I like how Captain Janeway gave Naomi the same respect as she would an adult member of her crew. AND she seemed to admire the child's determination to get Seven home. She didn't just laugh and dismiss her.
My dad was high ranking civil service for the Dept of defense. The general at the base where he worked was the same way. Treated us kids with respect abd answered us in ways we could understand
@@s.beaumier8765 as a kid saw him as a teacher of sorts. Additionally he was a grandfather so he knew how eobralb to kids. Never talked down to us. Although I was upset to find out that the red phone on his desk wasn’t the Batphone One time he gave me an assignment and I had to monitor this O scope and write down what it did… and I did it! Apparently it was plugged into a radio and it was just background noise and wasn’t actually important. But I felt important. I proudly gave him my report. He did know how to build good PR with kids.
I love how Janeway didn't want a visitor but seeing it was Naomi allowed her in (Although she really didn't want to) then 5 seconds later is all smiles because she realized that this little girl is actually trying.
@@kurtsnyder4752 I think that characterization is rather hyperbolic. Obviously, her physical maturation doesn't correspond to a human child's, for which we would need to know more about Ktarian physiology. However, in no way does she appear to be close to a teen here, or, indeed, when last seen in "Homestead" either. It's reasonable to accept the events of Shattered to be an accurate representation of how she would have looked, 17 years later. That projection was of a young woman, that I think could be described as being in her 20's. So, growing quickly, yes, especially, in her first half-dozen years. But, not out of bounds as you're suggesting, and perhaps, even slowing to a rate, much closer to a human child, after an initial period of time.
2:50 Janeway: It's just a crayon drawing of Voyager firing phasers at a Borg Sphere. Naomi: Look at the back Janeway: Well, I don't know if B'elanna can use a bat'leth like that, but slicing the Borg Queen right down the center would solve a lot of... why is Ensign Kim a Borg drone? Naomi: I drew one of you getting assimilated, because my teacher thought it would be more exciting.
This was one of the best Voyager episodes. The Queen also gave 7 of 9 a temporary implant which allowed the Queen to read her thoughts. Basically, to keep an leash on her. She tells her, "our thoughts are one." Later 7 tells Janeway how to disable the Queen's control of a force field inhibiting transporter function. When she gives Seven a angry look, Seven tells her, "Our thoughts are one." Apparently, the flow of information went both ways. LOL.
"Never abandon a member of your crew." She upheld that principle to the end. Even among her many strengths and virtues, Janeway's loyalty is just epic. She challenged superior enemies, the Prime Directive, space, time and even certain death for her people. She inspired that loyalty in them all, forging them into such an impressive team.
@Techno Pirate Totally. "Family" is not said more often, just because there's protocol to be followed. But they're definitely more than just a crew. I haven't watched Picard beyond season 1. I'm an 80's kid, so I grew up watching TNG. Later, VOY became my absolute favorite. Lately, I finally went ahead with DS9, though I'm not done yet. I've also watched all the movies. Frankly, Picard disappointed me. I just feel the Trek idealistic spirit is so different from these modern, cynical times... That maybe it just cannot be adapted. Picard tried, and failed quite thoroughly as far as I can tell. The plot is rather bland, too. Delving into an overused trope that Trek was always smart to avoid getting too involved with: AI as a species. Sure, we've got the doctor, Data and the occasional alien construct. But it was kept in check. I do wanna see more of Seven, and Q, but I'm quite reluctant to go there again. The way they used Hugh and Icheb as cheap, disposable heart strings to tug... As a Voyager fan, I just can't accept that Seven would be facing all that without anyone else from the old crew even lending a hand. You'd have to restrain half of them, for that. I know they had other prioirities for the show, but it doesn't make much sense. It feels like they're just copy/pasting the more popular elements from different parts of Trek, as if they had existed in a vacuum to begin with... And mashing them together, as if it were as simple as 1+1 = 2. Totally forgetting that those elements were not just good on their own, as nothing ever is in fiction. They became good, by interacting with others in their original environment. We all saw how Torres was to Seven. Which made some of their positive interaction later on, that much more meaningful. When Seven impresses Torres by shocking the Hirogen... ...And SPECIALLY when they both talk about death, in "Imperfection." Of all the characters that could've had screen time along with Seven in that episode, for a meaningful dialog... We get two. Janeway, the obvious... And a beautiful surprise from Torres, with some solid wisdom about our very place in life. Seven is afraid she'll leave nothing behind, as so many people are in that moment. But even Torres can see, that she already has.
@Techno Pirate But how about season 2? I don't wanna be spoiled, btw. Not sure I wanna endure that season if it's mostly bad, just to get season 3. I hear the original Q is in S2, and he's dying. That sounds interesting. DeLancie was awesome, the whole Q thing was usually loads of smart fan, and revisiting the "Q and death" concept is excellent 'cos "Death Wish" was an absolutely brilliant episode. Thought provoking, funny, etc. I think Janeway managed to get along with Q better than Picard. She's more diplomatic and flexible, while Picard is stiff. But that clash between Picard's attitude and Q's was also great fun.
I remember seeing Naomi submit her proposal, the captain saying “it’s not quite that simple”, and thinking to myself, not quite that simple? It sounds as perfectly plausible as anything else I’ve heard the Voyager crew say.
The difference is Naomi is a child and doesn't have years of experience like the crew. Similar to how Red Squad's plan to destroy the Jem'Hadar battleship failed because they didn't have the experience of most officers.
Queen: We updated it with Borg technology. Seven: B..but it is Borg technology. Queen: We see your new found human individuality has given you what the humans call a 'smart mouth'. We will adapt.
Its not that stupid than it Sounds. During sevens Time away from collective the Borg could have been assimilating other species that improved collectives knowledge and technics. Seven is still in the "form" she was the day she left the borg, so yeah, she may need an update 😉
@@tonyrandall4364 Unfortunately, they'd probably have to recast the role. Scarlett Pomers hasn't acted since 2007 when her time on the show Reba ended.
Janeway's three rules for leadership, pretty much lived by them ever since hearing nearly 20 years ago. Shirt tucked in = highest standards in all things Go down with the ship = be accountable, especially to yourself The last one speaks for itself.
I like Torres but this episode was a low moment for her. She didn't care about Seven at *all* in the course of two years? It made it seem like Belanna hated being wrong (Seven improved a lot of Engineering stuff) more than anything.
I think the look Janeway gives him shows that she knows he has basically ambushed her, knowing that she needs fresh eyes and minds and some help. Good friends are like that and when they do these things you learn, begrudgingly, to trust them. Such a well written and acted show.
I think it was moments like this where I felt that Janeway was a great captain. She was very motherly. I think of the scene where she demoted Tom Paris as showing that tough love. Even though she had to demote him, she did let him know that 'up until this point, you have served this ship well. I do have alot of mixed feelings about Voyager as a whole, but I do think when the characters were written well, it totally showed.
@@Pally356 it pained Kathryn to demote Tom, even tho he deserved it (and I say that understanding why he did what he did) .... in many ways, Tom was another of her reclamation projects before Seven.
@@nicholasemjohnson47 I wouldn't think so. For the captain to abandon ship is a horrible admission of defeat. And they would probably fight till the very last moment to try to avoid it and if they can't they might as well die with the ship. Especially someone as stubborn as Janeway. It's sentimental and stupid and I love it :)
I guess Torres was glad that Seven "left" as it meant that she didn't have to worry about Seven intruding on her territory with constant suggestions on how to improve engineering.....
No its because before 7 came aboard B'Lanna had the best ass on the ship, but then little miss Lycra Catsuit had to come along and knock her down to second place. Her Klingon Sensibilities just couldn't handle that. O.o
But one would also argue that Be'lanna was no better than Seven considering the stunts she pulled when Voyager was first stranded. Not to mention, Be'lanna was a member of the Maquis.
1:30 haha, that's cute. Sounds big to us, but for a ship that runs off of antimatter and generates enough energy to bend space-time, a few megawatts aren't even a drop in the bucket.
The Matter/Anti-matter reaction powers the Warp Drive. The ship itself gets its power from di-lithium fusion reactions. They devote at least one episode a season to getting more di-lithium because they couldn't resupply at Federation bases.
@@MrErizid - Also, dilithium is primarily for the warp core. They could not contain the matter/antimatter reaction without them fusion power doesn’t need dilithium to work.
1:30 The alcove requires over 30 mega watts . . . That is enough to power 30,000 homes . . . That is about 30 kw per cubic foot . . . About same power density as an electric car motor maintaining freeway speed. . . How is the alcove not melting?
Naomi Wildman was born on Voyager and grew up learning and playing. And not to mention having the captain as kind of an aunt what kid wouldn't want that.
Interesting how opinions can differ. I thought the Voyager/Borg encounters were the most interesting… possibly because Janeway and Voyager survived Borg attacks unlike the early beginnings on STTNG.
a testament to their acting skills is the fact they HATED each other and was still able to push that to the side and do their job most effectively and that no one new of the hatred was so strong until the show ended
Hated is may be a little bit exagerrated. Mulgrew was going through a lot at that time, aging, on the down slope, trying to reconnect with her lost daughter, quitting smoking and thinking she was the star of the show and bam, they hired a bombshell blonde to try to butt kick the audience figures... she was at least a little jealous, that's for sure. They later made peace and now are on good terms. I'll also add that some of Mulgrew's criticisms were NOT directed at Ryan but at the production team and their way to handle her, with some ridiculous demands, no pauses between shots and other stupid things. Mulgrew knew how a production worked and how cumbersome it could be and tried to releave the pressure from Ryan a lot, despite being jealous and stressed. Ironically, their feud helped the show because Ryan could vent against Mulgrew without being rude by just playing the parts where Seven hated Janeway. I guess it helped her give a better performance.
She had a lot of problems by the time she hit Reba. My understanding was that she was dealing with anorexia/bulimia and it effected her general health quite badly. Unfortunate as she was an excellent young actress.
I got to give Janeway credit for this loyal to her crew. it seemed with the interaction between Janeway and Torres and something I had not seen before. Where did you find it.
@@johnbanks4761 I firmly disagree. Janeway as has never abandoned a member of her crew. Janeway stands up for her crew. I've had commanders like her in the military. She's just very much bye the book
@@Shadothecat oh I'm well aware of that those two had a rivalry going on a lot of it I think it was to get on janeways good side kind of like how siblings go at it.
It wasn't. Now that all the Star Trek shows are on Paramount, this scene is actually longer; Janeway admonishes Torres for reading 7 of 9's personal logs.
I'd like if anyone knows, reference in novels or fan fiction, whether or not Naomi got the chance to put that advice to use. It'd be amazing to see her as a Captain of a starship, giving that same advice to someone.
Sure, the comment's a year old, but I'm doing it anyway! While not a starship captain, she - at least in non-canon - does get the chance to make use of Janeway's advice. The novel Full Circle mentions that Naomi had been accepted into Starfleet Academy in the following year's class (2382; the reference was made in June 2381). Then, she crops up in Star Trek Online, becoming the helm officer of the USS Hathaway in 2398 before being promoted to second officer/holding the rank of Lt. Commander three years later. She then got promoted to Commander and gets her first command, as the CO of Deep Space K7. As of at least 2409 (or until the game moves her), she's still serving there.
I love this exchange between them being able to voice yout, opinion loke that is not seen in new trek has losted this type of writing characters and morality and detail love janeway
I always thought it was kinda strange that Voyager got it's hands on a working transwarp coil and has a former super-smart Borg onboard who probably knows the thing inside and out and they couldn't figure out how to replicate the technology.
@@177SCmaro I would start with access to rare materials that are easy for them to acquire due to their vast territory, experience manufacturing with them, and technological base representing something like 8500 species. Even with Seven on board, I doubt that Voyager could easily reproduce technologies they haven't encountered or haven't even started down the tech tree to use.
@@3Rayfire Again, you have a working example, someone who knows the technology intimately, and a device that can transform energy into any type of matter you need. Seems like all the pieces are there.
Janeway: Whatever it is, I'm sure Commander Chakotay can handle- (sees Naomi peek from behind Tuvok) Request granted. Send her in. Love how she always took time for everyone on Voyager, when capable... even Naomi.
You are right, in some versions this scene was cut. There are some scenes throughout the whole series that appear on DVD but were cut when it aired on tv to make room for more advertisements. There is one scene though that did not even appear in the DVD version. Episode Cathexis, season one, when Kes is ordered to the bridge? They actually filmed a scene with her there. But in the next scene she just still stands in sickbay. The middlepart is simply missing.
Yup, I knew something was missing. B'elanna is a smart ass and has to let it be known that she doesn't like Seven so I found it odd that there wasn't a scene reflecting that.
I think someone in the graphics department goofed on this one. Have a look at the legible text at the top and bottom of Janeway’s monitor at 4:16. It’s been either stretched or compressed (or both) unevenly. Designed for a 4:3 monitor, then adjusted for 16:9? But badly?
Font spacing waaaaaay off on the two different areas.. “squished together” in the top left part at the right side and s p r e a d out on the lower left part..
I understand exactly what you mean but I have a feeling that's probably a design choice. I believe I've seen it elsewhere in trek. Can't give a confirmation but I do believe it happened fairly frequently.
or good people management, she identified that the needs of one her of her crew was different and adjusted her leadership style to accommodate. 1. there were no replacement crew members available 2. Janeway loves a rescue (dog owner) 3. if she could turn Seven then she knew it could benefit the entire crew. increase chances of survival and possibly get home faster
I watched this episode on Netflix and the scene with B'elanna and Janeway isn't shown there. The fact that it exists is sooo ironic bcus I said to myself while watching "I wonder what B'elanna smart ass got to say about this." LOL I imagined she would not care what happens to Seven. B'elanna can be a real b*tch and doesn't like Seven for whatever reason that's why I found it odd she didn't oppose to the rescue. I'm glad Janeway put her in her place because Seven indeed stayed with the Borg to save them!
Yeah that does seem rather a ridiculous amount of power considering the highest voltages in the human body are only in the MicroVolt range. And it seems horrendously inefficient to have so much power running to an unoccupied alcove, especially on a Borg vessel that may have thousands of alcoves empty at any one time. I think this is another bit of the Writers not thinking the consequences of a line all the way through when they wrote it. O.o
@@grayeaglej Think about their replicators. I did the math on those things, and they would need power from the warp engines to make the Captain dinner. If it's replicating essential molecules for her to live on, the power estimation is far too low. And don't even get me started on the transporters. Something definitely did not think through the implications of those things. Not only the technical impossibilities of making them work but the ethical considerations as well. Everyone who uses them is killed and then replaced by a duplicate. One could easily argue that it's not the same person who comes out the other side of it.
@@stargazer7644 That's actually a myth. Some of the cells in your body are replaced frequently. Your red blood cells, for instance, are replaced every few months. But your brain cells aren't replaced at all. And other cells in the body are replaced at a wide range of rates. Your heart muscles, for instance, will be partially replaced during the course of your lifetime. But it's unlikely that they will be replaced completely. And then besides basic biology, there are other problems with your argument. Destroying someone completely and replacing them with a duplicate is not the same thing as slowly replacing them a piece at a time. Because during that process, part of the original always remains. There is a passing of the baton from the old to the new. Let's say, for instance, our brain cells were completely replaced. During that process, our memories would be transferred to the new brain cells. One could argue that I am a different person than when I was young. But I'm a different person derived from the original. Not an entirely new creation.
@@TerryProthero It's a myth. Then you go on to explain in detail why it isn't. Yes I'm aware some cells last you a lifetime (hence the "almost" in my post), but they are by far in the minority (concerning the brain, you might want to look up neurogenesis). So if I have a wooden ship, and I replace every single piece of wood in it one piece at a time, it isn't a new ship. But if I replace them all at the same time, then it is a new ship? What if I replace everything at once keeping a single original board, then when the rest is done, I replace the board. Is it still not a new ship?
Naomi Wildman was close. If they had boosted power from the main deflector array that would not have been enough. But if they had reversed the polarity on top of it, it may have worked.
1:30 30 Million watts of idle power consumption for a cybernetic organism recharger? That is highly inefficient. Why not put in a sleep mode when not in use? Also what Trek technology gets around the Law of thermodynamics of heat generated by that power consumption? Cryptominers want to know.
I think it got cut because Dark Frontier was one of the episodes which WAS 2 episodes but unlike other 2 parters was filmed as one big thing and aired mid season during sweeps like a feature length event (they did the same thing for unimatrix zero and workforce) but when it got broadcast later they had to trim it a bit to get it back to 42 minutes plus ad breaks
It probably depends on where it was broadcast. Here in the UK we would have got the full cut, but in America you guys have so many adverts/commercials that they probably have to cut more from the show.
I miss this level of sophisticated storytelling so much. A member of the crew has a complaint and the Captain is diplomatic and reasons through the issues. If this was Discovery, Janeway would have thrown it back in Torres’ face that she’s also not one of their own crew. Then there’s the whole aspect of Janeway working through the problem on Seven’s whereabouts. The whole episode is way more thoughtful than shit like “Math is f*cking cool.”
@@trilobite2500 Or that they couldn't figure out a way to make them. It was Starfleet's most advanced vessel to date. They don't have some tools onboard?
Borg alcoves are much more like that, it is a like running an whole datacenter with a neural interface able to communicate with a modified humanoid brain and it is processing currently run information all the time, not to mention the necessary power requirement to maintein it a the right temperature. Datacenters IRL consume a LOT of power similar to that alcove, mainly because of the environment control to preserve the electronics from heat, cold and humidity.
@@quoniam426 I understand that in the Trek world those alcoves regenerate the body and that takes a lot of energy, I was just joking about the actual movie prop which takes just a few watts.
You would think that it would be in a low power "standby" mode when unoccupied :/ Otherwise every Borg vessel would be using massive amounts of power just maintaining empty alcoves. :/
@@grayeaglej Exactly! The whole point of mentioning such a high power usage even when empty was just meant to make it more impressive and melodramatic, as in Cpt. Janeway "keeping the room warm" for Seven's return.
@@edinfific2576 Yus, which works from a Drama perspective but falls apart as soon you think about it for two seconds. :/ Screen Writers are sometimes some of the stupidist people on earth, second only to Politicians :/
This would have been the perfect time for Torres to say to Janeway that you are allowing your personal feelings to affect your judgment as captain. There is no way a captain would send her ship and crew on a suicide mission to save one crew member. Only the writers allowed Voyager to escape the borg in this episode. This is one of many examples where the Admiralty would have relieved her of command when they returned home.
I like how Captain Janeway gave Naomi the same respect as she would an adult member of her crew. AND she seemed to admire the child's determination to get Seven home. She didn't just laugh and dismiss her.
My dad was high ranking civil service for the Dept of defense. The general at the base where he worked was the same way. Treated us kids with respect abd answered us in ways we could understand
Then there's Picard
*"GeT tHaT cHiLd OfF mY bRiDgE"*
@@Mxyzptlksac Of course the General would do that. Because the General knew that one day.. what is todays kids will wearing a uniform tomorrow.
@@s.beaumier8765 as a kid saw him as a teacher of sorts. Additionally he was a grandfather so he knew how eobralb to kids. Never talked down to us.
Although I was upset to find out that the red phone on his desk wasn’t the Batphone
One time he gave me an assignment and I had to monitor this O scope and write down what it did… and I did it! Apparently it was plugged into a radio and it was just background noise and wasn’t actually important. But I felt important. I proudly gave him my report. He did know how to build good PR with kids.
@@PsilentMusicUK to be fair the children on the enterprise were unbearable. must have been some sort of radiation.
I love how Janeway didn't want a visitor but seeing it was Naomi allowed her in (Although she really didn't want to) then 5 seconds later is all smiles because she realized that this little girl is actually trying.
Naomi grew up FAST. Seems we saw her born just two years ago, now closing in on the teens.
@@kurtsnyder4752 I think that characterization is rather hyperbolic. Obviously, her physical maturation doesn't correspond to a human child's, for which we would need to know more about Ktarian physiology. However, in no way does she appear to be close to a teen here, or, indeed, when last seen in "Homestead" either. It's reasonable to accept the events of Shattered to be an accurate representation of how she would have looked, 17 years later. That projection was of a young woman, that I think could be described as being in her 20's. So, growing quickly, yes, especially, in her first half-dozen years. But, not out of bounds as you're suggesting, and perhaps, even slowing to a rate, much closer to a human child, after an initial period of time.
Amazing what a difference 'actually trying' can make!
@Brad Grant As the Valley /"Hip Hop" girls and Millenials might say: Obvs.
This little girl was such a awesome actress and she was a great character of Voyager.
2:50 Janeway: It's just a crayon drawing of Voyager firing phasers at a Borg Sphere.
Naomi: Look at the back
Janeway: Well, I don't know if B'elanna can use a bat'leth like that, but slicing the Borg Queen right down the center would solve a lot of... why is Ensign Kim a Borg drone?
Naomi: I drew one of you getting assimilated, because my teacher thought it would be more exciting.
I found your comment very hilarious
Sweet mother of Matrix Zero Zero One XD
Children are cruel
I find your comment very efficient.
This is how it would of actually went down.
Naomi was unique. Unlike most of the other children on ST, she was interesting, sweet, and 99% not annoying. I loved Naomi.
the anti-Wesley foretold in the prophecies?
@@heedmywarning2792 she was the chosen one
Was there ever a recurring preteen character before Voyager? Aside from Molly O'Brien, who was also pretty cute.
@@oddish4352 Alexander
@@Shadothecat Ahh, yeah, I forgot about him. It's Ok, though; Worf frequently did too.
"Computer, isolate the origin for 95% of all star trek episodes.."
Computer: Random subspace energy fluctuations..
i read that exactly as she said it lol
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@@Lthethird
Jeeeeeesus I did too lololol
This was one of the best Voyager episodes. The Queen also gave 7 of 9 a temporary implant which allowed the Queen to read her thoughts. Basically, to keep an leash on her. She tells her, "our thoughts are one." Later 7 tells Janeway how to disable the Queen's control of a force field inhibiting transporter function. When she gives Seven a angry look, Seven tells her, "Our thoughts are one." Apparently, the flow of information went both ways. LOL.
"Never abandon a member of your crew." She upheld that principle to the end.
Even among her many strengths and virtues, Janeway's loyalty is just epic. She challenged superior enemies, the Prime Directive, space, time and even certain death for her people.
She inspired that loyalty in them all, forging them into such an impressive team.
@Techno Pirate Totally. "Family" is not said more often, just because there's protocol to be followed. But they're definitely more than just a crew.
I haven't watched Picard beyond season 1. I'm an 80's kid, so I grew up watching TNG. Later, VOY became my absolute favorite. Lately, I finally went ahead with DS9, though I'm not done yet. I've also watched all the movies.
Frankly, Picard disappointed me. I just feel the Trek idealistic spirit is so different from these modern, cynical times... That maybe it just cannot be adapted. Picard tried, and failed quite thoroughly as far as I can tell. The plot is rather bland, too. Delving into an overused trope that Trek was always smart to avoid getting too involved with: AI as a species. Sure, we've got the doctor, Data and the occasional alien construct. But it was kept in check.
I do wanna see more of Seven, and Q, but I'm quite reluctant to go there again. The way they used Hugh and Icheb as cheap, disposable heart strings to tug...
As a Voyager fan, I just can't accept that Seven would be facing all that without anyone else from the old crew even lending a hand. You'd have to restrain half of them, for that. I know they had other prioirities for the show, but it doesn't make much sense.
It feels like they're just copy/pasting the more popular elements from different parts of Trek, as if they had existed in a vacuum to begin with... And mashing them together, as if it were as simple as 1+1 = 2.
Totally forgetting that those elements were not just good on their own, as nothing ever is in fiction. They became good, by interacting with others in their original environment.
We all saw how Torres was to Seven. Which made some of their positive interaction later on, that much more meaningful. When Seven impresses Torres by shocking the Hirogen...
...And SPECIALLY when they both talk about death, in "Imperfection."
Of all the characters that could've had screen time along with Seven in that episode, for a meaningful dialog... We get two. Janeway, the obvious... And a beautiful surprise from Torres, with some solid wisdom about our very place in life.
Seven is afraid she'll leave nothing behind, as so many people are in that moment. But even Torres can see, that she already has.
@Techno Pirate But how about season 2? I don't wanna be spoiled, btw. Not sure I wanna endure that season if it's mostly bad, just to get season 3.
I hear the original Q is in S2, and he's dying. That sounds interesting. DeLancie was awesome, the whole Q thing was usually loads of smart fan, and revisiting the "Q and death" concept is excellent 'cos "Death Wish" was an absolutely brilliant episode. Thought provoking, funny, etc.
I think Janeway managed to get along with Q better than Picard. She's more diplomatic and flexible, while Picard is stiff. But that clash between Picard's attitude and Q's was also great fun.
Kathryn Janeway remains my commanding officer and role model.
seven knew their plan would fail, the queen wasnt gonna let them go that easily. she gave herself up so voyager could get closer home
@@randomrazr Yeah. That's the kind of loyalty Janeway inspired in Seven. That's what I meant.
I remember seeing Naomi submit her proposal, the captain saying “it’s not quite that simple”, and thinking to myself, not quite that simple? It sounds as perfectly plausible as anything else I’ve heard the Voyager crew say.
I always assumed Janeway was already doing what Naomi suggested, and that's what made her kinda smile the way she did when she heard the idea.
The difference is Naomi is a child and doesn't have years of experience like the crew.
Similar to how Red Squad's plan to destroy the Jem'Hadar battleship failed because they didn't have the experience of most officers.
Seven prob left cause she knew the queen would end up destroying voyager
@@randomrazr Or worse, assimilating them.
@@nicholasemjohnson47 No, Red Squad's plan failed because they didn't actually find a weakness. They forgot to carry a one.
Queen: We updated it with Borg technology.
Seven: B..but it is Borg technology.
Queen: We see your new found human individuality has given you what the humans call a 'smart mouth'. We will adapt.
Yeah, enhancing Borg technology with Borg technology is the equivalent of putting powdered milk in your milk to get more milk per milk…
@@nicholashernandez4611 The Borg have yet to assimilate the recipe for a tres leches cake apparently...
Its not that stupid than it Sounds. During sevens Time away from collective the Borg could have been assimilating other species that improved collectives knowledge and technics. Seven is still in the "form" she was the day she left the borg, so yeah, she may need an update 😉
No, the replacement eye was installed by the Doctor when her laserbeam eye was removed.
@@durstigerdave4446Yes, we know
Captain Naomi Wildman should get her own ship, and series. As reluctant as I was with another child on Star Trek, Naomi was fantastic.
She should be on 7s crew
@@kbanghartI was just saying that yesterday!
If they end up doing a series with Ryan she should be on it.
@@tonyrandall4364 Unfortunately, they'd probably have to recast the role. Scarlett Pomers hasn't acted since 2007 when her time on the show Reba ended.
Janeway's three rules for leadership, pretty much lived by them ever since hearing nearly 20 years ago.
Shirt tucked in = highest standards in all things
Go down with the ship = be accountable, especially to yourself
The last one speaks for itself.
Don't forget rule #4... guzzle all the coffee you can get your paws on.
@@oddish4352 oh believe me, my ability to function is based on Earl Grey and coffee... BLACK! 😂
I must be the anti-janeway. I don't set standards, I'm not accountable to anyone but myself, and it's every man for himself!
@@jadapinkett1656 You sound more like the anti-adult to me :/
"She was never one of our own."
She was one of your own from the beginning.
Exactly! She was a human who got assimilated.
@@edinfific2576 Not just that, but her parents worked for Starfleet. She had Starfleet blood in her veins from the beginning.
Annnnd her character is 1000x better than Torres.
WRONG. she was a liability and absolutely not to be trusted.
I like Torres but this episode was a low moment for her. She didn't care about Seven at *all* in the course of two years? It made it seem like Belanna hated being wrong (Seven improved a lot of Engineering stuff) more than anything.
2:23 One of Tuvok's more human moments.😊
It was almost adorable. lol
Not even Vulcan logic-driven minds can resist that much heartfelt concern and love for someone.
Vulcans may not "love" children like humans, but they care for them!
I think the look Janeway gives him shows that she knows he has basically ambushed her, knowing that she needs fresh eyes and minds and some help. Good friends are like that and when they do these things you learn, begrudgingly, to trust them. Such a well written and acted show.
Also Tuvok was a father, he knows how to treat children. Vulcans aren't heartless, they know about compassion.
Naomi reminded JW of who she is. Her character and drive represent what Star Trek / Starfleet are all about
3:50-4:05 Janeway recognizes Seven as a full member of the crew. As Captain she won't be leaving any of her crew behind!!
Kathryn ALWAYS thought Seven as one of hers to protect.
Wasn't that Cardashian spy a member of the crew?
@@heedmywarning2792 Until she betrayed Janeway and her crew, that is.
I think it was moments like this where I felt that Janeway was a great captain. She was very motherly. I think of the scene where she demoted Tom Paris as showing that tough love. Even though she had to demote him, she did let him know that 'up until this point, you have served this ship well. I do have alot of mixed feelings about Voyager as a whole, but I do think when the characters were written well, it totally showed.
@@Pally356 it pained Kathryn to demote Tom, even tho he deserved it (and I say that understanding why he did what he did) .... in many ways, Tom was another of her reclamation projects before Seven.
"Take a look at this Naomi, what do you see?"
"A bunch of squiggly lines."
I love how casually Janeway says Go down with the ship. For the captain the ship is just as much a part of the crew and not to be abandoned.
True, but I'm sure she meant that in the event of an evacuation, the Captain would always be the last person to leave
@@nicholasemjohnson47
I wouldn't think so. For the captain to abandon ship is a horrible admission of defeat. And they would probably fight till the very last moment to try to avoid it and if they can't they might as well die with the ship. Especially someone as stubborn as Janeway.
It's sentimental and stupid and I love it :)
@@zbory Sisko abandoned ship when the Defiant was disabled by the Breen energy weapons.
I guess Torres was glad that Seven "left" as it meant that she didn't have to worry about Seven intruding on her territory with constant suggestions on how to improve engineering.....
No its because before 7 came aboard B'Lanna had the best ass on the ship, but then little miss Lycra Catsuit had to come along and knock her down to second place. Her Klingon Sensibilities just couldn't handle that. O.o
@@grayeaglej Best ass on the ship? Um, excuse me, you never heard of Tom Paris?!
@@theevilascotcompany9255Harry Kim would like a word.
But one would also argue that Be'lanna was no better than Seven considering the stunts she pulled when Voyager was first stranded. Not to mention, Be'lanna was a member of the Maquis.
Naomi’s plan is flawed. It doesn’t involve nelix used as a torpedo.
He is kind of her godfather.
Bruh 😂
Neelix in a torpedo tube is plan B. It's always plan B.
@@theevilascotcompany9255 they’ve never talked about that.
@@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis It's a general unspoken understanding, just like how Kirk's shirt always gets ripped on away missions.
Dark Frontier was traumatic, hearing the assimilated scream as limbs are cut off and then having Magnus Hansen show up as a drone....
"Keep your shirt tucked in."
But they wear jump suits.
One of my top 5 favorite episodes.
1:30 haha, that's cute. Sounds big to us, but for a ship that runs off of antimatter and generates enough energy to bend space-time, a few megawatts aren't even a drop in the bucket.
Well, a thorough sweep would reveal a higher than usual power usage.
True, but cut off from Starfleet, every bit of power conserved counts.
The Matter/Anti-matter reaction powers the Warp Drive. The ship itself gets its power from di-lithium fusion reactions. They devote at least one episode a season to getting more di-lithium because they couldn't resupply at Federation bases.
@@MrErizid - Actually, the ship uses EPS taps into the warp plasma for main power. It has other options if the warp core is offline.
@@MrErizid - Also, dilithium is primarily for the warp core. They could not contain the matter/antimatter reaction without them fusion power doesn’t need dilithium to work.
Janeway was all, "Come here little squirt, let me learn ya something. There are three things to remember about being a starship captain-"
"Looks, Guts, and Bloody Revenge!" :D
1:30 The alcove requires over 30 mega watts . . . That is enough to power 30,000 homes . . . That is about 30 kw per cubic foot . . . About same power density as an electric car motor maintaining freeway speed. . . How is the alcove not melting?
“was never” ≠ wasn't. If you're gonna quote somebody, 👏🏻GET 👏🏻IT 👏🏻RIGHT!
"Captain, theres a plot complication on the view screen."
Naomi is so cute - love the scene with her and the captain
4:03 "Good, because I was about to say, 'Damn you, madam, you *will* try.'"
Naomi is pretty adorable.
Member of the maquis who wouldn’t have joined the crew if they didn’t get dragged along says what?
My exact thought too!
Love how janeway was never mean to naomi unlike picard with wesley this show was great look at how janeway respects the child...
Naomi Wildman was born on Voyager and grew up learning and playing. And not to mention having the captain as kind of an aunt what kid wouldn't want that.
Most of lonely tho no one her age to talk to
I forgot how good the voyager doors sound.
4:28 And just like that, it goes from Seven BETRAYED them to Seven SACRIFICED HERSELF for them.
The borg episodes in voyager maybe didn't have the best plot, but some fine character moments
Scorpion? Allooo?
One of my top 3 ST series!
Interesting how opinions can differ. I thought the Voyager/Borg encounters were the most interesting… possibly because Janeway and Voyager survived Borg attacks unlike the early beginnings on STTNG.
Voyager and DS9 ages like fine wine they get better overtime
TNG aswell
Well DS9 and NG do....not so sure about Voyager.
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Then get the hell outta here. I'm tired of hearing this constant whining about a 20 year old show
I say all of pre-2009 Star Trek did
a testament to their acting skills is the fact they HATED each other and was still able to push that to the side and do their job most effectively and that no one new of the hatred was so strong until the show ended
Which of the crew are you referring to?? I heard something about Mulgrew and Ryan, but it sounds like you're referring to someone else here...
Hated is may be a little bit exagerrated. Mulgrew was going through a lot at that time, aging, on the down slope, trying to reconnect with her lost daughter, quitting smoking and thinking she was the star of the show and bam, they hired a bombshell blonde to try to butt kick the audience figures... she was at least a little jealous, that's for sure.
They later made peace and now are on good terms.
I'll also add that some of Mulgrew's criticisms were NOT directed at Ryan but at the production team and their way to handle her, with some ridiculous demands, no pauses between shots and other stupid things. Mulgrew knew how a production worked and how cumbersome it could be and tried to releave the pressure from Ryan a lot, despite being jealous and stressed.
Ironically, their feud helped the show because Ryan could vent against Mulgrew without being rude by just playing the parts where Seven hated Janeway. I guess it helped her give a better performance.
This was Naomi before she became Reba's sassy middle child
And I tried to think of Kyra as an older Naomi... and it just didn't work.
She had a lot of problems by the time she hit Reba. My understanding was that she was dealing with anorexia/bulimia and it effected her general health quite badly. Unfortunate as she was an excellent young actress.
She spent a season out of the cast. When she returned the following season, the studio audience gave her a big ovation.
That last frame, seven looks so pissed xD
She looks confused and curious as to why they did that to her, not pissed.. but that's just my opinion my Friend, Peace
Actually, the size of the ocular is that which would be used in ST Picard years later.
@@kurtsnyder4752 the size of the ocular?
@@captainlaurapicard The implant thing by her eye.
@@kurtsnyder4752 ahh, cortical node, gotcha. The one she got from Icheb right?
...and never abandon a member of your crew, gotta love Janeway
It's crazy a single alcove draws 30MW of juice
30MW without melting the cargobay!
Especially when it isnt actually being used.
I just rewatched this episode on Netflix, for some reason the B’lanna scene is cut. Also the two parts are presented as one episode
Because it was later made into 2 parts for syndication. It was a 2 hour special when aired
Yes; the extended scene on #Paramount had Janeway telling Torres not to read seven's personal logs.
I got to give Janeway credit for this loyal to her crew. it seemed with the interaction between Janeway and Torres and something I had not seen before. Where did you find it.
she does not exhibit this loyalty for all the crew..just some of them though
@@johnbanks4761 I firmly disagree. Janeway as has never abandoned a member of her crew. Janeway stands up for her crew. I've had commanders like her in the military. She's just very much bye the book
@@johnbanks4761 she gone out of her way for about every single person on the ship when needed.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Torres didn't really like seven most of the time, but there moments where she shares a bit about herself
@@Shadothecat oh I'm well aware of that those two had a rivalry going on a lot of it I think it was to get on janeways good side kind of like how siblings go at it.
The scene with B’Elanna, I don’t remember this being in the original broadcast. I think it was cut in its 2 hour feature film format.
Same, I don't remember her being so savage. It seems out of character to me somehow.
It wasn't. Now that all the Star Trek shows are on Paramount, this scene is actually longer; Janeway admonishes Torres for reading 7 of 9's personal logs.
Take a look at this Naomi, what do you see? "Random subspace fluctuations?"
I'd like if anyone knows, reference in novels or fan fiction, whether or not Naomi got the chance to put that advice to use. It'd be amazing to see her as a Captain of a starship, giving that same advice to someone.
Sure, the comment's a year old, but I'm doing it anyway! While not a starship captain, she - at least in non-canon - does get the chance to make use of Janeway's advice.
The novel Full Circle mentions that Naomi had been accepted into Starfleet Academy in the following year's class (2382; the reference was made in June 2381). Then, she crops up in Star Trek Online, becoming the helm officer of the USS Hathaway in 2398 before being promoted to second officer/holding the rank of Lt. Commander three years later. She then got promoted to Commander and gets her first command, as the CO of Deep Space K7. As of at least 2409 (or until the game moves her), she's still serving there.
1:36 "...should I deactivate it?" "No. Leave it alone." The prodigal daughter.
I love this exchange between them being able to voice yout, opinion loke that is not seen in new trek has losted this type of writing characters and morality and detail love janeway
Words of wisdom.
I always thought it was kinda strange that Voyager got it's hands on a working transwarp coil and has a former super-smart Borg onboard who probably knows the thing inside and out and they couldn't figure out how to replicate the technology.
There many things about borg tech that makes it not easily replicated
@@Shadothecat
Like what?
@@177SCmaro I would start with access to rare materials that are easy for them to acquire due to their vast territory, experience manufacturing with them, and technological base representing something like 8500 species. Even with Seven on board, I doubt that Voyager could easily reproduce technologies they haven't encountered or haven't even started down the tech tree to use.
@@3Rayfire
Again, you have a working example, someone who knows the technology intimately, and a device that can transform energy into any type of matter you need.
Seems like all the pieces are there.
@@177SCmaro there's material that can't be replicated, like dilithium. They still have miners in Trek
As another good captain once said "Never give up, never surrender"
Deactivate the pod and reactivate it if she comes back, smart power saving
This was cut from the broadcast version in the UK - I'm guessing for time. I discovered it on the DVD's.
Seven's alcove requires 30 MEGAWATTS to function?! What does Seven's body do with all that electricity? You'd think it would fry her every night....
I imagine it has more functions than just supplying her with juice.
Well, at least it's considerably less than 1.21 Gigawatts.
@@heedmywarning2792 If she got shocked with that, she'd see some serious shit.
I was thinking the same thing. 30 MW is more than the power output of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer's engines!
Probably replicating necessary molecules (ATP, Glucose etc.) She doesn't eat
Janeway: Whatever it is, I'm sure Commander Chakotay can handle- (sees Naomi peek from behind Tuvok) Request granted. Send her in.
Love how she always took time for everyone on Voyager, when capable... even Naomi.
Only the Borg would consider vision where everything is tinted green as “an enhancement.”
The beginning scene. Was this scene deleted from the aired episode? I don’t remember this scene and it doesn’t appear in the Netflix version
It's in the DVDs and aired on tv in full
You are right, in some versions this scene was cut. There are some scenes throughout the whole series that appear on DVD but were cut when it aired on tv to make room for more advertisements.
There is one scene though that did not even appear in the DVD version. Episode Cathexis, season one, when Kes is ordered to the bridge? They actually filmed a scene with her there. But in the next scene she just still stands in sickbay. The middlepart is simply missing.
If you watch that episode on Netflix, they deleted that argument scene with Belana.
Not on that Season's DVD either.
Where is that version available?
Yup, I knew something was missing. B'elanna is a smart ass and has to let it be known that she doesn't like Seven so I found it odd that there wasn't a scene reflecting that.
@@SeansModelBuilds2017 Strange. Mine has that scene.
H I , any idea what the name of the Pilot of the Shuttle was that took Tom Paris up to Voyager in the Pilot Ep ~ Story was ?
Never direct access to a Borg vessel? Are you kidding me? Arturis' Dauntless heading right for Borg Space infested with dozens of Borg Cubes?
She was a true friend
I think someone in the graphics department goofed on this one. Have a look at the legible text at the top and bottom of Janeway’s monitor at 4:16. It’s been either stretched or compressed (or both) unevenly. Designed for a 4:3 monitor, then adjusted for 16:9? But badly?
Don't see it.
Font spacing waaaaaay off on the two different areas.. “squished together” in the top left part at the right side and s p r e a d out on the lower left part..
I understand exactly what you mean but I have a feeling that's probably a design choice. I believe I've seen it elsewhere in trek. Can't give a confirmation but I do believe it happened fairly frequently.
Janeway was so blinded by Seven that she let her get away with so much more than other crew members
or good people management, she identified that the needs of one her of her crew was different and adjusted her leadership style to accommodate.
1. there were no replacement crew members available
2. Janeway loves a rescue (dog owner)
3. if she could turn Seven then she knew it could benefit the entire crew. increase chances of survival and possibly get home faster
I watched this episode on Netflix and the scene with B'elanna and Janeway isn't shown there. The fact that it exists is sooo ironic bcus I said to myself while watching "I wonder what B'elanna smart ass got to say about this." LOL I imagined she would not care what happens to Seven. B'elanna can be a real b*tch and doesn't like Seven for whatever reason that's why I found it odd she didn't oppose to the rescue. I'm glad Janeway put her in her place because Seven indeed stayed with the Borg to save them!
Each Star Trek Series has a stand out character for me. Original was Spock, Next Gen was Data, DS9 was Odo/Quark partnership, Voyager 7 of 9.
I love it mi jita.
So, to essentially 'sleep' 7 of 9 was sucking down the power of a small town? Power nap?
Yeah that does seem rather a ridiculous amount of power considering the highest voltages in the human body are only in the MicroVolt range. And it seems horrendously inefficient to have so much power running to an unoccupied alcove, especially on a Borg vessel that may have thousands of alcoves empty at any one time. I think this is another bit of the Writers not thinking the consequences of a line all the way through when they wrote it. O.o
@@grayeaglej
Think about their replicators. I did the math on those things, and they would need power from the warp engines to make the Captain dinner. If it's replicating essential molecules for her to live on, the power estimation is far too low. And don't even get me started on the transporters. Something definitely did not think through the implications of those things. Not only the technical impossibilities of making them work but the ethical considerations as well. Everyone who uses them is killed and then replaced by a duplicate. One could easily argue that it's not the same person who comes out the other side of it.
@@TerryProthero almost every cell in your body is replaced every few years. Are you also not the same person?
@@stargazer7644
That's actually a myth. Some of the cells in your body are replaced frequently. Your red blood cells, for instance, are replaced every few months. But your brain cells aren't replaced at all. And other cells in the body are replaced at a wide range of rates. Your heart muscles, for instance, will be partially replaced during the course of your lifetime. But it's unlikely that they will be replaced completely.
And then besides basic biology, there are other problems with your argument. Destroying someone completely and replacing them with a duplicate is not the same thing as slowly replacing them a piece at a time. Because during that process, part of the original always remains. There is a passing of the baton from the old to the new.
Let's say, for instance, our brain cells were completely replaced. During that process, our memories would be transferred to the new brain cells. One could argue that I am a different person than when I was young. But I'm a different person derived from the original. Not an entirely new creation.
@@TerryProthero It's a myth. Then you go on to explain in detail why it isn't. Yes I'm aware some cells last you a lifetime (hence the "almost" in my post), but they are by far in the minority (concerning the brain, you might want to look up neurogenesis).
So if I have a wooden ship, and I replace every single piece of wood in it one piece at a time, it isn't a new ship. But if I replace them all at the same time, then it is a new ship? What if I replace everything at once keeping a single original board, then when the rest is done, I replace the board. Is it still not a new ship?
One of my favorite 2 parters ❤
The look B'Elanna gives after Janeway leaves...
"Oh boy, the ship's mom is pissed off..."
30MW.... Jeebus that's a lot of power.
Busted
Naomi Wildman was close. If they had boosted power from the main deflector array that would not have been enough. But if they had reversed the polarity on top of it, it may have worked.
It only works if you reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
And if you have the right size self sealing stem bolts
Naomi Wildman was the most dangerous thing ever on _Voyager_ because she made a Vulcan smile
1:30 30 Million watts of idle power consumption for a cybernetic organism recharger? That is highly inefficient. Why not put in a sleep mode when not in use?
Also what Trek technology gets around the Law of thermodynamics of heat generated by that power consumption? Cryptominers want to know.
Daammm....30 megawatts is enough power to power 25,000 homes for 24 hours.
Ppl always doubted and judged JANEWAY but she was always right and things always worked out
She wasn't always right but she did work things out
Anyone else take notice of Janeway's Gargantuan 1980's laptop?
We didnt have laptops in the 80’s, large or otherwise, unless you count the model 100.
I don't remember that scene between Janeway and Torres from Dark frontier? Was this a deleted/extended scene from the DVD?
I think it got cut because Dark Frontier was one of the episodes which WAS 2 episodes but unlike other 2 parters was filmed as one big thing and aired mid season during sweeps like a feature length event (they did the same thing for unimatrix zero and workforce) but when it got broadcast later they had to trim it a bit to get it back to 42 minutes plus ad breaks
I OWN ALL of the seasons of Voyager. This scene was not CUT. It's in there.
Same, I just rewatched this too and didn't see it but I also feel like I've seen that scene before
It probably depends on where it was broadcast.
Here in the UK we would have got the full cut, but in America you guys have so many adverts/commercials that they probably have to cut more from the show.
This is a badass captain
I miss this level of sophisticated storytelling so much. A member of the crew has a complaint and the Captain is diplomatic and reasons through the issues. If this was Discovery, Janeway would have thrown it back in Torres’ face that she’s also not one of their own crew.
Then there’s the whole aspect of Janeway working through the problem on Seven’s whereabouts. The whole episode is way more thoughtful than shit like “Math is f*cking cool.”
The alcove requires over 30MW of power - that seems bloody inefficient, especially if there are hundreds of thousands on a cube!
Why is the alcove on its not being used? Don't they ration energy on this ship? It's not like those self replicating torpedoes they have.
It only uses that power level when "on", not on "standby".
I hate this stupid torpedo whining. As if no one in the entire delta Quadrant would sell things like that
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Or that they couldn't figure out a way to make them. It was Starfleet's most advanced vessel to date. They don't have some tools onboard?
Omg, is she just precious peeking around Tuvok 2:36
sphere? were they in the sphere from the movie, "Sphere"?
Good morning 👌🤣🤣🤣
"Not one of us." Like her when she was Maquis.
*7 of 9 was An Imposter.*
Is this Dark Frontier episode.
30 megawatts for some lights and a spark generator!? I could do that with a million times less power. 😁
Borg alcoves are much more like that, it is a like running an whole datacenter with a neural interface able to communicate with a modified humanoid brain and it is processing currently run information all the time, not to mention the necessary power requirement to maintein it a the right temperature. Datacenters IRL consume a LOT of power similar to that alcove, mainly because of the environment control to preserve the electronics from heat, cold and humidity.
@@quoniam426 I understand that in the Trek world those alcoves regenerate the body and that takes a lot of energy, I was just joking about the actual movie prop which takes just a few watts.
You would think that it would be in a low power "standby" mode when unoccupied :/ Otherwise every Borg vessel would be using massive amounts of power just maintaining empty alcoves. :/
@@grayeaglej Exactly! The whole point of mentioning such a high power usage even when empty was just meant to make it more impressive and melodramatic, as in Cpt. Janeway "keeping the room warm" for Seven's return.
@@edinfific2576 Yus, which works from a Drama perspective but falls apart as soon you think about it for two seconds. :/ Screen Writers are sometimes some of the stupidist people on earth, second only to Politicians :/
Meanwhile on the enterprise
Captain and chief medical officer - shut up WESLEY!!
Which episode was this?
This would have been the perfect time for Torres to say to Janeway that you are allowing your personal feelings to affect your judgment as captain. There is no way a captain would send her ship and crew on a suicide mission to save one crew member. Only the writers allowed Voyager to escape the borg in this episode. This is one of many examples where the Admiralty would have relieved her of command when they returned home.
It’s a tv show get a grip. It’s not real.
When did Félix move from being a chef 🧑🍳 to participating in Voyager’s missions ?
My alcove only requires 20 watts. Borg are a highly inefficient use of energy.
Can the Borg enhance my eyes? I wouldn’t mind a few “Borg enhancements”.
Janeway couldnt very well say that it was too bad for 7of9 but alas. You dont just give up shortly after an officer disappeared.
Of all the captains in Star Trek Janeway was my favorite. She was strong but compassionate and caring.
I was hoping 7 would never come back ... was severely disappointed.