One other point for the Sadako chapter that didn't get mentioned, that I think made it pretty unique, was the fact that 7 days after you got the DLC, you got that special intro
@@kor8rok The first time I got the special intro was around the time a new killer was about to be announced, maybe it was Chucky, and because I was mashing the keys to skip to the menu as fast as possible, I was convinced the TV static was a teaser for the next killer. Oh well, it wasn't, but I still loved finding the special intro so many months after the release of Sadako.
I click on videos you upload thinking "This could be a nice 20 minute or so video to listen to" then I look at the time and its 3 hours! I am still not used to the detail you put into videos, but its awesome!
Yk which one was such a vibe for me was nemesis resident evil chapter, it was summer, the anniversary was coming up I was in very good health and my life was just amazing at the time and I think resident evil has clearly had a MASSIVE impact on dbd and they seem like they truly enjoy having there license in the game
Couldn't agree more. Both the first Resident Evil and Silent Hill chapter were revolutionary for the game and brought in a massive amount of new players. I'm also pretty nostalgic for both as playing during the release of those chapters with my best friend during the summer are some of the fondest memories I have from that time
I got into dbd because of resident evil! My boyfriend begged me for years and years to just try it and I wouldn’t, then we played re5 and re4 back to back and he was like “you know, you can play as Leon in dead by daylight and I’m pretty sure there’s a Sheva skin” and now I play more than him
Something else forgotten; during the Artist's chapter, BHVR was also had the issue where killers would get hits, survivors would hit them with a pallet, and the hit would be rolled back. A lot of killers quit during this period, myself included, and I did not come back until Dredge, when the issue was fixed.
Oh, I didn't forget that crap. That whole wretched era of DBD sticks out to me most sharply among all others. The hit-refund coding was introduced because (at that time) Behaviour said their #1 priority was narrowing the gaps in win rates for two categories: Solo-Queue Survivors vs SWFs; and PC vs Console players. The Venn-overlap of these two, the Solo--Queue Console Survivors were their largest growing player demographic at the time, and were given top priority for that end. The end goal was to make matchmaking more fair in general by reducing the heavy amount of variance within the survivor win rates; noble-sounding stuff, no? Weeelll...the problem was two fold. First, they planned on accomplishing that goal via the same flawed method they had always employed up to that point in DBD's existence: Make the killer-mains suffer by giving Survivors far more leeway than they should have for a time, then placate the Killer mains by giving them some new toy to play with. Going by prior history of the game, it might have even worked, except they chose to do this just after they started training up a new automated MMR system. Since this subject is quite technical and outside the usual common public knowledge, I will oversimplify the matter by saying that matchmaking systems are notoriously unstable during their first few months of operation and can easily spiral out of control when large numbers of players suddenly leave the game. Well, guess what happened between October of 2021 and Jan of 2022? Yup. Half the players quit DBD. But why? Simply put: The absolutely wretched state of the game combined with the agony caused by the new MMR made killer mains quit in droves. This in turn spiked the already taxing queue times for survivors, who then left out of boredom and/or frustration. This is a classic death spiral for any online game's matchmaking system, and it got quite severe because BHVR just chose to ignore the underlying problems for several months in hopes that it would self-stabilize. I won't mince words and simply state the fallout: From Oct 2021 to Feb of 2022, DBD lost over 75% of its players. Silver lining: It finally forced BHVR to finally stop taking its killer mains for granted, leading to the more stable game we have now. That said, it's still far from fully recovering back to its peak back in Sept of 2021.
@@HigherDarkness Yeah, that was the 2019-2020 "Object Meta" where survivors had so many second chances that it was ridiculous. Survivors would often just do generators in the killer's face after their first hook because very few killers had innate powers that countered DS+Unbreakable, and it lasted way, way too long. M1 killers without hyper-mobility were utterly porked between garbage map generation that routinely placed strong tiles in a row or punished anyone without range. (basically, every killer but Pyramid Head, Nurse, Spirit and later, Blight) had no real chance without the survivors playing like panicked chickens. And then there were Keys. How on Earth Otz and Cope forgot about keys enabling 4-man hatch escapes after only 4 generators is beyond me. (the first video of Otz to be suggested to me by YT showcased everything completely fucked about this era of DBD) The only reason DBD endured that garbage meta is because the knowledge base for the average player was much lower back then and the old 'pip' based rank system was infinitely more stable back then than New MMR was when Boon: CoH Meta was dominant.
@@atmosdwagon4656 It was at least a "stable" meta, u knew what survs were running. DS had a timer if I'm not mistaken that u could wait and then down the surv or down the surv then wait. It was a boring meta. Very few counter plays that just enabled a toxic behavior and players like ochido
This discussion about old Eyrie, Cowshed, Mother’s Dwelling makes me think it’s time for another map breakdown! Your last one helped me learn some new loops.
Watch Mr. TatorHead here on TH-cam. The man has multi-hour guides on how to run specific maps. I went from getting downed after running the killer for 10 seconds to running the killer well enough that they either give up chase or continue chasing me and give up gens. Not entirely sure this is the kind of content you're looking for but I seriously can't recommend this guy enough. Mr. TatorHead teaches you how to play DbD from the survivor side and often even points out what killers can do on certain loops. His RPD guide made it one of my favorite maps because of how hilariously broken some of the loops are!
Otz... You are so validating. I'm a writer, and when I brought up the fact that South America doesn't have crows and BHVR's writing felt lazy on Reddit, I got TORN APART, belittled, etc. Just figured I mentioned something that didn't matter and deserved the negativity, and the fact that years later, you pointed out the same issue as relevant enough to the chapter's quality... Man, I could cry lmao. 😭
Bit of a late response but nowadays it's generally assumed that the fact that there are crows in south america is supposed to simbolize the Entities influence over the Artist early on her life already, its called subtle foreshadowing
@@davidatlas123 Yeah, the meaning of the crows has been very apparent from the start. :) But I went to school for literature and have been writing and editing for 20 years, and if BHVR had known this fact about South America, they would've definitely mentioned it in Carmina's bio (referring to the crows as strange, for example). They've recently done it in the current tome, but I believe that's more of a correction on their part than something they envisioned over two years ago. But that's just good writing: acknowledging when something doesn't make sense, even subtly, and adding that to the tone, especially in horror writing. When something like that is a basic detail that's inconsistent with your premise and you don't acknowledge it, it implies you probably didn't know the detail to begin with. That's the equivalent of an American writer telling an European story where opossums are present; it's very odd and out of place, even if thematically relevant, and should be acknowledged as such.
@@morganwilliams7717 Fair points all, still tho I'd wager that on some works the foreshadowing of details is not made explicit by a "wink wink" type of text of "and the crows were odd btw, theres no crows in the region" Consider it as a sorta fridge easter egg where some readers would know the fact and realize its the entities meddling(due to it being tied to crows), and those who don't notice, well it doesnt change the narrative for them I wouldn't say that acknoledging it alone mades it good writing, its different formulas, specially considering the ambiguity used in horror themes, my memory is a bit vague rn but iirc in the mountains of madness novel theres mentions of penguins in an area where its not their natural habitat. In story this is to imply/foreshadow how the eldritch creature moved them around for experimentation as they later show mutated, but theres no line saying "How odd, penguins aren't native of this place", it's different ways of storytelling i feel Ofc tho we can never know since theres not been an official commentary if it was intentional or not, and they've done some very poor lore before so it wouldnt be impossible
@@davidatlas123 Yeah, when I said to imply it, it's more along the lines of it makes sense for young Carmina to not know what a crow is and call it a strange bird instead. Good writers wouldn't never shove the details down your throat by specifically saying it's not native to the region. To me, it was that first casual mention of her childhood self feeding the crow that gives away that BHVR probably didn't fact check. But either way, we'll never really know, and the Entity's influence is clearly there regardless. Also don't know if you remember it, but in the initial launch of the chapter, her lore mentioned after her hands were cut off, she struggled against her wrist restraints. BHVR's writing that chapter was a bit sloppier than the majority of previous ones, at least the lore I'd read prior.
I would be shocked if Carmina wouldnt know what a crow is? Just becauase fauna isn't native doesn't mean someone wont know. Honestly it wouldnt surpise me if she saw it and thought too much. I have seen native parrots in the UK thanks to invasive species lol @morganwilliams7717
It's really nice to see how the recent chapters have been consistently good. I took a break from the game when the Alien chapter released and when I came back I was surprised at how good the new additions were. It was exciting sense the last break I took was between project w and tools of torment.
I too play with breaks. Usually around one year and comeback for events. The game does not have the addictive nature, let's say, Battlefield 1 has for me.
Oh man, i so love this type of videos when you bring someone and discuss random things. That somehow feels very cozy (although it does feel like you're a bit nervous)
Another reason the Saw chapter was a good impact on the game was it was the first time you finally had a second objective in the game. Before Pig the only other interactions you could have with a Killer was breaking Trappers traps and light burning the Nurse, Wraith, and Hag's traps. Also Make your Choice combined with BBQ was a good push to not tunnel and camp the hook. Considering you went against a lot of Bubba's this wasn't a bad thing at all.
1:19:36 Actually, on release Victor could just pounce at a locker and he would injure the survivor inside. They added it after the PTB but never said anything about it, but I think it's because the locker grab animation (which they had already annouced at that point) wasn't ready yet but they wanted to add some form of counterplay to survivors just hopping into lockers.
I love the back and forth you guys have. Like, I love that you both genuinely hear each other out and change opinions but still hold the beliefs you have. A nice balance. Just also subscribed to Cope! Love the content!
I started playing when Blight was new, and returned when Xeno was added. Took a long break, but decided to come back and its been fun playing Killer, never played killer when I first started playing. The major reason I returned, aside from boredom, was because of Singularity! His charm and design is awesome, I'm a fan of playing monster killers, so a killer robot is up my alley!
WE’RE IN THE HOME STRETCH TO 1,000,000, IT’S BEEN AN HONOR OTZ (Usually watch signed out and been watching for a couple of years, so finally decided to sign into this account to subscribe before the big occasion; thank you for everything you do Otz.)
I clicked on the video with the intention to sleep calmly with your both voices. And until now I watched all of it! Totally worth it! :D ❤️ I can nearly agree with all of it, even if I like to play knight. Objectively speaking, my tier list would probably look similar. Have a great weekend and thanks both of you 😊
This was awesome to listen to while at work. The time passed quickly while also being entertaining to listen too. Just wish there was more to listen to after my lunch break! Thanks so much otz :)
Otz fixed most of what I was doing wrong as a killer, so thank you. I wish the game was more enjoyable for both sides but you've given me a lot more fun in it.
Hello Otz! I've been watching your content for such a long time now and I have been absolutely loving all of the longer videos lately as well as the more recent collaborations! Keep up the good work 💚
Saw WAS what brought me to dbd. I know she was kind of a no one when the movie came out in terms of horror but Amanda is my favorite and the second i heard she was there so was I.
Otz, in case nobody mentioned it yet, the timestamp tags for Ash vs. Evil Dead and Demise of the Faithful are reversed in the video!! Also great job as always, love hearing about the history of the game and your and Cope's different experiences ❤
One of my favorite chapters and the one I started playing on was Demise of the Faithful. Many killers nowadays feel like a hodgepodge of other killers, but not plague. She has a uniqueness to her, something I haven't felt in killer designs in awhile.
One thing I remember from the Silent Hill release was how cool Midwich was aesthetically, not from a gameplay standpoint. I was just stricken by how eerie and atmospheric it was when I loaded into it for the first time, and it has super cool sound design with the rattling corpses and sirens and clock tower and stuff
Crazy to think that Otz and i started playing the game at a similar time, ive watched the game since release but the Saw chapter was what cemented me i have to pick this up even if i use almost nothing from the Saw chapter these days in terms of perks or characters. Im so grateful for it getting me into this game i love so much. :)
1k off a mil, congrats bro you’ve definitely earned it!! For so long I lost interest in this game and you have brought me back to one of my favourite games! Love your content keep it up! ❤️🔥
You could actually hear Spirit's footsteps while she phased. So there was "technically" some counterplay to prayer beads but good luck hearing that over the generator noise. I do remember a couple occasions where I could hear her walking by in phase
i love artist the :c also, as a chilean, i don't know who told you there are no crows in south america, but that's a lie. i don't know about the rest of south and central america, but at least in Chile, there are crows, i can link you to the national ornitologist archive lol. you can see them in person too, we are a country with a very big diversity of species and weathers because of the shape and location of the country. And carmina is also a pretty iconic chilean name, actually my best friend's name is carmina, and she went to art college with me haha, what are the ods. Straight hair and white skin is common too. Like if i, a chilean, feels at home with her depiction, what are you doing saying it's not south american enough lol. I might be wrong, but i think the confussion honestly comes from ignorance. many people think of south america as brazil, or central america. more "caribean" countries if you will. but Chile has always had a more isolated history, is a VERY long country, so if you ask to a chilean up north they'll tell you it's nothing but desert, in the middle they'll say it's a valley, at the south it will be like winter forests, tundra, cold rivers, etc. You can and will find crows, and our artistic history is very rich for such a young, relatively speaking, country. I was actually susprised when this chapter came out, because usually south americans get grouped up as a unit under that stereotypical "latino" profile that many americans and europeans picture when talking about us, when they are talking about a big continent full of countries where some even hate one another lol....and i insist, they really did hit a mark with the artist's personality and profile and details conecting to chile. A weirdo cold artist surrounded by birds? yeah pretty chilean in my eyes lol, we are often seen as the opposite of your friendly warm countries down here lol. It makes sense. And our most iconic native tribes come from the south too: from were our best artists, poets, etc were from too, and were you are likely to find crows. Edit her background as a mural artist who proceeded to protest? that is mirroring our iconic art movement in the 80's down to a T, under a military regime and corruption just like her lore, including the fact that they were a lot of female artists among them.I can see why it's not for everyone, it is less flashy, but i appreciate it a lot.
Very insightful comment! I had no idea Chile was a colder place. I started playing Artist today actually and she kicks ass, glad to know you feel represented as a Chilean
Otz, I would like to point out that what you said about Artist having a ''crow power'' and crows not existing in South America aren't related. Pixel Bush did a video on her, apparently, she was meant to be a ''political'' character, an activist. The crow imagery is probably taken from the book ''La danza de los cuervos'' that talks about the chilean dictatorship lead by Augusto Pinochet. It's likely that she was inspired by a real life artist, Victor Jara, who was arrested during that time and had his hands broken to prevent him from writing.
@@mattiacicchetti3778 I mean, I love that they went to real life events to get inspiration. However, they still failed in how they portrayed her. The chilean dictatorship should have been the context of her lore explicitly, the horrors that Pinochet brought to Chile should have been addressed, with no room for misunderstandings. It takes away the importance of her character in the political side. I get it tho, Behaviour doesn't wanna get political. However, she had potential to be an INCREDIBLY written character. I have no doubt that if she was an activist against Pinochet's dictatorship and explicitly had her arms and tongue severed by government agents in the lore, A LOT of people would have been drawn to her. A message like that is simply too powerful to overlook.
1:31:00 i would also like to add. The stutter wasnt only at random times, it also happened whenever a killer performed an action, including power, gen kicking, hooking, swinging and way more
I think Cope’s definition of generic is different from mine. He used it to describe both Garden of Joy and Eerie of Crows, and those are 2 of the most visually unique and layout unique maps in the game so I dont really see that. Neither of them are great maps but I cant see a world where they are “generic”.
It's kinda silly to me that the Clown chapter is in the same tier as the Huntress and Saw chapters... Like the Clown's additions are all mainstays of the game nowadays and have been since launch, basically. Pop Goes the Weasel is *the* slowdown perk. Windows of Opportunity is *the* survivor perk. Clown is *the* horrible meme killer. The map has Maurice on it and it's been a fine map all this time. Meanwhile, no one plays Pig, no one picks the perks from that DLC, and the map has been *problematic* its whole existence. No one takes huntress' perks. And David,s perks have been outright detrimental to the game. There's a clearly defined line between these chapters.
02:53:40 I love the Xenomorph, it is my main player after Nemesis. But personally, when the chapter released I was taking a long break from the game and I didn't come back when Xeno released because every survivor and their mothers were running the perk "Made For This" before the nerf.
It’s pretty trippy hearing from a guy who played from the beta version all the way to now through every change. Wasn’t subbed to him before but I am now. Otz should do a big shoutout video for DBD channels he likes.
Some of my favorite chapters are All-Kill/Roots of Dredge and All Things Wicked. The reasoning behind it's very simple really, just the Thematic of the chapters The Trickster it's this insane psychopath that you hear laugh when he goes wild with the knives. The Dredge it's the most eerie killer i believe? (even if in gameplay isn't the best, hes theme just fits almost to perfection with DbD) The Unknown i mean his theme it's pretty well put in-game and has the great gameplay to go alongside. In most cases anyway i'm just here for the Vibe of the chapter and honestly, i really want to see how the killer sounds/moves around and all that and how Faithfull can they recreate it (stomping from an Undetectable Nemesis). Does that mean that the 3 chapters i listed above are the best? (hell no, i mean look at Trickster) but just seeing The Spirit passive phase while your a Quentin hiding in a corner or The Xenomorph trying to sniff the survivors around it's just a vibe. Hearing the vaccum from The Dredge while being barely able to see it's certainly a feel just like almost breaking my hand against The Unknown because he teleported to the one goddam Husk i was trying to dispel. I could go on and on about each chapter and the vibe we got from that one, but we all know that the best chapter it's Tools of Torment and we hope to never get one like that again.
the unknown is the only chapter that got people who never heard of dbd to still talk about it over a month after it was released. It was a really well made chapter and deserves to be placed way higher
For me, the Last Breath chapter is what drew me to the game. Nurse was the only killer I enjoyed playing and had lots of fun with, plus Nea was the favorite character for one of my favorite content creators and honestly the asylum and father campels church are my favorite maps.
otz, before i started watching you i had no girlfriend. then i got one, but she cheated on me so i dumped her. but you still here. otz, will you marry me?
Hey otz, one fun thing about Carmina and the Crows, there is a theory it that is intentional the choice because it is the Entity behind manipulating manipulating her story from the beginning, that why she is so obessed with crows too, because they doesnt exist in Chile Maybe with the new Tome about, they will told more about this, and this theory it was shared by a minstkull video! So the credit is all his
One thing I would like to add about the stranger things DLC is that on this horror game, licenses tend to be more mid-age player oriented. 16/20 yo players probably never watched Nightmare on Elm Street or Saw3. But it was amazing getting to play as the most watched Netflix Series characters, and it is nearly the only way to play as them because they don't have any other game that's remarkable.
And when he did, it was some questionable things, lol. Him saying old skull merchant was less toxic was so out of touch, how can someone say that with a straight face
i feel like a lot contributed to the Alien chapter being disregarded, we just had 3 original killers in a row which everyone knows usually doesnt go well, especially with the disaster of knight and merchant one after another, survivors had just come off the gen kick meta and end transmission was not rlly popular, on top of that killers had to deal with mft too so a lot of the playerbase just felt super burnt out since the last 3 chapters had all had major issues for both sides and people just wanted a break. Such a shame too bc alien was such a huge license to get and obviously a lot of work went into it
Only thing I'd say about unknown is that it certainly feels like you cant get weakness off of you before he can shoot you again. And since he doesnt have to be spot on accurate like huntress it feels bad when you get downed right as you had a sliver of weakness left to dissipate.
Otz before I started watching you, I didn't have a job or a girlfriend
Nothing of that has changed, but you're a pretty good youtuber
I can change ONE of those things!!!
Also I'm not hiring at the moment.
Otz is the best waifu.
@@notOtzdarva marriage when?
@@notOtzdarva 🤨🤨🤨
@@notOtzdarva wow you really love your fan...
One other point for the Sadako chapter that didn't get mentioned, that I think made it pretty unique, was the fact that 7 days after you got the DLC, you got that special intro
This confused SO MANY people who had no clue why the hell that happened and didn't realize the connection.
the subreddit still gets confused people asking about it from time to time
@@kor8rok The first time I got the special intro was around the time a new killer was about to be announced, maybe it was Chucky, and because I was mashing the keys to skip to the menu as fast as possible, I was convinced the TV static was a teaser for the next killer. Oh well, it wasn't, but I still loved finding the special intro so many months after the release of Sadako.
A 3+ hour video? With no split-screen playing Subway Surfers? Madness.
I just opened a minecraft parkour gameplay on my second monitor. Trust me it helps
Brainrot moment
@@DawnSapph1re Can’t argue with that, it’s basically a Sonic slushie up there.
@@DawnSapph1re definition of dead by daylight rn
My last 3 brain cells trying not to be dead by daylight
A very short Otz tier list, thanks for giving us a quick vid to watch.
Quick watch before I went to bed
Just when I needed a long video, I can always bet on Otz and Cope to break down a topic I didn’t know I cared about into the tiniest details, lovely ❤
And Cope!! We thought this would take like 45 min and it went on for 3 hours lmfao.
@@notOtzdarvaListening to this in the gym. Getting those gains and learning more about the game. Like any real man should
You really stole Poppt1's profile picture? get a life.
@@BlakeWright46 why do you care about someone using a picture? get a life.
@@notOtzdarva TRUE!! I love Cope for his incredible knowledge and hilarious dry humor
I click on videos you upload thinking "This could be a nice 20 minute or so video to listen to" then I look at the time and its 3 hours! I am still not used to the detail you put into videos, but its awesome!
These long videos are often much less work than the highly edited or researched 10 minute ones 😂 Thank you though!!
Yk which one was such a vibe for me was nemesis resident evil chapter, it was summer, the anniversary was coming up I was in very good health and my life was just amazing at the time and I think resident evil has clearly had a MASSIVE impact on dbd and they seem like they truly enjoy having there license in the game
No doubt!!
Couldn't agree more. Both the first Resident Evil and Silent Hill chapter were revolutionary for the game and brought in a massive amount of new players. I'm also pretty nostalgic for both as playing during the release of those chapters with my best friend during the summer are some of the fondest memories I have from that time
I got into dbd because of resident evil! My boyfriend begged me for years and years to just try it and I wouldn’t, then we played re5 and re4 back to back and he was like “you know, you can play as Leon in dead by daylight and I’m pretty sure there’s a Sheva skin” and now I play more than him
@@izzyreads2930I would have 10k hours in fucking Pac-man if you could play as Leon in it, I don't blame you.
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Something else forgotten; during the Artist's chapter, BHVR was also had the issue where killers would get hits, survivors would hit them with a pallet, and the hit would be rolled back. A lot of killers quit during this period, myself included, and I did not come back until Dredge, when the issue was fixed.
Oh, I didn't forget that crap. That whole wretched era of DBD sticks out to me most sharply among all others.
The hit-refund coding was introduced because (at that time) Behaviour said their #1 priority was narrowing the gaps in win rates for two categories: Solo-Queue Survivors vs SWFs; and PC vs Console players. The Venn-overlap of these two, the Solo--Queue Console Survivors were their largest growing player demographic at the time, and were given top priority for that end.
The end goal was to make matchmaking more fair in general by reducing the heavy amount of variance within the survivor win rates; noble-sounding stuff, no?
Weeelll...the problem was two fold. First, they planned on accomplishing that goal via the same flawed method they had always employed up to that point in DBD's existence: Make the killer-mains suffer by giving Survivors far more leeway than they should have for a time, then placate the Killer mains by giving them some new toy to play with.
Going by prior history of the game, it might have even worked, except they chose to do this just after they started training up a new automated MMR system. Since this subject is quite technical and outside the usual common public knowledge, I will oversimplify the matter by saying that matchmaking systems are notoriously unstable during their first few months of operation and can easily spiral out of control when large numbers of players suddenly leave the game.
Well, guess what happened between October of 2021 and Jan of 2022? Yup. Half the players quit DBD.
But why?
Simply put: The absolutely wretched state of the game combined with the agony caused by the new MMR made killer mains quit in droves. This in turn spiked the already taxing queue times for survivors, who then left out of boredom and/or frustration. This is a classic death spiral for any online game's matchmaking system, and it got quite severe because BHVR just chose to ignore the underlying problems for several months in hopes that it would self-stabilize.
I won't mince words and simply state the fallout: From Oct 2021 to Feb of 2022, DBD lost over 75% of its players.
Silver lining: It finally forced BHVR to finally stop taking its killer mains for granted, leading to the more stable game we have now. That said, it's still far from fully recovering back to its peak back in Sept of 2021.
@@atmosdwagon4656the dead hard, ds, unbreakable, adrenaline meta will forever haunt me
@@HigherDarkness best meta, countless times better than the cancer that is ftp+buclkle up
@@HigherDarkness Yeah, that was the 2019-2020 "Object Meta" where survivors had so many second chances that it was ridiculous.
Survivors would often just do generators in the killer's face after their first hook because very few killers had innate powers that countered DS+Unbreakable, and it lasted way, way too long.
M1 killers without hyper-mobility were utterly porked between garbage map generation that routinely placed strong tiles in a row or punished anyone without range. (basically, every killer but Pyramid Head, Nurse, Spirit and later, Blight) had no real chance without the survivors playing like panicked chickens.
And then there were Keys. How on Earth Otz and Cope forgot about keys enabling 4-man hatch escapes after only 4 generators is beyond me. (the first video of Otz to be suggested to me by YT showcased everything completely fucked about this era of DBD)
The only reason DBD endured that garbage meta is because the knowledge base for the average player was much lower back then and the old 'pip' based rank system was infinitely more stable back then than New MMR was when Boon: CoH Meta was dominant.
@@atmosdwagon4656 It was at least a "stable" meta, u knew what survs were running. DS had a timer if I'm not mistaken that u could wait and then down the surv or down the surv then wait. It was a boring meta. Very few counter plays that just enabled a toxic behavior and players like ochido
Was a pleasure. 🤝
enjoying watching you !!!
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Cope is so chill. I really dig this dude and he is an OG and a great content creator
My 2 fav TH-camr
Your builds inspire me
Let us know if you need help escaping Otz’s dungeon.
This discussion about old Eyrie, Cowshed, Mother’s Dwelling makes me think it’s time for another map breakdown! Your last one helped me learn some new loops.
Watch Mr. TatorHead here on TH-cam. The man has multi-hour guides on how to run specific maps. I went from getting downed after running the killer for 10 seconds to running the killer well enough that they either give up chase or continue chasing me and give up gens. Not entirely sure this is the kind of content you're looking for but I seriously can't recommend this guy enough.
Mr. TatorHead teaches you how to play DbD from the survivor side and often even points out what killers can do on certain loops. His RPD guide made it one of my favorite maps because of how hilariously broken some of the loops are!
Otz... You are so validating. I'm a writer, and when I brought up the fact that South America doesn't have crows and BHVR's writing felt lazy on Reddit, I got TORN APART, belittled, etc. Just figured I mentioned something that didn't matter and deserved the negativity, and the fact that years later, you pointed out the same issue as relevant enough to the chapter's quality... Man, I could cry lmao. 😭
Bit of a late response but nowadays it's generally assumed that the fact that there are crows in south america is supposed to simbolize the Entities influence over the Artist early on her life already, its called subtle foreshadowing
@@davidatlas123 Yeah, the meaning of the crows has been very apparent from the start. :) But I went to school for literature and have been writing and editing for 20 years, and if BHVR had known this fact about South America, they would've definitely mentioned it in Carmina's bio (referring to the crows as strange, for example). They've recently done it in the current tome, but I believe that's more of a correction on their part than something they envisioned over two years ago. But that's just good writing: acknowledging when something doesn't make sense, even subtly, and adding that to the tone, especially in horror writing. When something like that is a basic detail that's inconsistent with your premise and you don't acknowledge it, it implies you probably didn't know the detail to begin with. That's the equivalent of an American writer telling an European story where opossums are present; it's very odd and out of place, even if thematically relevant, and should be acknowledged as such.
@@morganwilliams7717 Fair points all, still tho I'd wager that on some works the foreshadowing of details is not made explicit by a "wink wink" type of text of "and the crows were odd btw, theres no crows in the region"
Consider it as a sorta fridge easter egg where some readers would know the fact and realize its the entities meddling(due to it being tied to crows), and those who don't notice, well it doesnt change the narrative for them
I wouldn't say that acknoledging it alone mades it good writing, its different formulas, specially considering the ambiguity used in horror themes, my memory is a bit vague rn but iirc in the mountains of madness novel theres mentions of penguins in an area where its not their natural habitat. In story this is to imply/foreshadow how the eldritch creature moved them around for experimentation as they later show mutated, but theres no line saying "How odd, penguins aren't native of this place", it's different ways of storytelling i feel
Ofc tho we can never know since theres not been an official commentary if it was intentional or not, and they've done some very poor lore before so it wouldnt be impossible
@@davidatlas123 Yeah, when I said to imply it, it's more along the lines of it makes sense for young Carmina to not know what a crow is and call it a strange bird instead. Good writers wouldn't never shove the details down your throat by specifically saying it's not native to the region. To me, it was that first casual mention of her childhood self feeding the crow that gives away that BHVR probably didn't fact check. But either way, we'll never really know, and the Entity's influence is clearly there regardless. Also don't know if you remember it, but in the initial launch of the chapter, her lore mentioned after her hands were cut off, she struggled against her wrist restraints. BHVR's writing that chapter was a bit sloppier than the majority of previous ones, at least the lore I'd read prior.
I would be shocked if Carmina wouldnt know what a crow is? Just becauase fauna isn't native doesn't mean someone wont know. Honestly it wouldnt surpise me if she saw it and thought too much. I have seen native parrots in the UK thanks to invasive species lol @morganwilliams7717
Hello Otz this is friends!
Edit: 1k likes!? Thank you friends!
Hellooooo friendoooos
@@notOtzdarvaHallo :D
@@notOtzdarva Daddy otz! 😍 (I need help)
Friends this Otz is hello!
@@Konomidebanshouwashikisesuryou’re so quirky and funny and unique
YES! More Otz and Cope! My fav collab on this website lmao, keep em coming
It's really nice to see how the recent chapters have been consistently good. I took a break from the game when the Alien chapter released and when I came back I was surprised at how good the new additions were. It was exciting sense the last break I took was between project w and tools of torment.
Props to you for taking breaks! I do something similar and it makes me excited to play when I come back
I skipped like 3 chapters and I’m ready to grind again. Breaks are def needed for this game.
I too play with breaks. Usually around one year and comeback for events. The game does not have the addictive nature, let's say, Battlefield 1 has for me.
@@justwatch7091 bf1 had me hooked the entire cycle of that game. Flawless honestly. Maybe even better than bf3.
Oh man, i so love this type of videos when you bring someone and discuss random things. That somehow feels very cozy (although it does feel like you're a bit nervous)
Really appreciate the passion and effort in these videos. Ive taken a break from dbd but I still ritually watch your videos.
Another reason the Saw chapter was a good impact on the game was it was the first time you finally had a second objective in the game. Before Pig the only other interactions you could have with a Killer was breaking Trappers traps and light burning the Nurse, Wraith, and Hag's traps. Also Make your Choice combined with BBQ was a good push to not tunnel and camp the hook. Considering you went against a lot of Bubba's this wasn't a bad thing at all.
1:19:36 Actually, on release Victor could just pounce at a locker and he would injure the survivor inside. They added it after the PTB but never said anything about it, but I think it's because the locker grab animation (which they had already annouced at that point) wasn't ready yet but they wanted to add some form of counterplay to survivors just hopping into lockers.
I love these style of videos! Always a joy to see cope too!
I love the back and forth you guys have. Like, I love that you both genuinely hear each other out and change opinions but still hold the beliefs you have. A nice balance. Just also subscribed to Cope! Love the content!
Keep making long videos otz (and cope for this one), i like how you just always say everything that you feel its needed, without cutting edges
Congrats on 1 mil! I really like long form videos like these where I can just listen and do my homework. Great fun watching as always. Take care!
aye i was just watching your old vids with cope! i love this guy nice to see him back
I started playing when Blight was new, and returned when Xeno was added. Took a long break, but decided to come back and its been fun playing Killer, never played killer when I first started playing. The major reason I returned, aside from boredom, was because of Singularity! His charm and design is awesome, I'm a fan of playing monster killers, so a killer robot is up my alley!
Just being honest, I didn’t know about Cope but he seems really cool! Thanks for sharing Otz & Cope!
The Last Breath is 100% an oof, it's the only time they released 2 killers in one chapter pretty rough if u ask me
Comedy king.
2 killer dlc was peak. Its GREAT IMPACT 100%
which meant also releasing the most annoying and terrible thing, the Nea Karlsson player
Thank you for these types of videos, I love just putting them on in the background whilst I'm at work
Otz and cope has to be one of my favorite duos. Keep up the amazing work!
Love the dynamic between Cope and yourself. I could listen to you both talk shop about DBD all day! 🙌 Fantastic job as always 👏💜
Nice to see both Otz and Cope. Great video! ❤
Stuck at work for 5 hours overtime and overnight I needed this thank you otz ❤
Be careful with the boss seeing you watching vids
At night? Is there a sneaky monster that stalks you while working?
WE’RE IN THE HOME STRETCH TO 1,000,000, IT’S BEEN AN HONOR OTZ
(Usually watch signed out and been watching for a couple of years, so finally decided to sign into this account to subscribe before the big occasion; thank you for everything you do Otz.)
They have been on a roll lately, specialy all things wicked is amazing, even the teasers
Agreed, we didn't even talk about that!!
I clicked on the video with the intention to sleep calmly with your both voices. And until now I watched all of it! Totally worth it! :D ❤️
I can nearly agree with all of it, even if I like to play knight. Objectively speaking, my tier list would probably look similar.
Have a great weekend and thanks both of you 😊
always appreciate those vids otz, cheers
Just watching these style videos and getting a history lesson on the game is awesome ! Especially for someone who join right after RE was added.
Dredge and Singularity need so much love, the first for a buff, and the second for more cosmetic and little buff/adjustement about the IEM
This was awesome to listen to while at work. The time passed quickly while also being entertaining to listen too. Just wish there was more to listen to after my lunch break! Thanks so much otz :)
Three videos longer than an hour, back, to back, to back! Otz is spoiling us!
Thanks Otz and Cope, just need some long video and its about DLCs in DBD ? Lets go ❤
Love the vid, put this on while i was doing some garden work. Absolutely amazing
Otz fixed most of what I was doing wrong as a killer, so thank you.
I wish the game was more enjoyable for both sides but you've given me a lot more fun in it.
Hello Otz! I've been watching your content for such a long time now and I have been absolutely loving all of the longer videos lately as well as the more recent collaborations! Keep up the good work 💚
Saw WAS what brought me to dbd. I know she was kind of a no one when the movie came out in terms of horror but Amanda is my favorite and the second i heard she was there so was I.
Otz, in case nobody mentioned it yet, the timestamp tags for Ash vs. Evil Dead and Demise of the Faithful are reversed in the video!!
Also great job as always, love hearing about the history of the game and your and Cope's different experiences ❤
One of my favorite chapters and the one I started playing on was Demise of the Faithful. Many killers nowadays feel like a hodgepodge of other killers, but not plague. She has a uniqueness to her, something I haven't felt in killer designs in awhile.
What is hodgepodge?
@@mitchsz a confused mixture
I'm more of a Ghostface fan myself.
One thing I remember from the Silent Hill release was how cool Midwich was aesthetically, not from a gameplay standpoint. I was just stricken by how eerie and atmospheric it was when I loaded into it for the first time, and it has super cool sound design with the rattling corpses and sirens and clock tower and stuff
Dayum guess I gotta stay awake til 3:00AM watching this. Love the content Otz :)
Can’t wait to dig into this long video. Much love to you bro. Hugs.
I live for these multi hour long videos!!!❤❤❤
Love the long forms. Thank you, you two ❤
would have been more fun if this was an XY axis of "impact on the game" and "good or bad" or something like that
Close to 1M Otz! Glad to be here, keep it up!
Crazy to think that Otz and i started playing the game at a similar time, ive watched the game since release but the Saw chapter was what cemented me i have to pick this up even if i use almost nothing from the Saw chapter these days in terms of perks or characters. Im so grateful for it getting me into this game i love so much. :)
Holy shit. I havent seen cope sonce the perk review episode but now he looks like the one cool uncle at thanksgiving
Two Kings collabing for 3 hours. Peak content
I can't wait for the million subscribers, you deserve it Otz, i love you
Love seeing Alex doing long videos with other content creators, a very nice variety of content and opinions
Otz. You aren’t a close friend to him so calling him by his government is just weird dude.
@@jakewhitmore6046ok jake
1k off a mil, congrats bro you’ve definitely earned it!! For so long I lost interest in this game and you have brought me back to one of my favourite games! Love your content keep it up! ❤️🔥
Been waiting for this for awhile
You could actually hear Spirit's footsteps while she phased. So there was "technically" some counterplay to prayer beads but good luck hearing that over the generator noise.
I do remember a couple occasions where I could hear her walking by in phase
i love artist the :c also, as a chilean, i don't know who told you there are no crows in south america, but that's a lie. i don't know about the rest of south and central america, but at least in Chile, there are crows, i can link you to the national ornitologist archive lol. you can see them in person too, we are a country with a very big diversity of species and weathers because of the shape and location of the country. And carmina is also a pretty iconic chilean name, actually my best friend's name is carmina, and she went to art college with me haha, what are the ods. Straight hair and white skin is common too. Like if i, a chilean, feels at home with her depiction, what are you doing saying it's not south american enough lol.
I might be wrong, but i think the confussion honestly comes from ignorance. many people think of south america as brazil, or central america. more "caribean" countries if you will. but Chile has always had a more isolated history, is a VERY long country, so if you ask to a chilean up north they'll tell you it's nothing but desert, in the middle they'll say it's a valley, at the south it will be like winter forests, tundra, cold rivers, etc. You can and will find crows, and our artistic history is very rich for such a young, relatively speaking, country. I was actually susprised when this chapter came out, because usually south americans get grouped up as a unit under that stereotypical "latino" profile that many americans and europeans picture when talking about us, when they are talking about a big continent full of countries where some even hate one another lol....and i insist, they really did hit a mark with the artist's personality and profile and details conecting to chile.
A weirdo cold artist surrounded by birds? yeah pretty chilean in my eyes lol, we are often seen as the opposite of your friendly warm countries down here lol. It makes sense. And our most iconic native tribes come from the south too: from were our best artists, poets, etc were from too, and were you are likely to find crows.
Edit her background as a mural artist who proceeded to protest? that is mirroring our iconic art movement in the 80's down to a T, under a military regime and corruption just like her lore, including the fact that they were a lot of female artists among them.I can see why it's not for everyone, it is less flashy, but i appreciate it a lot.
Very insightful comment! I had no idea Chile was a colder place. I started playing Artist today actually and she kicks ass, glad to know you feel represented as a Chilean
I'm glad to see """Otz""" experimenting with shorts, really interested to see him continue!
Otz, I would like to point out that what you said about Artist having a ''crow power'' and crows not existing in South America aren't related. Pixel Bush did a video on her, apparently, she was meant to be a ''political'' character, an activist. The crow imagery is probably taken from the book ''La danza de los cuervos'' that talks about the chilean dictatorship lead by Augusto Pinochet. It's likely that she was inspired by a real life artist, Victor Jara, who was arrested during that time and had his hands broken to prevent him from writing.
Finally someone said the truth. The disrespect to Purtrait of a Murder is unbelievable
@@mattiacicchetti3778 I mean, I love that they went to real life events to get inspiration. However, they still failed in how they portrayed her. The chilean dictatorship should have been the context of her lore explicitly, the horrors that Pinochet brought to Chile should have been addressed, with no room for misunderstandings. It takes away the importance of her character in the political side. I get it tho, Behaviour doesn't wanna get political. However, she had potential to be an INCREDIBLY written character. I have no doubt that if she was an activist against Pinochet's dictatorship and explicitly had her arms and tongue severed by government agents in the lore, A LOT of people would have been drawn to her. A message like that is simply too powerful to overlook.
@@gabrielborges7129 Still, it is my third favorite chapter
almost 1mil here big guy, I'm excited I started watching in like August and love your videos
1:31:00 i would also like to add. The stutter wasnt only at random times, it also happened whenever a killer performed an action, including power, gen kicking, hooking, swinging and way more
For me it was kinda funny bc when I experienced the stutter it was at perk activation so I knew when bt or dh procced
I just realized you're almost at 1mil?!? Congrats man! I swear the last time I looked you were only at a hundred thousand?! That's amazing 😁
I think Cope’s definition of generic is different from mine. He used it to describe both Garden of Joy and Eerie of Crows, and those are 2 of the most visually unique and layout unique maps in the game so I dont really see that. Neither of them are great maps but I cant see a world where they are “generic”.
i was rewatching all your videos with cope thats nice
I really love the collabs with Cope, he has such a unique perspective
love your videos otz not watched this yet (fully) but im sure this will make me smile like all the rest of them
It's kinda silly to me that the Clown chapter is in the same tier as the Huntress and Saw chapters... Like the Clown's additions are all mainstays of the game nowadays and have been since launch, basically. Pop Goes the Weasel is *the* slowdown perk. Windows of Opportunity is *the* survivor perk. Clown is *the* horrible meme killer. The map has Maurice on it and it's been a fine map all this time. Meanwhile, no one plays Pig, no one picks the perks from that DLC, and the map has been *problematic* its whole existence. No one takes huntress' perks. And David,s perks have been outright detrimental to the game. There's a clearly defined line between these chapters.
3 hour video? Perfect to watch during my road trip.
Chests and chest perks must be buffed.
otz and cope this is amazing i cant wait to spend my saturday watching this while thinking about playing dbd
Cope's opinions are certainly something...
02:53:40 I love the Xenomorph, it is my main player after Nemesis. But personally, when the chapter released I was taking a long break from the game and I didn't come back when Xeno released because every survivor and their mothers were running the perk "Made For This" before the nerf.
I was really interested in what Cope had to say. Guess ill wait til next time 🤣
It’s pretty trippy hearing from a guy who played from the beta version all the way to now through every change. Wasn’t subbed to him before but I am now. Otz should do a big shoutout video for DBD channels he likes.
Some of my favorite chapters are All-Kill/Roots of Dredge and All Things Wicked. The reasoning behind it's very simple really, just the Thematic of the chapters
The Trickster it's this insane psychopath that you hear laugh when he goes wild with the knives.
The Dredge it's the most eerie killer i believe? (even if in gameplay isn't the best, hes theme just fits almost to perfection with DbD)
The Unknown i mean his theme it's pretty well put in-game and has the great gameplay to go alongside.
In most cases anyway i'm just here for the Vibe of the chapter and honestly, i really want to see how the killer sounds/moves around and all that and how Faithfull can they recreate it (stomping from an Undetectable Nemesis).
Does that mean that the 3 chapters i listed above are the best? (hell no, i mean look at Trickster) but just seeing The Spirit passive phase while your a Quentin hiding in a corner or The Xenomorph trying to sniff the survivors around it's just a vibe. Hearing the vaccum from The Dredge while being barely able to see it's certainly a feel just like almost breaking my hand against The Unknown because he teleported to the one goddam Husk i was trying to dispel.
I could go on and on about each chapter and the vibe we got from that one, but we all know that the best chapter it's Tools of Torment and we hope to never get one like that again.
Hard agree on all points. Vibe and theme is far more important to me than anything else.
the unknown is the only chapter that got people who never heard of dbd to still talk about it over a month after it was released. It was a really well made chapter and deserves to be placed way higher
For me, the Last Breath chapter is what drew me to the game. Nurse was the only killer I enjoyed playing and had lots of fun with, plus Nea was the favorite character for one of my favorite content creators and honestly the asylum and father campels church are my favorite maps.
otz, before i started watching you i had no girlfriend. then i got one, but she cheated on me so i dumped her. but you still here. otz, will you marry me?
Waow! That 1 million subs is pretty close dude!
End Transmission ON TOP 🗣🗣🗣
Hey otz, one fun thing about Carmina and the Crows, there is a theory it that is intentional the choice because it is the Entity behind manipulating manipulating her story from the beginning, that why she is so obessed with crows too, because they doesnt exist in Chile
Maybe with the new Tome about, they will told more about this, and this theory it was shared by a minstkull video!
So the credit is all his
COPE IS GOATED!!!!
1 million subscribers Otz! Congrats 🎉🎉🎉
Skull merchant just sitting at the bottom of tier list 🤣🤣
The lowest position on the list is too high for her
One thing I would like to add about the stranger things DLC is that on this horror game, licenses tend to be more mid-age player oriented. 16/20 yo players probably never watched Nightmare on Elm Street or Saw3.
But it was amazing getting to play as the most watched Netflix Series characters, and it is nearly the only way to play as them because they don't have any other game that's remarkable.
Felt like Cope had nothing to say...
And when he did, it was some questionable things, lol. Him saying old skull merchant was less toxic was so out of touch, how can someone say that with a straight face
@@HanSoled199Well, he's a N failure man
His opinions are the biggest Ls I've ever heard, he sounds like a 3k hour player for some reason
@@rudhramoorthy1080 He's just another failure in real life
What the hell is going on here ??? Bunch of haters found their new best friends ?
So much hate like wth
i feel like a lot contributed to the Alien chapter being disregarded, we just had 3 original killers in a row which everyone knows usually doesnt go well, especially with the disaster of knight and merchant one after another, survivors had just come off the gen kick meta and end transmission was not rlly popular, on top of that killers had to deal with mft too so a lot of the playerbase just felt super burnt out since the last 3 chapters had all had major issues for both sides and people just wanted a break. Such a shame too bc alien was such a huge license to get and obviously a lot of work went into it
how does someone have 10k hours in the game but hasn’t played all the killers lol
i remember starting dbd on xbox when trickster came out so hearing discussion on older chapters surprises me on how the game was before that
Only thing I'd say about unknown is that it certainly feels like you cant get weakness off of you before he can shoot you again. And since he doesnt have to be spot on accurate like huntress it feels bad when you get downed right as you had a sliver of weakness left to dissipate.
my fav thing about watching these videos in reminiscing about when i started, for me was chains of hate and its taking me down memory lane
I still can’t believe they released Knight and Skullmerchant back to back. They’ve been releasing bangers lately but they could slip back so easily
Ah, a nice, short Otz video
Didn't talk about Yui and her perks at all. That's crazy. It's crazy!
Chucky is so unbelievably miserable to play against, I don't know how he could even be considered good impact
Because he’s very unique and well-received and he's still very popular, that's how.
Felicidades por el millón otz, se que en teoría aun no llegas pero muchas gracias por todo tu contenido :)