Firstly, I just want to thank all of you who have watched and commented and those who have subbed. This has been probably my most critically received review on this channel in quite some time so I'm glad all my hard work during the most stressful time in school for me has paid off in that respect. Secondly, I just want to mention that I still do have that second collectors edition as well as a digital code for the Deluxe edition for this game that I am going to be giving away during my live stream for this game on Friday at 3PM EST over on my twitch channel, so for those of you who may want some 19 inches, here's your chance for a free copy. Hope to see y'all there.
I LOVE this review. It’s so discouraging how people are unable to look at this game objectively or critically. I enjoyed this game, I had so much fun going through my first playthrough. But that doesn’t justify IGNORING the issues present in this review. 😭 I’ve been fighting for my life trying to explain this stuff to people.
The third act of the story in particular brought a lot of my issues with it into the light by dialing up everything to 11. Web Of Shadows and King In Black are the last thing they should've adapted regarding Venom, especially for his first appearance in this universe.
It wouldve worked if they prioritized their time into building up Venom as a character and didn't waste so much time dawdling with Miles sub plot and MJs.... "heroism".
One thing that alot of people are forgetting about the story is that. Peter KNOWS cletus Cassidy is out there WITH A SYMBIOTE OF HIS OWN at the end of the game. And he still decides to just retire and let miles deal with it. After everything he went through with harry and the enitre city getting infected..... i cant buy him just chilling with MJ on the couch while miles handles everything
@@P1SM I see your point . But even still why would he let miles tackle another potential deadly symbiote threat alone. I could be missing something here so I'm open for a suggestion or dialog
@@jordanMJK because he trusts Miles. He earned his spot when Peter was away in his own game and without Miles practically saving Peter, reforming Li not to mention holding is own against Venom; he’s more than ready to take the lead.
The way they did the passing of the torch is bullshit. Insomniac completly lost my trust because of it, and I seriously hate the story despite having good ideas.
@@laronajohnson3176 You are cute, buddy boy. If Miles was an Irish red head, or a blond European, or even someone who looks like me, I would have said the same thing. A good passing of the torch must be respectfull, especially when we speak about iconic characters. But sure, if you want to dismiss all problems and any critics just by the easy feel goody good "you are racist lol" it s up to you. One thing for sûre, it will not bring anything good to anyone.
For the anti venom thing i think Peter actually CAN'T give the anti venom stuff to Harry since anti venom is literally in his blood cells, meaning it CAN'T bond to anyone else
The game never explicitly states this to my knowledge. The symbiotes also react differently in this universe as things like fire don’t affect them. Either way I feel with how the symbiotes themselves just swap hosts in this game the option itself not even being explored is such a weird thing that is just not acknowledged that it seems illogical to me.
I know Peter was going through a lot but damn he got tossed around too much in this game and them trying to give him a long break while knowing a psycho with another symbiote is loose is just wild to me it seems like this game needed about another year or two in the oven to fully flesh out the story they’re trying to tell but they just have so many projects they’re working on I understand it can’t be easy
The creative director mentioned cutting content so they could have MJ missions. Hopefully the next game has a director who doesn't have his head up his arse.
MJ missions are fine, especially with how they were handled from a pacing perspective here. I’m not opposed to having them, but like I said the way they use her is so frustrating to watch.
If you're irritated by Mary Jane not being careful about showing her connection to Spider-Man, you should also note that Peter and Miles are much quicker to take off their masks in cutscenes than they were in the previous games. It is a bit annoying, even more so if you prefer their older designs. I agree that Doc Ock was a much more compelling antagonist than Harry. After playing the game a few times, I think it would have been better if Harry had been a more flawed character and his transformation in Venom a culmination of those flaws. As it is, it feels like it's the symbiote that's in control instead of Venom being a true combination between host and symbiote. If you wanted to make it different to Doc Ock, you could have Harry realize how far he's gone instead of jumping over the edge the way Doc Ock did. It wouldn't be unprecedented, since Peter and Harry reconciled before the latter's death in the comics. This was an excellent review. I admire how thorough you were and as critical as you were, I thought your criticisms were fair. I could see myself recommending this review to anyone who wanted to know why some people were underwhelmed by the game (assuming that they're willing to commit time to watching the whole thing.)
That's what I meant about being frustrated about things but her being the worst culprit of it because the story itself takes note of it, yet nothing comes of it. It's obnoxious the amount of times the two Spider-Men are willing to take their masks off in public. Thank you for watching! I was trying to strike a good balance of things worthy of talking about and not have a 3 hour video lol
The guy who Miles saves isn't Chameleon. There's a quest later that shows he and Kraven hate each other. One of the hunters just disguised as a civilian to trick Miles. Also, I feel like a number of the movie suits could've just been rolled together into alts for each other. Symbiote Raimi as an alt for regular Raimi, the MCU suits as alts of each other, etc. Would've freed up more slots for Peter.
I’ve admittedly watched/listened to this review at least 5 times. After digesting this much anticipated review, I have to say I’m not surprised by your opinion and I agree overall with it. Sitting with the story for a week or so made me realize more and more how safe they unfortunately played it. This game definitely could’ve benefited from being a few hours longer story wise to let arcs develop more especially the symbiote arc. Similar to what you said, I like the game but don’t love it unfortunately. As always, great review nonetheless.
You hit the nail on the head. The game is great but there’s something off to it. Not as good as the first game, too many plot conveniences and weird stuff that felt forced. Still love the gameplay, but I hope for the third game they improve even more. Great review, waited for your vid for so long lmao
I didn't wait 5+ yrs for a game with "marginal improvements". Wanted a game of the yr quality game. The gameplay itself was marginal improvements. Fun but lacking alot .its depth is shallow because they dont flesh em out. Older spidey games were more gamey. They had more options to utilize but insomniac thought just add special abilities to cover that up.. this js a movie. Cant even replay the game. No combos to unlock or challenges to do. Web swinging is still playing catch-up to older games and there is no interactivity with the city.They should have never showed up to the tga.
I think the part where Peter has the symbiote trace inside of him is supposed to be Insom's version of a codex? But I think codexs were in the spine and not the mind.
35:42 focus can be gained mostly by parrying and web shooting. Cool downs for abilities can be lowered by doing surge or gadgets. Gadgets can be regained by doing focus takedowns or abilities. Gadgets honestly feel like a downgrade. Mostly for crowd control. Web grenade and web mines are no longer available and that’s unfortunate. Along with electric webs. Also wish we had character bios and suit bios to see Insomniac’s lore for these characters. As a comic nerd I’d like to know more about their rendition of these characters.
Just so you know in the comics the host that has anti venom can't give it to other people becasue the anti venom is in his cells, dna, and other things in the body. but anti venom can also heal people without giving them the syimbiote. so idk why inconiac didn't think sabout that. 🤦♂
These symbiotes play by different rules though. They’re immune to fire here among other changes so like again the fact that something so obvious wasn’t explored as an option is to me insane.
The first time I played the game was after new game+ was implemented with the addition of the replayable hunter bases and being able to change the symbiotic tendrils from white to black. All the patches, even adding a couple new suits. Yet, everything you’ve said is 100% accurate as of August 2024. Spider-Man 2018 was my baby, and Miles Morales was extremely fun just because of how bombastic it was but in a still functional way. Spider-Man 2 just doesn’t illicit the same response. They zigged when they should have zagged lol. I’ve only got like 120 hours in the game as opposed to 2018 where I had well over 200, same with Miles Morales. Hopefully Spider-Man 3 doesn’t get rushed and they can clean up. It’s still a decent game, a technical marvel. But I’ll be waiting for the next iteration, to be Spidey again lol
As for the swinging you are right good but could have been better, it feels like games nowadays publishers and studios don’t sell games that are polished and secured but now is a buggy mess with missing content and you have to wait for them to implement them in the game later down the line.
I had the same thought of the anti venom suit but no it’s apparently bonded to a Peters Blood Cells Permanently meaning he can’t give the Symbiote or lose it, now it’s a part of him. Also Uncharted 3 was awesome still has the best hand to hand combat in the uncharted series And most craziest set pieces,
@@P1SMI believe I remember them saying the Symbiote bonds on a cellular level, and the Anti Venom suit is basically just the Symbiote without the mind as Peter says. In the comics, the Anti Venom suit rather than being an actual Symbiote unlike Insomniac, it was just an immune system built against Symbiotes, however they game translated it as the Symbiote without the bad side effects due to Martin Li’s power. Anyways I hope I was able to explain things, I hope you have a great day!
I’m with you every step of the way on this review. I feel this game was a big ps5 experiment, which is fun. But the story feels like stuff being thrown at the wall and whatever sticks makes the cut. Especially the ending. Ruined the game for me and I knew it wasn’t winning game of the year. There’s no explainable reason Pete didn’t give harry the anti venom suit and no way should they be holding hands while Norman is so close. Very unfortunate
@@denzelmichigan4688 Kraven was mid too tbh. Just some Slasher movie villain who was just some walking plot device. Such a 1 note character in this game when something INTERESTING couldve been done with him with a few tweaks
@@toren2099 tbh he doesnt HAVE to give it to Harry if insomniac adapted the damn thing properly. Anti Venim can heal pretty much ANYTHING. Peter coulda saved Harey his damn self
I just came from your critique of the combat video where I said that arms having surge would've been interesting and it's good to see I'm not the only one. Gimmicky is the perfect description of this game's combat especially with the abilities. 44:43 - 44:49 you got me good with this one after what devs were going for in terms of flow I guess arkham's freeflow (which improved with every installment) has them beat and they made things worse with the sequel. Removing the mods was the dumbest idea here. I remember throwing my friend in the deep end and made the necessary alterations with mods and suit powers for him to manage after a short introduction. I share your sentiment I won't talk about the stealth and how much worse it got. Hell I went back to Arkham Asylum, city and Knight (I don't have origins unfortunately I have to find a copy) and had a blast especially with city and Asylum.
Great review, my man. A balanced yet critical take on the game. I feel like the A-team in Insomniac Games after laying the foundation for the sequel went to make Wolverine. For me the most disappointing aspect was the open world elements.
Miles felt… strange to me in this game. While I understand that the game isn’t solely about Peter anymore, it felt like they were making me play as him for the vast majority of the game (I’m aware it wasn’t but felt that way) and at times I very much felt he was the one saving… everyone. All the time. I get he’s coming in as the main Spiderman moving forward (maybe), but it just felt shoe horned in. Maybe it’s just me.
Good to see someone talking about the unSpiderman things in the gameplay. You can cross NY by just doing air tricks and those jumps and dashes, and those arms are there just to match Miles when Peter should have gadgets. The arms get overused
I think I’m the only one who was bothered by them redesigning Peter’s suit but not adding a pack on his back to show where his arms come from like the other suits that was designed to use arms
I mean I get where you're coming from, especially since the suit was redesigned with the web wings but like..it's a minor thing all things considered and it probably would've ruined the look of Advance Suit 2.0 (which I think is a big improvement overall!)
Oh wow, talk about speaking the truth. So many people were mad that Spider Man didn't even win a single award, let alone GOTY. But clearly a lot of those biases are tied towards: 1 - The hyper focus on Peter/Yuri 2 - The incredible cinematography throughout cutscenes and gameplay. 3 - The major spike in difficulty from Amazing on up, appeasing the fanbase who pursues a challenge ala ER. But like you, I noticed so many things wrong with the game that I knew that this game wasn't heading towards GOTY, especially after playing BG3 for 300+ hours. Another aspect that detracted from it was the far from equal footing expected from this game with Peter and Miles. There have been articles out there highlighting how Miles got shortchange in this game in regards to plot importance and mission playability. A clear example of that is the mission that forced you to play as Peter when you're rescuing Ganke and Rio, while Miles is literally next to you. That's like expecting to play as Miles when MJ turned to Scream. It made no sense. So instead of having a 50/50 Spider Man game, we got a 75 Peter/ 25 Miles with the promise that Miles would be the "Main" Spider Man going forward. So yeah, SM2 is also in the "like" column for me. A solid B, but nowhere near the ultimate game personified like some gamers were proclaiming.
I wasn't too upset with Miles getting short changed because the devs had pretty much confirmed a while back that while Miles has his bits in the story that this game would primarily focus on Peter so knowing that coming in made me not anticipate it not being 50/50 but the lack of focus on him during certain missions where it really should've been him is weird indeed. Either way I still think Miles had the better arc in the game even with less time, how does that even happen LOL
@@P1SM Really?! I wish I would have came across this. That would have changed my expectation (and excitement) towards the game drastically. In regards to Miles having a better arc, I think they both weren't done well. The fact that one of the culminations of Miles Arc (the confirmation of Hailey and Miles relationship via a kiss) was placed in not even the mid credit scene, but the after credit scene is extremely problematic. Fortunately, many people are aware that Marvel content normally have after credit scenes, but it still puts the possibility of someone missing it. So I think both Miles and Peter have some narrative discrepancies that is probably tied to it being rushed.
It's funny you say that , cuz while giving Peter good screen time what they did was make him a fraction of himself , turned him into a side character that Miles needs to save throughout the story events and blatantly showed Miles as way stronger than him . Rescuing Rio and Ganki ? Miles did the final boss fight of the game against Venom while barely even knowing Harry and Peter being knocked out while wearing the ultimate weakness of venom . When Miles has Rhino's weakness , Peter gets knocked out and Miles puts up a better fight . When Peter has Venom's weakness , Peter still gets knocked out and Miles puts up a better fight , Peter only gets to finish him while Harry , Venom's host himself actively helps him in doing that . Damn right Miles will be the main spiderman going foraward , how is that not clear by the full game itself? Let alone an explicit declaration . All the screen time does for Peter is make him fall and fall and fall while the little overcoming he does is thanks to Miles . Miles gets over the death of his father while Mister Negative enforces the toll even more , defeats and forgives him right after, while Peter is completely lost and needs Miles's guidance even after he and Lee already saved him from succumbing to the death of May by going into his mind and gave him Anti Venom . This game is 75/25 but in the opposite direction than what you said . It was very interesting reading your comment cuz i never saw it this way , i was like what were they thinking? Now i understand how impressive this strategy is , you show more of Peter's story to give an impression that he's being given more importance on the surface level while also making him fall bad as a hero , while what you do give Miles is just solid development while also making him pick up the main hero smoothly turning him into a side character and give Miles the main boss battle which keeping the illusion with Peter finishing off the main villain in a cutscene as the villain himself helps Peter in doing that.
@@humanman9920 Miles rescuing Peter throughout the story? We must have played two separate games because the game I played also had Peter rescuing Miles. As the developer said, the intention was to show that when one Spider Man was weak, the other would come to the rescue. Miles was rescued by Peter when he was captured by Kraven, and Miles helped Peter in getting the symbiote off of him. And of course he should be fighting Venom at the final boss fight. You best believe there would have been a massive outroar if MJ had a mission in the final boss fight and yet Miles didn't. It doesn't matter that Miles doesn't know Harry. It isn't Harry vs Peter. It's Venom vs Spider Man, and Miles is every bit as Spider Man as Peter. But as I said, I'm not the only one that states that SM2 is a Peter Orientated Story. There are numerous articles out there that has pointed towards that. Such as the link below: screenrant.com/marvels-spiderman-2-dlc-miles-morales/ Now I'm not saying Peter had a fantastic arc, but there are definitely some issues with some statements. 1 - Both Miles and Peter had Venom's weaknesses. It's just that people seem to forget this because as I said, folks are Peter orientated. One of the entire arcs associated with Miles is the fact that his venom powers was being infused with Mr.Negative powers, the same powers that helped forged Anti-Venom and the same powers that addresses the symbiotes. 2 - It shows you weren't paying attention to Miles Arc because he specifically states in the game he doesn't and won't forgive Mr.Negative. He just won't carry the hatred he has towards him anymore. But to say the only time Peter was successful was with the help of Miles is false. There's literally two boss battles that involves Peter rescuing someone solo, the Lizard and Scream. So, it's funny that people keep referencing to Miles saving Peter (even though it was Peter himself that pulls off the symbiote) but don't reference Peter doing the exact same thing to MJ. And the Lizard fight must be non-existent to some people. 3 - It was a cutscene that put Peter out of the fight to transition to Miles, and it was a cutscene that put Miles out of the fight to have Peter stop venom with MJ turning on the particle accelerator to stop the symbiotes. So you can't try to diminish the importance of a cutscene while then prompting a separate cutscene to indicate a point. As mentioned, neither Peter nor Miles Arc was fantastic by any means. But you should watch this video to see all of the issues associated with Peter's Arc that doesn't jump down the false narrative of "Peter is inferior, all bow down to Miles." This video tells you much of the narrative issues associated with the story.
People don't like to value Miles' game because it's short or a "DLC", but I think it's better than Spider 2 ps5 in some areas The story is simple but focused, it has a cool christmas vibe and a touching theme about community (especially since it was released during the pandemic)
I don't know if I can call "Miles Morales" a better game than "2" (I just prefer a more expansive experience) but I did feel more satisfied with it that I did with the next sequel.
@@P1SMmarvel Spider-Man 2 PS4 aswell PS5 only year October 20 December 24 in game PS4 2018 2020 marvel Spider-Man one and marvel Spider-Man miles Morales next game par 2
Now that the hype is down I’ve had time to think about the game, and In terms of story & side content you’ve read my mind. I’ll wait till a goty edition or something, sometimes bigger is not always better.
This game coming out on PC will be a great thing Suits from the other games back, Black suit versions of the films, not being stuck with wearing that horrible Miles suit at the end, and.... Ps4 face
Coming from a guy who fucking LOVES the first game (It's perfect, hands down)... I didn't love this one either. It's still a good game, but the gameplay feels less SPIDER-MANy and the story lacks the emotion from the first game.
Just so you know how Miles gets that container he does walk past him Oscor Tech, that is in that building but other than that I have no idea how the hell he got that
Banger review that will age really well. Even though Insomniac can patch the game there a a bunch of problems that just can’t be fixed that you really wouldn’t expect to be problems from Insomniac. It’s like they thought they would have more time than they did. The delayed announcement of a release date paired with releasing in October instead of September were the first signs that something wasn’t right. Then Peters suit kept flipping between white and black trim until a month before launch. Then how I knew the game wouldn’t live up to my expectations: Peter’s air dodge. It still functions as stiffly as it did on the PS4 even though they fixed that for Miles. My guess is Sony wouldn’t give a delay as 2023 wasn’t a hot year so it was hinging on Spider-Man and Insomniac bit off more than they could chew. It’s extremely unfortunate that this is how the game turned out. Had Insomniac planned for 2024 instead they would have been far better off. Pre production was during lockdown so I’m betting Insomniac planned a lot that they just couldn’t follow through on.
Loved the review, personally I loved the game but definitely understand (and even agree with) a lot of your issues with it. But with the whole Anti Venom thing, I don't think Peter can give it to anyone even if he wanted to, since Connors said it's in him at the sub cellular level, which ties to how it worked in the books with the Anti Venom symbiote being tied to Eddie's white blood cells. But overall great review!
Yes and No. 1 - Samples of the Anti Venom Symbiote has been taken and artificially duplicated to create a separate anti venom symbiote. This has happened numerous times. 2 - All symbiotes have the ability to create children of themselves, up to six, which possesses the abilities of abilities of the parent symbiote as well as new powers. We saw this in the game as Venom created one of his children, Scream. Peter should be able to perform that skill as well. So yes, Peter wouldn't technically be able to give Harry "his suit", but the plothole still exists because there's two ways to duplicate the symbiote to save Harry, one literally shown right in front of Peter eyes, and he never considers it.
@@BriarPatchNyra Well we will have to agree to disagree. The fact that Venom literally replicated right before his eyes should have at least given Peter the idea of doing the same thing.
Does he actually say that? I don’t recall him saying that at all. Most dialogue I can recollect with Connors usually has him going “I don’t know, we need to know more” kind of deal. And with how much the symbionts suit itself got swapped around and how Insomniac loves to change the rules to things in their universe…
@@P1SM I think they just needed to close off the possibility with a line of dialogue. It seems from the game that only the mindful, black symbiote was capable of moving hosts and only because it chose to, but the characters never seem to figure that out for certain so it feels like an obvious solution is dumbly left sitting there unexplored and unacknowledged.
I like the game, but the only thing I don't like is the ending. Peter say to Miles that he let him care of the city alone, to have all his time as Peter Parker , but that a bad idea. Miles is only a teenager and he doesn't have enough experience as Peter and Miles have to deal with school , is not the case of Peter so that really bad idea. And this duo work really well if one Spider Man is in danger the other can help him, they are better together.
@@P1SMI'm going to keep this short since I saw that you didn't read the other long comment that somebody made. But I agree with the person above that Miles isnt ready I believe because of your ethnicity and background that you want him to the new Spider-Man. It's baffling how Peter wants to just put being Spider-Man on a back burner when the most potent line in all of comic books is a line from Spiderman with great power comes great responsibility. Peter didn't lose his powers so doesn't he still have a responsibility to uphold? I guess we're also going to ignore all of the pandering the studio included into the game. It honestly feels like you held back punches in this review to not completely burn your Bridges with with this studio as we all know they showed you a little favor in the past. I agree with some of the points you made but I definitely feel selling out is a thing on this channel now seeming as you clearly didn't talk about a lot of issues that even the community brought up as annoying. Hate to say it but I'm not sure I'll be back for another review on modern spiderman games
@@thealmightyarchive1422 it has ZERO to do with my ethnicity or race and the fact that THAT is even being brought up as a reason is insulting and embarrassing. Check yourself before spewing that nonsense because I was a Spider-Man fan long before Miles was even introduced. People are acting is if Peter is permanently going away. I implore people, please take a media literacy class. “Go be Peter Parker for a while” is what is said. What does that imply? What did the characters say during the Coney Island mission? IT. IS. A. BREAK. Miles has proven himself capable by handling a pretty big issue ON HIS OWN in his game, then in this one not only overcomes his OWN personal battles, but SAVES Peter, and REFORMS Martin Li and top of holding his own against Venom. He does what Peter couldn’t do himself with Li. Peter didn’t completely trust him before but he does now, and when he really needs him will be there. How is that not being ready? How is all of that being so grossly misinterpreted? Did we play the same game? Also, GTFO of here with this “selling out” garbage. I used words in this review such as “cookie cutter”, “uninspired” “unfocused” and even called them out on their poorly implanted mechanics and repeated unlocks. You want an echo chamber of regurgitated opinions go to Reddit, I write my own reviews.
@@P1SM I find it funny how you say those things to me but will softball the game devs I know all about your history I've been watching your channel for years. And if you look at your own videos it's beyond obvious that your bias towards miles. Part of how you got a little bit of shine in the community was due to the fact that you got emotional over the Miles Morales trailer so saying that you're not biased towards the character is insanely go back and watch your announcement video go back and watch your reaction video to Spider-Man 2018 you were very critical of the trailer and have pretty much nothing good to say about it. But when Myles got a trailer for his own game you are in tears just seeing props and even talked about you enjoy the Spider-Man because you can identify with him better. And it's not an echo chamber when they are completely idiotic stances taking in the story from a writing perspective that make no sense but to push agendas. I had a cord because you know what the truth is as I said I agree with some of the points you made but you definitely softballed this review as I've watched your other interviews and seeing you go completely in on dumb story writing and nonsense plots. I hope your softball and gets you another insomniac sponsorship for Spider-Man 3. There's an obvious reason this game won no awards at the game awards and it's not echo chamber BS. Peter Parker doesn't take breaks in the in the other media forms because he understands with great power comes great responsibility. This whole take a break BS is just to push miles they spin the whole game basically trying to push Peter in the background in the pushing miles as the better superior Spider-Man. And in the end they do exactly having Peter himself saying why does the city need me when they have you not only that but look at the venom boss fights with Peter and see how long it took you to beat him with Peter and how easy you beat venom by yourself with miles they're handling miles whole ark with kid gloves and the reason you're so blind to it is because as I said you're biased you want miles to be pushed lol Also if you need to take a media class to understand bad writing then obviously you're a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for.
@@thealmightyarchive1422 L take, "I had a cord because you know what the truth is" I *HIT* a *CHORD*, but ok. (maybe you need the regular literacy AND media literacy classes) Peter can still be responsible as a citizen of NY, as a scientist, as MJ's partner all without being Spider-Man on call 24/7. Pete is still around to mentor and train Miles, Pete didn't say he's Spider-Man No More. Teaching, research and development, these are all areas that Pete was forced to de-prioritize due to being Spider-Man. He's committed at the end of the game to helping people as Peter #1 and Spider-Man #2 now instead of the other way around. I'm not saying this decision will go well for Pete, eventually he's gonna have to be back in action as his main gig. But it's a GOOD and interesting and noteworthy decision imo to see Pete try and deal with a greater responsibility to himself in a way that doesn't feel selfish. It's almost like he learned a bit from being overtaken by the symbiote. He doesn't need to be the best and most powerful Spider-Man -- he needs to be the best and most powerful PETE right now. "Peter Parker doesn't take breaks in the in the other media forms". Ah yes, Spider-Man No More, Raimi's Spider-Man 2... I know you're gonna say that the lesson he learns is he needs to be Spider-Man in those examples, but that's not my point. My point is Peter taking breaks (and let's be real, always suffering for it) is like, the entire internal conflict of the character and it's happened so many ways. I honestly don't know how you can say this was handled with kid gloves, P1SM's review is objectively critical for a lot of it. The "race" and "bias" argument you got going is so desperate I almost didn't want to acknowledge how dumb it sounded but it got me mad enough to reply
Regarding the mechanical arms the reason why Peter has no issues with the Arms is because Peter ironed out and fixed the issues with Otto's design the design was working but flawed so Peter took about 2 years to fix the problem with the arms since the game implied that Peter only had it from the sandman mission so yeah that's why he could make it work
There actually is interiors in queens. You can explore the garages near where the scream fight happened. And the financial district has a music store you can walk into. Also sorry for calling you black jon tron years back. That was immature.
I mean I guess but that’s not really something that’ll make a world feel alive is it? Garages? What about coffee shops, bodegas, places you can save which you can exchange tech pieces for which you just collect and serve no real purpose in the end game (didn’t mention that in this already long review)
I didn’t like Spider-Man 1 gameplay much but the sequel I did for the Spider-Men, not MJ. I still like Spider-Man 1 story more than Spider-Man 2. Still don’t like how they handled Hammerhead in the first game though. The first game did have more stuff to do and this is a very safe sequel. That’s the problem. Also I think Peter suit selection sucks for the most part.
I feel like if the Miles Morales game didn’t exist this game would’ve been a lot better for introducing Miles here and having him struggle to be Spider Man. It would’ve been cool to see Peter push him away for failing after he gets the symbiote but eventually having Miles step up and save him. It also would’ve made the Martin Li stuff more interesting with Miles imo. Plus if they released the Miles Morales game afterwards then it would still fit in my opinion with Peter going away with Mary Jane to Europe.
Spiderman2: Abhorrence incarnated Story is crap 😢 writing is crapper😔 Seeing mj takedown enemies quicker than spider-man and miles put together kills the power fantasy on the spot! There is ENOUGH NON-SPIDERMAN GAMEPLAY to make a full game!? ...all of that and he Can't crawl on most interior geometry....he really needs a dedicated crawl modifier!! My mysterio challenge: getting a mission done crawling only without webzip??😂😂😂 I can deal with a lot of shit but, the fact we got all this non superhero game play (pander quotas) and spider-man can't navigate his own in-game geometry without having to reattach to a surface is flat disgusting 😢 Those neighborhoods areas look good tho👍 This is a Great game!....CRAWLING IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPED??😢 I should be able traverse all geometry in game as base philosophy!? ..So I then can get creative with my approaches instead of being blocked by lack of transition animations resorting to webzip for everything🤨 Combat is surface level, at first glance arkham...a lot of nuance is absent!! Fights and brawls should expand to play out over blocks...ontop, on the side of buildings, inside and out...though it probably can't happen due the crawling being so fundamentally incomplete 😢 Webzip can't be used on the fly in motion due to the short activation distance? It needs to be doubled if not tripled...it's fantasy 😤 the bane of spider-man games! ! SIDE MISSIONS STILL suffer from canned sequences! Why can't these developers ever craft enough or make missions to have a randomized way to happen (even tho it might be the same) at least from a different perspective?? Stealth missions have better fluidity but STILL SUCK the same as before....HEY Insomniac..."CAN I PLAY AS SPIDER-MAN FOR AWHILE"!...a streamline mode that edits out this crap! ...Mary Jane has more play time than venom...let that sink in! 😢 Wingsuits are a plus but let's remind ourselves...it only exists bcuz design decisions make traversal a problem!? SWINGING, CRAWLING and FIGHTING should be their own mini game so to speak that makes the mundane values come together to fight monotony. ...that is Swinging, crawling and fighting should stand alone and be fun and ROBUST ENOUGH to carry themselves. when done correctly come together as an emergent playground!? --all elements should be fun.. SANDMAN boss was great RIGHT!?now delete all the QTE and see whats left? BOSSES ARE GOOD but fighting them 3 and 4x in a row is too much!🤨 can we advance the game design to make these fights with replayability in mind!? Lets consolidate all the mini game thus far instead of pick 2 and run it in the ground 😢 Things like if not keeping the city calm BOSSES escape back into the city for recapture??? "Custom challenge creators"...why not!? SIDE NOTE: BATMAN had high ceilings and it was dark uptop! Spiderman is walking 2ft above enemies, has no one @insomniac ever heard of peripheral vision??😢🤓
You literally took the words right out of my mouth. I went back to play arkham city and Asylum after finishing second playthrough of Spiderman 2 to see if I wasn't crazy. If Asylum's stealth (a game from 2009) beats this one there is a serious problem. Best description for these Insomniac spiderman games are a pretty girl with no substance she gets boring real quick because she coasted and got ahead with looks. Good and fun game but it wasn't worth the pre-order like the first one.
After watching some of the game and your review without playing it yet, I agree with the complaints that you’ve made. The gadgets have been nerfed, the special abilities had a lot left to be desired, and some of the narrative could’ve made more sense. Regardless, I’m getting the game when I get the chance and hope I’ll enjoy it.
This game was such a disapointment for me. Gameplaywise, it was good. Too much useless side collectible that don t add anything, but the fights and traversal are enjoyable. But... the writing of this game... so lazy and lack of energy. Compare to the writing of the first game, full of energy, fun and impactfull when it have to. 2 was almost the opposite in every way. Maybe the fact that Harry is Venom made it too predictable. But I m sure that they could have done it far better by simply showing Harry going to the dark side more and more. They also should have put more scenes with Kraven : a good enemy but not exploited to his fullest. But for me, the worst part by far, is that decided to write a passing of the torch right now, at their very first try of having Peter and Miles. And to show how lazy they are, they did it the worst way possible, by nerfing Peter and undermining every actions he makes, and doing the opposite with Miles. So we have an interesting Peter at the center of the plot and the main focus who is constantly humiliated ; and Miles who is not the focus of the game, being less interesting and at the same time overpowered who is constantly encouraged by the characters and the story and praised everytime it is possible. Peter line about the fact that the city don t need hil since Miles is so much better is seriously one of the most disrespectful line I have ever heard. And the cherry on the cacke, Moles is now the main Spider-Man, even when the next big rnemies will be the Green Goblin (Norman is an idiot in this game) and Doctor Octopus returned... bravo Insomniac, you droped the ball. I m ok if Miles become the sole Spider-Man, but the very minimum is to give a good final to Peter story before that, let him defeat his enemies, and then Miles can fight his own rogue galerie instead of using Peter's ones. Before you say "but Peter will come back in 3" I will answer that sure he will, he will be important in the story, but since Miles will be the main character, it s very easy to guess that Pete will be undermine, both physically and mentally like in two... again, in a green goblin and doc ock story ! Again, bravo Insomniac, instead of having a Spider-Man saga with Peter and Miles working togetjer as Spider-Bros, they decide to rush a passing of torch that ressemble a forced replacement. They and Sony lost my thrust and my money for their next game, and believe me, I m sad while writting this.
They actually take away player choice a lot in this game I can’t count the amount of time I was forced into the suit they want me to wear during a part of the story when I can’t remember that in the first game at all it’s almost no point of wearing any other suit during the main story
I find it hilarious how the game has a classic black suit and yet in every mission with symbiote suit on it defaults you to the Insom one. Why even bother at that point.
@@P1SM yea that’s what I’m saying I just felt like the whole suit shit was corny this time around I believe in the first game they only forced u into a suit one time at the end for the anti ock suit but that’s it
@@tariqroberson8496 yeah it forces you technically 3 times. One is the intro (which then quickly swaps to your outfit once you leave the apartment) and then the Anti-Ock sequence where it throws you back into the Advanced suit and then Anti-Ock. Unlike in 2 where you’re forced off for what feels like half the game. It’s nuts. Idk what they were thinking. Especially after feedback from Miles was positive for NOT doing that.
On one hand I understand it for the sake of the story but like, they showed off gameplay during their reveals that allowed you to wear a suit and then have the symbiote over take that suit if it needed to be part of the mission and that just isn’t in the final game for whatever reason. Strange choice.
@@P1SM yea I think that wassup the most disappointing part u don’t even get to see the suit transfer like u said didn’t even make it to the game but was in the gameplay trailer
The game had lots of potential but they played it safe and took a few steps back. Hopefully Insomniac stops pissing games out fast and focus on quality content. Maybe then they'll win an award at TGA. They've had 24 nominations and won 0 awards which is pathetic and impressive.
I classify black suits as what the game does when you do symbiote attacks that plaster enemies to walls. Classic Black Suit and Insom Black suits even with white tendrils will have enemies who get trapped by said attacks wrapped by black goo. Webbed Black Suit doesn't. It also unloads all the stuff you would have with a proper black suit which is what I mean by what I said.
Than you for your review and not holding back! I find the combat in these games boring beyond no end! I’m a huge Spider-Man fan but tbh Arkham games are still superior. Imo of course
I think the main problem with Insomniac's Spider-Man combat is that they don't really do anything different to separate themselves from what's been done so it does feel like a lesser Arkham specifically in this game. In 2018 they had so many gadgets that you could mask that, and be fast and efficient with taking down enemies but in this game, it just doesn't feel that good because the options are so limited and everything is still so basic. I'd love for things like web strikes similar to what Web of Shadows did and how that game approached the verticality of combat with wall fights, and the like then the game would feel like it's actually evolving into something bigger as opposed to stripping down things from the first game into a sequel that feels somewhat lesser.
Not gonna lie but I'd prefer if Harry got venom but Harry couldn't finde it in himself to kill Peter so venom abandon Harry and Venom then goes to Kraven and becomes Venom leading to Kraven not wanting death and just wanting to kill the spiders due to venom influencing Kraven. Don't have to do a whole web of shadows. I definitely wouldn't mind a normal venom lower level battle like we had with Dr. Octopus and Peter could use the anti Venom suit and at the end give it to Harry which could lead to a future Anti venom DLC. I agree with the whole Venom abandoning his host to secure his own survival. For Norman I know this is a cheap copy but Norman could also be getting kicked from his company due to the company seeing Norman as a liability to the company because of Devils breath, Mr Negative and Venom then Norman takes the G serum out of desperation and depression leading to his act of wanting pay back then leading to him attacking Spider-man cause he keeps getting in the way. Which then eventually leads Green Goblin to Dr Octopus
Finally someone brings up the deluxe edition suits being bad,, i regret buying that version of the game since I never use any of em since they look so ugly in game.
Fucking same here! I was debating with my roommate if I should buy it or not, since I wanted everything SM2 had to offer, but fuck I was massively disappointed in what they gave us. Some of the worsts suits I've seen in my life! I've seen fan artists come up with better concept art for suits, plus Miles DLC suits with his red hair sticking out makes me want to cry 🥲 The only saving grace would be is if Insomniac gave us the ability to change suit colors to OUR liking and/or bring back ALL the suits from the first two Spiderman games. I wouldn't mind paying for a bundle of all the suits. That's like over 150suits to choose from....even from the ugly ones 🤣
@nichhenry8740 yeah fr like why is the strike suit in the game but not og ben Reilly skin or into spider verse Peter skin all the uptown pride skin for miles even not a recolor like 😒
@@sonofsparta3858 Exactly! I'll do ya one even better. Imagine if Insomniac added a Boss Rush/Time Attack/Endurance Test after you complete the story. They can lock really good & unique suits behind extra modes to help with replayability. Id want them to add every boss they made so far AND switch up their attack patterns AND/OR have like dual bosses. Like Imagine fighting TaskMaster again along with Kraven! Given unique dialogues when paired with each other and to top it off, whatever Spiderman you're playing as, the other one will fight with you so it can be a 2-on-2 brawl!
@nichhenry8740 hell yeah and by beating all that you unlocked venom to fight against them like peak but they were like nah not even a reward for 100% lol
@@sonofsparta3858 Yeah even in some interviews I watched, the game devs sounded really arrogant about the changes THEY liked and wanted to stick to their games, even admitting they don't care about the feedback as long as their development team likes it. Like yeah, cuz we "all" definitely wanted to play as ugly MJ who's worthless in the story or a deaf girl to spray paint or a little spider bot to control 🤣🤣🤣
now i love Spider Man 2, when i saw this review i loved it from start to finish, praising a game while also pointing out its flaws is the type of reviews i love
You know it’s nice to see when people have different opinions on how they interpret the game. Even though I absolutely loved this game, it feels nice to have a negative opinion and how the game can be better. I also never played the first spider man games so I can’t really give my opinion too much on repeating the story. I disagree with the point about curing Harry with the symbiote because it’s permanently attached to Peter unlike the hive minds and because it was bonded with him the Anti-Venom is now in his mind. On another topic I grew up purely with Harry being the New Goblin and got repetitive for me. So seeing Harry as Venom was amazing to me. I do admit a little hurting of Miles or even MJ would make it feel more natural and justified. But I also disagree with the “pointless mini games ” that to me was what made the game shine is that we need some time in between games to cool down. It’s a sense it’s not just FIGHTING And FIGHTING it gives time to unwind. But hey it’s not my place to judge. So you have your opinion I have mine. I just hope the next game is even greater than this masterpiece.
1:32 Regarding Spider-Man being a teacher were you referring to JMS's run instead of Nick Spencer? I haven't read the Nick Spencer run of Spider-Man so maybe you were right on that
I think the game is a solid 8/10. I enjoyed my time with it but it really could’ve been much better especially the story & some gameplay elements like the stealth being relatively mediocre compared to the first game & the suit abilities being absent.
Traversal is a massive improvement from the last two games. I know in this vid you don’t enjoy them that much but they are so much fun to mess around with lol. Web wings were awesome.
@@JoshCarlos1998I don’t dislike web wings, I just don’t think it should be the fastest way to travel. It’s probably because the swing adjuster settings but swinging feels considerably slower in contrast and it’s super easy to gain momentum with wings vs swinging.
I can see why it didn’t win game of the year, considering the problems Things I like about 2018 but they took away Suit powers Suit mods Gadgets Dimmed the stealth system No day and night mode Not much activity after story mode Like u said they could have done more like adding 10 hours more to the game to get the arcs in
I loved so much of SM2, but it's problems make it the worst of the series imo. The crime variety is signficantly reduced, story was hurt by inclusion of antivenom and a boring ending, plenty of missing features (changing time of day/weather, mission and base replay, spawning crimes, suit mods, new game plus) , and dodging felt way less emphasized in combat than just using all your special abilities. Yes, the swinging and boss fights are better, and the new combat features are cool, but overall this game is much more flawed than either of the two that came before it.
Theyre not gonna change the symbiote color post game. They never will cuz they care so much about "continuity", even tho like 90% of the suits you can free roam in aren't cannon. Its the same reason they didnt include peter parker free roam in any of the games.
I think the main reason is that Peter's face would be still and emotionless. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't care but it would seem incomplete, or unofficial. Maybe even lazy.
@@VonZuben that's true. Ig for me, I didn't even notice it was emotionless during the dlc of sm 2018 or during the side mission where you play as young peter in this game. That's just me tho.
@@elijahshewell1176 I think they did animate him talking in the maskless scenes in this game but I mean in the 1st game it would have been more apparent in Finishers or Photo mode to see his blank look.
Insomniac fanboys so mad it didn't win game of the year but you canr even replay missions 😂 not to mention still no new game plus and lack of things to do in the open world like
It sure is missing some pieces, and could have been better then it already is, but I feel like the dlc is where some of those gaps will be filled when it comes to the story
18:43 No thats not the truth. Thats your opinion. You should know that. Sorry. And I don't agree. Its a good idea. But yes I agree its not done as good as Doc Ock. This game has less emotion than the first
I will say this for me, the game is really good in terms of its story but at the same time each character choice every character makes either in a small side mission really irresponsible. I love the idea of peter parker, letting go of his super hero mantle to his young partner miles morales an that is with context and continuity of both insomnic games . I love the symbiote suit design in its second form, its base form insomniac's first black suit design is really gross.
I like to be thorough with my reviews and this game was very conflicting for me. Finding out why you're conflicted with something you desperately want to enjoy is tough sometimes, and phrasing it in a way that doesn't make you sound like you hate it is equally as tough.
Definitely doesn’t feel that way with the swing adjustment settings. So that might be a bit of discrepancy. Either way the amount of skill it takes to maintain momentum while swinging compared to wings is a massive difference.
Firstly, I just want to thank all of you who have watched and commented and those who have subbed. This has been probably my most critically received review on this channel in quite some time so I'm glad all my hard work during the most stressful time in school for me has paid off in that respect. Secondly, I just want to mention that I still do have that second collectors edition as well as a digital code for the Deluxe edition for this game that I am going to be giving away during my live stream for this game on Friday at 3PM EST over on my twitch channel, so for those of you who may want some 19 inches, here's your chance for a free copy. Hope to see y'all there.
Depression is so unfair
Yes it is.@@JadajanFacerhorse
I LOVE this review. It’s so discouraging how people are unable to look at this game objectively or critically. I enjoyed this game, I had so much fun going through my first playthrough. But that doesn’t justify IGNORING the issues present in this review. 😭 I’ve been fighting for my life trying to explain this stuff to people.
I'm still getting it, even here.
The third act of the story in particular brought a lot of my issues with it into the light by dialing up everything to 11. Web Of Shadows and King In Black are the last thing they should've adapted regarding Venom, especially for his first appearance in this universe.
It's also pretty lame to just reduce Venom's personal enmity with Peter into a generic "alien wants to take over the world" plot.
It wouldve worked if they prioritized their time into building up Venom as a character and didn't waste so much time dawdling with Miles sub plot and MJs.... "heroism".
One thing that alot of people are forgetting about the story is that. Peter KNOWS cletus Cassidy is out there WITH A SYMBIOTE OF HIS OWN at the end of the game. And he still decides to just retire and let miles deal with it.
After everything he went through with harry and the enitre city getting infected..... i cant buy him just chilling with MJ on the couch while miles handles everything
He’s not retiring. He’s taking a break. He’s trusting Miles FULLY to handle New York. Game pretty much says as much.
@@P1SM I see your point . But even still why would he let miles tackle another potential deadly symbiote threat alone.
I could be missing something here so I'm open for a suggestion or dialog
@@jordanMJK because he trusts Miles. He earned his spot when Peter was away in his own game and without Miles practically saving Peter, reforming Li not to mention holding is own against Venom; he’s more than ready to take the lead.
The way they did the passing of the torch is bullshit. Insomniac completly lost my trust because of it, and I seriously hate the story despite having good ideas.
@@laronajohnson3176 You are cute, buddy boy. If Miles was an Irish red head, or a blond European, or even someone who looks like me, I would have said the same thing. A good passing of the torch must be respectfull, especially when we speak about iconic characters. But sure, if you want to dismiss all problems and any critics just by the easy feel goody good "you are racist lol" it s up to you. One thing for sûre, it will not bring anything good to anyone.
For the anti venom thing i think Peter actually CAN'T give the anti venom stuff to Harry since anti venom is literally in his blood cells, meaning it CAN'T bond to anyone else
The game never explicitly states this to my knowledge. The symbiotes also react differently in this universe as things like fire don’t affect them. Either way I feel with how the symbiotes themselves just swap hosts in this game the option itself not even being explored is such a weird thing that is just not acknowledged that it seems illogical to me.
I know Peter was going through a lot but damn he got tossed around too much in this game and them trying to give him a long break while knowing a psycho with another symbiote is loose is just wild to me it seems like this game needed about another year or two in the oven to fully flesh out the story they’re trying to tell but they just have so many projects they’re working on I understand it can’t be easy
The creative director mentioned cutting content so they could have MJ missions. Hopefully the next game has a director who doesn't have his head up his arse.
MJ missions are fine, especially with how they were handled from a pacing perspective here. I’m not opposed to having them, but like I said the way they use her is so frustrating to watch.
Yes the idea of MJ missions aren’t bad it’s the way they’re implemented.
@@abdulazimnaushadDidn't Like his attitude towards the MJ missions he's basically saying he's going to do what he wants to hell what fans think.
If you're irritated by Mary Jane not being careful about showing her connection to Spider-Man, you should also note that Peter and Miles are much quicker to take off their masks in cutscenes than they were in the previous games. It is a bit annoying, even more so if you prefer their older designs.
I agree that Doc Ock was a much more compelling antagonist than Harry. After playing the game a few times, I think it would have been better if Harry had been a more flawed character and his transformation in Venom a culmination of those flaws. As it is, it feels like it's the symbiote that's in control instead of Venom being a true combination between host and symbiote. If you wanted to make it different to Doc Ock, you could have Harry realize how far he's gone instead of jumping over the edge the way Doc Ock did. It wouldn't be unprecedented, since Peter and Harry reconciled before the latter's death in the comics.
This was an excellent review. I admire how thorough you were and as critical as you were, I thought your criticisms were fair. I could see myself recommending this review to anyone who wanted to know why some people were underwhelmed by the game (assuming that they're willing to commit time to watching the whole thing.)
That's what I meant about being frustrated about things but her being the worst culprit of it because the story itself takes note of it, yet nothing comes of it. It's obnoxious the amount of times the two Spider-Men are willing to take their masks off in public. Thank you for watching! I was trying to strike a good balance of things worthy of talking about and not have a 3 hour video lol
The guy who Miles saves isn't Chameleon. There's a quest later that shows he and Kraven hate each other. One of the hunters just disguised as a civilian to trick Miles. Also, I feel like a number of the movie suits could've just been rolled together into alts for each other. Symbiote Raimi as an alt for regular Raimi, the MCU suits as alts of each other, etc. Would've freed up more slots for Peter.
I’ve admittedly watched/listened to this review at least 5 times. After digesting this much anticipated review, I have to say I’m not surprised by your opinion and I agree overall with it. Sitting with the story for a week or so made me realize more and more how safe they unfortunately played it. This game definitely could’ve benefited from being a few hours longer story wise to let arcs develop more especially the symbiote arc. Similar to what you said, I like the game but don’t love it unfortunately. As always, great review nonetheless.
Spider-Man 2 is a very conflicting game.
You hit the nail on the head. The game is great but there’s something off to it. Not as good as the first game, too many plot conveniences and weird stuff that felt forced. Still love the gameplay, but I hope for the third game they improve even more. Great review, waited for your vid for so long lmao
Hope I didn't disappoint
I didn't wait 5+ yrs for a game with "marginal improvements". Wanted a game of the yr quality game. The gameplay itself was marginal improvements. Fun but lacking alot .its depth is shallow because they dont flesh em out. Older spidey games were more gamey. They had more options to utilize but insomniac thought just add special abilities to cover that up.. this js a movie. Cant even replay the game. No combos to unlock or challenges to do. Web swinging is still playing catch-up to older games and there is no interactivity with the city.They should have never showed up to the tga.
I think the part where Peter has the symbiote trace inside of him is supposed to be Insom's version of a codex? But I think codexs were in the spine and not the mind.
35:42 focus can be gained mostly by parrying and web shooting. Cool downs for abilities can be lowered by doing surge or gadgets. Gadgets can be regained by doing focus takedowns or abilities.
Gadgets honestly feel like a downgrade. Mostly for crowd control. Web grenade and web mines are no longer available and that’s unfortunate. Along with electric webs.
Also wish we had character bios and suit bios to see Insomniac’s lore for these characters. As a comic nerd I’d like to know more about their rendition of these characters.
Just so you know in the comics the host that has anti venom can't give it to other people becasue the anti venom is in his cells, dna, and other things in the body. but anti venom can also heal people without giving them the syimbiote. so idk why inconiac didn't think sabout that. 🤦♂
These symbiotes play by different rules though. They’re immune to fire here among other changes so like again the fact that something so obvious wasn’t explored as an option is to me insane.
The first time I played the game was after new game+ was implemented with the addition of the replayable hunter bases and being able to change the symbiotic tendrils from white to black.
All the patches, even adding a couple new suits.
Yet, everything you’ve said is 100% accurate as of August 2024. Spider-Man 2018 was my baby, and Miles Morales was extremely fun just because of how bombastic it was but in a still functional way.
Spider-Man 2 just doesn’t illicit the same response. They zigged when they should have zagged lol. I’ve only got like 120 hours in the game as opposed to 2018 where I had well over 200, same with Miles Morales.
Hopefully Spider-Man 3 doesn’t get rushed and they can clean up. It’s still a decent game, a technical marvel. But I’ll be waiting for the next iteration, to be Spidey again lol
As for the swinging you are right good but could have been better, it feels like games nowadays publishers and studios don’t sell games that are polished and secured but now is a buggy mess with missing content and you have to wait for them to implement them in the game later down the line.
I had the same thought of the anti venom suit but no it’s apparently bonded to a Peters Blood Cells Permanently meaning he can’t give the Symbiote or lose it, now it’s a part of him. Also Uncharted 3 was awesome still has the best hand to hand combat in the uncharted series And most craziest set pieces,
Is that actually explained in the game though? Like I genuinely don't remember that, but I could also just have my brain fried because of school.
@@P1SMI believe I remember them saying the Symbiote bonds on a cellular level, and the Anti Venom suit is basically just the Symbiote without the mind as Peter says. In the comics, the Anti Venom suit rather than being an actual Symbiote unlike Insomniac, it was just an immune system built against Symbiotes, however they game translated it as the Symbiote without the bad side effects due to Martin Li’s power. Anyways I hope I was able to explain things, I hope you have a great day!
I’m with you every step of the way on this review. I feel this game was a big ps5 experiment, which is fun. But the story feels like stuff being thrown at the wall and whatever sticks makes the cut. Especially the ending. Ruined the game for me and I knew it wasn’t winning game of the year. There’s no explainable reason Pete didn’t give harry the anti venom suit and no way should they be holding hands while Norman is so close. Very unfortunate
Plus venom was mid. Kraven was great but he killed off every other villain.
@@denzelmichigan4688 Kraven was mid too tbh. Just some Slasher movie villain who was just some walking plot device. Such a 1 note character in this game when something INTERESTING couldve been done with him with a few tweaks
He can't give it to Harry it's literally stated in the game it's bonded to peter on a cellar level he can't give it up
@@toren2099 tbh he doesnt HAVE to give it to Harry if insomniac adapted the damn thing properly. Anti Venim can heal pretty much ANYTHING. Peter coulda saved Harey his damn self
I just came from your critique of the combat video where I said that arms having surge would've been interesting and it's good to see I'm not the only one. Gimmicky is the perfect description of this game's combat especially with the abilities.
44:43 - 44:49 you got me good with this one after what devs were going for in terms of flow I guess arkham's freeflow (which improved with every installment) has them beat and they made things worse with the sequel. Removing the mods was the dumbest idea here. I remember throwing my friend in the deep end and made the necessary alterations with mods and suit powers for him to manage after a short introduction.
I share your sentiment I won't talk about the stealth and how much worse it got.
Hell I went back to Arkham Asylum, city and Knight (I don't have origins unfortunately I have to find a copy) and had a blast especially with city and Asylum.
Great review, my man. A balanced yet critical take on the game. I feel like the A-team in Insomniac Games after laying the foundation for the sequel went to make Wolverine. For me the most disappointing aspect was the open world elements.
Miles felt… strange to me in this game.
While I understand that the game isn’t solely about Peter anymore, it felt like they were making me play as him for the vast majority of the game (I’m aware it wasn’t but felt that way) and at times I very much felt he was the one saving… everyone. All the time.
I get he’s coming in as the main Spiderman moving forward (maybe), but it just felt shoe horned in.
Maybe it’s just me.
It's not just you
Good to see someone talking about the unSpiderman things in the gameplay. You can cross NY by just doing air tricks and those jumps and dashes, and those arms are there just to match Miles when Peter should have gadgets. The arms get overused
I think I’m the only one who was bothered by them redesigning Peter’s suit but not adding a pack on his back to show where his arms come from like the other suits that was designed to use arms
I mean I get where you're coming from, especially since the suit was redesigned with the web wings but like..it's a minor thing all things considered and it probably would've ruined the look of Advance Suit 2.0 (which I think is a big improvement overall!)
Reason why I only rocked the Superior suit once I got it.
Oh wow, talk about speaking the truth. So many people were mad that Spider Man didn't even win a single award, let alone GOTY. But clearly a lot of those biases are tied towards:
1 - The hyper focus on Peter/Yuri
2 - The incredible cinematography throughout cutscenes and gameplay.
3 - The major spike in difficulty from Amazing on up, appeasing the fanbase who pursues a challenge ala ER.
But like you, I noticed so many things wrong with the game that I knew that this game wasn't heading towards GOTY, especially after playing BG3 for 300+ hours. Another aspect that detracted from it was the far from equal footing expected from this game with Peter and Miles. There have been articles out there highlighting how Miles got shortchange in this game in regards to plot importance and mission playability. A clear example of that is the mission that forced you to play as Peter when you're rescuing Ganke and Rio, while Miles is literally next to you. That's like expecting to play as Miles when MJ turned to Scream. It made no sense. So instead of having a 50/50 Spider Man game, we got a 75 Peter/ 25 Miles with the promise that Miles would be the "Main" Spider Man going forward.
So yeah, SM2 is also in the "like" column for me. A solid B, but nowhere near the ultimate game personified like some gamers were proclaiming.
I wasn't too upset with Miles getting short changed because the devs had pretty much confirmed a while back that while Miles has his bits in the story that this game would primarily focus on Peter so knowing that coming in made me not anticipate it not being 50/50 but the lack of focus on him during certain missions where it really should've been him is weird indeed.
Either way I still think Miles had the better arc in the game even with less time, how does that even happen LOL
@@P1SM Really?! I wish I would have came across this. That would have changed my expectation (and excitement) towards the game drastically.
In regards to Miles having a better arc, I think they both weren't done well. The fact that one of the culminations of Miles Arc (the confirmation of Hailey and Miles relationship via a kiss) was placed in not even the mid credit scene, but the after credit scene is extremely problematic. Fortunately, many people are aware that Marvel content normally have after credit scenes, but it still puts the possibility of someone missing it.
So I think both Miles and Peter have some narrative discrepancies that is probably tied to it being rushed.
It's funny you say that , cuz while giving Peter good screen time what they did was make him a fraction of himself , turned him into a side character that Miles needs to save throughout the story events and blatantly showed Miles as way stronger than him . Rescuing Rio and Ganki ? Miles did the final boss fight of the game against Venom while barely even knowing Harry and Peter being knocked out while wearing the ultimate weakness of venom . When Miles has Rhino's weakness , Peter gets knocked out and Miles puts up a better fight . When Peter has Venom's weakness , Peter still gets knocked out and Miles puts up a better fight , Peter only gets to finish him while Harry , Venom's host himself actively helps him in doing that .
Damn right Miles will be the main spiderman going foraward , how is that not clear by the full game itself? Let alone an explicit declaration . All the screen time does for Peter is make him fall and fall and fall while the little overcoming he does is thanks to Miles . Miles gets over the death of his father while Mister Negative enforces the toll even more , defeats and forgives him right after, while Peter is completely lost and needs Miles's guidance even after he and Lee already saved him from succumbing to the death of May by going into his mind and gave him Anti Venom . This game is 75/25 but in the opposite direction than what you said . It was very interesting reading your comment cuz i never saw it this way , i was like what were they thinking? Now i understand how impressive this strategy is , you show more of Peter's story to give an impression that he's being given more importance on the surface level while also making him fall bad as a hero , while what you do give Miles is just solid development while also making him pick up the main hero smoothly turning him into a side character and give Miles the main boss battle which keeping the illusion with Peter finishing off the main villain in a cutscene as the villain himself helps Peter in doing that.
@@humanman9920 Miles rescuing Peter throughout the story? We must have played two separate games because the game I played also had Peter rescuing Miles. As the developer said, the intention was to show that when one Spider Man was weak, the other would come to the rescue. Miles was rescued by Peter when he was captured by Kraven, and Miles helped Peter in getting the symbiote off of him.
And of course he should be fighting Venom at the final boss fight. You best believe there would have been a massive outroar if MJ had a mission in the final boss fight and yet Miles didn't. It doesn't matter that Miles doesn't know Harry. It isn't Harry vs Peter. It's Venom vs Spider Man, and Miles is every bit as Spider Man as Peter.
But as I said, I'm not the only one that states that SM2 is a Peter Orientated Story. There are numerous articles out there that has pointed towards that. Such as the link below:
screenrant.com/marvels-spiderman-2-dlc-miles-morales/
Now I'm not saying Peter had a fantastic arc, but there are definitely some issues with some statements.
1 - Both Miles and Peter had Venom's weaknesses. It's just that people seem to forget this because as I said, folks are Peter orientated. One of the entire arcs associated with Miles is the fact that his venom powers was being infused with Mr.Negative powers, the same powers that helped forged Anti-Venom and the same powers that addresses the symbiotes.
2 - It shows you weren't paying attention to Miles Arc because he specifically states in the game he doesn't and won't forgive Mr.Negative. He just won't carry the hatred he has towards him anymore. But to say the only time Peter was successful was with the help of Miles is false. There's literally two boss battles that involves Peter rescuing someone solo, the Lizard and Scream. So, it's funny that people keep referencing to Miles saving Peter (even though it was Peter himself that pulls off the symbiote) but don't reference Peter doing the exact same thing to MJ. And the Lizard fight must be non-existent to some people.
3 - It was a cutscene that put Peter out of the fight to transition to Miles, and it was a cutscene that put Miles out of the fight to have Peter stop venom with MJ turning on the particle accelerator to stop the symbiotes. So you can't try to diminish the importance of a cutscene while then prompting a separate cutscene to indicate a point.
As mentioned, neither Peter nor Miles Arc was fantastic by any means. But you should watch this video to see all of the issues associated with Peter's Arc that doesn't jump down the false narrative of "Peter is inferior, all bow down to Miles." This video tells you much of the narrative issues associated with the story.
People don't like to value Miles' game because it's short or a "DLC", but I think it's better than Spider 2 ps5 in some areas
The story is simple but focused, it has a cool christmas vibe and a touching theme about community (especially since it was released during the pandemic)
I'll play miles morales 50 times more than spiderman 2
I did (and do) I think Miles is a solid overall package even if it is short.
I don't know if I can call "Miles Morales" a better game than "2" (I just prefer a more expansive experience) but I did feel more satisfied with it that I did with the next sequel.
@@P1SMmarvel Spider-Man 2 PS4 aswell PS5 only year October 20 December 24 in game PS4 2018 2020 marvel Spider-Man one and marvel Spider-Man miles Morales next game par 2
Miles & Arkham Origins are the best Christmas games to play
Now that the hype is down I’ve had time to think about the game, and In terms of story & side content you’ve read my mind.
I’ll wait till a goty edition or something, sometimes bigger is not always better.
This game coming out on PC will be a great thing
Suits from the other games back, Black suit versions of the films, not being stuck with wearing that horrible Miles suit at the end, and.... Ps4 face
Coming from a guy who fucking LOVES the first game (It's perfect, hands down)... I didn't love this one either.
It's still a good game, but the gameplay feels less SPIDER-MANy and the story lacks the emotion from the first game.
Spiderman 2 will always be that game of we wish "stayed happening". Instead of being here.
Just so you know how Miles gets that container he does walk past him Oscor Tech, that is in that building but other than that I have no idea how the hell he got that
Banger review that will age really well. Even though Insomniac can patch the game there a a bunch of problems that just can’t be fixed that you really wouldn’t expect to be problems from Insomniac. It’s like they thought they would have more time than they did. The delayed announcement of a release date paired with releasing in October instead of September were the first signs that something wasn’t right. Then Peters suit kept flipping between white and black trim until a month before launch. Then how I knew the game wouldn’t live up to my expectations: Peter’s air dodge. It still functions as stiffly as it did on the PS4 even though they fixed that for Miles.
My guess is Sony wouldn’t give a delay as 2023 wasn’t a hot year so it was hinging on Spider-Man and Insomniac bit off more than they could chew. It’s extremely unfortunate that this is how the game turned out. Had Insomniac planned for 2024 instead they would have been far better off. Pre production was during lockdown so I’m betting Insomniac planned a lot that they just couldn’t follow through on.
Man I hope so. Thank you for watching!
Loved the review, personally I loved the game but definitely understand (and even agree with) a lot of your issues with it. But with the whole Anti Venom thing, I don't think Peter can give it to anyone even if he wanted to, since Connors said it's in him at the sub cellular level, which ties to how it worked in the books with the Anti Venom symbiote being tied to Eddie's white blood cells. But overall great review!
Yes and No.
1 - Samples of the Anti Venom Symbiote has been taken and artificially duplicated to create a separate anti venom symbiote. This has happened numerous times.
2 - All symbiotes have the ability to create children of themselves, up to six, which possesses the abilities of abilities of the parent symbiote as well as new powers. We saw this in the game as Venom created one of his children, Scream. Peter should be able to perform that skill as well.
So yes, Peter wouldn't technically be able to give Harry "his suit", but the plothole still exists because there's two ways to duplicate the symbiote to save Harry, one literally shown right in front of Peter eyes, and he never considers it.
@@Leo619858 There is literally no way Peter could have figured that out in this game
@@BriarPatchNyra Well we will have to agree to disagree. The fact that Venom literally replicated right before his eyes should have at least given Peter the idea of doing the same thing.
Does he actually say that? I don’t recall him saying that at all. Most dialogue I can recollect with Connors usually has him going “I don’t know, we need to know more” kind of deal. And with how much the symbionts suit itself got swapped around and how Insomniac loves to change the rules to things in their universe…
@@P1SM I think they just needed to close off the possibility with a line of dialogue. It seems from the game that only the mindful, black symbiote was capable of moving hosts and only because it chose to, but the characters never seem to figure that out for certain so it feels like an obvious solution is dumbly left sitting there unexplored and unacknowledged.
3 games in and I still cant get to lady liberty
I liked the first game better honestly in terms of story and major elements of gameplay.
The best review I’ve seen, u covered literally every single issue I’ve had with the game
Thank you! Worked hard on it.
I like the game, but the only thing I don't like is the ending. Peter say to Miles that he let him care of the city alone, to have all his time as Peter Parker , but that a bad idea. Miles is only a teenager and he doesn't have enough experience as Peter and Miles have to deal with school , is not the case of Peter so that really bad idea. And this duo work really well if one Spider Man is in danger the other can help him, they are better together.
Did Peter have enough experience when he started? No. Of course not. Miles has been taught and far superseded expectations. He’s ready.
@@P1SMI'm going to keep this short since I saw that you didn't read the other long comment that somebody made.
But I agree with the person above that Miles isnt ready I believe because of your ethnicity and background that you want him to the new Spider-Man.
It's baffling how Peter wants to just put being Spider-Man on a back burner when the most potent line in all of comic books is a line from Spiderman with great power comes great responsibility.
Peter didn't lose his powers so doesn't he still have a responsibility to uphold?
I guess we're also going to ignore all of the pandering the studio included into the game. It honestly feels like you held back punches in this review to not completely burn your Bridges with with this studio as we all know they showed you a little favor in the past. I agree with some of the points you made but I definitely feel selling out is a thing on this channel now seeming as you clearly didn't talk about a lot of issues that even the community brought up as annoying.
Hate to say it but I'm not sure I'll be back for another review on modern spiderman games
@@thealmightyarchive1422 it has ZERO to do with my ethnicity or race and the fact that THAT is even being brought up as a reason is insulting and embarrassing. Check yourself before spewing that nonsense because I was a Spider-Man fan long before Miles was even introduced.
People are acting is if Peter is permanently going away. I implore people, please take a media literacy class. “Go be Peter Parker for a while” is what is said. What does that imply? What did the characters say during the Coney Island mission? IT. IS. A. BREAK. Miles has proven himself capable by handling a pretty big issue ON HIS OWN in his game, then in this one not only overcomes his OWN personal battles, but SAVES Peter, and REFORMS Martin Li and top of holding his own against Venom. He does what Peter couldn’t do himself with Li. Peter didn’t completely trust him before but he does now, and when he really needs him will be there. How is that not being ready? How is all of that being so grossly misinterpreted? Did we play the same game? Also, GTFO of here with this “selling out” garbage. I used words in this review such as “cookie cutter”, “uninspired” “unfocused” and even called them out on their poorly implanted mechanics and repeated unlocks. You want an echo chamber of regurgitated opinions go to Reddit, I write my own reviews.
@@P1SM I find it funny how you say those things to me but will softball the game devs I know all about your history I've been watching your channel for years. And if you look at your own videos it's beyond obvious that your bias towards miles. Part of how you got a little bit of shine in the community was due to the fact that you got emotional over the Miles Morales trailer so saying that you're not biased towards the character is insanely go back and watch your announcement video go back and watch your reaction video to Spider-Man 2018 you were very critical of the trailer and have pretty much nothing good to say about it. But when Myles got a trailer for his own game you are in tears just seeing props and even talked about you enjoy the Spider-Man because you can identify with him better.
And it's not an echo chamber when they are completely idiotic stances taking in the story from a writing perspective that make no sense but to push agendas. I had a cord because you know what the truth is as I said I agree with some of the points you made but you definitely softballed this review as I've watched your other interviews and seeing you go completely in on dumb story writing and nonsense plots. I hope your softball and gets you another insomniac sponsorship for Spider-Man 3. There's an obvious reason this game won no awards at the game awards and it's not echo chamber BS.
Peter Parker doesn't take breaks in the in the other media forms because he understands with great power comes great responsibility. This whole take a break BS is just to push miles they spin the whole game basically trying to push Peter in the background in the pushing miles as the better superior Spider-Man. And in the end they do exactly having Peter himself saying why does the city need me when they have you not only that but look at the venom boss fights with Peter and see how long it took you to beat him with Peter and how easy you beat venom by yourself with miles they're handling miles whole ark with kid gloves and the reason you're so blind to it is because as I said you're biased you want miles to be pushed lol
Also if you need to take a media class to understand bad writing then obviously you're a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for.
@@thealmightyarchive1422
L take, "I had a cord because you know what the truth is"
I *HIT* a *CHORD*, but ok. (maybe you need the regular literacy AND media literacy classes)
Peter can still be responsible as a citizen of NY, as a scientist, as MJ's partner all without being Spider-Man on call 24/7. Pete is still around to mentor and train Miles, Pete didn't say he's Spider-Man No More. Teaching, research and development, these are all areas that Pete was forced to de-prioritize due to being Spider-Man. He's committed at the end of the game to helping people as Peter #1 and Spider-Man #2 now instead of the other way around. I'm not saying this decision will go well for Pete, eventually he's gonna have to be back in action as his main gig. But it's a GOOD and interesting and noteworthy decision imo to see Pete try and deal with a greater responsibility to himself in a way that doesn't feel selfish. It's almost like he learned a bit from being overtaken by the symbiote. He doesn't need to be the best and most powerful Spider-Man -- he needs to be the best and most powerful PETE right now.
"Peter Parker doesn't take breaks in the in the other media forms". Ah yes, Spider-Man No More, Raimi's Spider-Man 2... I know you're gonna say that the lesson he learns is he needs to be Spider-Man in those examples, but that's not my point. My point is Peter taking breaks (and let's be real, always suffering for it) is like, the entire internal conflict of the character and it's happened so many ways.
I honestly don't know how you can say this was handled with kid gloves, P1SM's review is objectively critical for a lot of it.
The "race" and "bias" argument you got going is so desperate I almost didn't want to acknowledge how dumb it sounded but it got me mad enough to reply
Regarding the mechanical arms the reason why Peter has no issues with the Arms is because Peter ironed out and fixed the issues with Otto's design the design was working but flawed so Peter took about 2 years to fix the problem with the arms since the game implied that Peter only had it from the sandman mission so yeah that's why he could make it work
Kraven should have just hunted MJ he would have lost in seconds
Man you really hit the nail on the head. You put a lot of what I was thinking and more so perfectly into words. Great video :)
There actually is interiors in queens. You can explore the garages near where the scream fight happened. And the financial district has a music store you can walk into.
Also sorry for calling you black jon tron years back. That was immature.
I mean I guess but that’s not really something that’ll make a world feel alive is it? Garages? What about coffee shops, bodegas, places you can save which you can exchange tech pieces for which you just collect and serve no real purpose in the end game (didn’t mention that in this already long review)
I didn’t like Spider-Man 1 gameplay much but the sequel I did for the Spider-Men, not MJ. I still like Spider-Man 1 story more than Spider-Man 2. Still don’t like how they handled Hammerhead in the first game though. The first game did have more stuff to do and this is a very safe sequel. That’s the problem. Also I think Peter suit selection sucks for the most part.
I feel like if the Miles Morales game didn’t exist this game would’ve been a lot better for introducing Miles here and having him struggle to be Spider Man. It would’ve been cool to see Peter push him away for failing after he gets the symbiote but eventually having Miles step up and save him. It also would’ve made the Martin Li stuff more interesting with Miles imo. Plus if they released the Miles Morales game afterwards then it would still fit in my opinion with Peter going away with Mary Jane to Europe.
Oh plus the gameplay would’ve been a lot more enjoyable bc they would’ve just straight up introduced Miles as a playable character in this game.
THIS
Great review bro, I think imma hold off on buying this game right now and buy it once the price drops a good amount.
Spiderman2: Abhorrence incarnated
Story is crap 😢 writing is crapper😔
Seeing mj takedown enemies quicker than spider-man and miles put together kills the power fantasy on the spot!
There is ENOUGH NON-SPIDERMAN GAMEPLAY to make a full game!?
...all of that and he Can't crawl on most interior geometry....he really needs a dedicated crawl modifier!!
My mysterio challenge: getting a mission done crawling only without webzip??😂😂😂
I can deal with a lot of shit but, the fact we got all this non superhero game play (pander quotas) and spider-man can't navigate his own in-game geometry without having to reattach to a surface is flat disgusting 😢
Those neighborhoods areas look good tho👍
This is a Great game!....CRAWLING IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPED??😢
I should be able traverse all geometry in game as base philosophy!?
..So I then can get creative with my approaches instead of being blocked by lack of transition animations resorting to webzip for everything🤨
Combat is surface level, at first glance arkham...a lot of nuance is absent!!
Fights and brawls should expand to play out over blocks...ontop, on the side of buildings, inside and out...though it probably can't happen due the crawling being so fundamentally incomplete 😢
Webzip can't be used on the fly in motion due to the short activation distance? It needs to be doubled if not tripled...it's fantasy 😤
the bane of spider-man games! ! SIDE MISSIONS STILL suffer from canned sequences! Why can't these developers ever craft enough or make missions to have a randomized way to happen (even tho it might be the same) at least from a different perspective??
Stealth missions have better fluidity but STILL SUCK the same as before....HEY Insomniac..."CAN I PLAY AS SPIDER-MAN FOR AWHILE"!...a streamline mode that edits out this crap! ...Mary Jane has more play time than venom...let that sink in! 😢
Wingsuits are a plus but let's remind ourselves...it only exists bcuz design decisions make traversal a problem!?
SWINGING, CRAWLING and FIGHTING should be their own mini game so to speak that makes the mundane values come together to fight monotony.
...that is Swinging, crawling and fighting should stand alone and be fun and ROBUST ENOUGH to carry themselves. when done correctly come together as an emergent playground!? --all elements should be fun..
SANDMAN boss was great RIGHT!?now delete all the QTE and see whats left?
BOSSES ARE GOOD but fighting them 3 and 4x in a row is too much!🤨
can we advance the game design to make these fights with replayability in mind!?
Lets consolidate all the mini game thus far instead of pick 2 and run it in the ground 😢
Things like if not keeping the city calm BOSSES escape back into the city for recapture???
"Custom challenge creators"...why not!?
SIDE NOTE: BATMAN had high ceilings and it was dark uptop! Spiderman is walking 2ft above enemies, has no one @insomniac ever heard of peripheral vision??😢🤓
Man, I appreciate the comment and the view, but this is WAY too long a comment to read.
I'm with you!
You literally took the words right out of my mouth. I went back to play arkham city and Asylum after finishing second playthrough of Spiderman 2 to see if I wasn't crazy. If Asylum's stealth (a game from 2009) beats this one there is a serious problem. Best description for these Insomniac spiderman games are a pretty girl with no substance she gets boring real quick because she coasted and got ahead with looks. Good and fun game but it wasn't worth the pre-order like the first one.
I loved the game. But wouldn’t say it beats the first one
I get it! I really do.
After watching some of the game and your review without playing it yet, I agree with the complaints that you’ve made. The gadgets have been nerfed, the special abilities had a lot left to be desired, and some of the narrative could’ve made more sense. Regardless, I’m getting the game when I get the chance and hope I’ll enjoy it.
This game was such a disapointment for me.
Gameplaywise, it was good. Too much useless side collectible that don t add anything, but the fights and traversal are enjoyable. But... the writing of this game... so lazy and lack of energy. Compare to the writing of the first game, full of energy, fun and impactfull when it have to. 2 was almost the opposite in every way. Maybe the fact that Harry is Venom made it too predictable. But I m sure that they could have done it far better by simply showing Harry going to the dark side more and more. They also should have put more scenes with Kraven : a good enemy but not exploited to his fullest.
But for me, the worst part by far, is that decided to write a passing of the torch right now, at their very first try of having Peter and Miles. And to show how lazy they are, they did it the worst way possible, by nerfing Peter and undermining every actions he makes, and doing the opposite with Miles. So we have an interesting Peter at the center of the plot and the main focus who is constantly humiliated ; and Miles who is not the focus of the game, being less interesting and at the same time overpowered who is constantly encouraged by the characters and the story and praised everytime it is possible. Peter line about the fact that the city don t need hil since Miles is so much better is seriously one of the most disrespectful line I have ever heard. And the cherry on the cacke, Moles is now the main Spider-Man, even when the next big rnemies will be the Green Goblin (Norman is an idiot in this game) and Doctor Octopus returned... bravo Insomniac, you droped the ball. I m ok if Miles become the sole Spider-Man, but the very minimum is to give a good final to Peter story before that, let him defeat his enemies, and then Miles can fight his own rogue galerie instead of using Peter's ones. Before you say "but Peter will come back in 3" I will answer that sure he will, he will be important in the story, but since Miles will be the main character, it s very easy to guess that Pete will be undermine, both physically and mentally like in two... again, in a green goblin and doc ock story ! Again, bravo Insomniac, instead of having a Spider-Man saga with Peter and Miles working togetjer as Spider-Bros, they decide to rush a passing of torch that ressemble a forced replacement. They and Sony lost my thrust and my money for their next game, and believe me, I m sad while writting this.
Peter Parker deserved better!
if i had a nickel for every time dude misused 'relatively'
They actually take away player choice a lot in this game I can’t count the amount of time I was forced into the suit they want me to wear during a part of the story when I can’t remember that in the first game at all it’s almost no point of wearing any other suit during the main story
I find it hilarious how the game has a classic black suit and yet in every mission with symbiote suit on it defaults you to the Insom one. Why even bother at that point.
@@P1SM yea that’s what I’m saying I just felt like the whole suit shit was corny this time around I believe in the first game they only forced u into a suit one time at the end for the anti ock suit but that’s it
@@tariqroberson8496 yeah it forces you technically 3 times. One is the intro (which then quickly swaps to your outfit once you leave the apartment) and then the Anti-Ock sequence where it throws you back into the Advanced suit and then Anti-Ock. Unlike in 2 where you’re forced off for what feels like half the game. It’s nuts. Idk what they were thinking. Especially after feedback from Miles was positive for NOT doing that.
On one hand I understand it for the sake of the story but like, they showed off gameplay during their reveals that allowed you to wear a suit and then have the symbiote over take that suit if it needed to be part of the mission and that just isn’t in the final game for whatever reason. Strange choice.
@@P1SM yea I think that wassup the most disappointing part u don’t even get to see the suit transfer like u said didn’t even make it to the game but was in the gameplay trailer
Not to mention Lee could've been there to anti-venom...well venom 😅
It’s implied Li drains his entire power into saving Peter, so likely not.
SPIDER CUBE!! 😂🟦🟥
The game had lots of potential but they played it safe and took a few steps back.
Hopefully Insomniac stops pissing games out fast and focus on quality content.
Maybe then they'll win an award at TGA. They've had 24 nominations and won 0 awards which is pathetic and impressive.
33:38 I think it is considered
Only black suits do not suffer suit damage, and the webbed black suit is one of them
I classify black suits as what the game does when you do symbiote attacks that plaster enemies to walls. Classic Black Suit and Insom Black suits even with white tendrils will have enemies who get trapped by said attacks wrapped by black goo. Webbed Black Suit doesn't. It also unloads all the stuff you would have with a proper black suit which is what I mean by what I said.
Than you for your review and not holding back! I find the combat in these games boring beyond no end! I’m a huge Spider-Man fan but tbh Arkham games are still superior. Imo of course
I think the main problem with Insomniac's Spider-Man combat is that they don't really do anything different to separate themselves from what's been done so it does feel like a lesser Arkham specifically in this game. In 2018 they had so many gadgets that you could mask that, and be fast and efficient with taking down enemies but in this game, it just doesn't feel that good because the options are so limited and everything is still so basic. I'd love for things like web strikes similar to what Web of Shadows did and how that game approached the verticality of combat with wall fights, and the like then the game would feel like it's actually evolving into something bigger as opposed to stripping down things from the first game into a sequel that feels somewhat lesser.
@@P1SM exactly! For the most part the combat is very button mashy and it doesn’t help that spidey struggles with the most basic of enemy types.
Not gonna lie but I'd prefer if Harry got venom but Harry couldn't finde it in himself to kill Peter so venom abandon Harry and Venom then goes to Kraven and becomes Venom leading to Kraven not wanting death and just wanting to kill the spiders due to venom influencing Kraven. Don't have to do a whole web of shadows. I definitely wouldn't mind a normal venom lower level battle like we had with Dr. Octopus and Peter could use the anti Venom suit and at the end give it to Harry which could lead to a future Anti venom DLC. I agree with the whole Venom abandoning his host to secure his own survival. For Norman I know this is a cheap copy but Norman could also be getting kicked from his company due to the company seeing Norman as a liability to the company because of Devils breath, Mr Negative and Venom then Norman takes the G serum out of desperation and depression leading to his act of wanting pay back then leading to him attacking Spider-man cause he keeps getting in the way. Which then eventually leads Green Goblin to Dr Octopus
Finally someone brings up the deluxe edition suits being bad,, i regret buying that version of the game since I never use any of em since they look so ugly in game.
Fucking same here! I was debating with my roommate if I should buy it or not, since I wanted everything SM2 had to offer, but fuck I was massively disappointed in what they gave us. Some of the worsts suits I've seen in my life!
I've seen fan artists come up with better concept art for suits, plus Miles DLC suits with his red hair sticking out makes me want to cry 🥲
The only saving grace would be is if Insomniac gave us the ability to change suit colors to OUR liking and/or bring back ALL the suits from the first two Spiderman games. I wouldn't mind paying for a bundle of all the suits. That's like over 150suits to choose from....even from the ugly ones 🤣
@nichhenry8740 yeah fr like why is the strike suit in the game but not og ben Reilly skin or into spider verse Peter skin all the uptown pride skin for miles even not a recolor like 😒
@@sonofsparta3858 Exactly! I'll do ya one even better. Imagine if Insomniac added a Boss Rush/Time Attack/Endurance Test after you complete the story. They can lock really good & unique suits behind extra modes to help with replayability. Id want them to add every boss they made so far AND switch up their attack patterns AND/OR have like dual bosses. Like Imagine fighting TaskMaster again along with Kraven! Given unique dialogues when paired with each other and to top it off, whatever Spiderman you're playing as, the other one will fight with you so it can be a 2-on-2 brawl!
@nichhenry8740 hell yeah and by beating all that you unlocked venom to fight against them like peak but they were like nah not even a reward for 100% lol
@@sonofsparta3858 Yeah even in some interviews I watched, the game devs sounded really arrogant about the changes THEY liked and wanted to stick to their games, even admitting they don't care about the feedback as long as their development team likes it. Like yeah, cuz we "all" definitely wanted to play as ugly MJ who's worthless in the story or a deaf girl to spray paint or a little spider bot to control 🤣🤣🤣
now i love Spider Man 2, when i saw this review i loved it from start to finish, praising a game while also pointing out its flaws is the type of reviews i love
It’s what I do.
You know it’s nice to see when people have different opinions on how they interpret the game. Even though I absolutely loved this game, it feels nice to have a negative opinion and how the game can be better. I also never played the first spider man games so I can’t really give my opinion too much on repeating the story. I disagree with the point about curing Harry with the symbiote because it’s permanently attached to Peter unlike the hive minds and because it was bonded with him the Anti-Venom is now in his mind. On another topic I grew up purely with Harry being the New Goblin and got repetitive for me. So seeing Harry as Venom was amazing to me. I do admit a little hurting of Miles or even MJ would make it feel more natural and justified. But I also disagree with the “pointless mini games ” that to me was what made the game shine is that we need some time in between games to cool down. It’s a sense it’s not just FIGHTING And FIGHTING it gives time to unwind. But hey it’s not my place to judge. So you have your opinion I have mine. I just hope the next game is even greater than this masterpiece.
1:32 Regarding Spider-Man being a teacher were you referring to JMS's run instead of Nick Spencer? I haven't read the Nick Spencer run of Spider-Man so maybe you were right on that
No you’re right. It was JMS’ run. I made a mistake on that with something else I had been reading recently. School had my brain fried lol.
I think the game is a solid 8/10. I enjoyed my time with it but it really could’ve been much better especially the story & some gameplay elements like the stealth being relatively mediocre compared to the first game & the suit abilities being absent.
Traversal is a massive improvement from the last two games. I know in this vid you don’t enjoy them that much but they are so much fun to mess around with lol. Web wings were awesome.
@@JoshCarlos1998I don’t dislike web wings, I just don’t think it should be the fastest way to travel. It’s probably because the swing adjuster settings but swinging feels considerably slower in contrast and it’s super easy to gain momentum with wings vs swinging.
I can see why it didn’t win game of the year, considering the problems
Things I like about 2018 but they took away
Suit powers
Suit mods
Gadgets
Dimmed the stealth system
No day and night mode
Not much activity after story mode
Like u said they could have done more like adding 10 hours more to the game to get the arcs in
I loved so much of SM2, but it's problems make it the worst of the series imo. The crime variety is signficantly reduced, story was hurt by inclusion of antivenom and a boring ending, plenty of missing features (changing time of day/weather, mission and base replay, spawning crimes, suit mods, new game plus) , and dodging felt way less emphasized in combat than just using all your special abilities. Yes, the swinging and boss fights are better, and the new combat features are cool, but overall this game is much more flawed than either of the two that came before it.
This Anti Venom is bonded to Peter's DNA
It's not a masterpiece. Visually it's Amazing, fight I'd say Spectacular.
MSN 1 is Superior. 😁.....😐(I'll see myself out)
Wamp wamp lol
Theyre not gonna change the symbiote color post game. They never will cuz they care so much about "continuity", even tho like 90% of the suits you can free roam in aren't cannon. Its the same reason they didnt include peter parker free roam in any of the games.
I think the main reason is that Peter's face would be still and emotionless. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't care but it would seem incomplete, or unofficial. Maybe even lazy.
@@VonZuben that's true. Ig for me, I didn't even notice it was emotionless during the dlc of sm 2018 or during the side mission where you play as young peter in this game. That's just me tho.
@@elijahshewell1176 I think they did animate him talking in the maskless scenes in this game but I mean in the 1st game it would have been more apparent in Finishers or Photo mode to see his blank look.
Insomniac fanboys so mad it didn't win game of the year but you canr even replay missions 😂 not to mention still no new game plus and lack of things to do in the open world like
It sure is missing some pieces, and could have been better then it already is, but I feel like the dlc is where some of those gaps will be filled when it comes to the story
Boy I sure hope so.
50 plus minutes is crazy
Wasn’t enough according to some.
7:10 it's not the Chameleon. The Chameleon is in the game when you finish the bird drone chase activities.
It’s a very Chameleon thing to do which is why I bring it up. I know that, the footage of that is even in the review.
18:43 No thats not the truth. Thats your opinion. You should know that. Sorry. And I don't agree. Its a good idea. But yes I agree its not done as good as Doc Ock. This game has less emotion than the first
You read my mind completely.
What's the newest spider man game? This 1?
Yessir
But I’ll say it again this ain’t a spiderman problem this is a Sony sequel problem
P1SM PS4 marvel Spider-Man 2 December 24 Christmas for what
I didn't love P1SM
It’s ok. I don’t love myself either.
I will say this for me, the game is really good in terms of its story but at the same time each character choice every character makes either in a small side mission really irresponsible.
I love the idea of peter parker, letting go of his super hero mantle to his young partner miles morales an that is with context and continuity of both insomnic games .
I love the symbiote suit design in its second form, its base form insomniac's first black suit design is really gross.
You missed your chance for the Spidey-tastic ending of your video 😩. Something great? Nah, something SPECTACULAR
Considering the tagline for the games has been Be Greater I thought it was fitting.
The irony of you putting unhealthy amount of hours into the game but you don't even love it. Is suckingly funny.
I like to be thorough with my reviews and this game was very conflicting for me. Finding out why you're conflicted with something you desperately want to enjoy is tough sometimes, and phrasing it in a way that doesn't make you sound like you hate it is equally as tough.
Glazer alert
It's good to be ready for the "you barely played the game" crap fanboys would peddle in a pathetic attempt to defend their favorite game.
Wow, talk about making the blind see...sheesh.
huh?
What are you on about?
Don't forget that MJ is a self-insert and the game is full of gayness, rainbows and politics.
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@@P1SM How much specific do I need to be? 😂👎🏻
Web swinging is actually faster than the web wings they did a test and proved it lol so you wrong about that part 😂😂😂
Definitely doesn’t feel that way with the swing adjustment settings. So that might be a bit of discrepancy. Either way the amount of skill it takes to maintain momentum while swinging compared to wings is a massive difference.