I honestly think its nasty how gens can fly by so fast just because you dont have enough gen regression. They should honestly nerf all gen regression and make gens at base a lot slower, that way you would see a more varied builds on killers
That would be nice, but it would be a very big change that would feel bad for survivors (even if it wasn't actually that bad) so I'm not expecting to see it.
Yeah you pretty much have to run at least one gen perk. I usually run two, and still I frequently get gen rushed and I'm forced to start camping hooks or tunneling out survivors just to have a chance.
I see where you're coming from, but considering what makes playing survivor "fun" is not sitting still hitting skill checks for a lot of players, I don't think that's the right move. It's a game. People play it to have fun, if changes are made that make the game feel less fun, it's not a good change. It's a bandaid for killers, a slap in the face for survivors, especially if nerfed gen regression actually stays relevant due to the increased time spent on gens, meaning more value out of regression, nerfed or otherwise.
@@goldeagle7106 You might be on the right track, honestly, the problem though is that at high MMR survivors know to basically never do a 2 person heal because it's so inefficient compared to just doing gens and eventually a 3 person full reset, which causes "gen rushing" and if heals were even slower that would just compound the problem. If there was some penalty for doing gens injured, that could change, but once again it's important that you don't rob either side of having fun in the name of balance.
You’re the first person I’ve seen comment on the DMS changes and I agree with you. Lots of killer perks got buffed this patch. Probably just gonna nerf pig lol.
Haha poor Amanda. And yes, while making this video I did a lot of searching and I haven't seen a single person even mention it, it's completely under the radar but it's such a huge change.
I'm surprised not many people realized this, I saw it as a buff since they released the PTB notes. Considering most matches are soloq, they won't be coordinated to counter it... people may get better at playing around DMS in the future, but for the moment it's really strong right now.
I think an even better user of new DMS is Dredge with the addon that opens lockers near survivors when you teleport. You can usually proc the full 50s by teleporting away from hook for BBQ / Friends til the End and startling someone else off their gen (especially if bedtime is active)
Damn I didn't even know DMS only activated once a survivor lets go now, that's way more valuable than the additional time. You did a really good showing of its strength alone, well done!
Bbq, DMS, Pain res on freddy with class photo is my new meme build. Nobody can ever do gens without risking getting getting kicked off immediately or getting teleported to
Try thrilling tremors instead of BBQ, it might give you more accurate info. I'm not sure if it'll be better but it's worth experimenting with. A good chase perk like rapid brutality would make a great final perk too.
@@TheScreamMachine Yea I use rapid on him. It's not necessarily part of the build's functionality so I didn't mention it since it could be swapped for something else.
I ran this with level 1 on billy and it stopped 90%+ gens twice resulting in at least a down before they popped it. This is a huge buff that procs at least 3+ times for 50 seconds!
Thanks man! That perk is so much fun on Hill Billy or pick the map mobility killer of your choice. 50 seconds of slow down every 50 seconds or so on the gen of your choice. Unless the survivors adjust. Hilarious!
Wait does pain res not work with dms anymore? I'd figure it'd be a HUGE buff to the combo as pain res only applies to one gen thats usually being worked on anyway. Knock off a flat 20% and immediately tell anyone on it to pound sand for the next 50 seconds seems pretty decent. Especially if you saved your tokens for late game.
It still does work, don't worry. Just be aware that with DMS lasting 50 seconds now there will be more scenarios where the gen with the most progress is blocked by DMS and you'll want to save a pain res stack for when it's unblocked.
I still disagree because I had a match against people and they made this mostly irrelevant. In the team this perk is horrible especially if you don't kill anyone. Not with a lot of progress. Let go then just go somewhere else or finish healing. This will be easy to counter for the most common players. Heck they'll know you'll have it every one of the natural.
I use a track from X-COM: UFO Defense, one of my favorite games. There's a mod for it called "Openxcom" that makes it playable on modern computers with some nice upgrades too.
Dms rocks with Freddy and pain res, i realized i didnt need deadlock anymore so its either devour hope or hex ruin. Since Freddy likes his chase of course .
Haha I was actually a bit afraid of the perk getting nerfed because of this video, but my viewership is much smaller than any of the big content creators so I'm sure this video will fly under the radar.
Its a strong perk now, not op. The previous combo is obviously nerfed. Dms grim blocked all gens for like 20-30secs? Thats the problematic op category, way stronger than this 50sec block. This way is more fair, others can repair gens. You can counter it like you mentioned, tap a non progresed gen and leave it. But togethet with painres you can get a 50sec block on the most progressed gen, thats really good. But i think its Okay still. Like we all already know how to dodge painres,then someone with the least progress should leave the gen. It will be an extra,but survs can adapt i think.
Don't forget that old dms/grim will only block every gen that's currently being worked on for 30 seconds as opposed to all gens, and only works 4 times, so while there are scenarios where you get crazy value with the old combo, it's much less likely against good teams. That being said, I'm hoping you're right and survivors just adapt to new DMS.
Its better on the end game now , but in early is not that good , but i think thats a good buff bcs now it can work on more killer instead of just artist etc.
As an artist main the new rework is kinda of a nerf but i still like DMS and i hope it will not get nerfed again since gen regression sucks gen blocking is our only solution
Oh, Artist is an excellent killer for taking advantage of the old DMS, I completely see what you mean. She's one of the few killers I never play so I didn't even think of her. New DMS is definitely weaker on her but she should still be good at using it.
I think that method of thinking is flawed. If you're speaking purely of DMS + grim then yes, it's a nerf in scenarios where survivors are getting pushed off of multiple gens, but not only was this change designed specifically to nerf that scenario, that combo will only work 4 times per match and can still be played around by good survivors (as they'll know you have grim after the first hook and can see when you're about to hook a survivor and will know to get off the generator in time to stop the combo). Without grim embrace, if you're playing a highly mobile killer who can consistently find and push survivors off of multiple generators at once you MIGHT be able to get more value from old DMS but any killer high tier enough to pull that off (like blight or nurse) is already strong enough to not need DMS at all, and even then I'd still argue that new DMS is far stronger for them. Also, it's very silly to try and frame blocking a generator for 50 whole seconds as being a bad thing for the killer. Remember, hooking a survivor while old DMS was active did NOT reset the timer.
@@TheScreamMachine You're right. Even with really mobile characters, by the time you'd push multiple (good) survivors off, the DMS timer was pretty low and the gens wouldn't get blocked for long.
Correct, whatever progress they were at when blocked will remain, so if they were kicked at 50% they'll still be kicked at 50% once it unblocks, at which point it will continue to regress. That also counts for perks like surge and pain res, the gen will not regress from them while blocked.
@@TheScreamMachine So, if i hook a survivor and pain res consumes a stack to regress a blocked gen, I basically ate a stack for nothing? or will the pain res take the gen with the second most progress?
@@MiserableMuon Honestly, I'm not sure. I would assume it would hit the gen with the next most progress, or perhaps not hit any gen at all, but I need to sit down and do some testing to find out.
You expect DMS to block gens before it's active? I had no other slowdown perks, losing 2 gens during the first chase is very normal for low tier killers at high MMR.
@@TheScreamMachine "Let me know in the comments below if you think DMS needs a Nerf or if you think it's in a good place" I'm letting you know that your video proves that the perk is actually as it should be. Because the current meta in which survs easily start 2 generators in one chase is absurd, so I don't like your main idea in the video that this perk turns out to be “too strong and why no one is talking about it” because it's not, but now those who will repeat like a parrot after you will go to place like sub reddit DBD and start write to DEVS "omg dms strong nerf nerf nerf faster"
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I honestly think its nasty how gens can fly by so fast just because you dont have enough gen regression. They should honestly nerf all gen regression and make gens at base a lot slower, that way you would see a more varied builds on killers
That would be nice, but it would be a very big change that would feel bad for survivors (even if it wasn't actually that bad) so I'm not expecting to see it.
Yeah you pretty much have to run at least one gen perk. I usually run two, and still I frequently get gen rushed and I'm forced to start camping hooks or tunneling out survivors just to have a chance.
I see where you're coming from, but considering what makes playing survivor "fun" is not sitting still hitting skill checks for a lot of players, I don't think that's the right move. It's a game. People play it to have fun, if changes are made that make the game feel less fun, it's not a good change. It's a bandaid for killers, a slap in the face for survivors, especially if nerfed gen regression actually stays relevant due to the increased time spent on gens, meaning more value out of regression, nerfed or otherwise.
Na what they should do is make base healing take a bit longer, if they organised they undo all my pressure too quickly and right back to gens
@@goldeagle7106 You might be on the right track, honestly, the problem though is that at high MMR survivors know to basically never do a 2 person heal because it's so inefficient compared to just doing gens and eventually a 3 person full reset, which causes "gen rushing" and if heals were even slower that would just compound the problem. If there was some penalty for doing gens injured, that could change, but once again it's important that you don't rob either side of having fun in the name of balance.
You’re the first person I’ve seen comment on the DMS changes and I agree with you. Lots of killer perks got buffed this patch. Probably just gonna nerf pig lol.
Haha poor Amanda. And yes, while making this video I did a lot of searching and I haven't seen a single person even mention it, it's completely under the radar but it's such a huge change.
I'm surprised not many people realized this, I saw it as a buff since they released the PTB notes. Considering most matches are soloq, they won't be coordinated to counter it... people may get better at playing around DMS in the future, but for the moment it's really strong right now.
I think an even better user of new DMS is Dredge with the addon that opens lockers near survivors when you teleport. You can usually proc the full 50s by teleporting away from hook for BBQ / Friends til the End and startling someone else off their gen (especially if bedtime is active)
That's a solid idea. I've been tossing around a Dredge build with it but if I do I want to make it something a bit spicy.
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They should have had insurance!
Damn I didn't even know DMS only activated once a survivor lets go now, that's way more valuable than the additional time. You did a really good showing of its strength alone, well done!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
great video, hope your channel can grow more and more! loved the explanatory gameplay!!
Thank you!
In-depth looks at game mechanics and perks like this is my *shit*, I love it. Excellent video :)
Thank you very much!
Bbq, DMS, Pain res on freddy with class photo is my new meme build. Nobody can ever do gens without risking getting getting kicked off immediately or getting teleported to
Try thrilling tremors instead of BBQ, it might give you more accurate info. I'm not sure if it'll be better but it's worth experimenting with. A good chase perk like rapid brutality would make a great final perk too.
@@TheScreamMachine Yea I use rapid on him. It's not necessarily part of the build's functionality so I didn't mention it since it could be swapped for something else.
I ran this with level 1 on billy and it stopped 90%+ gens twice resulting in at least a down before they popped it. This is a huge buff that procs at least 3+ times for 50 seconds!
Yeah, it's become an incredibly strong perk. Thanks for watching the video!
Very good edit and details . Looking forward to the next video
Thank you!
DMS on Artist just got even more busted lol.
Thanks man! That perk is so much fun on Hill Billy or pick the map mobility killer of your choice. 50 seconds of slow down every 50 seconds or so on the gen of your choice. Unless the survivors adjust. Hilarious!
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Really good video, i'm going to try some dms builds myself now!
@@lightningblood Thank you!
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Wait does pain res not work with dms anymore? I'd figure it'd be a HUGE buff to the combo as pain res only applies to one gen thats usually being worked on anyway. Knock off a flat 20% and immediately tell anyone on it to pound sand for the next 50 seconds seems pretty decent. Especially if you saved your tokens for late game.
It still does work, don't worry. Just be aware that with DMS lasting 50 seconds now there will be more scenarios where the gen with the most progress is blocked by DMS and you'll want to save a pain res stack for when it's unblocked.
I still disagree because I had a match against people and they made this mostly irrelevant.
In the team this perk is horrible especially if you don't kill anyone. Not with a lot of progress. Let go then just go somewhere else or finish healing. This will be easy to counter for the most common players.
Heck they'll know you'll have it every one of the natural.
Yeah I noticed as well that the team gave him too many freebies when they could have just pre dropped most of these and just won game
small question but what background ambient music do you use through your explanation in the video? It's very cool
I use a track from X-COM: UFO Defense, one of my favorite games. There's a mod for it called "Openxcom" that makes it playable on modern computers with some nice upgrades too.
Ur channel deserve more attention
Hope you play some more doctor
Keep up the great work
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You have such a nice voice! I would love to hear a horror tale narrated by you!!
Haha, thank you!
Dms rocks with Freddy and pain res, i realized i didnt need deadlock anymore so its either devour hope or hex ruin. Since Freddy likes his chase of course .
Oh man. Good catch!
How dare reveal this godly perk lol
Haha I was actually a bit afraid of the perk getting nerfed because of this video, but my viewership is much smaller than any of the big content creators so I'm sure this video will fly under the radar.
Its a strong perk now, not op. The previous combo is obviously nerfed. Dms grim blocked all gens for like 20-30secs? Thats the problematic op category, way stronger than this 50sec block. This way is more fair, others can repair gens. You can counter it like you mentioned, tap a non progresed gen and leave it. But togethet with painres you can get a 50sec block on the most progressed gen, thats really good. But i think its Okay still. Like we all already know how to dodge painres,then someone with the least progress should leave the gen. It will be an extra,but survs can adapt i think.
Don't forget that old dms/grim will only block every gen that's currently being worked on for 30 seconds as opposed to all gens, and only works 4 times, so while there are scenarios where you get crazy value with the old combo, it's much less likely against good teams. That being said, I'm hoping you're right and survivors just adapt to new DMS.
No its just got buffed in end game and nerfed in early
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Thank you, I appreciate it.
DMS is more fair now than any past iterations. Unfortunately, if only SoloQ survivors were competent enough to know how to counter it.
Ironically behavior tried to nerf this perk but it’s way better now
I think the wording is wrong. They didn't buffed DMS, they fixed it and now it's worth using it.
Its better on the end game now , but in early is not that good , but i think thats a good buff bcs now it can work on more killer instead of just artist etc.
Good vid mate
Thank you!
As an artist main the new rework is kinda of a nerf but i still like DMS and i hope it will not get nerfed again since gen regression sucks gen blocking is our only solution
Oh, Artist is an excellent killer for taking advantage of the old DMS, I completely see what you mean. She's one of the few killers I never play so I didn't even think of her. New DMS is definitely weaker on her but she should still be good at using it.
2:00 did they mention that because I can't remember that at all
More of a nerf for the combo of dms and grim . Buff for lower tier killers that take 50+ seconds between hooks i suppose
I think that method of thinking is flawed. If you're speaking purely of DMS + grim then yes, it's a nerf in scenarios where survivors are getting pushed off of multiple gens, but not only was this change designed specifically to nerf that scenario, that combo will only work 4 times per match and can still be played around by good survivors (as they'll know you have grim after the first hook and can see when you're about to hook a survivor and will know to get off the generator in time to stop the combo).
Without grim embrace, if you're playing a highly mobile killer who can consistently find and push survivors off of multiple generators at once you MIGHT be able to get more value from old DMS but any killer high tier enough to pull that off (like blight or nurse) is already strong enough to not need DMS at all, and even then I'd still argue that new DMS is far stronger for them.
Also, it's very silly to try and frame blocking a generator for 50 whole seconds as being a bad thing for the killer. Remember, hooking a survivor while old DMS was active did NOT reset the timer.
@@TheScreamMachine You're right. Even with really mobile characters, by the time you'd push multiple (good) survivors off, the DMS timer was pretty low and the gens wouldn't get blocked for long.
Shadow buff!
No man its helping the other side they can just take you away and cant kick or damage the gen
If I'm understanding you, that's not true at all. If pop blocked a generator for 50 seconds instead of damaging it, it would be a much stronger perk!
Blocked gens cant regress right?
Correct, whatever progress they were at when blocked will remain, so if they were kicked at 50% they'll still be kicked at 50% once it unblocks, at which point it will continue to regress. That also counts for perks like surge and pain res, the gen will not regress from them while blocked.
@@TheScreamMachine So, if i hook a survivor and pain res consumes a stack to regress a blocked gen, I basically ate a stack for nothing? or will the pain res take the gen with the second most progress?
@@MiserableMuon Honestly, I'm not sure. I would assume it would hit the gen with the next most progress, or perhaps not hit any gen at all, but I need to sit down and do some testing to find out.
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No one missed this? what u even on about everyones using it
Dude you lose 2 gens in 1 chase TELL ME ABOUT BALANCE PLS AND HOW UNFAIR DMS IS
You expect DMS to block gens before it's active? I had no other slowdown perks, losing 2 gens during the first chase is very normal for low tier killers at high MMR.
@@TheScreamMachine "Let me know in the comments below if you think DMS needs a Nerf or if you think it's in a good place"
I'm letting you know that your video proves that the perk is actually as it should be.
Because the current meta in which survs easily start 2 generators in one chase is absurd, so I don't like your main idea in the video that this perk turns out to be “too strong and why no one is talking about it” because it's not, but now those who will repeat like a parrot after you will go to place like sub reddit DBD and start write to DEVS "omg dms strong nerf nerf nerf faster"