Stupidest Things Said Defending Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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- Are the Last Jedi defenders crazy? Let’s take a look at what some of the Star Wars fans have to say. How stupid can the defence of Last Jedi get? Can Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson be defended? Has Star Wars finally lost its magic?
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George Lucas was not crazy he whont only 💰 that it even though he could of just pass star wars down to his kids in the future he chose not to.
Disney is like Darth Vader if he killed Luke Skywalker and went full Anakin Skywalker from Epsode 3 mixed with Anakin from Epsode 2 and has the voice of young Anakin.
This really echoed so many of my thoughts! Great content as always. Really solid editing. Also, thank you for putting the dismemberment and burning scenes together. I was arguing this point just this week.
There's a lot of dumb shit in this video, you've had 9 months to make a video like this. I expect better.
To Stratowind = Yes, training in the Force is more metaphysical than physical. Robot Head was just highlighting how Rey zero-to-hero progress goes against the decades of lore that was established by the franchise. Maybe it is true that "darkness rises and light to meet it," but it was like Rey won a the space magic Powerball lottery without even purchasing a ticket.
That blind guy in Rouge One needed years of training. Yoda studied and instructed the Force for centuries, and he still needed extra training by Qui-Gon Jinn. There's around three years between Episodes 5 and 6, in which Luke spent time privately training, so he could help save Han Solo and go toe-to-toe with Darth Vader. Typing of Vader, Anakin Skywalker, the immaculately conceived, off-the-scale midi-cholorean percentage, Chosen One of the Force, needed years of training in order to become a person that even Emperor Palpatine feared.
Therefore, it becomes an incredible hard pill to swallow that Rey was able to do all that she could within the span of at best 96 hours? Yoda was a Master Jedi for hundreds of years, but he needed his full concentration to life Luke's X-wing out of the swamp. Rey lifted dozens of boulders on her first try, and she din't even have a frown on her face.
And even if Rey basically "downloaded" Ben Solo's training during the mind probing, that still means that Ben Solo had years of training by Luke Skywaker (and presumably Snoke) to become badass enough to conduct a casual conversation while suspending blaster fire in mid-air.
As I've often said about Episode 7...
The Force doesn't just awaken in Rey. It got up, showered, shaved, put on its clothes, at breakfast, drove out of the garage, and is on its way to the office. LOL
Disney: "let the past die"
Also Disney: "we're gonna re-use everything from the originals and bank on the nostalgia fans have for the franchise because we've contributed nothing new of any substance"
Basically.
Wasn't Kylo Ren, you know, the villain who said that quote?
Captain Bozas exactly lol
@@Heisenberg929 But if the villian said it, isnt it supposed to be wrong? Ismt the villian wrong?
@@Aedpowell6490 Funny enough, good villains are ones you can relate to. In this case it's relatable to how Disney wants old star wars to die.
They argue that "It's for kids" and "it's too complex for you to understand" at the same time!
Yeah that's a really good point
That's their cognitive dissonance at full strength.
And if it's indeed for kids, why are they pushing their sexual deviancy into it? Really makes one think...
It's so simple, that only a child can do it
To be fair, a supporter of something might support it for different reasons than another supporter. Or better put, that multiple arguments for something which contradict eachother, because it is not a single individual that holds conflicting thoughts but multiple individuals with different views than eachother which lead to a similar conclusion.
Luke gets handed his lightsaber in TLJ. The same lightsaber that once belonged to his "dead" father. The same father that cut his hand off in a sick father vs son duel. The same father that he watched die after finally turning against the Emperor in RoTJ and finally gets closure after enduring unimaginable pain. He then just tosses the weapon aside as if it held no meaning to him...are you fucking kidding me?
Thraith He should’ve set it on a rock and walked away.
Almighty Supreme Leader Weegee that woulda made so much more sense
The idiots writers were looking for surface shock value of people watching, not for any meaningful reasons.The whole movie was based upon WTF moments, just to see the puzzlement on peoples' faces, which the evaluators recorded as positive enthusiasm.
So SO agree!!
Rian was just subverting our expectations. I walked into this movie expecting a competently written and directed film that would be at least somewhat entertaining. Boy, were my expectations subverted!
I'm 55 years old. At age 11, in 1977, I was Luke for Halloween. Since light sabers weren't even on store shelves, I made mine from a flashlight and plastic tube, like almost every other 11 year old I knew.
I was such a fanboy that in 1999 I was able to find a few brain cells which could like Jar Jar.
And THIS is the film that made me go "Star Wars? Meh."
Yeah, I sum it up this way:
Love the OT
Love to hate the PT
No feelings about the ST at all
Even Prequel haters say they'd rather listen to Jar jar binks then watch the ST
@@snarflechopper2098I'm a prequel lover and if the popular (and wrong) opinion is any indication, my hating the sequels should say a whole lot about their quality LMAO
same! ive still not even seen the rise of skywalker cuz "meh"
By now I have spend more minutes watching people telling me whats wrong with this film than I spend watching the actual movie. This is way more entertaining.
Same here. I am tempted to start a vote to remove their trilogy from canon.
I know right bruh the sequels need jesus
Awesome. BTW, fuck your entertainment.
Criticisim is the new entertainment! Otherwise youtube would be bust! No such thing as bad publicity!
Well he throws in some scenes so that should be enough. Not worth losing brain cells on the actual movies
Wait, Rian said that he hated how Luke got beaten by Vader in Empire?
wtf, how could Vader not wipe the floor with Luke in that movie? I guess that explains why Rey is so perfect.
S Ryan
Disney logic is good guy always beats the bad guy though.
@@ZenithGaming9 explain how hes a idiot
@@somepriest9700 I think the poor bastard misunderstood the comment. There's no way in heaven or earth to actually think that the new movies are well written
She's a Mary Sue.
I refuse to believe that he said that, its impossible that someone who lacks this much of basic understanding for storytelling was allowed to direct a multi billion dollar movie.
2:52 I don't remember Han giving Rey the Falcon, I remember Han DYING and no one stopping her from taking it
Including the person it objectively SHOULD have gone to, Chewbacca.
Apparently she gets Luke's X-wing, lightsaber, Tatoonie ranch, and last name too. Because patriarchy bad.
@@Raptor302 How do we make this character likable?
Giving her a compelling story, believable quirks and shortcomings? Making her grow as a character?
NAH, Just hand her everything cool for no reason! Fans will LOVE that!
Rey stole Luke's last name, Han's ship
@@StarWarsomania it should've went to Chewbacca and Leia then it would be Leia's choice to give it to someone else
I've heard "but rey is palpatine's grand daughter" but luke's grandfather is the force and his dad is the most powerful jedi of all time and he still trained alot and failed at times
Anakin himself failed in the prequels.
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 yep, that just makes rey even more ridiculous, (btw you shouldn't reply to comments 7 months later)
@@didgeridooo you shouldn’t reply to comments 7 months later? I wouldn’t bother unless I had something I really felt like saying but who gives a fuck it doesn’t affect you? 😂
@@didgeridooo How about 8 months?
@@didgeridooowhat about 9 months bozo? Who are you to tell people when to reply? The comment commodore?
That moment, when you realize that Jar Jar Binks, the most hated comedic relief side character of the prequels, actually had more character development and is overall a better written character than the protagonist of the sequel trilogy...
Meesa been every voice youssa ever heard
Fraser Cay you are probably the 7th person over the age of 14 to ever say that (no offense)
@Fraser Cay Me too.
Me three though especially just because of how hated and meme worthy he is
Rey took that most hated character position now lol
"You don't like strong women."
It's not the characters, it's how they're written. Look at Ahsoka. In the Clone Wars movie, she was just a cliche cartoon character. A lot of fans hated her. Then, over the course of the series, she became a legitimately strong character with her own moral compass and even developed her own views on the Jedi Order in general. Hell, she became one of the most important factors in Anakin's fall. Then came Rebels, where she became one of the most important people in building the Rebel Alliance. She went from being seen as a completely pointless (and kind of annoying) character to being a fan favorite because of good writing and storytelling.
EXACTLY! Add Cara Dune, Bo-Katan, Leia Bastila Shan and Mara Jade from Star Wars legends. All those I have listed are amazing female characters that are badass.
@@holdencross5904 Bo-Katan is part of the canon though and she’s getting her own show
Wesusa that great cause i love bo katan
@@Melonator13 Yeah Bo-Katan is pretty great. Hope her show does her justice.
i always l8ved ashoka. and asajj ventress
“You just don’t like change”
Question:
*did it change for the better?*
"You just don't like change"
- Germans to German Jews after Hitler was elected
Yep exactly my point
@@mateuszmarciniak2828 Very fucking deep if you think about it
@@mateuszmarciniak2828 "You just don't like change"
-Europeans to the American Natives after the colonization
@@saulesalejos4483 “You just don’t like change”
-Europeans to any Native that they’ve colonized their land on.
I am actually genuinely curious how Rian thought that Luke getting his ass handed to him by Vader was a valid criticism to why ESB was bad, like, who comes up with that conclusion? How can someone not understand how character development works while also being a director in Hollywood? Who hired this guy?? Better yet, who the fuck taught this guy!?
In the liberal world, I mean Kennedy Uber liberal world, success in life requires no effort or training. No sacrifice. That's why Rey could use the force like a master.
@@icecold9511 liberals destroy everything they touch
@@icecold9511 Lucas is a huge liberal moron.
@@MNskins11 Liberals are the people who make all the art you like.
It does explain why he thinks rey being perfect and being able to beat the bad guy no matter what is fine
Luke: *doesnt win against Vader after a few practices*
Rian Johnson: Be a lot cooler if you did
Well he's right about something that he is a bad writer
You can't just end an epic final battle in the first fight that's bad writing you have to build the moment when the hero fail then again rise to true final battle between good and bad
Ending it in the first fight between the two main characters the hero/ine and the villain/ness and you will have "The force awakens"and"the last jed"i
You realize that Luke did only train a couple times sure he loses once and then a year later wins which is a much shorter time then it takes most Jedi to train according to Lucas also Rey was trained by Luke who understands everything yoda taught him and probably can train her better than yoda could also maybe Rey is just more talented that Luke?
Henry Dobozy what the fuck? Rey barely even trained, and Yoda taught countless Jedi, where Luke had never taught anyone. It took a build up for Luke to be considered strong, and his skills are explained through his background. Rey is basically given everything, no one knows how she got good at scavenging, and theres no explanation for her to be overpowered. You don’t understand a bit of how characters are supposed to develop
@@austin0207 Well Luke did teach people before Rey, Kylo is one of them but not defending Rian's comment
@@henrydobozy8022 Vader could've killed luke if he wanted but he was his son, he was much stronger with the force, what hold back kylo against rey?
“It’s about saving what we love”
*entire rebellion is slaughtered behind her*
'Oh wait, let's not forget a kiss'
I was really hoping that Finn would make an "Independence Day" and just die there as a hero.
But no no. We needed him alive because.... SPACE HORSES.
@@saulesalejos4483 that scene was epic in Independence day
@@saulesalejos4483 I mean it would've been better than what he did in The Rise of Skywalker which was absolutely jack shit. They fucked over Finn so bad he could've been a jedi, a standout leader, or the guy who tried to redeem the stormtrooper but no...they made their black male lead a joke character...I mention he's black and a male because people seem to always point to 'diversity' when it comes to the Disney movies.
@@krishnarjunar2724 Hello boys, I'm Baaaaaaack!
Literally slaughters a room full of younglings.
TLJ fan: It's for children yo.
@Son of Darkness and the Lord of the Netherrealm,
Oh yeah the Tuskan raiders.....
I’m about to slaughter a room full of TLJ fanboys
the lava part
Their like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!
And they also want to infantilize Darth Vader who literally committed genocide
As a star wars fan, i watched the sequels when they came out. I didn't like them, but that's besides the point. I remember before the last jedi came out, i was kinda exited to see how luke would be portrayed. Than, i overheard something my sister said. She said apparently, luke gets the lightsaber, and and just throws it behind him. I swear, i literally hoped so hard, that she was wrong. I actually didn't even believe her. I thought "no way luke would do such a thing". And.... well, you all probably saw the movie.
I did. Unfortunately.
I'll never forget my expression changing from awe to a frown. I walked out of the theatre feeling empty and disappointed. I was 16 years old.
RIght LoL
I agree there were certainly just dumb things that ruined the other movies like burning the Jedi tree, Luke throwing the lightsaber and the magical fairy flight in space
@@cha0s883 god bless the last Jedi
Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Mark Hamill?
It’s not a story Disney would tell
Mark hammock the wise
Who was so wise and powerful in the ways of the force that he could even live after a the bullshit Disney pulled
My guy saw his character get ruined right in front of his eyes
@@GloomyOrange05 he doesn't get to be called wise for this train wreck friend
a good question. for another time.
Damn Luke is really Padme's son, he died for no reason just like her
Edit: Holy crap thank you for all the likes and may the force be with you
Padme at least died logically, following a set of "rules" in the star wars universe: a force user used Force Choke, to suffocate her, leading to eventual death. "Rules" so simple that someone who's never watched Star Wars before can understand.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPLAIN LUKE'S DEATH?! He uses "force projection" to cast a fake version of himself while still on his hermit world, all the fucking way to NotHoth, and DIES because his force projection got stabbed????!!!
The only explanation I can think of is he became a Force Ghost like Ben Kenobi did, even then that's a stretch!
@@Manglet762 From what I got is that Luke expended all of his life energy making the hologram. Hence why the final chat with Leia happened. They both knew that Luke would die in the confrontation with Kylo, so they were happy to have the final chat (even with Luke ribbing her on her hair). Remember that Leia and Han wanted Luke to turn Kylo back to the light side?
Basically Luke ended the force projection when Kylo saw through his tactic and he dies.
His life energy?? What happened to the Force??
@@ertymexx It is clearly stated that using the force to that extent is tiring and consumes energy of the user. Luke's death was indeed lame as fuck, but not unlogical. Twin suns were a fucking nice touch tough.
But the moment Luke stepped out on the battlefield, NO ONE ELSE DIES IN THE REST OF THE MOVIE. He solves the problem in the most peaceful and logical way he can, like a Jedi is suppose to. What did you want and old CGI doing flips while taking down AT-AT? No. We got that in the prequels with Yoda and it was stupid
>Made for children.
> Writes scene literally murdering children.
Yes? Exactly!! Now the children are INVESTED in the movie!! :-P ;*D
Dorian Ertymexx Youngling: Master Skywalker, there’s too many of them. What are we gonna do.
Anakin: *ignites lightsaber*
Because that’s the thing with Lucas, he wanted to make intelligent movies for children, not mindless dribble that many corporations spew out.
Ep3 and all of the Disney Stars Wars are PG13 in the US, which means the Motion Pictures Association of American recommends to those watching this film: Parents strongly cautioned - Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Doesn't sound like it's "made for kids"
I watched that when I was 6 and laughed my head off. I think I’m a psychopath
There’s also a deleted scene of Luke grieving over Han’s death and it wasn’t in the actual movie but they had time to have Luke drink blue milk from a creature. Wtf?! Don’t you people dare tell me that that Han scene had the right to be deleted and the creature scene was worth including because it fit the story.
when you realize that making fun of this movie is more fun than actually watching the movie
Lol, true
U right 😂
Same goes making fun of a comment, more fun to troll / mess with than to just read and leave
The sequels make rebels look like a master piece
@@def3ndr887 yeah mostly well written imperial officers, didn't ruin old characters but added to their stories and rebels also had some masterpieces like ashokas fights, mauls fights/motives, sith involvement, kanan vs grand inq. And some of the aerial action like B-wing beating imperial blockade
*Movie receives tons of negative criticism
Directors and writers: "you're all just toxic and we are perfect. If you don't like it don't watch it"
*People actually stop watching
Directors and writers: **surprised Pikachu face*
I hear you man. Disney is garbage. It feels like I'm watching a comedy film instead of a film that's about the very serious nature of human beings killing each other for power, resources, domination, etc.
Alias 0311 input Battlefield V.
It’s like company’s don’t care for their consumer and if shits hits the fan they are really confused
All they want to do is push there sjw/feminist agenda they don’t care about the movies
I going to fight every cell in my body that wants to go see episode 9.
I've seen every star wars movie opening weekend (of recent years) and I brought 3 tickets to TLJ over 3 months before it came out. I walked out of the premiere, but return the next day to see I walked out just before Yoda showed up.
That's why I'm not planning to see rise of Skywalker if I do I'll watch it from a free streaming site so those assholes at Disney don't get paid
The “made for kids” argument is the dumbest. They should really drop it.
Terminator was for kids so...., at least all of the toys
I hate it because it implies that kid’s content isn’t allowed to be high quality, which isn’t true. It’s a lazy excuse for bad writing
the argument itself just makes the person using it as a defense look like even more of an idiot and man baby then who there insulting.
Some of the greatest movies and stories of all time are kids movies. The same people using that argument are also hyped and lined up ready to watch the latest Disney content, which includes Marvel. They're harry potter fans, cartoon fans, ect. Like the idea of watching a fictional movie (which is just a telling of a story with visuals so you don't have to imagine) or listening to fictional stories is childish. Or am i wrong? That argument is bullshit as jt implies that there's something wrong with having some childish desires or that something "childish" can't be good. Damn look at me rant. This isn't good for my health or my ADHD, i just go on for hours.
Made for kids just holds the series back
It’s sad to see how in almost every interview about the sequel trilogy Mark Hamill almost always seems to be in pain. He loved the franchise and being Luke Skywalker and then Disney killed it.
Nah mate, after seeing him throwing tantrums over his caracter not being the op god he had wet dreams about, and then spreading the hate, I lost all respect I had for the guy.
@@jonahdza Are you just gonna go into every reply about Mark Hamill and paste the same sentence over and over?
If you're not a bot, at least you've got a little dedication.
@@jonahdza Mark Hamill disagreed with an unnatural and unlikable take on Luke Skywalker, which feels like all his character development from the OG trilogy was completely destroyed. And yet he still went along with rian johnson’s vision. Rian Johnson openly said that his movie was better than empire, the greatest star wars movie. He doesn’t understand the concept of character development, or having characters people are attached to. You can’t go around mindlessly complaining about something you clearly do not understand. It’s ok if you like the last jedi, it’s not ok to disrespect Mark Hamill, who is one of the main reasons star wars is where it is today
I don't agree with Mark Hamill about a fair few things. But he absolutely cared about Luke Skywalker and Star Wars and they should have listened to him more.
@@jonahdza are you blind go take a eye test and come back with the results
Anakin and Padme are going to beat Luke and Leias a** after finding out they let Rey call herself a Skywalker
Let's kill some youngling
She doesn’t deserve that name
@@Alexanderc12345 she doesn't even deserve the name Palpatine
@@spectralknightgaming8364 very true
@@spectralknightgaming8364 at least Palpatine was smart, powerful for a reason, accomplished things following logic...
The fact that he thinks Luke losing his first fight against Vader and Han surrendering to an entire army of Stormtroopers and the galaxy’s best bounty hunter is a *bad* thing tells you all you need to know about his understanding of storytelling.
Precisely.
Rian must have some dirt on someone to be that under qualified and still get the job.
I hope lightsabers become real and make Hamill gets one and chops that cunt Rian in half while I hated tfa because it was a copied ripoff that added fuck all to Star Wars and made the original trilogy seem pointless seen as though it was empire vs rebellion again I mean the first 30 mins we’re a copy of a new hope which was lame the movie as a whole wasn’t disrespectful to Star Wars just unrogibal garbage than cane last Jedi and it was disgusting parody garbage agenda shit that was sickening. My 8 year old niece hated it she couldn’t believe that Luke would try to assassinate his own nephew who she thinks is a pussy btw just for sensing darkness when he wouldn’t kill his evil hand chopping Jedi killing father no matter what even when ob1 and yoda wanted him too and 8 year old girl found that shocking that tells you how much of a delusional twat rain Johnson is even mark hammill knows how shit the movie is
he clearly has no idea of such a basic concept as the heros journey which requires luke getting his ass kicked
@@liamholloway-sw7eu and breathe..
"Just stop watching"
Well if Solo's box office numbers being the lowest in franchise history for a live action film wasn't a good enough indicator, done.
Those were made for TV/VHS films and were not theater releases. Solo probably crushed the ewok film vhs sales totals in theaters and dvd/blu-ray sales but idk for sure on that, I'd be shocked if it didn't.
I own both Ewok movies on DVD. I do not own The Last Jedi.
'Nuff said.
Fr the bad outcome had nothing to do with solo itself it's because they destroyed out expectations with the last 2 and made us not want to sit through another shut show
along with the boycotters I do think there were people who just didn't give a shit...I said from the announcement of solo that I had no desire to see any star wars without force users, or an origin story that's unnecessary. I felt the same about rogue one and the mandalorean...and I'm definitely not watching a cassian andor show.
Ha ha ha
Oh no no no!
in relation to "you dont like female empowerment": Its also worth noting the original trilogy had a bunch of female empowerment. Leia was a bad ass in all the movies, rivaling han, threatening suicide bombing jaba, killing folks. In return of the jedi, the rebel mission to destroy the shield generators and take down the second deathstar was led by a woman. Its an insane argument to make.
At this point that argument is just a default
We also lovefemininity . There is nothing wrong with that.
I know I'm a year late, but I want to add on: People love to jerk off Thrawn, but the real core (and best, although that's subjective) plot of the EU was Jaina vs. Jacen/Caedus, at least until the dust of the Yuuzon Vong war cleared. For anyone unfamiliar, Jania and Jacen were Han and Leia's twins - specifically, Jania was their daughter. Not only was she beloved by fans, she was an objectively well-written character. AND her enemy being Jacen - who was her brother - added a unique, emotional layer that the Rey v. Kylo "enemies to lovers rehash # 9 million" could simply never possess.
Apparently, Star Wars fans hate female characters so much that a lot of us are cross they replaced a female character with a worse-written female character.
It’s weird but the Disney trilogy has made me appreciate the prequels more.
The prequels are awesome. Better than the OT even. Outstanding plot, actual struggles, extremely emotional moments, etc. It's beautiful.
@@Kingofthehill674 I 100% agree on that. The dialogue was pretty cheasy.
Unknown Error very cheesy yes but we have greats such as “hello there” and “do it”
@@joepetch308 yes haha
@@joepetch308 it's not "do it",
it's "dew it"
Star Wars Episode IX
Luke wakes up from a horrible dream...
The "Dallas" solution. Well played.
Yes, and Mara Jade reassures him that it was just a nightmare.
Yoda come back from grave to slap Kylo in the nuts is more save, story ended, there will be no 10 ended with 9, or just added some clips in the mandalorian, it is enough no need to waste money just to fuk up excellent artpiece.
Halo:infinite
Chief gets out of tube
*damn that was a bad dream*
Clp4tp Frg they’re saying they want to forget the sequels and have everyone at Disney laugh at the mess they made.
Rian Johnson did achieve something.
His film is more hated than The Phantom Menace.
I'd rather watch attack of the clones than TLJ
@@Barrett1 Ditto.
I rather watch 9/11 videos than the prequels or sequels.
Well he did make one movie that made three other movies look much better. I think that subverted my expectations.
wanna know who's the real menace?
Spider-man!
‘Han was frozen without a fight’ did they skip the scene at the dinner table where Han doesn’t hesitate to pull out a blaster on Vader? He just blocked it with the force and pulled the blaster out of his hand. Then they’re surrounded by troopers and boba. If you tried shooting the strongest man in the galaxy, then he just stopped the bullets with his hand and yanked your gun from hand, then you’re swarmed by troopers and the fiercest bounty hunter in the galaxy. What do you do at that point?
It's the exact opposite of "going out with a fight." He literally fought back and was captured.
@@MomoAfterDark that’s literally what I just said. I’m pointing out a stupid line in the video
@@christophervanoster I know I’m agreeing
@@MomoAfterDark oh. Sorry
Then Han was fucking TORTURED for who knows how long.
The lightsaber of Anakin Skywalker, the most powerful Jedi in all of history.
Wielded by Anakin throughout the entirety of the Clone Wars.
Lost when he turned to the dark side, and given to his son decades later.
Used in a fight against its previous owner 3 years after it was handed down, lost once again after falling down a seemingly endless tunnel
And then, 30 years later, 29 after its very first owner redeemed himself and passed on into the force afterlife, it’s handed back to that man’s son...
And he fucking chucks it across his shoulder.
That moment was Rian being so arch in chucking away everything JJ set-up. Now, if he had written something decent that both subverted expectations and delivered an amazing adventure, he might have got away with that conceit but he didn't...
Stop being a manbaby!! it's just a stupid laser sword..u should be more concerned with the female empowerment in this amazing film! ..if Rian Johnson wasn't white and wasn't a male, I'd marry him in a ceremony led by a lesbian priest and attended only by members of the LGBT community. You should all just go watch something else if you don't like it!!
That was the whole point. It was time to move on and not have Star Wars become a dead-end nostalgia fest. That story was done.
Andrew McDermott - Filmmaker
They could’ve had Luke shake his head solemnly and hand it back to Rey instead of chucking away like trash for cheap comedy.
@@gplgs4640 I do agree with that. Although I love Luke's arc and story in the film, the whole cliff-top sequence is problematic (even in TFA - It looks like he's taking a piss over the cliff-edge). I think the problem Johnson had was trying to make it a 'moment' instead of being anti-climatic. It had to look as if Luke resoundingly rejected it, instead of seeming to just not particularly care. The moment had to contain some feeling of 'shock' at his response, instead of disinterest, and simply handing it back may have been a slightly confusing response. Although the throw seems clumsy, his feelings are made very clear, so it does work on that level.
The fact that Mark Hamill tried to warn everyone made me like and respect him even more. You can tell he actually cares about the fans. After Force Awakens I only watched Last Jedi to see Mark Hamill's performance as Luke. He's a great actor too bad he wasn't allowed to actually play Luke.
I felt the most betrayed when they re-shot the first meeting between Rey and Luke probably more so than at any point ever during any entertainment. And I'm talking video games books movies etc.
The fact that Johnson had to re shoot the end of TFA to coincide with his 'vision' or wtv the fuck you call it for star wars in a conscious effort to subvert fans should have been an eye opener for Kathleen. You can't take those moments back from people. Cinema doesn't work like that TFA.
With that said hopefully JJ hss the balls to do to Johnson what Johnson did to him and reshoot the last scene from TLJ and maybe let Luke collapse on that rock instead. I can only imagine the thunderous applause that would get.
Its only fair.
Hammill actually cares about Star Wars as did the prequels actors you know Harrison Carrie Alec couldn’t give a fuck about it and neither does Kathleen Kennedy as her feminist nonsense what happens to movies actually writing lead characters for females blacks any race for actual reasons and then being great characters like tarrantino films. Thurman in kill bill Jackson in django pulp fiction, waltz in django bastards, Laurent in bastards, actress from Jackie brown, lol the actress who played go go yuburi who was quality and it I hate rose from last Jedi I’m a bigot racist ok yeh maybe start writing good characters and then you won’t be runing the industry with this diversity feminine nonsense. Thank god for tarrantino
Accordion2Kevin they did him dirty
I would have preferred Hammill refused to do the movies, that it was such a bad joke what they were doing to his character that they could either find someone else or write him out (and explain to fans his decision)... The reunion of the original three, which was a main selling point of these movies, was so putridly handled that it would be fair to describe it as false advertising and ripping off the fans... Hammill should have said shove it or rewrite it...
@footferry1589 Disney told him to shut up and say good things, not his choice to pretend to agree.
"If you don't like it then don't watch" - Director
"Okay" - Fans
*watches box office fail of Solo*
"It's just fatigue, don't worry about it." - Disney
Hmmm...
Solo was way better than VII and VIII
@@brooklynboiprod I half agree. I think 7 was a great movie, and Solo was an enjoyable ride too but not as good as 7 imo. Meanwhile 8 was the real dumpster fire, and I think Solo paid the price for that fire after people felt burned from 8. Solo deserved a better box office showing than 8, that's for sure.
@Nickolas Schneider Please grow up. You're entitled to your opinion but personal attacks aren't necessary.
Honestly, fatigue isn't the right word. The right word is more like "oversaturation".
@Kyle Ren what about rogue one?
I remember MH challenging both RJ and KK in regards to the story and his character, Luke Skywalker. I'm pretty sure that MH said on several occasions that they need to think about the fans and our expectations, to which RJ said...
'No, this is our movie'
I was and still remain pissed off by that. MH understands the fans and constantly thanks us for being loyal, so for RJ and KK to completly dismiss that piece of advice from MH is ridiculous and a huge slap in the face. Anyone who liked Luke Skywalker in TLJ needs to have a word with themselves.
Nah mate, after seeing him throwing tantrums over his caracter not being the op god he had wet dreams about, and then spreading the hate, I lost all respect I had for the guy.
if I got to make a Star wars movie I wouldn't waste a second thinking about the fans either. I would spend every free waking moment thinking about Star Wars though.
@@redrick8900 That's how TFA happened, a really good standalone film, and a TERRIBLE SEQUEL.
@@maxisdead2153 No. It's pretty terrible by any standard. The protagonist is completely undeveloped and exhibits skills that make no sense for her to have. None of the characters are fully flashed out. The only one that comes close is Ben and his development only works if you understand Vader's legacy.
@@maxisdead2153 TFA was awful, a crappy knockoff of A New Hope pretending to be a sequel. It was like a $200million Asylum mockbuster.
The force awakens trilogy doesn’t deserve to be canon.
We lost KOTOR for that shit.
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME Eh. Speak for yourself.
@Wade Wilson, "doesn't pander to identity politics"... Don't look now, but you just accidentally validated one of the statements made by Last Jedi defenders. OOPS!
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME The Clone Wars was made to expand on the prequels because before the Disney buyout, Lucasfilm made Star Wars products whenever they felt like it. George made the idea for the show and had a lot of influence on it in Season 1 and it did okay, but not good enough. So Dave Filoni helped George out with the show even more and the other Seasons did really well. After the Disney buyout, Disney cancelled The Clone Wars in favour of Rebels. This pissed a lot of people off in TCW community. And before you say that they're bringing it back, they're only bringing it back because of the failures that TLJ and Solo were (note: Solo was not a failure because I know people in the community who thought it was okay, however it was a financial failure in the eyes of Disney). It also didn't help that the people who are supposed to be "professional" went out and got all butt-hurt on twitter that people criticized their movie.
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME We've already had great novels, comics etc. Most of the things they come out with now are just terrible copies, not even "new" and that great "new" amount is nothing compared to KOTOR and other EU material.
"It's just a movie about space wizards intended for children". So they admit they don't like Star Wars. Star Wars is done.
kyle that person that said that actually really likes Star Wars. His point he was trying to make for that comment was that the people who were name calling on both sides were getting angry out of proportion over a movie about space wizards intended for children
@@DXCary10 Before people begin to take up arms to fight, it is definitely not going out of proprotion. Criticism is to be always expected, listened to and understood. This is simply a modern problem of entitlement, but it's not the old fans that are entitled, but the ones defending the new films without any actual arguments.
Ingratus critisms is expected and encouraged yes but the point that Patrick H (the guy with the poster that said space wizards) was making was that attacking other people rather than criticism on the actual film is ridiculous to do over a movie. Just because two people disagree on a movie doesn’t mean they have to go into an all out brawl. It’s not hard to have a civil discussion when disagreeing over something as small as a movie.
I’ve personally seen this from both sides of this fan base over TLJ. Idk y people get so mad over a movie to the point of trying to belittle and inflict pain on others
@@DXCary10 My point is, as a third-party someone shouldn't even meddle in the affair. If you're not part of the discussion, then you're not part of the discussion.
Nobody's actually getting hurt and the only reasonable thing a third-party can do is tell people, to handle it more respectfully.
The only thing the guy in the example did was belittle both groups in a disrespectful way making himself the biggest ass.
@@DXCary10 just because its for children doesnt free it from criticism though. I hate that stigma
„The plotholes in The Last Jedi are there for ventilation.“ is the best explanation I heard to this date
That's fuckin great. I love it!
That gave me a good laugh
Lmao just a dumb ass hater hating on something he doesn't even know the lore of and yet he still calls himself a fan. Nothing in TLJ breaks the lore and I bet you that, everything you have a problem with, I could easily give you an example of we seeing it before, or it being more logical than you think.
Wanna cry abour "ilogical bombers"? Did you seriously forget about the girl that literally broke her back thanks to the artificial gravity inside the ships?
Wanna cry about the Holdo maneuver? We've seen weaponized hyperspace before.
Wanna cry about Leia in space? We've seen people survive in space before too.
@@jonahdza They whole thing breaks the lore. What fits would be a shorter list. Nothing excuses those illogical bombers.
This comment I like.
They had a chance to have an iconic moment and story arc with Fin when he went from a troubled storm trooper to a the guy who rescued the rebellions top pilot to the man who sacrificed himself for the rebellion when he crashed his speeder into the battering ram cannon but no they decided to keep him as the goofy dude who just screams Rey
Finn had about 10 different ways he could’ve gone and they all would’ve been great given his potential as character and the uniqueness of his circumstances and they literally did nothing with him and baited us for 3 films AND did John Boyega MAD DIRTY because he’s a great actor and deserved better.
Rey!!!…..Rey!!!!!…….Rey!!!! That’s all of the lines that I can remember Boyega saying
"It's made for children."
Even ignoring all of the violence and politics in this franchise and accepting that these are kids' movies, how is that an excuse? Why should kids' movies be held to a different standard? Is this argument to imply that it's impossible to write a good kids' movie and so we shouldn't expect Hollywood to try even though it's been done before?
the cartoon had so much political stuff in it like how dare you say its only made for kids like they make anything just for kids
Oh look its "Dr." Sham.
Well, kids shows used to be better
Remember when you were growing up?
Take a look at the cartoons now, next time you get a chance to flip through some channels on a weekday
Dr Shaym just because Star Wars isn't for children. I loved it when i was a kid. But i saw the decapitation, mutilation, anger, politics, explosions and death scenes. First fifteen minutes of episode one? You got two people obliterated by turbo lasers. And last fifteen minutes were Darth Maul killing Qui Gon Jinn and being decapitated at the waist. And thats just one movie. "Its for children" is really a fall back. And these are not fans of Star Wars. Or have any really interest in contributing new ideas to the franchise. These people are real idiots
Disney :"Let the past die",
Makes a han solo prequel the next year
I mean they did kill it, not sure cuz they had to though.
They let things die, then they make the rotting corpse dance for money like a macabre marionette.
OMEGA OOF
You realize that Kylo is actually wrong in saying that right? You don't let the past die; you reflect on it, improve on it, and cherish the good moments without dwelling too much on it. Sure, you might argue that Yoda's burning of the Jedi Tree is a sign that he also believe this, but remember that the Ancient Jedi Texts were still intact (somehow) on the Falcon. I felt like Yoda was testing Luke, testing him and his beliefs, whether he actually wanted to burn the tree.
This aside, I highly doubt that Rey is a nobody. It should be clear that she was serarching for answers in a clearly dark side-infested sinkhole, as well as her conversations with Kylo. I feel like the dark side is attempting to influence her, and because the dark side has been known to be more powerful in combat than the light side (the light side has been taught to use their powers to defend, not attack) and has possessed more abilities (force lightning), this would explain why Rey is so powerful, but she doesn't have a clue what the Force really is. But that's just my theory.
@@isaiahlee2902 You should make videos, that was great!
Its funny that Rian Johnson calls people man babies... he is literally the text book definition of a “man-baby”!!!
Rian: **makes something extremely flawed**
Fans: **give valid criticism with sound arguments**
Rian: *"Mooom, the manbabies are saying mean things to me"*
16:36
yeah he is man. he looks like it and his ideas are really just so...high level, there is no depth what so ever, just like a child
@@liambagwell15 beat me to it lmaooo
It's just funny that he could go to insulting his audience rather than accepting criticism
I'll never forget the moment I realized that the entire movie was going to be a slow chase scene where the bad guys were waiting for the good guys to run out of gas.
Mark Hamill loves his character Luke Skywalker and always embraced the Star Wars fans.. looking at him horrified and disagreeing with everything they wrote for Luke makes me sad. His last role as Luke was spoiled by TLJ.
Don't be sad, he got a shitload of money as compensation.Some fans paid for this crap.
The only good thing is he will be in the next movie
Lol Mark Hamil did bash out Disney and did complain and share the news about how they horribly portrayed Luke months before the premiere date
@@miskatonic6210 At some point in life, money starts to be less of a motivator. I don't think Mark Hamill is in a situation where he is desperate for money and at that point, other things become much more valuable, like quality, time etc. I think Star Wars is a very important part of his life and seeing it getting ruined must be a heartbreaker for him.
@@KK-lf1gi wat
[Star Wars is for kids]
meanwhile the slaughter of the Jedi during Order 66 is on full display with masters getting shot.
Also the fact that they hinted at Anakin slaughtering younglings in that movie
Exactly, I agree.
These people need to know that I’m arguing why the last Jedi is bad. I don’t care whether it bothered them or not.
These people need to know that Toy Story is a kids movie but it’s one of the best movies of all time and a classic.
I remember having my face twisted in horror as they not only shot down their commanders, but the kept shooting after they were DEFINETELY dead
@@Itspaydaysboys Good sense though. You wanna make sure the Tangos are good and dead.
They've seen what tough bastards Jedi can be.
@@Itspaydaysboys you forget many of the Jedi were not like Anakin and did not really show much care for the clones, so there was not much love between the Jedi and the clones, although Plo Koon definitely did not deserve it.
"If you don't like it just leave!"
Oh believe me I have. I never saw Solo, or Keeping up with the Palpatines, and I never intend to see another Star Wars movie unless George Lucas wrote it. Period.
A similar quote was said by one of the people behind battlefield 5, and it lost them, EA, and DICE lot of money.
Solo was enjoyable to watch at least
@@Goopis More enjoyable than Last Jedi...yeah I've been told. But then again so is a shotgun wound so that's not some huge leap :P
Imagine if during the throne room fight, they kill all the guards, then someone steps forth. An unknown sith. Then, he kicks the shit out of crylo and rey. They barely escape, and in the next movie, the new sith is revealed to be either Nihilus or Vitiate, and instead of having a planet killing super weapon, they are the planet killing super weapon
@@insertedgynamehere And just like that you wrote a better script than Last Jedi, no doubt throwing it out in seconds.
As someone who has grown up with Star Wars being a central part of my childhood, it breaks my heart to see Disney rip it to shreds. What they did to Luke... Mark Hamill knew what he was to a whole generation, a hero. Someone who didn't back down, someone who became stronger with each trial and setback. And for all of it to be undone in favor of someone who I refuse to accept as both a Jedi and a Skywalker... it makes me depressed. But I hold faith that one day, when Star Wars returns to its former glory, we can all look back on this era as a nightmare to be forgotten.
Is Luke a damn Jesus or what?
Luke getting his ass handed to him by Vader was an important step in showing just how fearsome of an opponent Vader was and that Luke wasn't ready yet. This also meant that Luke could grow into the character we saw in Return of the Jedi... you know? Character growth?
But it would require the most basic understanding of writing to recognize that, which Rian certainly doesn't have. No wonder he writes Rey as a Mary Sue when he thinks that the audience would consider it a bad thing if the heroes of the story fail.
It is literally a part of the “Hero’s journeys” that the “hero” isn’t yet strong enough to overcome the biggest threats.
Exactly right! If Rey got her ass kicked and lost an arm or a leg I would’ve had sooooo much more respect for this movie even though the other plot points were still trash.
Exactly, Vader is a powerhouse with decades of experience, Luke had a crash course for a couple of months, he is absolutely not ready to face him and it is correctly shown in the movie. Meanwhile, Rey whoops Kylo's ass after holding a lightsaber for the first time in her life.
@@paveljuga7068 the word training doesn't exist.
@@paveljuga7068 nope. She was losing the entire fight until kylo overestimated his abilities. He was toying with finn and rey the whole time.
Gonk Droid is a better written character than Rey.
Sadly I agree
gonk droid desserve his own movie
@@CamiloRsSv GONK : A Star Wars Story
Absolutely right
@@KrissVEctor-yg4kj the best😂😂
Literally LAUGHED in a quiet theatre when Leia went floating through space. So much cringe
The worst part is that, if they didnt throw away the canon of the comics and books. Leia was supposed to be a very powerful and successful jedi but they never alluded to her training. Old canon would dictate not only could she pull herself back in from space but also use battle meditation to improve their odds and never would be in that situation to begin with
In my theater everyone walked out except me so I could bomb this movie even more
@@MariOmor1 really?
@@ajaxmaxbitch yes, yes and yes again
@@MariOmor1 that's hilarious
I saw the documentary "The Director & The Jedi" about the making of THE LAST JEDI, it clearly demonstrates that Rian was WAAAY over his head and had no idea what he was doing.
They spent an enormous amount of money and time to create scenes that had no meaning, purpose or reason for being in the movie. The millions they spent on making creatures that were never used, the props that were never used, the costumes for literally hundreds of actors and extras in the casino scenes that had no relevance, the locations that could have been done on a sound stage instead of exotic locations that didn't exactly amaze anybody, the fish cow that gave green milk was used only for one shot, and on and on and on.... Doomed from the start.
*Episode 7 releases:* Uh that's alright I guess...
*Episode 8 releases:* Uhh... o-k?
*Episode 9 releases:* _w h a t ?_
more like *internal screaming* for episode 8
Episode 7: okay can be interesting
Episode 8: okay this was bad but i cant get worse
Episode : *crying* star wars died and nobody can change it
Ep 7:oh yea I can see myself getting attached to rey
Ep 8:it can't get worse from here
Ep 8:is there a word that is basically the upgraded version of "bad"
It's evolving, but backwards!
@@fall_comic6985 worse, terrible, worst, evil (in terms of characteristics) , horrible, dissapointing
Defenders: Star Wars is for kids!
Meanwhile in the council room: Master Skywalker, there are too many of them, what are we going to do?
"Star Wars is for kids, idiot"
"The themes in TLJ are so deep and intricate."
I like that they can't pick one
It’s like TH-cam it’s for kids but it’s an app for 13 years and older...........
@@beastmastergaming8039 too soon dude
Mace casually chopping Fett's head off in Ep II
Mace be like: Peace Mother Fricker 😂😂
"Rian's contributions to Star Wars"
"Salt"
Well that summs up everything.
Funny thing is that that part is the coolest looking
Salt is in space, mostly bones
@Skeleton Masher Maybe if Rian made a good film there wouldn't be what we call salt
you talking about how he made all the fans salty to anyone who likes these movies?
And, by that being salt, it implies that the first order's "snow troopers" are in fact, "salt troopers"
Rian: “I don’t think I could write for a living.”
Yoda: “That is why you fail.”
It's so annoying knowing how Mark Hamill, someone who really cares about the story, the characters, the fans, the lore in everything he does, disagreed with so much going on in the film and was forced to portray his character against how he knew him.
When someone who had played the character for years, had continued to talk and learn about him for years to come showing true devotion to the role, disagrees with how YOU (Rian Johnson, someone who's done fuck all to do with Star Wars) want to portray him, just listen to the man. He knows more than you. Listen to the fans as well. They are the ones who make or break you and you didn't listen, now look where that got you.
It really makes you wonder what would happen if Mark Hamil was allowed to direct a film. You never know.
When it comes to luke skywalker Mark Hamill is the definitive expert on the subject. Not saying you don't give him a script and direct him. But if he says that XYZ is out of lukes character, then you take that on board, period.
If he says luke wouldn't do XYZ, you don't think... "maybe he's right," you think, "he is right, how do i fix it" The only higher authority on the character is George Lukas and you know even he'd be thinking the latter not the former.
Mark Hamill wanted to play Luke Skywalker's Evil twin. I don't know if that would've been a better idea.
It's not as simple as "just listen to the fans," as an example, look at the Call of Duty series. Whenever fans want something, they get it, but they usually hate it. Because the community is so divided that pleasing 50 percent of your audience makes the other 50 percent fucking hate it.
Even Finns actor is starting to realise the flaws of the movies
"if we judge movies quality based on the money they made, **then the emoji movie is a masterpiece**
and it is
Big Eye Cartoon Enthusiast Anything is better than that corporate cash grab but you can have your own opinion on it.
@@melonlord7443 yes boomer.
The last airbender movie made over $300 million and movies like Birdemic have huge profitmargins.
Marketing is the most important factor in the box-offise, not quality.
@@christroyer69 its a joke idk how hard that is ti grasp
Jar Jar is better character than Rose Tico
change my mind
100% correct
arielquelme there isn’t a chance with that and the Cantobyte (not sure on the spelling) was Cantoshite.
Yeah, at least Jar Jar served a purpose in the story.
Can't deny that. Jar Jar didn't create a random romance with Padme to save her life, while the Trade Federation practically wins in the background
I C- wait she is shit...
Your right my dude
That’s the worst part is that people blame everything except for Rian Johnson
Pretty sure Rian Johnson is blamed the most for TLJ.
Craziest thing I’ve heard about this shit show is “I rather have mediocre Star Wars movie than no new Star Wars movies”
Rayanne Florence unfortunately we got bad Star Wars movies
Yeah, people that say that Crap are Why producers are getting money in their pockets because "we" arent asking for a great movie. We just want to see the name and theme that somewhat resembles a star wars film.
Go see spaceballs if you are that desperate.
That's not the craziest thing i've heard. I saw i guy who said he hated TLJ (and TFA too) like we all do, but he will keep watching next SW movies from disnep no matter what. Guess some people would literally buy a piece of dog turd, if it was branded as official star wars wookie turd.
Probably the same people that while keep buying shittier and shittier iPhones for higher prices rather than not having an iPhone
Ill just say it here. TLJ was a HUGE travesty bec no chsracter as big as Luke Skywalker had been part of public consciousness as much and as long and they totally dropped the ball on developing continuity and story that would maybe never be surpassed!!! I would of thought that value would be paramount! If I was the worlds only trillionaire I would have outbid Disney to do The Last Jedi justice! That ship has sailed and will never come around again. When movies are totally CGI without actors they will have an underground pirate radio version of The Last Jedi and If I live long enough to see it, it will be the ndxt movie I see for I have not gone to cinema ir rented/ bought dvd since my single viewung of TLJ and do not plan to. This is the one that ruined all movies for me for no one could top the drop and failure/ disappointment of TLJ enough to compell me to ever give movies a chance again
The audacity of Rian to even imply that Empire would have been criticized as a bad film today. And in front of Mark Hamill himself.
Jerome Ley you can tell it in Mark’s face like “The fuck chuck”
Empire no but one can make an arguement for Return of the Jedi.
1:The plan for Hans rescue made no sense.
2: The teddies were nothing more then a cash grab. Not to mention it made the storm troopers looked even more comically inempt.
3. Luke throwing away his light sabre and exclaiming "I'm a Jedi like my father before me" was incredibly retarded. But you know he risked the whole war on the fact that he sensed the good in him.
4: And of course yet another sink the bismark plot (blow up the deathstar).
random loser At least it can stand it’s feet with amazing characters, instead of trying to copy and paste. At least their plans made more more sense than anyone in the last Jedi could come up with. At least Luke wasn’t a Mary Sue. At least the Empire strikes back didn’t try to subvert every expectation and fail at that.
@@nykerianash1590 What exactly was Hans rescue plan in return? I'm going walk through the chain of events. Tell me how much sense it makes.
Step 1: Have Lando infiltrate and gather intelligence to report back.
Step 2: Send droids with my terms and smuggled light sabre.
Step 3: Princess Leia gives them yet another prisoner to infiltrate and fail her rescue attempt. Thus giving them 3 more prisoners in play.
Step 4: Luke goes in unarmed and gives Jabba his terms face to face partly hoping to mind trick him. He very nearly dies and lucks out on them not straight up shooting him after the Reigncore dies.
Step 5: All are in prisoned and Luke saves the day, lucking out on the fact that none of the extra bodies were harmed.
From any military stand point what lick of sense did any of that make?
Now I'm not going to defend the new movies because they suck. However I'm sick of people turning a blind eye to how much Return of The Jedi sucked and acting like the whole original series was a magnum opus.
New Hope was good.
Empire was good.
Return sucked. Everyone gave it a pass because the first two were that good and it tied up loose ends.
The origina trilogy were not perfect, the prequels have issues but the sequels are... Sigh
I loved the, Leia slapping Ryan and then saying, "Your demoted."
"Han Solo goes down without a fight"....... yup, he's never seen the originals...
@@TetoKasane4 ???
@Gaius Wyrden i bet some dumbass wont understand what you said
Gaius Wyrden Han shot at Vader in empire and Vader still had no intentions of killing him
He also talks about Vader easily beating Luke in Empire Strikes Back. How is that bad? Does he think the good guys are meant to always win? Oh wait... I forgot... Rey beats Kylo Ren the first time she ever wields a light saber. So yes, he clearly does.
He kinda forgot the scene where Han immediately tried to blast Vader and had his blaster yoinked from his hands, also going down without a fight is not the same as accepting the fact that taking action in that instance would have caused more harm then good (I'm talking about the scene where he gets frozen in carbonite).
How does a star destroyer catch up with a blockade runner in the first scene of the first movie...BUT A DAMN CRUISER CANT CATCH ANOTHER DAMN CRUISER
The power of imagination
That would require someone to think about the plot , they don't. KK and Rian nobody couldn't write a joke in a bathroom stall.
Because George’s Empire was smart enough to consult Kuat Drive Yards before constructing their Star Destroyers
C3PO "Did you hear that? They've shut down the main reactor."
The blockade runner stopped moving because they damaged it’s reactor.
No no, I have rarely seen anyone “defend” TLJ, I usually only see excuses, attacks on fans and comparisons to other movies.
When you DEFEND a movie you explain why it’s good, they never do that, because they can’t.
I don't care who disagrees with me, the Sequels are overall much better than the Prequels, in my opinion. Even as Trilogies, the Sequel Trilogy is overall better than the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion. I've sat and watched the Prequels and getting through The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones is absolute hell. Even Revenge Of The Sith (it's supposed to be the "good" Prequel) is boring and cringy at times but just not nearly as much as The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones are. I love the Sequels/Sequel Trilogy. I also enjoy Rogue One and Solo as well. The Original Trilogy is still the best Star Wars Trilogy even though I find Return Of The Jedi to be overrated as well.
@@eisteepfirsich3358 Well you have bad taste then. The prequels have world building, give us some background and context, a storyarc, coherent individual stories, some original new ideas (aliens, worlds, technology) cool lightsaber duels, interesting characters, emotions... The sequels have none of that. They are just incoherent, messy, unoriginal ripoffs of the OT with some boring, pointless new characters.
The two first prequels are watchable, and ROTS is the third best SW movie in my book. The Disney “Star Wars”... Only Rogue One is good, TFA is watchable because it is New Hope 2.0, the rest is trash, none are more trashy than TLJ.
@@Imlaor25 Have u even seen the whole trilogy? Every main characters backstory is detailed and makes sense. In the prequels, almost every character has no backstory or a backstory that can only be found in books. There's not a single information about Anakin's father in the whole trilogy, except of course, "He has no father".
@@eisteepfirsich3358 What are you talking about? Only Kylo have some sort of story. Rey- they obviously just make some new shit up in each movie, they didn’t really know what to do with her, except making her the strong savior of the Galaxy. The rest of them- absolutely not. And they are all pretty boring characters.
I have recently heard Anakin was created by Palpatine. But the explanation we get in Phantom Menace is ok with me. He was created by the force, he is the chosen one, like Jesus. And we get his whole story from when he’s 9 years old and onwards, remember?
But this was not what I was adressing in my first post here. Why do you think TLJ is good, let me hear?
@Imlaor25 I know you asked I_love_Carrots but since he didn’t answer I’ll try to explain a few things that makes TLJ good (sorry if my English is bad).
First of all the cinematography in TLJ is probably the best of any SW movie so far and even if you say that things like the hyperspace ram doesn’t make sense it still looks cool and it does not ruin the movie. Second the thing about Rey being a marry sue doesn’t make sense either, if I’ve understood the term marry sue correctly its a character who lacks flaws or weaknesses, I personally like the fact that the force can grow strong within anyone even if that makes them very powerful and in this case it doesn’t make her unrealistically powerful. If it would be that case then she should have been able to kill snoke by herself, which she couldn’t. Also just the fact that she and her parents were nobody’s automatically gives her a flaw. If she was a marry sue then why would she need to get training from Luke and when she gets training she can’t use the force on command which is a flaw. She and her friends fails to save the resistance which serves the movie’s theme of failure, it’s only when Luke shows up that nobody else dies, does that mean he’s a marry sue? NO of course not! Because it serves the plot in a natural way, his return as a force hologram is built up after he realized his flaws and mistakes and took care of it. But back to Rey again, I can understand that people gets frustrated over the fact that Rey becomes a skilled Jedi without the movie showing us the training she did, the reason they didn’t show that training was because it wasn’t needed, we had already seen that she was good at fighting with a staff which is similar to a lightsaber, we also se her doing some training which isn’t really the sort of training you’d expect but it’s still training (she could also have trained of screen but that’s not really a good answer).
It almost feels like I have to explain why the movie isn’t as bad as everyone say it is before I can even explain why it’s pretty good in my opinion. You shouldn’t have to explain why a movie isn’t bad before you give it a compliment.
Anyways I do acknowledge that the movie has flaws like the cantobike scene or the humor but that doesn’t ruin the movie.
It’s getting pretty late where I live so I’ll end my argument here but I’ll try to give more examples If you response and want to discuss anything about TLJ.
Again sorry if I misspelled anything or made my arguments messy, English is my second language.
I’d be happy to hear your opinion.
May the force be with you always :)
I took my 74 year old mother to watch Empire during the reopening of the theaters. Her idea and it was amazing watching it on the silver screen again. We spent the rest of the day talking about it. Timeless.
As long as Kathleen Kennedy has anything to do with Star Wars ? Its dead to me .
Underrated comments for 500 please
She's a maaaaahn baby!
peter monaghan you sound like a 12 year old no offense
Mysterio Adult people can grammar. nO oFfEnSe
DOGE aDulT pEoPlE cAn gRamMaR. No offense
There's no "Star Wars Fatigue" or "DC Fatigue", there's only "Garbage Film Fatigue".
PREACH!
Truth
The sucess of Marvel proves your point.
Moshugaani well said
could not have said it better. thanks Moshugaani!
Luke in A New Hope:
Strange old man - Hey kid, wanna go to an aventure?
Luke - HELL YEAH.
Luke in The Las Jedi:
Strange girl - Han is dead, your sister is in danger, the empire is back, there is this evil sith lord... dude... we need your help!
Luke - .... "drinks green milk".... whatever.
Yeah... Your best friend is dead, the rest of your family is going to die. You just gonna...do nothing? How the fuck is this Luke??
@@Armann_ worse off, it is his very dearest apprentice doing those killing, with very skill he taught him himself, and he ain't gonna do anything to stop him and redeem himself. What on Earth did they turn Luke into?
@@kaleidoscope3234 thats not luke skywalker, he is an imposter. The skywalker family doesnt have that kind of sh*ty guy.
@@bondankai13 lets hope that JJ sees it the same. I really dont care how bad it will taste, just bring luke back
"So Rey asks Grumpy to save the dwarves, but Grumpy says 'nah'."
There is one good thing about the sequel trilogy. Because of it’s existence, the prequel trilogy is no longer considered the worst Star Wars films.
6:45 The look on Mark Hamill's face, just staring at Rian, dumbfounded and bored.
If Rian had accepted the criticism, I think we would all have been a lot more forgiving of him. But because he doubled down and started making up lies about Empire, and denying every valid criticism of his work, it's hard to treat him with respect.
Miharo Totoro The problem is he took the Last Jedi and made it his own movie rather than a Star Wars movie.
@@jamesedleymusic the problem is rian obviously doesnt like star wars but he couldnt turn down the giant paycheck. His hatred for luke skywalker is just strange...
Friend: "Dude, why are you reading that? Those books aren't canon anymore."
Me: "From my point if view, Disney's trilogy isn't canon... but seriously, I don't really care because the SWEU is objectively better."
@Yeezy Busts Nah, he said something about wasting my money, you know, because used paperbacks bought on a whim are gonna bankrupt me.
@Yeezy Busts he didn't get the reference
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Friend: don't try it I have the High Ground!
Absolutely!! I don't GIVE A F*"K what Disney declares as Canon or not. To me and millions of other fans Disney's bulshit they put out is not Canon at all because it isn't Star Wars and they don't even understand HOW the STARWARS Universe works and just put together a mishmash of bullshit where nothing makes any sense with anything else that's come before or after it.
Several of the EU books were considered equal or better than even then the originals and if Disney had just gone with the Zahn trilogy for example we would have had a phenomenal ending to The Incredible saga that is Star Wars.
As far as I and many other people are concerned Star Wars ended in 2014 when Lucas sold it and whether or not the EU was ever Canon it's Cannon to me as far as I'm concerned and that's the way it will stay!
Lucas DID SAY that they had hundreds of books, cartoons, comics and videos games to Kathleen Kennedy and Disney when he sold it which certainly seemed to indicate he considered the EU part of Star Wars and that's good enough for me!
Friend: Panzer, the books you're reading aren't Canon.
Me: From my point of view the Sequels aren't canon.
Friend: Well then maybe you're right.
Spaceballs is objectively better than the sequels.
Spaceballs is objectively better than a lot of things though haha
This man speaks truth
Mastermind41 Pluto Nash 3D is better than the sequels
Agreed
Correct. Absolutely correct
That scene of Princess Leia floating through space can be used as a form of torture.
The direction Star Wars is going hurts me. Genuinely.
As a little kid, I used to get into fights with my brother over who got to be Luke when we played around in the yard with our toy lightsabers. I couldn't wait for it to snow because it meant that I could pretend I was on Hoth. I had every Star Wars Lego set. I worshipped those Movies, even the prequels. I watched Episode II probably 100 times. And to see a company just shit on their fans, too see the man who brought my childhood hero to life so dissapointed in the current franchise... it just hurts man.
Me too. I completely understand. I'm so disheartened by everything Disney has done so far... it makes me angry and sad all at the same time.
If you don't like it stop watching manbaby. Fucking sexist virgin. Bet youre a fat nerd huh? Its just a movie in the end it means nothing.
I was the same. I had maybe ten lightsabers in my basement and me and my brother would play with them. We also had toy blasters that we would also play with. A New Hope was my favorite movie of all time as a kid, followed closely behind by Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (I thought the prequels were good as well, but I was like six at the time). And now Star Wars has been handed over to people that have converted to the EA religion of just trying to put a shitty product out there, just to make money and nothing more, even at the expense of angering fans of the franchise.
@@dumbass1775 A movie with people actually cares for a franchise, unlike you, who sees it so narrowly
@@dumbass1775 I guess I'm the only one who knows you're sarcastic
Star Wars fans logged onto SWTOR to digitally travel to Alderaan and held a month long memorial for Carrie Fisher after her death.
But we hate women.
Star Wars fans were upset when Disney cancelled the Sword of the Jedi book, staring Jaina Solo.
But we hate women.
Star Wars fans were super hyped for Ahsoka Tano's return in Rebels.
But we hate women.
We loved Natalie Portman.
But we hate women.
We had characters like Darth Trea, Assaj Ventress, Mara Jade, Lumiya, Darth Talon, Luminara, Shak-Ti, Ayla Secura, Yaddle, Mon Mothma, and a long list of others.
Yet Star Wars fans are misogynists and hate women.
Anyone who really thinks that about Star Wars fans is not a fan of Star Wars and knows nothing of its fan base.
You spelled Darth Traya wrong so clearly you hate wymans
The "Mary Sue" crap is indefensible. Anakin was a Mary Sue. Luke was the biggest Mary Sue in the history of cinema. Calling Rey a Mary Sue erases your entire list, and that's why people are pissed. I cannot believe people had the nerve to scoff at her being so powerful with the Force. THE GODDAMNED MIDICHLORIANS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR GENERATIONS. IT'S PART OF THE STORY. IN FACT, IT IS LITERALLY THE ENTIRE STORY.
Yeah rey is a complete mary sue I'd take Kreia any day over any of the shitty characters from the sequels
@@boredom2go Yes the force is strong in the Skywalkers but even they, even the "chosen one", needed lengthy training to actually amount to something when fighting a trained Jedi/Sith, Rey just does it.
Considering the amount of people whining about it being "political pandering", I'm starting to see why people think a large reason the movies are so hated is because people just hate women.
"These films are for children"
Says this while making films where storm troopers commit genocide, son kills his father, a bad guy is cut in half, etc... You say one thing, yet do another... Hmmm...
Especially considering the hyperdrive crash could have a death count of more than 100,000.
Don't forget the slaughtering of children themselves, er, I mean younglings.
ShinGoji
They don't count that one, because it's just made for wow! factor. However, they aren't shy to include gruesome deaths, political messages and discussions about sex and such (Solo).
Don’t forget about gassing planets and killing the population because they know too much (Geonosians). Totally for kids Rian 😑
The thing is that the tlj makes sure that its not scary. This movie could have been a lot darker instead of hiding it.
"If you don't like it, don't watch it." You know, that's actually a fair point; and it's why I haven't watched a single Disney Star Wars property (either film or television) since The Last Jedi was released. Nothing is sadder than someone who professes to hate what Disney has turned Star Wars into but still consumes every bit of Disney Star Wars media that gets released.
Disney doesn't care what you think as long as you're watching. The opposite of love isn't hate. It's apathy. Disney has made me very apathetic towards Star Wars.
Not a fair point.
Pirate life for me
Rogue One was great tho,but that's it
@@bluboyd3637 Rogue One was before the last Jedi so mute point, and no. Rogue One was mid with like 2 cool scenes. People only think it’s great cuz it’s not the sequels, but that’s the Star Wars fandom for ya. Lowering the bar year by year.
writer of film says " I dont think I could write for a living"
“Hyperspace is too expensive as a weapon”
...Didn’t they win a freakin’ hyperdrive from a winged aardvark thing on a sandtrap of a planet for winning one race in Phantom Menace... hyperdrives don’t seem that valuable.
I think a X-Wing us only 150k Credits lol
Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here; I need something more real...
@@timraskopf2185 And it has a hyperdrive, weapons, shields, navigation computers, targeting systems, life support, and everything else
Counterpoint: the empire and later the first order could’ve put heavy restrictions on space travel that the rebellion and republic could’ve had a difficult time dealing with.
Counter-counterpoint: the first order was only in control of half of the galaxy, encouraging smuggling and the progress of technology would’ve made ships far less expensive as a whole. (This assumes the “rebellion” was fairly laissez faire, which given the producers of the new films seems iffy at best. At the least however, technology would have progressed far beyond what was seen in the other movies)
Counter-counter-counterpoint: given the destruction in the wake of the “hyperspace bomb” that presumably would’ve spanned for millions if not billions of miles, this might be a “war crime,” disincentivizing it by risk of court-martialing. This could by why the plan was never explained by the (forgot her name and rank); to protect everyone else from legal liability.
Counter-counter-counter-counterpoint: the first order destroyed an entire solar system in a *show of power,* they obviously don’t care about intergalactic treaties.
Yeah I think I’m done here.
ObviouslyKaleb All I can respond to that is bravo.
My heart goes out to the original cast that reprised roles for these new films. The horror of having to witness a beloved franchise that you helped create and bring to life being turned into this deformed and grotesque figure that bares no resemblance to what came before it must have been unbearable as witnessed by the look on Mark Hamill's face...
A very fine criticism of ROS. But what to do you have to say about TLJ?
I've been watching alot of SW reviews of the latest movies cause I refused to watch them, and I might cry from the sheer debauchery of it all.
They didnt watch the originals to know why it worked. Kathleen Kennedy didnt know about (or lied) the books. Mind blowingly incompetent. Actually speechless.
Your a million dollar company head in charge of one of the largest franchises in history and you didnt know they made books? No one told you? Is this a jedi mind trick?
audiogarden21 yes Disney care about money. If they could kill people that criticized them without anyone knowing it was them they would. They just care about money. This is beyond heartbreaking
It's even more apparent when you learn that the reason Han got killed was because Harrison Ford literally asked them to do it because he was so done with the franchise.
@@lt-yx1hx LOL Harrison wanted Han dead in the OT. That's a fact.
I remember walking out of the theater and thinking to myself “was that it” it felt like nothing happened or nothing good, and I thought it felt like an hour for how little actually happened
Exactly,that was my whole reaction after watching the movie too.
It didn't make me go "Woa,that was such a fun and cool movie",it only made me go "So,that was it I guess".
The worst part is,I first watched it with my cousins family and they gave me the choice to either watch this trash or the cinematic masterpiece that was,Into the Spider-Verse...
I made the wrong choice
"George did it because he was crazy"
Yeah that sounds pretty George.
I'm pretty sure he's saying "creating" or "creative", which also fits with the next line: "Rian is no creator."
@@SelvesteSand Nah, I'm pretty sure he said "crazy"
EP7 was the most anticipated STAR WARS.
EP8 is the most disappointing STAR WARS.
EP9 will be the most not-anticipated STAR WARS.
HISTORY IS MADE
i thought the most "not-anticipated" was Solo... i mean, after Ep 8 i walked out the theater thinking how NOT excited i am about the continuation of the overall story... but still i only went to Solo because i got a free ticket from a friend lol
sonnic1995 solo was a really boring movie to tbh
Some ppl are looking forward to EP9 cuz it's the one who has the possibility to make sense of all of the mess.
If you ask me movie 7 and forward are the true non canon versions. I'd rather kick back and read the Star Wars novel Heir to the Empire etc.
Pretty much. Can't wait to see how the heroes who've managed to humiliate and beat the villains for 2 movies easily will struggle to do so for a third time.
I feel so bad for Mark Hamill, he tried to warn Rian but Rian refused to listen and now we got that shit fest of a movie
82 Pythons holy Jesus do you hear yourself?
DVD Skywalker
Actually it's incredibly easy to explain. The movie sucked, people are pissed.
You must make your teachers so happy to have educated you.
I personally feel more bad for Rian Johnson.
At least Mark Hamill is beloved by fans and is given his own Hollywood star.
@@littleprussian7985 nah, rian johnson IS an idiot, who doesn't respect the lore and the history, he deserves the hate, and even, he calls us "Manbabies" so...
He doesn't even respect his audience.
@@Frank_144 Ever thought about that he isn't actually talking about ALL Star Wars fans?
Just the ones who go too far?
He actually gained death threats!
Also, how do you know that he is an idiot?
And lastly, Rian Johnson probably saw how much people critized the last two films for being too pandering and it would have been predictable if it was exactly like that How it should have ended episode.
Are we seriously gonna commit the same mistake people did with George Lucas?
Ryan really said "we don't like that someone who has decades of experience over a newbie and who is much more powerful than them was able to kick the newbie's ass, we think that everyone should be equally powerful regardless of how much experience, knowledge or strength they have because I got a participation trophy when I was little."
Me: Palpatine was the most evil character.
My Friend: No, Rian Johnson is.
For me, it was Kathleen Kennedy all along
I can't tell you how many articles I saw coming out after TLJ where it was titled: "Rian Johnson explains..." And I thought it as, and have told my friends, the following:
"If he made *such* a good movie, why does he need to keep explaining all these scenes? If they were good, wouldn't they just sit on their own merits instead of having to be re-told by the director in an interview?"
to be fair, would they dedicate time to explaining the artificial gravity in the ship when the bombs were released in TLJ
"all these scenes"? Not sure if there is a large number. Good movies certain people needing explaining to does not make for a bad movie.
@@CyberScifi I recall seeing at least 8-12 separate articles breaking down multiple scenes in the wake of Last Jedi's release.
You know, at this point, I wish they'd just scrap the new films declare them non-canon, and start over. Maybe after looking at some of the better expanded universe stuff.
Let's just purge all new cannon can go back to EU and stop making movies! I fucking HATE everything Disney has put out star wars wise.
Get George to make them LOL!
The truly sad thing is, this was legitimately our last chance to get the band back together.
Mark Hamill would probably sign on to another GOOD trilogy if he had it in writing that if they fucked with him again he could walk away. But Harrison Ford is never gonna do more Star Wars (getting him on for TFA was probably like pulling teeth), and both Carrie Fisher and Peter Mayhew are no longer with us.
THAT is the true tragedy. And while I'm onboard for scraping this junk, without the core group it's gonna be shit.
Make movies on the battles of Geonosis!
@@StarWarsomania Kathleen betrayed George and his franchise child
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Han Solo ever giving the Falcon to Rey. Rather Rey taking it and everyone being fine with that since she's a great pilot. Still though, I think we could all agree no one deserved that ship as much as Chewbacca.
Jar Jar fucking Binks had better character development than anyone in The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker
Jar jar binks himself is better than the entire sequel trilogy
Sad but true
Kylo actually had some good character development, until he died for no reason.
Hell, most of the side characters in Star Wars had mor character development than the prequels,boba, Ashoka, jar jar, jyn erso appears in one movie and she’s alright, saw gerrera had development
Jar Jar could have been pretty more developed, but no... They just let him as the secret most powerful Sith Lord during all the saga.
"Jar Jar is the key to all of this"
- George Lucas, 1999
Did he believe in that? Did he just meme around? Did he make the Sith Binks Theory?
But that's actually true. Jar Jar brought Qui Gon and Obi Wan to the Gungangs and if he wouldn't have then the battle on Naboo would've looked much different. Without Jar Jar and the Gungangs the Separatists probably would've invaded the capital city and later on they would've done a planet-wide invasion with millions of droids. Without Jar Jar, the Gungans and Naboo would still have beef and there would be no support for the Republic in that one Clone Wars episode where they tried to help the Mon Calamari in their little civil war with those other fish and the CSI. The story with that Gungan queen Julia who was in trouble with the Nightsisters I guess also would've been much different. If Jar Jar wasn't there who knows how everything would've go down. Maybe Mace Windu never would've fought the Mother of the Nightsisters then. Jar Jar was the one who even helped Palpatine become more powerful in his position as chancellor. Also his clumsiness was most of the time very helpful in battle and he saved Padme when she got kidnapped.
@Lukas McFadden I read that too fast myself and read GANGbangs Heh
jar jar is the one who initiates the vote to give Palpatine emergency powers, so yeah 100% true.
It's going to be great.
Mark Hamil's influence should be like 90% of the film. He shouldn't be treated like a second-rate actor that nobody likes, Because we all love him!
that ain't how hollywood works, bucko. mark isn't a good ol boy like rian
@@aidand.7911 you mean he cares more about not being fuckig sued by disney? you aren't winning that shit, no matter how much you love anything
I mean, he has to fade away from the story some time. Can't have mark being the young Luke you know forever
@@sorcererCermet good point
@@sackthebastard nobody is disagreeing on that??? boy u smart
rogue one, a movie that was literally a prequel to explain a 5 minute scene of the original movies made 3 times the money that Solo, a back story of one of the most iconic star wars characters, made. This should show you how much fans hated the sequel trilogy especially the last Jedi.
Rogue one was a genuine good movie imo, but solo was just...lackluster. also, at that time I hadn't seen the clone wars show, so as far as I knew or cared, Maul was dead. Solo could have been great, but it was marred by the same issues as the sequel trilogy
@@Miss_Trillium Solo is a much better movie. Rogue one drags and is riddled with plot holes.
@@redrick8900 and solo is 90% filler lmao
@@jemr3 That's funny. Even if it was true Rogue one is all filler.
@@redrick8900 At least Rouge One was enjoyable filler.
Yeah, the sequel trilogy isn't canon.
Wouldn't even call it legends, its far beyond that.
Taschip There’s a sequel trilogy? I thought Star Wars ended with episode 6
Black Creeper Explosion Studios it did. Disney is just fan fiction.
Persianpapi nah fanon is good
Duo Lightning Production Studios no fan fiction of star wars is called fanon and some of its good
I love Hammel's face when Rian Johnson said empire would have been roasted.
honestly, it's just depressing,
@@wlot28 Sadly, yeah. You can tell what they did to luke's character really crushed him.
Johnson is in denial and refuses to believe that he made a bad Star Wars movie.
It was.
Rian johnson says that a movie mark starred in was bad, then proceeds to say that the movie even he hates himself in is incredible. yeeeeeea
A love it when a white guy tells me, a mixed-race guy, that I hate TLJ because I'm a white supremacist.
Love it when a dude tells me, a girl, that I hated his movie because there are women in it. I swear the guy acts like he's the first person to make a movie with women in it. like it's not a big deal and you're not breaking any new grounds lmao
Naw just another person who claims to be a star wars "fan" who hates it more then apprentices any of it lol
The guy apparently thinks all Star Wars fans are white.
Even worse-- that I just don't like it because I'm an SJW. I am an SJW. Part of the reason I don't like it is because it's a right wing authoritarian's version of what an SJW and does not actually do any of the issues justice.
Now that is a mic drop comment !!!
”They would have hated seeing luke grt whiped by vader”
Luke who has just begun his training vs vader… that’s the logic that made Rey beat kylo without any training I guess
Even eight year old can see that such logic is bs. Rian can't.