As a physician, I find it hard enough to deal with the differences between male, female, younger and older patients. I can't imagine how vets manage to treat different SPECIES. Unreal!
As a GP veterinary nurse, it's honestly just a way of life. It's a lot to learn and I am continually learning new things about various species, but we don't really think about it. When I'm on the dog side of the building, I put on my canine medicine cap, and on the cat side I put on my feline medicine cap. 😅 I work in predominantly small animal, so it's mostly just the two. Then again, I have also anesthetized an African bullfrog, taken rads on a guinea pig, placed a jugular IV catheter in a calf, and performed CPR on a mini pig. All at the same clinic. When it gets wild is when you start considering diagnostic imaging, anesthesia, surgery, and dentistry all going on under the same roof. Most GPs don't have the luxury of a board certified specialist in house, so you have to be competent in pretty much every aspect of medicine at once. (And most meds are filled in house, so no pharmacist available to help.) My GP is sort of the extreme, but we do orthopedic surgery and some neurosurgical procedures in house, as well as our own CT interpretations. I'm pretty sure we have a nephrectomy coming up as well. Also have to tell you that you have not lived until you've been involved in a C-section on a canine patient. My biggest litter to date has been nine (which honestly isn't even impressive) and it is mass chaos trying to get 9 puppies to breathe at the same time while the only DVM in the building is scrubbed into surgery and trying to stuff 2 feet of uterine horns back into the abdominal incision.
@@superjello3979 wow! Big ups to you! I was a biology major when my (previous) boyfriend's Golden Retriever went into labor and his dad called me to come deliver the pups. I grabbed scissors, dental floss and towels and hyperventated right along with Momma as she birthed healthy pups...my biggest fear was losing one. I did freak out when a few came out in intact sacs! Momma didn't break them, so I did. It was definitely unforgettable, even though about 25 years ago now.
For me, dealing with the human aspect is by far the worst part of being a vet. Watching animals suffer due to the owner's greed, stupidity, and often noncompliance is disheartening. The flat out verbal abuse from clients had gotten exponentially worse over the past 2 years. It's gotten so bad that clinics in my area are sending out letters stating that if they can't speak to staff with respect then they're business isn't welcome. Also, so often a client comes in, says do every diagnostic/ treatment available. Then it comes time to check out and they say "I don't get paid until next week. I only have $25." People don't do this for any other service- why do they think it's ok at a vet? You don't stand in line, have the cashier ring up your groceries, then say I'll have pay you later!!!
Also in vet med- it's been terrible. The first 6 months to a year, people were super nice bc we were "essential". Now we're in hell. I see a lot of people trying to vet hop so they can find someone who won't enforce curbside service. If the first words out of a potential new client's mouth are "ARE YOU LETTING PEOPLE COME INSIDE" I will likely tell you we're not accepting new clients...
As someone who also works in vet med, this strikes home. The verbal abuse has taken a toll, along with burnout. In my area, many veterinary practices have lost doctors and staff due to burnout and stress. Even our emergency veterinary practices cannot run the same way they used to. Things have been tough. I sympathize with you.
I am currently going to school to be a nurse in pediatrics.. I just wanted to say thank you so much to every one of you. All the vets I've met have taken great care of my kitty when I'd bring her in for her shots and or concerns (I'm and very protective pet owner) and no matter how much a visit is you all do such an amazing job and I love my little fur baby. Thank you so much.
No way... all my this time in my environment people saids that in USA (I'm from MX) Veterinarians have a better status, but now I can see that we are exposeded exactly the same way. somebody sayid mi yesterday that day by day, less people want to work as an small animal vet, is that really?
As a human nurse and dog mom, I have to agree. I constantly apologize to our vet and his staff because my boy just hates to go there. He is definitely muzzled, though, and has been professionally trained, but after getting his temp taken, his manners kinds go.
and don't let me start with hematology, in Vet, I have to remember and recognised at least 9 species of different blood cells. There is also difference between breeds.
My husband was a third generation medic. He worked on an ambulance during college. His brother was killed in a car accident. He didn’t cry. He took an elder cat who had tachycardia to the vet. When he came home without the cat he insisted I leave with him. He drove to a parking lot, sat in the car and nearly cried, obviously traumatized.
My dog is a rescue who was shot through the brain as a puppy, (before we even knew he existed,) A veterinary college took him in and nursed him to health over the span of a year, and took him from a coma, to a paralyzed dog, to a fully happy but partially blind puppy! He suffered with seizures for three years once I adopted him, but hasn’t had one single seizure in the last 18 months. Thank you to veterinarians and veterinary specialists for all they do. Nobody can even tell my dog is disabled, and his quality of life is just like any other puppy around. God bless you for all you do! I couldn’t imagine life without my doggy! Miracle workers!!
Veterinarian here! My sister has one year left of med school, and I can totally see us doing something like this in the future. We're both very supportive of each other, and it was fun to see that in your relationship, too!
I love this! I have been a specialty veterinary technician for over 16 years now and the amount of scrutiny and disregard we go under is so hard. we still are not treated as medical professionals by most of the community. Yay for vet med education.
Prech! 15+ yrs LVT. Mainly surgey. Went from er tech, to surgey, head sx tech. Surgey tech supervisor, to surgery/specialty tech supervisor. I moved and now I'm happily just a plan ol er tech lol 😆 😅 (I might be a little out of practice on a few things for on er floor lol)
I’m a certified veterinary technician and though my focus is emergency and critical care, I have a soft spot for neuro after I had a post op hemilaminectomy beagle patient that I ended up adopting. Went from being unable to control his back legs or bladder to running. Was wagging his little tail when he woke up from anesthesia. Thank you veterinary neurosurgeons! ❤️
Fellow CVT here! I have a cat I adopted with Horner's syndrome and bilateral nystagmus following head trauma (HBC). It definitely makes you appreciate neuro. Much respect to you in ECC work. I work in a weirdly specialized GP and it feels like I somehow stumble onto the majority of the emergent cases that come in and it is intense. Props to anyone who can do that for a living.
Being a full time VT myself, I would agree with your brother on the aspects of getting pooped on, peed on, vomited on, scratched to hell, and bit on a regular basis. I have the scars to prove it and so do all of the Vets I work with, as well as the other techs. It’s a rather physically and emotionally taxing job to not get paid for what the value is of helping and saving animal lives. Unfortunately I feel that until we begin to honor animal life, as we do that of humans, the pay out is not going to change. Hopefully it will some day! But one cannot sustain themselves and potentially others on an annual income of less than 30K and have good quality of life in the states, unfortunately. Rant aside, great video! Thanks for the perspective.
Yeah, I definitely agree. This is difficult though. The extra money has to come from somewhere. Where? I kind of think insurance companies, but then that's just another pain in the ass on the vet clinic staff has to deal with
My dog once got knocked by a car and was paralysed. He was dragging his feet around. The vet gave him something and in about 2 weeks, he was walking again. He had peed on the vet. I've never loved a person more than I loved that vet.
I found this both interesting and entertaining. I am a UCDavis graduate from the School of Veterinary Medicine (1994) and one thing that you might mention is that after our 4th year in clinical rotations, we can begin practice immediately and are not required to complete a residency program as are human physicians. I think this debate between the two disciplines will go on in perpetuity. I like to joke with MDs, “how many species do you work on?”
I actually love this brother dynamic, this was so fun! Do more videos together! Did your parents strongly encourage med school for everyone? Or did you all just happen to like this field?
Definitely harder to get into vet school than med school in parts of Canada. We have only a few vet schools and what school you're allowed to go to depends on what province you're a resident of. My province has 1-2 seats a year. Ultimately those odds are what made me fully give up on wanting to be a vet. It was my final straw after acknowledging the issues with other things like the lower income, the "only in it for the money" comments, seeing the neglect, and more. So much respect for my dogs vets!
I graduated medical school 1983. I’ve also rescued 56 dogs in my life. I’m almost always the only person in the rescue group that has any sort of healthcare training so I get all the sick dogs. This means I have spent a lot of time in veterinary offices. Veterinarian that I have seen the most often in the last 35 years is Dr. G. One day, out of the blue, Dr. G said to me, “do you know veterinarians have higher IQs then do medical doctors.“ I was surprised by his statement. If anyone would’ve asked me, I would’ve guessed that the IQ was about the same for MDs and DVMs. I asked him how he had come to that conclusion. He said that they were fewer veterinary school so it’s obviously harder to get to that school. Dr. G had previously told me he had a hard time with the statistics course in his veterinary school. After I heard his statement I wasn’t surprised that he had a hard time with statistics. How hard it is to obtain a position is dependent on how many people apply for that position. What matters is how many people apply relative to the number of positions. Many more people apply to medical school than veterinary school. So just a number of positions in the vet school or med school is not an indication of how hard it is to get in. When I had time I looked it up. Both veterinarians and MDs, on the average have an IQ two standard deviations above the normal mean. That is A score on the Weschler adult intelligence scale (WAIS) of about 132. I don’t really understand why people have to decide which profession is morally superior. I would say both MDs and DVMs are probably morally superior to many professions but I don’t see how you could decide we are whether DVM or an MD is morally superior to each other.
Mixed animal veterinarian here. Love the video! Glad that TH-cam brought this in my recommended feed. I work on primarily cats and dogs, along with cattle, sheep, goats, and horses. I will say as an add-on that doesn't get much attention, vets who work with farm/large animals tend to have the most demanding physical strains. I work in a general practice with 3 other vets at least 20-30 years older than me. All of them worked with large animals throughout their careers and all of them either have bad shoulders, bad knees, or a bad back. Now I am the only one taking care of all of our big patients. As much as I do enjoy going out on farm calls, it's a reality I will have to look forward to in my future. Large animal vets in general are much more difficult to come by and are in such high demand.
As a vet student whow I'll likely go into small animal GP, I have so much respect for your largies and mixed animal vets! It's not easy for sure, so dangerous and so challenging. I love largies, but I don't think I could ever do the stuff you guys do. Keep up the great work!
When I was a 4th year at Oregon State one of our medicine residents was on food stamps to support their family. Not shaming food stamps, just an example of how challenging residency programs are financially. The number of hours our large animal residents were on call was just unbelievable.
@@edz6388 That’s all I do not know much about. I do know that we had interns and residents with work visas. I would assume, you would find the school you are interested at doing a residency at And have to apply.
@@DogDocLou thank you very much, that's very helpful to me. I know that residents have a payment about 30k/y, but a do t know if that's true for every single speciality.
As a veterinary internist I agree with your take on myth of “vet school is harder to get into than med school” - totally agree in reality med school is likely more competitive. Thanks for touching on that
I have DVM degree and whoa I agree on what your brother said. Vet practitioner deserve more for what they do. Long hours of working with little pay, not to mention the emotional burden. Due to this I don't work as practitioner and instead work in veterinary pharmaceutical. I just can't deal with all of that... So kudos to all veterinarian! Ofcourse the upside of it, is really rewarding. Seeing a patient that almost dying to be healthy again is just amazing, but being frustated at untreatable case is also devastating... I know we should just focus on what we can do, but for me the emotional burden is just too much :")
So true! I have a few questions though. Do you have to have a DVM degree to get into Veterinary Pharmaceutical? What's that field like and also do you think the pay is good?
@@breanamarksman5759 it depends on the jobdesk. Because I'm resposible for research and registration of veterinary drugs therefore it need DVM degree. Some technical service/sales position in veterinary pharmaceuticals also need DVM degree. For my position as regulatory affairs the payment is quite decent, but the real upside of it is ofcourse fixed working hours unlike vet practitioner
I had no idea your brother was a veterinarian! I've been waiting for a video like this, where a human physician and veterinarian compare their jobs, etc. And funny thing is, I'm on my neuro rotation right now! Thanks for doing this video!
You both seem so kind and are obviously so incredibly bright! Wonderful brother bond! That's some successful genetic material! My dad went to Penn Vet and practiced for over 30 years.
Great respect for your brother! Two of my Dachshunds had neck surgeries by a neurosurgeon. It was offered by a local general vet, but they weren’t specialized in this, worth the extra travel time, and money. Animals need specials like humans.
@@silmuffin86 that vet office was putting their hands into lots of areas where they shouldn’t have been placing them. They ran a 24 hour emergency vet hospital as well, I waited an extra hour for my dog to taken in at other emergency clinic because I don’t trust them, even though he was a true emergency was taken back right as soon as we walk in.
@@delightdelirium1 I don't see how an accurate conclusion could be reached without some epidemiologist input if you wanted to compare how well each system saves lives or results in healthy outcomes.
I've had dozens of dogs over my long life, and thus have turned to many veterinarians for help along the way. They have without exception been warm, kind, and highly skilled people. (I'm afraid that I can't say the same about all docs for humans.) Perhaps veterinary medicine attracts only those who are motivated primarily by compassion and intellectual curiosity? Point is, people in DVM Cellini's profession have brought tremendous aid and comfort to my little guys and myself, and they've done it for comparatively modest returns. So much respect and appreciation!
Vets certainly aren’t in it for the money. They are so whip-smart to be able to practice what they do, and so compassionate and loving towards animals they’re bit by, clawed at, and urinated on daily. They are criminally underpaid.
As a vet nurse, I assure you I'm in this field for the compassion and intellectual curiosity. I have 2 degrees, am licensed, and have 2 additional certifications (Fear Free and Pet Nutrition Coach), and I made $30k last year. I'd say the associate vets I work with made, at most, double that. We are definitely not in this for the money.
@@liv0003Those websites don't really reflect reality. I google the average salary in Australia, for vets and trust me it's NOT reality. Here in Australia many websites say that the average new grad vet salary is 80k-95k+. This is NOT true. The reality is more like 40k-65k. Now compare that to the 300k+ it costs to go through vet school here (or more if you took several years at uni to get into vet school).A senior GP vet would be lucky to earn up to 100k a year. Considering we are professionals that are trained to do everything from dentistry, surgery, radiology, ultrasonography, histopathology, etc... we are criminally underpaid. Also, when a dog gets a blood test, we often call you, the client with results. This won't or rarely happens in human med. You cannot call to speak to a human doctor. You have to pay for a separate consult to get your blood results back. And apparently WE are the expensive ones.
I never realized until now that one physician has patients who can not speak,as in "tell you where it hurts" etc..Also, how PROUD the parents must be raising and witnessing their children become Doctors. That had to be financially a huge endeavor! Thank you Doctors for caring for humans and animals-without you the human race would be extinguished
“now you are putting links on my channel” 😂😂 you two are hilarious together. “I have to interact with patients” hahahahah oh man, growing up together must have been a blast. I love animals and considered vet school for so long, but I wouldn’t be able to see an animal in pain without being able to communicate back.. so I decided med school was the better option haha
This right here is a video I would have loved as a pre-vet in high school and college! i was very torn between the two! I've been watching your channel forever and now i've been watching DVM Cellini since he started! love you guys, very inspirational for us!
I absolutely loved seeing you and your brother interact like this!!!! I had already been following DVM Cellini anyway but it is nice to see you together sometimes!!!!
Just an added note, 2 vet schools (Missouri and Mississippi State) have a program where classes are sped up (8 weeks long and go through June) so that the 3rd and 4th years are doing clinical rotations. It's so much better than 3 and 1 at all the other schools. Also internships/residencies are not a requirement, you can graduate and go into practice making a wide range of money depending on where you are, but cost of living pretty much evens everything out.
You should follow your passion. That’s what I told my son, who is graduating this May from his Veterinarian program at St. George University. He took the GRE and majored in biology and biochemistry and had a good GPA, but not perfect, thus an island school. He has GI bill, loans, a wife and two kids as well as a hella lot motivation. He will intern in Mississippi soon. Good show docs
Tell your son "hello" from a SGUDVM grad. What a great college on a great island! BTW high or low GPA does not mean that someone has to go to an island school. There are buckets full of applicants to each of the Vet Colleges in the USA every year. After years of applying to those colleges, I tried two island colleges. Got accepted into both. I believe that I choose to attend the better of the two.
A former colleague of mine, a DVM/MD , working “human” emergency medicine, had a patient get angry because he wouldn’t prescribe a narcotic for her. She left with a few choice words, finishing by stating “you’re not fit to care for a dog”! His response “oh contrare ma’am” !!
I clicked on this so fast! I’m a veterinary nurse and I work for the neurologist… I love what I do every day, also much harder than human medicine 😉 (PS veterinary staff are waaaayyy underpaid)
I'm a veterinarian whose undergrad degree is in political science and nearly had a minor in film study, so... some of us are crazy and go the complete opposite way like that!
Alright dr cellini’s brother is quite possibly my new favorite person to watch. Ps when he said “I don’t talk salary numbers on TH-cam” …..you actually do lol
As someone who’s trying to decide between med school (with an interest for intervention radiology) and vet school, I really enjoyed that video, it felt both could be my future self hahah!
Yes I loved this and let's see more like it.Since I have such respect for Doctors of both people and dogs this was fascinating. I will look forward to catching more of your videos,Happy New Doctor's!
This was interesting to me as I was a vet tech for 7 years and became a medical assistant in 2014. I found dealing with insurance in human medicine complex. I also enjoyed the perks from drug reps in veterinary medicine better as they had less restrictions. I wore more hats as a vet tech that I would not be allowed to do in human medicine without schooling and certification for these different roles.
You two are very funny together..what about bro #3...the only time we've met him was in Hawaii, I believe. I commend your Mom who I'm sure encouraged you from day one, and also ensured you both saw an orthodontist as children....good on you Mom!! I'm sure we'd all love to hear from your wives too. Ps, dear, little 🐝 is one lucky, little girl.💕
Once when I was a medical technician (human), I worked for a group of pulmonologists. I was a clic X-ray tech, but I wasn't certified. I only took lung Xrays. Well during that time I had taken my 15 pound terrier mix to the emergency vet because he ate a pin cushion that was full of pins and needles. Somehow he didn't swallow any pin nor needles. I was given his Xrays and told to follow up with my regular vet. (The dog lived to be 17 years old and passed away 2021 just before Christmas. He had a grand mal sezure then had a vestibular problem, he didn't recover.) But anyway, I had a funny idea at the time to take his Xray to work. He was a young dog back then. So I hung his film under the light and left it there and didn't say anything. It was not marked like patient films, but it was next to the more serious ones. I took about an hour before I saw one of the specialis staring at it trying to figure out that "something just isn't right" feeling you get. The clinic didn't treat pediatric patients, besides something wasn't even human. I let the puzzled doctors know what I was upto and everyone got a laugh once they realized that the mystery patient was my dog.
The DVM who headed my technician program originally majored in Russian Language, taught English to Japanese business men in Japan. Came back to the states and applied for veterinary school.
GP veterinarian here! The hardest part of veterinary is not the scratches or the low salary or no work-life balance. It is seeing people so emotionally attached to their pet but have not financially prepared for them. You get comment about you are here for the money or don’t you love animals why do you treat it for free?! Got use to the comments now BUT at the end of the day you are so depressed/emotionally exhausted that you couldn’t save the pet because of the owner’s financial situation!
When I applied to vet school, there were 500 applicants for 85 positions. I had med school as my back up if I didn't get into vet school. Thank goodness I got in. It's hard enough dealing with people as a vet!
I am a RN, critical care. Dealing with sick people is bad…pooped on, peed on, puked on, bitten, etc. But I could never work with sick animals. I would be crying all day. My hat is off to the vet techs and vets. ❤️ 🐾🐾
Greetings to bith of You, especially the vet brother. As a DVM in Uruguay we deal with pretty much the same things, except that here the education (whole vet school and the other carrers also) are public, free of cost!!
And yeah that is amazing. Doing a veterinary neurology residency that teaches you BOTH medicine and surgery. I think in the old days that human neurologists also did neurosurgery. But NOT ANYMORE.
My wife went to UGA for her undergrad and DVM and got a masters and did her surgical residency at Ohio State. She finished Ohio State in 92 or 93 and I can tell you those costs were not even remotely close to what they are now, holy smokes. She's a board certified surgeon in Georgia (DACVS). Since COVID she's been cutting 1-4 cases a day 4-5 days a week. When you mention stress levels in vets, it's high. Last time I looked there were just over 800 veterinary surgeons in the US for 35,000,000 pets.
LOVE VETS BECAUSE I LOVE ANIMALS! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT I subscribed to Dr. Jim's site Did your parents expect you both to get grad degrees? Vets help the helpless. Huge blessings for a wonderful life! I can tell you love animals, what a gift! Vet medicine really helps human medicine big time. I read about it frequently.
I am an ordained minister. Education consists of an undergraduate degree, Seminary which is on average 4 to 5 years. Includes 3 years of Greek and two years if Hebrew. Then if you want further education which I did, it may mean 2 to 4 mire years depending on the Doctor of Ministry or the Ph.d track. Most ministers is between 63 and 120k per year.
Vet Tech here, I would love to see the good outcome videos. I am still in school and learning so much, those videos are so helpful to see. It wouldn't violate any HIPAA if you get the owners consent!!!
Recent DVM general practice grad from 2019. To update on loan debt question... My undergrad loans ended at about 60k, my 4yr vet school loan at about 180k. HOWEVER! Due to not having someone who could financially keep me up while I was in vet school (which FYI there is NO possibility of working during school due to the 8-10hr days 5 days, sometimes 7days a week, schedule and still PASS), I also had to take additional grad loans for living expenses.... Grand total of all loan debt to date, about 430k. This is not a rare amount either for many of my classmates, who were also in the same financial boat I was in during school. And yes, I did receive some grants in the mix too during undergrad, so it would have been closer to 440k without them. It's like having a really nice imaginary house... that I will never live in but I'm still paying for. Thankfully, there is a loan payment program based on your income, or I would be completely screwed in debt compared to what I make.
Licensed veterinary technician in general practice here! I actually did a semester of vet school before deciding to be a nurse instead. I'll echo the cost - that semester cost me $20k. I love the part about recovery times for patients. My GP does some spinal surgeries and patients spend about a week in the hospital. If all goes well, they're walking by the time they leave. It really can be rewarding. The part that I felt like wasn't mentioned much is how much of even a neurology specialty overlaps with other specialties. For that kind of specialty, they would need not just radiograph (x ray) capability, but also CT and probably MRI. Which means you need diagnostic imaging expertise. Also for neurosurgery, you have to have anesthesia and surgical experience. For the most part, there would be only one DVM in attendance in most surgery, with a tech or two around to monitor anesthesia or scrubbed in to assist. Staffing is a lot more limited. The only surgeries I've ever seen require 2 DVMs in attendance are diaphragmatic hernia repairs and bone plates - and I'm not even sure if the latter is truly required. Then add in that you need to have expertise in usually at least two species. I feel that neurology tends to lean more toward canine medicine (due to dachshunds with back problems), but most require knowledge of at least two species. Cats and dogs might as well be from two different planets lol. Also going to point out that of all of the veterinary specialties, neurology is probably the emotional equivalent of being an oncologist in human medicine. Paralysis from spinal injury only has a very small window where it will respond to surgical intervention - if it even will - before the damage becomes permanent. Basically, if that patient doesn't have surgery in a 24 hour time span, it's never going to walk again, surgery or not. And the odds are about 50/50 if the patient is fully paralyzed (as opposed to having limb weakness). So as a neurologist, Dr. Celini DVM probably sees cases on a regular basis he knows he can't truly fix. It's kind of a depressing specialty at times, though it can also be rewarding. Thanks to both of you for doing this - I loved seeing the comparison as someone who has only ever been on the veterinary side of the aisle.
I work at a veterinary specialty hospital that has all the specialties; Neurology, Opthomology, Medical Oncology, Radition Oncology, Internal Medicine, Surgery, ER. I've talked to our associate doctors and it's shocking at how little they make, you touched on that. I think that is veterinary staff in general though, you get paid very little for a very taxing job that takes it's toll on you mentally and physically. We have had our doctors tell clients they need to talk to them respectfully or they will no longer continue the conversation. It seems that DVM's get more disrespect that human doctors, no one seems to know why though. The suicide rate among the DVM's is indeed very high and it's sad that it took Dr. Sophia Yin death to bring that issue to light.
I really want to see someday, the government start to care about pets as they're a huge part of the american lifestyle, and subsidize vet care!! Of course, we haven't even properly set up healthcare for people yet so I doubt it'll be in my lifetime...
I graduated medical school in 1983. Our class is only 15% female. One of those women was actually a professor of literature who was changing professions. So you do sometimes see English majors in medical school. One of the best doctors I know was a social work major undergraduate. That said, medical school is very hard and you give yourself a leg up by taking many of the same courses- anatomy, physiology, chemistry through organic chemistry, statistics, and the like. I work 30 hours a week undergraduate and still graduated in 2 1/2 years with a 3.9 grade point and three publications. That was actually what it took for a female who was not from a wealthy family who are from a doctor family with doctors to get into medical school 50 years ago. I was always very good at chemistry. And before I went to medical school I had a job creating new light microscope dying systems to show up organelles in cells. In the bio chemistry class in medical school, I had not had bio chemistry before. And I had a very hard time with it. I studied really hard and managed to pull a B minus. I was the next last person out of 175 to leave the final exam for the bio chemistry class. Before we left the room, we were supposed to sign a piece of paper to indicate how many semesters of bio chemistry we had taken before this class. There were three different pages. One for more than 2, another page for 1-2, and another page for none. I was the first person to put my name on the page the label, “none.“ I Understood then why that biochemistry Class have been so hard. It also made me think that it’s probably a good idea to take the undergraduate version of whatever courses you have to take in medical school. That Will free up time to learn all the other things you have to learn to be a Doctor Who doesn’t kill people.
I’m an RVT and work with a lot of vet students from Ohio State and I would NEVER go to vet school. I would rather owe the same amount of money on a house than student loans.
I majored in English Literature and Creative Writing. Started vet school in 2019. If you want your entrance and scholarship essays on point, I can’t stress the importance of composition enough! It’s not all about the sciences :)
Vets are way better at end of life care. They are honest about the situation, they ask you what you want for your loved one, they are so compassionate.
Three things: A. I’ll bet your family is really, really fun at gatherings. B. Lately, every time I’ve been to the vet my fees have been staggering so I think there’s beginning to be somewhat of a salary parity going on. C. I’m sure some of the pay scale difference is because of insurance and maybe because we’re seeing more pet insurance advertising, vet visits are $$$$$ now.
3rd Vet student here, unfortunately, we are still nowhere near salary parity. The fees are “staggering” due to a difference in funding and an increase in cost of purchase for things we need to operate. A lot of the equipment, drugs, etc. are the same as human medicine and have the exact same price to buy, yet, veterinary medicine doesn’t receive nearly as much funding as human hospitals to help with the cost of purchase. Majority of our clients do not have pet insurance and so clients often see 100% of the cost without being subsidized by insurance. If you compare the cost of human medicine (without insurance), to the cost of veterinary medicine you would realize that the treatment you are getting from your vet is a steal considering it’s the same equipment, drugs, expertise etc.
Very nice video :) I'm an Italian vet who married a US soldier shortly after graduating, and went through ECFVG to get a US license. I really would love to go through a residency, but with a family (we have 2 young children) those hours and those salaries are absolutely not substainable, unless you have a spouse who works very few hours a week and makes a lot of money...
And then there is my respirologist. She went to vet school and became a licensed veterinarian. Then she went to human medical school and became a respirologist (pulmonologist). I've heard more than once that being a vet is like being a pediatrician. Your patients cannot tell you where it hurts or how bad it hurts.
So just a note , I graduated with a bachelor of fine arts had a great career in fashion design but I've always wanted to be a vet. I worked at hospitals through out college , took my pre-requisites while still working my full-time 9-5 and I got into vet school. So you can most definitely get in with your BFA . ( P.S. Sorry if my english writing is bad , its not my first language )
As a physician, I find it hard enough to deal with the differences between male, female, younger and older patients. I can't imagine how vets manage to treat different SPECIES. Unreal!
yeah that's crazyyy...Imagine being half time physician and half time veterinary tho. that has to be the rarest combo on planet Earth.
We learn 23 in school!
As a GP veterinary nurse, it's honestly just a way of life. It's a lot to learn and I am continually learning new things about various species, but we don't really think about it. When I'm on the dog side of the building, I put on my canine medicine cap, and on the cat side I put on my feline medicine cap. 😅 I work in predominantly small animal, so it's mostly just the two. Then again, I have also anesthetized an African bullfrog, taken rads on a guinea pig, placed a jugular IV catheter in a calf, and performed CPR on a mini pig. All at the same clinic.
When it gets wild is when you start considering diagnostic imaging, anesthesia, surgery, and dentistry all going on under the same roof. Most GPs don't have the luxury of a board certified specialist in house, so you have to be competent in pretty much every aspect of medicine at once. (And most meds are filled in house, so no pharmacist available to help.) My GP is sort of the extreme, but we do orthopedic surgery and some neurosurgical procedures in house, as well as our own CT interpretations. I'm pretty sure we have a nephrectomy coming up as well.
Also have to tell you that you have not lived until you've been involved in a C-section on a canine patient. My biggest litter to date has been nine (which honestly isn't even impressive) and it is mass chaos trying to get 9 puppies to breathe at the same time while the only DVM in the building is scrubbed into surgery and trying to stuff 2 feet of uterine horns back into the abdominal incision.
@@superjello3979 wow! Big ups to you! I was a biology major when my (previous) boyfriend's Golden Retriever went into labor and his dad called me to come deliver the pups. I grabbed scissors, dental floss and towels and hyperventated right along with Momma as she birthed healthy pups...my biggest fear was losing one. I did freak out when a few came out in intact sacs! Momma didn't break them, so I did. It was definitely unforgettable, even though about 25 years ago now.
@Laughingathwrld Only if you're delusional.
For me, dealing with the human aspect is by far the worst part of being a vet. Watching animals suffer due to the owner's greed, stupidity, and often noncompliance is disheartening. The flat out verbal abuse from clients had gotten exponentially worse over the past 2 years. It's gotten so bad that clinics in my area are sending out letters stating that if they can't speak to staff with respect then they're business isn't welcome.
Also, so often a client comes in, says do every diagnostic/ treatment available. Then it comes time to check out and they say "I don't get paid until next week. I only have $25." People don't do this for any other service- why do they think it's ok at a vet? You don't stand in line, have the cashier ring up your groceries, then say I'll have pay you later!!!
Also in vet med- it's been terrible. The first 6 months to a year, people were super nice bc we were "essential". Now we're in hell. I see a lot of people trying to vet hop so they can find someone who won't enforce curbside service. If the first words out of a potential new client's mouth are "ARE YOU LETTING PEOPLE COME INSIDE" I will likely tell you we're not accepting new clients...
As someone who also works in vet med, this strikes home. The verbal abuse has taken a toll, along with burnout. In my area, many veterinary practices have lost doctors and staff due to burnout and stress. Even our emergency veterinary practices cannot run the same way they used to. Things have been tough. I sympathize with you.
I am currently going to school to be a nurse in pediatrics.. I just wanted to say thank you so much to every one of you. All the vets I've met have taken great care of my kitty when I'd bring her in for her shots and or concerns (I'm and very protective pet owner) and no matter how much a visit is you all do such an amazing job and I love my little fur baby. Thank you so much.
No way... all my this time in my environment people saids that in USA (I'm from MX) Veterinarians have a better status, but now I can see that we are exposeded exactly the same way. somebody sayid mi yesterday that day by day, less people want to work as an small animal vet, is that really?
You're very right
Dealing with patients and their owners takes a special skill as does parenting. My cheers goes to vet Dr. Cellini.
This is facts
As a human nurse and dog mom, I have to agree. I constantly apologize to our vet and his staff because my boy just hates to go there. He is definitely muzzled, though, and has been professionally trained, but after getting his temp taken, his manners kinds go.
and don't let me start with hematology, in Vet, I have to remember and recognised at least 9 species of different blood cells. There is also difference between breeds.
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My husband was a third generation medic. He worked on an ambulance during college. His brother was killed in a car accident. He didn’t cry. He took an elder cat who had tachycardia to the vet. When he came home without the cat he insisted I leave with him. He drove to a parking lot, sat in the car and nearly cried, obviously traumatized.
Our planet needs to appreciate Veterinarians more! They're skilled and amazing!
My dog is a rescue who was shot through the brain as a puppy, (before we even knew he existed,) A veterinary college took him in and nursed him to health over the span of a year, and took him from a coma, to a paralyzed dog, to a fully happy but partially blind puppy!
He suffered with seizures for three years once I adopted him, but hasn’t had one single seizure in the last 18 months. Thank you to veterinarians and veterinary specialists for all they do. Nobody can even tell my dog is disabled, and his quality of life is just like any other puppy around. God bless you for all you do! I couldn’t imagine life without my doggy! Miracle workers!!
Veterinarian here! My sister has one year left of med school, and I can totally see us doing something like this in the future. We're both very supportive of each other, and it was fun to see that in your relationship, too!
how is being a veterinarian?
LOVED having your brother on, would love to see more of you two together. Such a smart family!
Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it!
I love this! I have been a specialty veterinary technician for over 16 years now and the amount of scrutiny and disregard we go under is so hard. we still are not treated as medical professionals by most of the community. Yay for vet med education.
Prech! 15+ yrs LVT. Mainly surgey. Went from er tech, to surgey, head sx tech. Surgey tech supervisor, to surgery/specialty tech supervisor. I moved and now I'm happily just a plan ol er tech lol 😆 😅 (I might be a little out of practice on a few things for on er floor lol)
I’m a certified veterinary technician and though my focus is emergency and critical care, I have a soft spot for neuro after I had a post op hemilaminectomy beagle patient that I ended up adopting. Went from being unable to control his back legs or bladder to running. Was wagging his little tail when he woke up from anesthesia. Thank you veterinary neurosurgeons! ❤️
Fellow CVT here! I have a cat I adopted with Horner's syndrome and bilateral nystagmus following head trauma (HBC). It definitely makes you appreciate neuro.
Much respect to you in ECC work. I work in a weirdly specialized GP and it feels like I somehow stumble onto the majority of the emergent cases that come in and it is intense. Props to anyone who can do that for a living.
Being a full time VT myself, I would agree with your brother on the aspects of getting pooped on, peed on, vomited on, scratched to hell, and bit on a regular basis. I have the scars to prove it and so do all of the Vets I work with, as well as the other techs. It’s a rather physically and emotionally taxing job to not get paid for what the value is of helping and saving animal lives. Unfortunately I feel that until we begin to honor animal life, as we do that of humans, the pay out is not going to change. Hopefully it will some day! But one cannot sustain themselves and potentially others on an annual income of less than 30K and have good quality of life in the states, unfortunately.
Rant aside, great video! Thanks for the perspective.
thank you!
Amen! I want to keep doing my job, I do enjoy it, but I can’t survive. 😔
Also a tech and I couldn't agree more !
This. Second year vet and I've already started accumulating scars from work placements.
Yeah, I definitely agree. This is difficult though. The extra money has to come from somewhere. Where? I kind of think insurance companies, but then that's just another pain in the ass on the vet clinic staff has to deal with
My dog once got knocked by a car and was paralysed. He was dragging his feet around. The vet gave him something and in about 2 weeks, he was walking again. He had peed on the vet. I've never loved a person more than I loved that vet.
I found this both interesting and entertaining. I am a UCDavis graduate from the School of Veterinary Medicine (1994) and one thing that you might mention is that after our 4th year in clinical rotations, we can begin practice immediately and are not required to complete a residency program as are human physicians. I think this debate between the two disciplines will go on in perpetuity. I like to joke with MDs, “how many species do you work on?”
Real doctors treat more than one species! 😁👍 lol my favorite saying throughout my vet career
How do I get into UC Davis?
Good deal! I'm from Benicia & all my pets went to Steven Krome. I believe he bought a practice in Walnut Creek. Wonderful fellow!
Dr. vet Cellini god bless you for dedicating your life to helping animals. You are appreciated beyond measure
I just subscribed to your channel 🙏🙏🐼🐼
@@alanna4148 thank you!
I agree.
As a vet, thank you both for this clarifying discussion! So many important points made!! Good humor, too. 👏. Also 👍Not One More Vet 🙏
Could you explain me what is behind of that phrase (not one more vet)?
Find the page on FB. It is a movement to support the mental health of veterinarians, to lessen the incidence of suicide in the profession.
I actually love this brother dynamic, this was so fun! Do more videos together! Did your parents strongly encourage med school for everyone? Or did you all just happen to like this field?
Jim is so hilarious, he can tell joke with an absolute straight face, love him!
Definitely harder to get into vet school than med school in parts of Canada. We have only a few vet schools and what school you're allowed to go to depends on what province you're a resident of. My province has 1-2 seats a year. Ultimately those odds are what made me fully give up on wanting to be a vet. It was my final straw after acknowledging the issues with other things like the lower income, the "only in it for the money" comments, seeing the neglect, and more. So much respect for my dogs vets!
I graduated medical school 1983. I’ve also rescued 56 dogs in my life. I’m almost always the only person in the rescue group that has any sort of healthcare training so I get all the sick dogs.
This means I have spent a lot of time in veterinary offices.
Veterinarian that I have seen the most often in the last 35 years is Dr. G.
One day, out of the blue, Dr. G said to me, “do you know veterinarians have higher IQs then do medical doctors.“
I was surprised by his statement. If anyone would’ve asked me, I would’ve guessed that the IQ was about the same for MDs and DVMs.
I asked him how he had come to that conclusion. He said that they were fewer veterinary school so it’s obviously harder to get to that school.
Dr. G had previously told me he had a hard time with the statistics course in his veterinary school. After I heard his statement I wasn’t surprised that he had a hard time with statistics.
How hard it is to obtain a position is dependent on how many people apply for that position.
What matters is how many people apply relative to the number of positions.
Many more people apply to medical school than veterinary school.
So just a number of positions in the vet school or med school is not an indication of how hard it is to get in.
When I had time I looked it up. Both veterinarians and MDs, on the average have an IQ two standard deviations above the normal mean. That is A score on the Weschler adult intelligence scale (WAIS) of about 132.
I don’t really understand why people have to decide which profession is morally superior. I would say both MDs and DVMs are probably morally superior to many professions but I don’t see how you could decide we are whether DVM or an MD is morally superior to each other.
Mixed animal veterinarian here. Love the video! Glad that TH-cam brought this in my recommended feed. I work on primarily cats and dogs, along with cattle, sheep, goats, and horses. I will say as an add-on that doesn't get much attention, vets who work with farm/large animals tend to have the most demanding physical strains.
I work in a general practice with 3 other vets at least 20-30 years older than me. All of them worked with large animals throughout their careers and all of them either have bad shoulders, bad knees, or a bad back. Now I am the only one taking care of all of our big patients. As much as I do enjoy going out on farm calls, it's a reality I will have to look forward to in my future. Large animal vets in general are much more difficult to come by and are in such high demand.
As a vet student whow I'll likely go into small animal GP, I have so much respect for your largies and mixed animal vets! It's not easy for sure, so dangerous and so challenging. I love largies, but I don't think I could ever do the stuff you guys do. Keep up the great work!
Then solving a dystocia must be painful to them😅😅😅
When I was a 4th year at Oregon State one of our medicine residents was on food stamps to support their family.
Not shaming food stamps, just an example of how challenging residency programs are financially.
The number of hours our large animal residents were on call was just unbelievable.
would you be able to talk me something about how is to do a residency program in USA as a foreing?
@@edz6388 That’s all I do not know much about. I do know that we had interns and residents with work visas. I would assume, you would find the school you are interested at doing a residency at And have to apply.
@@DogDocLou thank you very much, that's very helpful to me. I know that residents have a payment about 30k/y, but a do t know if that's true for every single speciality.
This was hilarious!!! I hope you did a few more vlogs while together. DVM Cellini I hope you will do more vlogs on your channel.
We will. Don’t you worry!
As a veterinary internist I agree with your take on myth of “vet school is harder to get into than med school” - totally agree in reality med school is likely more competitive. Thanks for touching on that
I have DVM degree and whoa I agree on what your brother said. Vet practitioner deserve more for what they do. Long hours of working with little pay, not to mention the emotional burden. Due to this I don't work as practitioner and instead work in veterinary pharmaceutical. I just can't deal with all of that... So kudos to all veterinarian! Ofcourse the upside of it, is really rewarding. Seeing a patient that almost dying to be healthy again is just amazing, but being frustated at untreatable case is also devastating... I know we should just focus on what we can do, but for me the emotional burden is just too much :")
So true! I have a few questions though. Do you have to have a DVM degree to get into Veterinary Pharmaceutical? What's that field like and also do you think the pay is good?
@@breanamarksman5759 it depends on the jobdesk. Because I'm resposible for research and registration of veterinary drugs therefore it need DVM degree. Some technical service/sales position in veterinary pharmaceuticals also need DVM degree. For my position as regulatory affairs the payment is quite decent, but the real upside of it is ofcourse fixed working hours unlike vet practitioner
I had no idea your brother was a veterinarian! I've been waiting for a video like this, where a human physician and veterinarian compare their jobs, etc. And funny thing is, I'm on my neuro rotation right now! Thanks for doing this video!
You both seem so kind and are obviously so incredibly bright! Wonderful brother bond! That's some successful genetic material! My dad went to Penn Vet and practiced for over 30 years.
Love that
Great respect for your brother! Two of my Dachshunds had neck surgeries by a neurosurgeon. It was offered by a local general vet, but they weren’t specialized in this, worth the extra travel time, and money. Animals need specials like humans.
I've never heard of a GP vet doing neurosurgery :O ortho maybe, neuro never :O
@@silmuffin86 that vet office was putting their hands into lots of areas where they shouldn’t have been placing them. They ran a 24 hour emergency vet hospital as well, I waited an extra hour for my dog to taken in at other emergency clinic because I don’t trust them, even though he was a true emergency was taken back right as soon as we walk in.
Two of my favorite TH-camrs in one video!! Love both of you and ya all are hysterical together.
Ayyye. Glad you like it!
As a Veterinary Technician I'd like to know the differences in support staff and how critical they are to both Human and Veterinary Medicine.
Oooh, that would be a great video. Get an ER nurse v ER tech, and then general practice nurse v small animal tech.
@@delightdelirium1 I don't see how an accurate conclusion could be reached without some epidemiologist input if you wanted to compare how well each system saves lives or results in healthy outcomes.
I would love these answers, I feel life vet nurses do so much more than human
I've had dozens of dogs over my long life, and thus have turned to many veterinarians for help along the way. They have without exception been warm, kind, and highly skilled people. (I'm afraid that I can't say the same about all docs for humans.) Perhaps veterinary medicine attracts only those who are motivated primarily by compassion and intellectual curiosity? Point is, people in DVM Cellini's profession have brought tremendous aid and comfort to my little guys and myself, and they've done it for comparatively modest returns. So much respect and appreciation!
Vets certainly aren’t in it for the money. They are so whip-smart to be able to practice what they do, and so compassionate and loving towards animals they’re bit by, clawed at, and urinated on daily.
They are criminally underpaid.
As a vet nurse, I assure you I'm in this field for the compassion and intellectual curiosity. I have 2 degrees, am licensed, and have 2 additional certifications (Fear Free and Pet Nutrition Coach), and I made $30k last year. I'd say the associate vets I work with made, at most, double that. We are definitely not in this for the money.
@@Fortune_44 actually if you check out the average salary for a veterinarian is $113,590 per year in the United States. Not bad in my opinion
Absolutely
@@liv0003Those websites don't really reflect reality. I google the average salary in Australia, for vets and trust me it's NOT reality. Here in Australia many websites say that the average new grad vet salary is 80k-95k+. This is NOT true. The reality is more like 40k-65k. Now compare that to the 300k+ it costs to go through vet school here (or more if you took several years at uni to get into vet school).A senior GP vet would be lucky to earn up to 100k a year. Considering we are professionals that are trained to do everything from dentistry, surgery, radiology, ultrasonography, histopathology, etc... we are criminally underpaid.
Also, when a dog gets a blood test, we often call you, the client with results. This won't or rarely happens in human med. You cannot call to speak to a human doctor. You have to pay for a separate consult to get your blood results back. And apparently WE are the expensive ones.
Just got accepted into veterinary school so this is highly entertaining to see!!
Leave. Seriously , you will never be happy
Congratulations! 😊
@@nltnlt1700huh?
As a retired MD gastroenterologist, getting bit, pooped or peed on, vomited on, bled on are not limited to veterinarians!!
Lol
I was gearing up to argue that most vets experience it more frequently than MDs, but then I re-read gastroenterologist. I'll let you have this one! Ha
I never realized until now that one physician has patients who can not speak,as in "tell you where it hurts" etc..Also, how PROUD the parents must be raising and witnessing their children become Doctors. That had to be financially a huge endeavor! Thank you Doctors for caring for humans and animals-without you the human race would be extinguished
Omg the brother dynamic is hilarious 😂
“now you are putting links on my channel” 😂😂 you two are hilarious together.
“I have to interact with patients” hahahahah oh man, growing up together must have been a blast.
I love animals and considered vet school for so long, but I wouldn’t be able to see an animal in pain without being able to communicate back.. so I decided med school was the better option haha
This right here is a video I would have loved as a pre-vet in high school and college! i was very torn between the two! I've been watching your channel forever and now i've been watching DVM Cellini since he started! love you guys, very inspirational for us!
Your brother has a good sense of humour! On another note, I admire vets, it would be a tough gig I imagine.
I absolutely loved seeing you and your brother interact like this!!!! I had already been following DVM Cellini anyway but it is nice to see you together sometimes!!!!
Just an added note, 2 vet schools (Missouri and Mississippi State) have a program where classes are sped up (8 weeks long and go through June) so that the 3rd and 4th years are doing clinical rotations. It's so much better than 3 and 1 at all the other schools. Also internships/residencies are not a requirement, you can graduate and go into practice making a wide range of money depending on where you are, but cost of living pretty much evens everything out.
I love the interaction between you and your brother and I love this video,hope to see more videos with you guys.
I love the brother dynamic! Your guys are so funny. I know you’re busy, but I’d love more videos together!
You should follow your passion. That’s what I told my son, who is graduating this May from his Veterinarian program at St. George University. He took the GRE and majored in biology and biochemistry and had a good GPA, but not perfect, thus an island school. He has GI bill, loans, a wife and two kids as well as a hella lot motivation. He will intern in Mississippi soon. Good show docs
Tell your son "hello" from a SGUDVM grad. What a great college on a great island! BTW high or low GPA does not mean that someone has to go to an island school. There are buckets full of applicants to each of the Vet Colleges in the USA every year. After years of applying to those colleges, I tried two island colleges. Got accepted into both. I believe that I choose to attend the better of the two.
A former colleague of mine, a DVM/MD , working “human” emergency medicine, had a patient get angry because he wouldn’t prescribe a narcotic for her.
She left with a few choice words, finishing by stating “you’re not fit to care for a dog”! His response “oh contrare ma’am” !!
I clicked on this so fast! I’m a veterinary nurse and I work for the neurologist… I love what I do every day, also much harder than human medicine 😉 (PS veterinary staff are waaaayyy underpaid)
I'm a veterinarian whose undergrad degree is in political science and nearly had a minor in film study, so... some of us are crazy and go the complete opposite way like that!
I did a literature degree and now in vet school, it's harder for me for sure though.
Alright dr cellini’s brother is quite possibly my new favorite person to watch. Ps when he said “I don’t talk salary numbers on TH-cam” …..you actually do lol
😂 I know right
@@DVMCellini oh my gosh. I’m fan girling. Shoutout from stl!!
The interventional cardiologist I scribe for, his bachelor's was in computer science!
As someone who’s trying to decide between med school (with an interest for intervention radiology) and vet school, I really enjoyed that video, it felt both could be my future self hahah!
I am also a veterinarian student ...
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Yes I loved this and let's see more like it.Since I have such respect for Doctors of both people and dogs this was fascinating. I will look forward to catching more of your videos,Happy New Doctor's!
This was interesting to me as I was a vet tech for 7 years and became a medical assistant in 2014. I found dealing with insurance in human medicine complex. I also enjoyed the perks from drug reps in veterinary medicine better as they had less restrictions. I wore more hats as a vet tech that I would not be allowed to do in human medicine without schooling and certification for these different roles.
Such fun dynamic these brothers have. Enjoyed watching our doc brothers 😊
You two are very funny together..what about bro #3...the only time we've met him was in Hawaii, I believe.
I commend your Mom who I'm sure encouraged you from day one, and also ensured you both saw an orthodontist as children....good on you Mom!!
I'm sure we'd all love to hear from your wives too.
Ps, dear, little 🐝 is one lucky, little girl.💕
Peed on, pooped on, vomited on, scratched, bit….I am a pediatrician…sounds like my day!
ONLY $120,000 for vet school (and including some cost from undergrad)? I wish... *cries in 2022 vet school tuition*
Lol I’ll be at the $250k mark.
Once when I was a medical technician (human), I worked for a group of pulmonologists. I was a clic X-ray tech, but I wasn't certified. I only took lung Xrays.
Well during that time I had taken my 15 pound terrier mix to the emergency vet because he ate a pin cushion that was full of pins and needles. Somehow he didn't swallow any pin nor needles. I was given his Xrays and told to follow up with my regular vet. (The dog lived to be 17 years old and passed away 2021 just before Christmas. He had a grand mal sezure then had a vestibular problem, he didn't recover.)
But anyway, I had a funny idea at the time to take his Xray to work. He was a young dog back then.
So I hung his film under the light and left it there and didn't say anything. It was not marked like patient films, but it was next to the more serious ones. I took about an hour before I saw one of the specialis staring at it trying to figure out that "something just isn't right" feeling you get.
The clinic didn't treat pediatric patients, besides something wasn't even human. I let the puzzled doctors know what I was upto and everyone got a laugh once they realized that the mystery patient was my dog.
The DVM who headed my technician program originally majored in Russian Language, taught English to Japanese business men in Japan. Came back to the states and applied for veterinary school.
I would love to see the outcomes and in general more of you together, it was really entertaining! All the best for you 2 ^^
To cute to sweet to funny to smart ...more with your brother...parents so proud.
The collab we’ve all been waiting for
Love this video!!!
I want to thank you both for being there for man and beast. Loving this channel ❤ 😍 Smiling as I listen here.
GP veterinarian here! The hardest part of veterinary is not the scratches or the low salary or no work-life balance. It is seeing people so emotionally attached to their pet but have not financially prepared for them. You get comment about you are here for the money or don’t you love animals why do you treat it for free?! Got use to the comments now BUT at the end of the day you are so depressed/emotionally exhausted that you couldn’t save the pet because of the owner’s financial situation!
We need to start normalizing insurance for pets. It should be something to talk about with every client.
Loved this video!! Thanks 🙏🏼 to you both for your gifts that help many!!
When I applied to vet school, there were 500 applicants for 85 positions. I had med school as my back up if I didn't get into vet school. Thank goodness I got in. It's hard enough dealing with people as a vet!
I've told a couple of my chemistry students who are pre-vet "I wouldn't want to pay so much and commit so much time to school to end up so poor."
I am a RN, critical care. Dealing with sick people is bad…pooped on, peed on, puked on, bitten, etc. But I could never work with sick animals. I would be crying all day. My hat is off to the vet techs and vets. ❤️ 🐾🐾
I send greetings for you both great Doctors . Thank you 👍
Hi Michael! Happy New Year! OMG I can see the family resemblance ! :P
Thanks! You too
Greetings to bith of You, especially the vet brother.
As a DVM in Uruguay we deal with pretty much the same things, except that here the education (whole vet school and the other carrers also) are public, free of cost!!
Love these brothers...they're definitely a vibe.
And yeah that is amazing. Doing a veterinary neurology residency that teaches you BOTH medicine and surgery. I think in the old days that human neurologists also did neurosurgery. But NOT ANYMORE.
My wife went to UGA for her undergrad and DVM and got a masters and did her surgical residency at Ohio State. She finished Ohio State in 92 or 93 and I can tell you those costs were not even remotely close to what they are now, holy smokes. She's a board certified surgeon in Georgia (DACVS). Since COVID she's been cutting 1-4 cases a day 4-5 days a week. When you mention stress levels in vets, it's high. Last time I looked there were just over 800 veterinary surgeons in the US for 35,000,000 pets.
LOVE VETS BECAUSE I LOVE ANIMALS! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT
I subscribed to Dr. Jim's site
Did your parents expect you both to get grad degrees? Vets help the helpless. Huge blessings for a wonderful life! I can tell you love animals, what a gift! Vet medicine really helps human medicine big time. I read about it frequently.
As an emergency nurse I find these fascinating ❤️🥸🐈🏨💒☮️✝️✡️🕢🇺🇸🇮🇱
I am an ordained minister. Education consists of an undergraduate degree, Seminary which is on average 4 to 5 years. Includes 3 years of Greek and two years if Hebrew. Then if you want further education which I did, it may mean 2 to 4 mire years depending on the Doctor of Ministry or the Ph.d track. Most ministers is between 63 and 120k per year.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
And with great benefits, at least in my denomination.
Besides the topic- I love the interaction between brothers. It's so entertaining I don't know how..
Vet Tech here, I would love to see the good outcome videos. I am still in school and learning so much, those videos are so helpful to see. It wouldn't violate any HIPAA if you get the owners consent!!!
Yay! I'm from Dominica where Ross University was, and used to work at St.Georges in Grenada. Thanks for the shout out
Recent DVM general practice grad from 2019. To update on loan debt question... My undergrad loans ended at about 60k, my 4yr vet school loan at about 180k. HOWEVER! Due to not having someone who could financially keep me up while I was in vet school (which FYI there is NO possibility of working during school due to the 8-10hr days 5 days, sometimes 7days a week, schedule and still PASS), I also had to take additional grad loans for living expenses.... Grand total of all loan debt to date, about 430k. This is not a rare amount either for many of my classmates, who were also in the same financial boat I was in during school. And yes, I did receive some grants in the mix too during undergrad, so it would have been closer to 440k without them. It's like having a really nice imaginary house... that I will never live in but I'm still paying for. Thankfully, there is a loan payment program based on your income, or I would be completely screwed in debt compared to what I make.
I was making more at the front desk of our ER practice than our interns. I tried to be kind to them as much as I could.
Okay that’s totally why I thought you both looked like twins in the thumbnail! Super Cellini Dr. Bros!
Licensed veterinary technician in general practice here! I actually did a semester of vet school before deciding to be a nurse instead. I'll echo the cost - that semester cost me $20k.
I love the part about recovery times for patients. My GP does some spinal surgeries and patients spend about a week in the hospital. If all goes well, they're walking by the time they leave. It really can be rewarding.
The part that I felt like wasn't mentioned much is how much of even a neurology specialty overlaps with other specialties. For that kind of specialty, they would need not just radiograph (x ray) capability, but also CT and probably MRI. Which means you need diagnostic imaging expertise. Also for neurosurgery, you have to have anesthesia and surgical experience. For the most part, there would be only one DVM in attendance in most surgery, with a tech or two around to monitor anesthesia or scrubbed in to assist. Staffing is a lot more limited. The only surgeries I've ever seen require 2 DVMs in attendance are diaphragmatic hernia repairs and bone plates - and I'm not even sure if the latter is truly required.
Then add in that you need to have expertise in usually at least two species. I feel that neurology tends to lean more toward canine medicine (due to dachshunds with back problems), but most require knowledge of at least two species. Cats and dogs might as well be from two different planets lol.
Also going to point out that of all of the veterinary specialties, neurology is probably the emotional equivalent of being an oncologist in human medicine. Paralysis from spinal injury only has a very small window where it will respond to surgical intervention - if it even will - before the damage becomes permanent. Basically, if that patient doesn't have surgery in a 24 hour time span, it's never going to walk again, surgery or not. And the odds are about 50/50 if the patient is fully paralyzed (as opposed to having limb weakness). So as a neurologist, Dr. Celini DVM probably sees cases on a regular basis he knows he can't truly fix. It's kind of a depressing specialty at times, though it can also be rewarding.
Thanks to both of you for doing this - I loved seeing the comparison as someone who has only ever been on the veterinary side of the aisle.
I work at a veterinary specialty hospital that has all the specialties; Neurology, Opthomology, Medical Oncology, Radition Oncology, Internal Medicine, Surgery, ER. I've talked to our associate doctors and it's shocking at how little they make, you touched on that. I think that is veterinary staff in general though, you get paid very little for a very taxing job that takes it's toll on you mentally and physically.
We have had our doctors tell clients they need to talk to them respectfully or they will no longer continue the conversation. It seems that DVM's get more disrespect that human doctors, no one seems to know why though. The suicide rate among the DVM's is indeed very high and it's sad that it took Dr. Sophia Yin death to bring that issue to light.
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I really want to see someday, the government start to care about pets as they're a huge part of the american lifestyle, and subsidize vet care!! Of course, we haven't even properly set up healthcare for people yet so I doubt it'll be in my lifetime...
I graduated medical school in 1983. Our class is only 15% female. One of those women was actually a professor of literature who was changing professions.
So you do sometimes see English majors in medical school. One of the best doctors I know was a social work major undergraduate.
That said, medical school is very hard and you give yourself a leg up by taking many of the same courses- anatomy, physiology, chemistry through organic chemistry, statistics, and the like.
I work 30 hours a week undergraduate and still graduated in 2 1/2 years with a 3.9 grade point and three publications. That was actually what it took for a female who was not from a wealthy family who are from a doctor family with doctors to get into medical school 50 years ago.
I was always very good at chemistry. And before I went to medical school I had a job creating new light microscope dying systems to show up organelles in cells.
In the bio chemistry class in medical school, I had not had bio chemistry before. And I had a very hard time with it. I studied really hard and managed to pull a B minus.
I was the next last person out of 175 to leave the final exam for the bio chemistry class. Before we left the room, we were supposed to sign a piece of paper to indicate how many semesters of bio chemistry we had taken before this class. There were three different pages. One for more than 2, another page for 1-2, and another page for none. I was the first person to put my name on the page the label, “none.“
I Understood then why that biochemistry Class have been so hard. It also made me think that it’s probably a good idea to take the undergraduate version of whatever courses you have to take in medical school. That Will free up time to learn all the other things you have to learn to be a Doctor Who doesn’t kill people.
DVMs represent! Just a GP though.. jack of all trades ;)
I’m an RVT and work with a lot of vet students from Ohio State and I would NEVER go to vet school. I would rather owe the same amount of money on a house than student loans.
I LOVE this video you guys are hilarious, and the violation of HIPPA at the end lmao.
I majored in English Literature and Creative Writing. Started vet school in 2019. If you want your entrance and scholarship essays on point, I can’t stress the importance of composition enough! It’s not all about the sciences :)
As someone contemplating veterinary medicine, this is helpful
Vets are way better at end of life care. They are honest about the situation, they ask you what you want for your loved one, they are so compassionate.
I feel like the title should be physician vs veterinarian…both are doctors!
Three things: A. I’ll bet your family is really, really fun at gatherings. B. Lately, every time I’ve been to the vet my fees have been staggering so I think there’s beginning to be somewhat of a salary parity going on. C. I’m sure some of the pay scale difference is because of insurance and maybe because we’re seeing more pet insurance advertising, vet visits are $$$$$ now.
3rd Vet student here, unfortunately, we are still nowhere near salary parity. The fees are “staggering” due to a difference in funding and an increase in cost of purchase for things we need to operate. A lot of the equipment, drugs, etc. are the same as human medicine and have the exact same price to buy, yet, veterinary medicine doesn’t receive nearly as much funding as human hospitals to help with the cost of purchase. Majority of our clients do not have pet insurance and so clients often see 100% of the cost without being subsidized by insurance. If you compare the cost of human medicine (without insurance), to the cost of veterinary medicine you would realize that the treatment you are getting from your vet is a steal considering it’s the same equipment, drugs, expertise etc.
A relly good video so fun👍😂♥️
Very nice video :) I'm an Italian vet who married a US soldier shortly after graduating, and went through ECFVG to get a US license. I really would love to go through a residency, but with a family (we have 2 young children) those hours and those salaries are absolutely not substainable, unless you have a spouse who works very few hours a week and makes a lot of money...
And then there is my respirologist. She went to vet school and became a licensed veterinarian. Then she went to human medical school and became a respirologist (pulmonologist).
I've heard more than once that being a vet is like being a pediatrician. Your patients cannot tell you where it hurts or how bad it hurts.
I wish they would have talked about a veterinarian nurse AKA technician.
So just a note , I graduated with a bachelor of fine arts had a great career in fashion design but I've always wanted to be a vet. I worked at hospitals through out college , took my pre-requisites while still working my full-time 9-5 and I got into vet school. So you can most definitely get in with your BFA . ( P.S. Sorry if my english writing is bad , its not my first language )
You’re english is good, better than my Spanish (which is my first language 😭)
Vets are nicer than doctors most of the time.
My question is, who’s getting neurosurgery done on their dogs and cats? I guess I’d assume it’s mostly spine related or more with exotic animals.
Yes.