I mean... if we're buying into the idea that The Old One is an allegory for a combination of Azathoth and Shub-Nigguroth, there is a possibility of who Patches could be. If Patches shows up in all universes and seems to delight in the deception and torment of humanity and the undead, he could be an allegory for Nyarlathotep. The most consistent depiction of this elder god is of a human, dressed in pharaoh's attire, and the other is a man made entirely of black, bald. If Patches references any elder being, it's probably the trickster god who likes to disguise himself as human.
@@soupsonton7348 Ehh the only thing they really have in common is being shapeshifters. Loki is chaotic neutral while Nyarlathotep is chaotic evil (heavy on the evil). I've heard him described as a mix between the Joker and Satan.
The age of dragons could be a point, I guess there`s a reason he left it out completely. And iirc, the age of fire brought mortality and dispelled the dark, not the fog. But that`s just my guess ;-)
If you attempt to escape the Dark souls universe by entering the Bloodborne universe, that's just..the _definition_ of going out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Lord Axcelus have you ever seen the cutscene of manus grabbing you? it seems more likely that he’s referring to the dark arm of the actual game he’s in, rather than the one in a game 3 years later
Yeah, as Snickers said, it's much more likely that he's referring to Manus, because he does the exactly the same thing to you and takes you to the same place as Chester.
while these good points notice that he says a strange land. if it was manus I feel like the land would still be somewhat familiar yet he refers to it has a strange land. he does this because he is used to seeing gothic architecture. also his cloaths and choice and weaponry are very unusual for the time.
The old hunters DLC does not take place in the past. It takes place in the Hunter's nightmare, this sort of.. dream realm.. We see multiple of those. In fact, all the Great ones in Bloodborne, live in some sort of dream, exept for Amygdalas. Mergo's wet Nurse and the brain if Mensis live in the Nightmare of Mensis, Kos and her Orphan live in the Hunter's nightmare, the Amygdala you can fight is in the Nightmare's frontier and Moon presence is in the Hunter's dream. (Not to forget Rom, Ebrietas and Celestial emissary are only kin.
Do you think there are like. Normal people in the Soulsborne universes? Like someone meets up with a friend and is all 'Hey Janice, how have you been?' and Janice goes 'Well my husband went hollow so now all he does is run around wearing tattered rags and screaming, but we're trying to make it work'
Well in the dark souls games you are playing during the end of the world, most people are dead, the population is sparse, and things aren't what they used to be. They could have a lark and release a game about medieval peasantry where you farm turnips and say its set just a bit before curse appeared in dark souls 1.
I know we are just having fun here but explain the "Everlasting Dragons". Wre they just left over from demons souls flying above the Fog and not need sustenance?? Only problem with that is couldnt you kill those dragons??
"I gonna paint a new world to escape the horrors of the Dark Souls universe." *paints bloodborne universe* "Wow, that really just made it worse didn't it?!"
@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 humanity came from the Dark Soul being split to pieces and the Dark Soul came from the first flame which isn't contradictory with this theory. (ooo look at me using fancy words like contradictory XD)
Azathoth actually resides outside of the universe. He is an Outer God who's dream is our universe. He is kept in his slumber by the flute to keep him from waking, thus ending the dream, our reality.
Another small point to note of, is that in the Gael boss fight, the first phase has Gael running around like a maniac on all fours, like an animal, or rather... a beast. He is physically bigger than we saw him before, and certainly more feral. And we know he's been consuming a lot of blood before we encounter him, who knows how much blood he has consumed over time. To me, it draws a parallel to Bloodborne and the Scourge of Beast - the Yharnamites turned to beasts, sort of like werewolves, after being treated with too much blood. not only that, but we know that the blood that Gael consumed belonged to the Pygmy Lords whi were an ancient race of beings, and can comfortably be described as Old Blood. As Master Willem famously said in Bloodborne, warning Lawrence from the Scourge of Beast before it even started to occur: "Fear the Old Blood" - the Old Blood which caused the Scourge in the first place. Just some food for thought - certainly some mental gymnastics that I did here :)
So the Old Blood is a reference to the blood that Gael had been consuming. The first blood to turn a human feral. Which is why it is feared because it takes away your humanity A Yharnamite may have gotten their hands on the same blood and took it with them to Yharnam in an attempt to save himself or another from death by way of a blood transfusion But of course, this blood was anything but helpful... Only Miyazaki knows
Here's my theory: The soulsborne series does share a timeline, but the games are split between two timelines, with Demon's souls acting as a spoke. There are two endings in Demon's souls. One, the one mentionned in this video, has the player delivering all the souls to the old one and covering the world in fog, and leading to the Dark Souls trilogy. The second, the "good" ending, has the player lulling the old one back to slumber. As part of the good ending, it's explicitly stated that the soul arts disappear. What comes in to take their place? The blood arts.
Once the soul art disappear, humanity would have nothing as the sorceries and miracles were based off the old one. Thus, humanity would be striving to survive and, as someone once said, "...Invention is born of necessity..." The technology of humanity would grow to the point of bloodborne (eventually) and the Blood arts would come with it. Reason for this, there was already proof of mystical arts with miracles and sorceries, yes they are gone, but what if they could recreate something similar? From what i saw it doesnt have too much of an impact on your character, and they are hard to find (relatively). This makes sense as humans cannot perfectly create something once devised with a being that breaks the limits of comprehension in mind. Any thing they create would be inferior and come with a price.
What if the "First Sin" wasn't Gwyn trying to rekindle the first flame, what if it was your character from Demon's Souls choosing the 'dark' ending and being consumed by The Old One. Aldia knew there was something beyond the cycle. "There is no path. Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of Dark...what could possibly await us? And yet, we seek it, insatiably..." -Aldia
I think it's more of an inevitability situation. Like entropy. When Souls are consumed, they're lost. Even if you choose the Good ending, the Old One will probably eventually wake up again and consume more Souls. The world will eventually fade.
Here's a fun fact. In DS3 (According to item descriptions) Aldritch has a dream about "an age of great seas" or something akin to that. A lot of these Cthulhu type beings have a strong connection to the seas. Is it possible that Aldritch was possibly dreaming about the Great Ones and the Bloodborne universe?
@@dragonlord1935 He softened into sludge due to consuming the flesh of man, specifically children. He consumed Gwendolin and gained his powers. It's possible that by eating so much of the Lord Souls and making them his own, Aldrich formed a connection with the Old One.
JakubPlatypus me too man. someone could be like “according to the item description of the clerics sacred flame, priscilla and midir have hot sex all the time forever and it’s super smutty and hot hell yeah. this is confirmed by the cut content i found while data mining that says “Keep going midir i love the way you’re consumed by the dark.” this proves the relationship between them” and id be like holy shit how could i have been so blind
The fact that “umbasa” was almost a phrase characters would utter in Bloodborne is so neat, that would have been a very cool tie to Demon’s Souls even if there’s no connection
No, he should make a sequel in the next year when elden ring is maybe out and add in sekiro and ER to make it bonkerser. The ‘Elden Ring’ is simply universal law so if its messed up, boom. Explaination for the ages!
I actually like to play through the series as a single timeline. Even the my character is the same person reincarnated each time due to her soul being permanently changed due to giving in to the Old One in Demon’s Souls. Only at the end of Bloodborne does she transcend this process by becoming a Great One.
You know what would be great? If in someway suggested by the next games the Bloodborne protagonist hunter turned larval great one after years and years in a future when he is old he is throw back eons in time far before Bloodborne and Dark Souls III becoming Demon's Souls Old One, they even have the same larval format.
Not only that, but the Drakebloods believed that dragon blood was the key to immortality. In Sekiro, dragon blood grants immortality. The plot thickens
I don't agree. In Sekiro the West is more probably China, hence why the fountainhead Dragon is so obviously Chinese in appearance... I think that in Japan at that time they would have called the European Dragons as Dragons that come from the East, since Europe is East from Japan so...
I feel like Bloodborne isn’t within the paintings. Someone (Aldrich?) has a vision of the world that comes after the fire dies: the age of the deep sea. The Hunter’s Nightmare is clearly stated to be underwater and the whole world is much more water oriented that the Dark Souls world. If nothing else, that line of prophecy is a Bloodborne reference.
This makes even more sense considering that the Hunter's Nightmare is essentially on a higher plane than Yharnam (you can see the spires of the city through the water in parts of the Fishing Hamlet), meaning that the entire "real" world of Bloodborne is technically underwater.
@@rampage75_25 he's referring to the character Aldrich in the Dark Souls games, who was able to have visions whilst sleeping, and gain things from them even, for instance the lifehunt ability that he gained from dreaming of Crossbreed Priscilla, who had the ability naturally. He gained this power despite not consuming her and only seeing her in his dream vision
Couldn't that imply that the entire Souls series cycle starts all over again, seeing as the Old one from Demon's Souls comes "from the ocean"? Bit of a stretch, though; since there's the entirety of Bloodborne and Sekiro (if Sekiro is canon at all) to consider between Aldrich's vision and the "renewed" Demon's Souls theorized timeline.
Depends on how you wanna look at it. Do to past statements from the director and legal reasons Bloodborne is more likely part of the Souls continuity than Demon’s Souls ever could be. Of course Blade Runner can’t be part of the Alien universe for similar reasons but Ridley Scott has tied them together unofficially.
I did just realize that when you die in a Dark souls you have to go back to your blood stains to get your souls back. It’s probably just a stretch but your souls could be connected to your blood
Bloodborne aka the latest in the timeline has Patches in his true form. Patches the spider. Kinda makes sense seeing as you only see him in the nightmare.
I mean... she wasn't exactly all there... more sane than her keepers, certainly, but fully sane...? And anywhere madness is, the old ones can seep their way in...
There is a heavy dose of European mythology in there too, from ancient Greece to Arthurian legend. Bloodborne obviously goes away from that in favor of a more cosmic horror/werewolf in london Victorian vibe, which is just great.
@@toobig7150 The Elder Gods (Not the Elder Things, The Old Ones, or The Outer Gods) are Lovecraft's "Human pantheon" who are meant to be our "keepers" or "babysitters". You can learn more about them in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. They are basically supposed to be amalgamations of all the old pagan gods humans worshiped after the fall of the Old Ones led to their religions becoming far less common among primitive humanity.
@@StarboyXL9 I have read all of lovecraft books, and as far as i remember that book (kadath and by rule also the silver key) are more about the whole lovecraft universe, yes, we get to know what the fuck the elder gods are, who the fight with and the like, but thats literally a background plot. Theres also the hint that human minds (dreams) of enough power can create a god himself (just like the protagonist kinds turns into at the end, when he gets both the silver key and the book/paper thing) The point of those gods, its that they do not care about us as a loving god, they care about us because, without us, they can not exist, or at least have a world with worshippers who give them power. Its like that saying of "if god exist, he dosnt care about ants like us"
"Its really dishonest to tell a story this way", rule #1 my friend, "NEVER let the truth get in the way of telling a good story". Thats why we have films, novels and canvassed art :)
I mean... the "official" story of the birth of the flame, how time and humanity didn't exist before the flame, etc simply seem untrue if you take the trilogy's lore as a whole. So treating the Way of White's creation myth as true is a dishonest way to tell the story.
I always thought that each game was trapped in their own cycles, doomed to never end. Demon's Souls: stuck putting the old one to back to sleep or becoming a replacement of him Dark Souls: Fire fades and regardless of what you do, will not allow itself to die out Bloodborne: The hunt begins and either escape from the hunt without ending it, or be trapped inside the hunt forever
@@Sqoun probably not considering most of his stories were analogy’s for his racist beliefs. He wouldn’t be cool with anyone but white people continuing his work, no matter how good it was. For some background, Love craft was a deeply mentally ill man, among other things he believed that black people were monsters wearing skin suits. He wasn’t your run of the mill racist, he was legitimately insane.
@@dirpyturtle69 he was an incredibly messed up and deranged weirdo but most of his work certainly wasn’t dedicated TO racism, he had separate disgusting writings about that stuff, but a lot of his cosmic horror was genuinely just shit he created out of his own insanity, also, regardless of how he was as a person, we can certainly appreciate work that has been inspired by him, just a shame he probably wouldn’t have himself
@@oelaty9116 I didn’t say it was dedicated to those beliefs, but rather that some of them were analogies. IMO his work is still completely readable by today’s standards because it’s barely noticeable even if you know what he meant with certain creatures and story’s. I’m not saying we shouldn’t read his books or anything, love craft is one of the few people in history that get a pass for being scumbags because it genuinely wasn’t his fault that he was like that. The only thing I meant by my comment was that he wouldn’t appreciate from soft being inspired by his works because they arnt a group of white guys.
@@dirpyturtle69 I will not disapprove all of his work just because he was a racist cunt. Yes, we know that he was racist. But that doesn't change the fact that his work was phenomenal when it comes to horror, gore & goth stuff! If we go back by everyone inner demons we wouldn't find a single human to fully admire.
During the watching of this video I was suddenly struck by the need to play some sort of souls RPG where the world isn't falling apart. I want to roam around Anor Londo at it's peak with the streets bustling with people, I want to see New Londo before it was flooded and all the people died, I want to see blight town before it became blight town.... please tell me I'm not the only one?
rowan knox langford that would be cool but i *think* , if i remember right, that blighttown was always blighttown, always a diseased shantytown inhabited by monstrosities so wretched that they were banished from the depths aka the sewer sistem inhabited by the creatures so disgusting that they were banished from lower undead burg aka the seedy suburb of the undead burg, home of petty thieves and cutthroats and wild diseased dogs. Basically my point is that blighttown isn't just the worst, but the worst of the worst of the worst. Though maybe i'm remembering wrong and blighttown was once not a fucking cancer mass someone drunkenly vomited on while being recorded at 10 fps most.
What if, rather than a linear time line, dark souls and bloodborne are separate branches, the results of the good and evil ending of demon souls. Give the old one all the souls, world gets destroyed and recreated in the fog (sorceries and miracles preserved), or deny the old one for a golden age (without magic) of humans to start... until more old ones come and start driving people mad. (Insight = souls magic?)
lowlize +dark souls does seem to keep the series on some chronological development of technology and the like. I could visualize the whole series spanning a millenia or more.
Ken Shurry You could be right,but Dark Souls poked at us tok many times with Bloodborne links.If you were right then Dark Souls also eventually leaded to Bloodborne.There are too many Blood worshiping things and concepts in DS series.
this idea of separation is what iv preferred to believe, that each choice has a different outcome, but does preserving magic for the dark souls universe make them unable to comprehend the power of blood? i don't think so, since the content of dark souls 2 and 3 shows the use of it. but what of bloodborne beside the residual echos of demon souls? and what vaati said about the armor in bloodborne, it could just as simply be from demon souls so that point can be interpreted differently. and can we assume that the eldrich form of the ending of bloodborne be the utmost evolutionary goal of life? since to survive they must keep evolving. if it is where does that leave dark souls? it could be they failed, it could be the concept of aldrich ascension was lost to them due to the old ones death. it could be more support for the theory that bloodborne share the same timeline so that everything ends with ascension like the universe intended but who knows. hoo nose.
Well don't forget, in all 5 of these games, Time itself is coming undone, and you can see past, present, and future, as well as potentially alternate timelines reflected in hazy illusions all around you. It's entirely possible that, especially with an increased presence of the great ones in BB, who seem to take the laws of time, space, and general causality as more suggestions than anything else, the borders between these two possibilities could blur. Given that the world of DS3 seems to have a far more solid grasp on the idea of the cyclical nature of the first flame and the nature of souls, they could be coming closer and closer to seeing through the constrictions of time and have hints, legends, and lore relating to worlds or timelines outside of their own. I'm curious about the nature of the dreams in BB vs. the painted worlds in DS. It's possible that they are one and the same, or at least similar in nature. It seems as though the Great Ones in BB are simply powerful enough to create the dreams that you visit throughout the game, but perhaps the painted worlds are sort of an improvised man-made method of accomplishing a similar task. I am not enough of a lore buff to know all the details, but it seems as though the painted worlds of DS are somewhat independent of their source; I.E. if the actual canvas they were painted on in the previous world was destroyed, the painted world would continue to exist, though it would begin to crumble over time. This could mean that, rather than BB being a painted world in DS, it would be the other way around. The Good ending of Demon Souls comes to pass, but as humanity gains insight into the nature of blood and souls and all that, they created a dream, just like the Great ones can create, and this dream was the world of Dark Souls, depicting a potential history where the evil ending of DeS came to pass. Because this painting will begin to decay over time, the cycle of the First Flame begins, and the dream is revitalized over and over, with humanity escaping into painted world after painted world, with only vague recollections of the one they left behind following each time. Remember, in DS2, Straid hails from a once-mighty civilization that is so far in the past that it rose and fell and is entirely forgotten at this point, and who knows how many other civilizations have risen and fallen in the interim? Perhaps Bloodborne is happening in actual reality, while Dark Souls is dreams within dreams within dreams. By the time DS3 occurs, after having spent so long in this cycle, they have come closer and closer to understanding the nature of the dreams they are in, catching glimpses of the world that spawned them millennia ago. It could even be that the very fact that humans created such painted worlds (something that only great ones should be able to do) is what causes so many Great Ones to be interested in humanity as of Bloodborne: After Demon Souls, humanity caught a glimpse of the Great Ones' immense power and dabbled in it to create a new world within a dream, thus attracting more and more great ones to come and meddle in humanity's affairs, which only serves to further blur the borders between dream and reality. holy crap, that spun off into an insane spitball theory that was forming in my head as I wrote it. I have no idea how tenable any of that is, but it was fun as hell to think about. My favorite part about the lore of these games is that there's so many interpretations, and any one of them could be just as possible as any other. It's like legos: you get a load of little pieces and you can configure them into whatever shape makes the most sense to you, then you and your friends can show each other all the cool little things you made and compare them to one another.
Franchiseboy83 It's not proving or disproving, it's simply gathering item descriptions that support, or contradict it. Nothing is confirmed by support, nothing is denied by contradiction.
I believe this theory 100%. Not because it's completely solid, but because there's no reason not to believe it. It's a fictional universe. Also, while there's no explicit evidence for or against this theory, there are references and connections between the games, but nothing that can "disprove" the theory. Sure, there are holes in the timeline, things we don't know, but that doesn't disprove anything.
Ben Thede Of course there are connections, the newer games draw inspiration from the previous. That doesn't mean they're connected though. Through that logic, you could say the games are sequels to lovecrafts writings.
It seems airtight because he knows that it isn't, which in turn affected the presentation of it. There are several points where the link is just "thing X is *kinda* like thing Y, so they must be the same thing," which even in the context SoulsBorne lore sources (i.e.- cryptic dialogue and fragmentary item descriptions) is a very weak argument. Then there's the structure of the argument. The case presented for a continuity between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls is solid- and plausible- which primes us to be more accepting of the weaker proposition connecting Bloodborne to Dark Souls.
Ford Mulligan Agreed. It makes just as much sense that there are infinite possibilities, and each of the three parts are side by side, with time being so distorted by the transgressions of various people in each universe that past events cross future times.
There's no direct evidence linking the painting in DS3 to Bloodborne. The only evidence I have seen of the painting's purpose is the in game dialog that the new world "will be dark". While Bloodborne can be considered dark, there are infinite possibilities that the newly painted world can take. I think people WANT to have a connection beyond "infinite possibilities", because having a nice little bow of a storyline is more orderly and fun than just having loose connections. Also... the datamined files AREN'T in the games, and were taken out. Original intent does not equal current result.
The Painter in Dark Souls 3 wants to paint a new painting (weird sentence). To do that she needs to see flame, not a normal flame, but rather the First Flame of sorts, that's why Ashen One is needed there, to kindle it. Besides fire, she need something to paint that new world with. Gael, whom she calls uncle, went on a search for the Dark Soul, because she needs "pigment colored like the dark soul of man". He found the pygmies who inherited the Dark Soul from the Furtive Pygmy. He tried to take their blood as pigment for the Painter. That hints to the fact that blood is a medium for souls.
You left out that the blood of the dark soul caused Gael to have a more beast like posture so wouldn't the blood of the dark souls be the old blood? Because the old blood turned man to beasts.
A nice mention, but he's more beast like because he's sort of at his wits end, not because he's been taking in blood. Plus, Gael is taking the blood of those who are no different from them aside from the fact that they have the dark soul. In Bloodborne, people become beasts because they had a transfusion with the blood of a supernatural being, believing it to be a miracle cure (which it was until you turned into a beast). You can classify Gael as a beastly human (meaning his actions are more monstrous but he's still human and has his reasons for doing them). Someone to compare him to is Father Gascoigne who actually becomes a beast in the middle of your boss fight with him and he just wants to tear you up.
I'm pretty sure the dark souls have an affect on Gael. He is becoming more powerful due to the souls he's consumed. All of the messages he leaves you around dreg heap, boss fight vs. Queen Elsa and Chair sama, he's a normal looking human/hollow. Time skip and you find him at world's end, after consuming who knows how many souls, and consuming the dark soul.
What if because of him taking so many souls, and the Dark Soul, when he is killed the curse is reborn because of him? Instead of an Old One making the curse, it was instead hubris, and all the gods have to do is sit back and watch. Those with the Old One's blessing also seem alien, not animalistic, which might even show the severance between the two.
ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ Yes there is. Just because you want a connection doesn't mean it exists. And I've seen your comments, and despite what you say there is tangible proof there is no connection.
ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ "What we we want to clear up is this is actually not a sequel to Demon's Souls - we're treating this as a brand new game created by the same director and producer," Miyazaki-san told CVG in an interview. "Again it is created by the same director and producer, so the base concept and themes are very similar. However, the story itself as well as a lot of the game features have been recreated so that we can present this as a brand new title." - Discussing Dark souls
I've had this in my watch later list for years. Finally finished Bloodborne for the first time last week. Glad to finally be able to watch this video with full context!
Never played Demons Souls but if it's anything like blighttown or the bit with the silver knights and their greatbows, i kinda understand butn ot fully
Paused when I, maybe, caught the first thing. Shub-Niggurath doesn't float, she walks on an odd number of legs; usually 5. The next thing I caught is that the Dragons aren't mentioned at all when transitioning from Demon to Dark. How would they have come in to existance and since they had their stone scales, making them immortal/undying/invulnerable, why would they have not been seen in Demon? The only way this part would make sense is if several millenia separated the two stories and the Dragons some how came in to existance from nothing.
the dragon’s aren’t very damning because assuming the dark soul’s universe starts with ds1 the dragon’s come out of nowhere anyway and with the huge timescales the events of these games take place over it’s completely conceivable that the eternal dragon’s somehow evolved and dominated the planet between demon souls and dark souls similar to the scale things have take place over after mass extinction events in our own world
@@felentelechy I wouldn't say the Dragons came out of no where. That would be a more accurate description of Nito, Izaleth, Gwyn and The Pygmy. The Dragons were around for centuries, millenia or even whole eons before man, god or beast roamed the land. Where the dragons came from isn't the point I was making though; just that you can not begin to try connecting the timelines involving Dark Souls without the dragons being included. They were and are too intwined in major events.
@VaatiVidya I can't help but feel as though they have always wanted to tie the worlds together from the beginning, but always decide to go another way. I mean it seems like a coincidence that Chester is from waaaay back when the dark souls dlc was released and seems to fit into Yharnams theme for clothing and weapons. But then he literally says that he was snatched by a shadowy limb and dragged into the past. Which is how you could describe being grabbed by a huge amygdala that you can't see, only to be taken into a nightmare that reflects what the past was. I freaking love how deep everything can be perceived to go, even if it isn't the real lore, I love conversing about this kind of thing!
So the dlc area is a nightmare. It would make sense since most of the mechanics are similar. If you imagine killing Manus and getting the nightmare slain text it would make sense.
The shadowy hand is the hand of Manus, the same hand that drags you to the past when you go near the distortion after killing the golem after getting the pendant. Also I believe Chester said he was from Carim, the same place Lautrec is from. Carim isn't present in Bloodborne's world so it would be a big stretch for him to be from bloodborne
The reason they look the same is because there was cut/unused content from dark souls which had the style of bloodborne and the devs clearly liked it to so spun it into a game of its own
I agree, Blade. Unfortunately, it's legal matters that cause this disconnect. Dark Souls can't be officially tied to Demon's Souls or Bloodborne as Sony hold the rights to those games and won't allow it to happen. I believe Miyazaki had these ideas in his head when he originally made DeS and moved on to make DaS but sadly we'll never get to see the full extent of that vision :(
Blade Roberson I think an often undermined sentiment could be that after the Old One cursed the world, a long period of time passed and with it, so did the Old One and going through a process I would relate to that of the giants of Dark Souls II, wherein as they reach their oldest age, they plant themselves into the ground and become trees. I think the Old One became an archtree and from him, many more grew, creating a split into different worlds. (ie, the world of our character, Solaire, and so on)
I have played all the souls/borne/sekiro games now, but I weirdly started off on Dark Souls 2. Then I played Bloodborne, and then Sekiro. One thing I thought was interesting (probably already said by loads of people) was the 'Aged Feather' from Dark Souls 2 which allows you to travel back to your last bonfire, or travel through time and space in a way. Well in Sekiro, you get a prosthetic tool upgrade called the 'Aged Feather Mist Raven', and with this tool, it allows you to also travel through time and space, just in a much shorter distance. What is also interesting is how Sekiros story revolves often around dragons. We learn of the Divine Dragon of the Everblossom and that it came to Ashina from the West long ago and took root there. In Dark Souls 2 the Aged Feather is given to you by the Emerald Herald when you enter Dragon Aerie. The area with a shit tonne of dragons. Is this Aged Feather much more potent from the land it comes from, the Dragon Aerie, but in Sekiro, it is just a touch of it from the west, and so less effective. There is a child, Kuro, The Divine Heir, who possesses the power of the Dragons Heritage, and it is his blood, and this Dragon Heritage that people are after. "Kuro was raised in seclusion" and is a "descendant of an ancient bloodline", and much like with Bloodborne's injection of blood vials, his blood heals, and makes you stronger - it can even resurrect. Now here is the piece of info, that first made me consider any of this. In the Item description for the Aged Feather in Dark Souls 2, it says this: "The child of the dragon, sequestered away from the world, imagined a world of boundless possibilities from the mere sight of a feather."
Also while we dont see it in bloodborne the painter girl has scales and could much like Priscilla be of 'dragon blood/heritage' dont know if this means Jack but yk
With the Abyss Watchers using the gesture before the fight, UT almost feels like it's a tiny piece of Artorias bowing to you and thanking you fir everything you did for him and Sif in Dark Souls 1.
Azathoth is called the Blind Idiot God because it is thought that our entire existence is a dream of Azathoth's - He doesn't even realise that we exist and the musical piping is there to keep him asleep and us alive - when he wakes up, we don't. It's not that he lacks intelligence, its that he lacks an intelligence that we can comprehend. Do you think an ant could fathom why we do certain things? We are less than ants to Azathoth. I'd recommend reading the short story Lovecraft wrote for any that haven't, it's a good read
From what I understand it isn't just the dream of a god, its the dream of the creator of the lore. The other interpretation I have seen is that the god is us, as the person playing the game, but not the player character
One really neat thing that I feel like connects Bloodborne and Dark Souls is the unused dialogue from Gehrman about the final battle. "Laurence, the end is not far away, now. Every last dream will burn out, and Flora will return from the moon. As for us, the time has come to honour our vows. Hunters are needed no longer You and I shall fight to the death, and she will consume the victor. The way we've always said we'd end it, you recall. Oh, Laurence. Of course you remember." So, at the beginning very beginning, Gehrman and Laurence made vows to, at the last night, fight to the death inside the Hunter's Dream, and the winner, proven to be the strongest and the one who would take the blood of the one who lost, would be consumed by Flora, The Moon Presence. In part, this looks like the ending of all Souls games, where you acquire all the power within the world and deliver it to the Old One or the First Flame, but in this case there are two things that make it a bit more interesting: first, is the fact that now it isn't souls, but blood, and that they are meant to be consumed, and secondly, the ending of the Ringed City, the last entry on Dark Souls 3 and Dark Souls as a whole. In the Ringed City DLC, at the end of the world itself, you and Gael are the last suvivors, both warriors who traveled a long time collecting souls, and now you both fight each other, and the edge of existence, and winner takes the blood of the Dark Soul and bring it to the Painter. They couldn't make it a bigger parallel here. The vows of the Hunters was meant to symbolize the event that lead to the creation of their very world: the greatest hunters, at the very end of the last night, would fight each other, using all the power at their disposal, and the winner would surrender that blood to the Moon Presence - maybe to create a new world, or simply to re enact the passage of the blood of the dark soul to the Painter. Of course, that was removed so this whole thing isn't cannon, but it does make me believe that the initial idea for Bloodborne was to be the game to tie up Demon Souls, Dark Souls and give a true end to the whole Soulsborne (multi)universe. But either they felt they couldn't fill all the plot holes, or simply production took a turn at some point and they decided to prioritize Bloodborne being it's own thing, and so it was scrapped and all that is left for us are the few remaining connections lingering.
if bloodborne was supposed to give a true end to soulsborne, why are all the bloodborne endings very open? Yharnam Sunrise: The main character survives, no one knows what happened to Yharnam or the rest of the world Honouring Wishes: The main character becomes Gherman, implying that the hunt will happen again and again forever Childhood Beginnings: wtf is even going on? Did the main character become a great one/moon presence itself? still implying that it is all a loop Although Yharnam sunrise could be an end, its still a stretch. It all seems like it could become a sequel/spinoff later on if fromsoft feels like doing so
@@deg1studios the whole souls borne universe ended dont care about being solid. What makes this series so great is that it's always a cliff hanger. Its left to us to piece it together. The game isnt really about us the character, it's more about the world we live and fight in. It's more about everything going on around us.
9:23 Wait. “Shadowy limb”, “Dragged to the past”, “strangers in a strange land”... did this guy time travelled to the past? Is this guy a yharnam inahabitant that was literally dragged to the past by a great one? Great ones are shadowy until you have enough insight, he has a set quite awkward for the world he is in, bleeding effect dagger like most BB trick weapons... i guess we have a theory here!
"Shadowy limb" probably means Manus' arm, "dragged to the past" I think refers to Oolacile itself, "strangers in a strange land" does as well in my opinion!
@@DrNemirovsky You do vaguely see a shadowy version of Amygdala's arm just before you die\vanish if you dont have insight. It actually would fit just as easily.
I do appreciate how up front and modest you are about this being a stretch. I'm sure they just share recurring themes/concepts, but this is a fun theory.
I literally have the article that inspires this publicly in the first 3 lines of the description, and write "Source: article" in the video itself whenever i'm pulling directly from a point it makes. The rest is overlap I decided to include myself. You see only what you want to see.
great thing about the souls games is they're as liquid as the souls within, the story allows for bending, i like to believe the games share connections in a different order, bloodborne being first, a newly born great one growing into the last known great one (old one) with dark souls being the after math later, i'm sure this isnt the case, but i like that idea, and with "time being convoluted" in the majority of the world in these games its sorta possible for an event to overlap several others if your willing to argue hard enough. when it comes down to it i'm pretty sure the only actual connections are a combo of 1-coincidence, 2-intended refrences and nods to other games, 3-from software printed on the box
I’ve actually heard a theory along those lines only it involves branching paths from demon’s souls endings. So evil ending: world is shrouded by fog and Millenia later the world of Dark Souls begins, just like you said. But in the other ending, the maiden in black sacrifices herself to put the old one back to sleep. In that ending the fog fades, the demons and monsters and magical beings die out and the world moves on in a peaceful and relatively normal world. But millennia later, a world that has developed without magic or monsters starts finding these remnants of great old ones in ancient tombs, and Yharnam is founded. The way these parallel worlds intersect is Dark Souls II. Your character has the undead curse and falls down some sort of time space portal into the long forgotten world of Drangleic. That I justify because it’s the same thing that happened to Marvelous Chester in Dark Souls. There’s your connection.
That's a great theory, my good man. I've been theorizing about the concept of time in the soulsborne series, and of couse they all are stretches, but they're interesting. So we start as always in Demon's, and the true canon is the dark path. Then, the DS1. There things start to diverge. I think there were some confirmation to Drangleic and Lordran/Lothric being the opposide sides of one world, or rather continent, as I don't think there would be free trade in a world that spans like hundred years, or some. So if the fire ending of DS1 is true, we get a prospering, but a short lived age of Fire, which brings us to DS3. The fire has almost extinguished, as it burned for too long, and the attempts to rekindle it only led to disasters, as seen in Gundyr's timeline. So after the DS3, there would be the exodus of mankind to the Painted world, or, another, more lengthy than before, age of darkness, returning back to DS1, possibly, as its obvious that the lord of the dead is competent enough to return to Lordran, and I think not physically, but by reversing time. And yet, there's the part when DS1 gets the darkness ending. Fire snuffs out, but it rekindles itself after some years, and Drangleic is formed instead. DS2 begins, being parallel to DS3 and slightly different. See, in the base world of Demon souls, the corruption of human species is not clear, but we can elaborate on the Hollowing that it is due to the long Era of darkness. Then, an attempt to reverse the hollowing is made, which gives us the Cinder. I think we can all agree that the Cinder is the midway of being human or god-like. Because of the prolonged Fire Era, this was made possible, at the cost of the lifespan of the worls itself. While the Curse, on the contrary, is being half-hollow and half-human. So instead of overdoing themselves, the human species have tried to at least be somewhat alive. So, to sum everything up, the timeline has to always have a bad ending for the Fire, as both in Bloodborne in DS2, there are less godliness and being all-powerful, than in the DS1 and 3. And yes, I think that after the DS2, the world around Drangleic would still die, but at a lesser extent. And the thing is, the biggest stretch of my theory is the Bloodborne tie-ins. So I believe that Yharnan is the descendant of Drangleic, but is connected to Lothric. Remember when I said being the opposite? Yeah, the painted world. Soooo, that's probably it. I think that this all is just me babbling, but a theory is a theory.
Vaati, I love your videos man, you really helped me get into the game in way I don’t think I could have before. It makes playing it that much more immersive and I gotta give it all to you my man
The moonlight Greatsword would be one of the things that disprove this theory, I think. It exists and is present in Demon's Souls. But then it is CREATED in Dark Souls when the player cuts it off from the tail of Seath. That said, I do really like this theory, and headcanon it when I play through the games.
@@davidpower5710 True. It also never really explains how Seath links himself to the crystal, so maybe you could say that taking the sword into himself using magic is how he did that, and you cut it out of him.
@@TwitchLawliet I'm reaching here but who is to say its directly from Seath but just a dragon creation. the description says "his sword, one of the rare dragon weapons..." So this could be just Seaths version, as the Moonlight Greatsword in Demon's Souls says its "The legendary large sword that reflects moonlight. Widely known in association with Moonlight Knight Bito. It's one of the few Revelations from God. The blue crystal blade is composed only of light, so it's impossible to block with a shield." I believe this was created by the Dragon god because its unblockable and unlike Seaths it doesn't degrade super fast. In Bloodborne Ludwig discovers it. Even when Ludwig is a beast, the sword helps him back to keep his ...humanity.
Over the span of several centuries, across potentially multiple timelines and dimensions that make up the Soulsborne universe, whether you were a slayer of demons, men, beasts or gods, there is one constant: Patches kicking you into an effing ditch.
Might be worth re-evaluating this idea. Elden Ring makes an interesting connective tissue to describe 3 potential spin off universes with Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Bloodbourne
I can see that working. In Elden Ring, the setting is literally called The Lands Between. Why? The Lands Between could be a continent between other continents with societies and cultures either identical or the actual settings Sekiro, Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne. It can also mean a world that is between other worlds of the forementioned games in a nexus web of sorts.
Just like you stated in the description, you forgot to mention Aldritch and his dream of the coming "Age of Deep Sea", a way too obvious nod to Bloodborne. There's also Ringfinger Leonard, with his Bloodborne-esque looking attire and Crescent Moon Sword, a weapon linked with the moon and we all know the deep symbolism the moon has in BB. And most importantly, these lines of dialogue from him: "No one will despoil her soul. Certainly no *beast* wrapped in human skin!" "What do you want with her soul? Isn't flesh enough for a *sick beast* ?!" Speaking of Rosaria's soul, her soul is quite unique from all the rest. A unique red color palette, might be a connection to blood, and one could argue the her abilities of rebirth, that can turn a human into a monstrous man-grub, are closely related to the transformation into a beast of BB (but that's kinda pushing it).
Here's something interesting: The Iron Yahar'gul Helm DEEPLY resembles Havel's Helm from Dark Souls, and the description reads "Iron helmet worn by hunters of the Unseen Village. Removing the hood reveals something reminiscent of a warrior of a previous age. This headwear is made of metal, a rarity for hunter garb, and has high defense, but only against physical attacks." Coincidence???
Been a few years ago since this video was made, but have you ever noticed the giant Forrests you can find in dark souls' ash lake, the giant trees in Bloodborne's hunters dream, and the fact that elden ring also has massive trees? I think Myazaki's head cannon is that all his games are connected and he is trying to give us hints about it.
@@daboy8107the erd tree is on lothric chest piece and demon souls - elden ring are all about one family line of royals, allant, gwyn, lothric, godrick, are all a very clear and distinctly written family tree… People always say bloodborne is in the painted world even though it was painted in the subsequent game inside of a painted world dlc which was a sequel to a painted world dlc…. haven’t even beaten every bloodborne boss so maybe cainhurst castle is the same kind of thing because the guy on the frosty roof top has the same move set and weapon you fight in both the painted worlds… it’s not trees it’s open fields of jack and the beanstalk sized trees that appear in every game… only reason elden ring wasn’t called Demon Souls VI is because of sony… it’s the same writer being pushed to write the same series over and over again of the same plot why on earth would they be separate worlds in the writers head that’s the dumbest thing anyones ever thought… also just throwing this out there a big core of the demon souls mythos is that sorceries and blessings used to be commonplace and studied by many and not so much nowadays and in elden ring the aesthetic design is based on even older historical fantasy settings and has ELDEN in the name and is largely about the beginning of the studying of blessings and sorceries…. plus they’re all the same game on the same engine some people just want to have no imagination i swear, this was all very clear the second any bloodborne fan played dark souls 3 in 2016
I think if we use Occam's Razor, Miyazaki just has some tropes he really likes and reuses. He's basically been making variations on the same game for 20 years, and he tells almost the same story every time. He loves Lord of the Rings, and its dying/fading world, with the story taking part long after the golden age of the world. Its highly unlikely that he has some deep, secret master plan linking all of these plots on purpose (or at least didn't, but perhaps has seen the fan theories and decided he enjoys them).
@@tinchosabala Bloodborne looks pretty much like I envision an Age of Dark to look, it even has the ascension of Mankind that Gwyn feared so much. Though given how the Great Ones look, I can't blame him for being afraid.
Probably Vaatividya won't see this, but here goes. I noticed that Ludwig and Oceiros are very similar, in a few ways: - At the beginning of Ludwig's fight he's a crazed beast who has lost his mind, and walks on multiple legs, and at the second phase he sees his moonlight sword and retains his humanity as you once described it, and stands upright like a normal person, Oceiros on the other hand is the complete opposite, he starts almost sane and standing upright, but in the second phase loses his mind, he and behaves very similarly to Ludwig's first phase. - The other thing I noticed was how they're both linked to the Moonlight Greatsword, Ludwig uses that weapon, whilst in Dark Souls 3 you can get the weapon using Oceiros's Soul, so in order to get the moonlight sword you have to kill these 2 similar characters. - And last but not least, they are both high ranking people if that makes sense, Ludwig is the chief hunter of the healing church, and Oceiros is the king of Lothric. I'm sure you can find more similarities but these are the ones I noticed. Edit: I even read on reddit that Oceiros uses recycled screeches that are identical to Ludwig's.
@@gibraltar2843 they for some reason made ds3 60% bloodborne both graphically and gameplay wise, resulting in a weird game with fast enemies of bloodborne but with shields and very greyish bland look
Elden Ring imo feels like it takes place outside of time in general for some reason, it's a big island in the middle of nowhere with vague timelines. It would be interesting to see where it might fit, if it does Sekiro being in a feudal ish Japan, would be in between DS3 and Bloodborne if an eventual Feudal and Victorian age is ever achieved, since Dark Souls has thousands of years pass and still stuck in the medieval Europe era
The urd tree is the new firelink, maybe the ashen one of DS3 made the new world we play in. (A world where people recognize forces greater than that of the gods)
see, souls are used by maidens to strengthen hollows... Runes are used by maidens to strengthen Tarnished... perhaps it's a retelling of the same story from a different point of view?
imean Melina refers to us as a traveller beyond the "fog" so im guessing when the lords tried to dispell the fog created by the old one, they didn't actually manage to get all of it out. or maybe the timeline of ER is much closer to demon's souls as it is in dark souls.
Patches is a spider in bloodborne, worships an amygdala and tries to sacrifice you. I argue hes reincarnated or something. Technically in all games though o.o
Patches is actually in all 5 games: Patches in Demon's Souls, Trusty Patches in DS1, Pate in DS2, Unbreakable Patches in DS3, and Patches the Spider in Bloodborne.
I think it was a mistake that the games weren't connected through narrative, but I just love the idea of _each_ Souls/Bourne game being a sequel that only the hardcore knows about. I bet some of the devs thought about it too, otherwise this theory wouldn't sound so deceitfully plausible.
And I don't think Vaati's choice of words in 'Dishonest' is really accurate to the idea here. At the very least, as art, it's undeniable that they are connected. That we don't have a definable and indisputable fact from anyone doesn't make this less true, necessarily.
The moonlight greatsword is a great example of how to connect the series, it has been guiding a certain player in their quest since back in demon souls some examples are seath, benhart of jugo, ocerios the consumed king and ludwig in bloodborne.
kings field even had two dragon gods, the black dragon guyra, and and the white dragon seath. im not too familiar with the lore of shadow tower but the lack of music and lovecraftian, pitch black world feels very familiar in the modern age.
VaatiVidya, you're the pinnacle of Soulsborne storytelling!! Been a fan since the very first Prepare to Cry and LOVED every video since. Hope all is well, much Love and..... "Don't you dare go Hollow!"
1:13 this is kinda what makes these games so superior to AAA games in 2019. It doesn't matter if you're right, it's more that no one has answers but we are all curious. It's a fantasy world. Anything MIGHT be true and if it's entertaining for consumers, why CAN'T it be true? Idk I just think idle speculation is precisely why I think From Software nailed the art of storytelling without "telling" the story. The mystery is the value.
I wouldn't group every AAA game but otherwise I do agree, the debate between pate and Creighton in ds2 alone makes you wonder if your siding with a murderer or an even crazier murderer Like this: pate gives you a copy of his gear, just to get Creighton to think your him, but what if pate was the murderur the map guy warns you about, and pawned off his set to Creighton to trick people who knew him? it starts a rabbit hole of paranoia that just keeps on going gives me conniptions...
I don't think there was ever the intention to make the games directly related, however I think having these loose hints was not an accident, and while the direct connections may or may not be there, I don't think it necessarily matters as the themes that they are trying to push still have the same meaning.
Did you forget about Aldrich's vision of an Age of Deep Sea? It seems like that links the world of DS and Bloodborne even further as he probably saw that layer of nightmare with the fishing village where we find Kos' body close to a "bottomless sea".
I really can't explain it in my own words lol. Just check out the Bloodborne DLC video about "Mother Kos' Wrath" from the channel. I'd also like to point out that Saint Aldrich kinda looks like a Great One when we encounter him in DS3.
yes but if artists wish to stay ahead of the curve they have to learn new art styles and techniques, so to say that is pretty invalid, in art they teach you many different styles some of which you will tend to favor. like for example for a gamer, we like certian games and tend to stick to those games, for me i dislike sports games, i like shooters so its obvious which im going to stick to and avoid, but for an avid change of pace, ill move to a racing game. artists will avoid styles they dislike, stick to what they like and use something different they prefer to give their audiences something different. so in this case of the bloodbourne, souls games etc. its possible very possible even that theres a past, present and then future, dark souls being the more present, bloodbourne the future, and so on so forth. in the case that chester was brought up in the dark souls DLC lets face it have you seen another character not adorned in some sort of armor? who wears coats and cloth of plain clothing, sure the robes of priests are plain but theyre inbued with a sort of power. and in chesters case also his weaponry is curious to, my point being is hes not from around there lol not in the least. and being swept to the past by a powerful being whos to say chester was from bloodbourne (darksouls future futrue) and dragged back to the world of darksouls? theres no evidence suggesting its not possible? but there is some that it is.
Very true, i thought about that too. But i want to point out that is not necessarily true either. If we consider the collection of all the possible states of a souls' universe, since we do not know the physics of a world in which magic is prominent and in general has fantasy setting, nothing prevents the set of states in which most souls are gatherend into one being to be bigger then the set of states in which the souls are split almost equally between every creature. I know it sounds crazy, but one could consider evidence the fact that lords of cinder gathered souls to burn them and link the fire over and over and then deduce that the natural world tendency is toward a state in which one being detains all the souls. Personally i think that collecting souls is not a natural tendency, since it requires work and actually stores a lot of energy, which strenghten the character and can later be combusted to link the fire. Altough in ds3 we face the truth that this process is not providing that much energy anymore, meaning that the whole universe has shifted to an higher entropy state.
Depends how you interpret entropy. To me the homogenous soup of base that the universe is heading towards is the ultimate state of order, whereas chaos is what we have right now with the random mixtures of particles that make up matter. In a perfect entropy state where everything is in perfect balance and nothing happens, size and distance lose their meaning so you could argue that in the world of soulsborne, one being concentrating all of the souls in the universe is actually the ultimate entropy. But hey, I might be completely wrong
I just came back to this and it's so amazing how well everything fits together, and if you look at release dates it seems as if it was all planned from the beginning.
Honestly, it makes enough sense that the stories link given the nature of them and the themes. But, I see some mentions of the "Moonlight" sword. That's a From Software signature of sorts. The Armored Core games have a laser blade weapon that can also fire a blade beam, which is called "Moonlight" in some form. So that one might have to be discarded, unless you wanna make the stretch that Armored Core is also linked. Hahah.
Armored Core is the future of the Bloodborne timeline after humanity has moved beyond gods and dragons. There are actually "magical" elements in the Armored Core series that characters can't explain, including strange energies and mechs with power beyond physical limitation. So if Armored Core is canonically sci-fi, with unexplained magical phenomenon, there's no reason to believe it can't fit into a future narrative. And now AC6 is confirmed as the follow up to Elden Ring... being spearheaded by Miyazaki.
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Vaati: while I don't recommend you buy into this Theo...
Me: I'm buying into this theory
Exactly
same
Yep
Me too, where's King's Field tho?!
Puttenutt
It does make sense and I bet you could perfectly explain everything
So what I'm hearing is, Patches is an Eldritch being.
I mean... if we're buying into the idea that The Old One is an allegory for a combination of Azathoth and Shub-Nigguroth, there is a possibility of who Patches could be. If Patches shows up in all universes and seems to delight in the deception and torment of humanity and the undead, he could be an allegory for Nyarlathotep. The most consistent depiction of this elder god is of a human, dressed in pharaoh's attire, and the other is a man made entirely of black, bald. If Patches references any elder being, it's probably the trickster god who likes to disguise himself as human.
@@Flevir so basically if loki took someones skin and was a lovecraft thing.(this being the watered down version of what you said)
@@soupsonton7348 Ehh the only thing they really have in common is being shapeshifters. Loki is chaotic neutral while Nyarlathotep is chaotic evil (heavy on the evil). I've heard him described as a mix between the Joker and Satan.
Patches of Eldritch.
You're damn right.
Vaati: earth is flat.
Me: yes, i see now that it is.
It’s all in the lore baby
The flattest lore.
Interesting... 🤔
Vaati: I just said that to show how easy it is to cherry pi-
Me: yes, the earth is definitely flat
Vaati: you do not exist
Us fading from reality: “your point is Val-”
I love how he really wanted people to rip this apart but it's such a good narrative that no one seems to want to from what I can see
Ya, plus the evidence he uses is actually pretty damming
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People actually keep finding even more evidence, making it worse for his clear intentions lol
@Isaac Allcott that's what I want to know. I'm not a lore scholar so it makes logical sense to me
I also wanna know what he found that made him question the idea of a shared timeline.
The age of dragons could be a point, I guess there`s a reason he left it out completely. And iirc, the age of fire brought mortality and dispelled the dark, not the fog. But that`s just my guess ;-)
“An entity with the goal of grooming a child”
Holy s**t that weird middle aged dude that met me in the park was from Demons Souls!!!
*BOSS MUSIC AS YOU WALK INTO THE PARK*
You should probably stay away from that park from now on.
Onision is a Demons Souls bossfight.
*hol up*
Oh, you mean Mike "The Old One" Dickens? Yeah... He usually just falls asleep after you sing "Paradise City" to him.
If you attempt to escape the Dark souls universe by entering the Bloodborne universe, that's just..the _definition_ of going out of the frying pan and into the fire.
seriously
Tru
“Those hollow asses try to escape our luncheon, eh? Kos, Ebritas, let’s show em a thing or three!”
@@goroakechi6126kos is dead af. Her orphan is what I'm scared of.
i mean it all went well until it didnt and the blood was found
Vaati: "for the record, I'm wrong"
Everyone:"no no, you made a good point"
Bro, like, same
"Sekiro is the key to all of this"
-George "Miyazaki" Lucas
That boy's name?
Was barack obama.
- Michael Zacky
Plenty of samurai-like items in Dark Souls mentioned an eastern land but I don’t think it’s ever named
Look into it
Sekiro is gonna link Tenchu and Soulsborne together.
I really wanna see how Sekiro will do the Moonlight Weebsword!
Im going to get a. Masters degree in souls lore by the end of quarantine if it kills me
I feel ya there, been watching videos like these nonstop 😂
Same.
It just may 😬
Oh,the curse ring...
How's it coming along
are we going to ignore that the guy said he was grabbed by a dark arm and sent back in time which is how the dlc old hunters started
Lord Axcelus have you ever seen the cutscene of manus grabbing you? it seems more likely that he’s referring to the dark arm of the actual game he’s in, rather than the one in a game 3 years later
Yeah, as Snickers said, it's much more likely that he's referring to Manus, because he does the exactly the same thing to you and takes you to the same place as Chester.
while these good points notice that he says a strange land. if it was manus I feel like the land would still be somewhat familiar yet he refers to it has a strange land. he does this because he is used to seeing gothic architecture. also his cloaths and choice and weaponry are very unusual for the time.
Holy shit youre right
The old hunters DLC does not take place in the past. It takes place in the Hunter's nightmare, this sort of.. dream realm.. We see multiple of those. In fact, all the Great ones in Bloodborne, live in some sort of dream, exept for Amygdalas. Mergo's wet Nurse and the brain if Mensis live in the Nightmare of Mensis, Kos and her Orphan live in the Hunter's nightmare, the Amygdala you can fight is in the Nightmare's frontier and Moon presence is in the Hunter's dream. (Not to forget Rom, Ebrietas and Celestial emissary are only kin.
Miyazaki took Umbassa out of Bloodborne becuase he was afraid we'd get too close to the truth!! SPREAD THE WORD
The Eldritch Truth.
We've been betrayed, we've been backstabbed and we've been very possibly *bamboozled*
@A candle in a bucket Think again
We’ve been shmekledorfed!
@@SETTHETONE27 that’s not even a word and I agree with ya
Do you think there are like. Normal people in the Soulsborne universes? Like someone meets up with a friend and is all 'Hey Janice, how have you been?' and Janice goes 'Well my husband went hollow so now all he does is run around wearing tattered rags and screaming, but we're trying to make it work'
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Well in the dark souls games you are playing during the end of the world, most people are dead, the population is sparse, and things aren't what they used to be.
They could have a lark and release a game about medieval peasantry where you farm turnips and say its set just a bit before curse appeared in dark souls 1.
Elijah De Pino yeah, I've always been curious how these cultures and societies operated before everything went to shit
"Poor Jimbo got caught with the sickness." "So I must keep him in a pen" than the man's child grows to destroy the pen and everyone in the villiage
Vaati: "this theory makes no sense"
1.7 million people: "this theory makes perfect sense."
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I know we are just having fun here but explain the "Everlasting Dragons".
Wre they just left over from demons souls flying above the Fog and not need sustenance??
Only problem with that is couldnt you kill those dragons??
@@333rd4 immortality is different than invincibility
@@Adventure3Man fair enough point bud.
"I gonna paint a new world to escape the horrors of the Dark Souls universe."
*paints bloodborne universe*
"Wow, that really just made it worse didn't it?!"
Lol
it probably wasn't so bad at the start, humans usually ruin things after a while xD
“ I’m going to paint a nice peaceful world” Jumps through the painting, cut to the little painter running and screaming from a werewolf
Dark souls
UPGRADE
Bloodborne
FUCK GO BACK
Dark souls 3
How dark souls 3 was developed
This land is peaceful. Its inhabitants kind.
Vaati: "Rip apart this in the comments"
Comments: I dunno fam, dudes making sense to me
He doesn't talk about humanity in the DS1 part, an essential part of dark souls.
@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 Its just split fragments of the Dark Soul created by lots of souls in the old one I guess?
@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 humanity are just a bunch of tiny shards created from the dark soul
@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 humanity came from the Dark Soul being split to pieces and the Dark Soul came from the first flame which isn't contradictory with this theory. (ooo look at me using fancy words like contradictory XD)
@@lukasruston8618 I believe this now, only for the fancy word
Azathoth actually resides outside of the universe. He is an Outer God who's dream is our universe. He is kept in his slumber by the flute to keep him from waking, thus ending the dream, our reality.
When I first heard of azathoth it blew my mind. What if it’s not just fiction?
Lol
@@josepartida1711 that dude needs to play some sick ass tune all the time to keep the bitch asleep.
El Mejor “sick ass tune” lmao
so it's just like the The Elder Scrolls universe, with some people discovering that secret.... completely vanishing
I see where the inspiration for bloodborne's theme comes from
I feel like Vaati could make me buy a vaccuum cleaner in the desert
He could make me pay for the air I’m currently breathing D:
Dude really should go into marketing.
Why not? You can vaccuum all the sand in the dessert. It'd be a way of having fun, you know?
Grinding for exp irl. ;D
A fridge in Antarctica
Vaati: "this theory makes no sense"
Miyazaki: "this theory makes perfect sense"
Copied comment much?
@@gims6513 "boo hoo someone copied someone else's comment on the internet" grow up
@@leonardo9259 "boo hoo someone responded to someone else's comment on the internet" grow up
@@milofitness7726 boohoo my pancakes are ruined
@@C-MENP3N15 boohoo my headphone cable is all tangled up
Another small point to note of, is that in the Gael boss fight, the first phase has Gael running around like a maniac on all fours, like an animal, or rather... a beast. He is physically bigger than we saw him before, and certainly more feral. And we know he's been consuming a lot of blood before we encounter him, who knows how much blood he has consumed over time. To me, it draws a parallel to Bloodborne and the Scourge of Beast - the Yharnamites turned to beasts, sort of like werewolves, after being treated with too much blood. not only that, but we know that the blood that Gael consumed belonged to the Pygmy Lords whi were an ancient race of beings, and can comfortably be described as Old Blood. As Master Willem famously said in Bloodborne, warning Lawrence from the Scourge of Beast before it even started to occur: "Fear the Old Blood" - the Old Blood which caused the Scourge in the first place.
Just some food for thought - certainly some mental gymnastics that I did here :)
So the Old Blood is a reference to the blood that Gael had been consuming. The first blood to turn a human feral. Which is why it is feared because it takes away your humanity
A Yharnamite may have gotten their hands on the same blood and took it with them to Yharnam in an attempt to save himself or another from death by way of a blood transfusion
But of course, this blood was anything but helpful...
Only Miyazaki knows
@@DrDolan2000 So old blood = blood of the dark soul and Pale blood = blood free of the taint of the dark soul?
@@kris3937 Sounds about right
Here's my theory: The soulsborne series does share a timeline, but the games are split between two timelines, with Demon's souls acting as a spoke. There are two endings in Demon's souls. One, the one mentionned in this video, has the player delivering all the souls to the old one and covering the world in fog, and leading to the Dark Souls trilogy. The second, the "good" ending, has the player lulling the old one back to slumber. As part of the good ending, it's explicitly stated that the soul arts disappear. What comes in to take their place? The blood arts.
This is actually very good
Very good!
I think that's too huge of a leap and would need a lot more evidence before assuming
Once the soul art disappear, humanity would have nothing as the sorceries and miracles were based off the old one. Thus, humanity would be striving to survive and, as someone once said, "...Invention is born of necessity..." The technology of humanity would grow to the point of bloodborne (eventually) and the Blood arts would come with it. Reason for this, there was already proof of mystical arts with miracles and sorceries, yes they are gone, but what if they could recreate something similar? From what i saw it doesnt have too much of an impact on your character, and they are hard to find (relatively). This makes sense as humans cannot perfectly create something once devised with a being that breaks the limits of comprehension in mind. Any thing they create would be inferior and come with a price.
Bloodborne occurring would have a logical progression of time and human invention involved
What if the "First Sin" wasn't Gwyn trying to rekindle the first flame, what if it was your character from Demon's Souls choosing the 'dark' ending and being consumed by The Old One.
Aldia knew there was something beyond the cycle.
"There is no path. Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of Dark...what could possibly await us? And yet, we seek it, insatiably..." -Aldia
I think it's more of an inevitability situation. Like entropy. When Souls are consumed, they're lost. Even if you choose the Good ending, the Old One will probably eventually wake up again and consume more Souls. The world will eventually fade.
Here's a fun fact. In DS3 (According to item descriptions) Aldritch has a dream about "an age of great seas" or something akin to that. A lot of these Cthulhu type beings have a strong connection to the seas. Is it possible that Aldritch was possibly dreaming about the Great Ones and the Bloodborne universe?
@@dragonlord1935
He softened into sludge due to consuming the flesh of man, specifically children. He consumed Gwendolin and gained his powers.
It's possible that by eating so much of the Lord Souls and making them his own, Aldrich formed a connection with the Old One.
JakubPlatypus me too man. someone could be like “according to the item description of the clerics sacred flame, priscilla and midir have hot sex all the time forever and it’s super smutty and hot hell yeah. this is confirmed by the cut content i found while data mining that says “Keep going midir i love the way you’re consumed by the dark.” this proves the relationship between them” and id be like holy shit how could i have been so blind
"There's a place called Latria in Demon's Souls - which you should remember from your PTSD."
Almost peed myself.
Same 🤣🤣
The fact that “umbasa” was almost a phrase characters would utter in Bloodborne is so neat, that would have been a very cool tie to Demon’s Souls even if there’s no connection
It's been two years, more even. I believe it is time for Vaati himself to tear apart this theory and it's plot holes.
Or add Sekiro to the mix and make this theory even more bonkers.
@@emmanuelinfantegonzalez4316 Why not both?
I think if he added Sekiro that would be all the better
No, he should make a sequel in the next year when elden ring is maybe out and add in sekiro and ER to make it bonkerser. The ‘Elden Ring’ is simply universal law so if its messed up, boom. Explaination for the ages!
@@Writing_Gamer_513 Mexican taco music *intensifies*
I actually like to play through the series as a single timeline. Even the my character is the same person reincarnated each time due to her soul being permanently changed due to giving in to the Old One in Demon’s Souls. Only at the end of Bloodborne does she transcend this process by becoming a Great One.
This is awesome
That's some next level thinking there
Deepest lore
when you can't understand the story so you create one instead
You know what would be great? If in someway suggested by the next games the Bloodborne protagonist hunter turned larval great one after years and years in a future when he is old he is throw back eons in time far before Bloodborne and Dark Souls III becoming Demon's Souls Old One, they even have the same larval format.
Mmm..
Dark Souls 2: The Dragon Blood
Sekiro: The Dragon Blood, that comes of the west
*MmMm...*
@@jerrywinant5081 Hence Robert, an armored big lad. In Sekiro timeline the western traditions of Giantdads dunking everyone are still present.
@@ncrranger6327 The legend never dies
Not only that, but the Drakebloods believed that dragon blood was the key to immortality. In Sekiro, dragon blood grants immortality.
The plot thickens
Taint
I don't agree. In Sekiro the West is more probably China, hence why the fountainhead Dragon is so obviously Chinese in appearance... I think that in Japan at that time they would have called the European Dragons as Dragons that come from the East, since Europe is East from Japan so...
I feel like Bloodborne isn’t within the paintings. Someone (Aldrich?) has a vision of the world that comes after the fire dies: the age of the deep sea. The Hunter’s Nightmare is clearly stated to be underwater and the whole world is much more water oriented that the Dark Souls world. If nothing else, that line of prophecy is a Bloodborne reference.
Maybe it’s because paint is a liquid?
@@rampage75_25 he means Aldritch, the Devourer of Gods in ds3
This makes even more sense considering that the Hunter's Nightmare is essentially on a higher plane than Yharnam (you can see the spires of the city through the water in parts of the Fishing Hamlet), meaning that the entire "real" world of Bloodborne is technically underwater.
@@rampage75_25 he's referring to the character Aldrich in the Dark Souls games, who was able to have visions whilst sleeping, and gain things from them even, for instance the lifehunt ability that he gained from dreaming of Crossbreed Priscilla, who had the ability naturally. He gained this power despite not consuming her and only seeing her in his dream vision
@@rampage75_25 you thought you were real smart eh
I'm surprised you didn't mention Aldritch's age of the deep sea bit. That being said Great work once again. Looking forward to more videos
Godzillaborg in the description he says that he missed it
Couldn't that imply that the entire Souls series cycle starts all over again, seeing as the Old one from Demon's Souls comes "from the ocean"?
Bit of a stretch, though; since there's the entirety of Bloodborne and Sekiro (if Sekiro is canon at all) to consider between Aldrich's vision and the "renewed" Demon's Souls theorized timeline.
Depends on how you wanna look at it. Do to past statements from the director and legal reasons Bloodborne is more likely part of the Souls continuity than Demon’s Souls ever could be. Of course Blade Runner can’t be part of the Alien universe for similar reasons but Ridley Scott has tied them together unofficially.
Thanks Zen sometimes I forget I should read the descriptions
@@thedudewiththeMG40 If you want to go down that cyclical route, you can also argue that the point of the cycle is to birth new eldritch gods.
Patches is in all three universes so my heart is aswell, therefore to me they're one
Glad to see people are still watching this video
Patches is also in Armored Core, but you'll be hard pressed to find proper connections to that.
@@EXplodingLEmon1 No. Pathches is a GIANT ENEMY SPIDER *starts beatboxing pokemon battle theme*
@@Yenz30415 Patches is the connection.
Patches is in all the games if I'm correct. Wish he was just chilling in a cave somewhere in sekiro.
I did just realize that when you die in a Dark souls you have to go back to your blood stains to get your souls back. It’s probably just a stretch but your souls could be connected to your blood
Elijah Clarke don’t confuse gameplay mechanics with actual lore
@@dimez3702 bro. In this game gameplay mechanics IS the lore.
Dude it's been established already, that blood and souls are connected with the last dlc..
The ringed city confirms this, yeah
@@dimez3702 In Soulsborne games, game mechanics are the lore. Anything they put in the game has a lore reason for being there.
Let's all be honest and say that Patches is the one that confirms the connection of the SoulsBorne Games as he appears in all of them
FS just made a bald dude and went, "i like this one. Let's keep using him. Idk maybe a mascot?"
Bloodborne aka the latest in the timeline has Patches in his true form. Patches the spider. Kinda makes sense seeing as you only see him in the nightmare.
Does the appereance of a dude named Cid who loves airships on every final fantasy game connects them all?
@@JR-vt7rb Yes
Maybe that's why he's called Patches. Because he patches the Soulsborne games together by being in all of them 😉
White-haired girl painting in Ariandel:
Ah yes, let me paint some uncomprehensible old ones.
must've got pretty bored waiting for Uncle Gael to come back
I mean... she wasn't exactly all there... more sane than her keepers, certainly, but fully sane...? And anywhere madness is, the old ones can seep their way in...
I think we can safely say the great ones already existed before the painting and they decided to come in the new world.
Maybe the old ones are painting errors. And the people in the painting can’t understand them
@@captaingreyeye7461 that’s cool
I like to think that from soft thought, "You know whats great? Berserk and lovecraft so lets just make games with that shit in there."
There is a heavy dose of European mythology in there too, from ancient Greece to Arthurian legend. Bloodborne obviously goes away from that in favor of a more cosmic horror/werewolf in london Victorian vibe, which is just great.
@@no_nameyouknow Lovecraft also have some taints of European /Mediterranean folklore, so that.
Honestly that probably IS how they start any given new game, and then the lore and everything gets built on top of it as it's all being made
@@toobig7150 The Elder Gods (Not the Elder Things, The Old Ones, or The Outer Gods) are Lovecraft's "Human pantheon" who are meant to be our "keepers" or "babysitters". You can learn more about them in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. They are basically supposed to be amalgamations of all the old pagan gods humans worshiped after the fall of the Old Ones led to their religions becoming far less common among primitive humanity.
@@StarboyXL9 I have read all of lovecraft books, and as far as i remember that book (kadath and by rule also the silver key) are more about the whole lovecraft universe, yes, we get to know what the fuck the elder gods are, who the fight with and the like, but thats literally a background plot.
Theres also the hint that human minds (dreams) of enough power can create a god himself (just like the protagonist kinds turns into at the end, when he gets both the silver key and the book/paper thing)
The point of those gods, its that they do not care about us as a loving god, they care about us because, without us, they can not exist, or at least have a world with worshippers who give them power.
Its like that saying of "if god exist, he dosnt care about ants like us"
"Its really dishonest to tell a story this way", rule #1 my friend, "NEVER let the truth get in the way of telling a good story". Thats why we have films, novels and canvassed art :)
How I met your mother?
I mean... the "official" story of the birth of the flame, how time and humanity didn't exist before the flame, etc simply seem untrue if you take the trilogy's lore as a whole. So treating the Way of White's creation myth as true is a dishonest way to tell the story.
I always thought that each game was trapped in their own cycles, doomed to never end.
Demon's Souls: stuck putting the old one to back to sleep or becoming a replacement of him
Dark Souls: Fire fades and regardless of what you do, will not allow itself to die out
Bloodborne: The hunt begins and either escape from the hunt without ending it, or be trapped inside the hunt forever
H.P Lovecraft mentality. He’d be proud if he played the games.
@@Sqoun probably not considering most of his stories were analogy’s for his racist beliefs. He wouldn’t be cool with anyone but white people continuing his work, no matter how good it was.
For some background, Love craft was a deeply mentally ill man, among other things he believed that black people were monsters wearing skin suits. He wasn’t your run of the mill racist, he was legitimately insane.
@@dirpyturtle69 he was an incredibly messed up and deranged weirdo but most of his work certainly wasn’t dedicated TO racism, he had separate disgusting writings about that stuff, but a lot of his cosmic horror was genuinely just shit he created out of his own insanity, also, regardless of how he was as a person, we can certainly appreciate work that has been inspired by him, just a shame he probably wouldn’t have himself
@@oelaty9116 I didn’t say it was dedicated to those beliefs, but rather that some of them were analogies. IMO his work is still completely readable by today’s standards because it’s barely noticeable even if you know what he meant with certain creatures and story’s.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t read his books or anything, love craft is one of the few people in history that get a pass for being scumbags because it genuinely wasn’t his fault that he was like that. The only thing I meant by my comment was that he wouldn’t appreciate from soft being inspired by his works because they arnt a group of white guys.
@@dirpyturtle69 I will not disapprove all of his work just because he was a racist cunt. Yes, we know that he was racist. But that doesn't change the fact that his work was phenomenal when it comes to horror, gore & goth stuff! If we go back by everyone inner demons we wouldn't find a single human to fully admire.
Patches in every game, he “patches” the games together. Coincidence?
Wait... thats "Joincidence" with a "C"!
So Soulsborne and Armored Core share same timeline because Patches was in Armored Core for Answer as well, along with Ornstein and Old King...
@@fyanmuhamad4441 where
@@fyanmuhamad4441 well I mean armored core has magic so its...not *too* big of a stretch.
Where's patches in sekiro hm
During the watching of this video I was suddenly struck by the need to play some sort of souls RPG where the world isn't falling apart. I want to roam around Anor Londo at it's peak with the streets bustling with people, I want to see New Londo before it was flooded and all the people died, I want to see blight town before it became blight town.... please tell me I'm not the only one?
That would be interesting but I would rather have an apocalyptic wasteland to explore rather than go here and explore this dungeon.
When I tell you that I felt this lol I just want to see what the world was like before it all went to crap
rowan knox langford that would be cool but i *think* , if i remember right, that blighttown was always blighttown, always a diseased shantytown inhabited by monstrosities so wretched that they were banished from the depths aka the sewer sistem inhabited by the creatures so disgusting that they were banished from lower undead burg aka the seedy suburb of the undead burg, home of petty thieves and cutthroats and wild diseased dogs. Basically my point is that blighttown isn't just the worst, but the worst of the worst of the worst. Though maybe i'm remembering wrong and blighttown was once not a fucking cancer mass someone drunkenly vomited on while being recorded at 10 fps most.
Yes!!
Ethan Orozco basically Fallout more than Skyrim lol
What if, rather than a linear time line, dark souls and bloodborne are separate branches, the results of the good and evil ending of demon souls. Give the old one all the souls, world gets destroyed and recreated in the fog (sorceries and miracles preserved), or deny the old one for a golden age (without magic) of humans to start... until more old ones come and start driving people mad. (Insight = souls magic?)
The thing is, there are too many references to blood and deep water in Dark Souls 3...
lowlize +dark souls does seem to keep the series on some chronological development of technology and the like. I could visualize the whole series spanning a millenia or more.
Ken Shurry You could be right,but Dark Souls poked at us tok many times with Bloodborne links.If you were right then Dark Souls also eventually leaded to Bloodborne.There are too many Blood worshiping things and concepts in DS series.
this idea of separation is what iv preferred to believe, that each choice has a different outcome, but does preserving magic for the dark souls universe make them unable to comprehend the power of blood? i don't think so, since the content of dark souls 2 and 3 shows the use of it. but what of bloodborne beside the residual echos of demon souls? and what vaati said about the armor in bloodborne, it could just as simply be from demon souls so that point can be interpreted differently. and can we assume that the eldrich form of the ending of bloodborne be the utmost evolutionary goal of life? since to survive they must keep evolving. if it is where does that leave dark souls? it could be they failed, it could be the concept of aldrich ascension was lost to them due to the old ones death. it could be more support for the theory that bloodborne share the same timeline so that everything ends with ascension like the universe intended but who knows. hoo nose.
Well don't forget, in all 5 of these games, Time itself is coming undone, and you can see past, present, and future, as well as potentially alternate timelines reflected in hazy illusions all around you.
It's entirely possible that, especially with an increased presence of the great ones in BB, who seem to take the laws of time, space, and general causality as more suggestions than anything else, the borders between these two possibilities could blur. Given that the world of DS3 seems to have a far more solid grasp on the idea of the cyclical nature of the first flame and the nature of souls, they could be coming closer and closer to seeing through the constrictions of time and have hints, legends, and lore relating to worlds or timelines outside of their own.
I'm curious about the nature of the dreams in BB vs. the painted worlds in DS. It's possible that they are one and the same, or at least similar in nature. It seems as though the Great Ones in BB are simply powerful enough to create the dreams that you visit throughout the game, but perhaps the painted worlds are sort of an improvised man-made method of accomplishing a similar task.
I am not enough of a lore buff to know all the details, but it seems as though the painted worlds of DS are somewhat independent of their source; I.E. if the actual canvas they were painted on in the previous world was destroyed, the painted world would continue to exist, though it would begin to crumble over time.
This could mean that, rather than BB being a painted world in DS, it would be the other way around. The Good ending of Demon Souls comes to pass, but as humanity gains insight into the nature of blood and souls and all that, they created a dream, just like the Great ones can create, and this dream was the world of Dark Souls, depicting a potential history where the evil ending of DeS came to pass.
Because this painting will begin to decay over time, the cycle of the First Flame begins, and the dream is revitalized over and over, with humanity escaping into painted world after painted world, with only vague recollections of the one they left behind following each time. Remember, in DS2, Straid hails from a once-mighty civilization that is so far in the past that it rose and fell and is entirely forgotten at this point, and who knows how many other civilizations have risen and fallen in the interim?
Perhaps Bloodborne is happening in actual reality, while Dark Souls is dreams within dreams within dreams. By the time DS3 occurs, after having spent so long in this cycle, they have come closer and closer to understanding the nature of the dreams they are in, catching glimpses of the world that spawned them millennia ago.
It could even be that the very fact that humans created such painted worlds (something that only great ones should be able to do) is what causes so many Great Ones to be interested in humanity as of Bloodborne: After Demon Souls, humanity caught a glimpse of the Great Ones' immense power and dabbled in it to create a new world within a dream, thus attracting more and more great ones to come and meddle in humanity's affairs, which only serves to further blur the borders between dream and reality.
holy crap, that spun off into an insane spitball theory that was forming in my head as I wrote it. I have no idea how tenable any of that is, but it was fun as hell to think about.
My favorite part about the lore of these games is that there's so many interpretations, and any one of them could be just as possible as any other. It's like legos: you get a load of little pieces and you can configure them into whatever shape makes the most sense to you, then you and your friends can show each other all the cool little things you made and compare them to one another.
"They shatter the minds"
Orphan of Kos took that a little tooooo literally
He took me 27 tries
Now that you've done a theory supporting this, can you please do a video disproving this theory? I would love to see both sides of the argument.
Franchiseboy83 It's not proving or disproving, it's simply gathering item descriptions that support, or contradict it. Nothing is confirmed by support, nothing is denied by contradiction.
Then a video contradicting it?
I believe this theory 100%. Not because it's completely solid, but because there's no reason not to believe it. It's a fictional universe.
Also, while there's no explicit evidence for or against this theory, there are references and connections between the games, but nothing that can "disprove" the theory. Sure, there are holes in the timeline, things we don't know, but that doesn't disprove anything.
Ben Thede
Of course there are connections, the newer games draw inspiration from the previous. That doesn't mean they're connected though. Through that logic, you could say the games are sequels to lovecrafts writings.
Either way though, it's an interesting view.
This was great. So many memories around these games.
I can't wait for the remaster of the Prepare to Cry series.
Simte (the rekindled edition)
It will be the Dark Souls of TH-cam videos.
Simte II
Where is bloodborne prepare to cry Maria and Ludwig :(
I always put the mod "you died like a bitch"
So...if we don't get anymore Souls titles can you just talk about Lovecraftian fiction?
This comment is under rated and ye
jadams2113 I was actually very interested in that aspect I’d watch it
that would be beautiful
Elden Ring.
That or hollow knight
Honestly, I’d love to see more of this theory not because I believe it but because it’s just fun to think about
Honestly it is. It would be pretty cool to just enter a fog wall and end up in Yharnam or Sekiro with your elden ring character.
'says he doesn't believe in it and tells us to rip it apart'
'seems air tight anyways'
Classic Vaati
It seems airtight because he knows that it isn't, which in turn affected the presentation of it. There are several points where the link is just "thing X is *kinda* like thing Y, so they must be the same thing," which even in the context SoulsBorne lore sources (i.e.- cryptic dialogue and fragmentary item descriptions) is a very weak argument.
Then there's the structure of the argument. The case presented for a continuity between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls is solid- and plausible- which primes us to be more accepting of the weaker proposition connecting Bloodborne to Dark Souls.
Ford Mulligan Agreed. It makes just as much sense that there are infinite possibilities, and each of the three parts are side by side, with time being so distorted by the transgressions of various people in each universe that past events cross future times.
There's no direct evidence linking the painting in DS3 to Bloodborne. The only evidence I have seen of the painting's purpose is the in game dialog that the new world "will be dark".
While Bloodborne can be considered dark, there are infinite possibilities that the newly painted world can take. I think people WANT to have a connection beyond "infinite possibilities", because having a nice little bow of a storyline is more orderly and fun than just having loose connections.
Also... the datamined files AREN'T in the games, and were taken out. Original intent does not equal current result.
The Painter in Dark Souls 3 wants to paint a new painting (weird sentence).
To do that she needs to see flame, not a normal flame, but rather the First Flame of sorts, that's why Ashen One is needed there, to kindle it.
Besides fire, she need something to paint that new world with. Gael, whom she calls uncle, went on a search for the Dark Soul, because she needs "pigment colored like the dark soul of man". He found the pygmies who inherited the Dark Soul from the Furtive Pygmy. He tried to take their blood as pigment for the Painter. That hints to the fact that blood is a medium for souls.
"Present a theory by cherry picking the facts that support it"
"*seems* airtight"
You left out that the blood of the dark soul caused Gael to have a more beast like posture so wouldn't the blood of the dark souls be the old blood? Because the old blood turned man to beasts.
DeformedBeauty I like this
A nice mention, but he's more beast like because he's sort of at his wits end, not because he's been taking in blood. Plus, Gael is taking the blood of those who are no different from them aside from the fact that they have the dark soul. In Bloodborne, people become beasts because they had a transfusion with the blood of a supernatural being, believing it to be a miracle cure (which it was until you turned into a beast). You can classify Gael as a beastly human (meaning his actions are more monstrous but he's still human and has his reasons for doing them). Someone to compare him to is Father Gascoigne who actually becomes a beast in the middle of your boss fight with him and he just wants to tear you up.
Vilebloods arent beast. There is more than one strain of blood curse or you can seek eyes.
I'm pretty sure the dark souls have an affect on Gael. He is becoming more powerful due to the souls he's consumed. All of the messages he leaves you around dreg heap, boss fight vs. Queen Elsa and Chair sama, he's a normal looking human/hollow. Time skip and you find him at world's end, after consuming who knows how many souls, and consuming the dark soul.
What if because of him taking so many souls, and the Dark Soul, when he is killed the curse is reborn because of him? Instead of an Old One making the curse, it was instead hubris, and all the gods have to do is sit back and watch. Those with the Old One's blessing also seem alien, not animalistic, which might even show the severance between the two.
oh man, poor Vaati...
wants to see theory get ripped appart, everyone fully believes in it
Fernando Pires I don't.
Just the origin of the dark sign is questionable, as I believe his own history video states that Gwyn created it. ;)
Well, there is no reason not to believe it no matter how much lore channels like to ridicule the theory.
ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ Yes there is. Just because you want a connection doesn't mean it exists. And I've seen your comments, and despite what you say there is tangible proof there is no connection.
Well I'm asking for that proof so telling me "yes there is proof" isn't exactly sufficient as a reply.
ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ "What we we want to clear up is this is actually not a sequel to Demon's Souls - we're treating this as a brand new game created by the same director and producer," Miyazaki-san told CVG in an interview.
"Again it is created by the same director and producer, so the base concept and themes are very similar. However, the story itself as well as a lot of the game features have been recreated so that we can present this as a brand new title." - Discussing Dark souls
I've had this in my watch later list for years. Finally finished Bloodborne for the first time last week. Glad to finally be able to watch this video with full context!
Chester has always been my Personal link between Souls and Bloodborne, I'm glad you brought him up in this video.
Now tie in the King's Field, Shadow Tower, Tenchu and Armored Core series.
Throw From Software's "Another Century's Episode" series in and then he has to make Gundam fit into Souls lore.
Don't forget 3D Dot Game Heroes.
Something something moonlight sword something something nothing connects to tenchu
Yes! I need to see him do all of this!
Armored Core's world kind of shares the atmosphere of Demon's Souls.
VaatiVidya - "if you remembered from your ptsd."
ME - "YUP"
Vigilance ixxi loved that comment haha
That sentence was pure genius
For me personally, it was a greater struggle that Blighttown...
Galaxian Dragon yeah I feel you but getting messed up around in THIS place is haunting not "trolly" like it was in Blighttown
Never played Demons Souls but if it's anything like blighttown or the bit with the silver knights and their greatbows, i kinda understand butn ot fully
Paused when I, maybe, caught the first thing. Shub-Niggurath doesn't float, she walks on an odd number of legs; usually 5.
The next thing I caught is that the Dragons aren't mentioned at all when transitioning from Demon to Dark. How would they have come in to existance and since they had their stone scales, making them immortal/undying/invulnerable, why would they have not been seen in Demon? The only way this part would make sense is if several millenia separated the two stories and the Dragons some how came in to existance from nothing.
the dragon’s aren’t very damning because assuming the dark soul’s universe starts with ds1 the dragon’s come out of nowhere anyway and with the huge timescales the events of these games take place over it’s completely conceivable that the eternal dragon’s somehow evolved and dominated the planet between demon souls and dark souls similar to the scale things have take place over after mass extinction events in our own world
@@felentelechy I wouldn't say the Dragons came out of no where. That would be a more accurate description of Nito, Izaleth, Gwyn and The Pygmy. The Dragons were around for centuries, millenia or even whole eons before man, god or beast roamed the land.
Where the dragons came from isn't the point I was making though; just that you can not begin to try connecting the timelines involving Dark Souls without the dragons being included. They were and are too intwined in major events.
what if the dragons are demons
@@matius7260 That raises the question as to what demons are then, since they share little to no attributes with the dragons; chiefly the stone scales.
@@MartyrPandaGaming no the question is what is a dragon then
@VaatiVidya I can't help but feel as though they have always wanted to tie the worlds together from the beginning, but always decide to go another way. I mean it seems like a coincidence that Chester is from waaaay back when the dark souls dlc was released and seems to fit into Yharnams theme for clothing and weapons. But then he literally says that he was snatched by a shadowy limb and dragged into the past. Which is how you could describe being grabbed by a huge amygdala that you can't see, only to be taken into a nightmare that reflects what the past was. I freaking love how deep everything can be perceived to go, even if it isn't the real lore, I love conversing about this kind of thing!
So the dlc area is a nightmare. It would make sense since most of the mechanics are similar. If you imagine killing Manus and getting the nightmare slain text it would make sense.
The shadowy hand is the hand of Manus, the same hand that drags you to the past when you go near the distortion after killing the golem after getting the pendant. Also I believe Chester said he was from Carim, the same place Lautrec is from. Carim isn't present in Bloodborne's world so it would be a big stretch for him to be from bloodborne
The reason they look the same is because there was cut/unused content from dark souls which had the style of bloodborne and the devs clearly liked it to so spun it into a game of its own
I agree, Blade. Unfortunately, it's legal matters that cause this disconnect. Dark Souls can't be officially tied to Demon's Souls or Bloodborne as Sony hold the rights to those games and won't allow it to happen.
I believe Miyazaki had these ideas in his head when he originally made DeS and moved on to make DaS but sadly we'll never get to see the full extent of that vision :(
Blade Roberson I think an often undermined sentiment could be that after the Old One cursed the world, a long period of time passed and with it, so did the Old One and going through a process I would relate to that of the giants of Dark Souls II, wherein as they reach their oldest age, they plant themselves into the ground and become trees. I think the Old One became an archtree and from him, many more grew, creating a split into different worlds. (ie, the world of our character, Solaire, and so on)
I want you to debunk your own theory in detail.
Me too
Same
Why dont any of you lazy fucks do it
Same
@@gustavoalverez6934 because we're all lazy fucks
I have played all the souls/borne/sekiro games now, but I weirdly started off on Dark Souls 2. Then I played Bloodborne, and then Sekiro.
One thing I thought was interesting (probably already said by loads of people) was the 'Aged Feather' from Dark Souls 2 which allows you to travel back to your last bonfire, or travel through time and space in a way. Well in Sekiro, you get a prosthetic tool upgrade called the 'Aged Feather Mist Raven', and with this tool, it allows you to also travel through time and space, just in a much shorter distance.
What is also interesting is how Sekiros story revolves often around dragons. We learn of the Divine Dragon of the Everblossom and that it came to Ashina from the West long ago and took root there. In Dark Souls 2 the Aged Feather is given to you by the Emerald Herald when you enter Dragon Aerie. The area with a shit tonne of dragons. Is this Aged Feather much more potent from the land it comes from, the Dragon Aerie, but in Sekiro, it is just a touch of it from the west, and so less effective.
There is a child, Kuro, The Divine Heir, who possesses the power of the Dragons Heritage, and it is his blood, and this Dragon Heritage that people are after. "Kuro was raised in seclusion" and is a "descendant of an ancient bloodline", and much like with Bloodborne's injection of blood vials, his blood heals, and makes you stronger - it can even resurrect.
Now here is the piece of info, that first made me consider any of this. In the Item description for the Aged Feather in Dark Souls 2, it says this: "The child of the dragon, sequestered away from the world, imagined a world of boundless possibilities from the mere sight of a feather."
Also while we dont see it in bloodborne the painter girl has scales and could much like Priscilla be of 'dragon blood/heritage' dont know if this means Jack but yk
Vaati, mate, have a look at this
My brain absolutely exploded. This is golden
Gave me chills bro
its scrapped stuff about time travel from dark souls 2 where you get the feather from a young emerald herald who is a dragonborn
With the Abyss Watchers using the gesture before the fight, UT almost feels like it's a tiny piece of Artorias bowing to you and thanking you fir everything you did for him and Sif in Dark Souls 1.
Azathoth is called the Blind Idiot God because it is thought that our entire existence is a dream of Azathoth's - He doesn't even realise that we exist and the musical piping is there to keep him asleep and us alive - when he wakes up, we don't. It's not that he lacks intelligence, its that he lacks an intelligence that we can comprehend. Do you think an ant could fathom why we do certain things? We are less than ants to Azathoth. I'd recommend reading the short story Lovecraft wrote for any that haven't, it's a good read
Jake Rawlings scary
This is the lore of Elder Scrolls as well. The entire game world is actually a dream of a God.
Jake Rawlings which story is that one?
Zombie Lord & Savior The one titled Azathoth
From what I understand it isn't just the dream of a god, its the dream of the creator of the lore. The other interpretation I have seen is that the god is us, as the person playing the game, but not the player character
One really neat thing that I feel like connects Bloodborne and Dark Souls is the unused dialogue from Gehrman about the final battle.
"Laurence, the end is not far away, now.
Every last dream will burn out, and Flora will return from the moon.
As for us, the time has come to honour our vows.
Hunters are needed no longer
You and I shall fight to the death, and she will consume the victor.
The way we've always said we'd end it, you recall.
Oh, Laurence. Of course you remember."
So, at the beginning very beginning, Gehrman and Laurence made vows to, at the last night, fight to the death inside the Hunter's Dream, and the winner, proven to be the strongest and the one who would take the blood of the one who lost, would be consumed by Flora, The Moon Presence.
In part, this looks like the ending of all Souls games, where you acquire all the power within the world and deliver it to the Old One or the First Flame, but in this case there are two things that make it a bit more interesting: first, is the fact that now it isn't souls, but blood, and that they are meant to be consumed, and secondly, the ending of the Ringed City, the last entry on Dark Souls 3 and Dark Souls as a whole.
In the Ringed City DLC, at the end of the world itself, you and Gael are the last suvivors, both warriors who traveled a long time collecting souls, and now you both fight each other, and the edge of existence, and winner takes the blood of the Dark Soul and bring it to the Painter. They couldn't make it a bigger parallel here.
The vows of the Hunters was meant to symbolize the event that lead to the creation of their very world: the greatest hunters, at the very end of the last night, would fight each other, using all the power at their disposal, and the winner would surrender that blood to the Moon Presence - maybe to create a new world, or simply to re enact the passage of the blood of the dark soul to the Painter.
Of course, that was removed so this whole thing isn't cannon, but it does make me believe that the initial idea for Bloodborne was to be the game to tie up Demon Souls, Dark Souls and give a true end to the whole Soulsborne (multi)universe. But either they felt they couldn't fill all the plot holes, or simply production took a turn at some point and they decided to prioritize Bloodborne being it's own thing, and so it was scrapped and all that is left for us are the few remaining connections lingering.
Duuuuuuuuuude
The lore, whether they actually used it in the game or not, is superior to the "canon".
Seek the paleblood. Is all I think when I see that painting then I picture the moon presence coming down towards you.
if bloodborne was supposed to give a true end to soulsborne, why are all the bloodborne endings very open?
Yharnam Sunrise: The main character survives, no one knows what happened to Yharnam or the rest of the world
Honouring Wishes: The main character becomes Gherman, implying that the hunt will happen again and again forever
Childhood Beginnings: wtf is even going on? Did the main character become a great one/moon presence itself? still implying that it is all a loop
Although Yharnam sunrise could be an end, its still a stretch. It all seems like it could become a sequel/spinoff later on if fromsoft feels like doing so
@@deg1studios the whole souls borne universe ended dont care about being solid. What makes this series so great is that it's always a cliff hanger. Its left to us to piece it together. The game isnt really about us the character, it's more about the world we live and fight in. It's more about everything going on around us.
9:23 Wait. “Shadowy limb”, “Dragged to the past”, “strangers in a strange land”... did this guy time travelled to the past? Is this guy a yharnam inahabitant that was literally dragged to the past by a great one? Great ones are shadowy until you have enough insight, he has a set quite awkward for the world he is in, bleeding effect dagger like most BB trick weapons... i guess we have a theory here!
"Shadowy limb" probably means Manus' arm, "dragged to the past" I think refers to Oolacile itself, "strangers in a strange land" does as well in my opinion!
I just have one thing to ask.
Remember how you start the Old Hunters DLC?
@@DrNemirovsky google
@@Peak_Antelope are you daft mate?
@@DrNemirovsky You do vaguely see a shadowy version of Amygdala's arm just before you die\vanish if you dont have insight. It actually would fit just as easily.
If anything, I might have learned more about how Miyazaki reworks Lovecraftian tropes into his stories
And to think, you didn't have to bring Patches into it at all.
Toadilly how would patches survive demon's souls?
He's unbreakable
Patches is the old one confirmed.
Virdi Purbakala - That's actually fun to think about lol.
It's like the Darth Jar Jar theory. Doesn't necessarily stand to light, but jesus would it be cool if it were true
I do appreciate how up front and modest you are about this being a stretch.
I'm sure they just share recurring themes/concepts, but this is a fun theory.
@Bob Loblaw Oh my gosh enough of this BS
I literally have the article that inspires this publicly in the first 3 lines of the description, and write "Source: article" in the video itself whenever i'm pulling directly from a point it makes. The rest is overlap I decided to include myself. You see only what you want to see.
great thing about the souls games is they're as liquid as the souls within, the story allows for bending, i like to believe the games share connections in a different order, bloodborne being first, a newly born great one growing into the last known great one (old one) with dark souls being the after math later, i'm sure this isnt the case, but i like that idea, and with "time being convoluted" in the majority of the world in these games its sorta possible for an event to overlap several others if your willing to argue hard enough. when it comes down to it i'm pretty sure the only actual connections are a combo of 1-coincidence, 2-intended refrences and nods to other games, 3-from software printed on the box
I’ve actually heard a theory along those lines only it involves branching paths from demon’s souls endings. So evil ending: world is shrouded by fog and Millenia later the world of Dark Souls begins, just like you said. But in the other ending, the maiden in black sacrifices herself to put the old one back to sleep. In that ending the fog fades, the demons and monsters and magical beings die out and the world moves on in a peaceful and relatively normal world. But millennia later, a world that has developed without magic or monsters starts finding these remnants of great old ones in ancient tombs, and Yharnam is founded. The way these parallel worlds intersect is Dark Souls II. Your character has the undead curse and falls down some sort of time space portal into the long forgotten world of Drangleic. That I justify because it’s the same thing that happened to Marvelous Chester in Dark Souls. There’s your connection.
That's a great theory, my good man. I've been theorizing about the concept of time in the soulsborne series, and of couse they all are stretches, but they're interesting. So we start as always in Demon's, and the true canon is the dark path. Then, the DS1. There things start to diverge. I think there were some confirmation to Drangleic and Lordran/Lothric being the opposide sides of one world, or rather continent, as I don't think there would be free trade in a world that spans like hundred years, or some. So if the fire ending of DS1 is true, we get a prospering, but a short lived age of Fire, which brings us to DS3. The fire has almost extinguished, as it burned for too long, and the attempts to rekindle it only led to disasters, as seen in Gundyr's timeline. So after the DS3, there would be the exodus of mankind to the Painted world, or, another, more lengthy than before, age of darkness, returning back to DS1, possibly, as its obvious that the lord of the dead is competent enough to return to Lordran, and I think not physically, but by reversing time. And yet, there's the part when DS1 gets the darkness ending. Fire snuffs out, but it rekindles itself after some years, and Drangleic is formed instead. DS2 begins, being parallel to DS3 and slightly different. See, in the base world of Demon souls, the corruption of human species is not clear, but we can elaborate on the Hollowing that it is due to the long Era of darkness. Then, an attempt to reverse the hollowing is made, which gives us the Cinder. I think we can all agree that the Cinder is the midway of being human or god-like. Because of the prolonged Fire Era, this was made possible, at the cost of the lifespan of the worls itself. While the Curse, on the contrary, is being half-hollow and half-human. So instead of overdoing themselves, the human species have tried to at least be somewhat alive. So, to sum everything up, the timeline has to always have a bad ending for the Fire, as both in Bloodborne in DS2, there are less godliness and being all-powerful, than in the DS1 and 3. And yes, I think that after the DS2, the world around Drangleic would still die, but at a lesser extent. And the thing is, the biggest stretch of my theory is the Bloodborne tie-ins. So I believe that Yharnan is the descendant of Drangleic, but is connected to Lothric. Remember when I said being the opposite? Yeah, the painted world. Soooo, that's probably it. I think that this all is just me babbling, but a theory is a theory.
So many good theories
Vaati, I love your videos man, you really helped me get into the game in way I don’t think I could have before. It makes playing it that much more immersive and I gotta give it all to you my man
You didn't even include Patches, or the moonlight greatsword? That makes me sad. But another good video as usual haha.
Patches
The moonlight Greatsword would be one of the things that disprove this theory, I think. It exists and is present in Demon's Souls. But then it is CREATED in Dark Souls when the player cuts it off from the tail of Seath.
That said, I do really like this theory, and headcanon it when I play through the games.
TwitchLawliet well the demon souls world was destroyed by fog so was the old moonlight sword and was remade/rediscovered by the time of dark souls
@@davidpower5710 True. It also never really explains how Seath links himself to the crystal, so maybe you could say that taking the sword into himself using magic is how he did that, and you cut it out of him.
@@TwitchLawliet I'm reaching here but who is to say its directly from Seath but just a dragon creation. the description says "his sword, one of the rare dragon weapons..." So this could be just Seaths version, as the Moonlight Greatsword in Demon's Souls says its "The legendary large sword that reflects moonlight.
Widely known in association with Moonlight Knight Bito. It's one of the few Revelations from God.
The blue crystal blade is composed only of light, so it's impossible to block with a shield."
I believe this was created by the Dragon god because its unblockable and unlike Seaths it doesn't degrade super fast.
In Bloodborne Ludwig discovers it. Even when Ludwig is a beast, the sword helps him back to keep his ...humanity.
This is amazing. We've been waiting for something like this for years now.
Are you both Starcraft and Souls fan? :o
Add Metal Gear Series and it's all me
Guys it's not a proper theory, Calm yourselves.
Yeah and it’s not true
Over the span of several centuries, across potentially multiple timelines and dimensions that make up the Soulsborne universe, whether you were a slayer of demons, men, beasts or gods, there is one constant: Patches kicking you into an effing ditch.
Might be worth re-evaluating this idea. Elden Ring makes an interesting connective tissue to describe 3 potential spin off universes with Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Bloodbourne
What connection are u talking about? O:
@@SADYT-be5qe Connective tissue is not the same as a connection. I'm not saying they are actually all related
No it doesn't.
I can see that working. In Elden Ring, the setting is literally called The Lands Between. Why? The Lands Between could be a continent between other continents with societies and cultures either identical or the actual settings Sekiro, Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne. It can also mean a world that is between other worlds of the forementioned games in a nexus web of sorts.
@OPREggroll absolutely yeah
Just like you stated in the description, you forgot to mention Aldritch and his dream of the coming "Age of Deep Sea", a way too obvious nod to Bloodborne.
There's also Ringfinger Leonard, with his Bloodborne-esque looking attire and Crescent Moon Sword, a weapon linked with the moon and we all know the deep symbolism the moon has in BB.
And most importantly, these lines of dialogue from him:
"No one will despoil her soul. Certainly no *beast* wrapped in human skin!"
"What do you want with her soul? Isn't flesh enough for a *sick beast* ?!"
Speaking of Rosaria's soul, her soul is quite unique from all the rest. A unique red color palette, might be a connection to blood, and one could argue the her abilities of rebirth, that can turn a human into a monstrous man-grub, are closely related to the transformation into a beast of BB (but that's kinda pushing it).
Kinoksis +
Good points brought about. I hope Vaati notices this post.
Here's something interesting: The Iron Yahar'gul Helm DEEPLY resembles Havel's Helm from Dark Souls, and the description reads "Iron helmet worn by hunters of the Unseen Village.
Removing the hood reveals something reminiscent of a warrior of a previous age.
This headwear is made of metal, a rarity for hunter garb, and has high defense, but only against physical attacks." Coincidence???
...but wasn't Havel's helmet made of stone dragon scales?
Havels Armour was made from stone no metal
Sensei metal is just shiny rock
@@wormwood8352 yes
@@sensei366 Hence "reminiscent." It resembles the helmet of a warrior of a previous age. It's not literally his helmet.
"This process is assisted by a maiden, who is able to channel souls in every game"... Wait is bonfire chan acknowledged by vaati?
In ds 1 the firekeeper used firekeeper souls to upgrade the estus.
Bonfire-chan is best girl
@@exmachina1405 don't you mean bestus girl?
Been a few years ago since this video was made, but have you ever noticed the giant Forrests you can find in dark souls' ash lake, the giant trees in Bloodborne's hunters dream, and the fact that elden ring also has massive trees? I think Myazaki's head cannon is that all his games are connected and he is trying to give us hints about it.
Yeah, trees happen to exist dude
@@daboy8107the erd tree is on lothric chest piece and demon souls - elden ring are all about one family line of royals, allant, gwyn, lothric, godrick, are all a very clear and distinctly written family tree… People always say bloodborne is in the painted world even though it was painted in the subsequent game inside of a painted world dlc which was a sequel to a painted world dlc…. haven’t even beaten every bloodborne boss so maybe cainhurst castle is the same kind of thing because the guy on the frosty roof top has the same move set and weapon you fight in both the painted worlds… it’s not trees it’s open fields of jack and the beanstalk sized trees that appear in every game… only reason elden ring wasn’t called Demon Souls VI is because of sony… it’s the same writer being pushed to write the same series over and over again of the same plot why on earth would they be separate worlds in the writers head that’s the dumbest thing anyones ever thought… also just throwing this out there a big core of the demon souls mythos is that sorceries and blessings used to be commonplace and studied by many and not so much nowadays and in elden ring the aesthetic design is based on even older historical fantasy settings and has ELDEN in the name and is largely about the beginning of the studying of blessings and sorceries…. plus they’re all the same game on the same engine some people just want to have no imagination i swear, this was all very clear the second any bloodborne fan played dark souls 3 in 2016
I think if we use Occam's Razor, Miyazaki just has some tropes he really likes and reuses. He's basically been making variations on the same game for 20 years, and he tells almost the same story every time. He loves Lord of the Rings, and its dying/fading world, with the story taking part long after the golden age of the world. Its highly unlikely that he has some deep, secret master plan linking all of these plots on purpose (or at least didn't, but perhaps has seen the fan theories and decided he enjoys them).
Vaati, more Bloodborne videos, please. There's a lot you haven't told us about (especially dlc stuff).
Bloodborne is for free on ps plus this month , it has been a while ... guess it’s time for a new hunt ♥️
Scary Gimmick consume the blood of the poor casuals, may the hunt begin
I Just Started A New Run Recently And Am Really Surprised By How Well I Am Doing After So Long
Tonight, he joins the hunt.
This Name is Temporary free on psn* hurrdurrr
We must ASCEND to become a great one!!
"Which you should remember from your ptsd"
Vaati you know i love you
(and of course i do... I just keep it suppressed)
“While I don’t recommend you buy into this shared time line period I’m peddling”.
Too late Vaati. I’m invested, it’s canon, and planning a tattoo 😅😂
hold up, you tellin me by using the blood of the dark soul for a new painting we broke the curse? - bruh
As far as I’m concerned, the curse wasn’t broken, but a world devoid of the Linking of Fire was made.
They traded the curse for beasthood
I don’t know who got the better deal to be honest
@@tinchosabala Bloodborne looks pretty much like I envision an Age of Dark to look, it even has the ascension of Mankind that Gwyn feared so much.
Though given how the Great Ones look, I can't blame him for being afraid.
You can't break a curse, only transfer it to someone or something else.
But clearly the curse (and the souls) is still in the blood.
Probably Vaatividya won't see this, but here goes.
I noticed that Ludwig and Oceiros are very similar, in a few ways:
- At the beginning of Ludwig's fight he's a crazed beast who has lost his mind, and walks on multiple legs, and at the second phase he sees his moonlight sword and retains his humanity as you once described it, and stands upright like a normal person, Oceiros on the other hand is the complete opposite, he starts almost sane and standing upright, but in the second phase loses his mind, he and behaves very similarly to Ludwig's first phase.
- The other thing I noticed was how they're both linked to the Moonlight Greatsword, Ludwig uses that weapon, whilst in Dark Souls 3 you can get the weapon using Oceiros's Soul, so in order to get the moonlight sword you have to kill these 2 similar characters.
- And last but not least, they are both high ranking people if that makes sense, Ludwig is the chief hunter of the healing church, and Oceiros is the king of Lothric.
I'm sure you can find more similarities but these are the ones I noticed.
Edit: I even read on reddit that Oceiros uses recycled screeches that are identical to Ludwig's.
Kazamezo I still don’t understand how bloodborne’s graphics look so much better then ds3 even though dark souls came out a year later
TheRenegadeSaint uhhhhhhhhhh not at all
Itz Deathstroke eh each to their own I guess
@@gibraltar2843 they for some reason made ds3 60% bloodborne both graphically and gameplay wise, resulting in a weird game with fast enemies of bloodborne but with shields and very greyish bland look
@@gibraltar2843 Sony
Also “Azathoth” is a metaphor for the reader
Did he mention this in a letter or what?
Now I'm wondering how Sekiro and Elden Ring fit into all this.
Elden Ring imo feels like it takes place outside of time in general for some reason, it's a big island in the middle of nowhere with vague timelines. It would be interesting to see where it might fit, if it does
Sekiro being in a feudal ish Japan, would be in between DS3 and Bloodborne if an eventual Feudal and Victorian age is ever achieved, since Dark Souls has thousands of years pass and still stuck in the medieval Europe era
The urd tree is the new firelink, maybe the ashen one of DS3 made the new world we play in. (A world where people recognize forces greater than that of the gods)
@@oghaze9318 and a world where giants still have their faces xd
see, souls are used by maidens to strengthen hollows... Runes are used by maidens to strengthen Tarnished... perhaps it's a retelling of the same story from a different point of view?
imean Melina refers to us as a traveller beyond the "fog" so im guessing when the lords tried to dispell the fog created by the old one, they didn't actually manage to get all of it out. or maybe the timeline of ER is much closer to demon's souls as it is in dark souls.
Pacthes is in 4 of the 5 games. The theory holds!
Umbasa...
Embwyr Patches is also in Armored Core 4.
He's only in the games because he's Miyazaki's trademark. It's a franchise staple at this point. He doesn't connect anything.
Patches is the old one
Patches is a spider in bloodborne, worships an amygdala and tries to sacrifice you. I argue hes reincarnated or something. Technically in all games though o.o
Patches is actually in all 5 games: Patches in Demon's Souls, Trusty Patches in DS1, Pate in DS2, Unbreakable Patches in DS3, and Patches the Spider in Bloodborne.
I think it was a mistake that the games weren't connected through narrative, but I just love the idea of _each_ Souls/Bourne game being a sequel that only the hardcore knows about. I bet some of the devs thought about it too, otherwise this theory wouldn't sound so deceitfully plausible.
They do throw in easter eggs and such like Patches tho, he is in EVERY game in some shape or form.
And I don't think Vaati's choice of words in 'Dishonest' is really accurate to the idea here. At the very least, as art, it's undeniable that they are connected. That we don't have a definable and indisputable fact from anyone doesn't make this less true, necessarily.
The moonlight greatsword is a great example of how to connect the series, it has been guiding a certain player in their quest since back in demon souls some examples are seath, benhart of jugo, ocerios the consumed king and ludwig in bloodborne.
moonlight greatsword is a lot older than demon souls so why not connect kingsfield and its predecessors?
kings field even had two dragon gods, the black dragon guyra, and and the white dragon seath.
im not too familiar with the lore of shadow tower but the lack of music and lovecraftian, pitch black world feels very familiar in the modern age.
This weekend just got a whole lot better!!!
VaatiVidya, you're the pinnacle of Soulsborne storytelling!! Been a fan since the very first Prepare to Cry and LOVED every video since. Hope all is well, much Love and.....
"Don't you dare go Hollow!"
"I have no name"
>is in Solaire-Nameless king outfit
>Lmao
Martijn ten Veldhuis Solaire = Nameless King Confirmed!
Solaire
Sol aire
Sole Heir
Dhany Arrozie are you the new vaati?
Or possibly Sol Heir, or heir of the Sun/the Sun's power, aka Gwyn or one of his progeny.
1:13 this is kinda what makes these games so superior to AAA games in 2019. It doesn't matter if you're right, it's more that no one has answers but we are all curious. It's a fantasy world. Anything MIGHT be true and if it's entertaining for consumers, why CAN'T it be true?
Idk I just think idle speculation is precisely why I think From Software nailed the art of storytelling without "telling" the story.
The mystery is the value.
I wouldn't group every AAA game but otherwise I do agree, the debate between pate and Creighton in ds2 alone makes you wonder if your siding with a murderer or an even crazier murderer
Like this: pate gives you a copy of his gear, just to get Creighton to think your him, but what if pate was the murderur the map guy warns you about, and pawned off his set to Creighton to trick people who knew him?
it starts a rabbit hole of paranoia that just keeps on going
gives me conniptions...
I don't think there was ever the intention to make the games directly related, however I think having these loose hints was not an accident, and while the direct connections may or may not be there, I don't think it necessarily matters as the themes that they are trying to push still have the same meaning.
Patches being in every game kinda says like “hey these games are connected, just figure out the universe order.”
Did you forget about Aldrich's vision of an Age of Deep Sea? It seems like that links the world of DS and Bloodborne even further as he probably saw that layer of nightmare with the fishing village where we find Kos' body close to a "bottomless sea".
I really can't explain it in my own words lol. Just check out the Bloodborne DLC video about "Mother Kos' Wrath" from the channel. I'd also like to point out that Saint Aldrich kinda looks like a Great One when we encounter him in DS3.
Interesting... That theory also reinforces the fact that Dark Souls III is set before the world of Bloodborne.
That is Rom The Vacuous Spider
Noveske or maybe artist tend to use the same themes in their art. It's what we might call having a "style"
yes but if artists wish to stay ahead of the curve they have to learn new art styles and techniques, so to say that is pretty invalid, in art they teach you many different styles some of which you will tend to favor. like for example for a gamer, we like certian games and tend to stick to those games, for me i dislike sports games, i like shooters so its obvious which im going to stick to and avoid, but for an avid change of pace, ill move to a racing game. artists will avoid styles they dislike, stick to what they like and use something different they prefer to give their audiences something different. so in this case of the bloodbourne, souls games etc. its possible very possible even that theres a past, present and then future, dark souls being the more present, bloodbourne the future, and so on so forth. in the case that chester was brought up in the dark souls DLC lets face it have you seen another character not adorned in some sort of armor? who wears coats and cloth of plain clothing, sure the robes of priests are plain but theyre inbued with a sort of power. and in chesters case also his weaponry is curious to, my point being is hes not from around there lol not in the least. and being swept to the past by a powerful being whos to say chester was from bloodbourne (darksouls future futrue) and dragged back to the world of darksouls? theres no evidence suggesting its not possible? but there is some that it is.
3:57 Came from the ocean you say, so is this what Aldrich the Devourer of Gods saw?
Get your *Tinfoil hats* ready, Vaati just uploaded a new video !
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Lmao i was just thinking this
they have no ties :/ i don't need a hat just a dislike button... (jk though)
i see you in every fucking channel wtf
Lmao I get it and im stupid
The smoldering lake tunnels in ds 3 reminded me of some chalice dungeons
I just took that as they cut and pasted some of the assets in making those.
6:30 That's actually the opposite of entropy
Finally someone gets it
I was literally going to leave that comment
Very true, i thought about that too. But i want to point out that is not necessarily true either. If we consider the collection of all the possible states of a souls' universe, since we do not know the physics of a world in which magic is prominent and in general has fantasy setting, nothing prevents the set of states in which most souls are gatherend into one being to be bigger then the set of states in which the souls are split almost equally between every creature. I know it sounds crazy, but one could consider evidence the fact that lords of cinder gathered souls to burn them and link the fire over and over and then deduce that the natural world tendency is toward a state in which one being detains all the souls.
Personally i think that collecting souls is not a natural tendency, since it requires work and actually stores a lot of energy, which strenghten the character and can later be combusted to link the fire. Altough in ds3 we face the truth that this process is not providing that much energy anymore, meaning that the whole universe has shifted to an higher entropy state.
On a large enough time scale this is still fine. But in principle, yessir; your words, dark though they be, ring true....
Depends how you interpret entropy. To me the homogenous soup of base that the universe is heading towards is the ultimate state of order, whereas chaos is what we have right now with the random mixtures of particles that make up matter. In a perfect entropy state where everything is in perfect balance and nothing happens, size and distance lose their meaning so you could argue that in the world of soulsborne, one being concentrating all of the souls in the universe is actually the ultimate entropy.
But hey, I might be completely wrong
i dont know anything about demon souls and bloodborne, so i found this very convincing! i like the idea its fun :)
I only played bloodborne
My theory - Demon'souls good ending >>>bloodborne
Demon' souls bad ending>>> dark souls
so they are both bad endings.
@@masonjones7777 Yes mate.
So your going off of the split universe theory
Lol so the world goes to shit anyway. feelsbadman
They both have something in common
both timelines are nightmares to live in
I just came back to this and it's so amazing how well everything fits together, and if you look at release dates it seems as if it was all planned from the beginning.
you could make a religion out of this
No don't.
What What is it legal to love Flying Spaghetti Monster yet?
*covenant
This is the basis of Scientology
Do you want to go insane? Because that's how you go insane.
“Latria, which you should remember form your ptsd if you’ve played the game”
Honestly, it makes enough sense that the stories link given the nature of them and the themes.
But, I see some mentions of the "Moonlight" sword. That's a From Software signature of sorts. The Armored Core games have a laser blade weapon that can also fire a blade beam, which is called "Moonlight" in some form. So that one might have to be discarded, unless you wanna make the stretch that Armored Core is also linked. Hahah.
Armored Core is the future of the Bloodborne timeline after humanity has moved beyond gods and dragons. There are actually "magical" elements in the Armored Core series that characters can't explain, including strange energies and mechs with power beyond physical limitation. So if Armored Core is canonically sci-fi, with unexplained magical phenomenon, there's no reason to believe it can't fit into a future narrative.
And now AC6 is confirmed as the follow up to Elden Ring... being spearheaded by Miyazaki.
@@chrismanuel9768 I really would find it amusing if there was more implications to connect the worlds that way.
0:31 id imagine the 4 lords just sitting at a bonfire and leveling up after they found the souls