Why THIS Was The WORST SCENE In Star Wars!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ม.ค. 2025
- The Battle of Crait in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, was a terrible fight sequence by far, and it made the Star Wars Sequels AND Star Wars as a whole even worse. Kylo Ren, Rey, Finn, Rose and Princess Leia all served to make the Battle of Crait even worse than it had to be.
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I find it hilarious when Rose says "thats how we'll win, not fighting what we hate, saving what we love" and then you see the base explode in the background.
It makes sense when you understand that she was actually a sleeper agent for the FO with a erotic fixation on that giant laser battering ram thing.
The pained irony almost feels deliberate to me, I think he genuinely believes he was showing/writing something BRILLIANT! "Look, LOOK! See the differences, the nuance right!? Rose was saving what she loves, and it it it looks like a KISS, but but the First Order's doing their their thing with the H word in the background and it looks like KAAABLAMMuhuhuhuhuhBOOOOOOOM. It's art."
Right? "We'll win by saving what we love!" That's what he was trying to do! Finn was trying to save everyone in the base! What brain-dead writing
I guess she forgot that those soldiers might have families and stuff but ok
@@wren7195 The only way that could've been salvaged was if it turned out that Rose was a First Order spy the entire time. Hell, it'd explain why the First Order knew to scan for those ships in the first place, because their "codebreaker" certainly wasn't in on the plan
You know what's funny. In Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker saga. They took out Finn's attempted sacrifice, now Rose's ship just breaks and they bring her back.
Even the people who worked on that game knew this was bad
They made the right choice
@@MonkeyBanjo7the right choice would’ve been to just not include the sequels like the original lego Star Wars did.
@@therealspeedwagon1451Dawg are you slow
@@therealspeedwagon1451 that’s called Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga. Its on Ps2 & ps3. Have fun with that.
@@therealspeedwagon1451senior moment lmao the sequels got Lego games too
You forgot, Fin dragged Rose literally across the whole field, beating the empire to the front door. I can't imagine that, the whole time, the empire sees Fin dragging Rose and not thinking to just shoot a single beam at them and kill them both.
Don't forget she is completely ignored in the next film.
@@dragondude9637 Rumors have it that the Rebel HR team was notified of the unwanted kiss and put her on unpaid leave of absence for sexual intimidation.
"Should we shoot them?"
"If they don't make it back in 10 minutes, I want to see how far they will get."
They didn't want to be racist.
It made me think of the Family Guy scene where they joke about if they are charging the soldiers of the laser shots.
0:18 Lies, you're nowhere near the bottom of that chocolate milk carton
Finn’s face when rose awkwardly kissed him after she saves him perfectly describes how I reacted initially to this scene
And that was the point at which my family and I collectively chuckled, groaned, and finally gave up our last shred of hope of enjoying this film
wasnt finn and rose completely absent from the last of the new shit trilogy?
but what if we kissed in front of the fireball incinerating all our friends. 🥺
... 👉👈
@@Otto_Von_BeansmarckThat was the point I walked out of the theatre . I couldn't believe how insanely stupid that scene was. It was the only time I've ever walked out of a movie before it ended, before or since.
Same
I found the most ridiculous part of this scene to be that after Rose crashed into Finn right in front of the First Order about a mile from the base, the baddies were kind enough to let Finn and Rose hobble back to base safely.
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THANK YOU!! The entire mechanics of this scene drive me bat shit. Their was no indication that her speeder was fast enough to make a big loop back to T-bone Finn in time. And they sure as hell should have been blown to bits by the First Order after the crash. And why didn’t they blast Finn anyways? They were just gonna watch him destroy the drill?
They probably saw the whole thing and cringed. So they just let them go out of pure pity
@n2deep877 that's the most reasonable explanation that I've heard
The First Order saw that Rose did them a solid by protecting their laser cannon and gave them a lift back to her own trenches. They hoped that she could cause even more havoc there. Previously she had aided the FO by rescuing their sleazy hacker who could help them break the Resistance's sensor jamming.
You can see that in the end scene where she's talking to Finn she's now got a little FO medal pinned to her chest and there's some flowers with a card saying "From all of us in the 404th, with much gratitude" in Aurabesh. Ok that part was a lie.
Rose crashing Finns ship,
Then assaulting him with a kiss
Was the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life
The “I saved you” bit had me dying
Like seriously, because of her most of the resistance is now dead. That’s a great trade.
I got so pissed the first time I saw that scene in the theatre.
@@hetzer5926 This scene is so bad, it haunts me even after years. I still don't understand why the critiques praised it so much? Because the understood it would destroy Star Wars, wich they never liked in the first place?
@@HamannGeorg I was so pissed when I saw how Rose "saved" Finn, but i laughed a lot when she said "by saving what you love" at the same time the base was being oblitereted in the background hahahaha
@@JCarvajal_25 to this day I am not sure if Ruin J just didn't realise how all of the events , just ridiculed the cringe dialogue (the winning part was my favourite, but saving come in close second), or if it was somehow on purpose.
10:09 if some girl destroys the whole chance of your enemy winning i would keep them alive too lol.
Gunner: I mean... she must be a spy
Don’t interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. -art of war.
Easy explanation on how Rose got into that angle on Finn to knock him out of the way using the sequel logic. "Somehow, Rose got into position!"
You forgot the other explanation "that's a story for another time."
I hate those movies so much
@@gtdc4685 such shit writing and shit characters! Totally destroyed Star Wars storyline
she activated her Deux ex Machina device to give her that extra boost in speed.
"I was making things up as I went along", Indiana Jones
Finn sacrificing himself would have been one of the best scenes in the movie , he was one of the few characters that I enjoyed watching and when he was saved ,it just felt forced
Yeah, that was honestly the part that had me emotionally check out. I had already been so-so about the trilogy and really didn't care for Finn (because he was just "there" and never seemed to matter). They finally had him taking a stand and putting others above himself and they had to even take that away from him...
Agreed. They ruined his big heroic moment!
TWICE, Finn could have been the hero but then his character gets butchered by girls, and then in TROS, he's just a side character, I swear Disney did Finn dirty, why, because Disney is woke! This isn't Star Wars, it's fucking woke propaganda!
Making him a Jedi ruined his character but blacks people ego needs a him to be one
Only problem is a ship whose hull can be broken by a boot would do nothing against the laser. Granted the movies have a number of flaws, but I do like how Finn survived the FO laser so in the next film, he could use their own laser against them.
Finn should have been cooked by the “cannon” when he entered that laser radiation... instead he was knocked by Rose then runs over to her as if he never went through any ordeal
Actually if you look close Finn closes the windshield just before his final charge
Which probably protected him
@@PK-Radio AH YES, A THIN WINDSHIELD WOULD TOTALLY BLOCK THAT METRIC FUCK-TON OF RADIATION FROM A LASER NUKE. THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!
well at least he was sweating hard during the mile long voyage
@@TheFirstCurse1could be made of a resource we don’t have so
@@TheFirstCurse1Jesus bro I’m pretty sure he was making a joke ☠️
The reason the First Order landed so far away is because the writers wanted to recreate the Battle of Hoth, but forgot that the only reason the Empire did the same thing then was because the Rebels had deployed an energy shield over the base.
Not to mention the Rebels had a plan that amounted to something significant (escaping before the Empire pinned them down) instead of being the storytelling equivalent of pissing into the wind
You know this entire scene, not just the fight, but this entire encounter was written around having a visual of red being drawn on a white background. Someone said,, You know what would look cool" and everything was written around it.
As an artist, I actually don’t dislike this approach in concept. I’m certain there is/was a way to make that work better in practice than it did.
The entire movie was actually made this way. They didn't write a script or plan the plot, they asked artists to make scenes they found visually appealing. This was based on George Lucas approach, except George luchas did have a plot thought out for all of it to make sense.
Rian had the entire crew watch some 40/50's black'n'white movie about a Bombing run during Pre-production. So if nothing else, that entire arc was gonna play out at the start of the movie no matter what.
@@garathrahl9640damn, that makes the scene even MORE TRUE to Star Wars than I previously thought. Great scene, love it!
Exactly. Does it look cool? Fuck yeah it looks cool. But IS it cool? Fuck no it ain’t
Fun fact, if the resistance didn’t have plot armor, they would absolutely be destroyed by the first order
Palpatine had countless planet-destroying Star Destroyers, he could have used them as early as The Force Awakens. The Resistance wouldn't have stood a chance.
So true!
Fun fact, if the first order didn't have plot armor, it would never have existed.
@@matthewk4912 I think those cannons were Star Destroyer Tech, but only ship/large base level powerful, so one shot for a mountain sized base instead of a planet.
Which IS me writing the movie for RIan Johnson, but it's one of the few things that make sense in the movie: One shot, one base, one example, but NOT an entire planet sized atrocity.
No, I was talking about the planet destroying Star Destroyers in The Rise of Skywalker. It wasn't just a mountain sized base, a single Star Destroyer blew up all of Kijimi. And they had an entire fleet of these.
I remember back in theaters, when Rose stopped Finn's kamikaze attempt, the audience audibly sighed in frustation, me included. Some people were so done with this movie that they walked out after this scene. No one cared how the movie was going to end.
Yes, goddamn Disney maggots
I walked out when Rose kissed Finn, haven’t seen another Star Wars since.
@@RagingFreedom360You didn't walk out.
Nobody walked out.
I didn’t walk out but I was banging my head on the seat in front of me
11:29 One thing that really annoys me about this fight is that Luke uses his old blue lightsaber instead of his new green one. Kylo just saw the blue saber get destroyed after his battle with Rey. If he bothered to use one of his two brain cells, he would have noticed that Luke could not have been using the saber he just destroyed, and he would have realized that Luke was just a faux force projection. But no, Luke for some reason didn't use his green saber because... actually I can't even think of a good reason why they didn't make it green in the movie.
I hadn't thought of that, but I actually see some poetry in it. This is the first lightsaber Luke owned, lost in one of his first real duels. If the force apparition is a projection of Luke's consciousness, then it shows his perception of himself -- here we see the good and noble Jedi that he once was, back when he first trained with Obi Wan and Yoda. This is a moment of realization and awakening for Luke, and I think every detail - even the lightsaber - is a symbolic closing of his story.
Am I giving the writers too much credit? No, because I know this wasn't their plan, and I will give them no credit. But I'm gonna believe this is the case 😅
What I CAN say is John Williams did one hell of a job scoring the music for this scene. I will not knock the composer for his fantastic scoring.
John Williams can never go wrong, but the movie his music is used in, can go wrong
YES, the Spark… ughh 😫👌
John Williams did not save this movie. It made it worse for me knowing how badly Disney squandered his talents.
Even then, John Williams' score for the ST is subpar compared to the OT and PT.
What's sad is the only way you can enjoy his scores from the film is listening to them on their own. They are just background music in The Sequels as compared to 1-6 which were part of the storytelling.
There is an interview where John talks about the difference working on the score of 7-9 compared to 1-6 and he says how George wanted the music to be part of the story.
Something I found annoying was that you can see that one of the soldiers in the trenches is a fighter pilot
Meaning they chose to have Finn (a trained ground soldier who has literally no experience as a pilot) fly one of the ski speeders while having an actual fighter pilot stay in the trenches
It's a bit worse than that. Finn is specifically established as not being a pilot in Force Awakens. That's why he teams up with Poe in the first place.
There are a lot of issues with the sequels, but I still think the biggest issue is they don't hang together as a trilogy at all. It's just narrative whiplash all over the place. It's almost like The Last Jedi is the second film in an alternate universe sequel trilogy that somehow ended up in our universe.
@@Off-Brand_DevinI swear that JJ and Rian were trying to one-up each other and retcon/remove stuff from each other’s movies. Last Jedi killed off Captain Phasma (early in the movie might I add) effectively removing Finn’s ultimate rival, and therefore the emotional journey he (would’ve) had in the story. Iirc, JJ had already laid out plans for the new trilogy, even having a layout for the other movies, which I believe Rian ditched (whether JJ’s plans were god awful, or actually good or interesting I cannot determine). Rise of Skywalker tried to ignore lots of what the Last Jedi introduced/changed.
Simply put, Last Jedi and RoS wanted to go “yeah that last movie sucked, don’t worry too much about what happened in it”, but didn’t realize that this only caused more problems.
@@Dr.Oofersjj did not have a plan. hes stated before he was creating "mystery boxes" with snoke but he never actually knew what he would put inside them as a payoff and thus we got TLJ and TROS
@@yimpyoi9808...which, while a terrible idea, could have in theory been okay, if RJ hadn't been hell-bent on "subverting expectations".
Didnt also the asian mainence lady also drive on of those for some reason
This "battle" legitimately made all the battles I made up with my toys as a kid seem like the Mona Lisa compared to a toddler drawing on the wall.
This battle made my hot wheels with my imaginary zombie apocalpyse with my built up town look better than this.
Somehow I got reminded of all the hotwheels cartoons back then.
Man, I miss those.
My brothers and I set up much better battles as kids with green and brown army men. The say the whole movie was a dumpster fire insults actual dumpster fires.
Istg, I was a better Admiral for my LEGO spaceships than whoever wrote this scene
The action figure battles I made up when I was a kid had a lot more realism
The most infuriating part of this scene to me is the guy stepping out of the trench to look through his binoculars. Are we supposed to know who he is? They made it look like he was this big important dude and I have no idea who he is.
That was my dad
did anyone else think the casino plot of last jedi was a dream like after you saw the movie you could vaugely remember it but not enough to know if it really was in the movie
so its not just me. i remembered it happened but forgot what it happened in or any real details about it
I genuinely forgot about 3/4s of the movie and I don't need a reminder
It's actually insane how forgettable these movies were
That's a perfect description of that section
I legit forgot that scene even existed until I read your comment.😂
Can we really even call this a battle!
No
The arguement of crate
No, it’s basically a confluffle with weaponry involved.
no thats boring
Nah this shit a ripoff of Hoth Battle but with Salt
Can anyone tell me if any of the speeders even shoot at the oncoming walkers? Were they actual cannon fodder? And why were Rose and Finn flying speeders? I know a lot of the pilots died when Kylo bombed the X-wing bay earlier in the movie, but were a janitor and a mechanic really the next best options? I mean, sure, maybe Rose had some heretofore unknown piloting skills, but Finn was established as specifically not a pilot in Force Awakens. That's the entire reason he sets Poe free. Also, when and why did Rose and Finn change back into their original clothes after they switched into First Order uniforms on the big Star Destroyer?
Because the movie directors want the main characters to have cool screen time and yeah I don’t think you can achieve that with them being in the trenches of which are being blown to bits.
@@MonkeyBanjo7 Not a bad point; you want your main characters doing something. Then again, it makes me think of Empire. Only Luke was in a speeder while Han, Chewie, Leia, and the droids were busy with other things inside the Hoth base.
Now that you mention it, I think Finn fighting a desperate battle for survival in the trenches would have been much more interesting.
@@Off-Brand_Devin I'd like to think it woudl be very cool to see Finn have to have a desperate battle of survival in the trenchs
@@MonkeyBanjo7Have the lasers with stronger shields duke it out with the walkers, who dismount loads of stormtroopers, that storm the trenches. The big lasers can't engage them because they are busy fighting the walkers. A Tie with a malfunction gets repaired, launched, strafes the trenches just long enough before being taken out for the stormtroopers to enter the trenches
Meanwhile Kylo and Luke clash between the legs of the walkers
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 i think you mean baseball bats
Finn should have been able to go through with his sacrifice. Would have been a great end for his character. Ex storm trooper who gives his life in defense of the republic, allowing them to escape. Instead, we got this.....shit.
I remember I stated in a group I'm in that I actually hate the sequels and most of the characters then someone of course said "you hate them because they have strong female characters" then I listed every actual good female Star Wars character I liked they then blocked me. Those kind of people don't have a brain
agree, also sick pfp/name
Yeah that definitely happened trust me bro
I had a friend where after the rise of dumbwalker we were all talking about it and I said "it didn't feel like a Star Wars Movie, it felt like a treasure hunt" he ended saying "Oh if felt exactly like a star wars movie" I wanted to say "in how in Gods holy name" but I couldn't form words, this guy also thought Freedom of Speech means Freedom to curse anyone out without recoil
@@TheGalaxyWingsMy friend, you are reading a TH-cam comments section. You should know people like that exist.
Blame Disney! 😂
How to fix this battle (not the space chase, nor the movie itself) is incredibly simple :
1- The old rebel base, just like the one on Hoth (in the original trilogy) has an old Shield generator that the rebels managed to reactivate. A Planetary Shield can block orbital strikes and cancels every long-range bombardement attempts... But doesn't prevent entry to entities that moves slow enough, which means you can step straight into it.
This explains why the First order has to land far away (Landing ships move too fast and would crash onto the shield) and then have to walk under the shield to deploy their siege weapon, as it would be unable to hit target from outside.
2- Make the defensive weapons of the rebel base part of the big structure, a.k.a they've been installed into the cliff and were deployed when the base was re-activated.
This explains why they work, as they were sheltered from the environment all this time and justify the need to breach into the fortress since the rebels would be barricaded inside shooting through murder-holes and wall-mounted canons.
3- Fix the speeders by having the cockpit in the middle of the thing and not stuck to one of the sides and put a small briefing scene to explain that the goal is to destroy the siege weapon so they can't crack the mountain open.
4 - After realising their shots don't work, the rebels defensive canons start aiming up and shoot at the T.I.E fighters coming in, preventing them from blasting all the speeders in one wave. It also explains why the T.I.E fighters would re-direct towards the falcon, as the air-space in front of the base would be locked down by anti-air (and since they would be on the cliffside and not in trenches the fighters wouldn't be able to destroy them like they do in the original scene)
5 - Let Finn sacrifice himself destroying the weapon, but he was a bit too late and the front door has started melting even though it's not open.
This buys the rebels a bit of time for their subsequent escape, as in order to finish blasting through the door, the walkers need to come closer and focus down the newly made weak-point after taking down the base's defenses.
6- After they finish blasting the door open, Luke steps outside for his iconic duel against Kylo Ren while all the rebels are fleeing by the backdoor.
Disney paid scenarists millions of dollar to make a script that an amateur can fix with ten minutes, a glass of water and a cookie...
I think you could save Finn for future use and keep most of this intact by having him commit to the suicide run but get clipped by enemy fire once he's on the final approach. That way you preserve the character moment, and could possibly even have something involving him being in captivity in the next movie.
Showing that the stupid skids even have weapons would be a good start…
How did rose and fin get back to the base?
@@theBlankScrollIn the actual movie ? By walking
Oh my goodness. Top comment.
The Finn/Rose kiss thing is the work of someone who wanted their own version of “I love you, I know” but really didn’t understand the stakes of the context of that scene. Han and Leia were in a situation in which there was no way of escaping, they had no other course of action to take at the moment. Whereas here, the characters have multiple options to choose from and decide to make the worst possible decision at the worst possible time.
You just described Johnson's writing style.
3:00ish, lasers are usually weaker at a distance due to atmosphere and most lasers having a focal point (usually close to the source) at which they are most effective. Doesnt negate the point that it still could have been effective at that range if they had bothered to change the focal distance to be at that range. It's still dumb i agree.
I think that doesn't apply to a laser weapon, which is more of a plasma ray ?!
I work with high powered lasers, and OP is mostly correct. When light is intense enough to blast through something like this, you can get nonlinear effects, and heating of the air would substantially screw up the focus. Another thing most people don't realize about laser stuff is that if your laser is intense enough that it vaporizes the target into a plasma, that plasma can easily become dense enough that most of the following laser energy is reflected away (plasma mirror).
While I can make arguments about laser's emission frequency minimizing the atmospheric absorption, it's a sci-fi movie with hyperdrives. Whoever conceived the falling bombs in zero gravity at the start of the movie should've thrown physics out the window by now as something solved by science a long time ago.
Yes, definitely dumb.
The physics of Rose doubling back and then intercepting Finn from the side when he's already gotten a massive lead on her and is running at max throttle are *almost* as good as the physics of a ship in empty space slowing to a full stop because it ran out of fuel after doing an extended open throttle flight. There's "willing suspension of disbelief" and then there's this brain-squashing movie.
Kinda like a space "bomber" that somehow drops bombs via gravity... In space?
That bit drives me bonkers. So dumb.
@@johnhonker437it is logical if the ship can create a gravity inside of it then anything will drop "down" in it
@@kacperkonieczny7333 I refuse to believe that a SPACESHIP with a freaking hyperdive would ever even mess with unguided gravity bombs.
Unfortunately the smaller mass will be attracted to the larger mass so it kinda is almost explainable but it's not smart no.
Star wars films post Jedi are pretty much a writeoff with some cool scenes that could be great in other movies.
The orignal script would have been fine if Rose gave the “this is how we win, by saving what we love” line, knocked Finn out of the way, and then sacrificed HERSELF to destroy the cannon. That would have redeemed the whole character.
Someone had to lead the charge of space horses
Except it was very clearly said by both Rose and Poe that Finn charging into the battering ram wouldn't have taken it out at all. He would've killed himself for nothing. Therefore, Rose was saving his life.
@@trevorpacelli8056 let me guess, they said that in Rise of Skywalker
@@Halfort57 ...no. If you actually paid attention to The Last Jedi, Poe and Rose said this immediately before Finn ignored their warnings and foolishly tried to sacrifice himself.
@@trevorpacelli8056That's still extremely bad writing. It "not being able to take it out" is a choice.
In the scene where rose crashes into Finn you also have to count the fact that they are travelling at max velocity so it is almost impossible for Rose to randomly rotate 90 degrees to hit Finn.
Really, how did multiple people who wrote this movie just looked at this scene and said "ah yes perfect" ?
You are expecting the Disney part of Hollywood to know how physics/ logic work?
Because they wrote all 3 movies on the fly, which is why none of it makes any sense, and it's all jumbled mess. Kathleen Kennedy and both directors are all idiots.
They really had no imagination and couldn’t come up with something that wasn’t similar to the battle of Hoth 🤦
Also, couldn't the star destroyers in orbit just glass the planet starting with were the rebels are?
Exactly but star wars tings
The whole fleet was destroyed
@@DarthVinatiss
No. You could still see parts of the fleet weren’t hit, plus their location was an obvious retcon for maximum damage because they were NOT in that formation in previous scenes and had no reason to be. Plus, even if the rest of the fleet was down, Snoke’s flagship was only damaged, not destroyed (or else Rey would have died since she was on the ship when the lore-breaking ramming attack happened), meaning some of its guns would still be in working order or made to be so in a reasonable amount of time. Or, barring all of that, they could have just sat there and called for a few more Star Destroyers to their location for bombardment purposes since according to the movie’s opening crawl they had enough forces to overrun a good chunk of the Republic and presumably intimidate any other likely enemies. Wow, this movie is getting dumber the more I think about it.
I just headcanon that orbital bombardments are expensive to make and launching ground assaults are cheaper
I like to believe that they can't really shoot at planets because the energy would dissipate within the atmosphere, which would also explain why they need a special ship to do it like in the other worst starwars movie. Knights of the old republic says otherwise though, and I love Kotor so who am I to say no to that.
Let’s also not forget about the INTENSE HEAT AND RADIATION that Finn was barreling through before getting smacked outta the way.
love how he's just casually flying through a wall melting death laser
Flying a self sacrificial craft up the barrel of super space laser just sounds like Independence Day if you ask me... 😒
That explains his large absence in the 9th movie to deal with his cancer and baldness...
its star wars.
That makes Rose saving him even worse, the motherfucker probably had tumours in half his body after that 😭
8:45 you forgot that this is a movie so all vehicles have a magic "go faster" mode they can use at any time when they need to.
Im movies, a vehicles speed is directly proportional to the drivers emotions
nonono disney remembered ..... in the next movie they made hyperspace travel instantaneous . What should have taken weeks or months to travel they did in a matter of hours or days
@brathernumzy when has that ever mattered in star wars. Even in Empire, Luke has to use hyperspace to get from dagobah to bespin to save the others and he does so instantly
"You never look at this scene the same way again" I hadn't planned on looking at it again ever lol
@@Beenscheese no it doesn't ?? it took time , toxic disney made it instant ty
10:00 bro wore his seatbelt
Bro is spitting facts
Leia using no clip was the nail in the coffin for this movie.
While most of this I agree with, I actually thought it made sense for Kylo to be making a bunch of really bad decisions. He was extremely emotional, arrogant, and prideful. Even Hux thought his decisions were terrible. The only reason nobody did anything about it was because if they made him angry they might get a complementary tracheotomy courtesy of Kylo Ren's lightsaber. So chase the Falcon? Terrible idea, but makes sense for Kylo's character. Stopping everything to bombard Luke then going out to face him one-on-one? Also makes sense for Kylo. Are they good decisions? Hell no. But I think that was intentional.
he was driven entirely by his pathological obsession with breaking with the past, fixating on any symbols of it at the expense of everything else. I thought Kylo was fairly consistent and had actual motovations, and I think he was actually pretty well written in that movie. Literally the only part that wasn't a dumpster fire.
Yeah Kylo was absolutely an irrational brat that happens to be a Sith, which was consistent with his portrayal through the series. He's the perfect villain to justify the First Order's fall after Snoke.
Makes a lot of sense for an emotional teenager like Kylo Ren. It also explains why he didn't Shoot the Bridge his Mother was on. HATE that scene to btw. You know the one where Leia pulls a Mary Poppins & Flies back to the Ship was so FREAKING DUMB!!!
Kylo probably had the best characterization of anyone in the new trilogy. I think part of the problem with the last Jedi is that they should have just committed to killing off Finn and Leia. Losing his mom and being more or less responsible for it would make Kylo’s emotional/volatile reactions make even more sense (than it already did, at least). Finn’s death to save everyone would have been a really good way to end his character arc.
I think Rian really wanted to do a more stripped-back Star Wars story that focused on the characters, which I think was a big part of the original Trilogy but got lost along the way. Han had a character arc that was mostly done after New Hope, Leia and Luke had decent arcs in ESB. Vader has his arc in RofJ. The prequels were pretty devoid of any in-movie character progression outside of Anakin in RotS.
@@conormacneill8284,
There was more characterization in those movies (PT/OT) than you're giving them credit for. Admittedly, the character growth took place off screen... but the lessons they learned were in the previous movie thus they took their lessons to the next movie, hence the character progression.
The character progression in the PT was marred because of bad writing, bad dialogue. The Anikan Skywalker character made no sense. In the Phantom Menace, he was a slave child. He was able to, in his free time, builds a beautiful landpseeder. How? Why? Where did he get he parts from? Why wasn't it stolen from him? He's a slave, he doesn't _own_ anything!
Mr. Lucas should have shown how bad slavery is... on Tatooine. He should have shown the scars that Anikan Skywalker had from being a slave. How it shaped his personality, his motivations. In addition, he needed to make Anikan Skywalker older, no less than 2 years younger than Padme. The scars of his slavery left him is the motivation to please his master... to do everything his master wants him to do to perfection. This is why he's such a good mechanical engineer. This is why he's such a good pilot, beyond just mere Jedi reflexes.
When Qui-Gon enter Watto's shop, the first person they meet is Shmi, as she meticulously cleans some electronic devices. "Sand, ruins the equipment. Needs constant cleaning." When asked where her boss is, she replies "my owner is in the heavy equipment yard, through [doors]." Then some yelling happens... at which she tells them to "just follow the yelling". There they see Watto and Anikan having a "discussion" about the modifications Anikan did to some equipment for a nearly completed Pod Racer. Qui-Gon does his Jedi Mind Trick... and leaves empty-handed.
He takes Padme and Jar Jar to a pub/bar while he talks to the ship's chief engineer on what parts they can cannibalize to pay for the hyperdrive... during this conversation, the pub/bar closes as a sandstorm is approaching. On the streets, they encounter Anikan and Shmi. Anikan invites the three to stay with them at their home in the slave quarters. They make it to their home as the standstorm starts to intensify... and the home is a 1-bedroom apartment. Shmi uses the communicator to inform Watto they arrived safely and he informs them that the storm will last for a few days.
During those few days they are unable to leave, Padme and Anikan bond, exchanging stories, as Anikan spends his time building a C-3PO unit he hopes to sell to buy their freedom from Watto. Jar Jar, C-3PO, and R2 entertain themselves with some games... and Shmi and Qui-Gon discuss Anikan being a force sensitive, and how Anikan forces himself to be the best to keep Watto happy... It's from Shmi that Qui-Gon learns of how much people bet on the up coming race, which is why Watto is frustrated at how long its taking Anikan to finish the pod racer, as he has already entered it and the no-show fine is large enough to leave him in debt for many months.
Seeing an opportunity to legitimately pay for the Hyperdrive, Qui-Gon starts to spend time at the betting house which is keeping track of all bets. While there Watto makes a boast, which Qui-Gon bets "his" ship that Watto's choice of winner wouldn't win and in exchange, he gets the two slaves. Well... we all know what happens when Watto throws his chance cubes in front of everyone... and loses the "toss". Watto asks Qui-Gon who he is betting on winning, in which he replies, Anikan will. This pisses off Watto so he storms out of there, as their wagers were duly recorded.
After the race Qui-Gon arrives at Watto's shop... and gains possession of his winnings and the hyperdrive they needed. Watto tells them the chip was surgically implanted in Anikan's spine. Then storms off to prepare the hyperdrive for delivery leaving his slave to say good bye to her son. Shmi tells Anikan to take C-3PO with him... as it won't be enough to pay for her freedom, she never had the heart to tell him that, so as to not crush his optimism. They part.
On the trip to Coruscant, Padme and Anikan spend time together. Just as they arrive she gives him her personal contact information because this is a new planet, and having a friend to help navigate the nuances is always a good thing to have. She promises to send him Life Day gifts if he's willing to do the same.
During the battle, as a Pod Racer _isn't_ the same as a Naboo Starfighter, he crashes it. Before he's captured, the Trade Federation Viceroy surrenders to Queen Amidalla, and so does the military assets of the Federation (surrender or die is a very good motivator). After the peace celebration, she approaches him and informs him that she'll keep her promises to him, if he's willing to keep his promises to her. Breaking all protocol, he hugs her.
This establishes his motivations beyond "he has a kind heart". This establishes a relationship between Anikan and Padme that's healthy. The whitewashing of slavery in phantom Menace, combined with Anikan's young age really screws with character development.
*Shakes Head*
I'll just stop myself here. I don't want to rewrite an entire trilogy in a comment section of a youtube video, lol.
The Sequel Trilogy... every character was inconsistent between movies... sometimes even within the same movie. What was Kylo Ren's motivations? In The Force Awakens... he wanted to complete his training... which is why he had to kill Han, to convince Evil Lord Snoke that he's ready for the advanced lessons. Why was he venerating his grandfather? What was Finn's motivations in TFA? If he didn't want to kill, then why did he kill all those troopers in the hangar bay? What was his motivations in TLJ? What was Rey's motivations? Why would she help a Droid, just to tell him to get lost? She was being offered several months worth of _food_ for him, and she refused. Yet, she was willing to drop everything to help the "Resistance"... like... _why?_ "Because that's what the plot required" is the only answer to those questions...
“you never look at this scene the same way again”
That’s easy when I never look at it again, period.
Rian johnson is a fucking retard and I hope this retard never gets another job.
I only watched this movie once. It's been nice not having to worry about looking at this scene ever again
When I saw the movie in the theatres, I thought that when Luke showed up, and survived the blasts, we were going to get to see luke at his full power, and reinforcements arrive, but instead, we got more stupid escape scenes, and Rey being way too powerful for the amount of training she received.
I was gutted after Finn was saved by Rose. His death would have had so much gravitas, sacrificing himself for everyone else after he chose to run away before, true character development! But no, she had to crash him out in the open, then kiss him...
sexually assault him* . No one wanted that kiss, especially finn, who completely ditches and sidelines her in the next film lol.
@@winstonsmith8482Thank God for that. Maybe in the new jedi order film with Rey he could hook up with that horse riding Blackie girl on Exegol and not some useless, agenda driven sacrifice crasher. But hey, everyone has their tastes. Here's mine. I'm sure a lot of us can either agree or blacklist me for spme reason. Y'all can @ me now. Much love and respect.
I hope he is Aussie.
They tried to remake the battle of Hoth and capture the suspense and tension of that battle and failed.
The only they could have possibly made the laser battering ram work would have been if the base was surrounded by a shield like echo base was. At least on Hoth the empire had a legit reason why they had to land so far away.
The issue is, in Empire they had to land instead of being able to do an orbital strike to take out most of the base's defences. Due to arriving close enough to the planet for the Rebels to realize they were under attack and the Rebels putting up their planetary shield.
In Disney Wars 2, they didn't have to land. There was no shield, so an orbital bombardment by the Whitepire would've just ended it nice and efficiently, then the Whitepire could've just landed for clean up.
or at least give some reason like they couldn't land closer because they'd risk getting shot while dropping onto the surface by those laser canons or something
@@ThreadnaughtThat's because the people who wrote the Empire Strikes Back thought about what they wrote and didn't publish their rough draft as the final script lmao
They really couldn't go two minutes without comedy. The red dust painting the battlefield is supposed to symbolize the blood of the fallen, but then you got dumb Disney puns and the stupid porg it's slapstick while screaming.
@@skyfifer5443,
Well... the Porg were included in the movie because they are CGI costumes of the fauna of the islands the studio used for Jake's exile. Of course, they went with them even further because... _toys._
The best part about it is that the old ships they are using apparently dont even have weapons, since they didnt shoot a single laser from them, so it was just a pretty visual scene where rebels went on a literal suicide mission then turned back.
All for the camera baby!
A suicide mission implies the existence of an objective. I'm convinced the resistance was just committing suicide.
Bro they did have weapons, they just wouldn't have been effective against the First Order machines. Each ski speeder had twin medium laser cannons on the tip of its wing opposite the cockpit. I'm not trying to discount your point that the whole operation was stupid, but if you could do some research before commenting, that'd be nice
@@newsaxonyproductions7871 Disney just likes Star Wars craft flying as low to the ground as possible
They have weapons, apparently chose not to use them, and the laser cannons on Finn’s ship gets melted by the heat of the focusing laser.
Every time someone tells me to stick around and wait till the end I leave
The worst part was Rose sacrificing herself to prevent Fin from sacrificing himself... What was that message even supposed to be??? Almost as good as when she freed the horses for 5 minutes (before they were rounded up again) and left the children in slavery. Left actual children in slavery without a thought.
You forgot the part where Kylo ordered all firepower blasting Luke.
All that insanity because Luke held a lightsaber over his sleeping form.
Imagine if Luke told him, “That was supposed to be a training match about repelling sneak attacks”
Nah that was the funniest shit I had seen in any star wars film ever
More.... MORE!!
@@conorrigoli7578
We need an edit where Kylo Ren is replaced with "MOAR Krabs"
And how was Luke able to create a "Force projection"? When was that even an ability in SW period?
As bad as you exposed this scene for being, I still think the hyperspace ram is the worst scene in Star Wars. It invalidates every single space battle in all of Star Wars. If it only destroyed the capital ship, it would at least only ruin the main event of each fight, the destruction of a capital ship. But it also destroyed all of the ships behind it, which means entire fleets can be knocked out with a single ship. It snaps the canon in half. Then the rise of skywalker duct tapes it with it’s lazy “one in a million” line, broke it into quarters with force healing, and disintegrated it with palpatine returning.
Yeah... You can argue the Rebels or the Republic wouldnt use this tactic in a large scale, but the Separatists with their droids sure would... Let alone the empire. Also this makes every ship basically a planet busting weapon in itself. Such stupid scene.
@@Debilinside The rebels absolutely would have. They just would have left the ships empty.
Mabey he was trying to invite the first order over for a coffee!!!
bindi
The Battle of Crait showed no real-world military application to it. With the battle of Hoth, even though it had some flaws (still the best battle in all of Star Wars), it had a clearcut rational plan for the events that made up the engagement. Not only was Admiral Ozzle's maneuvering to close to Hoth a problem for Darth Vader, as it meant that the Rebel Alliance was made aware of the Empire's arrival, but it also resulted in the Echo Base shield being activated, which in turn denied the Empire their best weapon of planetary bombardment, compelling Vader to send General Maximillian Veers, his walkers, and his snow troopers to launch a potentially costly ground offensive. Furthermore, Rebel Alliance General Carlist Rieekan had erected multiple layers of trenches to provide a means of slowing down any offensive by ground forces so as to evacuate personnel from the base and effectively deployed his snow speeders to give ariel support that was denied to the imperial forces. And though Echo Base did fall, General Rieekan had achieved his key objectives of saving as many troops as possible, keeping the Rebel Alliance's core of conventional units intact, and did inflict some blows to the Imperial Army. General Veers was able to take a key Rebel base, but he was unable to truly destroy the Rebel Alliance's command structure or the regular forces that its partisans would be able to rally around in key campaigns.
I also love that didn't hand-wave the escape either with the ion-cannon clearing the way.
The rebels activating their shield also denied the Empire a good landing zone. In Legends, it was stated that they had to land on the opposite end of a treacherous valley and carefully traverse it to even come within attack range, giving the rebels more time to prepare and even causing the Empire to lose three walkers to the harsh terrain.
@@shadowslayer205 That is still canon according to Disney. They didn't change the fact that AT-AT barges had to land in a dangerous position and slowly walk their ass into Echo Fields.
Im sorry, but Hoth cant compete with any battle of The Clone Wars TV show. And even movie wise, the final space battle of ROTJ is wayy better imo.
Yes. Solid comment overall; just wanted to say, though, that the idea of "erecting" a trench seems a bit paradoxical. But of course I know what you mean.
Missed opportunity to have Rose take out Finn, but loses her own life in the process. Finn survives because of plot armor. Then cut back to General Hux with a SEG on his face saying "Our spy has proven herself. Release her family." Quick flashback to Rose passing a handwritten note to one of the First Order troopers while on the capital ship showing she was actually the one to give away the Rebel... I mean Resistance... plan to abandon ship using the smaller vessels and not the other guy. It would explain her character being so awful and knowing full well releasing a couple animals from their enclosures just to be captured at a later date was the very unethical choice when child slavery was in their face.
Rose being the Spy could've been something good since they brought it up, should've played it out.
👏👏👏👏👏MAGNIFICENT
Damn, most of disney's writers be like :0. It should be foreshadowed tho
But you need someone who can write for this. Rian can't
@@inkyrainstormwhat do you mean Disney's writers? I remember Rian taking the whole credit for the script 😂
A rip off of the battle of hoth
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And at least Battle of Hoth makes sense then the battle of Crait
This is an insult to Star Wars, unlike in Crait, in Hoth there was several reasons to land away from the base: risk for activation of a planetary shield, trenches to cause trouble to walkers, new tech weapons...
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@Christmas_Joethat's the joke
I’m pretty sure that chat gpt could write a better star wars movie using space balls as a prompt
I think it’s safe to say that there are 7 Star Wars movies1-6 and rouge one everything else is basically a bad fanfic that should be collectively deleted and scrubbed
Imma be honnest I kinda liked the Force Awakening for some good idea. Not the best but at least it was entertaining. Now for the last 2...
Let just say they should have exploded with the starkiller station
@@Puechamp Too many people let The Force Awakens slide. It's just as bad as both of it's sequels. It has no originality or personality. It's literally a blank slate copy of a film.
@@TheFirstCurse1 at least it was entertaining
When the two others don't even have that
@@Puechamp force awakens is just change the homework a little so the teacher does't know of new hope which is the only reason it is ok
@@TheFirstCurse1 I remember when I went to the cinema to watch The Force Awakens with my family, we had a good time but my parents were surprised to hear that I was left disappointed, I told them it was a modern copy of A New Hope and explained them why, and then they realized
Ima be real here, Kylo surviving is something I won't complain since he's a seriously strong force user(not skill wise). But Rose and Finn surviving definetly is pure bullshit.
The cinematography of that battle was some of the best in the franchise. A high iron soil content covered in a layer of salt was a brilliant and perfectly executed idea. I am dead serious, but the problem is nothing could save that movie from it's own bad script. You could swap out the cinematography with the battle of Hoth and it would actually improve Hoth. Once you accept that the cinematography was that good, it only helps drive home the point that the script was so terrible that nothing could save it.
That could describe most of the sequel trilogy. Looks pretty, but completely garbage script.
No. The actual models used in Empire are FAR MORE convincing than the cartoons used in "Last Jedi." It wasn't better. The movie is an inferior copy of Empire that uses sand instead of snow...
@@johnhonker437I dont like sand...
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@@Window_ig Why would you dislike sand? Is it becourse it's coarse and rough? Or because it gets everywhere?
@@Biergartenparadoxon yeah, thats why I like the stress balls, they're soft, flat and they stay in one place...
@6:04 that speeder did get hit. You can see the blaster bolt for a couple frames.
Pedantry aside, you nailed why TLJ sucks so much. Every time I see one of these videos, I never think the “TLJ is just a shiny pile of turd” evidence can’t get any bigger and yet it does. It’s like a bottomless rabbit-hole of crappy film.
6:05 you can see a blaster bolt hitting the garbage bin ship
I mean,
I don’t like this movie either,
but yah I saw the blaster bolt hit the tail when it was slowed down.
Nice pfp btw
Ngl I was on my way to say the exact same thing.
which makes the scene .00000125% less crappy.
@ ya
Rose "we most save the ones we love".
Meanwhile everyone else they love is about to die and they only survive because of something she didn't know would happen
"And also ourselves"
An entire squad of pilot died and none of them achieving what was planned. During all of that, rose managed to save one man while the entire base explodes, potentially also killing some ppl in the pit
And then they proceed to not have a relationship after the film. Jedi Christ, the magic of film comes from many things,
including subtlety and/or detail, neither of which exist in this scene and also doesn’t exist in the next film. How am I suppose to like characters that not even the writers want to push forward? You make the characters and I hope that I enjoy the way you present them, which is not what happened. There’s glimmers of hope, but hope has to be realized and not just shined for one second.
On the plus side the planet has enough salt for a entire planet of fries
New from McDonald’s the MCPLANET!
Sounds like my kind of planet 😂
gimmie fries
I can't say that I had seen a single one of those speeders fire a single shot... Really... Not only did they do no damage in those speeders, but they really didn't even make an attempt to. They genuinely were just useless cannon fodder. You'd think that Finn and the rest of the pilots would have at least tried to shoot at the laser ram before Finn decided to throw himself into it, but that makes sense, so of course they didn't bother.
This battle scene was appalling. @Jedwerd, you cover many of the illogical, broken tactical moves, but the one I could not understand that does not really get mentioned, the First Order got their super laser siege battering-ram cannon in place and promptly cracked the bunker door open like an egg, but didn't leave it on for another 12 seconds to just... cook everything inside the fortification.
Gotta make the grunts work for their... do they even get paid?
something something power cycles
When I first saw the trailer, I thought maybe the little speeders kicking up dust would be used for some tactical purpose, and we'd have some asymmetrical warfare like in TESB. The battle of Hoth had some world-building -- the Empire used AT-AT walkers to get through snow and take out ground targets, the Rebels used harpoon cables from T-47 fighters to exploit a weakness in the heavily armored walkers that their blasters couldn't takeo out. But nope, lol, the only reason they kicked up dust was to make busywork for ILM.
I feel like Disney couldn’t decide on rens character. When you first see him in force awakens, he is wearing his mask and he straight up stops a blaster and he seems so intimidating. But later, he makes hasty, kind of stupid decisions. I feel like both could have worked but not together :/
What irked me the most in this battle is when a guy verifies it's salt by tasting the ground.
First, given you are on a foreign planet, you have no way of knowing if the stuff you are standing on is safe to be around to begin with, let alone to put in your mouth. Us earthlings know not to taste the ground, and we know our planet. Especially given that underneath the white stuff is red dust. The 'salt' could easily be the red dust after air exposure. Also, just because it tastes like salt, doesn't mean it IS salt. The salt part is unnecessary. Just say nothing, and every one will think it is white sand which works just as fine.
The sequels are just Rey saying she is no one, Finn saying Rey, and Kylo Ren mumbling things under his breath.
And lets not forget turning older characters into a complete joke
Ben Skywalker would have probably saved the trilogy, but the damage is done, so idk
That's the problem, star wars always have had misses like the prequel triology or sequel triology.
Your thoughts and comments on Rose, Finn, and Ray sum it up perfectly.
Rose's character didn't bring anything to the movie. I feel bad for the actor, I know with better writing she could have created a very beloved character!
I laughed more than once during this great video. You made an honoring point about the actress that plays Rose. That character should have never been in the movie. Chocolate Milk/Piano Man😆too
Thanks champ, glad you liked it!
The entire movie makes sense if you view Rose as a malfunctioning sleeper agent who SOMETIMES opposes the Resistance/Rebels, and Admiral Holdo as a traitor to the Resistance who's getting them killed, and has a change of heart at the end.
Good Points, I hate the sequels and how stupid, inacurrate, and unlogical they are, it is literal disrespect for everything George Lucas spent years creating, only for the clowns at disney to ruin Starwars.
A bunch of people randomly in star wars battlefront 2 make more tactical decisions than the entire disney star wars
They do.
Ryan Johnson literally wrote this scene around the red salt aesthetic
😂😂😂
6:03 when you slow it down you can see a very thin laser for like 1 frame
Came here for this. It’s more than one frame but is very brief and is way more obvious during the slowmo. Yeesh.
i know im MAD late but, at 6:00 if you look at the bs singular ski, you can see a bolt looking thing beneath it, possibly damaging a small component or throwing it off balance? like a brick hitting a wheel ig
Yea he’s just wrong about that part. You can clearly see a bolt hit the speeder thingie
The worst scene is the Holdo Maneuver/ Sacrifice ramming a smaller ship into a much bigger ship and all the implications that come with it makes a mockery of every space battle before and makes every space battle after look dumb i hear myself saying "why don't they just have a droid on a near hyperspace ship and use it as a missle/torpedo"
It's wild that something can look so beautiful but be so stupid
It was a one in a million event. That means Holdo was trying to run away but accidentally died. ❤😂
That only goes to show how forgettable The Force Awakens was. They got the Millennium Falcon onto Starkiller Base through the shields by travelling at hyperspeed, and Han Solo explains that only worked because First Order are idiots and have a special shield refresh rate that allows that to happen.
@@BungieStudiosYes. By their own words, Holdo was using everyone else as bait, tried to run, and got INSANELY unlucky!
@@ailius1520Also Snoke’s strategy was monumentally stupid. He put all of his star destroyers behind the supremacy when they should’ve been protecting it as that was literally their capital (Central government that contained shipyards, resources, and prominent leaders) but no. He then he put his supremacy at the forefront of the battle before goading the resistance to attack it.
By doing that, he left his own capital vulnerable which led to it getting destroyed by Holdo as seen in the movie. Without a capital, the First Order technically already lost in that film as logic dictates that it would’ve fallen apart.
Unfortunately, due to nonsensical contrivances, the film just suggests that the First Order was invading the Galaxy by the end of TLJ which makes no sense. How would they be able to maintain control if their system of government and resources are gone?
There is one good thing about the battle imo. The terrain looks really good. I like the read ground covered in a layer of salt aesthetic.
I also like that part, again, people exagerate with the sequels, it's not good, but some aspects are good. (Epic PFP btw)
@@lecorbeauanonyme8458No, you are defending garbage. We are talking about a multibillionaire producer here, with modern technology. The movie looking good is the absolute minimum to expect, especially from a series like SW. And you act like that makes up for the aweful writing, but it doesnt. Stop your fanboying bs dude.
Gun sitting OUTSIDE: perfectly fine
Speeder sitting INSIDE: barely functions and falling apart
69/420 battle
also I want more irl Jedwerd
lol thanks champ
They could have added a phrase about installing the guns in the turrets. So you have good guns but bad targeting systems, that explains why the shots go lower and hit the ground.
@@toddkes5890yeah, but that requires effort
A few things would’ve saved this movie:
Rose dies in the bomber fight over Ilenium
Her sister takes the role of Rose.
They are greeted by Lando Calrissian, proprietor of this casino.
Holdo doesn’t take command, instead it’s the commander who announces Leia’s injury and death of Ackbar.
Rose’s sister then knocks Finn out of the way as she proceeds to join the force and take out the gun.
Finn: "Rose? How did you get here before me?"
Rose: "huh... how did we, Kronk?
Kronk: "Well you got me. By all accounts it doesn't make sense."
Rose: "Oh well, back to ruining both our character arcs."
I must have missed that scene in Palpatine's New Groove...
i don't care that this comments a month old this is literal gold 😂😂
Rose: "Pull the afterburner lever!"
*lever gets pulled, craft goes into RUD (Rapid Unplanned Dissasembly)*
"WRONG LEVEEEEEEEEEEEER"
One thing I would like to know is how did Fin and Rose make it back to the group without being shot at sneaking around their fight?
They used a mythical force technique, which was almost lost to time; plot armour XD
I think using the Shitty Speeders could have worked if there was a few scenes explaning the following:
- We cant damage the Battering ram due to it having a shield protecting from laser fire.
- They come up with the idea of using speeders and missiles to blow it up, since a missile and other phisical objects might/will phase through it, given the shields design. (Basicaly think of the Gunggun Shields from Episode 1)
- This however raises the problem that the First Order can easly shoot down any missiles fired from the base, wich is why theyre that far back, giving them a good window of time to shoot any missile targeting the Laser, while sending in walkers to mow down the soldiers and keep any other missiles at bay.
- They soon realize they dont have enough time to fix the speeders and given their really bad situation, the Pilots agree to do it aniways, knowing its going to be a Suicide Mission.
- Due to the short amount of time and the speeders condition, most either dont work (leaving only 13 that barely work), and some are actual death traps, due to lagging behind, or due to engines overheating and explode.
- Everyone keeps getting shot down but Finn whos closests has a chance to fire, but due to the shitty speeder, the missiles do not fire, so he realizes what he has to do.
This could have improved it abit, but theres alot of problems.
so like, the final battle of Independence Day. that's not a criticism, that part was awesome.
@@DarkJarris I never watched that movie infortunally and problaby should, but Yes.
Honeslty theres several ways to improve and fix this battle scene to be decent.
@@DarkJarris In hindsight, attacking a giant 15 mile diameter alien spaceship with amraams wasn't a very good idea.
Yes, that would've Fixed a quite a few Problems, not all but some.
Really, some of the nitpicks were baseless for similar reasons. Saying you'd take the firing squad over getting in those things is ridiculous, these are true to the cause rebels who already risk their lives daily for less, let alone the defense of their base. Like imagine your superior coming up and being like "Get in the speeders, the empire is here!" and you're like "Nah I'd rather die and allow all of my peers to die."
These are all really good points though, studio could have used this level of critical thinking when it comes to pacing and actually explaining why things are the way they are. Star Wars historically is full of plot holes (cause otherwise it would make for shit entertainment), but there's no reason they can't atleast offer some level of explanation for stuff like this, and still keep everything they shot mostly similar.
It would be better if leia said:"i know a way" and then explained the battle of hoth
Tbh, like you said, i was super happy with the performance of the actors, theyre not to blame for shite writing, they did good.
The worst part of their call for help is how they give up immediately. The main plot point of the movie is that the space ship runs out of fuel and stops. Why do they assume that the rest of the resistance, which is presumably hiding out throughout the galaxy is going to have fully fueled and armed ships, complete with crews and supplies on standby, just waiting to instantly respond?
The Rose character is truly weird. They took someone who is arguably quite attractive IRL, made her fatter, made her dumpier, and made her stupid, and made her a target. There really is something to the idea that Disney sacrifices actors' careers to create characters for people to hate which drives online division which creates, clicks, views blah blah. Its hugely cynical and disgusting behaviour.
this is one hell of a comment
Literally a character that had no purpose. Everything she was part of had negative results and was just time wasting in the movie.
Could you define "dumpier" in this situation pretty please? I wanna know
@@Savajj_nahold, in common parlance it means somewhat unkempt in appearance. I found no issue with this descriptive. The character was a woman slightly overweight with what looked like a mash up of a wardrobe, and part of every piece of gross ineptitude in this film. A horrid character that was irrelevant.
@@andrewsmith9174 thanks pal
Battle of Crait is literally a rip off of the Battle of Hoth...
At least Hoth was done right and felt like both sides were acting competent. The Rebels knew their position was indefensible and the Empire had the advantage of orbital support and specialized ground troops and armor attached.
The Empire was absolutely competent, leading with a combined arms effort. Granted, they did not provide air cover for the AT-AT's, but the Snow Speeders were agile yet fragile. It felt like a genuine victory for the Empire and a defeat for the Rebels. And it was a pell mell retreat for the Rebels as well, completely scattered to the wind, and unable to regain communications with various sections of its overall strength. It bought the Empire time to reorganize and begin attempts at following leads to deal with the remaining rebels...
The reason why the dumpster speeder attack fails is because, again, they had to undermine Poe's aggressive nature by once again showing that he is incompetent. Which is weird considering that the movie literally started with him taking aggressive action and destroying a First Order ship that was going to destroy most of the Resistance fleet if it got its weapons readied up.
And he got belittled for it by Leia... Of all people... Who's entire youth as a Rebel Commander was about taking wild chances and coupling it with aggressive action.
When in doubt, attack.
Leia began to really get on my nerves because she wanted to lead the Resistance and help fight against the First Order, but didn't want to sacrifice people for it... Nevermind that her first introduction was literally sacrificing an entire ship to get Death Star plans away from the Empire, on two droids, and hoping Ben Kenobi retrieves it in time...
And her refusal to speak cost her everything, including her home planet...
Rian is just... He's an idiot.
Rose was the most useless individual of the film.
Some people even came to the conclusion that she was a spy working for the Empire, considering the actions she'd often take were counterintuitive...
The thing I hate about this scene is when Finn is knocked out of the beam and is told
"It's not about fighting the thing you hate, it's about saving the thing you love."
*...it takes effort to fuck up THAT HARD*
The absolute worst part about that is it's not even Finns character to "fight what he hates." He wanted to run away with his friends and save Rey the entire time. Then decides to sacrifice himself to SAVE his friends then gets that line? She has no idea what she's even talking about. Should have used that teleportation power to do something actually useful.
6:03 I think trying to bring that rust bucket back from the dead might be the reason it blew up xd
Also remembering the idea of Finn's sacrifice genuinely gave me goosebumps. If he died here, the scene would have been heartbreaking, but it'd have been powerful and made the whole movie so much deeper
Which is precisely, why you don't cop out on scenes like that
Honestly, I'd say it's not that kinda movie, but even as a casual viewer, you're gonna see some of these cracks and they could have put some love, or at least backthought into this thing
I'm I the only one see the red laser hit it?
@@Capense-q9mIt showed up for a single frame but it was there, you aren't the only one.
@@Elysium4this is what I was looking for
@@Capense-q9m You're not, I do not necessarily LIKE the sequel, but let's also not exaggerate, the battle wasn't terrible either. And for the actual command @philardo , I also think it could've been heartbreaking like in rogue one, but oh well...
@@lecorbeauanonyme8458 Nope, it was terrible. Everything about the battle was just dumb.
You forgot about one thing: why didn't Kylo notice Luke was holding the lightsaber he broke moments ago? Wasn't it hard to just implement his green and real lightsaber there?
Eh, it's Luke Skywalker, the guy who beat Vader, the guy who taught a class of Jedi, the guy who did all sorts of stuff. Of course Luke Skywalker can put a lightsaber back together with the force. Luke Skywalker is Star Wars' in-universe Chuck Norris.
@@ExtramrdoChuck Norris wants to have a -word- sentence with you
That shit drove me nuts on the first viewing...dude you just ripped that thing to pieces like 20 minutes ago! furthermore, wouldn't better writing have been to have Kylo "triggered" by the lightsaber Luke supposedly was going to kill him with rather than his grand pappy's
@@Extramrdo What kind of justification is that?
Not defending the movie... But Finn was slowed down because of being exactly in front of the canon, you can see it in the movie, so it's possible that she had enough time to come back and crash into him.
8:55 It's worse: she's actually on the opposite side of where you're pointing. At one point after Finn speaks, she looks to her right, seemingly at him. If she was on the side you indicate, she would just be looking off into the distance of Crait.
I really appreciate that you separated the actress from the character. It's wrong that so many people bullied her over her role
I do recommend Raya
It’s not Shakespeare it was a decent fantasy flick and Tran holds her own
If you believe the actress was really bullied, rather than false flag or no posts at all, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
While I’m sure some claims of racism are warranted, defenders of disney star wars cling to the tired old excuse of racist harassment anytime a minority actor/actress is criticized. It was never confirmed why Tran left Twitter. If you know otherwise, please share with the internet. We’re all dying to know the truth.
@@treyhelms5282 I mean, I think there was some controversy surrounding her, but that it came almost entirely from Mainland Taiwan.
@@treyhelms5282 If you don't believe she was bullied, I can go get a shovel to help you dig your head out of the sand. Actors saddled with terrible characters always get shit for it.
3:30 This is actually a Military Maneuver to make an enemy think you have more then you really have. It’s usually only used by very aggressive tacticians (Notably Napoleon). Leia, regardless of what you believe, has always been tactically aggressive. It is in character, so it makes sense for Leia to attempt this. The difference, she doesn’t have the old guard of ex Clone War Generals/Officers with her like she did in the Rebellion to keep her straight if it’s too nonsensical.
- However this was not explained in the movie, I’m just pointing out that it isn’t an illogical military maneuver, just an unlikely one.
What is unredeemable is the fact the First Order never questions how much the Resistance really has left, while having a massive fleet above the planet. They could just send down more troops if needed. Yet they pace themselves attacking and walk calmly through the base like they aren’t even expecting to get ambushed. The stormtroopers didn’t even look ready to fight, more like they are bored.
Third, it makes no sense why the Resistance would even try calling for back up on 30 year old equipment and never consider the possibility that the First Order, with a massive fleet right above them, is jamming their signal!
There is so much nonsense in this battle that could have been covered
Rose basically: "ive doomed everyone so i can stop you from stopping the canon thats about to kill everyone so we can then get shot in a few seconds"
2:48 gonna argue aginst the laser thing. Lasers do lose power quickly over range. There is Laser point defense systems IRL and they can only take on missles and aircrafts a mile out.
Yeah. Jedwerd doesn't seem to know anything about laser physics.
even if true. the 2nd point of land closer or use orbital weapons to bombard the ground still stands.
My thoughts exactly. It's kinda funny because in general laser weapons are just so much less effective than kinetic ones but we have to suspend disbelief anyways to watch Star Wars. Then they further mess up things by doing nonsensical things like this
Doesn't seem to matter anywhere else in the series
@notme8232 This is the first time I saw laser weapons in starwas. All the other weapons are just super heated gas, not laser weapons.
At 6:05, the speeder does get shot. Although it is very difficult to see, if you slow down the video to 1/4 speed you can see thecannon shot for ~2-3 frames.
He also mentioned in the beginning of the video that spaceships would be easy to see when silhouetted against space if someone just looked out the window. Pretty sure that would make it very difficult to see. Maybe if it was silhouetted against the planet, but even then, it would be near impossible to notice it by accident.
@@amanko1357How is something being silhouetted against pure black going to make it harder to see?
@@oberonpanopticon it's not about being silhouetted against against the colour black, it's about the vastness of space and the perception of distance.
That was a blatant miss
The fact that Kylo didnt catch onto the fact that Luke was using the saber he just ripped apart with Rey and realize it was a fake is by far the dumbest moment they gave him.
Arguably being as emotional as he was he could just be too angry to really pay attention. Too focused on the warped, misguided and manipulated anger he felt towards Luke. Would've been a supporting narrative detail if intended that way, but honestly I doubt they did.
The fact that Kylo thinks he can take on the man who defeated the emperor and his favourite grandpa Vader is hilarious. Luke would have stomped the emo fuck.
The fact that IRL Jedward made a perfect straight line without knowing is crazy
From a visual perspective this is my favourite scene in the sequels, but yeah plotwise it's an embarrassment
The whole movie is a visual spectacle, for sure, but when you start to actually analyze the plot it just feels hollow.
@@mikefrost5575 nah the whole movie doesn't look nearly as good. I can name 3 moments that I genuinely found beautiful and they don't even add up to 5 minutes
The trilogy is just a visual spectacle
Just turn of your brain all laws and it works
Personally, I preferred the battle of Hoth though, where CGI wasn't even a thing, honestly, it aged well for stop motion, and its still enjoyable to watch.
It made for a pretty cool looking Battlefront 2 map I will be honest
if you want to make that big battering ram even more invalid, the whole reason for the battle of Hoth was because of the shield generators they had which covered them from orbital bombardments, but here they literally could just use a star destroyer to bombard them for days and then just send it what little they needed to clean up
They cant shoot forever, and remember the ion cannon on hoth, at the moment they stop to shoot because the weapons overheat the rebellion can just open the shield and use the ion canon again.
The ground assault was neccesary
(My english is bad by the way, in case i wrote something wrong)
I'm sure they couldn't do that because they didn't have enough fuel or something. 🙄
@@ElLetrasLocas,
"They can't shoot forever"... no... but they can blast the place apart over the course of hours, or days, with the extremely heavy weapons aboard Snoke's ship... those weapons would have had enough energy to annihilate the upper portions of the base... and superheat the air in the caves underneath, cooking everyone in them alive, or turn the sand into glass. Then, they can send a few companies of troopers to track the paths of survivors, assuming there were any survivors.
@@aralornwolf3140 i was talking about the batlle of hoth brotha
I mencioned the ion canon right there
@@ElLetrasLocas,
Oh. My bad.
Poe getting demoted for wasting pilots lives in an almost unwinnable frontal charge at the start of the movie.
But then Leia ordering he do exactly that again in this battle, is one hell of a character assassination against the senator.
Basically, the only good thing this movie had, was the lil crystal foxes.