A Critique of Marvel's Spider-Man 2: Good, but NOT a Masterpiece
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- An in depth critique of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (2023), developed by Insomniac Games. Spoilers for Spider-Man 2, as well as... 2021's Guardian's of the Galaxy?
0:00 Intro
0:46 Traversal
6:08 Combat
30:18 Suits
35:04 Story (Kraven)
42:05 Main Plot/Characters
1:06:44 MJ
1:16:13 Venom
1:25:29 Other complaints about the symbiote stuff
1:34:36 Story Finale
1:43:43 Side Content
2:01:37 Conclusion
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Sorry this took so long, but I really worked hard on this one. Hope it shows. There's plenty more I should have put in as well, but I either forgot about it or didn't have time to include. Like how I didn't mention that the Ubisoft cell towers were removed (thank god!). Or how Miles' invisibility power is completely irrelevant. But I had to release the video eventually, and I'm still proud of how it turned out.
But enough about me: what did YOU think about Spider-Man 2? Anything you majorly disagree with me on?
At the end of the day, it is your opinion but everytime I see a video like this, it's just like yall be saying the same thing everyone else says and it kinda shows
I love the game, but from the moment Peter fights with MJ, i think everything Falls apart, the story goes from "AYOOOOO BULLY YURI IS CRAZYYYYY" to "HOW DA FUCK AREN'T THE AVENGERS HERE" in such a fast time that makes me wanna die, cuz I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH
@@Turtle428 I know for a fact that you did not watch the video before commenting this
@DoritoGOD2811 No, I did, it's just the fact that you're saying some of the same things others content creators were saying. I can give you a list of them if you would like
@@Turtle428 You commented literally minutes after a 2 hour video went live, be serious here bruh
The symbiote gradually using and twisting May’s words to manipulate Peter is a fantastic idea, wow. Two grieving brothers falling victim to a false extension of their mother figures is a wonderful twist on the usual post-TAS “symbiote make me mad” thing. There’s so much nuance there for the picking!
It’s a shame that it’s only used for Harry and still ends with Harry not even having agency within the suit. Pain
Yeah, it reminds me of the Shadow of the Spider comics.
Yo that shit was a great idea 🔥 fucked up which is the point.
I think the arms wouldn't have been so bad if the story had at least made a token effort to explain them. Like, have Peter mention that he built the arms out of some leftover Octavius tech that the police hadn't confiscated. Have him bemoan that he tried to sell them, but no company wanted to touch it because of the tech's association with Otto. Even if it hadn't been an airtight explanation, it at least would've been something so that broke ass Peter Parker didn't just make some super-advanced robot arms out of nothing like it is in the game.
They did “ottos old research really came through for these arms”
@@Cat-Man369 That still doesn't explain where he got the resources to build them.
🤦♂️😒how many times are people not really paying attention Peter and Otto made the arms and after Otto when to the raft Peter decide to make his own arms but however not with the neural interface controlling his mind
@@trooper9249Note that Peter canonically made a gravity defying gadget with no advanced technology but Peter wouldn't get to have any of the resources from the lab because it'd be taking away evidence that would be used against Otto
@@Batmanvideos84789The neural link doesn't control the mind. It affects the mind in multiple parts of the brain that can severely change how a person acts such as affecting their moods, personality when it's only supposed to be an add-on to the part of your brain that allows you to move your limbs.
Giving Miles the symbiote is such a simple idea, but it has so much potential. The younger and less experienced Spider-Man, who's still angry about his father's death, and the older Spider-Man, who has gone through similar events and wants to help him, while Miles tries pushing him away would be such a fresh premise for a symbiote story.
True but then they’d have to unnerf Peter so he could beat miles but knowing this dev team miles would probably save himself and tell Peter he’s too white to be Spider-Man and that he should retire in the old age that is the prime of his life he’s in.
It's so odd to me how I keep seeing Miles hyped up to be some "Spider-man but better" when I was always under the impression that Miles had abilities the differed from the OG Spider-man.
I was once told that Miles had weaker Physical strength than Peter due to getting his powers from a different spider but had additional abilities to cover for this lack of physical prowess. Did I miss something in the comics with Miles because I always thought that Miles was supposed to be similar to Peter but still different enough to stand out as an individual.
if they did this fans would cry and moan about the game "demasculating" peter by not giving him the symbiote
@@jessec.6876 Massive doubt. Most Pete fans just want to see Peter be respected. He was not respected in this game.
@@godfrey4461 Lol he was respected perfectly fine in the game. Fans just get incredibly insecure whenever Miles gets some attention or god forbid he does something cooler or better than Peter.
Honestly I think everyone's faces look really weird in this game. Not necessarily the structure of the face, but the way it moves. Their mouths seem to open really wide, and its just really offputting.
Yeah I agree. I think Insomniac is simply not good at rendering realistic human faces.
Yeah agree
@@DoritoGOD2811This plus how good the Spider-Verse suits look makes the games had a stylized art style.
The only exception I'd say is Harry; like that looks like a guy you could see on the street
I really hope they work on the animation in the next game, it just looks so… strange
I'm really glad you touched on the whole MJ face situation. Of course it's awful her model was harassed over it, but that doesn't make her looking incredibly odd an invalid complaint. Especially when you look at pics of her model irl (even after the accident) who looks much better
I knew there was something off in her appearance but couldn’t quite place it. Something in her eyes made it seem like she was looking past Peter, but it could just be my perspective.
Shame the actress was harassed over it though. People should learn to keep nasty criticism locked up in the brain.
Yeah the modelers really did the model dirty, she's pretty and it's awful she got threats over a crappy model in a video game.
I feel like if harry peter n Mary Jane just had better models I woulda been able to take the game serious
Wait so the MJ model wasn't that Insomniac employee that looks almost exactly like her?
Really wish we got more web based abilities for Peter instead of the dumb iron arms. Also imagine a web shield parry like web of shadows?
Or cover his fists with web (web knuckles) for extra damage.
That may be because they knew that Silk would be in the next game. Her whole thing is that she has organic webbing (like bully maguire) so she's probably gonna have web based abilities. It just wouldn't make sense for 2 characters to have the same kind of abilities.
@@bydlakbolszewik847yes
@@bydlakbolszewik847 so butcher the MC of the franchise to make way for a tertiary character? The iron arms aren’t even integrated into the story or gameplay, it’s haphazard bs.
@@Enoo_ none of the gadgets were ever worked into the story ffs get over it
1:39:08 There's something that always confused me, why was Norman creating those spiders in the first game? Didn't he notice one was missing?
Truee
It also hinted that he was creating the symbiote, instead of just finding it?
@@kian2302 yeah... I remember that in the 2017 trailer there was a sign written "symbioses", in the grand central mission
He probably was trying to replicate Spider Mans powers because Peter has regenerative healing it would likely help Harry or aid in Devil’s breath.
Either that or its just Oscorp wanted to replicate Peters powers for military purposes
@@chandllerburse737That would have been a good explanation but it’s also just a theory. The problem is that they do not make any mention of it.
"A good thing can have bad aspects."
Completely agree. In this world, people either blatantly hate on something or call it the best thing of all time. Im glad you called it a good game while acknowledging flaws it had, even if I didn’t necessarily agree with all of them.
Bro he roasted the entire game with facts lmao. The game is ass he just said that so people wouldn’t get mad.
@@thegoodeboy2016nah deadass. wasted 600 dollars on this game
@@mrmelonman2893 holy man you spent how much on this game? how tf they finess you for all that?
@@abdulazizmohammed8797 hey probably bought a ps5 for the sole purpose of playing this . Then bought the collectors edition
Ps5- 300 to 500 dollars
Collectors edition - 100
Venom riding a bicycle makes this a 10/10 game of the year
Edit: I would like to retract my statement because I have just witnessed ,,that,, miles suit
That yee yee ass costume cost us the game awards 😑😑😑😑
I can’t stand insomniac Peter for the reasons you stated, thought I was going mad seeing everyone say he’s the best. Insomniac turned up the goody two shoes-ness to 11 with him. No backbone whatsoever, the kind of guy who’d apologise if he caught MJ cheating on him.
LMAO sad but accurate, I like how he's literally the only person who apologizes for his behavior with the symbiote when it's established that it's more of a parasitic creature that takes over your mind (at least that's what it seemed like, their conception of the symbiote was really incoherent).
Compare that with MJ whose words and actions are completely 100% validated when she becomes scream, despite the fact that its not even her whose consciously saying those things. She doesn't apologize at all for anything, she's 100% in the right all the time while Peter is constantly apologizing as he gets beat up, nice one-sided therapy session lol
I personally don’t really mind him being a goody two shoes, but when everyone around him is also a goody two shoes it becomes nauseating
@@marveldcmaaz Im pretty sure MJ tries to apologize but Peter says it's ok becuase it wasn't really her. It's one of the things we love about spiderman, that he is such a nice person. And Scream just brought out the hidden thoughtd of MJ just like the symbiote did to Peter during his boss battle with Miles.
Imo I personally love this version of Pete he’s not the best but one of the best again imo
@@malickdibba3552 no one said he shouldn't be a nice person. But, how "nice" can a person be while still feeling like a human being with a range of emotions and a limit, especially someone like peter, who has to deal with the shit he deals with on a day to day basis. It's just not buyable that this type of person would be THIS positive, then turn THAT cartoonishly negative with the symbiote
I feel like if Silk is in the next game, they will give her web-based attacks for her combat just like Peter in Shattered Dimensions
I had the same idea. Great minds think alike, I suppose.
What's webs going to do?
@@The-No-one If it were to me, I would keep the spider arms as his ultimate move (the Anti-Venom suit would be given to Flash so he can be Agent Anti-Venom), and then give him non-spider arm abilities.
@@harlannguyen4048 But the Anti Venom is bonded to Peter on a sub cellular level. It can't be removed
@@The-No-one The writers will find a way.
I thought I was over the Peter face change, but then I saw flashback high school Peter and realized I'm still in the "face your greatest fears"-hole
harry having “the depth of a single drop of water” is definitely a new insult 😂
Hrm, I don't mind the Spider-Arms in concept. My only issue with them is them is the fact they're nanotech that just materializes out of nowhere. If they came from the suit like how it works with the round bit on the back of the Iron Spider suit, I would like it more. But it feels like Insomniac didn't WANT to design their suit to accommodate the arms so they just said "Eh screw it, nanotech!"
I have the exact same problem with the web-wings. I LOVE Spider-Man designs with web-wings like the original design, and wish they were more common... But in this game they're a gameplay mechanic that only appears WHEN you're using them. I'd much rather they be a part of the actual main suit's design.
One must embrace web-pits 😌
The MCU did the same for Spider-Man's web wings and keep in mind, it's not far fetched that Peter can make nanotech since he canonically made a gravity defying gadget out of basic technology.
@@The-No-one The difference there is that Insomniac Peter doesn't have a superhero billionaire making all his suits for him.
@@tTaseric Yes but remember my last idea, it's not far fetched that he can't develop nano tech since he can literally make gravity defying gadgets out of scrap.
@@The-No-one The gravity gadget from the first game is an optional gadget, and is therefore not canon
This and Whitelight’s critiques of the game are my favourite I’ve watched. The graphical performance is stunning and I’ll spend many evenings swinging through the city in the Raimi suit with a big smile on my face, but the story left me infinitely more whelmed than I expected. Even with the new update, I’m not remotely eager to replay the main campaign in New Game +, which wasn’t an issue with the previous two games.
Man, if MJ can go Doom Eternal on entire bases and raiding parties of hunters and Symbiotes after just a few training sessions with Silver Sable and wielding just a glorified taser, imagine the kind of shit she could do after 24 hours of training with Shang Chi and a handgun. She'd be folding Goku like an omelette
I don't know why they didn't just have Silver Sable be the playable female character. Everyone would buy her running around kicking the crap out of anyone in her way. They seem obsessed with forcing Mary Jane into the game as an action hero instead of using any of the other female characters people would like to play as (Black Cat, Silver Sable, and Yuri)
@@coolman229 The other female characters aren't ass important to the story tho. Maybe they'll be playable in another game.
@@malickdibba3552 Silver Sable, Yuri, and Black Cat all have significantly more justification to be playable than Mary Jane. They had to break any sense of logic just to have MJ be Doom Guy just to force playable segments for her.
@@coolman229 they really don't. Again, they are not important to the story, MJ is. So they don't have justification to be playable since they are not one of the main characters in the story
@@coolman229silver Sable is fighting in a war, black cat maybe. And Yuri will probably have a playable mission in dlc
Your criticisms in the story were very accurate and they express things other TH-camrs I watched (such as Whitelight) didn't. Not because they weren't comprehensive, but because there is so much wrong with this story that it will feel wrong to different people in different ways. Such a shame when the 2018 story is so good. I enjoy watching videos like these because I have a particular taste in stories but not always I can identify why I liked or didn't like something. It requires analysis I'm not willing to do but you're excelling at. Thank you for the video! Subscribed.
Honestly they scrapped too much of the story that could have given proper character development to add in a bunch of side missions that were meant to "please" people
One of my biggest problems with the mechanical arms is you get no ultimate and the mechanical arms just feel weaker so when I was playing I was just waiting for symbiote powers and when fully upgraded miles just felt better to play than Peter from time to time
Usually when something is between good and bad people use the word "mediocre"
Love seeing love for the 2021 Guardians game
1:17:21 PS5 Venom: “That’s really dumb, but he’s so cool. But that’s really dumb! But he’s so cool!!!”
I don’t think the ending was implying that Peter was retiring as Spider-Man. I think they were conveying it more as taking a break. A kind of tag out mentality. Honestly I think Miles had the weaker conclusion to his story in the end because it didn’t connect to Miles(s) struggle in the rest of the game. Because for the entire story. Miles has been so eager to do Spider-Man stuff & find Mister Negative. So much so that he leaves nostalgic of his conversations with his friends by saying ‘I gotta do Spider-Man stuff’. Which o thought was Miles rushing into his role of Spider-Man too quickly. Like his lesson would be to not take the people in his life for granted. Because if being Spider-Man has taught Peter anything. It’s that his loved ones will eventually get wrapped up in the conflict as well. But at the end of the game. Miles(s) ultimate takeaway from this experience is. He needs to become Spider-Man full time. Which isn’t a bad idea conceptually. For Peter’s sake I think it works because after loosing two best friends to actions he was a part of. I get that he would want a rest of from the mental tole of being Spider-Man. But from Miles(s) perspective. It didn’t feel right at all.
The Miles actor in the mocap suit waiting for the directors signal, LoL :
1:25:22
Aaaaaand...
Action!! 🎬
My biggest criticism of the story is also that several things were rushed &/or underdeveloped. The game is as long as the first game however, it could've stood to be several hours longer to make sure they had a sufficient amount of time to properly flesh everything out. The first game was able to do that, so I don't see how this game couldn't, especially with Sony & Insomniac throwing even more money at it.
Yea especially with the symbiote invasion. I feel that needed a lot more attention put into it and thought the Scream boss would have set up other bosses with Venom’s children (which I hear did have almost finished models at least for riot). I also think Venom himself needed more exploration by giving him more missions, give us time to see what’s going on in Harry’s mind and explore the symbiote itself.
I used to always blame insomniac but I’ve started to realize it’s Sony rushing these games for the money.
i was there for those streams, and i agree majorly, i would take the first game over this one story wise. it feels so rushed and it all happens so haphazardly that i didn’t engage in it at all. when the important parts did happen they didn’t feel important or you knew it was gonna happen from the beginning and you can’t even take the ending seriously cause at the apex right before they go get the meteorite miles asks the deaf girl out for dinner. its impossible to believe this games story follows up the previous one.
Story for Spider-Man 2 story is amazing too but yeah the story for the first one is a bit better (the only thing that the first one got that's better). But better game overall is Spider-Man 2
I just can't help but feel like they sacrificed good story writing in an attempt to "please" everyone
@@stevenceja4706 I'm certain that this game's story needed to be two separate games, one about the Black Suit, then after game three, have that be when Venom appears and dedicate a game to that story
@slipstreamtechnician2811 Personally, I think there were 2 ways that the story could have been better. 1. They should have scrapped Kraven as a villain altogether and had him become more of an anti-hero hero instead. One reviewer pitched the idea of being able to play as Kraven and actually being able to hunt the other super villains rather than killing him off-screen, which I think was a great idea. Then he becomes a temporary ally during the symbiote invasion, then becomes a boss fight towards the end because he's trying to kill Venom while Peter and Miles are trying to save Harry. 2. Norman was secretly selling the breakthroughs from the EMF foundation to the highest bidder because helping people really isn't profitable. Harry finds out and is outraged, and then when the foundation is destroyed, Harry is hit with a double-edged sword because EMF wasn't actually real and he watches it go up in smoke. Which would add depth to him becoming Venom.
@@stevenceja4706 don't get me wrong. The story we got is good but definitely could have been better
This game may share the title of one of the best Spider-Man’s movies but it sure feels like Spider-Man 3
2:01:23 this happens in miles game too (ps4 in my case) The good thing is that you can choose the crime in the app, and not depend on it appearing randomly.
I figure that symbiote looks like tactical armor on Harry because of the SWAT looking Oscorp guys that were present with Doctor Connors when it arrived.
I CHALLENGE SOMEONE TO COUNT HOW MANY TIMES DORITO GOD SAYS "BRAINDEAD" IN THIS VIDEO
I wad thinking that. So far i count 3 im only 40 minutes in tho
Peter with the symboite was so undercooked…also should add a lot of elements that web of shadows has
you spend half the game as black suit spiderman so idk what you mean
*Sees video length*
Holy shit Dorito God The Movie
When you went into the story, this video really just kicked into a whole nother gear. This ripped.
I’m so glad you brought up Peter’s and Miles’ personality issues. Peter having a temper and having very clear flaws makes him INTERESTING. Of course he’d be frustrated and angry at the world sometimes with all the shit he has to deal with as Spider-Man, and having to constantly make the right decision when it hurts him in the end. It actively makes him less relatable, because nobody is a kissass goody two shoes. And Miles, Miles in ITSV works so well because he’s a good kid, but he’s also a rebel. He wants to do his own thing, he breaks the law with graffiti, he can be disrespectful, he acts like he’s grown but he’s still just a kid. Insomniac gives none of that depth to either of them
I think the game is hard carried by many 11/10 voice performances and immaculate casting, it's a shame the script, story, and execution don't match up to it.
I would have loved if they added a feature that if you went too fast you could slam into a building and take damage
Okay... I didn't comment on this yet cuz I was so worn out from repeatedly voicing my criticisms of this game's story (especially the symbiote storyline), that I figured I wouldn't be able to leave much of an insightful comment.... I still can't cuz I don't feel like writing another essay so this one's for the algorythm lol.
And to tell you that this honestly might be my favourite video made on this game so far. Right along with Whitelights. It's perfectly scripted and you make a ton of fantastic points that left me quite satisfied after having to endure the universal dickriding of the story for the initial month or two.
Just sucks that I don't own a PS5 so I haven't been able to say much about the gameplay yet. From what I've seen it does look like a significant improvement in many ways, but there's also a lot of missed opportunities.
I made an entire video on why the parkour sucks and how it needs to be improved, yet from what I've seen it remains essentially entirely unchanged
Thanks for the kind words man. Whitelight is a huge inspiration for me, so to hear my work in the same breath as his is an immense compliment. I'll watch that video of yours on the parkour since it sounds interesting.
@@DoritoGOD2811 Yeah his channel is incredible. There's some standout vids of his where I have no clue how he even wrote them.
You wouldn't expect something like that 3 hour Arkham City review to stay consistently witty and interesting throughout. He did a good job splitting up the gameplay discussions there in a way where it wouldn't be too frontloaded? Idk, certainly not every game review should be scripted that way, but it was very interesting. ANYWAY!
Glad that the comparision felt good lmao. Your video turned out wonderful, one could really tell cared to get this one the best it could be
I miss the days where games could just let you play and skip the BS. Trying to replay this game is infuriating because you’re forced to walk, clean Peter’s house, ride bikes, and play as regular people when you bought the game to be Spider-Man. Smh
I wish venom was making a messed up version of Harry’s dream and he was consciously working with venom instead of being a hostage to venom
I don’t know why more people don’t mention the Venom form at the end of the fight. Feels like something people would talk about
The story development of spider man 2 is one of the worst
My biggest problem with the Finale was that it made no sense for miles to be the final one to fight Venom. They literally had no chemistry and the game makes multiple points about his
What becomes unintentionally funny is the fact that some of the dialogue in that fight actually points out some of the flaws in the story.
Venom: You're holding Pete back!
It's true, Peter was nerfed just to give Miles something to do.
Venom: You were Jealous of us!
Miles: What are you talking about?
Seriously, what are you talking about about? You two barely speak to each other twice.
😂😂😂
9:51 wasn't me that suggested that, but I like the idea 😅 Great video!
Right now, the video is up for 55 minutes, can't even finish it yet, but it's already a GREAT rewiew!
58:53 yeah, stuff with Wraith should be Peter in the Black Suit being forced to confront who the Flame are and not wanting to kill Cletus because the Flame makes him a better Spider-Man.
I was wondering what you were going to do once your costume and skin videos were done but This is definitely your best video!!! I appreciate all of your hard work constructing this.
Maybe the arms materialising is based on Tinkerer's tech from Miles Morales? It actually could have been a neat way to tie both previous games into this one a bit more.
Holy shit man I'm a big fan of your stuff
But uh yeah, um whether or not the arms are based off Tinkerer's programmable matter from MM is never stated. At least not that I saw.
@@DoritoGOD2811 I liked the video. Keep it up.
Would've been better if the suit had a containment unit to show us from where they materialize.
45:07
How’d you get the like button to light up at the same time?
Automatic feature TH-cam has. I honestly didn't know that was there until like yesterday.
1:02:56 There's a (random?) chance that Harry will come to help you if you're fighting people as Miles. Very easily missable and I'm astonished that it wasn't an actual part of the main story.
1:13:52 although what happened to the face modeler for mj is terrible and I have nothing but sympathy for her I feel like if this information came out sooner there wouldn't be as many people saying that mj was turned ugly because insomniac was trying to push some "WOKE" agenda they still would have complained just not as much
Also MCU spider man is way more than a glorified side kick
Well, the story was handled by Sweet Baby, Inc., and they are the definition of woke.
@@harlannguyen4048 I don't know how that is
@@omoefeasiemo3601 Well, it's more accurate that they supervised the game's writing. And judging by their politics, they most likely were the ones responsible for steering the story into the way it is now.
@@harlannguyen4048 what is sweet baby inc
I could see a world in which this version of venom worked. I think if they leaned in harder on the "heal the world" aspect, showed more examples of the symbiotes healing properties, and really argued for a world where everyone had their own alien pal attached to them it could have been interesting. But its very clear from the second peter gets the symbiote that its entirely a bad thing. I think if they scrapped kraven, and made the whole game about the symbiote they could have fleshed it out to a point where you could at least understand where the villian is coming from. But thats just not possible when they just introduce Venom so late. He kinda has to be an evil goop monster at that point.
The wall crawling is super restrictive especially when you compare the wall crawling to web of shadows. Like we can’t walk around in any direction on the wall and cant wall run downwards and we can’t fight or have combat on walls either. If they had those wall climbing mechanics it would make us feel more like spider-man.
Btw im pretty sure the hunter archers/crossbowers are the ones that throw a electrical field/net in the air. Especially since they’re the ones who also shoot regular nets at spider-man too.
I am totally with you on the Spider Arms. Like...did he...finish Otto's work? Really? Cause that was supposed to change the world. That's why they were doing it. So....Peter finished the work, made it safe, reliable and functional...and kept it for himself!? Then even further developed the tech. And he still can't cover his f*cking rent or whatever? He just REALLY needs a job as a teacher, apparently. Some HERO then, eh? I guess the people who don't have arms just don't count as full humans that could use his help.
Peter, take a month, develop your super magical tech so that normal people can have good, reliable prosthetics. Then sell it. You are suddenly so rich you could sit at the same table as Tony Stark. And none of it would be dangerous, or even really weaponize-able, since Peter would be the one holding the patent anyways and he'd be the one controlling what aspect of the tech is even being made available. He doesn't HAVE to give people octo-spider-arms or whatever, just use what you've learned from developing your tech, and apply it to the "civilian" sector. It's literally how 90% of our technology came to be.
It's just...man...at this point. Peter is poor, because Peter wants to be poor.
The fact that the black suit is basically just another skin in the collection is a travesty. It practically does nothing in gameplay aside from "rage mode"
one thing i’m hopeful of in years to come would be a remaster of this game, but they explore more of the story and add some extra content, would be amazing tbh
They should've just made Peter the main playable character especially since they're adapting the black suit spider man storyline which requires Peter to be the main focus. Honestly im getting sick of venom why didn't they go for carnage being the main villain.
Because carnage is the son of venom…
And also The amazing spider man 2 game did do carnage without venom and it was terrible.
Also carnage isn’t as liked he is just a straight evil murderous villain Venom is usually more complex at least with Eddie
I disagree with your assessment of Carnage. Carnage represents real life monsters who kill people for no reason other than they think it’s fun. This aspect makes him terrifying and intriguing as a villain.
I think they should have kept the old gadgets but add the ability to create loadouts so you don't have to use the weapon wheel. Man I miss the web trip mine
I smiled at the Wraith part because right when I was thinking in my head "this costume looks like it came out of the CW superhero shows" you referenced the arrowverse
Its crazy how I literally finished Guardians of the galaxy yesterday and got recommended your video today. GOTG is amazing! I found you connecting the Promise with the ‘healing the world’ thing really cool.
14:27 I think another way to go about giving Peter more traditional abilities would be to essentially just give him his super moves from Marvel vs Capcom. The ability on square could be Crawler Assault, the one on triangle Maximum Spider, and the one on X be Ultimate Web Throw, and keep the Web Blossom for O.
Parry system can feel satisfying but it does feel iffy. And my biggest issue is that that the indicators for parry-only and dodge-only attack appears above the enemy, when the regular spider sense doesnt. And if im not wrong, i think it also uses regular spider sense on spiderman in addition to special indicators for the special attacks. Like i think maybe they should've all only been shown on spiderman or all on the enemies
bro wtf this video is so engaging like your so underrated keep up the good work man
I do like then game but I didn’t like that there was NO new new game+ (sorry, didn’t type that earlier) , no ways to adjust the color of the spider arms to fit the suit and ways to change the symbiote colors from either white to black. You can’t even change the parries to fit what skill set ur using, whether you’re using black/white symbiote, non evolved/evolved venom, or spider arms
simple Kraven should've been Venom. and I find it funny how the first game was more mature than this one, when the venom storyline should be the one that is more mature, tackling emotions, addictions, and abuse. oh well like I always thought this game is more for young dumb kids than growing teens and adults. and plays like an interactive movie; you just can't fail.
I hate that the story was obviously rushed because there are elements that could have made a great story but the story is pretty bad with those few great ideas that had no time to do anything.
Change u pic back to Spiderman 2 😂
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Schizo Spider-Man is my favorite bug though. "That fight was years ago Peter..."
a short slingshot on the ground, to keep combos going would fit well for spidermans triangle ability
Especially if they somehow involve a web parachute or the wings in a way that keeps that wind tunnel effect
I love it when I give new channels a chance to critique stuff Ive enjoyed and they do a good job. Great video man
The aerial abilities are really useful when paired with the web pits. And I found the jump one to be great with tricks so you can recharge them faster. Since you can get an upgrade that ties their charge rate to your tricks
This is actually a video I agree with. Like I cant really argue with a lot of your points . You’re very articulate with explaining the game and made me think several times about plot holes i didnt think about
For those who haven't tried it, if you feel so inclined, play this game (and the other two in the series) on the highest possible difficulty. I didn't quite get into the fighting (and thus the whole experience) in the first game because it felt a bit like a tired button masher, but upon recommendation I increased the difficulty to the highest setting and it completely revolutionised how I approached combat.
I’m not huge into the comics, but the life foundation make great bosses for a video game.
Imagine being able to hunt them down as optional bosses to upgrade your black suit, like it’s mega man.
Imo i liked the idea about peter having no spider legs up untill he left without symbiot. And keep him without abilities untill symbiot.
It could be a great opportunity to put miles in more story missions as a main playable character in the first act of story (obviously cause gameplay as Peter would be boring)
I don't love stealth but I love optional stealth in games. I was really disappointed with the stealth in this game
This game is nothing but a huge disappointment and you know it’s bad when they couldn’t even change the moveset for Peter and miles for them to feel different or give the black suit its own moveset instead of 4 limited moves which all the abilities were reused from WOS and Shattered dimensions honestly the more I think about this game the more wasted it was even the story was super trash and they managed to somehow screw up when they had perfect ideas but wasted them
I definitely agree with the symbiote suit not having it's own moveset. Giving him the Anti-venom suit also defeats the point of the the symbiote story. All the advantage of the symbiote without the negative aspects.
This comment is dumb
@@Batmanvideos84789 sorry to hurt you’re feelings but the game is mid nothing but a cheap Arkham copy with ratchet and clank gadgets and a shitty AI generated story
Doesn't help that I never play Arkham and I never will play it.
Dunno why, probably because I'm a bigger fan of Spider-Man than with Batman. I respect your opinion, though!
@@DeterminedTorres suit yourself and I like spiderman way more than batman but Arkham games are way better than the spiderman insomniac games and it’s even worse how Arkham knight the worst Arkham game does elements way better than spiderman 2 is crazy also my guess is you don’t wanna play it cause you know it’s better than spiderman and you will realise how obsolete insomniacs spiderman combat system is
Yeah he spent years building the doc oc arms to *help ppl who need prosthesis*, he apparently does create them, not only that but he’s apparently also perfected….nano-tech?? And he just sits on it….fuck them patients lolol
the electric web comes from the robot dogs and the hunters with basucas, and it comes from the tec from electros vest you can find it in the level with mj in the zoo where peter gets the black suit
Thank you for the in depth critique, I was on the fence about this game but this review made me reconsider. Most reviews don't explain the important details, keep up the good work. Amazing video!
I love this video man! Gave a unique perspective despite I myself having already watched many videos about the game from different creators which I really cannot say for a lot of youtubers. Keep it up !
The shield enemies are the ones who throw the electric field.
As for the story I largely share your sentiment. The opening was strong though which made the rest disappointing. As for Kraven I would've liked to see him *hunt* not have his soldiers do the heavy lifting. Taskmaster in the first game felt like a hunter since he would observe then trap spidey to confront him. I wanted that dialed up to 11.
I was attached to Octavius industries and Otto. I felt nothing for the EMF when it was destroyed by the hunters.
Edit: I thought I was the only one that thought Yuri's Wraite suit looks like a something out of CW arrow verse.
For me this game is around 6.5-7/10.
The stroy is amazing that's why it's nominated for best narrative. The first 2 acts were amazing but the third act was rushed so it could have been an addition 5 hours longer. Kraven was great, Insomiac's take on Kraven is the best Kraven we got in any media. He was way better then Venom in that one.
@@Shahriyararin63 Are you going to show up in every comment section critiquing the game and regurgitate the same "the story amazing that's why it was nominated for game of the year or best narrative" crap? I seriously didn't even need to read your comment to know what you're going to say.
The game walked away with nothing it wasn't even second. The story was amazing for *you* others are not move on 🙄.
@@baki484 Whether or not if you're going to read my comment, doesn't matter, just because any form of media is nominated but didn't win any awards doesn't make them bad. Like Horizon games are both nominated but didn't win any awards but they are still amazing nonetheless. Same case here. Marvel's Spider Man 2 story is amazing. Majority loved the story, it's only the third act was rushed. Just like God of War Ragnarok but that's nothing short of amazing.
@@Shahriyararin63 And he continues to regurgitate the same thing. You're like a mosquitoe at this point. If the game was so great you wouldn't be running around telling people it was nominated for game of the year 🤣. Fanboys wouldn't be bitching about people "switching up on the game" after the game awards or at the face of criticism from fellow Spiderman fans even going so far as sh*tting on the older games that still did things better now would they? You guys even eat each other.
Don't get me started on how pathetic this fanbase got when all 7 awards were taken by other games and how they got mad at BG3 (a game I'm not into) for being the better game that had devs telling gamers that they shouldn't expect it's level of quality. If it's your game of the year that's fine good on you.
It wasn't for me and those critiquing the aspects you're praising now move along the game is good but it's a safe sequel that falls short in some areas when looked at from an objective lense.
@@baki484 because the game is amazing plus it only didnt win any awards because of how much of a crowded marketplace 2023 is. If it was less crowded then Spider Man 2 could have gotten awards in some capacity. I don't have an exact GOTY, if it wins I wouldn't mind if not then that's also fine.
It's still a sequel better than the original. Marvel's Spider Man 2 is a better game overall and the story is amazing. Although I will say this, the story for the first one is a bit better (the only thing that the first one got that's better).
This video presents a lot of valid criticisms-a chunk of them I share as well. The two points that jumped out at me the most were Peter’s relationships with Harry and Miles.
I think Peter and Harry’s friendship was solid. My gripe comes from the Venom storyline seemingly presenting/concluding their “conflict.” Harry being secretly jealous of Peter doesn’t work when the game has to properly introduce Harry to the players. If they saved Venom for a third game, I think that would’ve helped their friendship develop more.
As for Miles, their relationship always felt like a big brother-little brother with a significant age gap between them. It’s something I can personally relate to since my brother and I have a similar gap in age. They’re in two distinct phases in their lives so it’s hard to relate naturally to one another.
What brings them together is their similarities in values and being Spider-Man. They feel like coworkers at times because in a lot of ways they are lol. They’re both Spider-Man and have to share the city together. One is more preferred to the other in certain situations therefore they have to respect each other’s boundaries. The game keeps them apart due to the narrative structure, but Miles reminds me of a little brother who just wants to hang out with his bro while his bro is out with his friends lol.
I also hate spider arms. They literally have no logic and leave Peter's addiction to symbiosis having much less impact on the player, If we didn't have the spider arms, when we gained the symbiote powers, we would feel all that strength and power that Peter feels
You can use the combo of web grabber and ricochet web, it is strong as web blossom suit power in the 2018 game.
They should have gone all out with the game and effectively made two storylines to follow. One play through is Peter and the other is Miles. And there should have been more overlap, where Peter and Miles would intrude on each others stories either to help each other with their hero work, or with questions on what they should do as they are the only guys who can fully understand what the other is going through. Miles would be a more optimistic but less experienced, Peter would be more wise but more frustrated as he's been through a lot.
Also, neither should be IDIOT PLOTS. Wherein the solution to all of their problems are talking it out with facts
To add on to this, they should have had Venom be dealt with much earlier in the game, have Harry survive but live with the guilt of having tried to kill his best friend as well as killing probably a lot of other people. Kraven should not have been ill, he shpuld have just been a mad hunter trying to hunt the most exotic and dangerous game. Furthermore, Osborne should have been a reason that Kraven even came there, because the Spiders should have ruined an experiment that was doomed to fail in a catastrophic way that Osborne didn't know about. Thus leading him to hire bounty hunters in a more private way, compared to him hiring the Silver Sable in the last game. Also, he should be in way hotter water since he hired a mercenary group which occupied New York City!
They did go all out. It's literally bigger/longer than the first game
@@frogglen6350 This is not longer than the first game. If we are excluding DLC
This is a really good breakdown of the game, youve managed to articulate my thoughts really well
Thank you, my issue with the hunt Kraven is doing is that it makes no sense. He is doing everything in his power to have the advantage in the encounter when he should just pull up and fight whoever instead of capturing them with a small army, studying them, and making stuff to counter them.His goal is to die against a worthy opponent and he does everything to not have a fair fight.
HEY MAN I WAS SAD WHEN SHOCKER DIED
In the proposed interaction with shocker and siderman before kraven kills him is such a GOOD idea, itd make more people care about Herman especially because hes treated like a joke
This game was severely missing some heart in its interactions with villains, and the way they all got killed off screen? Lame 😒
I think the symbiote should lack responsibility. While Eddie Brock has a twisted sense of responsibility and morals.
That way there’s contrast between the two.
47:46 again, if Harry had found out through the Flame that Norman had other symbiotes…
42:54 again, not sure if it’s mentioned later, but Harry should be in a state of arrested development. He should still be mentally a bit of a teen and in dire need of help separate from his dad. A thing Peter ignores because he wants to ignore his grief from losing Aunt May.
Would make a rivalry over Peter between him and Miles makes sense, and thus set up a Spider-Man for Venom to hate. And a reason to be mad at MJ for investigating all the problems with the symbiotes and or the Flame.
I didn't know Stephanie was in a car crash. Seems like a serious enough reason to keep quiet but I can't help but feel that if this was made clear or apparent then the hate and videos made over MJ's face would've been less severe. Seems like a damned if you do / damned if you don't scenario.
I got a hot take if the story doesn’t involve the multiverse than miles as a main/co-lead character doesn’t work. Majority of the iconic Spider-Man stories involve Peter but if the developers want to put miles in a central Peter Parker focused story than they got to moves things around the story to make sense which then makes the story not as good as the source material or he’s barley in the story 🫤 The only story that’s good for both miles and Peter is the introduction of miles or when he becomes Spider-Man with Peter. After that…just having them both around and trying to pick a story which will probably be a Peter Parker story then we’re right back to square one with miles involvement in the story🤷♂️ *Side Note this is just my preference but when miles is in any story with Peter I feel like the writers dumb down Peter to make miles cool or important.
I can't help but feel like this game's story would've worked better if it was two different games, the first focused on Kraven and the Black Suit, which ends with Miles fighting Peter as the final boss as the Symbiote is taking over and saving Kraven (Or maybe something earlier in the game could make it so you choose which Spidey gets the Symbiote). The second game would be later on (Maybe save the story for a couple games from now), and have it be about Peter and Miles teaming up to fight Venom. It just feels so weird to me how fast this game runs through the story of the Black Suit and Venom that it feels like it was only a few days that Pete has the suit
TH-camrs like you are great cuz you lay out a lot of the critiques I have way better than I could. Agree with all your points and ones I didn’t think of.
15:15 a quick forward slingshot? i mean slingshotting was introduced in this game, having it incorporated in his fighting moveset wouldve been neat
personally I didn’t hate this game. It was great experience and realky felt great in my eyes, but i still kinda get what you mean in some points but not other points. I personally love the story and how it played it. I liked harry and I didn’t mind how the story turned out..
A lot of these comments are fake Spider-Man fans and it shows. Great video, enjoyed listening for the full 2 hours, even if I didn’t agree with some of the minor points you made, 1 point i can agree with you on is that the story/narrative sucks big time whereas the gameplay is the games shining point.
You've perfectly articulated my issues with venom specifically. Nothing about him feels venom. It pains me seeing people say this is one of the best interpretations of the character, the sheer amount of insomniac fanboys defending this story is actually blasphemous. If the jump from SM2 to SM3 is similar to 1 to 2, I'm not that interested in a 3rd game tbh
The soundtrack for Sonic Unleashed is so legendary that I hear it constantly in so many videos 😂 loved to hear it here as well!
Great video. I felt super underwhelmed about the story and I couldn’t quite explain why. You did an amazing job clearing it all up for me lol it’s too bad insomniac didn’t place more priority on the campaign quality.
Bro using that sonic colours soundtrack making me nostalgic 😢