Motherboard prices have been idiotic lately. Even for a 2000 dollar build, a 150 dollar motherboard should be a very good fit. But these days 150 is the absolute minimum for a semi-decent board. Which blows.
That's why I am going to stick with my 5800X. The motherboard it's in, sadly, is a Asus Rog Strix B450-f, which only has PCIe 3.0 graphics and NVMe storage..... But, maybe the RDNA 3 GPUs and the PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives wont be any slower, for gaming, than higher specs...... Unless RDNA 3 GPUs run more than 10% slower in a PCIe 3.0 system vs 4.0 or 5.0..... AND unless direct storage technology for gaming runs a lot worse on PCIe 3.0 systems vs 40. or 5.0, ..... at WORST I'll need to upgrade my mobo to an X570..... while I upgrade my GPU and NVMe..... at least I would get to keep my 5800X and 4X8 RAM kit(4600 16-19-19-36)
I payed 330 back in April for a ddr4 MSI Z690 Edge Wifi and it's got 4 or 5 pcie 4.0 m.2 slots and I felt like I got a decent deal. I just had a few requirements I needed and that left me with a mid range board. 1. 2 X 3.0 A and 1 Type C front I/O 2. Optical audio port for my headset and 3. Future memory and RGB capability. Those 3 things really did make the selections limited. Oh and I wanted a power delivery of 15+1+1 or better.
@@Dennzer1 your motherboard is a lot better than mine (asus prime z390m plus) my cpu is i79700kf my motherboard kind of sucks i wish i bought z390 tuf gaming
Yeah I spent $500 on a motherboard in June (it's now up to $600 at the same place I got it). for the features / chipset I wanted there was an Asus Tuf for $250 (cdn) buut i hate that mustard yellow so i paid literally double for an all black one (still asus. yes i could have gone other brands but i like asus hardware...for now). Crosshair Viii dark hero is what I got. What i wanted was the tuf x570 pro wifi but didnt want the gross yellow haha
@@jahkareramkissoon419 Exactly. Luckily for some of us we can fork out at the expense, but we money wise, but the smart thing to do is spend it wisely and patienently and not complain Day 1 on something that we could've avoided.
@@gglovato But, you can do this, part out and build it later when issue are addressed and looked at. That way you don't need to reset Bios when a Bios update is released for your Mobo. Just be patient and dude, you can shits not going anywhere. Not even released yet.
It would be nice with more 4x4x4x4 bifurcation pci-e 16x slots, for nvme. Before you had to sacrifice the GPU into a worse slot, if you even had bifurcation on the motherboard.
Now you don't need a GPU, support for ECC memory with 4xNVME drives and 8 lanes left for disk/network controller slots would make a nice server system so long as you don't need more than a 64GB memory kit. Using 4 slots can reduce memory speed to DDR4 levels.
Having two PCIE Gen 5 slots that both support 4x4 bifurcation would be nice for those of us who want to run a lot of fast nvme storage on a pcie card. Loading game dev assets, working with large files, etc.
Unfortunately, no standard desktop CPU has that many PCI-E Lanes. You have to move into the workstation/server (Threadripper/Xeon/Epyc) class CPUs to get enough PCI-E Lanes to make having two 4x4 slots make sense.
I have an x570 paired with a 5600x, so I'm not moving up. I feel that AMD got away with 5000 series pricing in the eyes of most consumers, because of the abundance of affordable motherboards that were already out. The price didn't seemed too bad even if you were building from scratch. This time things aren't the same at all. I usually skip a new platform on its first generation anway.
Same here. Just upgraded from a 3600X to a 5900X on a very good Asus TUF X570, and I couldn't be happier. No reason at all to upgrade any soon, and I mean several years!
@@goytabr I'm not planning to upgrade more than once in a decade after getting a high end zen3 honestly. 5950x or 5900x, maybe even an X3D three years after I first built it and that should be good at least from 2020-2028 on this system.
I have a ten year old AMD system. I don't know which CPU I have. The CPU fan has stopped working. Sometimes the computer freezes and I have to close it down. I will be updating to The new Ryzen 7600X and AM5 motherboard probably with B650 motherboard. I will wait until the bugs are out of the system in at least 3 months time. I will get it sometime in 2023 when prices start to come down. I am an AMD fanboy. The main reason is that I like the idea that the motherboard lasts for years before it gets updated. I also like the idea that it is 5nm technology and so uses less power for its performance compared to Intel.
Going to wait for a few months so the bugs in the BIOS are all ironed out and maybe the X3D versions will be out by that time and would love to see the comparisons in games with that version of the 7000 processor.
@@michaelgleason4791 If raptor lake is going to beat them like it looks like it probably will and intel is priced better also then yes they will prob ces 2023 unveil the x3d because that would put them over the edge to regain the crown of "fastest" cpu.
Yeah I can see Motherboard manufacturers using this for extra storage slots on the board instead of PCIE slots or for those PCIE storage expansion boards at least. Unless they find a way to make their graphics cards stack without needing the devs to specialize parallel graphics is dead. Only other thought is for cheap mining rigs, these probably got designed before the crash?
Can't believe I'm able to say "Remember the good ol' days (a year ago) when a very good motherboard could be had for just over $100?" It's honestly sad that motherboards are becoming so expensive yet can't even bother putting any of that money into basic things such as post code displays, power and reset buttons, bios flashback, etc....
Yeah, but that's why I've got mine, and quite frankly given my last board was literally a PIECE OF S%$& Dell OEM board that still made the beeping sounds, it's amazingly refreshing. Basically, Dell is like that PC version of the neglectful parent who makes you overcompensate into eating cake and ice cream all day, and that is why I got my $300 x570 Taichi board. Because now I get to eat post codes and great features for breakfast and dinner. BIOS flashback, my God even my ARGB got fucked for the longest time until I realized I could do a software flashback and it fixed it. I thought the traces or chip itself was blown. It's why I'll always spread the gospel of needing a good board. A house divided cannot stand against itself, and a board is like a foundation to a house, a system built on a bad board will be washed away like the sands of 11th gen Intel.
True. What also annoys me, when buying a high priced notebook, and the Vendor software on it, is some mixture between useless bloatware and some total pathetic programmed Chinese spy software. And you can't even choose. Every Vendor has his own Crapware on it. Just to adjust the RGB on my keyboard, i need to install a bunch of services, which will choke my new system. This went all in some wrong direction. The customers became way too soft and benevolent with the products.
@@janvollgod7221 I mean honestly...it's more a problem on 14nm++++++++++++++ lol. Just because I'm rocking this 4th gen CPU and by God, the f'in thing actually throttles and stutters while I'm just trying to download a Steam license and play a video at the same time 1080p. Which is why you need moar cores. I've stated this a million times probably but basically 4 cores is not enough because it can't use all the other shit you got running on, especially not a YT music video in the background, and then have all that RGB software which yes, I've got one for my mouse, one for my CPU cooler, and another one for my total board output. Plus you've got all these things like GOG Galaxy and Epic and whatever other launchers like Steam on that it can be a real problem, but I'm often skeptical people telling me the bloatware somehow is supposed to hog 8 cores.
i went all out last week and did my first amd pc in 12 years got me a 5700g mid range gigabyte ud mb already had the 32gb ram ready form the old system and a 3070ti ftw3 . felt like a amazing deal to me going form a 1080ti and i7700k to this is day and light diffrence . i only upgrade every 5 to 6 year so i feel like i got best bang for my buck with all the sales on due to the move in am5 to ddr5 and the 4000 vidia cards knocking on the door .
And also you get all the matured support from tweaking the initial issues. My first upgrade was to an i7 4790k when the 6700k launched and DDR4 was introduced into the mainstream CPU's. Not only were the DDR3 sticks and the Z97 boards cheaper, but also Z170 had some issues from firmware, RAM compatibility and the infamous "bendgate" since they used a thinner substrate for the CPU. That setup lasted me 6 years until in summer 2021 went with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. I hope I can squeeze another 6 years of that combo :)
I built a gen 3 i5 build which ended up as a 4th gen 4770 build in 2013 and only platform swapped in November 2019 when I shifted to a B450 build when I picked up an R7 1700 for £80. I waited because up until then there was still issues with DDR4 on Ryzen builds(and because I didn't want to spend £300+ on a chip). By the time I sold off parts from the gen4 build the swap was done for the £100 I spent on the PCB so I had money left to update the storage. I swapped out my 120GB M2 SATA boot drive for a 1/2TB Samsung NVMe and the 120GB 2.5 SATA(my first SSD) for a 1TB Crucial CX drive. I recently swapped out the 1700 for a cheap R5 5500 to freshen the machine up as a stop gap to AM5. IMO the biggest draw of Ryzen is the flexibility and value you can find on AM4. I have had the opposite experience from AMD compared to Intel, on Intel I had no upgrade path after a couple of years where I still have a metric tonne on AM4 nearly 3 years in.
Ehhh yes and no, the MSRPs were already so sky high that none of the deals are particularly impressive to me given that they're now 2 years old hardware right before the next launch and still costing more or less their MSRP, which again I thought was freaking nuts on some of those. You remember what Maxwell and Pascal era prices were, compared to MSRP now, and no that's got nothing to do with monetary inflation that's just sheer greed in the same way a landlord actively plans to charge you a couple hundred bucks more on rent every single year. That's all it is, is a greedy landlord shifting the goal posts. The only thing I was really impressed on with GPU sales was the $700 RX 6900XT I found on newegg, and admittedly even that was like, it's basically just a golden sample 6800XT, even though it's still comparably like a 3090 or not. But yeah, pretty funny seeing things change, 7700k and 1080ti was the shit. Still is tbqh, I'd still not have a reason to upgrade on that system without getting a 4k monitor, which is the only reason I'm thinking of an upgrade next gen. Although I guess a 1440p144hz would be pretty nice too.
@@TheMC1X I'm looking at my 3700x/x570/32gb of 3600mhz RAM as basically a ten year platform. Basically, I get swayed to switch from Intel and pretty happy with it, even though I can't do a real overclock, software is super nice compared to what I was used to anyway with Ryzen Master and Adrenalin. Am figuring a later Zen3 upgrade to 5950x to crown this system, an extra 2x16gb of RAM towards the end of its lifetime, and a 7700XT or something like that should last me 10 years before I even need a new one, and even at that I could probably just get an RX 8800XT or RTX 5080 or something like that and still be power gaming after 2027 unless the world ends.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 I upgraded after 6 years because the TIM on my 4790k dried, so it was unbearable the heat. Also needed more CPU horsepower for work, so I figured it would be a good moment to upgrade. And don't forget about CPU single core perfomance. While on games I thought I was fine with my 4790k, with the 3700X I noticed I gained between 5-15% more frames on 1080p (depending on how CPU bound the game was). From Zen 2 to Zen 3 you'd gain quite a bit on the SC department, but the money would be better spent on a 5800X3D or a 5900X if you do CPU work. 5950X for anything but work is stupid
Had upgraded a couple years ago to a Ryzen 3700x and don't see a need for a whole platform change for some time yet. Still excited to see how the new processors and motherboards will perform.
@@coard123 trying to get a newer GPU. That was next on the upgrade path when the prices took a massive increase. Limping along with an RX470. Thankfully prices have gotten somewhat better and now saving up the money to get the card I want.
Z690 prices were pretty insane too at release, especially DDR5 ones and the overpriced ram sticks. Happy to see them go LGA. Good video as always Jay Edit: Typos, grammar sry
@@jackbui2944 Your probly right on that... I haven't had enough coffee yet. But I do remember a time when you could socket an AMD CPU directly into an Intel motherboard. That there would really mess with Intel if they brought back those CPUs to take more of Intel's loyal followers..
I have been putting off my upgrade plans since the pandemic hit, after following the price trends for two years I think I now take more pleasure in planning future upgrades than actually doing it.
Currently using a 3600. It is doing fine, just fine. I don't plan to upgrade until the 2nd gen AM5 chips come out. Giving AMD a chance to refine and perfect seems like the way to go. Also, maybe Intel will get it together by that time and have something worth consideration. Willing to think about either, I just want stable performance.
If you are going for X670E then get one with USB4 included. Apart from the DDR5 support this will be the new feature that will keep your build working until 2025 as new USB devices are released. Given the lack of PCIe slots on most boards USB upgradability will be key.
The extreme boards seem useful for gaming vm's passing through a second gpu while still using the first one in linux, being able to use linux and windows simultaneously.
With the X670E having two graphics card slots, I can see that being used for a streaming rig (one graphics card for encoding stream ops, one for running whatever game is playing) OR being used for an INTERNAL capture card.
You can put a an 3060 in a PCI-E 4 by 8 slot and you would not notice any difference in encoding performance. The bandwidth to copy a frame across is so small. Uncompressed: 3820*2160*4*60=1980288000 in bytes. That's 1.9GB per second. And that is less than a single PCI-E 4 (not 5) x1 lane. Compressed it goes from the PC to the TV through the HDMI cable, so... PCI-E 5 x16 is not needed.
I think the other thing to consider with the price of these boards, at least on the AMD side, is that they are supposed to last for many generations (again). That seems to me there will be less sales then board partners are used to on the Intel side. I'm planning on holding on to my AM4 for a good-long while. I think it will keep meeting my needs for now.
Basically AM4 has been there for the whole lifespan of DDR4 (at least on AMD side, who started DDR4 later than Intel), so I expect AM5 to last for the entire lifespan of DDR5 (at least I hope so). So we could very well be able to upgrade our CPU on those boards until maybe 2030. That's why I think the second PCIe Gen5 slot doesn't have to be for a second GPU but just an expansion PCIe that will be the standard for most PCIe peripherals in a few years. And there are less PCIe slots nowadays so it's not even that much of a luxury. Same for the USB4 or the 10GbE. The X670E Creator is a pretty good deal in that regard. It IS expensive but not that much, about 470$ currently, and it might be worth it in the long run. I know very well that financially speaking, it may not be that good to spend more once and keep stuff longer, but it's at least more ecological imo.
I will be getting an AM5 mobo and CPU, but I'm waiting until the rough edges get buffed out. I'll be going with a 7700X and probably a 3080 or maybe a 3090 depending on where the prices are before the 40 series launch. I initially wanted a 5800X3D, but I figured screw it the X3D is like $450+ while the 7700X is $399
I've got a 5800X3D and a 6900XT. I won't be upgrading for a few years. The only exception I can think of is if RDNA3 supports AV1 encoding like the Intel GPUs. If that happens I'll consider getting a 7800/7900XT for a streaming fidelity upgrade.
I bought am X570 for my 3600 knowing it would cope with the 5000 series of chips with ease. I'm now on a 5600x with the potential of upgrading to a 5950 or 5800xd should I wish. Buy good and buy once!
Definitely going to wait on AM5. I need a new build now though, so I will be getting 5800x build put together, so I may only have the CPU, mobo and RAM as the cost next year for the X3d models
Jay, I suspect the purpose of the second PCIE 5.0 port is actually to put in a NVMex4 card into that slot so that you can have all the NVMe going without taking up so much board space.
Personally I'm planning to stick to AM4 with an upgrade to R5 5600(X depending on price difference value). I've always been behind the curve with new tech so I don't mind. I'm sticking to AM4 because I really can't afford the modern prices for gear, and I REALLY don't want to have to buy a new GPU to minimize bottlenecking since I'm running a GTX 1660. I'm sure there will still be a bottleneck between the 5600X, and my GPU, but still way less expensive than a completely new platform. I remember when the CPU, and board were almost pennies on the dollar compared to the GPU, and RAM, and always wondered why. Like, why was the mobo, and CPU's combined price still cheaper than the mid-range GPUs? Now I get a much better idea why, but it still always felt weird to me that the literal brain, and cranium of the PC was cheaper than the eyeballs, lol.
GPUs are pretty cheap at the moment if you are not interested in getting the 4000 series. The RTX 3060 12gb can easily be had right now for under 400 dollars which isn't an amazing deal, but it is probably as good as we will get unless serious price overhauls occur next gen.
I call it the Pentaverate of Bugs. Intel or AMD, this generation is not something I would get even if price was irrelevant. First gen of any big AMD motherboard platform upgrade is also unlikely to be as compatible. AMD only said 3 years of support too, that's only 1 more than Intel, and AM4 boards didn't manage it well with Zen3. 1)PCIe 5.0 2)DDR5 3)New CPU architecture 4)New chipset 5)Maybe new GPU too
@@darinsteele7091 Please read my full comment for more context, I said later that they were the best we will probably see until the GPU market sees a big overhaul. We can already guess that the 40 series is only going to be worse pricewise than 30 series and scalping will only make that worse.
I would actually like to see Crossfire / SLI come back. Maybe some people with a lesser card could pick up one more and extend the life of their system.
In one sense it feels like a scam to say "hurr hurr here have feature to make you buy a whole 'nother card" but on the other, I literally was looking at boards like can this run SLI/Crossfire. But I mean, you actually can still do that anyway, it's just not super effective or stable (they never were super stable and reliable). Like AMD literally didn't even advertise this so I only found out about it through sheer nerdom of tons of tech stuff I watch and read that I found stumbling on accident that you CAN CrossFire your 5600XT or 5700XT. You don't even need the connectors just pop in another one and some games it actually works, which is super super neat. But then yeah, the issue is with nVidia's constant different proprietary bridges that don't work for each other and are super expensive etc. and that they only even offer it now for their highest range cards, which I thought about getting a 2070 super for that very reason. I looked at the 2070 and thought, nah it hasn't got SLI. SLI mattered to me more than DLSS ever will. So I do think that it's scammy that they are still offering it on their halo products, but refuse to enable it on 60's and 70s anymore just because the kind of people to buy those cards absolutely would save money by buying a used second card. All that stated, Jay is basically right. It's so hit or miss and requires devs coding that it's become pretty much pointless. Main reason why it's pointless though? Look at dem thermals and power efficiencies. Can you even imagine Crossfiring or SLI'ing two 450w cards?? That's insane! I guess a 4060 it's "fine" but even still, that amount of power draw is going to be nuts. My 850w already can't handle two 5700XTs without tripping (I have enough other shit going on inside that 450w+ GPU usage is a no go basically).
My first B350 motherboard from 2018 was an Asrock board and that thing was great. I used it all the way until last year and it cost me less than 70 bucks. I think even 200 dollars for a motherboard is insane, I hate how that has become the norm
Generally, well past the, "I should upgrade" point with my aging Haswell-E setups, but while the itch was there the budget wasn't. I've been watching Ryzen for a while now and definitely have wanted to get in on the fun. Probably going to look at X670, but I may slide towards a B series board depending on connectivity on the specific boards. If I don't see much I like then I may just go Ryzen 5000 as running not current gen hardware is definitely not a concern of mine even if it is a lot of fun.
If you are coming from Haswell, i would recommend AM4 with X570, because it is so cheap & reliable right now. You dont need X670/B650, DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 NVMe, because it is too expensive and therefore not the sweetspot. The money you will save, can go into more DDR4, more NVMe PCIe 4.0 or RTX 4000 and that will boost your FPS even more. This is why you choosed Haswell years ago, and kept running it until today, because it was the end of the line super sweetspot.
I'm running the 5800X3D right now. I suspect I'll wait until Zen 5 to move up to the AM5 platform. DDR5 ought to be much cheaper by then, and most of the bugs should be worked out, as well.
5800X3D here as well (but in a mini-ITX build). Im undecided. I love that my current custom loop can be used to cool the AM5 platform too, but my main concern is power. I got a corsair 750W SFX and adore it, but would it be enough? Also, out of curiosity I looked at the currently available DDR5 on newegg and I dont see the point. Sure the frequency is higher, but so is the CAS latency to the point of DDR4 being faster overall (10ns vs 8.88ns). Im not sure what AMD offering Id have to wait for in order to be motivated to replace my cpu, mobo, ram and possibly power supply along with remaking custom silicone cables. Juice might not be worth the squeeze.
I recently upgraded to 6E wifi and it has changed my opinion on utilizing wifi. I'm still moving forward with re-wiring my entire house from CAT5E to CAT6 but, it is nice for the machines that have moved and don't have a ethernet port yet.
great video, typically always go with the mid tier option (b series etc) since that typically strikes a good feature set for the price. My only real complaint with B550 is that most motherboards had 5 USB A ports on the back IO, but the gen4 support was nice
I'm definitely going to wait until next spring at least to see how the new AMD stuff turns out, the power creep on Intel and Nvidia are just getting ridiculous. I've been an Intel/Nvidia fanboy and the new AMD stuff has really caught my eye.
yeah, amd is doing some fine stuff across the board since they got some money to work with. i also wouldn't put it past amd to bring back crossfire as the mcm gpu's are already bringing up the crossfire in the software, won't be that hard to do it with 2 gpu's from that point.
I'm adopting AM5 but as usual I'm waiting to copy one of your builds like I've done in the past. I need a Pc for a Sim rig (7600x) and a separate pc for a music DAW. I'll be waiting to see what you build over the next 6 months.
Just upgraded to Ryzen 7 2600X and Gigabyte B450 Aorus Wi-Fi Pro. Hoping to get a 30 series GPU soon. Not planning on jumping into the AM5 pool for quite a long time. If anything, I will look into getting a Ryzen 9 on the AM4 socket. Fits my needs perfectly.
If you are worried about budget then don't get AM5 because being "DDR5 only" means it's going to be more expensive than any AM4 option for not much more performance.
I built my AM4 pc in august 2017 aorus x370 released february 2017, now 5 years later never had a problem. Maybe you gotta wait a few months before buying?
Not much perf ? This is the biggest generational jump for CPU and GPU ever, that will require the ddr5 advantage over ddr4 to work. Its more expensive but its a nuts gen
@@SoVeXeN People don't seem to understand so I will make it clear. Dollar for dollar you will get the same or close to it performance from AM4 as you do from AM5 right now. That's why I started with "If you are worried about budget".
@@Boots3962 Was talking dollar to dollar performance. Also, Ryzen 7000 doesn't need ddr5 to work, they are ddr5 only to force adoption (and probably because AMD has some new cheaper AM4 CPUs in the works since ddr4 will be around for a good while yet). Matter of fact current ddr5 is slower than mainstream ddr4. Common ddr4 is 3200-3600 so you would need to get ddr5 that's roughly 6400-7200 to match since the latency doubles.
waiting for benchmarks, I want to see how it compares with 5800x3d for example. I'm probably on my last Intel processor (10700k) unless they shock the crap out of me with the 13th gen. But it's a dead end platform with no upgrade path so that kind of kills it for me.
I'll be upgrading 1-2 months after launch. I'm curently still rocking the AMD TR 1950x and am looking foreward to the 7950x, this is going to be one heck of an upgrade! ^^
MGpu 6700xt X2 AMD reference was first slot and XFX was second slot and they bounced around and the sounded so cool working together ... remember if the people want it IT WILL HAPPEN. Multi Graphics Processing is NICE once you level all the parts and power and paste and pad.
I'm building an AM5 system at launch. I'm still using the Ryzen 1800X CPU, and a GTX1080. So i'm due for an upgrade. Gonna get the 7950 CPU, Probably the ASUS Extreme board, and when they release a 4080 or 4090 GPU. Also going to be building my first custom loop. Have never bent acrylic before, But I'll learn. Already bought the massive Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO case, so I can use some pretty damn large radiators. Going with a dual loop setup. CPU and GPU will each be on their own loop, with their own extra thick radiator. And then that system will hold me over for 3 - 5 years, like my current setup has.
Been using the 5600x and 6600 XT and could not be happier... no plans to move to the new Gen of CPU's or GPU's any time soon. i usually run a one or two Gens behind. my second rig is a 5600x on a B350 Motherboard of all things :) and 5700 XT still going strong with no issues.
Being recently disabled and out of work for the last year, this will be the 1st thing I won't be able to get the latest tech on launch day. And and looking at all of this and the cost, I'm thinking it's a blessing in disguise.
Definitely gunna adopt AM5, but it won't be immediately out the gate. Super keen for an RDNA3 reveal as well. Might end up going all Team Red for my next build!
the x670e and then the extra extreme are different. its regarding the chipset x670(e) and then the actual motherboard tier is that extra extreme. X670 and x670e have optional and mandatory hardware respectivley set by AMD. The board manufacturers then teir their own motherboard elite, master, extrme etx. So the chipset hardware using AMD set rules is the letter e denoting what is optional or mandatory telling both the consumer and manufacturer that the board has to have these hardware rules by default (with e) or not (non e). The same applies for the B650 and B650E
About to order the AMD Ryzen 5 7600x and Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX. I feel it'll last 8 to 10 years. My current desktop is an AMD A10-7850K - A-Series APU Kaveri Quad-Core and ASUS A88X-PRO FM2+ / FM2 that I built in 2014, which is still running strong. I don't game, it's primary function is to be a Plex media server with secondary functions being making videos from my GoPro, as well as being a basic workstation. I'm thinking I won't miss getting a higher end CPU or motherboard, and the occasional buffering issues I get with Plex will be a thing of the past.
Super excited for AM5. Saw this as my time to step up from a 3900x and a Crosshair Hero. With the overall cost, however, I think I'll hold out and wait for another year.
But why wouldn't you just drop in a 5950x instead? Are all you guys just using this for work and need the absolute fastest multicore processors available, but not so much you'd need an Epyc or something?
@@pandemicneetbux2110 Streaming, video editing, etc all on one PC makes the advantage of 3900/5900 very stand out. Gaming + video encoding at high bitrates via CPU, leaving your GPU open to handle the game is extremely helpful.
I can't even have a wired connection and have been gaming wireless for years now. And that on a very old USB 2.0 WIFI 4 Dongle. Worked like a charm until recently, when I encountered some kind of driver problem. I now have a Wifi 6 router and a Wifi 6 network card and of course it still works like a charm. Wireless isn't bad at all. Not the least.
there is that online store where since covid the cheapest compenement are almost never in stock, to forces you spends more. choosing the right store might be the first recommandation, because brands recommanded prices are respected anymore !!!
I work as s hardware engineer I design circuit boards all day. And there is a massive shortage of prepreg (the fiberglass) used to make complex pcb's. The general requirements for pcie gen5 are so crazy tight that I can't see any pcb fab getting better then 90% out of fab and that's not even an assembly just the raw pcb figure
10:00 doesn't have a ton of PCIe slots. That are usually covered by high-end graphics cards with triple slot designs anyways. I wonder when the first GPU with a quad slot design comes out.
According to a microcenter employee this past weekend of the Brentwood mo store, "we will definitely be doing a heavy discount on am5 motherboards along with pre-orders on the new zen 7000 processors. Additionally we are actually giving away boards for 13th gen raptor lake." Hint, go to microcenter and buy on launch.
Say the chip is an Intel AX210 its MSRP for off the shelf is 18~45 USD. For a company to add this onto the motherboard the correct way, you're adding $80~100 to an MSRP on the board. This to me isn't so unreasonable, but what is unreasonable is when they put a space on the board with an external chipset. you actually give up specific lanes. If you graduate your OLD PC to you NAS this may create a problem for some people. (Not nocking asrock,) The X570 Steel legend wifi is an example.) Many people work around this by removing the card, but I do a hybrid VM with wifi output for say a quest 2 directly for wireless setup. having it built into the board vs an additional card can make/break this scenario.
my plan was always waiting for AM5 and raptor lake to estabilize before upgrading. maybe 3rd quarter of 2023. will see what is the best match for my needs then
I have never been able to afford the bleeding edge of new components. But I now find my self with the ability to afford it. Could you do a video on how,where,when, for a newbie like myself to find all thew newest items?
i think it's just easier for general users to call it dual gpu slots since everyone knows pcie x16 is gpu's. but the potential for dual or quad NVME pcie 5.0 add-in card become an option.
The fact that pcie5 isn’t just included for gpus and nvme drives for all the boards is another reason I’m going to wait. This new generation/socket needs time to mature. Great video as usual. Thank you!!!
I'm building a i7 12700k build with a rtx 3080 fe. I'm still not a fan of amd just yet. I always had random driver issues with their products. Probably lots better now but I'll stick with nvidia for this build. Haven't decided on the MB yet. Just waiting a few more weeks to wait to see if the 3080 will come down in price before purchase. No matter what I'm going ddr5 and it's going to be done by October. Cant wait, so excited. I'm trying to go slowly so I don't regret missing a good savings that I could add to another part of the build.
Just a small note for people that think they really need WiFi 6e (802.11ax) compared to 5 (802.11ac). The main difference in speed (there are more improvements but I'm now comparing speed only) is about 3.4 Gbps (WiFi 5: ~3.5 Gbps & WiFi 6e: ~9.6 Gbps). Jay was talking about a gigabit speed which can be achieved even without 6e, keep that in mind
The full name, breaking down each acronym, for the MSI board is: Micro Star International Micro Star International Extreme Gamer X670Extreme Ace (Also Called Extreme according to Phil lol)
I won’t be upgrading for a while. I may get 3080TI but will wait for a while before adopting AM5. What I don’t get though is why aren’t the error code displays and clear CMOS buttons standard on all AM5 motherboards? I get they’re features that cost extra and for the base boards you don’t really need a clear CMOS as they aren’t necessarily meant for over clocking. But they’re helpful regardless and shouldn’t be much more to add to all boards. At least the error code display (not the tiny LED lights but the actual code display) shouldn’t be much of an extra cost per board to add.
I recently rebuilt my editing system and I'll probably do an AM4 CPU and GPU upgrade before I step up to an AM5 platform. My system works great so It'll be a while.
Tbh with my current setup - X570 + 5800X + 3080 im not going to upgrade this time around.. im gaming at 1440p - But ofc i am going to watch every thing you and the team are doing on what ever platform.. cant wait to see my current setup being destroyed the next couple of months :D
Having decent onboard wifi is definitely a good idea because ethernet ports die more often than you think. Two of my last four motherboards had the ethernet ports crap out on me. One totally died after ((I assume) lightning came down the line a few years ago, because both my router and ethernet port died together. And now the ethernet on my X570 board is restricted to 100mbps because of a problem on pins 7/8. But yea, I'm waiting on my upgrades to arrive in the next few days 7900x and an X670E Aorus Master, I always like to go _big_ on the motherboard, because it's probably the thing that you will regret the most when you run out of USB ports, or you're looking to connect something, but you can't because you cheaped out. To me the motherboard is kind of like choosing the extras you want in a new car; like you might think to save a few hundred quid by not getting air conditioning, but then you're cursing yourself when summer comes along because you're sweating like a priest in a Barney costume.
I'm going to wait and see. One of my PC i still use is an X79, with a GTX 980 and I didn't' upgrade until 2020 to an 3700X and a RTX 2070super. That's a HUGE time gap. I now have a 5800X3D with a 3070ti, plus a Steam Deck, plus the older PCs I mentioned, so I nave no need to get AM5. I'll wait and watch it mature like AM4 did, and depending on what Intel does, I'll choose when I feel like i need an upgrade. Besides I'm more likely to buy a new GPU before a whole new build anyway.
Jay in reference to the 2x Gen 5.0 GPU slots, possibly CXL it is standard and baked into the PCIe gen 5.0 spec, if you are not familiar i would recommend a white paper article to read on this, but it fixes every issue SLI and Crossfire had(Latency issues, overall stable bandwidth, VRAM Pooling, Scaling, and most importantly Software support levels are nil as its all done on Base Firmware BIOS level rather than through software from developers or needing continuous updates from NVidia/AMD or Engines/Developers) and we are seeing SSDs currently in Enterprise level using the technology and It was an Intel standard but in order to get the adoption in the Gen spec they had to open source it, NVidia and AMD are currently sitting on the board coalition. Gen 5 also has the benefit of being way faster than needed, but.....Chiplet design and MXM are on the way as well, NVidia is already using MXM for enterprise level servers, Everything trickles down usually in a gen or 2, this is a primer gen, I almost guarantee it, CXL takes all similar co processors and merges it to software(OS, Engine, Game) seeing 1 giant coprocessing unit . This is going to be interesting. This is laying groundwork, AMD knows people will be using this for amateur Workstation use like they did with X570 and the 3950X Processors. I would probably bet we will see Multi GPUs used again in the next 3-7 years as standard. The problem is NVidia, Intel and AMD all need to figure out a product stack because performance is out of their control, and they don't want repeats of the EVGA9800GX2 SSC and the 550TI cards as it can cause issues when product stacks are more powerful than they should be compared to higher tier more expensive products.
I have a 5900X and a 6900XT I got when I was made redundant from my old job and given severance. I'm probably good until at least next gen for both, esp as I probably won't be able to spend that kind of money again in this economy, so it will be when the high-mid range surpasses what I already have.
I was planning on a Z690-E Asus Strix board... it's 430$~ that's before shipping/warranty etc. I was thinking of getting a B660 board for 2-300$ less... just to get started. Hopefully there's a Z690-E board paired with a 13900KS later for a better deal by the time it comes out. The increase in pretty much everything over a B series board, makes me want to go ahead with the Z690-E. Hopefully some mobo prices will go down :)
I get the feeling the main difference between x670 & x670E is bifucation. It's a PITA comparing x570 boards, and an easy feature to overlook (running out of PCIe lanes isn't fun).
I got the X570 Aorus Xtreme board for looks. Besides all the USB connectivity, It's WAAY too much for me, but I have no regrets. Saying that, I plan on getting a X670 board because I don't really plan on OCing and don't want to wait for a B650 board and getting the 7600X to pair with the 6600XT.
Crossfire and Sli will only be a thing if and when it's just a matter of enabling it in the driver and there is no extra coding required on the part of software devs.
Thinking of high end am4 processor and motherboard might the most cost effective approach for this fall 2022. Perhaps in the Fall of 2023 prices for both will be much much more afforable.
Definitely going to be upgrading but planning on waiting a couple months since I'll probably end up installing proxmox. With the 7950x I think its going to be perfect for having a gaming vm, linux productivity vm and still be able to run a couple servers.
Motherboard prices have been idiotic lately. Even for a 2000 dollar build, a 150 dollar motherboard should be a very good fit. But these days 150 is the absolute minimum for a semi-decent board. Which blows.
That's why I am going to stick with my 5800X. The motherboard it's in, sadly, is a Asus Rog Strix B450-f, which only has PCIe 3.0 graphics and NVMe storage..... But, maybe the RDNA 3 GPUs and the PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives wont be any slower, for gaming, than higher specs...... Unless RDNA 3 GPUs run more than 10% slower in a PCIe 3.0 system vs 4.0 or 5.0..... AND unless direct storage technology for gaming runs a lot worse on PCIe 3.0 systems vs 40. or 5.0, ..... at WORST I'll need to upgrade my mobo to an X570..... while I upgrade my GPU and NVMe..... at least I would get to keep my 5800X and 4X8 RAM kit(4600 16-19-19-36)
For a $2,000 build, $250-$350 boards are what you’re looking at.
I payed 330 back in April for a ddr4 MSI Z690 Edge Wifi and it's got 4 or 5 pcie 4.0 m.2 slots and I felt like I got a decent deal. I just had a few requirements I needed and that left me with a mid range board. 1. 2 X 3.0 A and 1 Type C front I/O 2. Optical audio port for my headset and 3. Future memory and RGB capability. Those 3 things really did make the selections limited. Oh and I wanted a power delivery of 15+1+1 or better.
@@Dennzer1 your motherboard is a lot better than mine (asus prime z390m plus) my cpu is i79700kf my motherboard kind of sucks i wish i bought z390 tuf gaming
Yeah I spent $500 on a motherboard in June (it's now up to $600 at the same place I got it). for the features / chipset I wanted there was an Asus Tuf for $250 (cdn) buut i hate that mustard yellow so i paid literally double for an all black one (still asus. yes i could have gone other brands but i like asus hardware...for now).
Crosshair Viii dark hero is what I got. What i wanted was the tuf x570 pro wifi but didnt want the gross yellow haha
I’ll upgrade to AM5 eventually. Definitely not at first, those early issues can be so frustrating.
That early adoption fees and growing pains are going to be crazy
@@jahkareramkissoon419 Exactly. Luckily for some of us we can fork out at the expense, but we money wise, but the smart thing to do is spend it wisely and patienently and not complain Day 1 on something that we could've avoided.
sadly for me i'm tired of waiting, the more i wait the more expensive it gets
@@gglovato But, you can do this, part out and build it later when issue are addressed and looked at. That way you don't need to reset Bios when a Bios update is released for your Mobo.
Just be patient and dude, you can shits not going anywhere. Not even released yet.
ALWAYS wait 3-6 months, that is the average time it takes for them to find and work out bugs. Yeah, I know, Moores Law . . .
It would be nice with more 4x4x4x4 bifurcation pci-e 16x slots, for nvme. Before you had to sacrifice the GPU into a worse slot, if you even had bifurcation on the motherboard.
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Now you don't need a GPU, support for ECC memory with 4xNVME drives and 8 lanes left for disk/network controller slots would make a nice server system so long as you don't need more than a 64GB memory kit. Using 4 slots can reduce memory speed to DDR4 levels.
Having two PCIE Gen 5 slots that both support 4x4 bifurcation would be nice for those of us who want to run a lot of fast nvme storage on a pcie card. Loading game dev assets, working with large files, etc.
Unfortunately, no standard desktop CPU has that many PCI-E Lanes. You have to move into the workstation/server (Threadripper/Xeon/Epyc) class CPUs to get enough PCI-E Lanes to make having two 4x4 slots make sense.
@@shadowtheimpure you must be an intel cpu owner since before ryzen, tee hee. sucks to be limited to 20 cpu lanes.
@@aprilgeneric8027 No, I've got a 3900x. I just had a 'slip of the tongue' when I was trying to put Epyc.
@@shadowtheimpure you can have 40 by combining CPU and chipset lanes, but then you have to shell out for the higher end mobo, which is fair imo
@@shadowtheimpure main stream should have 40 this day and age, doesn't hedt today have like 96?
I have an x570 paired with a 5600x, so I'm not moving up. I feel that AMD got away with 5000 series pricing in the eyes of most consumers, because of the abundance of affordable motherboards that were already out. The price didn't seemed too bad even if you were building from scratch. This time things aren't the same at all. I usually skip a new platform on its first generation anway.
Same here. Just upgraded from a 3600X to a 5900X on a very good Asus TUF X570, and I couldn't be happier. No reason at all to upgrade any soon, and I mean several years!
@@goytabr I'm not planning to upgrade more than once in a decade after getting a high end zen3 honestly. 5950x or 5900x, maybe even an X3D three years after I first built it and that should be good at least from 2020-2028 on this system.
My cpu is i7 12700k + z690 and rtx 3060
I have a ten year old AMD system. I don't know which CPU I have. The CPU fan has stopped working. Sometimes the computer freezes and I have to close it down. I will be updating to The new Ryzen 7600X and AM5 motherboard probably with B650 motherboard. I will wait until the bugs are out of the system in at least 3 months time. I will get it sometime in 2023 when prices start to come down. I am an AMD fanboy. The main reason is that I like the idea that the motherboard lasts for years before it gets updated. I also like the idea that it is 5nm technology and so uses less power for its performance compared to Intel.
@@goytabr 8 years
Total Platform Cost & Upgrade paths should be taken into account far more than they regularly are.
True people think you buy only the cpu
But that can be counterbalanced by long term support which AMD has been very good about with AM4
@@Alovon ...because, when AM4 launched, AMD still had everything to prove to consumers. Now, they're on top of the game, so...
@@lamikal2515 They have already committed to 2025+ for am5. I don't think intel ever supported more than two gens on a socket.
@@mrfarts5176 "2025+" can be literally 2 gens though (zen 4 + 3d and zen 5 + 3d).
Going to wait for a few months so the bugs in the BIOS are all ironed out and maybe the X3D versions will be out by that time and would love to see the comparisons in games with that version of the 7000 processor.
Same
I am leaning there as well, to wait for x3D version of 7950x, but minimum price will be $799 according to leaks, maybe more.
No chance in hell are they releasing retooled versions only a few months after launch.
@@michaelgleason4791 If raptor lake is going to beat them like it looks like it probably will and intel is priced better also then yes they will prob ces 2023 unveil the x3d because that would put them over the edge to regain the crown of "fastest" cpu.
Ditto
Won't be crossfire. The 2nd slot can be used for 5.0 nvme expansions.
Yeah I can see Motherboard manufacturers using this for extra storage slots on the board instead of PCIE slots or for those PCIE storage expansion boards at least. Unless they find a way to make their graphics cards stack without needing the devs to specialize parallel graphics is dead. Only other thought is for cheap mining rigs, these probably got designed before the crash?
Can't believe I'm able to say "Remember the good ol' days (a year ago) when a very good motherboard could be had for just over $100?"
It's honestly sad that motherboards are becoming so expensive yet can't even bother putting any of that money into basic things such as post code displays, power and reset buttons, bios flashback, etc....
Yeah, but that's why I've got mine, and quite frankly given my last board was literally a PIECE OF S%$& Dell OEM board that still made the beeping sounds, it's amazingly refreshing. Basically, Dell is like that PC version of the neglectful parent who makes you overcompensate into eating cake and ice cream all day, and that is why I got my $300 x570 Taichi board.
Because now I get to eat post codes and great features for breakfast and dinner. BIOS flashback, my God even my ARGB got fucked for the longest time until I realized I could do a software flashback and it fixed it. I thought the traces or chip itself was blown. It's why I'll always spread the gospel of needing a good board. A house divided cannot stand against itself, and a board is like a foundation to a house, a system built on a bad board will be washed away like the sands of 11th gen Intel.
True. What also annoys me, when buying a high priced notebook, and the Vendor software on it, is some mixture between useless bloatware and some total pathetic programmed Chinese spy software. And you can't even choose. Every Vendor has his own Crapware on it. Just to adjust the RGB on my keyboard, i need to install a bunch of services, which will choke my new system.
This went all in some wrong direction. The customers became way too soft and benevolent with the products.
@@janvollgod7221 I mean honestly...it's more a problem on 14nm++++++++++++++ lol. Just because I'm rocking this 4th gen CPU and by God, the f'in thing actually throttles and stutters while I'm just trying to download a Steam license and play a video at the same time 1080p. Which is why you need moar cores. I've stated this a million times probably but basically 4 cores is not enough because it can't use all the other shit you got running on, especially not a YT music video in the background, and then have all that RGB software which yes, I've got one for my mouse, one for my CPU cooler, and another one for my total board output. Plus you've got all these things like GOG Galaxy and Epic and whatever other launchers like Steam on that it can be a real problem, but I'm often skeptical people telling me the bloatware somehow is supposed to hog 8 cores.
i went all out last week and did my first amd pc in 12 years got me a 5700g mid range gigabyte ud mb already had the 32gb ram ready form the old system and a 3070ti ftw3 . felt like a amazing deal to me going form a 1080ti and i7700k to this is day and light diffrence . i only upgrade every 5 to 6 year so i feel like i got best bang for my buck with all the sales on due to the move in am5 to ddr5 and the 4000 vidia cards knocking on the door .
And also you get all the matured support from tweaking the initial issues. My first upgrade was to an i7 4790k when the 6700k launched and DDR4 was introduced into the mainstream CPU's. Not only were the DDR3 sticks and the Z97 boards cheaper, but also Z170 had some issues from firmware, RAM compatibility and the infamous "bendgate" since they used a thinner substrate for the CPU.
That setup lasted me 6 years until in summer 2021 went with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. I hope I can squeeze another 6 years of that combo :)
I built a gen 3 i5 build which ended up as a 4th gen 4770 build in 2013 and only platform swapped in November 2019 when I shifted to a B450 build when I picked up an R7 1700 for £80. I waited because up until then there was still issues with DDR4 on Ryzen builds(and because I didn't want to spend £300+ on a chip). By the time I sold off parts from the gen4 build the swap was done for the £100 I spent on the PCB so I had money left to update the storage. I swapped out my 120GB M2 SATA boot drive for a 1/2TB Samsung NVMe and the 120GB 2.5 SATA(my first SSD) for a 1TB Crucial CX drive. I recently swapped out the 1700 for a cheap R5 5500 to freshen the machine up as a stop gap to AM5. IMO the biggest draw of Ryzen is the flexibility and value you can find on AM4. I have had the opposite experience from AMD compared to Intel, on Intel I had no upgrade path after a couple of years where I still have a metric tonne on AM4 nearly 3 years in.
Ehhh yes and no, the MSRPs were already so sky high that none of the deals are particularly impressive to me given that they're now 2 years old hardware right before the next launch and still costing more or less their MSRP, which again I thought was freaking nuts on some of those. You remember what Maxwell and Pascal era prices were, compared to MSRP now, and no that's got nothing to do with monetary inflation that's just sheer greed in the same way a landlord actively plans to charge you a couple hundred bucks more on rent every single year. That's all it is, is a greedy landlord shifting the goal posts. The only thing I was really impressed on with GPU sales was the $700 RX 6900XT I found on newegg, and admittedly even that was like, it's basically just a golden sample 6800XT, even though it's still comparably like a 3090 or not. But yeah, pretty funny seeing things change, 7700k and 1080ti was the shit. Still is tbqh, I'd still not have a reason to upgrade on that system without getting a 4k monitor, which is the only reason I'm thinking of an upgrade next gen. Although I guess a 1440p144hz would be pretty nice too.
@@TheMC1X I'm looking at my 3700x/x570/32gb of 3600mhz RAM as basically a ten year platform. Basically, I get swayed to switch from Intel and pretty happy with it, even though I can't do a real overclock, software is super nice compared to what I was used to anyway with Ryzen Master and Adrenalin. Am figuring a later Zen3 upgrade to 5950x to crown this system, an extra 2x16gb of RAM towards the end of its lifetime, and a 7700XT or something like that should last me 10 years before I even need a new one, and even at that I could probably just get an RX 8800XT or RTX 5080 or something like that and still be power gaming after 2027 unless the world ends.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 I upgraded after 6 years because the TIM on my 4790k dried, so it was unbearable the heat. Also needed more CPU horsepower for work, so I figured it would be a good moment to upgrade.
And don't forget about CPU single core perfomance. While on games I thought I was fine with my 4790k, with the 3700X I noticed I gained between 5-15% more frames on 1080p (depending on how CPU bound the game was).
From Zen 2 to Zen 3 you'd gain quite a bit on the SC department, but the money would be better spent on a 5800X3D or a 5900X if you do CPU work. 5950X for anything but work is stupid
Had upgraded a couple years ago to a Ryzen 3700x and don't see a need for a whole platform change for some time yet. Still excited to see how the new processors and motherboards will perform.
Same here, running 3700X CPU 5700XT GPU with 32GB 3200mhz RAM on a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro. Don't see any point in buying the new tech.
I'm on a 3700x, X570 Board with a RX6800 might try and pick up a 5900X on the cheap when folk start upgrading.
@@coard123 trying to get a newer GPU. That was next on the upgrade path when the prices took a massive increase. Limping along with an RX470. Thankfully prices have gotten somewhat better and now saving up the money to get the card I want.
Z690 prices were pretty insane too at release, especially DDR5 ones and the overpriced ram sticks. Happy to see them go LGA. Good video as always Jay
Edit: Typos, grammar sry
@@rknudson1407 Threadripper is/was LGA, wasn't it?
@@jackbui2944 probly.. haven't had my coffee yet
I dont like LGA :c motherboards are less bountiful than CPUs. LGA will make the problem worse.
@@jackbui2944 Your probly right on that... I haven't had enough coffee yet. But I do remember a time when you could socket an AMD CPU directly into an Intel motherboard. That there would really mess with Intel if they brought back those CPUs to take more of Intel's loyal followers..
It was pretty insaner
I have been putting off my upgrade plans since the pandemic hit, after following the price trends for two years I think I now take more pleasure in planning future upgrades than actually doing it.
Currently using a 3600. It is doing fine, just fine. I don't plan to upgrade until the 2nd gen AM5 chips come out. Giving AMD a chance to refine and perfect seems like the way to go. Also, maybe Intel will get it together by that time and have something worth consideration. Willing to think about either, I just want stable performance.
3600 is amazing proc
If you are going for X670E then get one with USB4 included. Apart from the DDR5 support this will be the new feature that will keep your build working until 2025 as new USB devices are released. Given the lack of PCIe slots on most boards USB upgradability will be key.
Hoping they will put USB4 on B650E boards
The extreme boards seem useful for gaming vm's passing through a second gpu while still using the first one in linux, being able to use linux and windows simultaneously.
With the X670E having two graphics card slots, I can see that being used for a streaming rig (one graphics card for encoding stream ops, one for running whatever game is playing) OR being used for an INTERNAL capture card.
That's exactly what I was going to comment too lol
I will stick to what I have right now. 3900x with 64 gig of ram and 3 video cards running 3 43 inch 4k monitors.
You can put a an 3060 in a PCI-E 4 by 8 slot and you would not notice any difference in encoding performance. The bandwidth to copy a frame across is so small. Uncompressed: 3820*2160*4*60=1980288000 in bytes. That's 1.9GB per second. And that is less than a single PCI-E 4 (not 5) x1 lane. Compressed it goes from the PC to the TV through the HDMI cable, so... PCI-E 5 x16 is not needed.
@@DavidAnderson-fr8ii nobody asked
So will this support SLI/X Fire?
I think the other thing to consider with the price of these boards, at least on the AMD side, is that they are supposed to last for many generations (again). That seems to me there will be less sales then board partners are used to on the Intel side.
I'm planning on holding on to my AM4 for a good-long while. I think it will keep meeting my needs for now.
Basically AM4 has been there for the whole lifespan of DDR4 (at least on AMD side, who started DDR4 later than Intel), so I expect AM5 to last for the entire lifespan of DDR5 (at least I hope so). So we could very well be able to upgrade our CPU on those boards until maybe 2030.
That's why I think the second PCIe Gen5 slot doesn't have to be for a second GPU but just an expansion PCIe that will be the standard for most PCIe peripherals in a few years. And there are less PCIe slots nowadays so it's not even that much of a luxury. Same for the USB4 or the 10GbE. The X670E Creator is a pretty good deal in that regard. It IS expensive but not that much, about 470$ currently, and it might be worth it in the long run.
I know very well that financially speaking, it may not be that good to spend more once and keep stuff longer, but it's at least more ecological imo.
I will be getting an AM5 mobo and CPU, but I'm waiting until the rough edges get buffed out. I'll be going with a 7700X and probably a 3080 or maybe a 3090 depending on where the prices are before the 40 series launch. I initially wanted a 5800X3D, but I figured screw it the X3D is like $450+ while the 7700X is $399
7700x and 6900xt or 6950xt for me because its better than 3080 and 3090 anyway.
I've got a 5800X3D and a 6900XT. I won't be upgrading for a few years. The only exception I can think of is if RDNA3 supports AV1 encoding like the Intel GPUs. If that happens I'll consider getting a 7800/7900XT for a streaming fidelity upgrade.
I'm pretty sure both 7000 and 4000 support AV1 mate
I bought am X570 for my 3600 knowing it would cope with the 5000 series of chips with ease. I'm now on a 5600x with the potential of upgrading to a 5950 or 5800xd should I wish. Buy good and buy once!
Wouldn't bother unless you can find one cheap used when the new chips come out and people foolishly sell all their old stuff.
@@Void-uj7jd Yes, I agree - in a couple of years maybe.
Definitely going to wait on AM5. I need a new build now though, so I will be getting 5800x build put together, so I may only have the CPU, mobo and RAM as the cost next year for the X3d models
Jay, I suspect the purpose of the second PCIE 5.0 port is actually to put in a NVMex4 card into that slot so that you can have all the NVMe going without taking up so much board space.
My motherboard came with a pcie nvme card holder
Personally I'm planning to stick to AM4 with an upgrade to R5 5600(X depending on price difference value). I've always been behind the curve with new tech so I don't mind. I'm sticking to AM4 because I really can't afford the modern prices for gear, and I REALLY don't want to have to buy a new GPU to minimize bottlenecking since I'm running a GTX 1660. I'm sure there will still be a bottleneck between the 5600X, and my GPU, but still way less expensive than a completely new platform.
I remember when the CPU, and board were almost pennies on the dollar compared to the GPU, and RAM, and always wondered why. Like, why was the mobo, and CPU's combined price still cheaper than the mid-range GPUs? Now I get a much better idea why, but it still always felt weird to me that the literal brain, and cranium of the PC was cheaper than the eyeballs, lol.
GPUs are pretty cheap at the moment if you are not interested in getting the 4000 series. The RTX 3060 12gb can easily be had right now for under 400 dollars which isn't an amazing deal, but it is probably as good as we will get unless serious price overhauls occur next gen.
Its a nice rig for playing Fornite. Good decision
I call it the Pentaverate of Bugs. Intel or AMD, this generation is not something I would get even if price was irrelevant. First gen of any big AMD motherboard platform upgrade is also unlikely to be as compatible. AMD only said 3 years of support too, that's only 1 more than Intel, and AM4 boards didn't manage it well with Zen3.
1)PCIe 5.0
2)DDR5
3)New CPU architecture
4)New chipset
5)Maybe new GPU too
@@_shadow_1 "GPUs are cheap" wtf are you talking about
@@darinsteele7091 Please read my full comment for more context, I said later that they were the best we will probably see until the GPU market sees a big overhaul. We can already guess that the 40 series is only going to be worse pricewise than 30 series and scalping will only make that worse.
I would actually like to see Crossfire / SLI come back. Maybe some people with a lesser card could pick up one more and extend the life of their system.
In one sense it feels like a scam to say "hurr hurr here have feature to make you buy a whole 'nother card" but on the other, I literally was looking at boards like can this run SLI/Crossfire.
But I mean, you actually can still do that anyway, it's just not super effective or stable (they never were super stable and reliable). Like AMD literally didn't even advertise this so I only found out about it through sheer nerdom of tons of tech stuff I watch and read that I found stumbling on accident that you CAN CrossFire your 5600XT or 5700XT. You don't even need the connectors just pop in another one and some games it actually works, which is super super neat.
But then yeah, the issue is with nVidia's constant different proprietary bridges that don't work for each other and are super expensive etc. and that they only even offer it now for their highest range cards, which I thought about getting a 2070 super for that very reason. I looked at the 2070 and thought, nah it hasn't got SLI. SLI mattered to me more than DLSS ever will. So I do think that it's scammy that they are still offering it on their halo products, but refuse to enable it on 60's and 70s anymore just because the kind of people to buy those cards absolutely would save money by buying a used second card. All that stated, Jay is basically right. It's so hit or miss and requires devs coding that it's become pretty much pointless. Main reason why it's pointless though? Look at dem thermals and power efficiencies. Can you even imagine Crossfiring or SLI'ing two 450w cards?? That's insane! I guess a 4060 it's "fine" but even still, that amount of power draw is going to be nuts. My 850w already can't handle two 5700XTs without tripping (I have enough other shit going on inside that 450w+ GPU usage is a no go basically).
Fun fact: the 'cuttle' in cuttlefish comes from the Old English word 'cudele', which means 'cuttlefish'
My first B350 motherboard from 2018 was an Asrock board and that thing was great. I used it all the way until last year and it cost me less than 70 bucks. I think even 200 dollars for a motherboard is insane, I hate how that has become the norm
Generally, well past the, "I should upgrade" point with my aging Haswell-E setups, but while the itch was there the budget wasn't. I've been watching Ryzen for a while now and definitely have wanted to get in on the fun. Probably going to look at X670, but I may slide towards a B series board depending on connectivity on the specific boards. If I don't see much I like then I may just go Ryzen 5000 as running not current gen hardware is definitely not a concern of mine even if it is a lot of fun.
Right there with you with my Devil's Canyon, but looking forward to the B650 version of the Creator boards.
If you are coming from Haswell, i would recommend AM4 with X570, because it is so cheap & reliable right now.
You dont need X670/B650, DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 NVMe, because it is too expensive and therefore not the sweetspot. The money you will save, can go into more DDR4, more NVMe PCIe 4.0 or RTX 4000 and that will boost your FPS even more.
This is why you choosed Haswell years ago, and kept running it until today, because it was the end of the line super sweetspot.
I'm running the 5800X3D right now. I suspect I'll wait until Zen 5 to move up to the AM5 platform. DDR5 ought to be much cheaper by then, and most of the bugs should be worked out, as well.
5950x here, same; upgrading every two ro three gens seems best for experiencing a real upgrade.
5800X3D here as well (but in a mini-ITX build). Im undecided. I love that my current custom loop can be used to cool the AM5 platform too, but my main concern is power. I got a corsair 750W SFX and adore it, but would it be enough?
Also, out of curiosity I looked at the currently available DDR5 on newegg and I dont see the point. Sure the frequency is higher, but so is the CAS latency to the point of DDR4 being faster overall (10ns vs 8.88ns). Im not sure what AMD offering Id have to wait for in order to be motivated to replace my cpu, mobo, ram and possibly power supply along with remaking custom silicone cables. Juice might not be worth the squeeze.
I recently upgraded to 6E wifi and it has changed my opinion on utilizing wifi. I'm still moving forward with re-wiring my entire house from CAT5E to CAT6 but, it is nice for the machines that have moved and don't have a ethernet port yet.
im going to adopt am5 pretty quickly, Ive been on a threadripper 2950x since that came out and its really showing its age now with rendering etc
great video, typically always go with the mid tier option (b series etc) since that typically strikes a good feature set for the price. My only real complaint with B550 is that most motherboards had 5 USB A ports on the back IO, but the gen4 support was nice
I'm definitely going to wait until next spring at least to see how the new AMD stuff turns out, the power creep on Intel and Nvidia are just getting ridiculous. I've been an Intel/Nvidia fanboy and the new AMD stuff has really caught my eye.
AMD soy----boy
yeah, amd is doing some fine stuff across the board since they got some money to work with. i also wouldn't put it past amd to bring back crossfire as the mcm gpu's are already bringing up the crossfire in the software, won't be that hard to do it with 2 gpu's from that point.
I get being a fan of certain cars or maybe a phone but being a fanboy of a GPU / CPU is just something i never got.
@@jandegrote1 I always support being a fan of VALUE :) I really don't care much if it is branded Intel or AMD
@@jandegrote1 Its really not anything different then cars, phones, video game devs, etc...
I'm adopting AM5 but as usual I'm waiting to copy one of your builds like I've done in the past. I need a Pc for a Sim rig (7600x) and a separate pc for a music DAW. I'll be waiting to see what you build over the next 6 months.
You needed to give Phil more credit for that ACE joke, lol. We love you Phil!
Not excited for am5
Excited for am4 becoming cheap
Recently I switched from a Ryzen 7 3700X to a Ryzen 9 7900X and damn! The difference is beyond noticeable!
Just upgraded to Ryzen 7 2600X and Gigabyte B450 Aorus Wi-Fi Pro. Hoping to get a 30 series GPU soon. Not planning on jumping into the AM5 pool for quite a long time. If anything, I will look into getting a Ryzen 9 on the AM4 socket. Fits my needs perfectly.
Last gen AMD X series motherboards were always more expensive than Intel Z series.
Board for board
it's because of the production volume.
If you are worried about budget then don't get AM5 because being "DDR5 only" means it's going to be more expensive than any AM4 option for not much more performance.
I built my AM4 pc in august 2017 aorus x370 released february 2017, now 5 years later never had a problem. Maybe you gotta wait a few months before buying?
Not much perf ? This is the biggest generational jump for CPU and GPU ever, that will require the ddr5 advantage over ddr4 to work. Its more expensive but its a nuts gen
Not much more performance? Lol 😆
@@SoVeXeN People don't seem to understand so I will make it clear. Dollar for dollar you will get the same or close to it performance from AM4 as you do from AM5 right now.
That's why I started with "If you are worried about budget".
@@Boots3962 Was talking dollar to dollar performance. Also, Ryzen 7000 doesn't need ddr5 to work, they are ddr5 only to force adoption (and probably because AMD has some new cheaper AM4 CPUs in the works since ddr4 will be around for a good while yet). Matter of fact current ddr5 is slower than mainstream ddr4. Common ddr4 is 3200-3600 so you would need to get ddr5 that's roughly 6400-7200 to match since the latency doubles.
waiting for benchmarks, I want to see how it compares with 5800x3d for example. I'm probably on my last Intel processor (10700k) unless they shock the crap out of me with the 13th gen. But it's a dead end platform with no upgrade path so that kind of kills it for me.
Wait for 7800X3D in Q1
I'll be upgrading 1-2 months after launch. I'm curently still rocking the AMD TR 1950x and am looking foreward to the 7950x, this is going to be one heck of an upgrade! ^^
MGpu 6700xt X2 AMD reference was first slot and XFX was second slot and they bounced around and the sounded so cool working together ... remember if the people want it IT WILL HAPPEN. Multi Graphics Processing is NICE once you level all the parts and power and paste and pad.
I'm building an AM5 system at launch. I'm still using the Ryzen 1800X CPU, and a GTX1080. So i'm due for an upgrade. Gonna get the 7950 CPU, Probably the ASUS Extreme board, and when they release a 4080 or 4090 GPU. Also going to be building my first custom loop. Have never bent acrylic before, But I'll learn. Already bought the massive Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO case, so I can use some pretty damn large radiators. Going with a dual loop setup. CPU and GPU will each be on their own loop, with their own extra thick radiator. And then that system will hold me over for 3 - 5 years, like my current setup has.
This set looks unreal. Love that purple ambiance behind the wooden planks
Could the 2 GPU support be aimed more towards workstation since they seem to be moving away from consumer Threadripper.
Loving the new sets. Hopefully we can get a new studio tour when it's all finished.
Been using the 5600x and 6600 XT and could not be happier... no plans to move to the new Gen of CPU's or GPU's any time soon. i usually run a one or two Gens behind.
my second rig is a 5600x on a B350 Motherboard of all things :) and 5700 XT still going strong with no issues.
Being recently disabled and out of work for the last year, this will be the 1st thing I won't be able to get the latest tech on launch day. And and looking at all of this and the cost, I'm thinking it's a blessing in disguise.
Definitely gunna adopt AM5, but it won't be immediately out the gate. Super keen for an RDNA3 reveal as well. Might end up going all Team Red for my next build!
the x670e and then the extra extreme are different. its regarding the chipset x670(e) and then the actual motherboard tier is that extra extreme. X670 and x670e have optional and mandatory hardware respectivley set by AMD. The board manufacturers then teir their own motherboard elite, master, extrme etx. So the chipset hardware using AMD set rules is the letter e denoting what is optional or mandatory telling both the consumer and manufacturer that the board has to have these hardware rules by default (with e) or not (non e). The same applies for the B650 and B650E
About to order the AMD Ryzen 5 7600x and Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX. I feel it'll last 8 to 10 years. My current desktop is an AMD A10-7850K - A-Series APU Kaveri Quad-Core and ASUS A88X-PRO FM2+ / FM2 that I built in 2014, which is still running strong. I don't game, it's primary function is to be a Plex media server with secondary functions being making videos from my GoPro, as well as being a basic workstation. I'm thinking I won't miss getting a higher end CPU or motherboard, and the occasional buffering issues I get with Plex will be a thing of the past.
Really looks like I'll finally be moving to AMD. Last AMD I ran was an Athlon 64 I think, so it's been a while 🙂
Super excited for AM5. Saw this as my time to step up from a 3900x and a Crosshair Hero.
With the overall cost, however, I think I'll hold out and wait for another year.
But why wouldn't you just drop in a 5950x instead? Are all you guys just using this for work and need the absolute fastest multicore processors available, but not so much you'd need an Epyc or something?
@@pandemicneetbux2110 Streaming, video editing, etc all on one PC makes the advantage of 3900/5900 very stand out.
Gaming + video encoding at high bitrates via CPU, leaving your GPU open to handle the game is extremely helpful.
I'm really interested in AM5. I'll wait a few years, I usually wait to the 2nd or 3rd iteration. Just built a 5800x PC last year.
12:00 Phil is an ACE
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Good to see the Rebellion case build in the background! I need to go revisit that video, it was a fun build to watch.
I can't even have a wired connection and have been gaming wireless for years now.
And that on a very old USB 2.0 WIFI 4 Dongle. Worked like a charm until recently, when I encountered some kind of driver problem.
I now have a Wifi 6 router and a Wifi 6 network card and of course it still works like a charm.
Wireless isn't bad at all. Not the least.
Just got a 5600x last September. I won't be upgrading for a while. I was previously on an FX 8350
My rig is still mostly new, high end gear, so I intend to wait a few years and see what's new when I feel the need.
That said, I would love to build with the new stuff if someone brings me the parts.
Just built a am5 build with a x670e aureus with a 7950x and 32gig 6400 ram and a 4090. It is amazing I highly recommend
there is that online store where since covid the cheapest compenement are almost never in stock, to forces you spends more. choosing the right store might be the first recommandation, because brands recommanded prices are respected anymore !!!
I work as s hardware engineer I design circuit boards all day. And there is a massive shortage of prepreg (the fiberglass) used to make complex pcb's.
The general requirements for pcie gen5 are so crazy tight that I can't see any pcb fab getting better then 90% out of fab and that's not even an assembly just the raw pcb figure
10:00 doesn't have a ton of PCIe slots. That are usually covered by high-end graphics cards with triple slot designs anyways. I wonder when the first GPU with a quad slot design comes out.
According to a microcenter employee this past weekend of the Brentwood mo store, "we will definitely be doing a heavy discount on am5 motherboards along with pre-orders on the new zen 7000 processors. Additionally we are actually giving away boards for 13th gen raptor lake." Hint, go to microcenter and buy on launch.
Say the chip is an Intel AX210 its MSRP for off the shelf is 18~45 USD. For a company to add this onto the motherboard the correct way, you're adding $80~100 to an MSRP on the board. This to me isn't so unreasonable, but what is unreasonable is when they put a space on the board with an external chipset. you actually give up specific lanes. If you graduate your OLD PC to you NAS this may create a problem for some people. (Not nocking asrock,) The X570 Steel legend wifi is an example.) Many people work around this by removing the card, but I do a hybrid VM with wifi output for say a quest 2 directly for wireless setup. having it built into the board vs an additional card can make/break this scenario.
my plan was always waiting for AM5 and raptor lake to estabilize before upgrading. maybe 3rd quarter of 2023. will see what is the best match for my needs then
I have never been able to afford the bleeding edge of new components. But I now find my self with the ability to afford it. Could you do a video on how,where,when, for a newbie like myself to find all thew newest items?
i think it's just easier for general users to call it dual gpu slots since everyone knows pcie x16 is gpu's. but the potential for dual or quad NVME pcie 5.0 add-in card become an option.
I can't wait a few months Jay. I've been waiting to upgrade my PC for 10 years now..
Reminds me of when I was in the military and people would say CAC card when it already has card in the name. @12:00
man the new set looks KILLER! good job from what ive seen Jay!
Really like the new look of the new studio. Got a subtle cool look instead of bright RGB everywhere. Give it a cool atmosphere.
The fact that pcie5 isn’t just included for gpus and nvme drives for all the boards is another reason I’m going to wait. This new generation/socket needs time to mature.
Great video as usual. Thank you!!!
I'm building a i7 12700k build with a rtx 3080 fe. I'm still not a fan of amd just yet. I always had random driver issues with their products. Probably lots better now but I'll stick with nvidia for this build. Haven't decided on the MB yet. Just waiting a few more weeks to wait to see if the 3080 will come down in price before purchase. No matter what I'm going ddr5 and it's going to be done by October. Cant wait, so excited. I'm trying to go slowly so I don't regret missing a good savings that I could add to another part of the build.
I'm saving up for a new rig to replace my current 7y old rig. AM5 has got me excited and I'll prolly hop over from Intel to AMD this time around.
Just a small note for people that think they really need WiFi 6e (802.11ax) compared to 5 (802.11ac).
The main difference in speed (there are more improvements but I'm now comparing speed only) is about 3.4 Gbps (WiFi 5: ~3.5 Gbps & WiFi 6e: ~9.6 Gbps).
Jay was talking about a gigabit speed which can be achieved even without 6e, keep that in mind
I plan to adopt AM5 around 6 months or so after launch. If only because of budget constraints...
The full name, breaking down each acronym, for the MSI board is:
Micro Star International Micro Star International Extreme Gamer X670Extreme Ace (Also Called Extreme according to Phil lol)
yeah, i think i will stick to AM4 for at least the first year, which is why I'm glad there going to be at least one upgrade batch
I won’t be upgrading for a while. I may get 3080TI but will wait for a while before adopting AM5. What I don’t get though is why aren’t the error code displays and clear CMOS buttons standard on all AM5 motherboards? I get they’re features that cost extra and for the base boards you don’t really need a clear CMOS as they aren’t necessarily meant for over clocking. But they’re helpful regardless and shouldn’t be much more to add to all boards. At least the error code display (not the tiny LED lights but the actual code display) shouldn’t be much of an extra cost per board to add.
I recently rebuilt my editing system and I'll probably do an AM4 CPU and GPU upgrade before I step up to an AM5 platform. My system works great so It'll be a while.
I plan on waiting for the bugs to be worked out then start the process of how I want to build with what boards.
Tbh with my current setup - X570 + 5800X + 3080 im not going to upgrade this time around.. im gaming at 1440p - But ofc i am going to watch every thing you and the team are doing on what ever platform.. cant wait to see my current setup being destroyed the next couple of months :D
I was planning on waiting till 2024 or so to build off this new tech. Give them time to dial in on the hardware and improve it.
Having decent onboard wifi is definitely a good idea because ethernet ports die more often than you think.
Two of my last four motherboards had the ethernet ports crap out on me. One totally died after ((I assume) lightning came down the line a few years ago, because both my router and ethernet port died together. And now the ethernet on my X570 board is restricted to 100mbps because of a problem on pins 7/8.
But yea, I'm waiting on my upgrades to arrive in the next few days 7900x and an X670E Aorus Master, I always like to go _big_ on the motherboard, because it's probably the thing that you will regret the most when you run out of USB ports, or you're looking to connect something, but you can't because you cheaped out.
To me the motherboard is kind of like choosing the extras you want in a new car; like you might think to save a few hundred quid by not getting air conditioning, but then you're cursing yourself when summer comes along because you're sweating like a priest in a Barney costume.
I'm going to wait and see. One of my PC i still use is an X79, with a GTX 980 and I didn't' upgrade until 2020 to an 3700X and a RTX 2070super. That's a HUGE time gap. I now have a 5800X3D with a 3070ti, plus a Steam Deck, plus the older PCs I mentioned, so I nave no need to get AM5. I'll wait and watch it mature like AM4 did, and depending on what Intel does, I'll choose when I feel like i need an upgrade. Besides I'm more likely to buy a new GPU before a whole new build anyway.
Jay in reference to the 2x Gen 5.0 GPU slots, possibly CXL it is standard and baked into the PCIe gen 5.0 spec, if you are not familiar i would recommend a white paper article to read on this, but it fixes every issue SLI and Crossfire had(Latency issues, overall stable bandwidth, VRAM Pooling, Scaling, and most importantly Software support levels are nil as its all done on Base Firmware BIOS level rather than through software from developers or needing continuous updates from NVidia/AMD or Engines/Developers) and we are seeing SSDs currently in Enterprise level using the technology and It was an Intel standard but in order to get the adoption in the Gen spec they had to open source it, NVidia and AMD are currently sitting on the board coalition.
Gen 5 also has the benefit of being way faster than needed, but.....Chiplet design and MXM are on the way as well, NVidia is already using MXM for enterprise level servers, Everything trickles down usually in a gen or 2, this is a primer gen, I almost guarantee it, CXL takes all similar co processors and merges it to software(OS, Engine, Game) seeing 1 giant coprocessing unit .
This is going to be interesting. This is laying groundwork, AMD knows people will be using this for amateur Workstation use like they did with X570 and the 3950X Processors.
I would probably bet we will see Multi GPUs used again in the next 3-7 years as standard. The problem is NVidia, Intel and AMD all need to figure out a product stack because performance is out of their control, and they don't want repeats of the EVGA9800GX2 SSC and the 550TI cards as it can cause issues when product stacks are more powerful than they should be compared to higher tier more expensive products.
Background looks amazing. I'd back up a foot or two.
I have a 5900X and a 6900XT I got when I was made redundant from my old job and given severance. I'm probably good until at least next gen for both, esp as I probably won't be able to spend that kind of money again in this economy, so it will be when the high-mid range surpasses what I already have.
I was planning on a Z690-E Asus Strix board... it's 430$~
that's before shipping/warranty etc.
I was thinking of getting a B660 board for 2-300$ less... just to get started.
Hopefully there's a Z690-E board paired with a 13900KS later for a better deal by the time it comes out.
The increase in pretty much everything over a B series board, makes me want to go ahead with the Z690-E.
Hopefully some mobo prices will go down :)
I get the feeling the main difference between x670 & x670E is bifucation. It's a PITA comparing x570 boards, and an easy feature to overlook (running out of PCIe lanes isn't fun).
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I got the X570 Aorus Xtreme board for looks. Besides all the USB connectivity, It's WAAY too much for me, but I have no regrets. Saying that, I plan on getting a X670 board because I don't really plan on OCing and don't want to wait for a B650 board and getting the 7600X to pair with the 6600XT.
This makes me so happy I went with the last am4 zen 3d chip for my setup gives me a good amount of time for adoption costs to come down
Man I wish I had that kind of wireless connection here. That kind of wifi period would be nice.
Crossfire and Sli will only be a thing if and when it's just a matter of enabling it in the driver and there is no extra coding required on the part of software devs.
Thinking of high end am4 processor and motherboard might the most cost effective approach for this fall 2022. Perhaps in the Fall of 2023 prices for both will be much much more afforable.
Definitely going to be upgrading but planning on waiting a couple months since I'll probably end up installing proxmox. With the 7950x I think its going to be perfect for having a gaming vm, linux productivity vm and still be able to run a couple servers.
I got my 7900x and Strix B650-a waiting for more parts to be bought. That's where I stand on these Mobos
Love the background lighting