How The Centaurs Predicted Harry’s Death | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to reveal some CRAZY foreshadowing by the centaurs in Philosopher’s Stone about how Harry will die in Deathly Hallows AND discuss why wizards study astronomy at all.
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Saying centaurs have human level intelligence might be an insult to the centaurs😂
Tbh calling a human a person with human intelligence would seem like a major insult considering how dumb we are these days.
"I see thestrals" is a pretty dark t-shirt tbh, love it
I think my favorite quote in the entire series is when Ronan says “Mars is bright tonight.” The implication of it is so good, and the way it’s written in such an off-the-cuff manner has always stood out to me
mars is bright tonight just like the spiderverse
Same for me along with one of the Centaurs saying its always the innocent who die first
Hagrid just responds like “yeah, I guess… seen anything weird going on with the unicorns?” 😂😂😂
Astronomy = Science
Astrology = Divination
THANK YOU!
But Hogwarts teaches both Astronomy and Divination as magical. If any class is teaching whether Scorpios get along with Leos, it’s Divination. I got the impression that Astronomy=physics, Potions=chemistry, and Arithmancy=a combination of geometry and statistics.
That's how I've always seen it as well. Divination is disrespected by most, especially Hermoine, but Trelawney's predictions are right. Astrology is disrespected by most, but the more you learn about it, the more specific it becomes and the talking points brought up by astrology's detractors fade away.
My theory on why astronomy is important is regarding certain harvesting timeframes for potion making. Some potions require precise positions/phases of the moon so why not the rest of the planets too? 😅
yes!
That's actually insane that the Centaurs knew Harry was to die, and weren't going to fight until that happened.
We definitely need a what if Voldemort heard the prophecy video!
I highly doubt anything would really change at least from voldemort. The only change would be Snape would likely not turn against Voldemort assuming he didn't heard it in place of Voldemort. Snape heard the prophecy, told voldemort who then interpreted it to him which caused his change of loyalty. This could have major changes but voldemort goals, motives would have been the same.
@@thomasrovnak312 I think, he meant "What if Voldemort heard the COMPLETE prophecy (no matter whether by Snape or by himself) and not only the first part of it?"
Remember, Voldemort did never know the second part of the prophecy that said that he would mark that particular kid as his equal.
@@rittersportfan again, even then I don't think much will change by voldemort. He will still see Harry as a threat and will try to eliminate him as soon as possible before he could become his equal. Thus following the plot of the book.
I agree with the first commenter, nothing would really change from Voldemort. His weakness is hubris, he believes he is too good for death. He’ll definitely still attack Harry/Neville.
@@thomasrovnak312 Actually I never understood why it was so important that Voldemort didn't get the prophecy in the fifth book. I mean - the "damage" was already done and knowing the prophecy wouldn't helped Voldemort finding a way to kill Harry in the end.
Perhaps Dumbledore just tried to distract Voldemort. If Voldemort focussed on getting the prophecy, he hadn't so much time to persue his other goals.
But that's not the point in this discussion here. If Voldemort knew the whole prophecy from the beginning, perhaps he would've concluded that attacking Harry (or Neville) - having a power the Dark Lord doesn't know - was always a risk and he would've tried another way to get rid of this threat. Perhaps he would've just kidnapped him to try and find out more about that unknown power?
Mars sure is bright tonight
Mars sure is bright tonight
That it is
Mars sure is bright tonight
It's "Mars is bright tonight". There's no "sure".
Wait, mars is bright?
When he said "That's super easy" I was so disappointed it wasn't followed with "Barely an inconvenience."
I like you explanation of why they teach Astronomy. But I think it is also relevant to note that for thousands of years of human history, students learned their mathematics by studying and calculating the paths and locations of the stars. Arithmatic, geometry, and post Newton, the alchemist that he was, Calculus can all be learned by studying the heavens with Muggle grade telescopes. Wizard Telescopes would likely offer even better views and measurements.
I like this comment! They don't teach math in Hogwarts as a separate subject, but calculating the positions of every celestial being in the sky at any given moment DOES teach you a lot of mathematical rules, plus of course stuff about physics. It isn't like that isn't useful for wizards too, even if they spend most of their time breaking the laws of... well, physics. As a kid I always found it interesting that wizards are just allowed to go around with zero math education, unless you're a Muggleborn, and even then you would stop at fourth grade levels. And sure, Hermione is studying numerology, but it seems to me that that subject doesn't cover geometry or vectors or stuff like that, plus it was an elective course. But astronomy being the equivalent of math would explain a lot. Now we only need a proper substitute for English language lessons lol (or you know, a native tongue lessons in whatever language you speak the best). I guess the study of Magical History comes closest to that.
My boss likes to say that he has the distinction of having been misunderstood by Harry Potter. (He developed the model of Europa covered by ice with a subsurface liquid ocean, back in the 1970s.)
The part about Harry and Ron being able to predict the tasks for the tournament is the reason I find it hilarious when people believe in predictions in general!
They described 3 extremely vague and common events. If Harry had say burned his tongue on some food, first one "proven". If he had lost ANY possession, second one "proven". And a teenager in school is gonna get stabbed in the back by someone they "trust" fairly often.
I think they study astronomy to make certains spells and potions, like the animagus transformation, which has to be done at a full moon
Ha you can just tell that the "Through the Griffin Door" series is inspiring tons of new theories. And I'm here for it!
Isn't Firenze on pretty good terms with Hagrid. I'm not totally sure we can credit the planets for his knowledge of exactly where the philosopher stone is.
Now I can’t stop imagining Hagrid and Firenze meeting every now and then to have a few drinks and discuss random things
This... is such a good point 😂
A few good questions would be... was the first task on a Monday? was the second task on a Tuesday? And, was the last task on a Wednesday?
First Task was 24th November 1994, which was a Thursday.
Second Task was 24th February 1995, which was a Friday.
Third Task was 24th June 1995, which was a Saturday
@@mattoleary1470except the book always has September 1st always being the same day of the week (Sunday), which is not true. So, you’d have to adjust the days to be in-book accurate.
Real life September 1, 1994 was a Thursday. But if we push it to Sunday (3 day difference) then November 24 would become a Sunday (so close to being on a Monday).
How does Firenze know about the Philosopher's Stone? Easy. He is on friendly terms with HAGRID! And being smarter than humans, it takes a lot less time than the golden trio for the centaurs to get clues out of him and to figure it out.
Why do they need Astronomy? I always presumed it was because certain potions have to be brewed at certain times of the celestial year, some spells/curses only work/ manifest at X time of the month, *werewolves * for example. And so on...
What if “the thing hidden in Hogwarts” is Voldemort (hiding in Quirrel’s head) and not the philosopher’s stone ?
Except he said "at this very moment." He had just chased Voldemort away and knew he was still in the forest. Firenze was definitely talking about the stone.
@@SgtSupaman fair.
@@SgtSupaman it could mean the diadum
1. The centaurs spend time with Hagrid. It's not really that surprising that they know about the Philosopher's Stone.
2. Can wizards apirate to the moon? Is there a limit to the distance the spell can go?
For the second, I think in the seventh book during Malfoy Manor, when Harry's in Voldemort's head, an apparition range was mentioned
Apparition becomes more and more dangerous the further you go. Even Voldemort isn't willing to apparate from one country to another when both are in Europe. So Apparating to the moon probably is impossible.
Dude splits his soul into 7 pieces and he’s afraid of a little splinching
One of the points where you could be wrong is how Firenze knows about the Sorcerers Stone being in Hogwarts.
Perhaps he doesn´t know? Perhaps he only knows about a mighty artifact, which could lead Voldemort to be alive again and extend his life expatation? And since he´s not dumb he only concludes that it must be the stone?
Also he could have seen Dumbledore and Hagrid wander around in the forbidden forest to see if it´s a possible hideout for the stone. Or he had a talk with Hagrid and he spilled some beans.
Right? My first thought has always been that actually, Hagrid just let it slip. Because.. Hagrid. 🤷🏻♀
But what if it wasn't the stone he was referring to, but the spectre of voldemort being hidden under quirrel's turban.
It always makes me so happy to see you guys have uploaded another Harry Potter video, I watch them on the bus to work almost every day. And now Through The Griffin Door has been added to my daily routine 💕
12:00 - the watch is like the Wesley’s clock that tells you where they are.
Perfect timing guys! Needed to distract myself from some not great thoughts, so this is fab. I love the centaurs and wish we'd seen Firenze teaching in the films
Hope you're doing alright?
Do you watch/listen to through the griffin door also? More good vibes over there?
Maybe you could have a few backup sources of good vibes, just in case.
If that fails. Comment over here in this thread. We'll fill it with positivity for you!
Yeah bud. Hope you pulling through, i have no doubt any and every person who sees this is rooting for you. Take your time. Feel your feelings and get back up. Ill raise my last drink to you tonight.
I don’t know you, but I care about you and hope you overcome your troubles.
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I also would have loved to see Firenze teaching in the films. Bummer what had to be cut.
Hang in there! ❤
Astronomy is defined (by Muggles) as : the study of objects and matter outside the earth's atmosphere and of their physical and chemical properties. Astrology is defined as
: the divination of the supposed influences of the stars and planets on human affairs and terrestrial events by their positions and aspects. I would argue that what we are seeing in the Wizarding World is a weird combination of both, but would define it as Astrology, rather than Astronomy. Any Astrophysicist that wishes to advance their career will never mention how any planet/stars/etc. make you moody, or unlucky.
An astrophysicist will admit astronomy grew out of astrology, the same way a chemist will admit chemistry grew out of alchemy
THIS! People don't understand this or WHY the divination/mysticism was taken out of the sciences that remained. @@geraldgrenier8132
Hey, I think you could have also mentioned Fantastic Beasts 3, where at about 50 minutes Dumbledore looked at his watch and said Lally and Jacob should go to the dinner, including the "assassination attempt". He also seems to have something like a fortune sphere builtin, where he sees Credence/Aurelius in in the very next shot.
A random astronomy detail in the books that annoys me is that during his OWL Harry mentions Orion. Scotland is in the northern hemisphere. Orion would not be visible from the northern hemisphere in June. lol.
This is the nittiest of all nit picks and I love it lol
@@macattackk it is the only astronomy thing I remember from third grade science. lol. 😂
I thought the reason McGongagall was informed when they were sending Norbert to Romania was because Draco had told on them, as Draco read the note from Charlie.
I also read the predictions in Goblet slightly different. I thought the lose a treasured possession was Ron, but I also thought that the getting stabbed in the back by a friend was Ron as well. Your theory makes much more sense.
I'm sure someone has done a fictitious natal chart for Harry, somewhere, but it is possible that some 7-year transit started in 1990-1991, or even back in 1982, and concluded in 1997. Something that meant Harry's life would be stuck in the same resurrection cycle-- neither can live while the other survives-- until it was over.
“Mars is bright tonight”
I really like how I was listening to this chapter in the book the other day and saying to myself "wait! Did Vaine predicted Harry's demice at the hands of Voldemort in the forest; but not that day (when he was attacked by him) but when he Avada Kedabra him?"
I have a question or two
1) How do you think the wizarding world wouldve reacted to the moon landing on July 20, 1969? Would they think it's impressive or would they be more like "whatever bro, we can teleport
2) If Trelawney makes a prophecy/prediction, but no one's there to hear it, is it still legit? Like if Albus wasn't in the Hog's Head interviewing her, or if Harry hadn't gone back up to the Div classroom, would she still have gone all raspy?
Still wild to me that they make a bunch of 11-year-olds stay up until midnight (or maybe 1am, if the class starts at midnight?) every week, for the entire year, right in the middle of the week. Even if they don't also give them a morning class the next day, that's got to mess with their sleep pretty badly.
But then they don't have to go to Firenze's divination class at midnight. He gets a special room with dimmed lights, tree's, an enchanted ceiling, to show the stars, and it's on the ground floor, of course because a centaur can't possibly climb one set of stairs easily. Let alone all the way up to the Divination room.
Always wondered why Voldemort didn’t capture some centaurs to help him find out what the prophecy says or to see the future or predict things.
Good question. Its probably because Voldemort looks down on non-humans, kind of like Umbridge due to prejudices and arrogance.
Hey thereeee,
Can you please make a video explaining the FULL extent of horcruxes? What if you use the death of some who has a horcrux for your own and whose wouldn’t work, would both work….
Anyway, love your stuff and would love to see this as a video
This is a great idea! It may be a little dark but it'd be cool if they could includle the theory on the spell to make a horcrux.
@@curtislindsey1736 Funny enough, they did touch on it with their explanation of the Dark Mark and the origins of the name "Death Eaters". The going theory is that at the very least, cannibalism is involved.
The method of making a horcrux just requires that you tear your soul. Killing someone does this, but I doubt it is the act them dying that does it. I think it is very likely that if you were to torture someone to a breaking point like what was done to the Longbottoms would do it, as would thinking you killed someone without them dying. It seems to me the intent and action upon that intent is what is important as Dumbledore seems fairly sure that it is at least possible Snape killing him wouldn't tear his soul.
@jjquinn295 but wouldn't the fact that Bellatrix and Barty Jr don't have a horcrux kinda eliminate the torture making one idea?
you probably have to willingly make a horcrux, so bellatrix just didnt@@captainspaulding5963
The fact that you used the Jennifer Lawrence “ what do you mean” made my year. That’s my favorite episode of Hot ones ever, followed by Shia lebouf.
anytime my friend
now we need a What If Firenze hadn't saved Harry from Voldemort/Quirrel
Harry still had the blood protection so maybe he it was always his fate to survive that night in his 1st year and be killed by Voldemort in his 7th year
Thanks for the vids guys! I always enjoy unwinding to them in my evenings ❤ as a potter head I love all your continued theories!
Very interesting. I haven't ever noticed that.
Thank you for these kinds of videos!
I have a Harry Potter theory you might be interested in. Based on the basilisk in the second movie, I think it might not be a snake but instead a legless lizard. My reasoning is that a snakes lower jaw is split in the middle, which allows the mouth to stretch, while the basilisk had a fused lower jawbone, the teeth are different than a venomous snake who has two fangs on top and bottom and even a constrictor has two sets of teeth the basilisk had one set of teeth and is venomous, the basilisk had ear holes while a snakes ears are covered under it's scaly skin, a legless lizard's scales are uniform all around the body as does the basilisk not a snake who has wider scales on its belly allowing it to climb, swim and most importantly slither around without injuring itself, a snake eats large prey whole but the basilisk would need to eat a small giant every other week and most certainly did not have access to that kind of food ever, hagrid would notice animals that big going missing, and a snake doesn't blink or have eyelids instead having a clear scale called a spectacle or eye cap, but the basilisk did have eyelids. It also could be a Wyrm, a legless wingless dragon, but I don't have enough info on wyrms in the Harry Potter universe.
"Mars is bright tonight."
I'm mind blown, I had never thought to connect everything like that! Amazing!
You guys continue to amaze me. ✨️
Man, I've been theorizing about the Harry Potter stuff for over a decade now, have read all the books multiple times, etc... Most of the times SCB upload a new video with a new theory I kinda already know where they're going with it, but this one takes the cake. I never linked the stuff that went on in the forest in book one with what ended up happening in book seven. Hats off, well done guys, I'm impressed.
The amount of detail and research astonishes me and fills me with joy sooo smart lol
Heyyy brother! Always look forward to your videos!
I love it when a video like this comes up, because I had also noticed some of that. Albeit not as much and as thoroughly as you guys😊 But I had noticed a lot of the same things as you have outlined in the video, I just hadn't put it all together like you have. Now Dumbledore's watch makes more sense to me😁
Love you guys and all your content!😊
man your theories just make my day.... 😍
Wow, this is one of your coolest theories! Very impressive 🎉
I love you new podcast!
I always thought Dumbledore’s watch in chapter 1 was similar to Mrs. Weasley’s clock. It shows the current position of people which is why he knows Hagrid is late because Hagrid is one of the 12 hands on his watch
Now I need y'all to do a deep dive into the study of ancient runes!!
Hi J!
So good!
Wow the foreshadowing in book one is crazyyy, the parallels of the forbidden forest scene gave me chills
How do centaurts know for the stone? Hagrid 😂
The centaurs are criminally underrated. I understand that Firenze was cut from the Order of the Phoenix for time constraint purposes, but he was so unusual and regal that I fell in love with him.
Awesome as always thanks
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Holy s*** i never made that connection or guessed where the video was going! I think you’re right about this one brothers! It seems as if youre the first to make this connection, as ive never heard talk about it, yet it seems so obvious that we were intended to notice
"How does Fierenze know about the stone?"
Hagrid "got harry ready for school but had to leave him at the train. Dumbledore needed me to help hide the sorcerers stone in hogwarts"
fierenze " really?"
Hagrid "I should not have said that..."
Another great video
Fun fact: Wizardry originally referred specifically to the practice of astrological magic. Wizards would pick astrologically auspicious times for the casting of certain spells, or making talismans to "store" magic at good times to cast spells during bad times. Unlike witchcraft, wizardry was usually legal and considered a part of medicine. Paracelsus and St. Albert the Great were both wizards. "Astrological days" even spread to folk magic to this day: Love spells on fridays, money spells on thursdays, healing on wednesdays, curses on saturdays, etc.
The thought going through my head on a re-read of Book 1 when Bane basically says Harry’s supposed to die and not to interfere is basically “you’re right but it’s 6 years too early for that to happen mate. Calm down” XD
Centaurs are definitely the best prophets
Love the Dr Who reference! A sign we might be getting Who content???? I hope so 😀
A Very interesting Video 👍🏻
I was under the impression that astronomy would be mandatory for potions as well-like how the Polyjuice potion must be brewed for a month, and like one of the ingredients needs to be picked at night during a full moon or something. And I would hazard a guess that certain spells might be affected by the planets or space too. Can you imagine if there was a day when something like Accio or Point Me spell would be extra effective? Or at certain hours of the day? I imagine that’s what arithomancy is for too, learning how to augment magic based on the math of magic.
But besides this…I would like to see a “what-if” theory video about if Firenze did not save Harry(or basically, if Voldemort had successfully killed Harry), thus removing Harry as a Horcrux first.
Are we not even gonna mention the Unicorn in the forest as part of the first innocents to be killed? Or even that it would have been in the stars as well if this part of the theory is correct...
I’m not going to stop thinking about how the whole ‘mistake’ the centaurs make in their timing is because they assumed the innocent life of a unicorn was just as important as the innocent life of a human insofar as it would be written in the stars….and of course they would, being half-horses themselves.
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The shirt is great!
😭😭😭 J's shirt is heartbreaking and I kinda want it!
Ron and Harry's "predictions" are right in other ways too. "Stabbed in the back bu someone you thought was a friend" could mean Ron thinking Harry is a Liar and ghosting him when he's preparing for the first task
I always assumed hagrid somehow spilled the beans. I can totally imagine him taking to himself or to fang while walking through the forbidden forest, unaware of centaurs standing behind some bushes
*trying to type day on trick keyboard*
Trick keyboard: IT'S GONNA BE MAY
I’m just happy to be watching this less than 25 minutes after it was posted :)
Regarding the list of innocents who were killed in the lead-up to the second wizarding war, I would have to say it’s a bit of a stretch to call Barty Crouch Senior innocent, considering that he willingly, albeit probably unknowingly, sent Sirius Black to prison for a crime he didn’t actually commit thereby making Sirius a bit more innocent than Crouch, in comparison.
I would argue Barty Crouch Senior is partially responsible for Voldemort's return. Voldemort relied very heavily on Barty Crouch Junior who would not have joined up with the death-eaters had he had a better relationship with his own father. His intense loyalty to Voldemort stems from seeing him as a father figure who would give him the attention and affirmation that he was desperate for. While I am sure Voldemort would have returned at some point without the help of Barty Crouch Junior, the timing and circumstances would probably have been different.
If nothing else, you always can count on Ron to bring the "high-brow Uranus" humor.
They need astronomy for herbology and potion-making too. Maybe they only need lunar cycles for that (things are mentioned as needing to happen at the full moon, for example) but I would not be surprised about other uses.
“We don’t know how they knew about the stone being in the school” Hagrid. “I shouldn’t have said that…”
I’m so glad you made this theory! I am rereading Harry Potter again, now that I’m older, and when I got to this part my first thought was you guys. It’s so clear that they knew he had to die by Voldemort’s hand.
I hope you make a whole video with a deep dive on divination
Now I understand why professor trelawny hates frenzy, it's not the fact that he's different It's the fact that he has a different brand of fortune-telling that's better than hers.
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What you neglect to point out is the importance of knowing the alignment big the planets. Why? Apparition.😮
Apparition is the magical ability to instantaneous move from one point to another in time & space. A person is literally moving into a different dimension then returning at a chosen destination; sometimes miles/kms away. And if not done exactly right, on could return with pieces of the body missing or not at all.
Brilliant!
Big round of applause to Aurora sinistra who has to deal with being the astronamy teacher
*(**4:02**)* Yeah, it's not like schools in the real world have lots of mandatory subjects that provide next to _zero_ real world application for the average student (unless they happen to get a job involving that subject), such as chemistry, art, gym, shop, math, geography, music, biology...
Wow, of all videos on TH-cam nitpicking the series apart after all this time, this was actually really fascinating to think back on
!!BEN and J!!! -Surely it is that exact SAME CLEARING in The Forbidden Forest that he finally allows Voldermort to perform Avada Kedavra As Well!!!!
It doesn’t “beg” the question.. it “RAISES” the question
The stone was definitely moved from Gringotts to Hogwarts, but whether it was done "secretly" is debatable. It was Hagrid who was tasked with its transportation. The same Hagrid who was tricked into telling a total stranger how to get past Fluffy and later revealed the same "secret" to 3 first-year students. The centaurs (and Firenze in particular) are neither strangers to him, nor young students. They certainly could have gotten that piece of information from their stargazing, but there is a much more down-to-earth explanation: Hagrid simply spilled the beans.
Astronomy also seeps into other disciplines in the books. Granted, it's mostly the lunar cycle we read the most about, but it's not a big stretch to apply it on other planetary movements. The notorious connection between full moon and lycanthropy, preparation of certain potions, best time to harvest certain herbs etc. Understanding of astronomy seems to be needed in a lot of other subjects, even if it has limited practical application on its own.
As an astronomer, this isn’t Astronomy rather astrology
Astronomy is a science involving math and actual data
Astrology (in Harry Potter) is using the stars to predict stuff about earth, and other pseudoscience(divination)
I cannot wait for through the gryffindor episode on Norbert chapter
The idea that the future is written in the stars also interestingly makes the Cursed Child and Pottermore articles about time-changing Time-Turners much more problematic than they already were. If the future is written in the stars and your Time-Turner isn't changing the stars, it shouldn't be able to contradict what the stars are foretelling. (Unless it's a self-correcting universe sort of model where a change to time will ultimately be "erased" by various actions that will set the universe back on its initial path even if it takes some time to get there.)
Day 9 of asking scb why none of the portraits in book 2 reported the basilisk! I love y'all's channel!!!!
Centaurs are as amazing prophets as mars is bright🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Maybe Hagrid told Firenze about the Stone...
He shouldn't have said that...😂
wooo, man, the pun-power is strong with this one...well played, sir...
J, if you want to talk about survivor, go ahead. I'm here for it!!!