Personally, I think it would be a good idea to do an update video after 90 days or so. Every review you see is based on such a short time period that you don't get to see long term, hidden, issues. Or even how the bios matures after a period of time.
@@blakevoege2857 If you're talking to me, then I'm not sure what you're problem is. Jay literally said to leave a comment if you want to see an update later on. That's what I did.
Any long term reviews are always welcome. So many products get better (or even much worse sometimes) over time that I'm shocked that long term reviews are not more of a thing.
Here I am 8 years later with my good ol' 6700K. Comp has been on 24/7 for 8 years straight. Not a single issue with that thing. Was using a GTX 980ti until about a year ago, too. Also had zero issues the whole time. Not sure if I've been purely lucky or just spoiled with reliable parts. Haven't had a single part (other than fans) fail on me in the past decade.
@@RadicalDreamer9000 Exactly the same for me, but it's not about Intel or that hardware, I think that is about society overall, quantity over quality is the only option in a world based on money, so this is nothing more than a natural convergence toward less quality. Everything is less qualitative than 10 years ago, and if you go back 20-40 years the difference is even bigger: Cars, electronics, food, clothes, work accessories, chairs, even the shopping bags you use to bring home the crap you buy.
Where I work, people are promoted by how many kaizens they get implemented, including supervisors. Supervisors, of course, have a lot of pull in which kaizens get implemented. What this means is supervisors are required to make a certain number of changes if they want to advance and they're usually hack jobs that a year or two later are headaches for someone else to solve.
I had an x570 Taichi give up almost a year in. Luckily Asrock was a G and RMA'd it. This was really cool of them, because I no longer had what I needed to RMA the Mobo. They basically went "Er, you know what" and replaced the board.
Just curious what happened to yours? Mine crashed and refused to boot recently or go into bios. Had to use the flashback button and that worked thankfully and also found my booot drive was toast but idk what happened and still worried the mobo may have an issue. I also started getting that bad fan boot up noise this mobo is known for so I unplugged the fan on it. Not sure if I should incorporate something else to help with hear by the m.2 drives but I think it’s okay as is with the heat sinks. It sucks cause I love the mobo itself and the the aesthetics of it but making me worried especially now seeing this comment on a random video about something else lol
weird, for me with the x570 Aqua they just sent it back saying we don't see any issue. moving on. now I removed the plastic cover to solve some temp issue but wifi is crap. sad for a 800$ MB.
It's the first song I ever learned to play. I also don't do the double thumb style on rhe song. I forget the name of it, whatever Marty teaches I didn't do lol. I play every string with and independent finger. I think that the way it was originally played? I believe most people learn it the former way (Jay included)
Having quarterly updates would be awsome, that way we can see how bios updates progress, how long it takes to hammer out Xpo settings, how the loop holds up etc. Absolutely more updates please!
Would love to hear another update in 90 days! Love to see how the system shakes out and how it meets your expectations and maybe what you would have done differently looking back
He would have gone with Intel looking back lol. Tried, tested, reliable! All that efficiency with zero reliability and STILL full of quirks, bugs, and caveats. RIP AMD. XD
Since, he's unable to use Expo, a lot of performance is lost. The best decision would've been to get 13900k (as it can run xmp without issues). I also think the 7950X3D won't last much long. We already have several incidents where non-3D chips are degrading in 1 year.
Jay, full disclosure: a video from you like this is very refreshing. I love these at home videos where you are 100% comfortable and in your element (even more so than your shop) and it really comes through when you are solo. There’s something about getting personal and bringing the experience home with you to share to us all that rlly makes it feel like you’re inviting us all in for a real personal opinion from one enthusiast to another. The guitar was icing on the cake man. I absolutely love Linus and his whole team and everything they’re doing over there, but stuff like this just hits different and it’s whole heartedly appreciated. Watching your content feels more than my friend taking me on a journey sharing your experiences than anyone else, and for a man like myself with no friends my own age that are as passionate about tech and experiencing it’s glory, what you bring to the table is refreshing and inspiring. Keep it up my man, you rock 🤟
Hello Jay, Full disclosure Video, from you like this is very refreshing. I love these at home videos where you are 100% comfortable and in your element (even more so than your shop) and it really comes through when you are solo. There’s something about getting personal and bringing the experience home with you to share to us all that, really, makes it feel like you’re inviting us all in for a real personal opinion from one enthusiast to another. The guitar was icing on the cake, man, But stuff like this just hits different, and it’s wholeheartedly appreciated. Watching your content feels more than my friend taking me on a journey sharing your experiences than anyone else, and for a man like myself with no friends my own age that are as passionate about tech and experiencing its glory, what you bring to the table is refreshing and inspiring. Keep it up my man, you rock Edit: for ButteredToast_93.
An update in 90 days would be great to see. Also, the guitar addition was awesome. Really felt like a view into Jays home life. Like a Mr Rogers feeling.
This is an absolutely immaculate system. Jaw dropping even, but the thing I'm jealous of is that Jay's Aida64 sensor panel runs and works correctly and does not crash the system and kill the graphics driver. Great h9b as always on the system Jay and you're really coming along with the guitar. :)
Hoping to see an update. Not the most tech savvy to be a tinkerer but been wanting to upgrade my 10 year old pc and was going to mirror this build for myself. mainly to get as close to the top of the line as I could and obviously for aesthetic purposes 🧐. Your videos help me a lot with getting educated on all the different tech/product changes over the years. appreciate the videos and content fam 💪🏾.
It's nice to have an OP/ED piece with a normal use viewpoint. Personally I want to move to 12/13th Gen Intel, but the DDR5 issues is one thing that has kept me from moving that way. At this point 10th gen and up is an improvement for me, minus losing the lanes and 4 channel (still on a x99 platform w/ a 6900k@4.4Ghz) - I noticed a huge jump moving my son from a i7-3770 to an i3-10105, which I find amazing to see an i3 become a viable option again. Since my main game I no-life is Destiny 2, so my system has no issues but I want to update for future updates and other titles (1080Ti still putting in work till I can afford a new GPU as well)
I'd like to see more updates. I usually go one gen. behind for costs seeing I don't play demanding games. Just went from a i7 6700k GTX 970 system to an AMD 5700G RX 6600 system and the difference was quite noticeable.
@@jaysgamingandbuildsc5533 Some places might still have the availability issues. Some areas (iirc either Brazil or Uruguay) have insane tax on foreign made electronics with a loophole of some sort for APU (import as part and not cpu since it does graphics) meaning much lower taxes. I would have taken 5700G over 5600X if it had had pcie 4.0 for one less graphics card and matx over atx and extra card for more screens. But as it is, 5600.
@@jamegumb7298 the 5700g apu isnt a good gaming graphics card, yeah it can play some, but at the price point 5600x wins, more fps then the 5700g, I get the availability thing,
I would love to see more updates after a few BIOS updates came through and fingers crossed you'll get the memory clock a bit higher. Still using my first gen Ryzen and the last 3 years or so have been rock solid with memory.. no issues here but it's only one system and it took a lot of tinkering to get there.
"Good for a tinkerer" is probably a great guideline to describe my limited experience with an AMD chip. For as much as I would LIKE to be a tinkerer, at the end of most days, I really just want to play my games. My two previous intel builds over the years just worked. The 5600x I bought in 2021 (not even at launch, btw) took a month or two to mature.
that's the thing with everything so revolutionary new that there isn't enough (or at all) support for it out there. take intel's gpus as an example. a year ago they sucked lots, and now they're on par with rtx 30s and amd's 6k series. and yet they still have "unexplored" teritories for all the new tech they introduced on hardware level in the chips themselves. same goes for Zen architecture in your case. codependency between different manufacturers is the "why". and all of it is because of trade secrets or in house development processes of such hardware. I bought a 5600G two months ago and it just works. it's snappy, it's got iGpu that runs Warzone at 50ish fps and yet my upgrade path is limited by a socket change for 7k series cpus. however I predict a long and happy future with it. 😊
My just replaced lenovo intel gaming pc lasted me 10 years of playing EVERY NEW GAME out no issues(even though in the last couple years ive had to drop settings down to low), leaving it running for ages straight etc. It just WORKED. So you can believe my new system is intel lol
I care more about performance in multithreaded productivity apps than games, so I moved on from Intel to a 7950X + RTX 4090 on an Asus Crosshair Extreme motherboard with a 32 GB DDR5-6000 kit from G.Skill. Absolutely no issues. Rock solid. Wicked fast. Couldn't be happier.
I'm torn between the 13900KF and the 7950X. Like you I'm npt a gamer but I am into motion graphics so rendering is a big deal for me. Adobe seems to be heading for changes to support multithreaded with their applications so I am thinking the Ryzen path is the better way to go. I think the 7950X3D is more for gaming as you stated but I believe it is still going thorough growing pains. What are you getting for 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark?
Please update regularly. Preparing for a full system build after 5 years on a 2700x. Already planned on Taichi Carrara mb, so thanks for mentioning AsRock. Now if you can find a computer chair with arms that fold down, every one of us guitarists would be much happier!
I went from a 2700x to a 5800x and the improvement has been bonkers... so I can only imagine the upgrade it would be to a 7000 series cpu... Good luck and enjoy your new system when you have it!!
Realspace Ampresso big & tall chair from Office Depot has folding up arms, and it is on sale for @259.99 right now..plus extra 30% off for rewards members.
Honestly? Just get an office chair. Gaming chairs kinda suck with the minor exception of SecretLab, but it’s still a gaming chair which means it still kinda sucks.
I just completed my 7950X3D build, only using 2 sticks (32gb ram) on a Gigabyte board and EXPO has been working just fine, though I'm not even a week in. I hope it stays steady for you
Jay, I've been using a 7900X & an Asus X670E Motherboard since October of last year, I've had nothing but issues with the motherboard since day 1, with the unknowns if the PC would even post or not, more than half the time it wouldn't, this was all RAM related. I flashed the latest BIOS of 1413, and I see more DOCP profiles available to pick from for my RAM, and my PC posts every single time. I hope it gets more stable for you!
Hey @Jaystwocents ! Im a guitar teacher and the biggest thing that causes people injury is using the palm to cradle the neck! Curl your thumb outward, keep it in the middle of the back of the neck, and open up the space inside your palm to form a "C" shape, and enjoy your newfound leverage/ ease of playing! (Also, stay on those fingertips brotherrrrrr, the fingerprints require more pressing force. ;-P )
Thanks for this video! There are so many nuances when it comes to PC hardware. Most TH-cam channels focus on the performance while ignoring the experience. It seems like 600 series AM5 is having similar growing pains as 300 series AM4, but not as bad. It seems like it would be better to wait for 700 series boards. Just like how the 400 series boards were the perfect go to when it came to platform maturity and future proofing.
13900ks here on an Asus ROG Maximus Z790 APEX running a GSkill 7800 mhz 32gb kit at XMP settings stable. Also have my 13900ks overclocked and running 25C idle and 55-65c gaming. Love my Intel setup
YES Please keep us updated on this build! It is cool to see you adopt the bleeding edge of the newest best AMD CPU tech. I am sure that with a few bios updates you will get the RAM to where it should be and the system will be SUPER BADASS. Even though it already is. I just upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700X and an RTX 3060 12 GB. I am loving it!
@@big0bad0brad Yeah? Well for 30 years I have been hearing people complain about AMD and RAM issues. 30 years. I had one Athlon CPU in the 2000's. It had RAM issues and ran like a pig when it didn't have RAM issues. I never used another AMD CPU ever again. Where is your evidence to the contrary?
@@auntiepha8343 If you're basing all your experience on one set of equipment, then I'll point at my Socket FM2 board that's been running with 32GB of DDR3 since 2012 nearly constantly and doesn't experience RAM issues. But anecdotes are honestly kind of a crappy way to go unless you've got a large enough sample set. Where I really have a problem with your "falling on their face" words is the part where AMD basically defined the 64 bit x86 architecture because Intel was too busy screwing with Itanium, plus it always seems that when Intel's ahead, they stop until AMD gets close to catching up. For that reason, even if you're an Intel fanboy you kinda have to root for AMD at some level or things will eventually stagnate.
Yeah updates like every 90 days sounds great. I chose not to go with brand new edition stuff this time, and just update my existing system. Let the new stuff settle and mature. So very interesting to see the progress and problems you encounter on this build. As always, great vid, and wish I could play guitar as well!!
Hello Hello From Canada!!! Your "as it happens" review is awesome for my curiosity about the CPU. You are also running your system with motherboards of the first AM5 architecture, so hiccups are expected, but you continue to get good product support. You really had a huge point about motherboard companies probably needing to step up board quality, because AMD is becoming a bigger market force. You are going through all the things I was worrying about and I thank you for dealing with the headaches for us. Super reviewing Jay.
Yes! Another update down the track 100% Because I'd like to know what to look out for with any potential issues! I'm running the exact same motherboard and Kingson Fury RAM but with a 7950X non 3D. I have not had a single issue with it yet and am able to run EXPO no problem at full 6000. Videos of other people's shared experiences with same/similar hardware goes a long way to diagnose issues with a product line. Much appreciated Jay!
I’d love to see continued updates on the x3d models. I’ll be upgrading to a new pc by years end and am leaning heavy to a x3d. I’ve seen some stuff on how they perform in Paradox games like Stellaris and Crusader Kings 3 (which is largely what I play) and the 5800x3d at least seems to crush other processors in those games. I know it is a little off the beaten path for a lot of tech channels but if you had any comment on how they perform in games like that it’d be appreciated.
@@paulvancyber1979 Caveat: the Vcache design helps for *some* games (possibly most) but it does not help for *all* games, and the degree of gain varies even when it's non-zero. The nuance matters, given the cost difference vs. a much cheaper yet still very potent SKU such as the 5700X. Whether Vcache would help for CK3 the OP mentions I don't know, but either way, one should always try to locate test results for the specific game(s) in question before deciding, especially if the upgrade spans a CPU gen/arch leap aswell (otherwise one might attribute a performance gain to the Vcache when it may infact be due to an IPC gain, clock gain, arch improvement or even a RAM bump). People often update their cooler when switching platforms aswell, so that can be a factor too (modern CPU designs permit higher boosting if more thermal headroom is available). I can't tell how many of these issues apply to the OP, but nevertheless, one should be aware that gains from Vcache are not universal, it all depends on to what extent a game would have to keep leaping out of the standard 32MB cache on a non-X3D variant, and it's not a yes/no effect, it's a spectrum of gain from none, a little, to some, a fair bit, a decent amount, a lot, to a huge dergee for certain very specific titles. Check original reviews by GN, HUB, etc. for numerous examples. Colin, something you could try on your existing system is employing the likes of HWInfo and Afterburner to monitor main memory behaviour, plot a chart to measure how changing the RAM clock and timings affect performance. If you can establish that the games you play are not under normal circumstances inducing significant main memory traffic, then it's less likely an X3D part would provide a useful gain beyond any base arch/IPC change, eg. if your existing system is a 2700X, then you might see a similar gain from moving to a 5700X or 5800X instead of a 5800X3D. And of course display resolution & detail settings are another factor, the higher these are, the more the bottleneck tends to move over to the GPU instead (though again this isn't a universal effect).
@@akaRAIJIN I'd like to get one for benching purposes, but am waiting for prices to drop a little more first. I have a B450 Tomahawk Max II standing by.
I was looking at this processor while I was planning my build just didn't want to wait. I chose to go 5800x3d instead. This was my first build so I am going to be watching how it does for you over the coming months to see if it is going to be a good one for my wife's next build. By the way I have a 3 month old little girl that was watching this one with me and along with every other video that you put out she goes quiet and very attentive to your videos, and that just applies to your videos. I was planning my build while my wife was pregnant so there is that but I just wanted to say thank you. Just finished my first build a month ago and am loving it. Your videos really helped me in planning for it.
Not as hard as many would have you believe is it? I have friends and family members that think you gotta be some kinda rocket scientist to build one lol and even me telling them it's not difficult it's all about matching your hardware for compatibility . Oh and btw you didn't go wrong with that 5800x3d I still have the 3900x and have been wondering how much performance I'm leaving behind since I have a 4090.
@@ThmsDouglas I absolutely love my 5800x3d, went with the new Corsair elite aio and temps are insanely cool. Running with dlss balanced on my 4k tv on call of duty over 200fps suprim x 4080. Absolutely love the set up. It took me maybe 6 hours to build before realizing a few days later that the bios needed to be updated lol
@@HowieMilguy40 It's always something but if that's the only issue you had you did good! My first I had memory issues and couldn't figure out for the life of me why it wouldn't start and it was so frustrating! So much so the next day I called a local repair guy and got a quote for him to fix it. I was hours from meeting him when on a whim I took out one stick of RAM and presto...turned on lol it's all a learning experience.
Seeing you playing the guitar was cool. Another update would be good, especially if some of the current limitations are sorted out. It really sounds to me like the X3D versions of the chips really don't offer enough advantage to be worth the extra price. Even more if you were going to delid the CPU and run direct die which we already know gives insane overclock capability.
I love to see a 3 month update of your system at home. I love the guitar intro and ending too should do more videos with you doing it besides the normal and blooper intros too.
Who needs expo, Jay can overclock it himself with a little guidance by buildzoid (actually hardcore overclocking). Dont think he will make 4 sticks of ram work.
AMD Expo works perfectly on my Crosshair HERO with a 7950X at 6000. Perhaps Jay is setting it after his PBO curve settings, in which case he should do it the other way around, Expo first. I think this may be the case because he says he got -30 on all cores, and that shouldn't be possible on a 16 core CPU. He should only be able to get -15 all core at the most.
This might be a silly question, but could he not just use a XMP Kit & see if that works? There shouldn't be much of a Performance differents. Or im missing something ?
Thank you, Jay, I am more feeling I made the right decision on my i7-13700k and i5-13600k I build this year, both with ASRock MBs, 1 TaiChi 1 Steel. Buddy tried to convince me to go AMD, but I could not get the bad taste out of my mouth from all the issues in the 90's to early 2000's I have to fix. In reality, these CPUs are so close in performance now, either is a good pick. I am staying with my safety net for now.
I don't normally comment on any videos I watch on youtube but I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the guitar was unexpected and I really enjoyed it. Please make a series like this or at least a couple more.
I've become somewhat of a taichi snob actually. I bought their x570 and have loved the brand ever since. I just bought the taichi 7900xt and got it installed last night to go with it. Love the way their stuff looks and the card is very quiet for what it is. After a gigabyte and an Asus board died on me, I'm sticking with taichi stuff for the foreseeable future.
Same here. I've been planning on a 7800X3D as well. The info about Asus mobos having issues worries me a lot, but I was planning on going with an ROG Strix B650E and not a Crosshair Hero one so hopefully the Strix ones are not having issues.
I'd like to see a periodic report on how this system is going-thinking of moving over to amd in the next few months would be great to be able to learn from your experiences with your new setup
Anthony, main decision and best one I made so far in my computer relationship history was to swap from intel to AMD I just can't explain how much better AMD is for me.
Thanks a lot for being THE ONLY VOICE talking about the myriad of stability issues with AM5 platform and specially with ASUS mobos. I'm one of those tinkerers you talk about and I'm 2 new BIOS versions away from buying a flamethrower...
I adopted the 7950x3d with the asrock Taiche on day 1 myself and I couldn't be happier with it..... way over kill for what I need and do with it but I like to tinker and mess with it..... No memory issues either running expo 6000 mtz. Thanks for your take on it and would like to see an update on it down the road....
Love the updates. I recently completed my first ever build that has specs that are very similar, so these updates are very relatable and helpful in terms of things to look out for. I’ve been able to run expo 1 and pbo with no issues. Gskillz cl30 6000. Very stable. However I do have to underclock my Msi 4090 gpu’s core MHz or I get games freezing sotf,diablo4,modern warfare (might have to take that baby back). Thanks Jay!
@@Deanpierce88 Yeah, I'm running much of the same system, except I'm running the 7900X3D and CL30 RAM. I did need to update all my drivers before I was able to boot though.
Jay being a legitimately wholesome and kind dude makes me wish he was my dad Him knowing cars and tech and now guitar are all just a bonus lol. Keep up the kickass videos Mr. Two Cents!
Hey Jay, go into windows power settings>advanced and drop max cpu to 99%, see if there are any difference in temps from that. Mine drops from 55% to 32% It allows the CPU to run at it's standard Mghz and powers up when ganes are played.
And that is why I held back getting the 7800x3d even though it's delayed till April anyways. I wanted to see all the reviews and what not. 8000 series or whatever they'll call it, is what I'm aiming for with 7000 series being the test gen for my "consuming needs" lol. I have a 5800x3d and it's performance is phenomenal. I for one will be looking forward to an update on your current "at-home" system in the coming months
I have a serious question, Jay. Why on earth are behaviours like xmp/expo not working on several x3d models not something that is found during review season? All the reviews out there for x3d chips give stellar scores and "buy buy buy"
Asrock is simply AMAZING! Ive been running a x570 Taiichi since it was released simply because they were the first to "properly" offer 2 full speed gen4 M.2 slots. But, its been a complete rock with my setup. A true underdog superstar!
I have built many many systems on AsRock over the past 10 years for myself, husband, friends and family. I've never ever had one fail. I have always ran them for years till I can't stand it and feel the need to upgrade, so then they just get handed down, but retired so to speak. I love the Tai Chi line, Yep! Well said you gotta good one there! Cheers!
@@susantompkins8810 Its funny how thats probably the life path for most motherboards. My last upgrade sent most of my gaming hardware down to the relatively new wife. She was in no way a streamer! No interest in computers, no interest in random people on the internet... just not at all part of that scene. Now shes well known to many of the big Minecraft streamers, "friends" all over the world, running 3 minecraft servers for her little community that gravitated to her, and is starting up streaming April 1. All because of a handed down Asrock MB.
Yes very refreshing to hear your experience at home. Wonder if it would be worth waiting to upgrade your board for when AMD is stably pushing much higher ddr5 speeds anyway? Seems like they probably need a bit of time to catch Intel in that dept.
My first experience with am5 has been flawless. Not saying anything about J's experience just giving my own. 7700x, gigabyte b650 matx auros elite, 32gb 6000mhz c36 gskill flairx 2 sticks. It's been flawless no issues. Updated mobo bios as soon as I got it in Late January and haven't updated since. My cpu does -30 all core, 85w thermal limit and doing better than stock performance at 62c avg gaming on a thermal take assasin air cooler. Clocks up to 5.75ghz at times. Beyond impressed.
I believe you mentioned in a video that you were impressed by how responsive the system was when you tested the 7950X (Non3D). Does that still apply to your finished build with the 3d ?
Yes 90 days! Do it 100% ❤ Im on verge of getting same system set up, bit cutting corners to fit in a mini atx, or a small atx that fits in hand luggage, becaus ei need this..
Great video! I’ve been waiting to see your thoughts now that you’ve been using it. I have this CPU and Hero Motherboard I built for my wife. I will say it’s not been too bad and is a good gamer. I personally use a 13900ks and man, it just works and no funky business on the core usages like I have experienced now and again with our X3D chip. I think for mixed use (creator and gamer) the 13900k is the right choice. I get it runs hotter but a proper under volt is a great way to curb this. Also the memory support is just so good with 13th gen. AMD is definitely on a good path and fortunate to use both, but I think the scheduling method Intel is using just beats AMD right now. Ive had and used all 3 so if you give me my 13900k, 7950x, or 7950x3d choice of systems with my 4090, Jay I’d say the 13th gen would be it. I bet there will be some frustration and if a change in Mobo is needed, it may spark a change to Intel if it start’s annoying you enough. This was how I ended up on a 13900ks from a 7950x.
I'm curious about your thoughts about this review after you solved most of the caveats with their core parking issue and weird Windows related issues with their install mess.
Oh man, that sucks about the EXPO issue. My 7950x3D 6000 EXPO seems to be ok on my Asus ProArt. I hope they work out the issues with 4 sticks, I really want to run 128GBs eventually.
What made you go with a 7950x3d? It’s such a weird CPU. You have to cut its cores and threads in half in order to use its 3d v cache. It also performs worse than the regular 7950x in workstation tasks which is already slower than an i9 13900k. If you care about gaming the 7800x3d was the superior choice. If you carried about both gaming and workstation use the I9 13900k was the superior option.
@@ZackSNetwork It was a hard choice but there were several reasons. I do both gaming and workstation stuff, so that ruled out the 7800x3d. I do expect to run 128GB of ram in the future, so you'd think that might push me to Intel, but neither system can clock the RAM very high at that capacity and the 3DvCache makes RAM speed far less important in gaming, which is where I would usually care about it. I would have went Intel if I could have got a DDR4 board (as it has better latency/speed at those capacities) that offered PCIe 5 M.2s but they never made any. The thing that really pushed me over the edge (aside from curiosity) was the heat. My room already gets toasty when I start gaming, I don't need any more heat than I have to get. So far I've been very impressed how much of an improvement I've seen over my 6850k in games that I thought were just badly programmed. I've never seen MWO run so fast. Also of note, I have only done a little testing, but I saw all 32 threads light up when playing Mount and Blade Banner Lord, when I maxed the amount of troops on the field. So it looks like if the game needs it, it is fully capable of flipping the other cores on.
I’m running 7950x3d, ASUS Tuf x670E plus WiFi, 2 dimms of g skill flare 32x2 64gb CL 30 6000mhz Expo II Enabled . But I just built it and on latest bios and software. Not a hiccup in any game or benchmark yet. No OC on anything except EXPO II that’s it.
I bought a 7900x and an x670e in November and it wouldn't boot with my 6,000 RAM. I booted at stock speeds and updated bios and haven't had any issues. There seems to be a lot left on the table with bios that they will hopefully figure out rather quickly.
LOVING this in-depth 7950X3D analysis video! I heard because of the infinity fabric AMD use, it's a bad idea, even with the latest 7950X3D CPU, to go over 6,000MT/s RAM. But having looked at some of the high-mid range motherboards, I see they list support for higher RAM speeds, like the ASRock X670E Taichi says supports DDR5 6600MT/s. Other than being more expensive, is there any reason I shouldn't get say a 6,600MT/s 64GB (2x32GB) kit (with the lowest CL I can find) along with an ASRock X670E Taichi motherboard and a 7950X3D CPU?
I was under the impression 6200-6400 MT/s was the current ceiling for AMD RAM stability. If I remember correctly, the Actually Hardcore Overclocking youtube channel covers this in his video "RANT: I HATE THE INTEL 13th GEN MEMORY CONTROLLER".
I’m still running a X299 Rampage Extreme with a I9 7900X @allcore 4.9GHz. I’m about to get a new rig, but now I’m waiting for the first fixes for the 7000X3D CPUS. I would love to see another video in future and hear more about your experience with these CPUs. Love from Germany
perfect time to jump to AMD, Would/may actually be on the 2nd gen 3XD chips for its AM5 platform @ ryzen 8000X3D (if they name it logicly), simply due to the fact they will have a chance to iron out most of the bugs, + DDR5 prices to hopefully settle, + early errors on DDR5 mem controllers may be fixed by then, (currently, no CPU does well 1:1 on anything above 6600, even raptor lake´s mem controller struggles). + mhz uplift seems to not matter much after the 6200-6600 range, + AMD 1st gen caps out on 6000 due to its infinity fabric/ 1:1 clockgen system. So to up the pref, getting a more stable DDR5 controller that can effektively run 4 sticks of mem at 8000+ stable, in a 1:1 sys/Fabric/gear mode would be optimal. Hopefully Ryzen 8000X3D has all that stuff sorted out. Imo unless your chasing 300+ fps at 1080p or stable max raytraced 4k 120+ fps on a 4090, you will never need the newest and greatest cpu´s for gaming anyhow. Only for some workloads they can benefit, most 10+ core chips are honorstly a waste for gaming imo.
I'm upgrading from an 'ancient' i7 6700k, so I'll be going for one of those x3d cpus but saving a bit on the gpu (4070ti is max in terms of prices). It just makes the most sense for me since I won't be upgrading much if any at all for the next 5+ years.
I build PC's for people all the time as a side gig, I have been building almost exclusively AMD since Ryzen 1000 and have yet to get a CPU platform related complaint after god knows how many PC's. I build for gamers, office's and professional photo and video editors. Yet to have an issue.
Yes please keep us abreast as to how it's going. My place was robbed about 8 months ago and I had just finished my new build to replace my old Ryzen 9 3900 w/5700X. I yet again went with AM4 Ryzen 7 5700X w/6900XT because I remember 1st Gen Ryzens' growing pains and not to mention the price of the new platform. Next month I plan to buy an AM5 Mobo and wait to see the newest offering to be released later this year and compare price to performance.
It's a bummer about Asus quality going down lately. They are normally my go-to brand because I can assume I won't have issues. Any thoughts on what Linus found about comparative FPS loss at higher resolutions in the X3D? Usually the tech world assumes the differences between CPUs becomes less apparent at higher resolutions but they didn't find that to be the case in their hands.
Hey Jay love your content. I recently built a gaming pc with the 7900x3d and 4 16gb ddr5 vengeance ram sticks 6000mh, and the computer booted past the bios with Amd expo and all ram at max clock speed. I notice you said you were unable to get your pc to boot with more than 2 sticks of ram and was curious what your thoughts are on this situation.
Thanks Jay awesome report as always! It has been more than 12 years since I last built an AMD rig. It was a Phenom if recall correctly. Currently running an I7-4770K with an EVGA 1080Ti that seems to work just fine for what I use my PC; some productivity and some gaming. I was thinking it may be time to upgrade to a 13th gen Intel CPU with a 4000 series NVidia GPU to go with it or even a new 7000X3D series AMD. I think I'm gonna hold off for now it's just too expensive. I can play dust on the wind about as much as you played it. I'll keep on practicing on my guitar to master the whole song as I wait for more reports from you on the new AMD CPUs and hope prices drop from ridiculous to more accessible.
Definitely another update, I've been having issues with my own rig. Strix x670e-e , 7950x3d , g.skill tridentz neo 6000mhz (2x32gb) running EXPO 1. Some days it boots to Windows just fine, some days it gets c5 errors and reboots, some days it hangs on 0d and doesn't boot. USB dropouts have been pretty common and the occasional stop code blue screen... It's fun to tinker 😂
Hopefully you fix these issues. Tinkering is cool and all however you should not have to deal with these serious problems with the money you paid for a brand new PC. I went with a i9 13900KS and RTX 4090 and it just works.
Loved AMD, miss my 5900x but yeah, this is the reason why Intel has advantage in my opinion. Plug and play, no dramas... and KS version is cherry picked so no dramas with crazy voltages
I had a nightmare experience with upgrading to Ryzen 7950. My PC would just randomly crash under different loads, sometimes it would crash during games it would crash but performance would turn absolutely into a horrid mess, or it would crash randomly while idle at desktop. Long story short I replaced almost all components on their own MB (x670eand MSI ACE) then replaced my PSU(EVGA 1300 GT) then did memtest on my Gskillz Trident Neo 6000 kit failed the test so replaced it with different kit Corsair 5600 dom plats passed memtest. Still had the same issues going on so others said its probably the GPU causing the crashing so I RMA’s my 3090 which funny enough apparently was so bad that ASUS didn’t bother trying to fix it and sent a replacement without notifying me till I asked them. GPU was not able to enable resizable bar before but now it works with the new card so it fixed a different issue but did not fix the main issue. Turns out it’s the motherboard that is bad BOTH times. I finally got a blue screen, had never gotten a BSOD once yet and it was a memory management error. Board finally also gave a C5 error which matches the BSOD. Turns out on the replacement motherboard dim 1 & 3 would not boot at all with any ram stick in any configuration which meant it was MSI memory management module on the MB. All that part swapping just for the original part that went bad to also go bad on a new replacement. After all that I said screw it and returned the MB and went 13th gen 13900k and have not had 1 problem yet and absolutely feel like this setup now performs much better overall in my gaming and art workloads. I did do many testing methods I took about a month of testing parts and different setups before saying im done with AMD. I wont be going back to amd for awhile now because of this bad experience and yes I know it was new platform but man was it a nightmare for me who doesn’t have many components to try stuff out.
Yes, another update would be good. All the reviews out there are generic benchmarking stuff from what I've seen, I appreciate a knowledgable take in this format to better make a decision. Planning major upgrade later this year.
Would love any updates, given the new-ness of the 7000 series and this x3d variant in particular, I'd expect some kind of changes and an update later on would let everyone know if things will improve, or if the platform is just going to be jank the whole time.
@@mikem9536I've been running a 7700X with a Radeon 7900 XTX, no problems in the last couple months. Expo actually worked flawlessly at 6000. Jay did turn me off to getting the eventual 7800X3D because of the issues he was getting with this one.
Would love a 90 day review. Also, how is windows 11 working with it? Since thier has been a lot of reported problems with win 11 and the new ryzen CPUs. The reports are why I have have stayed win 10 but not sure if I'm losing performance bc of it.
Windows 11 sucks for all CPUs and RAM. Performance is worse on windows 11 and it will use 20 GB of RAM at startup(no programs) and when you game it will increases to like 32 GB. Windows 11 uses like 30% of RAM for cache and you can't free ut
dont switch there are to many problems on win11 everything was great on my new ryzen7700+6700xt but after win11 all goes to shit even the overlay from riva statistic server had to go because some games wont start with it
@@CarissanaPlease don't generalize. Lots of examples of systems running perfectly fine, like mine (Ryzen 9 7950X with 2x32GB DDR5-6000, MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SuprimX).
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That guitar intro was completely unexpected but wholly appreciated.
Yes
hes getting really good!
It was really pleasing
Dust in the wind, I was almost hoping for a Decimflex dust filters sponsoring at this point 😂
it's nice I liked it a lot
Personally, I think it would be a good idea to do an update video after 90 days or so. Every review you see is based on such a short time period that you don't get to see long term, hidden, issues. Or even how the bios matures after a period of time.
That was a weird way of putting BIOS updates.
But then there is also the point of not having to give a update on other procs…
LTT also had issues with their cpus which is why they didn't post their review
bro your telling a man that makes a living off of computers and videos how to do a job hes being doing for many many years .... plz get back in line
@@blakevoege2857 If you're talking to me, then I'm not sure what you're problem is. Jay literally said to leave a comment if you want to see an update later on. That's what I did.
Any long term reviews are always welcome. So many products get better (or even much worse sometimes) over time that I'm shocked that long term reviews are not more of a thing.
The social media way is fast paste and "old" products don't attract as much traffic.
Here I am 8 years later with my good ol' 6700K. Comp has been on 24/7 for 8 years straight. Not a single issue with that thing. Was using a GTX 980ti until about a year ago, too. Also had zero issues the whole time. Not sure if I've been purely lucky or just spoiled with reliable parts. Haven't had a single part (other than fans) fail on me in the past decade.
@@RadicalDreamer9000 Exactly the same for me, but it's not about Intel or that hardware, I think that is about society overall, quantity over quality is the only option in a world based on money, so this is nothing more than a natural convergence toward less quality. Everything is less qualitative than 10 years ago, and if you go back 20-40 years the difference is even bigger: Cars, electronics, food, clothes, work accessories, chairs, even the shopping bags you use to bring home the crap you buy.
Where I work, people are promoted by how many kaizens they get implemented, including supervisors. Supervisors, of course, have a lot of pull in which kaizens get implemented. What this means is supervisors are required to make a certain number of changes if they want to advance and they're usually hack jobs that a year or two later are headaches for someone else to solve.
@teekanne15 depends on users, see old cpu's (i7 6700k) tested in 2021/2023 and get views either way
I had an x570 Taichi give up almost a year in. Luckily Asrock was a G and RMA'd it. This was really cool of them, because I no longer had what I needed to RMA the Mobo. They basically went "Er, you know what" and replaced the board.
Just curious what happened to yours? Mine crashed and refused to boot recently or go into bios. Had to use the flashback button and that worked thankfully and also found my booot drive was toast but idk what happened and still worried the mobo may have an issue. I also started getting that bad fan boot up noise this mobo is known for so I unplugged the fan on it. Not sure if I should incorporate something else to help with hear by the m.2 drives but I think it’s okay as is with the heat sinks. It sucks cause I love the mobo itself and the the aesthetics of it but making me worried especially now seeing this comment on a random video about something else lol
weird, for me with the x570 Aqua they just sent it back saying we don't see any issue. moving on. now I removed the plastic cover to solve some temp issue but wifi is crap. sad for a 800$ MB.
@@StellarNucleosynthesis I gave up on asus a few years ago and will never buy another motherboard from them. Overpriced and bad support.
Dust in the wind is one of those ones that sounds simple to play but is actually tricky to learn. Well done!
Just "Carry on my Wayward Son" with your 2 cents worth.
Not actually that hard to play. your hand is rooted to a few basic chord shapes
It's the first song I ever learned to play. I also don't do the double thumb style on rhe song. I forget the name of it, whatever Marty teaches I didn't do lol. I play every string with and independent finger. I think that the way it was originally played? I believe most people learn it the former way (Jay included)
Having quarterly updates would be awsome, that way we can see how bios updates progress, how long it takes to hammer out Xpo settings, how the loop holds up etc. Absolutely more updates please!
Would love to hear another update in 90 days! Love to see how the system shakes out and how it meets your expectations and maybe what you would have done differently looking back
He would have gone with Intel looking back lol. Tried, tested, reliable! All that efficiency with zero reliability and STILL full of quirks, bugs, and caveats. RIP AMD. XD
90 days?
This sounds like a TLC 'program'(?).
@@0AThijs there will be a lot of drama about visas and the marriage and with the parents who are skeptical about him marrying a much younger CPU
Since, he's unable to use Expo, a lot of performance is lost. The best decision would've been to get 13900k (as it can run xmp without issues). I also think the 7950X3D won't last much long. We already have several incidents where non-3D chips are degrading in 1 year.
Jay, full disclosure: a video from you like this is very refreshing. I love these at home videos where you are 100% comfortable and in your element (even more so than your shop) and it really comes through when you are solo. There’s something about getting personal and bringing the experience home with you to share to us all that rlly makes it feel like you’re inviting us all in for a real personal opinion from one enthusiast to another. The guitar was icing on the cake man. I absolutely love Linus and his whole team and everything they’re doing over there, but stuff like this just hits different and it’s whole heartedly appreciated. Watching your content feels more than my friend taking me on a journey sharing your experiences than anyone else, and for a man like myself with no friends my own age that are as passionate about tech and experiencing it’s glory, what you bring to the table is refreshing and inspiring. Keep it up my man, you rock 🤟
Man thinks he's in an English class with that analysis
Homie is like "wow now I can really pretend like you're my friend right now, incredible A+"
@LawlieTuan 😭
Hello Jay,
Full disclosure Video, from you like this is very refreshing. I love these at home videos where you are 100% comfortable and in your element (even more so than your shop) and it really comes through when you are solo.
There’s something about getting personal and bringing the experience home with you to share to us all that, really, makes it feel like you’re inviting us all in for a real personal opinion from one enthusiast to another.
The guitar was icing on the cake, man, But stuff like this just hits different, and it’s wholeheartedly appreciated. Watching your content feels more than my friend taking me on a journey sharing your experiences than anyone else, and for a man like myself with no friends my own age that are as passionate about tech and experiencing its glory, what you bring to the table is refreshing and
inspiring.
Keep it up my man, you rock
Edit: for ButteredToast_93.
@@hadoukenocx4746 what is going on... I can't tell if any of these comments are serious or not
I thought you were going to play the guitar for 2 minutes and say, "Oh sorry, just waiting for my PC to boot."
Thumbs up for you playing the guitar for us. And yes, please update us if they fix the AMD Expo issue for your board/X3D.
An update in 90 days would be great to see. Also, the guitar addition was awesome. Really felt like a view into Jays home life. Like a Mr Rogers feeling.
Definitely want more updates! I'm sure there are a lot of us upgrading to AMD for the first time and are looking for more than just one time reviews.
This is an absolutely immaculate system. Jaw dropping even, but the thing I'm jealous of is that Jay's Aida64 sensor panel runs and works correctly and does not crash the system and kill the graphics driver.
Great h9b as always on the system Jay and you're really coming along with the guitar. :)
Hoping to see an update. Not the most tech savvy to be a tinkerer but been wanting to upgrade my 10 year old pc and was going to mirror this build for myself. mainly to get as close to the top of the line as I could and obviously for aesthetic purposes 🧐. Your videos help me a lot with getting educated on all the different tech/product changes over the years. appreciate the videos and content fam 💪🏾.
It's nice to have an OP/ED piece with a normal use viewpoint. Personally I want to move to 12/13th Gen Intel, but the DDR5 issues is one thing that has kept me from moving that way. At this point 10th gen and up is an improvement for me, minus losing the lanes and 4 channel (still on a x99 platform w/ a 6900k@4.4Ghz) - I noticed a huge jump moving my son from a i7-3770 to an i3-10105, which I find amazing to see an i3 become a viable option again. Since my main game I no-life is Destiny 2, so my system has no issues but I want to update for future updates and other titles (1080Ti still putting in work till I can afford a new GPU as well)
I'd like to see more updates. I usually go one gen. behind for costs seeing I don't play demanding games. Just went from a i7 6700k GTX 970 system to an AMD 5700G RX 6600 system and the difference was quite noticeable.
What made you go for the 5700g when the 5600x is better
@@jaysgamingandbuildsc5533 Some places might still have the availability issues. Some areas (iirc either Brazil or Uruguay) have insane tax on foreign made electronics with a loophole of some sort for APU (import as part and not cpu since it does graphics) meaning much lower taxes.
I would have taken 5700G over 5600X if it had had pcie 4.0 for one less graphics card and matx over atx and extra card for more screens. But as it is, 5600.
nice I do bit like that too also had a 6700k but with a rx480 just upgraded to a 5700x and 6700xt
@@jamegumb7298 the 5700g apu isnt a good gaming graphics card, yeah it can play some, but at the price point 5600x wins, more fps then the 5700g,
I get the availability thing,
I personally believe that integrated graphics in the cpu is needed for trouble shooting in case your gpu has no picture out
I would love to see more updates after a few BIOS updates came through and fingers crossed you'll get the memory clock a bit higher.
Still using my first gen Ryzen and the last 3 years or so have been rock solid with memory.. no issues here but it's only one system and it took a lot of tinkering to get there.
I would like to hear how you feel about the CPU at the 180 day mark, as 6 months to me gives a better idea of long term status.
Yeh half a year is the sweet spot to get a good idea of long term performance/status.
"Good for a tinkerer" is probably a great guideline to describe my limited experience with an AMD chip. For as much as I would LIKE to be a tinkerer, at the end of most days, I really just want to play my games. My two previous intel builds over the years just worked. The 5600x I bought in 2021 (not even at launch, btw) took a month or two to mature.
that's the thing with everything so revolutionary new that there isn't enough (or at all) support for it out there. take intel's gpus as an example. a year ago they sucked lots, and now they're on par with rtx 30s and amd's 6k series. and yet they still have "unexplored" teritories for all the new tech they introduced on hardware level in the chips themselves. same goes for Zen architecture in your case. codependency between different manufacturers is the "why". and all of it is because of trade secrets or in house development processes of such hardware.
I bought a 5600G two months ago and it just works. it's snappy, it's got iGpu that runs Warzone at 50ish fps and yet my upgrade path is limited by a socket change for 7k series cpus. however I predict a long and happy future with it. 😊
My just replaced lenovo intel gaming pc lasted me 10 years of playing EVERY NEW GAME out no issues(even though in the last couple years ive had to drop settings down to low), leaving it running for ages straight etc. It just WORKED. So you can believe my new system is intel lol
I have 2 profiles in bios for that reason
Min max oc aka tinker
And just a really good stable oc for daily use
I care more about performance in multithreaded productivity apps than games, so I moved on from Intel to a 7950X + RTX 4090 on an Asus Crosshair Extreme motherboard with a 32 GB DDR5-6000 kit from G.Skill. Absolutely no issues. Rock solid. Wicked fast. Couldn't be happier.
I'm torn between the 13900KF and the 7950X. Like you I'm npt a gamer but I am into motion graphics so rendering is a big deal for me. Adobe seems to be heading for changes to support multithreaded with their applications so I am thinking the Ryzen path is the better way to go. I think the 7950X3D is more for gaming as you stated but I believe it is still going thorough growing pains. What are you getting for 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark?
Please update regularly. Preparing for a full system build after 5 years on a 2700x. Already planned on Taichi Carrara mb, so thanks for mentioning AsRock. Now if you can find a computer chair with arms that fold down, every one of us guitarists would be much happier!
A lot of chairs have height adjustable arms, that tends to work fairly well. At least with bass :D
I recently went from a 2700x to a 5600x in a x570 board and its been a huge difference
I went from a 2700x to a 5800x and the improvement has been bonkers... so I can only imagine the upgrade it would be to a 7000 series cpu...
Good luck and enjoy your new system when you have it!!
Realspace Ampresso big & tall chair from Office Depot has folding up arms, and it is on sale for @259.99 right now..plus extra 30% off for rewards members.
Honestly? Just get an office chair. Gaming chairs kinda suck with the minor exception of SecretLab, but it’s still a gaming chair which means it still kinda sucks.
Jay, you're killing it on that guitar. I do enjoy your insta content when you publish it.
This is why I like when you use different components, it gives people the heads up on what expect with both brands
I just completed my 7950X3D build, only using 2 sticks (32gb ram) on a Gigabyte board and EXPO has been working just fine, though I'm not even a week in. I hope it stays steady for you
Jay, I've been using a 7900X & an Asus X670E Motherboard since October of last year, I've had nothing but issues with the motherboard since day 1, with the unknowns if the PC would even post or not, more than half the time it wouldn't, this was all RAM related. I flashed the latest BIOS of 1413, and I see more DOCP profiles available to pick from for my RAM, and my PC posts every single time. I hope it gets more stable for you!
Hey @Jaystwocents ! Im a guitar teacher and the biggest thing that causes people injury is using the palm to cradle the neck! Curl your thumb outward, keep it in the middle of the back of the neck, and open up the space inside your palm to form a "C" shape, and enjoy your newfound leverage/ ease of playing!
(Also, stay on those fingertips brotherrrrrr, the fingerprints require more pressing force. ;-P )
Thanks for this video! There are so many nuances when it comes to PC hardware. Most TH-cam channels focus on the performance while ignoring the experience. It seems like 600 series AM5 is having similar growing pains as 300 series AM4, but not as bad. It seems like it would be better to wait for 700 series boards. Just like how the 400 series boards were the perfect go to when it came to platform maturity and future proofing.
13900ks here on an Asus ROG Maximus Z790 APEX running a GSkill 7800 mhz 32gb kit at XMP settings stable. Also have my 13900ks overclocked and running 25C idle and 55-65c gaming. Love my Intel setup
I absolutely love my Asrock X670E Taichi. Best motherboard I have ever owned and perfectly matched with my 7950X
YES Please keep us updated on this build! It is cool to see you adopt the bleeding edge of the newest best AMD CPU tech. I am sure that with a few bios updates you will get the RAM to where it should be and the system will be SUPER BADASS. Even though it already is. I just upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700X and an RTX 3060 12 GB. I am loving it!
AMD has been falling flat on their face for 30 years. Yet every year everyone is surprised when AMD falls on their face.
@@auntiepha8343 That's not really true
@@big0bad0brad Yeah? Well for 30 years I have been hearing people complain about AMD and RAM issues. 30 years.
I had one Athlon CPU in the 2000's. It had RAM issues and ran like a pig when it didn't have RAM issues. I never used another AMD CPU ever again.
Where is your evidence to the contrary?
@@auntiepha8343 One word. “Ryzen” ever heard of it? Lol
@@auntiepha8343 If you're basing all your experience on one set of equipment, then I'll point at my Socket FM2 board that's been running with 32GB of DDR3 since 2012 nearly constantly and doesn't experience RAM issues. But anecdotes are honestly kind of a crappy way to go unless you've got a large enough sample set.
Where I really have a problem with your "falling on their face" words is the part where AMD basically defined the 64 bit x86 architecture because Intel was too busy screwing with Itanium, plus it always seems that when Intel's ahead, they stop until AMD gets close to catching up. For that reason, even if you're an Intel fanboy you kinda have to root for AMD at some level or things will eventually stagnate.
From guitar lessons to nice guitar intros is the kind of growth I'm here for. Awesome video Jay!
Yeah updates like every 90 days sounds great. I chose not to go with brand new edition stuff this time, and just update my existing system. Let the new stuff settle and mature. So very interesting to see the progress and problems you encounter on this build. As always, great vid, and wish I could play guitar as well!!
Hello Hello From Canada!!! Your "as it happens" review is awesome for my curiosity about the CPU. You are also running your system with motherboards of the first AM5 architecture, so hiccups are expected, but you continue to get good product support. You really had a huge point about motherboard companies probably needing to step up board quality, because AMD is becoming a bigger market force. You are going through all the things I was worrying about and I thank you for dealing with the headaches for us. Super reviewing Jay.
Yes! Another update down the track 100% Because I'd like to know what to look out for with any potential issues! I'm running the exact same motherboard and Kingson Fury RAM but with a 7950X non 3D. I have not had a single issue with it yet and am able to run EXPO no problem at full 6000. Videos of other people's shared experiences with same/similar hardware goes a long way to diagnose issues with a product line. Much appreciated Jay!
Thank you, I'm buying that exact kit in 64GB for my 7950X3D because I can't run that at 5200mhz without OCCT errors
I’d love to see continued updates on the x3d models. I’ll be upgrading to a new pc by years end and am leaning heavy to a x3d. I’ve seen some stuff on how they perform in Paradox games like Stellaris and Crusader Kings 3 (which is largely what I play) and the 5800x3d at least seems to crush other processors in those games. I know it is a little off the beaten path for a lot of tech channels but if you had any comment on how they perform in games like that it’d be appreciated.
is a very good CPU for gaming, the 3D cache memory help a lot for gaming
and now is very cheap, also the MB and memory
you should go for it!
@@paulvancyber1979 Caveat: the Vcache design helps for *some* games (possibly most) but it does not help for *all* games, and the degree of gain varies even when it's non-zero. The nuance matters, given the cost difference vs. a much cheaper yet still very potent SKU such as the 5700X. Whether Vcache would help for CK3 the OP mentions I don't know, but either way, one should always try to locate test results for the specific game(s) in question before deciding, especially if the upgrade spans a CPU gen/arch leap aswell (otherwise one might attribute a performance gain to the Vcache when it may infact be due to an IPC gain, clock gain, arch improvement or even a RAM bump). People often update their cooler when switching platforms aswell, so that can be a factor too (modern CPU designs permit higher boosting if more thermal headroom is available).
I can't tell how many of these issues apply to the OP, but nevertheless, one should be aware that gains from Vcache are not universal, it all depends on to what extent a game would have to keep leaping out of the standard 32MB cache on a non-X3D variant, and it's not a yes/no effect, it's a spectrum of gain from none, a little, to some, a fair bit, a decent amount, a lot, to a huge dergee for certain very specific titles. Check original reviews by GN, HUB, etc. for numerous examples.
Colin, something you could try on your existing system is employing the likes of HWInfo and Afterburner to monitor main memory behaviour, plot a chart to measure how changing the RAM clock and timings affect performance. If you can establish that the games you play are not under normal circumstances inducing significant main memory traffic, then it's less likely an X3D part would provide a useful gain beyond any base arch/IPC change, eg. if your existing system is a 2700X, then you might see a similar gain from moving to a 5700X or 5800X instead of a 5800X3D.
And of course display resolution & detail settings are another factor, the higher these are, the more the bottleneck tends to move over to the GPU instead (though again this isn't a universal effect).
Upgraded to the 5800x3d back in Nov last year. Night and day difference for games like CK, Factorio, and esp. X4.
it even runs on a lot of "budget" motherboards really well too, but some of the older chipsets (b450 etc) need BIOS updates
@@akaRAIJIN I'd like to get one for benching purposes, but am waiting for prices to drop a little more first. I have a B450 Tomahawk Max II standing by.
I was looking at this processor while I was planning my build just didn't want to wait. I chose to go 5800x3d instead. This was my first build so I am going to be watching how it does for you over the coming months to see if it is going to be a good one for my wife's next build. By the way I have a 3 month old little girl that was watching this one with me and along with every other video that you put out she goes quiet and very attentive to your videos, and that just applies to your videos. I was planning my build while my wife was pregnant so there is that but I just wanted to say thank you. Just finished my first build a month ago and am loving it. Your videos really helped me in planning for it.
Not as hard as many would have you believe is it? I have friends and family members that think you gotta be some kinda rocket scientist to build one lol and even me telling them it's not difficult it's all about matching your hardware for compatibility . Oh and btw you didn't go wrong with that 5800x3d I still have the 3900x and have been wondering how much performance I'm leaving behind since I have a 4090.
@@ThmsDouglas I absolutely love my 5800x3d, went with the new Corsair elite aio and temps are insanely cool. Running with dlss balanced on my 4k tv on call of duty over 200fps suprim x 4080. Absolutely love the set up. It took me maybe 6 hours to build before realizing a few days later that the bios needed to be updated lol
@@HowieMilguy40 It's always something but if that's the only issue you had you did good! My first I had memory issues and couldn't figure out for the life of me why it wouldn't start and it was so frustrating! So much so the next day I called a local repair guy and got a quote for him to fix it. I was hours from meeting him when on a whim I took out one stick of RAM and presto...turned on lol it's all a learning experience.
@@ThmsDouglas this was a huge learning experience for me but it was a fun one too
Would love to see more of this kind of stuff... Same goes for the other systems you guys use at work.
Yes please 90 day update IS A MUST!!! I am planning to buy a new system at the end of the year, hopefully things will be smoothed out until then
Seeing you playing the guitar was cool. Another update would be good, especially if some of the current limitations are sorted out. It really sounds to me like the X3D versions of the chips really don't offer enough advantage to be worth the extra price. Even more if you were going to delid the CPU and run direct die which we already know gives insane overclock capability.
I love to see a 3 month update of your system at home. I love the guitar intro and ending too should do more videos with you doing it besides the normal and blooper intros too.
It's been nice seeing this build evolve. Sucks that AMD Expo isn't working, but hopefully, with future BIOS updates, it'll all work out...
It's working in my build. Must be a motherboard issue
Who needs expo, Jay can overclock it himself with a little guidance by buildzoid (actually hardcore overclocking). Dont think he will make 4 sticks of ram work.
AMD Expo works perfectly on my Crosshair HERO with a 7950X at 6000. Perhaps Jay is setting it after his PBO curve settings, in which case he should do it the other way around, Expo first. I think this may be the case because he says he got -30 on all cores, and that shouldn't be possible on a 16 core CPU. He should only be able to get -15 all core at the most.
This might be a silly question, but could he not just use a XMP Kit & see if that works? There shouldn't be much of a Performance differents. Or im missing something ?
Thank you, Jay, I am more feeling I made the right decision on my i7-13700k and i5-13600k I build this year, both with ASRock MBs, 1 TaiChi 1 Steel. Buddy tried to convince me to go AMD, but I could not get the bad taste out of my mouth from all the issues in the 90's to early 2000's I have to fix. In reality, these CPUs are so close in performance now, either is a good pick. I am staying with my safety net for now.
I don't normally comment on any videos I watch on youtube but I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the guitar was unexpected and I really enjoyed it. Please make a series like this or at least a couple more.
Love the intro.....that music soothed my soul for the day. As usual, great vid.
Nice intro :D We should get more like these :D Rock on Jay
I've become somewhat of a taichi snob actually. I bought their x570 and have loved the brand ever since. I just bought the taichi 7900xt and got it installed last night to go with it. Love the way their stuff looks and the card is very quiet for what it is. After a gigabyte and an Asus board died on me, I'm sticking with taichi stuff for the foreseeable future.
Would love to see an update in 90 days. I'm considering the 7800X3D so a long term review of the overall platform would be great
Same here. I've been planning on a 7800X3D as well. The info about Asus mobos having issues worries me a lot, but I was planning on going with an ROG Strix B650E and not a Crosshair Hero one so hopefully the Strix ones are not having issues.
the 7800x3d is what im waiting for before i upgrade
Upvote just for that wonderful intro on the guitar. Congrats on being able to actually play that well!
That guitar intro was absolutely heartwarming....
Can we have Jay live streams/videos of just that...
I'd like to see a periodic report on how this system is going-thinking of moving over to amd in the next few months would be great to be able to learn from your experiences with your new setup
Anthony, main decision and best one I made so far in my computer relationship history was to swap from intel to AMD I just can't explain how much better AMD is for me.
@@Obi1KB2 You must be a tinkerer
Thanks a lot for being THE ONLY VOICE talking about the myriad of stability issues with AM5 platform and specially with ASUS mobos. I'm one of those tinkerers you talk about and I'm 2 new BIOS versions away from buying a flamethrower...
I adopted the 7950x3d with the asrock Taiche on day 1 myself and I couldn't be happier with it..... way over kill for what I need and do with it but I like to tinker and mess with it..... No memory issues either running expo 6000 mtz. Thanks for your take on it and would like to see an update on it down the road....
which memory are u using????
Can you write your memory manufacturer? Hynix b?
Same here with taichi carrara and 7900x3d.I'm using teamforce delta AMD expo 6000 mtz with no issues myself.
I'm using Gskill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-6000J304G32GX2-TZ5NR 2x32 gig kit. From what I can tell they are Hynix M Die...
@@mattthayer thanks mate!
I just built my first computer. You are a big help. Granted some goes over my head still.
I know this is a pc channel but music is one of my passions. Jay i absolutly love the guitar playing. Yes i would like a 90 day update to this video.
Love the updates. I recently completed my first ever build that has specs that are very similar, so these updates are very relatable and helpful in terms of things to look out for. I’ve been able to run expo 1 and pbo with no issues. Gskillz cl30 6000. Very stable. However I do have to underclock my Msi 4090 gpu’s core MHz or I get games freezing sotf,diablo4,modern warfare (might have to take that baby back). Thanks Jay!
Are you using the same 7950X3D?
@@farsidesc4044 7950x3d, asus x670e-a, Msi gaming trio 4090, 980 pro, gskillz cl30 6000, 360aio.
@@Deanpierce88 Yeah, I'm running much of the same system, except I'm running the 7900X3D and CL30 RAM. I did need to update all my drivers before I was able to boot though.
Jay being a legitimately wholesome and kind dude makes me wish he was my dad
Him knowing cars and tech and now guitar are all just a bonus lol. Keep up the kickass videos Mr. Two Cents!
@@smartgorilla then you're soft.
yeah I wish he was my Dad
@@smartgorilla cause hes old school. it comes from a good place. just have to remember hes not attacking you personally and its easier to get along
@@smartgorilla Okay. Just slandering a guy for no reason because you can't handle the way he talks. Glad wouldn't be the word.
Damn, y'all got someone to delete their comment already lmao? Good work, lads
Hey Jay, go into windows power settings>advanced and drop max cpu to 99%, see if there are any difference in temps from that. Mine drops from 55% to 32% It allows the CPU to run at it's standard Mghz and powers up when ganes are played.
That intro was legendary; definitely want another update in the future!
Love that song, well played Jay
And that is why I held back getting the 7800x3d even though it's delayed till April anyways. I wanted to see all the reviews and what not. 8000 series or whatever they'll call it, is what I'm aiming for with 7000 series being the test gen for my "consuming needs" lol. I have a 5800x3d and it's performance is phenomenal. I for one will be looking forward to an update on your current "at-home" system in the coming months
I have a serious question, Jay. Why on earth are behaviours like xmp/expo not working on several x3d models not something that is found during review season? All the reviews out there for x3d chips give stellar scores and "buy buy buy"
theyre being paid by amd
Asrock is simply AMAZING! Ive been running a x570 Taiichi since it was released simply because they were the first to "properly" offer 2 full speed gen4 M.2 slots. But, its been a complete rock with my setup. A true underdog superstar!
I have built many many systems on AsRock over the past 10 years for myself, husband, friends and family. I've never ever had one fail. I have always ran them for years till I can't stand it and feel the need to upgrade, so then they just get handed down, but retired so to speak. I love the Tai Chi line, Yep! Well said you gotta good one there! Cheers!
I've had a x570 aurous Xtreme. Initially running a 2600x which I upgraded to a 5950x. Never had any issues and has been great, just has to be bad bios
@@susantompkins8810 Its funny how thats probably the life path for most motherboards. My last upgrade sent most of my gaming hardware down to the relatively new wife. She was in no way a streamer! No interest in computers, no interest in random people on the internet... just not at all part of that scene. Now shes well known to many of the big Minecraft streamers, "friends" all over the world, running 3 minecraft servers for her little community that gravitated to her, and is starting up streaming April 1. All because of a handed down Asrock MB.
Yes very refreshing to hear your experience at home. Wonder if it would be worth waiting to upgrade your board for when AMD is stably pushing much higher ddr5 speeds anyway? Seems like they probably need a bit of time to catch Intel in that dept.
My first experience with am5 has been flawless. Not saying anything about J's experience just giving my own. 7700x, gigabyte b650 matx auros elite, 32gb 6000mhz c36 gskill flairx 2 sticks. It's been flawless no issues. Updated mobo bios as soon as I got it in Late January and haven't updated since. My cpu does -30 all core, 85w thermal limit and doing better than stock performance at 62c avg gaming on a thermal take assasin air cooler. Clocks up to 5.75ghz at times. Beyond impressed.
The guitar and didn’t see you here…best intro ever! Like that look man!
id be interested in seeing what the 7950x3d could do with some direct die cooling
From what I have read, 6000 speed DDR5 seems to be the sweet spot for AM5. I wonder if EXPO would work on your system using that speed.
it’s actually not, a lot of the time 6400 is still better than 6k
I believe you mentioned in a video that you were impressed by how responsive the system was when you tested the 7950X (Non3D). Does that still apply to your finished build with the 3d ?
Yep, I remember that. He said everything was "instant".
@@Squidgy55 well he did quote that in the start of this video too.... but you would guess it is the same since he hasnt said otherwise..
Your "Dust In The Wind" sounds awesome! 👍
Yes 90 days! Do it 100% ❤
Im on verge of getting same system set up, bit cutting corners to fit in a mini atx, or a small atx that fits in hand luggage, becaus ei need this..
Great video! I’ve been waiting to see your thoughts now that you’ve been using it.
I have this CPU and Hero Motherboard I built for my wife. I will say it’s not been too bad and is a good gamer. I personally use a 13900ks and man, it just works and no funky business on the core usages like I have experienced now and again with our X3D chip. I think for mixed use (creator and gamer) the 13900k is the right choice. I get it runs hotter but a proper under volt is a great way to curb this. Also the memory support is just so good with 13th gen.
AMD is definitely on a good path and fortunate to use both, but I think the scheduling method Intel is using just beats AMD right now.
Ive had and used all 3 so if you give me my 13900k, 7950x, or 7950x3d choice of systems with my 4090, Jay I’d say the 13th gen would be it.
I bet there will be some frustration and if a change in Mobo is needed, it may spark a change to Intel if it start’s annoying you enough. This was how I ended up on a 13900ks from a 7950x.
I'm curious about your thoughts about this review after you solved most of the caveats with their core parking issue and weird Windows related issues with their install mess.
Oh man, that sucks about the EXPO issue. My 7950x3D 6000 EXPO seems to be ok on my Asus ProArt. I hope they work out the issues with 4 sticks, I really want to run 128GBs eventually.
What made you go with a 7950x3d? It’s such a weird CPU. You have to cut its cores and threads in half in order to use its 3d v cache. It also performs worse than the regular 7950x in workstation tasks which is already slower than an i9 13900k. If you care about gaming the 7800x3d was the superior choice. If you carried about both gaming and workstation use the I9 13900k was the superior option.
Here's hoping, got the same MB and same ram/cpu coming. These RAM timing issues are pretty terrifying...
@@ZackSNetwork It was a hard choice but there were several reasons. I do both gaming and workstation stuff, so that ruled out the 7800x3d. I do expect to run 128GB of ram in the future, so you'd think that might push me to Intel, but neither system can clock the RAM very high at that capacity and the 3DvCache makes RAM speed far less important in gaming, which is where I would usually care about it. I would have went Intel if I could have got a DDR4 board (as it has better latency/speed at those capacities) that offered PCIe 5 M.2s but they never made any.
The thing that really pushed me over the edge (aside from curiosity) was the heat. My room already gets toasty when I start gaming, I don't need any more heat than I have to get.
So far I've been very impressed how much of an improvement I've seen over my 6850k in games that I thought were just badly programmed. I've never seen MWO run so fast.
Also of note, I have only done a little testing, but I saw all 32 threads light up when playing Mount and Blade Banner Lord, when I maxed the amount of troops on the field. So it looks like if the game needs it, it is fully capable of flipping the other cores on.
I’m running 7950x3d, ASUS Tuf x670E plus WiFi, 2 dimms of g skill flare 32x2 64gb CL 30 6000mhz Expo II Enabled . But I just built it and on latest bios and software. Not a hiccup in any game or benchmark yet. No OC on anything except EXPO II that’s it.
absolutely, 3-4 months id love to hear more feedback
I bought a 7900x and an x670e in November and it wouldn't boot with my 6,000 RAM. I booted at stock speeds and updated bios and haven't had any issues. There seems to be a lot left on the table with bios that they will hopefully figure out rather quickly.
I actually just purchased foldable arms for my chair let me know if you'd like at link works great! don't want to add random links to Jayz video
LOVING this in-depth 7950X3D analysis video! I heard because of the infinity fabric AMD use, it's a bad idea, even with the latest 7950X3D CPU, to go over 6,000MT/s RAM. But having looked at some of the high-mid range motherboards, I see they list support for higher RAM speeds, like the ASRock X670E Taichi says supports DDR5 6600MT/s.
Other than being more expensive, is there any reason I shouldn't get say a 6,600MT/s 64GB (2x32GB) kit (with the lowest CL I can find) along with an ASRock X670E Taichi motherboard and a 7950X3D CPU?
Not a single gen platfrom. If you upgrade CPU you'll need bios/mobo support too
I was under the impression 6200-6400 MT/s was the current ceiling for AMD RAM stability. If I remember correctly, the Actually Hardcore Overclocking youtube channel covers this in his video "RANT: I HATE THE INTEL 13th GEN MEMORY CONTROLLER".
@cynicle but then are AMD motherboards that say they will run 6,6,000MT/s lying? Making fraudulent claims?
I’m still running a X299 Rampage Extreme with a I9 7900X @allcore 4.9GHz. I’m about to get a new rig, but now I’m waiting for the first fixes for the 7000X3D CPUS. I would love to see another video in future and hear more about your experience with these CPUs.
Love from Germany
perfect time to jump to AMD, Would/may actually be on the 2nd gen 3XD chips for its AM5 platform @ ryzen 8000X3D (if they name it logicly), simply due to the fact they will have a chance to iron out most of the bugs, + DDR5 prices to hopefully settle, + early errors on DDR5 mem controllers may be fixed by then, (currently, no CPU does well 1:1 on anything above 6600, even raptor lake´s mem controller struggles). + mhz uplift seems to not matter much after the 6200-6600 range, + AMD 1st gen caps out on 6000 due to its infinity fabric/ 1:1 clockgen system. So to up the pref, getting a more stable DDR5 controller that can effektively run 4 sticks of mem at 8000+ stable, in a 1:1 sys/Fabric/gear mode would be optimal. Hopefully Ryzen 8000X3D has all that stuff sorted out. Imo unless your chasing 300+ fps at 1080p or stable max raytraced 4k 120+ fps on a 4090, you will never need the newest and greatest cpu´s for gaming anyhow. Only for some workloads they can benefit, most 10+ core chips are honorstly a waste for gaming imo.
Thanks for taking one for the team pal, I’ll be sticking with Intel for a long time.
Appreciate the honesty, looking forward to the next update if any!
I'm upgrading from an 'ancient' i7 6700k, so I'll be going for one of those x3d cpus but saving a bit on the gpu (4070ti is max in terms of prices).
It just makes the most sense for me since I won't be upgrading much if any at all for the next 5+ years.
my kiddo is running a truly ancient 4770k haha, im getting him a laptop this summer, 12th gen intel and a 3070ti
Same here waiting for the 7800x3d. Gpu im still not sure of.
My i7 6700k ìs still running great with a 1080Ti. New build is i7 12700k with a 3080Ti.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
I'd avoid 4070 TI and get a 3090.
Do not overclock the 7950x3d beyond 1.35 v . Derbauer tested it and bricked his cpu
I build PC's for people all the time as a side gig, I have been building almost exclusively AMD since Ryzen 1000 and have yet to get a CPU platform related complaint after god knows how many PC's. I build for gamers, office's and professional photo and video editors. Yet to have an issue.
Yes please keep us abreast as to how it's going. My place was robbed about 8 months ago and I had just finished my new build to replace my old Ryzen 9 3900 w/5700X. I yet again went with AM4 Ryzen 7 5700X w/6900XT because I remember 1st Gen Ryzens' growing pains and not to mention the price of the new platform. Next month I plan to buy an AM5 Mobo and wait to see the newest offering to be released later this year and compare price to performance.
Thanks Jay long term reviews are appreciated 👍
Had the 7950x3d for about two weeks now. Other than the 10-15 seconds boot times due to memory training, I've had no problems with the CPU.
It's a bummer about Asus quality going down lately. They are normally my go-to brand because I can assume I won't have issues. Any thoughts on what Linus found about comparative FPS loss at higher resolutions in the X3D? Usually the tech world assumes the differences between CPUs becomes less apparent at higher resolutions but they didn't find that to be the case in their hands.
ASOOOS has been overrated for a very long time.
@@cairnex4473 asrock all the time
Hey Jay love your content. I recently built a gaming pc with the 7900x3d and 4 16gb ddr5 vengeance ram sticks 6000mh, and the computer booted past the bios with Amd expo and all ram at max clock speed. I notice you said you were unable to get your pc to boot with more than 2 sticks of ram and was curious what your thoughts are on this situation.
Thanks Jay awesome report as always! It has been more than 12 years since I last built an AMD rig. It was a Phenom if recall correctly. Currently running an I7-4770K with an EVGA 1080Ti that seems to work just fine for what I use my PC; some productivity and some gaming. I was thinking it may be time to upgrade to a 13th gen Intel CPU with a 4000 series NVidia GPU to go with it or even a new 7000X3D series AMD. I think I'm gonna hold off for now it's just too expensive. I can play dust on the wind about as much as you played it. I'll keep on practicing on my guitar to master the whole song as I wait for more reports from you on the new AMD CPUs and hope prices drop from ridiculous to more accessible.
Yooo 4790k with a 1080 gtx here :D , Hasn't failed me yet on any games. I'll probably upgrade it at some point but idk 🤷♂️
The "Dust in The Wind" intro was outstanding, very well played. I have subscribed to your channel, you know what your are doing in computers.
Start more vids with guitar!
Definitely another update, I've been having issues with my own rig. Strix x670e-e , 7950x3d , g.skill tridentz neo 6000mhz (2x32gb) running EXPO 1. Some days it boots to Windows just fine, some days it gets c5 errors and reboots, some days it hangs on 0d and doesn't boot. USB dropouts have been pretty common and the occasional stop code blue screen... It's fun to tinker 😂
When did the usb dropouts occur? Just random or could they be recreated?
Hopefully you fix these issues. Tinkering is cool and all however you should not have to deal with these serious problems with the money you paid for a brand new PC. I went with a i9 13900KS and RTX 4090 and it just works.
2X32GB are hard to run even on 7950X, have you tried Buidzoid timing (if you have hynix M or A die on your sticks) ?
Loved AMD, miss my 5900x but yeah, this is the reason why Intel has advantage in my opinion.
Plug and play, no dramas... and KS version is cherry picked so no dramas with crazy voltages
I feel your pain (running same ram/cpu) funny enough older bios helped
I had a nightmare experience with upgrading to Ryzen 7950. My PC would just randomly crash under different loads, sometimes it would crash during games it would crash but performance would turn absolutely into a horrid mess, or it would crash randomly while idle at desktop. Long story short I replaced almost all components on their own MB (x670eand MSI ACE) then replaced my PSU(EVGA 1300 GT) then did memtest on my Gskillz Trident Neo 6000 kit failed the test so replaced it with different kit Corsair 5600 dom plats passed memtest. Still had the same issues going on so others said its probably the GPU causing the crashing so I RMA’s my 3090 which funny enough apparently was so bad that ASUS didn’t bother trying to fix it and sent a replacement without notifying me till I asked them. GPU was not able to enable resizable bar before but now it works with the new card so it fixed a different issue but did not fix the main issue. Turns out it’s the motherboard that is bad BOTH times. I finally got a blue screen, had never gotten a BSOD once yet and it was a memory management error. Board finally also gave a C5 error which matches the BSOD. Turns out on the replacement motherboard dim 1 & 3 would not boot at all with any ram stick in any configuration which meant it was MSI memory management module on the MB. All that part swapping just for the original part that went bad to also go bad on a new replacement. After all that I said screw it and returned the MB and went 13th gen 13900k and have not had 1 problem yet and absolutely feel like this setup now performs much better overall in my gaming and art workloads. I did do many testing methods I took about a month of testing parts and different setups before saying im done with AMD. I wont be going back to amd for awhile now because of this bad experience and yes I know it was new platform but man was it a nightmare for me who doesn’t have many components to try stuff out.
Yes, another update would be good. All the reviews out there are generic benchmarking stuff from what I've seen, I appreciate a knowledgable take in this format to better make a decision. Planning major upgrade later this year.
Man, I'm still runing the i5-8600k. It's by no means a powerhouse by modern standards, but it's stunningly capable for its age.
Would love any updates, given the new-ness of the 7000 series and this x3d variant in particular, I'd expect some kind of changes and an update later on would let everyone know if things will improve, or if the platform is just going to be jank the whole time.
Ryzen 7000 is janky, if you want AMD 5700x/5800x3D is really the only decent choices.
@@mikem9536I've been running a 7700X with a Radeon 7900 XTX, no problems in the last couple months. Expo actually worked flawlessly at 6000. Jay did turn me off to getting the eventual 7800X3D because of the issues he was getting with this one.
Would love a 90 day review. Also, how is windows 11 working with it? Since thier has been a lot of reported problems with win 11 and the new ryzen CPUs. The reports are why I have have stayed win 10 but not sure if I'm losing performance bc of it.
Windows 11 sucks for all CPUs and RAM. Performance is worse on windows 11 and it will use 20 GB of RAM at startup(no programs) and when you game it will increases to like 32 GB.
Windows 11 uses like 30% of RAM for cache and you can't free ut
I have a 7700X and im running Windows 11 no problem, no crashes, everything working as expected. (Don´t have a X3D chip tho)
dont switch there are to many problems on win11 everything was great on my new ryzen7700+6700xt but after win11 all goes to shit even the overlay from riva statistic server had to go because some games wont start with it
@@CarissanaPlease don't generalize. Lots of examples of systems running perfectly fine, like mine (Ryzen 9 7950X with 2x32GB DDR5-6000, MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SuprimX).
How far we’ve come. I still remember the original Skunkworks and how it blew my mind.
Kansas - Dust in the Wind, and Oasis - Wonderwall, you have excellent taste sir.
I think I could watch/listen to Jay play guitar as a relaxation method I never knew I needed in my life.