After seeing how a corrupt government reacts in a time of crisis and hides under a cloak of stupidity. Yeah I would like to forget this year as well. 2020 is not longer welcomed.
I've always loved how the only way sci-fi knows how to represent damage to a spaceship with an inside shot is by just having whatever random objects are around spark and explode.
This, with a little tweaking, could easily have been made into a full-length movie. It's a shame Voyager didn't get a movie treatment, as long as it lasted as a show proved it had a fan base that would see it. Year of Hell was an amazing two-parter, definitely one of the very best of Star Trek Voyager, and all of Trek in general in my opinion.
The two part episode The Year of Hell is just another example of how Voyager failed its fans, playing it save and fulling reseting the ship to brand new again. That's actually a big frustration for me, that the ship kept looking perfect and new, despite the beatings that the ship took over and over. One of the first things they would have stopped doing was cosmetic repairs to the ship.
3:09 That moment when Annorax realized that THEY were the one element in the calculations that they kept overlooking. Also, I think Year of Hell should be a Mandatory watching for everyone when 2020 is over.
Yes, but at the same time, the whole reversal setting the series back most of a season would have really gotten some people angry, so it's a bit half-and-half.
@@Cool70sfreak Could've worked if they didn't make it a "total reset". Maybe they could've found a way to shield themself from that reset (like the temporal ship, whatever it's called). Instead of being destroyed Voyager could've been in really bad shape in the end and after everything else was reset met the Krenim who offer their services to repair the ship. At the beginning of season 3 they could've departured, back on track to earth - Voyager repaired and restocked.
The network intervened. Serialized shows weren’t popular on network television back then. Originally, the season 3 finale was supposed to introduce the Krenim and launch a really bad hair day for the Voyager crew which would have taken them through season 4. Even having Voyager look completely destroyed after this two parter wasn’t permitted because the show still needed to be sold into syndication and episodic shows were easier sold.
I love how at the beginning the Krenem ship was a small shitty vessel and its captain was extremely rude. Once the natural history was restored the Krenem ship was a good sized warship. It's captain was professional and polite.
Also there was an alternative history "Delta Rising" where Captain Paris of the USS Aventine actually appealed to the Krenim Imperium for help against the Iconians at the start of the 25th Century. The ship that helped that was named "Annorax" after Paris and Chakotay's "stay" on the temporal ship.
I take it you don't have horses. Shetlands are small, shitty little things but can be very rude and pushy. Whereas Friesian stallions can be huge but polite and gentle. I've seen an elderly Shetland stare down a Clydesdale five times its size to protect a new mare that had joined the herd. The Clydesdale took one look at his expression and thought better of it. So, this episode reminds me of that. The little guy always thinks he has something to prove. The big guy knows he doesn't.
I was thinking that when the guy turned off the temporal weapons that what Red should've said was; "You're shutting down the temporal core..... DUMB ASS!!!"
I might be in the minority here but this (maybe not quite so banged up but at least visibly scarred) is how I wanted Voyager to be at the end. Battered but defiant, stepping triumphantly over the finish line. Instead we got prestine voyager without a scratch, as shiney as the day she launched, despite 7 years of fighting. They even experimented with the concept with Equinox but never implemented it with Voyager. Don't get me wrong I loved the show, but I definitely feel the reimagined Battlestar Galactica out Voyagered Voyager on that score.
At the beginning of the show they used an actual Ship Model for voyager and i would think that it could be tough to be consistent with the damage using models, also might be very costly. Once they switched to CGI Models they could have done it but at that point it was already established that voyager gets repaired after every episode.^^ Enterprise did a good job at keeping the ship battered in Season 3 after the Xindi attack, guess that could have been the way to display voyager...but well didnt happen.
Yep. Voyager went through massive battles nearly every third or fourth episode, yet looked pristine the next episode. How is that possible with just shipboard resources? As much of a beating as Voyager took through the seasons, it should have looked like it did near the end of the 2nd episode during this two-parter by the end of the seventh season. This is one of the things I admired about "Enterprise". The ship started to accumulate damage, from dings and dents to whole sections of the hull torn away and patched over. Sure, Enterprise had several "reset button" moments (like the episode "Dead Stop") but the show wisely used the logical deterioration of the ship to help further the overall story arc of the 3rd season with interesting episodes built around the difficulties of keeping the ship functioning like the episode "Damage" -wherein the crew of the Enterprise resorts to stealing a warp-coil from a neutral alien ship. In my opinion, I think "Enterprise" was the last good (or at least decent, depending on who you talk to) Star Trek series we will ever see (outside of fan-made stuff.)
@@Vulpine407 Yes, Enterprise did do a great job of making the damage that the ship took, seem more realistic. I also agree with your statement on it being the last good series, unfortunately.
@@Vulpine407 Voyager has advanced replicators. They but the Delta flyer with them. They can replace anything damaged as long as they have power and Deuterium.
The guy was not happy with 98% the history being restored he thought that's the problem was other people but it never acurred to him that the 2% is been him all along. Most times when we make all the changes to things, events and how people evolved in the events involved the world and nothing changes the issue is that we forgot to make changes in one thing....ourself...most time if nothing changes then the problems is ourself. Food for thoughts.
It’s like if the British were offered their empire back (India, African nations, Hong Kong, etc).. but not including the small island of Bermuda. They still would not be satisfied.
I love how the only way for Annorax to achieve his objective was to give it up entirely and that he couldn't see the true solution through his obsession despite it staring him blank in the face
Good old Year of Hell. Horribly under-delivering, yet still two of the best episodes in all Star Trek The best part for me, what elevates it from "Good" to truly "great" is the Irony that in losing, Red Forman got everything he ever wanted: His life back. *He* was the one variable that he always overlooked. That elusive 2% that he just never could get right.
Early 2000's tv executives "Serialized TV will never work, let's keep this great idea for an entire season just down to a two parter shall we." Battlestar Galactica and DS9 "Excuse me?"
Apparently, if certain detractors of the most recent Trek shows are to. E believed, that’s EXACTLY how they feel.. wanting a return to TOS way of producing..
@@somewhereoutthere8405 yeah that is how i feel like a lot people want star trek to be a non serialized show and i mean so far it seems to be working for strange new worlds but i wont lie i feel like honestly being a non serialized show is a bit out of date. but it can still have its place.
Wow I agree with you all, this was on the best double episodes of Star Trek ever. I remember watching it as a teen, and then again at uni, and even now just the extract not high definition on TH-cam, it still sends shivers down my spine. The other surprising thing is of course casting the guty who played the cranky dad on That 70s Show haha!
When dealing with humans "Doc Browning" their way through science and technology the vulcans made sure to set the initial sturdiness and reliability levels to a seemingly unreasonably high level.
When you think about it, the Annorax is the most powerful superweapon of all time. It is able to alter the flow of time, while being invulnerable as it exists outside of the spacetime continuum.
@@DLordSadow You are correct. The plan fell apart after the rescue, and ramming the temporal ship, was a last chance-hail Mary, with the hope it would reset the time line. And, it worked.
That temporal incursion was so powerful that another version of Annorax, landed on a dystopian version of Earth when he became a known criminal in Detroit 🙄
You know... I always liked to think that part of why Annerex could never restore his wife was because of that strand of hair.... One piece of her time could not reach. And when it shattered, he realized that was the key. lol but then, that's just my own thinking.
I don't buy this theory. First of all that isn't her. Hair is dead matter. I'm sure there are the remnants of dead skin cells on that ship of tons of people from their home world and they restored that repeatedly.
Side note if you look on the big base ship all the texture maps are the same dread detail maps etc used for babylon 5 were in the lightwave 3d space folder we all had at time.
probably because that lock of hair was shielded from their incursions much like when voyager got there temperal shielding and it screwed with their incursion.
*@Patrick Schulz ~* Obviously, there is no _'Alpha'_ (official) Canon detailed explanation. But the two generally accepted explanatory-theories in the ST-community are... 1. *_The Lock of Hair_** ~* As you (& others) speculated... One lesser, but acceptable, (fan-)theory is that because Annorax kept his wife's lock of hair in a time-shielded case, it acted as a "temporal anchor" against any changes it was connected to. So the irony being that Annorax could never find/restore his wife and Kyana Prime, even if he spent Eternity trying to do so, because he would (unknowingly) never let go of the one thing preventing both from being fully reintegrated & restored into the timeline(s). 2. *_Annorax Himself_** ~* The more widely accepted & plausible (fan-)theory in the ST-community, which is reinforced by the final closing epilogue of *[VOY 4x(08-09) - "The Year of Hell"],* is that the missing factor to restoring Kyana Prime and Annorax's wife, was _Annorax himself._ That for all his calculations, simulations, & incursions, across 200+ years of wandering outside of Time, trying to find his way home, Annorax neglected to include & account for *_HIMSELF_* in all those equations. Tragically, Annorax's arrogance and obsession blinded him to that simple missing equative factor. Put more simply, _'You can never meet your wife, if _*_YOU_*_ do not show up as well.'_ Hope this helps clarify. *:)*
Definitly one of the best VOY Episodes. Curtwood Smith as the Villian... A great Impersonation of a classical "Mad Scientist". Sadly you have cut off the End, when he met his wife. He's doing all this temporal incursions just to bring her back.
Tnere's tradition among FX teams working on SF shows and movies to give each other little easter egg shout-outs, like a brief glimpse of the Millennium Falcon in Star Trek. It wouldn't be surprising if there was a deliberate nod to B5 here.
Of all the Star Trek captains, Sisko is probably the worst. All he has going for him is utter ruthlessness, and you can get that from any Romulan. Picard is the best strategist and negotiator, Kirk is the best tactician and hand-to-hand expert, Archer is the most creative in the sense that he invented a lot of what would become standard for later ships, and Janeway is probably the most cunning and underhanded con artist.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace totally disagree. Kirk is the worst IMO if for no other reason than he spent an episode(Requiem for Methuselah) chasing android tail instead of finding a cure for his 400+ crew that was about to start coughing up their organs. In fact he actively endangered their chances of getting said cure. Horrible leadership. Sisko is easily the best strategist/tactician of the captains, and while Picard is the clear winner in diplomacy, Sisko is a damn fine negotiator, usually by making the other party see how bad the other choices are(or could be). Sisko is also the most human of the captains(ironic given he's half prophet). Picard and Archer got some development as people, but that only puts them a bit ahead of Janeway and Kirk who were pretty much only ever seen to be "starfleet captains". Sisko was a family man, a widower, he had hobbies and interests, liked to cook, mentored a young man into a fine starfleet officer, took a personal interest in the lives of his crew(and not just senior staff), and infact everyone on DS9. Sisko was a people person.
I've been binge watching Star Trek lately (from TNG as I watched TOS last year) and finished Voyager sometime ago. But yeah, I was thinking of the pandemic as I watched these 2 episodes.
"Our space is in dispute" *hangs up* me: ok but where are their boarders? What planets should they avoid? Can they negotiate a certain route? No? Okaaaaaay then. Nice chat. Dick.
Always liked the mini series type in Trek. I actually prefer it over the season long arcs. Mainly because it gets depressing to see your heros get beaten down for so long. A two to four part mini is perfect for hour long episodes. It'll like a movie. Plus you get fresh villians, locations, and plots.
I keep trying to find the version with the *end* end. Where the enemy captain just puts down the designs and leaves it... Ironically getting everything he wanted.
It’s odd they don’t care what course Tom plots around the space. They just made this big deal about the astrometrics lab allowing for cutting a few percent of their journey but here they don’t even look at possible course options, or even have any sense as to how big of a delay this decision to go around as just had on their journey.
Because the original Krenim was aggressive and provoked them, but were too weak to be a threat. So janeway ignored their commands, for expedience and to annoy them. ...seriously.
Quite frankly, I feel like this is what Voyager should’ve been, constantly be on the brink of being destroyed and is constantly in disarray. It always bugs me that in majority of the episodes, Voyager was usually in a decent to almost brand new condition and they seem to have no problem keeping their torpedos in check. Sure, they constantly getting destroyed or whatever, but they seem to get flung back into like it was nothing.
Well, they do have Replicators, which were obviously capable of building whole shuttle in the matter of days(if not hours), so for me it is not that suprising that they were capable of repairing most if not all of the damage. As long as they have raw materials, i think that the replicator could make anything out of it. The reasons they could not repair it in this timeline were because they were constantly hounded and had no time to replenish their resources.
@@HanithSVKyes I understand, but it is also part of the problem I always had an issue with. Since they had no backup and likely would need days to repair external issues and so forth, you’d assume they would’ve continued to be bombarded by raiders, foreign aliens they never encountered, etc. enough times that keeping up with those issues would’ve been an problem. And at some point, replenishing supplies had never really been much of a issue either except for in the beginning when they needed to figure a way to solve that eventual problem and also that one time (Demon planet) where it really was a problem.
Uh? 2370? Why is Janeway crowing about bringing essentially fresh of the vine wine. Is this “The Jerk” where new wine is most exquisite. Picard needs to have the academy teach some basic sommelier courses.
How would destroying that ship reset history to normal ? Ship already made changes. If ship would have been decomissioned in future would history reset too ? Temporal plot holes.
The ship itself wasn't destroyed per se, but the temporal core, the weapon used to erase civilisations from history. Destroying that caused it to destabilise and erase the ship itself, thus reversing every single change it did. Turning the thing off or decommissioning it safely wouldn't reset history. I think if it were physically removed from the ship and destabilised in an empty region of space, it would be safe too, but that one is up in the air. The time ship might need temporal shields just in case.
@@WaterCrane You're correct, remember during a trekkie convention here in Vegas that was one of the questions asked during a Q&A and the writer and director pretty much said what you said. That the only reason history was reset was because the core *destabilized* and thus erased the parent ship that caused the changes in the first place.
According to temporal logic. The relativity was not required. Sure the krenim erased thousands of species. In the end though none of it ever happened so there wouldn't a history of it for relativity to fix. Even if there was a history of it, they already knew Janeway would fix it 100%.
This is a closed loop. Since the events ultimately don't alter history, the Relativity doesn't even know about it. Also, some time travel is supposed to happen. That's why nobody came back to stop Kirk.
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Me to 2020: "This is one year I'd like to forget.....Time's up."
True story
all we need now is a time ship to blow up
After seeing how a corrupt government reacts in a time of crisis and hides under a cloak of stupidity. Yeah I would like to forget this year as well. 2020 is not longer welcomed.
Wish she said see you in hell.
2021: KNOCK KNOCK OPEN UP THE DOOR ITS REEL
Voyager oblitered -> Big kaboom... ''...the past couple of week's have been uneventful...''. This is the pinnacle of trek humour
Best summary on how disappointing Voyager turned out.
@@TheLaughingMan712 no its the best summary of Year of Hell ending. Voyager was awesome.!
@@TheLaughingMan712 Voyager is great. What's wrong with you?
@@captainjefferies9047 About average for a Star Trek fan. There's people who hate each individual series.
@@shogun2215 Yeah but those people aren't Star Trek fans.
I've always loved how the only way sci-fi knows how to represent damage to a spaceship with an inside shot is by just having whatever random objects are around spark and explode.
This, with a little tweaking, could easily have been made into a full-length movie. It's a shame Voyager didn't get a movie treatment, as long as it lasted as a show proved it had a fan base that would see it. Year of Hell was an amazing two-parter, definitely one of the very best of Star Trek Voyager, and all of Trek in general in my opinion.
I’m just glad Voyager made it home eventually. Lost in space has had 2 or 3 shows and 1 movie. And in NONE of them do we see them get home.
Would rather have had a Year of Hell movie than Insurrection lol
The Year of Hell was supposed to be an entire season, but Voyager was in danger of cancelation, so they shortened it to a 2-parter
@@michaelrnahas4425 It's so sad. It would have finally used the severity of their stranded situation to make a very dense plot.
The two part episode The Year of Hell is just another example of how Voyager failed its fans, playing it save and fulling reseting the ship to brand new again. That's actually a big frustration for me, that the ship kept looking perfect and new, despite the beatings that the ship took over and over. One of the first things they would have stopped doing was cosmetic repairs to the ship.
RIKER probably hates the Fire at Will command
Who is Will, and why do we keep shooting at him?
Definitely one of Voyager's best episodes.
Alongside 'Blink of an Eye', yes.
When not the best of all.
Agreed!
Voyager is a series of extremes, ...has the best episodes and the worst episodes of the franchise!
@@pendarpr It's ok, you can reference Threshold by name.
3:09
That moment when Annorax realized that THEY were the one element in the calculations that they kept overlooking.
Also, I think Year of Hell should be a Mandatory watching for everyone when 2020 is over.
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Annorax to one of his subordinates: "Dumbass you left us out!".
Imagine if he'd realised it earlier and factored it into his equations.
Ha you didnt even consider 2022
Agreed. 2020 and 2021 are years I'd rather forget.
It's a shame that the Year of Hell went from being proposed as the entire season to just 2 episodes.
Yes, but at the same time, the whole reversal setting the series back most of a season would have really gotten some people angry, so it's a bit half-and-half.
@@Cool70sfreak Could've worked if they didn't make it a "total reset". Maybe they could've found a way to shield themself from that reset (like the temporal ship, whatever it's called). Instead of being destroyed Voyager could've been in really bad shape in the end and after everything else was reset met the Krenim who offer their services to repair the ship. At the beginning of season 3 they could've departured, back on track to earth - Voyager repaired and restocked.
In fairness, they were still using a physical model of Voyager at the time so keeping up with the damage would have been a serious issue.
yea that still bothers me
The network intervened. Serialized shows weren’t popular on network television back then. Originally, the season 3 finale was supposed to introduce the Krenim and launch a really bad hair day for the Voyager crew which would have taken them through season 4. Even having Voyager look completely destroyed after this two parter wasn’t permitted because the show still needed to be sold into syndication and episodic shows were easier sold.
I love how at the beginning the Krenem ship was a small shitty vessel and its captain was extremely rude. Once the natural history was restored the Krenem ship was a good sized warship. It's captain was professional and polite.
Also there was an alternative history "Delta Rising" where Captain Paris of the USS Aventine actually appealed to the Krenim Imperium for help against the Iconians at the start of the 25th Century. The ship that helped that was named "Annorax" after Paris and Chakotay's "stay" on the temporal ship.
@@deathstrike Ah, I see you like STO...
He could have at least given Voyager a map of the contested area so they wouldn't inadvertently cross into it while trying to avoid it.
It's KreIm
I take it you don't have horses. Shetlands are small, shitty little things but can be very rude and pushy. Whereas Friesian stallions can be huge but polite and gentle. I've seen an elderly Shetland stare down a Clydesdale five times its size to protect a new mare that had joined the herd. The Clydesdale took one look at his expression and thought better of it. So, this episode reminds me of that.
The little guy always thinks he has something to prove. The big guy knows he doesn't.
kitty's drinking finally pushed red over the edge.
I was thinking that when the guy turned off the temporal weapons that what Red should've said was; "You're shutting down the temporal core..... DUMB ASS!!!"
Janeway’s TIMES UP was so badass.
Just watched it yet again. Thanks for the upload
I might be in the minority here but this (maybe not quite so banged up but at least visibly scarred) is how I wanted Voyager to be at the end. Battered but defiant, stepping triumphantly over the finish line.
Instead we got prestine voyager without a scratch, as shiney as the day she launched, despite 7 years of fighting. They even experimented with the concept with Equinox but never implemented it with Voyager.
Don't get me wrong I loved the show, but I definitely feel the reimagined Battlestar Galactica out Voyagered Voyager on that score.
And after seven years, we never got to meet the crewmen in charge of repainting the hull.
Well that was the original plan for Voyager, but I think you know considering you're aware of the connection between BG and Voyager.
Yea BattleStar Galactica was pretty much a wreck by the time they reached 'Earth' It was literally beat to hell.
At the beginning of the show they used an actual Ship Model for voyager and i would think that it could be tough to be consistent with the damage using models, also might be very costly. Once they switched to CGI Models they could have done it but at that point it was already established that voyager gets repaired after every episode.^^
Enterprise did a good job at keeping the ship battered in Season 3 after the Xindi attack, guess that could have been the way to display voyager...but well didnt happen.
I always thought that too. Should've at least come through with a few mismatched patches on the hull.
one of the things about this two part is we finally see Voyager banged up rather then looking pristine all the time
Yep. Voyager went through massive battles nearly every third or fourth episode, yet looked pristine the next episode. How is that possible with just shipboard resources? As much of a beating as Voyager took through the seasons, it should have looked like it did near the end of the 2nd episode during this two-parter by the end of the seventh season. This is one of the things I admired about "Enterprise". The ship started to accumulate damage, from dings and dents to whole sections of the hull torn away and patched over. Sure, Enterprise had several "reset button" moments (like the episode "Dead Stop") but the show wisely used the logical deterioration of the ship to help further the overall story arc of the 3rd season with interesting episodes built around the difficulties of keeping the ship functioning like the episode "Damage" -wherein the crew of the Enterprise resorts to stealing a warp-coil from a neutral alien ship.
In my opinion, I think "Enterprise" was the last good (or at least decent, depending on who you talk to) Star Trek series we will ever see (outside of fan-made stuff.)
@@Vulpine407 Yes, Enterprise did do a great job of making the damage that the ship took, seem more realistic. I also agree with your statement on it being the last good series, unfortunately.
@@Vulpine407 Well, Intrepid classes were long range science vessels, so they were easily self sustainable
And the decks full of rocks.
@@Vulpine407 Voyager has advanced replicators. They but the Delta flyer with them. They can replace anything damaged as long as they have power and Deuterium.
Really smart to edit out the very final scene - no one cares about that touching completion to an epic episode
The guy was not happy with 98% the history being restored he thought that's the problem was other people but it never acurred to him that the 2% is been him all along. Most times when we make all the changes to things, events and how people evolved in the events involved the world and nothing changes the issue is that we forgot to make changes in one thing....ourself...most time if nothing changes then the problems is ourself. Food for thoughts.
It’s like if the British were offered their empire back (India, African nations, Hong Kong, etc).. but not including the small island of Bermuda. They still would not be satisfied.
Such an intense episode. Memorable
I forgot that Red Foreman was featured on Voyager… I remembered when he played the Federation President
I love how the only way for Annorax to achieve his objective was to give it up entirely and that he couldn't see the true solution through his obsession despite it staring him blank in the face
Good old Year of Hell. Horribly under-delivering, yet still two of the best episodes in all Star Trek
The best part for me, what elevates it from "Good" to truly "great" is the Irony that in losing, Red Forman got everything he ever wanted: His life back. *He* was the one variable that he always overlooked. That elusive 2% that he just never could get right.
I was waiting for the Krenim captain to call someone a dumbass
He didn't plant so much as ONE foot in somebody's ass.
Early 2000's tv executives "Serialized TV will never work, let's keep this great idea for an entire season just down to a two parter shall we."
Battlestar Galactica and DS9 "Excuse me?"
Apparently, if certain detractors of the most recent Trek shows are to. E believed, that’s EXACTLY how they feel.. wanting a return to TOS way of producing..
@@somewhereoutthere8405 yeah that is how i feel like a lot people want star trek to be a non serialized show and i mean so far it seems to be working for strange new worlds but i wont lie i feel like honestly being a non serialized show is a bit out of date. but it can still have its place.
Babylon 5: "Hold my brivari."
Battlestar Craptica proved them right by turning into complete crap halfway through the second season.
Only Kate Mulgrew could deliver, what is objectively a very cheesy line, like a complete badass
Wow I agree with you all, this was on the best double episodes of Star Trek ever. I remember watching it as a teen, and then again at uni, and even now just the extract not high definition on TH-cam, it still sends shivers down my spine.
The other surprising thing is of course casting the guty who played the cranky dad on That 70s Show haha!
Sir, plot armor is offline!
Plot = Permeable Loophole Of Time?
it literally was lot armor
@@christopherg2347 No. It's a polycarbonate laced titanium armor.
Understood, rerouting power to the deflector dish now
Amazing how much of a bartering starfleet ships can take
When dealing with humans "Doc Browning" their way through science and technology the vulcans made sure to set the initial sturdiness and reliability levels to a seemingly unreasonably high level.
Ferengi ships are much better at bartering.
Only Voyager.
The rest of the ships are glass shields.
50 gold latinum!
@@BrandyBrandalia Defiant could take a battering.
I love this episode
2:33: GET JEM'HADARED UPON!
xD
When you think about it, the Annorax is the most powerful superweapon of all time. It is able to alter the flow of time, while being invulnerable as it exists outside of the spacetime continuum.
Makes you wonder why the Q didn't take notice
@@Hahnfruh yeah i wont lie i sometimes wonder why the Q dont take notice of a lot of things.
Annorax was the captain, not the vessel.
@@Hahnfruh maybe he did, and nudged Voyager in their directed to test Janeway
Q must consider a visit to Annorax LOL
1:17 - The state of Voyager! She’s totally wrecked! 😔
“Sir, Janeway has invented the bridge window.”
“Erase her now or we are all doomed! Nooooo!”
'Target Voyager, put Janeway out of her misery.'
Correct me if I'm wrong but rescuing Tom and chacotay was pointless because the time line was reset anyway
I don’t think erasing the ship from history was the original plan. Janeway improvised when the plan went sideways.
@@DLordSadow You are correct. The plan fell apart after the rescue, and ramming the temporal ship, was a last chance-hail Mary, with the hope it would reset the time line. And, it worked.
every year that goes by I dislike Voyager just that much more
@@demo3456 eh, your opinion
@@danmarsh7985 oh don't get me wrong it's still leaps better then what they put out today.
That temporal incursion was so powerful that another version of Annorax, landed on a dystopian version of Earth when he became a known criminal in Detroit 🙄
You know... I always liked to think that part of why Annerex could never restore his wife was because of that strand of hair.... One piece of her time could not reach. And when it shattered, he realized that was the key. lol but then, that's just my own thinking.
I don't buy this theory. First of all that isn't her. Hair is dead matter. I'm sure there are the remnants of dead skin cells on that ship of tons of people from their home world and they restored that repeatedly.
Side note if you look on the big base ship all the texture maps are the same dread detail maps etc used for babylon 5 were in the lightwave 3d space folder we all had at time.
I always wondered; if Annorax _hadn't_ kept that lock of hair, would Kyana Prime have been restored at any point?
probably because that lock of hair was shielded from their incursions much like when voyager got there temperal shielding and it screwed with their incursion.
or atleast thats how i look at it.
@@ThatRockstarJunkie reasonable assumption
*@Patrick Schulz ~* Obviously, there is no _'Alpha'_ (official) Canon detailed explanation. But the two generally accepted explanatory-theories in the ST-community are...
1. *_The Lock of Hair_** ~* As you (& others) speculated... One lesser, but acceptable, (fan-)theory is that because Annorax kept his wife's lock of hair in a time-shielded case, it acted as a "temporal anchor" against any changes it was connected to. So the irony being that Annorax could never find/restore his wife and Kyana Prime, even if he spent Eternity trying to do so, because he would (unknowingly) never let go of the one thing preventing both from being fully reintegrated & restored into the timeline(s).
2. *_Annorax Himself_** ~* The more widely accepted & plausible (fan-)theory in the ST-community, which is reinforced by the final closing epilogue of *[VOY 4x(08-09) - "The Year of Hell"],* is that the missing factor to restoring Kyana Prime and Annorax's wife, was _Annorax himself._ That for all his calculations, simulations, & incursions, across 200+ years of wandering outside of Time, trying to find his way home, Annorax neglected to include & account for *_HIMSELF_* in all those equations. Tragically, Annorax's arrogance and obsession blinded him to that simple missing equative factor.
Put more simply, _'You can never meet your wife, if _*_YOU_*_ do not show up as well.'_
Hope this helps clarify. *:)*
@@pendrake40 I never considered that. That's great.
Anyone watching this episode hoping 2020 is over?
Watching this in 2023 and wishing for 2020 prices.
Definitly one of the best VOY Episodes.
Curtwood Smith as the Villian...
A great Impersonation of a classical "Mad Scientist".
Sadly you have cut off the End, when he met his wife.
He's doing all this temporal incursions just to bring her back.
I wonder if in the first episode if the guy wasn't so hostile and got to the point, I wonder if the Year of Hell wouldn't have happened? 🤔
To think, it was because of Annorax's hubris with trying to restore his dead wife that he and his crew were locked in an eternal fool's mission.
Annorax ships looks like the Bablyon 5 one.
i was just wondering if anyone who designed Babalon 5 was involved in making that
I think by now Foundation Imaging was doing the CGI for Voyager
Tnere's tradition among FX teams working on SF shows and movies to give each other little easter egg shout-outs, like a brief glimpse of the Millennium Falcon in Star Trek. It wouldn't be surprising if there was a deliberate nod to B5 here.
The plot of DS9 also coincidentally looked that of Babylon 5 as well LOLOLOL
I have always thought the exact same thing
GRACIAS muchas Susanna Chisolm; very good construct this clip
People talk about Sisco being a bad ass (, which he was) bit I'd bet Janeway is Even more so
No Sisko is undoubtedly the baddest mofo in starfleet, but Janeway brings the crazy like no other
Of all the Star Trek captains, Sisko is probably the worst. All he has going for him is utter ruthlessness, and you can get that from any Romulan. Picard is the best strategist and negotiator, Kirk is the best tactician and hand-to-hand expert, Archer is the most creative in the sense that he invented a lot of what would become standard for later ships, and Janeway is probably the most cunning and underhanded con artist.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace totally disagree. Kirk is the worst IMO if for no other reason than he spent an episode(Requiem for Methuselah) chasing android tail instead of finding a cure for his 400+ crew that was about to start coughing up their organs. In fact he actively endangered their chances of getting said cure. Horrible leadership.
Sisko is easily the best strategist/tactician of the captains, and while Picard is the clear winner in diplomacy, Sisko is a damn fine negotiator, usually by making the other party see how bad the other choices are(or could be). Sisko is also the most human of the captains(ironic given he's half prophet). Picard and Archer got some development as people, but that only puts them a bit ahead of Janeway and Kirk who were pretty much only ever seen to be "starfleet captains". Sisko was a family man, a widower, he had hobbies and interests, liked to cook, mentored a young man into a fine starfleet officer, took a personal interest in the lives of his crew(and not just senior staff), and infact everyone on DS9. Sisko was a people person.
@@Jarsia He also made for one badass war criminal.
Sisco is a chump. He got in the box.
Janeway is so badass I can't actually deal
Nerve wracking episodes!
This two parter is better than anything they got on discovery now.
Agreed. Though Picard has gone in much better direction.
I feel like Star Trek ended with Voyager, everything else after it is pure crap.
@@WatchThis-ek2og Enterprise is better than Voyager.
Thumbs up if you're watching this towards the end of 2020--our own year of hell!
I've been binge watching Star Trek lately (from TNG as I watched TOS last year) and finished Voyager sometime ago. But yeah, I was thinking of the pandemic as I watched these 2 episodes.
2024 is not much better to be fair.
All he had to do was use the weapon on his own ship to restore the empire but all he could think of was restoring the life of his wife.
4:09 Bet Harry was hoping he'd finally get a promotion. Poor sucker.
He doesn't deserve a promotion for getting Kess fired from the show.
"Our space is in dispute" *hangs up*
me: ok but where are their boarders? What planets should they avoid? Can they negotiate a certain route? No? Okaaaaaay then. Nice chat. Dick.
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Will Riker on Earth: who keeps firin at me
Poor Will Ryker, he needs his own ship.
I'm like that every year that's so bad. Time's up.
Crackin double episode
Always liked the mini series type in Trek. I actually prefer it over the season long arcs. Mainly because it gets depressing to see your heros get beaten down for so long. A two to four part mini is perfect for hour long episodes. It'll like a movie.
Plus you get fresh villians, locations, and plots.
People tend to hate the "reset button" that Voyager used so often, but at least it made sense here with the Krenim ship erasing itself from history.
It's ironic how yet another version of Voyager is destroyed and then we go back to 'day one' of when they encountered the group.
I keep trying to find the version with the *end* end. Where the enemy captain just puts down the designs and leaves it... Ironically getting everything he wanted.
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"it's going to cause...a shit load of sparks"...gonna need a sparky to sort that out
0:15 - When your crew finds out you were the bad guy in "Robocop"
Always knew Janeway would go down with the ship if it came to it.
"2370, I hear that was a good year"
*Looks up 2370 on Memory Alpha*
Oh boy 'good year' might be overstating it
Janeway riding voyager like an atom bomb this is a strong leader janeway.
Yeah my mother, my close friend and I all have Janeway as our favourite...though we all also concede the Picard is a very VERY close second.
Red Foreman was a starship captain 😂😂😂😂
I wonder if he called any of his crew a dumbass?
In Star Trek six he was the president of the Federation.
*Summons Evolution, and her nine moons.*Ω 🔵 "UOY OD TON KEAPS RUO EUGNOT, OT ERAD LLAC EVLESRUOY HOVAD!!!"
How would Tom know the boarders of Krenim space?
I need reruns if this show again.
The Krenim had an inferiority complex in those early days.
“Computer…tactile interface.”
Captain is out of uniform, guess the dry cleaning machine went offline.
Annorax serves Tom and Chakotay food from races that he eliminated. If they never existed, neither would the food
Everything on the ship is protected from changes to the timeline. If they beamed the food aboard first, it won't be erased when the species is.
So what's the punishment for eating an extinct species?
@@colts2323 haha nasty
@@colts2323 Doesn't bother me :)
Red got angry!
It’s odd they don’t care what course Tom plots around the space. They just made this big deal about the astrometrics lab allowing for cutting a few percent of their journey but here they don’t even look at possible course options, or even have any sense as to how big of a delay this decision to go around as just had on their journey.
Am I the only person who was thinking "Ramming Speed!!"
That was the only time I've ever seen Voyager in such bad shape and it got erase.
*Summons them into the asteroid belt.*
4:04. So why didn't they do that in the first place?????????????????
Because the original Krenim was aggressive and provoked them, but were too weak to be a threat.
So janeway ignored their commands, for expedience and to annoy them.
...seriously.
@@Nick-jb4xi That's very unstarfleet of Janeway...
Plus the Krenim ship was out of regular phase so they couldn't do much to it.
Quite frankly, I feel like this is what Voyager should’ve been, constantly be on the brink of being destroyed and is constantly in disarray.
It always bugs me that in majority of the episodes, Voyager was usually in a decent to almost brand new condition and they seem to have no problem keeping their torpedos in check.
Sure, they constantly getting destroyed or whatever, but they seem to get flung back into like it was nothing.
Well, they do have Replicators, which were obviously capable of building whole shuttle in the matter of days(if not hours), so for me it is not that suprising that they were capable of repairing most if not all of the damage. As long as they have raw materials, i think that the replicator could make anything out of it. The reasons they could not repair it in this timeline were because they were constantly hounded and had no time to replenish their resources.
@@HanithSVKyes I understand, but it is also part of the problem I always had an issue with. Since they had no backup and likely would need days to repair external issues and so forth, you’d assume they would’ve continued to be bombarded by raiders, foreign aliens they never encountered, etc. enough times that keeping up with those issues would’ve been an problem.
And at some point, replenishing supplies had never really been much of a issue either except for in the beginning when they needed to figure a way to solve that eventual problem and also that one time (Demon planet) where it really was a problem.
I don't know why I like Voyager. Hated they year of hell and many of their enemies.
Oh yeah, B'elanna Torres, 7 of 9 and the Borg.
Yup THIS is the covid crazy year of hell
It’s such a shame that they didn’t make this a year long story as they had planned to do
The idea of replicating a specific vintage of wine sounds really weird.
JANEWAY
100% BADASS
too bad they didn't make this episode into an actual season of shows.
Is it just me or does the Krenim ship look a lot like the Babylon 5 Space Station?
Uh? 2370? Why is Janeway crowing about bringing essentially fresh of the vine wine. Is this “The Jerk” where new wine is most exquisite. Picard needs to have the academy teach some basic sommelier courses.
Possibly it's an alien wine that's better when not too aged or the replicator can't do that vintage wine label justice.
Pretty sure this is because Harry Kim graduated Starfleet Academy, class of 2370.
To anyone from the UK, the name Annorax is hilarious.
How would destroying that ship reset history to normal ? Ship already made changes. If ship would have been decomissioned in future would history reset too ? Temporal plot holes.
The ship itself wasn't destroyed per se, but the temporal core, the weapon used to erase civilisations from history. Destroying that caused it to destabilise and erase the ship itself, thus reversing every single change it did. Turning the thing off or decommissioning it safely wouldn't reset history. I think if it were physically removed from the ship and destabilised in an empty region of space, it would be safe too, but that one is up in the air. The time ship might need temporal shields just in case.
@@WaterCrane You're correct, remember during a trekkie convention here in Vegas that was one of the questions asked during a Q&A and the writer and director pretty much said what you said. That the only reason history was reset was because the core *destabilized* and thus erased the parent ship that caused the changes in the first place.
at the end a bottle of 2370, I hear 2347 would have been better.
Is that Red Foreman? 😂
GO MIKEY ‼️‼️‼️
Is it just me or does the thumbnail look like Sigourney Weaver?
DIE BABYLON 5
eh err...
Kate's an awesome actor. Too bad Janeway wasn't written more consistently.
@Amirus no u
She is written consistently. Janeway haters are mentally ill.
How can it be your territory if it’s in dispute?
Where was the Relativity in all this
Excellent question
According to temporal logic. The relativity was not required. Sure the krenim erased thousands of species. In the end though none of it ever happened so there wouldn't a history of it for relativity to fix. Even if there was a history of it, they already knew Janeway would fix it 100%.
This is a closed loop. Since the events ultimately don't alter history, the Relativity doesn't even know about it. Also, some time travel is supposed to happen. That's why nobody came back to stop Kirk.
Just compare these detailed, heart thumping stories to the garbage of Star Trek Discovery. Where have all the good writers gone.
Why do they always make a strong women character go exactly Sigourney Weaver Alien
Annorax. The ultimate simp.
What just happened?