Stupidest Things Said Defending Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Are the Last Jedi defenders crazy? Let’s take a look at what some of the Star Wars fans have to say. How stupid can the defence of Last Jedi get? Can Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson be defended? Has Star Wars finally lost its magic?
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George Lucas was not crazy he whont only 💰 that it even though he could of just pass star wars down to his kids in the future he chose not to.
Disney is like Darth Vader if he killed Luke Skywalker and went full Anakin Skywalker from Epsode 3 mixed with Anakin from Epsode 2 and has the voice of young Anakin.
This really echoed so many of my thoughts! Great content as always. Really solid editing. Also, thank you for putting the dismemberment and burning scenes together. I was arguing this point just this week.
There's a lot of dumb shit in this video, you've had 9 months to make a video like this. I expect better.
To Stratowind = Yes, training in the Force is more metaphysical than physical. Robot Head was just highlighting how Rey zero-to-hero progress goes against the decades of lore that was established by the franchise. Maybe it is true that "darkness rises and light to meet it," but it was like Rey won a the space magic Powerball lottery without even purchasing a ticket.
That blind guy in Rouge One needed years of training. Yoda studied and instructed the Force for centuries, and he still needed extra training by Qui-Gon Jinn. There's around three years between Episodes 5 and 6, in which Luke spent time privately training, so he could help save Han Solo and go toe-to-toe with Darth Vader. Typing of Vader, Anakin Skywalker, the immaculately conceived, off-the-scale midi-cholorean percentage, Chosen One of the Force, needed years of training in order to become a person that even Emperor Palpatine feared.
Therefore, it becomes an incredible hard pill to swallow that Rey was able to do all that she could within the span of at best 96 hours? Yoda was a Master Jedi for hundreds of years, but he needed his full concentration to life Luke's X-wing out of the swamp. Rey lifted dozens of boulders on her first try, and she din't even have a frown on her face.
And even if Rey basically "downloaded" Ben Solo's training during the mind probing, that still means that Ben Solo had years of training by Luke Skywaker (and presumably Snoke) to become badass enough to conduct a casual conversation while suspending blaster fire in mid-air.
As I've often said about Episode 7...
The Force doesn't just awaken in Rey. It got up, showered, shaved, put on its clothes, at breakfast, drove out of the garage, and is on its way to the office. LOL
2:52 I don't remember Han giving Rey the Falcon, I remember Han DYING and no one stopping her from taking it
Including the person it objectively SHOULD have gone to, Chewbacca.
Apparently she gets Luke's X-wing, lightsaber, Tatoonie ranch, and last name too. Because patriarchy bad.
@@Raptor302 How do we make this character likable?
Giving her a compelling story, believable quirks and shortcomings? Making her grow as a character?
NAH, Just hand her everything cool for no reason! Fans will LOVE that!
Rey stole Luke's last name, Han's ship
@@StarWarsomania it should've went to Chewbacca and Leia then it would be Leia's choice to give it to someone else
They argue that "It's for kids" and "it's too complex for you to understand" at the same time!
Yeah that's a really good point
That's their cognitive dissonance at full strength.
And if it's indeed for kids, why are they pushing their sexual deviancy into it? Really makes one think...
It's so simple, that only a child can do it
To be fair, a supporter of something might support it for different reasons than another supporter. Or better put, that multiple arguments for something which contradict eachother, because it is not a single individual that holds conflicting thoughts but multiple individuals with different views than eachother which lead to a similar conclusion.
Luke gets handed his lightsaber in TLJ. The same lightsaber that once belonged to his "dead" father. The same father that cut his hand off in a sick father vs son duel. The same father that he watched die after finally turning against the Emperor in RoTJ and finally gets closure after enduring unimaginable pain. He then just tosses the weapon aside as if it held no meaning to him...are you fucking kidding me?
Thraith He should’ve set it on a rock and walked away.
Almighty Supreme Leader Weegee that woulda made so much more sense
The idiots writers were looking for surface shock value of people watching, not for any meaningful reasons.The whole movie was based upon WTF moments, just to see the puzzlement on peoples' faces, which the evaluators recorded as positive enthusiasm.
So SO agree!!
Rian was just subverting our expectations. I walked into this movie expecting a competently written and directed film that would be at least somewhat entertaining. Boy, were my expectations subverted!
I've heard "but rey is palpatine's grand daughter" but luke's grandfather is the force and his dad is the most powerful jedi of all time and he still trained alot and failed at times
Anakin himself failed in the prequels.
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 yep, that just makes rey even more ridiculous, (btw you shouldn't reply to comments 7 months later)
@@didgeridooo you shouldn’t reply to comments 7 months later? I wouldn’t bother unless I had something I really felt like saying but who gives a fuck it doesn’t affect you? 😂
@@didgeridooo How about 8 months?
@@didgeridooowhat about 9 months bozo? Who are you to tell people when to reply? The comment commodore?
"You don't like strong women."
It's not the characters, it's how they're written. Look at Ahsoka. In the Clone Wars movie, she was just a cliche cartoon character. A lot of fans hated her. Then, over the course of the series, she became a legitimately strong character with her own moral compass and even developed her own views on the Jedi Order in general. Hell, she became one of the most important factors in Anakin's fall. Then came Rebels, where she became one of the most important people in building the Rebel Alliance. She went from being seen as a completely pointless (and kind of annoying) character to being a fan favorite because of good writing and storytelling.
EXACTLY! Add Cara Dune, Bo-Katan, Leia Bastila Shan and Mara Jade from Star Wars legends. All those I have listed are amazing female characters that are badass.
@@holdencross5904 Bo-Katan is part of the canon though and she’s getting her own show
Wesusa that great cause i love bo katan
@@Melonator13 Yeah Bo-Katan is pretty great. Hope her show does her justice.
i always l8ved ashoka. and asajj ventress
>Made for children.
> Writes scene literally murdering children.
Yes? Exactly!! Now the children are INVESTED in the movie!! :-P ;*D
Dorian Ertymexx Youngling: Master Skywalker, there’s too many of them. What are we gonna do.
Anakin: *ignites lightsaber*
Because that’s the thing with Lucas, he wanted to make intelligent movies for children, not mindless dribble that many corporations spew out.
Ep3 and all of the Disney Stars Wars are PG13 in the US, which means the Motion Pictures Association of American recommends to those watching this film: Parents strongly cautioned - Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Doesn't sound like it's "made for kids"
I watched that when I was 6 and laughed my head off. I think I’m a psychopath
It’s sad to see how in almost every interview about the sequel trilogy Mark Hamill almost always seems to be in pain. He loved the franchise and being Luke Skywalker and then Disney killed it.
Nah mate, after seeing him throwing tantrums over his caracter not being the op god he had wet dreams about, and then spreading the hate, I lost all respect I had for the guy.
@@jonahdza Are you just gonna go into every reply about Mark Hamill and paste the same sentence over and over?
If you're not a bot, at least you've got a little dedication.
@@jonahdza Mark Hamill disagreed with an unnatural and unlikable take on Luke Skywalker, which feels like all his character development from the OG trilogy was completely destroyed. And yet he still went along with rian johnson’s vision. Rian Johnson openly said that his movie was better than empire, the greatest star wars movie. He doesn’t understand the concept of character development, or having characters people are attached to. You can’t go around mindlessly complaining about something you clearly do not understand. It’s ok if you like the last jedi, it’s not ok to disrespect Mark Hamill, who is one of the main reasons star wars is where it is today
I don't agree with Mark Hamill about a fair few things. But he absolutely cared about Luke Skywalker and Star Wars and they should have listened to him more.
@@jonahdza are you blind go take a eye test and come back with the results
“It’s about saving what we love”
*entire rebellion is slaughtered behind her*
'Oh wait, let's not forget a kiss'
I was really hoping that Finn would make an "Independence Day" and just die there as a hero.
But no no. We needed him alive because.... SPACE HORSES.
@@saulesalejos4483 that scene was epic in Independence day
@@saulesalejos4483 I mean it would've been better than what he did in The Rise of Skywalker which was absolutely jack shit. They fucked over Finn so bad he could've been a jedi, a standout leader, or the guy who tried to redeem the stormtrooper but no...they made their black male lead a joke character...I mention he's black and a male because people seem to always point to 'diversity' when it comes to the Disney movies.
@@krishnarjunar2724 Hello boys, I'm Baaaaaaack!
Literally slaughters a room full of younglings.
TLJ fan: It's for children yo.
@Son of Darkness and the Lord of the Netherrealm,
Oh yeah the Tuskan raiders.....
I’m about to slaughter a room full of TLJ fanboys
the lava part
Their like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!
And they also want to infantilize Darth Vader who literally committed genocide
It’s weird but the Disney trilogy has made me appreciate the prequels more.
The prequels are awesome. Better than the OT even. Outstanding plot, actual struggles, extremely emotional moments, etc. It's beautiful.
@@Kingofthehill674 I 100% agree on that. The dialogue was pretty cheasy.
Unknown Error very cheesy yes but we have greats such as “hello there” and “do it”
@@joepetch308 yes haha
@@joepetch308 it's not "do it",
it's "dew it"
As a star wars fan, i watched the sequels when they came out. I didn't like them, but that's besides the point. I remember before the last jedi came out, i was kinda exited to see how luke would be portrayed. Than, i overheard something my sister said. She said apparently, luke gets the lightsaber, and and just throws it behind him. I swear, i literally hoped so hard, that she was wrong. I actually didn't even believe her. I thought "no way luke would do such a thing". And.... well, you all probably saw the movie.
I did. Unfortunately.
I'll never forget my expression changing from awe to a frown. I walked out of the theatre feeling empty and disappointed. I was 16 years old.
RIght LoL
I agree there were certainly just dumb things that ruined the other movies like burning the Jedi tree, Luke throwing the lightsaber and the magical fairy flight in space
@@cha0s883 god bless the last Jedi
Luke: *doesnt win against Vader after a few practices*
Rian Johnson: Be a lot cooler if you did
Well he's right about something that he is a bad writer
You can't just end an epic final battle in the first fight that's bad writing you have to build the moment when the hero fail then again rise to true final battle between good and bad
Ending it in the first fight between the two main characters the hero/ine and the villain/ness and you will have "The force awakens"and"the last jed"i
You realize that Luke did only train a couple times sure he loses once and then a year later wins which is a much shorter time then it takes most Jedi to train according to Lucas also Rey was trained by Luke who understands everything yoda taught him and probably can train her better than yoda could also maybe Rey is just more talented that Luke?
Henry Dobozy what the fuck? Rey barely even trained, and Yoda taught countless Jedi, where Luke had never taught anyone. It took a build up for Luke to be considered strong, and his skills are explained through his background. Rey is basically given everything, no one knows how she got good at scavenging, and theres no explanation for her to be overpowered. You don’t understand a bit of how characters are supposed to develop
@@austin0207 Well Luke did teach people before Rey, Kylo is one of them but not defending Rian's comment
@@henrydobozy8022 Vader could've killed luke if he wanted but he was his son, he was much stronger with the force, what hold back kylo against rey?
Damn Luke is really Padme's son, he died for no reason just like her
Edit: Holy crap thank you for all the likes and may the force be with you
Padme at least died logically, following a set of "rules" in the star wars universe: a force user used Force Choke, to suffocate her, leading to eventual death. "Rules" so simple that someone who's never watched Star Wars before can understand.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPLAIN LUKE'S DEATH?! He uses "force projection" to cast a fake version of himself while still on his hermit world, all the fucking way to NotHoth, and DIES because his force projection got stabbed????!!!
The only explanation I can think of is he became a Force Ghost like Ben Kenobi did, even then that's a stretch!
@@Manglet762 From what I got is that Luke expended all of his life energy making the hologram. Hence why the final chat with Leia happened. They both knew that Luke would die in the confrontation with Kylo, so they were happy to have the final chat (even with Luke ribbing her on her hair). Remember that Leia and Han wanted Luke to turn Kylo back to the light side?
Basically Luke ended the force projection when Kylo saw through his tactic and he dies.
His life energy?? What happened to the Force??
@@ertymexx It is clearly stated that using the force to that extent is tiring and consumes energy of the user. Luke's death was indeed lame as fuck, but not unlogical. Twin suns were a fucking nice touch tough.
But the moment Luke stepped out on the battlefield, NO ONE ELSE DIES IN THE REST OF THE MOVIE. He solves the problem in the most peaceful and logical way he can, like a Jedi is suppose to. What did you want and old CGI doing flips while taking down AT-AT? No. We got that in the prequels with Yoda and it was stupid
*Movie receives tons of negative criticism
Directors and writers: "you're all just toxic and we are perfect. If you don't like it don't watch it"
*People actually stop watching
Directors and writers: **surprised Pikachu face*
I hear you man. Disney is garbage. It feels like I'm watching a comedy film instead of a film that's about the very serious nature of human beings killing each other for power, resources, domination, etc.
Alias 0311 input Battlefield V.
It’s like company’s don’t care for their consumer and if shits hits the fan they are really confused
All they want to do is push there sjw/feminist agenda they don’t care about the movies
I going to fight every cell in my body that wants to go see episode 9.
I've seen every star wars movie opening weekend (of recent years) and I brought 3 tickets to TLJ over 3 months before it came out. I walked out of the premiere, but return the next day to see I walked out just before Yoda showed up.
That's why I'm not planning to see rise of Skywalker if I do I'll watch it from a free streaming site so those assholes at Disney don't get paid
There’s also a deleted scene of Luke grieving over Han’s death and it wasn’t in the actual movie but they had time to have Luke drink blue milk from a creature. Wtf?! Don’t you people dare tell me that that Han scene had the right to be deleted and the creature scene was worth including because it fit the story.
The fact that Mark Hamill tried to warn everyone made me like and respect him even more. You can tell he actually cares about the fans. After Force Awakens I only watched Last Jedi to see Mark Hamill's performance as Luke. He's a great actor too bad he wasn't allowed to actually play Luke.
I felt the most betrayed when they re-shot the first meeting between Rey and Luke probably more so than at any point ever during any entertainment. And I'm talking video games books movies etc.
The fact that Johnson had to re shoot the end of TFA to coincide with his 'vision' or wtv the fuck you call it for star wars in a conscious effort to subvert fans should have been an eye opener for Kathleen. You can't take those moments back from people. Cinema doesn't work like that TFA.
With that said hopefully JJ hss the balls to do to Johnson what Johnson did to him and reshoot the last scene from TLJ and maybe let Luke collapse on that rock instead. I can only imagine the thunderous applause that would get.
Its only fair.
Hammill actually cares about Star Wars as did the prequels actors you know Harrison Carrie Alec couldn’t give a fuck about it and neither does Kathleen Kennedy as her feminist nonsense what happens to movies actually writing lead characters for females blacks any race for actual reasons and then being great characters like tarrantino films. Thurman in kill bill Jackson in django pulp fiction, waltz in django bastards, Laurent in bastards, actress from Jackie brown, lol the actress who played go go yuburi who was quality and it I hate rose from last Jedi I’m a bigot racist ok yeh maybe start writing good characters and then you won’t be runing the industry with this diversity feminine nonsense. Thank god for tarrantino
Accordion2Kevin they did him dirty
I would have preferred Hammill refused to do the movies, that it was such a bad joke what they were doing to his character that they could either find someone else or write him out (and explain to fans his decision)... The reunion of the original three, which was a main selling point of these movies, was so putridly handled that it would be fair to describe it as false advertising and ripping off the fans... Hammill should have said shove it or rewrite it...
@footferry1589 Disney told him to shut up and say good things, not his choice to pretend to agree.
That moment, when you realize that Jar Jar Binks, the most hated comedic relief side character of the prequels, actually had more character development and is overall a better written character than the protagonist of the sequel trilogy...
Meesa been every voice youssa ever heard
Fraser Cay you are probably the 7th person over the age of 14 to ever say that (no offense)
@Fraser Cay Me too.
Me three though especially just because of how hated and meme worthy he is
Rey took that most hated character position now lol
when you realize that making fun of this movie is more fun than actually watching the movie
Lol, true
U right 😂
Same goes making fun of a comment, more fun to troll / mess with than to just read and leave
The sequels make rebels look like a master piece
@@def3ndr887 yeah mostly well written imperial officers, didn't ruin old characters but added to their stories and rebels also had some masterpieces like ashokas fights, mauls fights/motives, sith involvement, kanan vs grand inq. And some of the aerial action like B-wing beating imperial blockade
Star Wars Episode IX
Luke wakes up from a horrible dream...
The "Dallas" solution. Well played.
Yes, and Mara Jade reassures him that it was just a nightmare.
Yoda come back from grave to slap Kylo in the nuts is more save, story ended, there will be no 10 ended with 9, or just added some clips in the mandalorian, it is enough no need to waste money just to fuk up excellent artpiece.
Halo:infinite
Chief gets out of tube
*damn that was a bad dream*
Clp4tp Frg they’re saying they want to forget the sequels and have everyone at Disney laugh at the mess they made.
‘Han was frozen without a fight’ did they skip the scene at the dinner table where Han doesn’t hesitate to pull out a blaster on Vader? He just blocked it with the force and pulled the blaster out of his hand. Then they’re surrounded by troopers and boba. If you tried shooting the strongest man in the galaxy, then he just stopped the bullets with his hand and yanked your gun from hand, then you’re swarmed by troopers and the fiercest bounty hunter in the galaxy. What do you do at that point?
It's the exact opposite of "going out with a fight." He literally fought back and was captured.
@@MomoAfterDark that’s literally what I just said. I’m pointing out a stupid line in the video
@@christophervanoster I know I’m agreeing
@@MomoAfterDark oh. Sorry
Then Han was fucking TORTURED for who knows how long.
Rian Johnson did achieve something.
His film is more hated than The Phantom Menace.
I'd rather watch attack of the clones than TLJ
@@Barrett1 Ditto.
I rather watch 9/11 videos than the prequels or sequels.
Well he did make one movie that made three other movies look much better. I think that subverted my expectations.
wanna know who's the real menace?
Spider-man!
The force awakens trilogy doesn’t deserve to be canon.
We lost KOTOR for that shit.
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME Eh. Speak for yourself.
@Wade Wilson, "doesn't pander to identity politics"... Don't look now, but you just accidentally validated one of the statements made by Last Jedi defenders. OOPS!
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME The Clone Wars was made to expand on the prequels because before the Disney buyout, Lucasfilm made Star Wars products whenever they felt like it. George made the idea for the show and had a lot of influence on it in Season 1 and it did okay, but not good enough. So Dave Filoni helped George out with the show even more and the other Seasons did really well. After the Disney buyout, Disney cancelled The Clone Wars in favour of Rebels. This pissed a lot of people off in TCW community. And before you say that they're bringing it back, they're only bringing it back because of the failures that TLJ and Solo were (note: Solo was not a failure because I know people in the community who thought it was okay, however it was a financial failure in the eyes of Disney). It also didn't help that the people who are supposed to be "professional" went out and got all butt-hurt on twitter that people criticized their movie.
@@SHEAV_PALPAMEME We've already had great novels, comics etc. Most of the things they come out with now are just terrible copies, not even "new" and that great "new" amount is nothing compared to KOTOR and other EU material.
"If you don't like it then don't watch" - Director
"Okay" - Fans
*watches box office fail of Solo*
"It's just fatigue, don't worry about it." - Disney
Hmmm...
Solo was way better than VII and VIII
@@brooklynboiprod I half agree. I think 7 was a great movie, and Solo was an enjoyable ride too but not as good as 7 imo. Meanwhile 8 was the real dumpster fire, and I think Solo paid the price for that fire after people felt burned from 8. Solo deserved a better box office showing than 8, that's for sure.
@Nickolas Schneider Please grow up. You're entitled to your opinion but personal attacks aren't necessary.
Honestly, fatigue isn't the right word. The right word is more like "oversaturation".
@Kyle Ren what about rogue one?
in relation to "you dont like female empowerment": Its also worth noting the original trilogy had a bunch of female empowerment. Leia was a bad ass in all the movies, rivaling han, threatening suicide bombing jaba, killing folks. In return of the jedi, the rebel mission to destroy the shield generators and take down the second deathstar was led by a woman. Its an insane argument to make.
At this point that argument is just a default
We also lovefemininity . There is nothing wrong with that.
I know I'm a year late, but I want to add on: People love to jerk off Thrawn, but the real core (and best, although that's subjective) plot of the EU was Jaina vs. Jacen/Caedus, at least until the dust of the Yuuzon Vong war cleared. For anyone unfamiliar, Jania and Jacen were Han and Leia's twins - specifically, Jania was their daughter. Not only was she beloved by fans, she was an objectively well-written character. AND her enemy being Jacen - who was her brother - added a unique, emotional layer that the Rey v. Kylo "enemies to lovers rehash # 9 million" could simply never possess.
Apparently, Star Wars fans hate female characters so much that a lot of us are cross they replaced a female character with a worse-written female character.
Anakin and Padme are going to beat Luke and Leias a** after finding out they let Rey call herself a Skywalker
Let's kill some youngling
She doesn’t deserve that name
@@Alexanderc12345 she doesn't even deserve the name Palpatine
@@spectralknightgaming8364 very true
@@spectralknightgaming8364 at least Palpatine was smart, powerful for a reason, accomplished things following logic...
Disney :"Let the past die",
Makes a han solo prequel the next year
I mean they did kill it, not sure cuz they had to though.
They let things die, then they make the rotting corpse dance for money like a macabre marionette.
OMEGA OOF
You realize that Kylo is actually wrong in saying that right? You don't let the past die; you reflect on it, improve on it, and cherish the good moments without dwelling too much on it. Sure, you might argue that Yoda's burning of the Jedi Tree is a sign that he also believe this, but remember that the Ancient Jedi Texts were still intact (somehow) on the Falcon. I felt like Yoda was testing Luke, testing him and his beliefs, whether he actually wanted to burn the tree.
This aside, I highly doubt that Rey is a nobody. It should be clear that she was serarching for answers in a clearly dark side-infested sinkhole, as well as her conversations with Kylo. I feel like the dark side is attempting to influence her, and because the dark side has been known to be more powerful in combat than the light side (the light side has been taught to use their powers to defend, not attack) and has possessed more abilities (force lightning), this would explain why Rey is so powerful, but she doesn't have a clue what the Force really is. But that's just my theory.
@@isaiahlee2902 You should make videos, that was great!
The fact that he thinks Luke losing his first fight against Vader and Han surrendering to an entire army of Stormtroopers and the galaxy’s best bounty hunter is a *bad* thing tells you all you need to know about his understanding of storytelling.
Precisely.
Rian must have some dirt on someone to be that under qualified and still get the job.
I hope lightsabers become real and make Hamill gets one and chops that cunt Rian in half while I hated tfa because it was a copied ripoff that added fuck all to Star Wars and made the original trilogy seem pointless seen as though it was empire vs rebellion again I mean the first 30 mins we’re a copy of a new hope which was lame the movie as a whole wasn’t disrespectful to Star Wars just unrogibal garbage than cane last Jedi and it was disgusting parody garbage agenda shit that was sickening. My 8 year old niece hated it she couldn’t believe that Luke would try to assassinate his own nephew who she thinks is a pussy btw just for sensing darkness when he wouldn’t kill his evil hand chopping Jedi killing father no matter what even when ob1 and yoda wanted him too and 8 year old girl found that shocking that tells you how much of a delusional twat rain Johnson is even mark hammill knows how shit the movie is
he clearly has no idea of such a basic concept as the heros journey which requires luke getting his ass kicked
@@liamholloway-sw7eu and breathe..
I'm 55 years old. At age 11, in 1977, I was Luke for Halloween. Since light sabers weren't even on store shelves, I made mine from a flashlight and plastic tube, like almost every other 11 year old I knew.
I was such a fanboy that in 1999 I was able to find a few brain cells which could like Jar Jar.
And THIS is the film that made me go "Star Wars? Meh."
Yeah, I sum it up this way:
Love the OT
Love to hate the PT
No feelings about the ST at all
Even Prequel haters say they'd rather listen to Jar jar binks then watch the ST
@@snarflechopper2098I'm a prequel lover and if the popular (and wrong) opinion is any indication, my hating the sequels should say a whole lot about their quality LMAO
same! ive still not even seen the rise of skywalker cuz "meh"
Luke getting his ass handed to him by Vader was an important step in showing just how fearsome of an opponent Vader was and that Luke wasn't ready yet. This also meant that Luke could grow into the character we saw in Return of the Jedi... you know? Character growth?
But it would require the most basic understanding of writing to recognize that, which Rian certainly doesn't have. No wonder he writes Rey as a Mary Sue when he thinks that the audience would consider it a bad thing if the heroes of the story fail.
It is literally a part of the “Hero’s journeys” that the “hero” isn’t yet strong enough to overcome the biggest threats.
Exactly right! If Rey got her ass kicked and lost an arm or a leg I would’ve had sooooo much more respect for this movie even though the other plot points were still trash.
Exactly, Vader is a powerhouse with decades of experience, Luke had a crash course for a couple of months, he is absolutely not ready to face him and it is correctly shown in the movie. Meanwhile, Rey whoops Kylo's ass after holding a lightsaber for the first time in her life.
@@paveljuga7068 the word training doesn't exist.
@@paveljuga7068 nope. She was losing the entire fight until kylo overestimated his abilities. He was toying with finn and rey the whole time.
I remember MH challenging both RJ and KK in regards to the story and his character, Luke Skywalker. I'm pretty sure that MH said on several occasions that they need to think about the fans and our expectations, to which RJ said...
'No, this is our movie'
I was and still remain pissed off by that. MH understands the fans and constantly thanks us for being loyal, so for RJ and KK to completly dismiss that piece of advice from MH is ridiculous and a huge slap in the face. Anyone who liked Luke Skywalker in TLJ needs to have a word with themselves.
Nah mate, after seeing him throwing tantrums over his caracter not being the op god he had wet dreams about, and then spreading the hate, I lost all respect I had for the guy.
if I got to make a Star wars movie I wouldn't waste a second thinking about the fans either. I would spend every free waking moment thinking about Star Wars though.
@@redrick8900 That's how TFA happened, a really good standalone film, and a TERRIBLE SEQUEL.
@@maxisdead2153 No. It's pretty terrible by any standard. The protagonist is completely undeveloped and exhibits skills that make no sense for her to have. None of the characters are fully flashed out. The only one that comes close is Ben and his development only works if you understand Vader's legacy.
@@maxisdead2153 TFA was awful, a crappy knockoff of A New Hope pretending to be a sequel. It was like a $200million Asylum mockbuster.
*Episode 7 releases:* Uh that's alright I guess...
*Episode 8 releases:* Uhh... o-k?
*Episode 9 releases:* _w h a t ?_
more like *internal screaming* for episode 8
Episode 7: okay can be interesting
Episode 8: okay this was bad but i cant get worse
Episode : *crying* star wars died and nobody can change it
Ep 7:oh yea I can see myself getting attached to rey
Ep 8:it can't get worse from here
Ep 8:is there a word that is basically the upgraded version of "bad"
It's evolving, but backwards!
@@fall_comic6985 worse, terrible, worst, evil (in terms of characteristics) , horrible, dissapointing
They had a chance to have an iconic moment and story arc with Fin when he went from a troubled storm trooper to a the guy who rescued the rebellions top pilot to the man who sacrificed himself for the rebellion when he crashed his speeder into the battering ram cannon but no they decided to keep him as the goofy dude who just screams Rey
Finn had about 10 different ways he could’ve gone and they all would’ve been great given his potential as character and the uniqueness of his circumstances and they literally did nothing with him and baited us for 3 films AND did John Boyega MAD DIRTY because he’s a great actor and deserved better.
Rey!!!…..Rey!!!!!…….Rey!!!! That’s all of the lines that I can remember Boyega saying
„The plotholes in The Last Jedi are there for ventilation.“ is the best explanation I heard to this date
That's fuckin great. I love it!
That gave me a good laugh
Lmao just a dumb ass hater hating on something he doesn't even know the lore of and yet he still calls himself a fan. Nothing in TLJ breaks the lore and I bet you that, everything you have a problem with, I could easily give you an example of we seeing it before, or it being more logical than you think.
Wanna cry abour "ilogical bombers"? Did you seriously forget about the girl that literally broke her back thanks to the artificial gravity inside the ships?
Wanna cry about the Holdo maneuver? We've seen weaponized hyperspace before.
Wanna cry about Leia in space? We've seen people survive in space before too.
@@jonahdza They whole thing breaks the lore. What fits would be a shorter list. Nothing excuses those illogical bombers.
This comment I like.
It's so annoying knowing how Mark Hamill, someone who really cares about the story, the characters, the fans, the lore in everything he does, disagreed with so much going on in the film and was forced to portray his character against how he knew him.
When someone who had played the character for years, had continued to talk and learn about him for years to come showing true devotion to the role, disagrees with how YOU (Rian Johnson, someone who's done fuck all to do with Star Wars) want to portray him, just listen to the man. He knows more than you. Listen to the fans as well. They are the ones who make or break you and you didn't listen, now look where that got you.
It really makes you wonder what would happen if Mark Hamil was allowed to direct a film. You never know.
When it comes to luke skywalker Mark Hamill is the definitive expert on the subject. Not saying you don't give him a script and direct him. But if he says that XYZ is out of lukes character, then you take that on board, period.
If he says luke wouldn't do XYZ, you don't think... "maybe he's right," you think, "he is right, how do i fix it" The only higher authority on the character is George Lukas and you know even he'd be thinking the latter not the former.
Mark Hamill wanted to play Luke Skywalker's Evil twin. I don't know if that would've been a better idea.
It's not as simple as "just listen to the fans," as an example, look at the Call of Duty series. Whenever fans want something, they get it, but they usually hate it. Because the community is so divided that pleasing 50 percent of your audience makes the other 50 percent fucking hate it.
Even Finns actor is starting to realise the flaws of the movies
I saw the documentary "The Director & The Jedi" about the making of THE LAST JEDI, it clearly demonstrates that Rian was WAAAY over his head and had no idea what he was doing.
They spent an enormous amount of money and time to create scenes that had no meaning, purpose or reason for being in the movie. The millions they spent on making creatures that were never used, the props that were never used, the costumes for literally hundreds of actors and extras in the casino scenes that had no relevance, the locations that could have been done on a sound stage instead of exotic locations that didn't exactly amaze anybody, the fish cow that gave green milk was used only for one shot, and on and on and on.... Doomed from the start.
The audacity of Rian to even imply that Empire would have been criticized as a bad film today. And in front of Mark Hamill himself.
Jerome Ley you can tell it in Mark’s face like “The fuck chuck”
Empire no but one can make an arguement for Return of the Jedi.
1:The plan for Hans rescue made no sense.
2: The teddies were nothing more then a cash grab. Not to mention it made the storm troopers looked even more comically inempt.
3. Luke throwing away his light sabre and exclaiming "I'm a Jedi like my father before me" was incredibly retarded. But you know he risked the whole war on the fact that he sensed the good in him.
4: And of course yet another sink the bismark plot (blow up the deathstar).
random loser At least it can stand it’s feet with amazing characters, instead of trying to copy and paste. At least their plans made more more sense than anyone in the last Jedi could come up with. At least Luke wasn’t a Mary Sue. At least the Empire strikes back didn’t try to subvert every expectation and fail at that.
@@nykerianash1590 What exactly was Hans rescue plan in return? I'm going walk through the chain of events. Tell me how much sense it makes.
Step 1: Have Lando infiltrate and gather intelligence to report back.
Step 2: Send droids with my terms and smuggled light sabre.
Step 3: Princess Leia gives them yet another prisoner to infiltrate and fail her rescue attempt. Thus giving them 3 more prisoners in play.
Step 4: Luke goes in unarmed and gives Jabba his terms face to face partly hoping to mind trick him. He very nearly dies and lucks out on them not straight up shooting him after the Reigncore dies.
Step 5: All are in prisoned and Luke saves the day, lucking out on the fact that none of the extra bodies were harmed.
From any military stand point what lick of sense did any of that make?
Now I'm not going to defend the new movies because they suck. However I'm sick of people turning a blind eye to how much Return of The Jedi sucked and acting like the whole original series was a magnum opus.
New Hope was good.
Empire was good.
Return sucked. Everyone gave it a pass because the first two were that good and it tied up loose ends.
The origina trilogy were not perfect, the prequels have issues but the sequels are... Sigh
[Star Wars is for kids]
meanwhile the slaughter of the Jedi during Order 66 is on full display with masters getting shot.
Also the fact that they hinted at Anakin slaughtering younglings in that movie
Exactly, I agree.
These people need to know that I’m arguing why the last Jedi is bad. I don’t care whether it bothered them or not.
These people need to know that Toy Story is a kids movie but it’s one of the best movies of all time and a classic.
I remember having my face twisted in horror as they not only shot down their commanders, but the kept shooting after they were DEFINETELY dead
@@Itspaydaysboys Good sense though. You wanna make sure the Tangos are good and dead.
They've seen what tough bastards Jedi can be.
@@Itspaydaysboys you forget many of the Jedi were not like Anakin and did not really show much care for the clones, so there was not much love between the Jedi and the clones, although Plo Koon definitely did not deserve it.
"if we judge movies quality based on the money they made, **then the emoji movie is a masterpiece**
and it is
Big Eye Cartoon Enthusiast Anything is better than that corporate cash grab but you can have your own opinion on it.
@@melonlord7443 yes boomer.
The last airbender movie made over $300 million and movies like Birdemic have huge profitmargins.
Marketing is the most important factor in the box-offise, not quality.
@@christroyer69 its a joke idk how hard that is ti grasp
There's no "Star Wars Fatigue" or "DC Fatigue", there's only "Garbage Film Fatigue".
PREACH!
Truth
The sucess of Marvel proves your point.
Moshugaani well said
could not have said it better. thanks Moshugaani!
I'll never forget the moment I realized that the entire movie was going to be a slow chase scene where the bad guys were waiting for the good guys to run out of gas.
Defenders: Star Wars is for kids!
Meanwhile in the council room: Master Skywalker, there are too many of them, what are we going to do?
"Star Wars is for kids, idiot"
"The themes in TLJ are so deep and intricate."
I like that they can't pick one
It’s like TH-cam it’s for kids but it’s an app for 13 years and older...........
@@beastmastergaming8039 too soon dude
Mace casually chopping Fett's head off in Ep II
Mace be like: Peace Mother Fricker 😂😂
Star Wars fans logged onto SWTOR to digitally travel to Alderaan and held a month long memorial for Carrie Fisher after her death.
But we hate women.
Star Wars fans were upset when Disney cancelled the Sword of the Jedi book, staring Jaina Solo.
But we hate women.
Star Wars fans were super hyped for Ahsoka Tano's return in Rebels.
But we hate women.
We loved Natalie Portman.
But we hate women.
We had characters like Darth Trea, Assaj Ventress, Mara Jade, Lumiya, Darth Talon, Luminara, Shak-Ti, Ayla Secura, Yaddle, Mon Mothma, and a long list of others.
Yet Star Wars fans are misogynists and hate women.
Anyone who really thinks that about Star Wars fans is not a fan of Star Wars and knows nothing of its fan base.
You spelled Darth Traya wrong so clearly you hate wymans
The "Mary Sue" crap is indefensible. Anakin was a Mary Sue. Luke was the biggest Mary Sue in the history of cinema. Calling Rey a Mary Sue erases your entire list, and that's why people are pissed. I cannot believe people had the nerve to scoff at her being so powerful with the Force. THE GODDAMNED MIDICHLORIANS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR GENERATIONS. IT'S PART OF THE STORY. IN FACT, IT IS LITERALLY THE ENTIRE STORY.
Yeah rey is a complete mary sue I'd take Kreia any day over any of the shitty characters from the sequels
@@boredom2go Yes the force is strong in the Skywalkers but even they, even the "chosen one", needed lengthy training to actually amount to something when fighting a trained Jedi/Sith, Rey just does it.
Considering the amount of people whining about it being "political pandering", I'm starting to see why people think a large reason the movies are so hated is because people just hate women.
Luke in A New Hope:
Strange old man - Hey kid, wanna go to an aventure?
Luke - HELL YEAH.
Luke in The Las Jedi:
Strange girl - Han is dead, your sister is in danger, the empire is back, there is this evil sith lord... dude... we need your help!
Luke - .... "drinks green milk".... whatever.
Yeah... Your best friend is dead, the rest of your family is going to die. You just gonna...do nothing? How the fuck is this Luke??
@@Armann_ worse off, it is his very dearest apprentice doing those killing, with very skill he taught him himself, and he ain't gonna do anything to stop him and redeem himself. What on Earth did they turn Luke into?
@@kaleidoscope3234 thats not luke skywalker, he is an imposter. The skywalker family doesnt have that kind of sh*ty guy.
@@bondankai13 lets hope that JJ sees it the same. I really dont care how bad it will taste, just bring luke back
"So Rey asks Grumpy to save the dwarves, but Grumpy says 'nah'."
That’s the worst part is that people blame everything except for Rian Johnson
Pretty sure Rian Johnson is blamed the most for TLJ.
you don't see the Russo brothers or any MCU actor complaining about toxic fandom
why????
because they are making great movies
the Lucasfilm people should worry on making good Star Wars movies instead of making excuses
they make movies that, yes, subvert expectations
there's not one single theory about where the Soul Stone could be that was better than what was shown on Infinity War
it is a movie adapting a very well known comic book, that still manages to be fresh
Oh no, I don't trust the MCU after they hired Brie Larson. And all those fucking comments she made ever since she was hired confirmed me not going to see Captain Marvel. And if I see her as the leader of the new Avengers, I'm checking out. I know for sure in this new era, people don't accept or like these SJW Actors and I truly know for sure Captain Marvel will fail to break even. And truth be told, I legitimately hope when it does, Marvel Studio's actors and workers attack the fans like LucasFilm did with The Last Jedi, forcing a massive boycott from the fanbase making Avengers Annihilation not break even.
@@mr.cuddlesworth3144 the movie isn't out yet idiot, calm your titties
@@mr.cuddlesworth3144 flash forward to Spring 2019, Avengers 4 breaking records. Mr. Cuddlesworth in theater. Fín.
10 years of marvel fatigue was clearly the reason why avengers 3 bombe...... oh wait
No no, I have rarely seen anyone “defend” TLJ, I usually only see excuses, attacks on fans and comparisons to other movies.
When you DEFEND a movie you explain why it’s good, they never do that, because they can’t.
I don't care who disagrees with me, the Sequels are overall much better than the Prequels, in my opinion. Even as Trilogies, the Sequel Trilogy is overall better than the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion. I've sat and watched the Prequels and getting through The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones is absolute hell. Even Revenge Of The Sith (it's supposed to be the "good" Prequel) is boring and cringy at times but just not nearly as much as The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones are. I love the Sequels/Sequel Trilogy. I also enjoy Rogue One and Solo as well. The Original Trilogy is still the best Star Wars Trilogy even though I find Return Of The Jedi to be overrated as well.
@@eisteepfirsich3358 Well you have bad taste then. The prequels have world building, give us some background and context, a storyarc, coherent individual stories, some original new ideas (aliens, worlds, technology) cool lightsaber duels, interesting characters, emotions... The sequels have none of that. They are just incoherent, messy, unoriginal ripoffs of the OT with some boring, pointless new characters.
The two first prequels are watchable, and ROTS is the third best SW movie in my book. The Disney “Star Wars”... Only Rogue One is good, TFA is watchable because it is New Hope 2.0, the rest is trash, none are more trashy than TLJ.
@@Imlaor25 Have u even seen the whole trilogy? Every main characters backstory is detailed and makes sense. In the prequels, almost every character has no backstory or a backstory that can only be found in books. There's not a single information about Anakin's father in the whole trilogy, except of course, "He has no father".
@@eisteepfirsich3358 What are you talking about? Only Kylo have some sort of story. Rey- they obviously just make some new shit up in each movie, they didn’t really know what to do with her, except making her the strong savior of the Galaxy. The rest of them- absolutely not. And they are all pretty boring characters.
I have recently heard Anakin was created by Palpatine. But the explanation we get in Phantom Menace is ok with me. He was created by the force, he is the chosen one, like Jesus. And we get his whole story from when he’s 9 years old and onwards, remember?
But this was not what I was adressing in my first post here. Why do you think TLJ is good, let me hear?
@Imlaor25 I know you asked I_love_Carrots but since he didn’t answer I’ll try to explain a few things that makes TLJ good (sorry if my English is bad).
First of all the cinematography in TLJ is probably the best of any SW movie so far and even if you say that things like the hyperspace ram doesn’t make sense it still looks cool and it does not ruin the movie. Second the thing about Rey being a marry sue doesn’t make sense either, if I’ve understood the term marry sue correctly its a character who lacks flaws or weaknesses, I personally like the fact that the force can grow strong within anyone even if that makes them very powerful and in this case it doesn’t make her unrealistically powerful. If it would be that case then she should have been able to kill snoke by herself, which she couldn’t. Also just the fact that she and her parents were nobody’s automatically gives her a flaw. If she was a marry sue then why would she need to get training from Luke and when she gets training she can’t use the force on command which is a flaw. She and her friends fails to save the resistance which serves the movie’s theme of failure, it’s only when Luke shows up that nobody else dies, does that mean he’s a marry sue? NO of course not! Because it serves the plot in a natural way, his return as a force hologram is built up after he realized his flaws and mistakes and took care of it. But back to Rey again, I can understand that people gets frustrated over the fact that Rey becomes a skilled Jedi without the movie showing us the training she did, the reason they didn’t show that training was because it wasn’t needed, we had already seen that she was good at fighting with a staff which is similar to a lightsaber, we also se her doing some training which isn’t really the sort of training you’d expect but it’s still training (she could also have trained of screen but that’s not really a good answer).
It almost feels like I have to explain why the movie isn’t as bad as everyone say it is before I can even explain why it’s pretty good in my opinion. You shouldn’t have to explain why a movie isn’t bad before you give it a compliment.
Anyways I do acknowledge that the movie has flaws like the cantobike scene or the humor but that doesn’t ruin the movie.
It’s getting pretty late where I live so I’ll end my argument here but I’ll try to give more examples If you response and want to discuss anything about TLJ.
Again sorry if I misspelled anything or made my arguments messy, English is my second language.
I’d be happy to hear your opinion.
May the force be with you always :)
“Hyperspace is too expensive as a weapon”
...Didn’t they win a freakin’ hyperdrive from a winged aardvark thing on a sandtrap of a planet for winning one race in Phantom Menace... hyperdrives don’t seem that valuable.
I think a X-Wing us only 150k Credits lol
Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here; I need something more real...
@@timraskopf2185 And it has a hyperdrive, weapons, shields, navigation computers, targeting systems, life support, and everything else
Counterpoint: the empire and later the first order could’ve put heavy restrictions on space travel that the rebellion and republic could’ve had a difficult time dealing with.
Counter-counterpoint: the first order was only in control of half of the galaxy, encouraging smuggling and the progress of technology would’ve made ships far less expensive as a whole. (This assumes the “rebellion” was fairly laissez faire, which given the producers of the new films seems iffy at best. At the least however, technology would have progressed far beyond what was seen in the other movies)
Counter-counter-counterpoint: given the destruction in the wake of the “hyperspace bomb” that presumably would’ve spanned for millions if not billions of miles, this might be a “war crime,” disincentivizing it by risk of court-martialing. This could by why the plan was never explained by the (forgot her name and rank); to protect everyone else from legal liability.
Counter-counter-counter-counterpoint: the first order destroyed an entire solar system in a *show of power,* they obviously don’t care about intergalactic treaties.
Yeah I think I’m done here.
ObviouslyKaleb All I can respond to that is bravo.
I took my 74 year old mother to watch Empire during the reopening of the theaters. Her idea and it was amazing watching it on the silver screen again. We spent the rest of the day talking about it. Timeless.
Mark Hamil's influence should be like 90% of the film. He shouldn't be treated like a second-rate actor that nobody likes, Because we all love him!
that ain't how hollywood works, bucko. mark isn't a good ol boy like rian
@@aidand.7911 you mean he cares more about not being fuckig sued by disney? you aren't winning that shit, no matter how much you love anything
I mean, he has to fade away from the story some time. Can't have mark being the young Luke you know forever
@@sorcererCermet good point
@@sackthebastard nobody is disagreeing on that??? boy u smart
I feel so bad for Mark Hamill, he tried to warn Rian but Rian refused to listen and now we got that shit fest of a movie
82 Pythons holy Jesus do you hear yourself?
DVD Skywalker
Actually it's incredibly easy to explain. The movie sucked, people are pissed.
You must make your teachers so happy to have educated you.
I personally feel more bad for Rian Johnson.
At least Mark Hamill is beloved by fans and is given his own Hollywood star.
@@littleprussian7985 nah, rian johnson IS an idiot, who doesn't respect the lore and the history, he deserves the hate, and even, he calls us "Manbabies" so...
He doesn't even respect his audience.
@@Frank_144 Ever thought about that he isn't actually talking about ALL Star Wars fans?
Just the ones who go too far?
He actually gained death threats!
Also, how do you know that he is an idiot?
And lastly, Rian Johnson probably saw how much people critized the last two films for being too pandering and it would have been predictable if it was exactly like that How it should have ended episode.
Are we seriously gonna commit the same mistake people did with George Lucas?
"If you don't like it, don't watch it." You know, that's actually a fair point; and it's why I haven't watched a single Disney Star Wars property (either film or television) since The Last Jedi was released. Nothing is sadder than someone who professes to hate what Disney has turned Star Wars into but still consumes every bit of Disney Star Wars media that gets released.
Disney doesn't care what you think as long as you're watching. The opposite of love isn't hate. It's apathy. Disney has made me very apathetic towards Star Wars.
Not a fair point.
Pirate life for me
Rogue One was great tho,but that's it
@@bluboyd3637 Rogue One was before the last Jedi so mute point, and no. Rogue One was mid with like 2 cool scenes. People only think it’s great cuz it’s not the sequels, but that’s the Star Wars fandom for ya. Lowering the bar year by year.
A love it when a white guy tells me, a mixed-race guy, that I hate TLJ because I'm a white supremacist.
Love it when a dude tells me, a girl, that I hated his movie because there are women in it. I swear the guy acts like he's the first person to make a movie with women in it. like it's not a big deal and you're not breaking any new grounds lmao
Naw just another person who claims to be a star wars "fan" who hates it more then apprentices any of it lol
The guy apparently thinks all Star Wars fans are white.
Even worse-- that I just don't like it because I'm an SJW. I am an SJW. Part of the reason I don't like it is because it's a right wing authoritarian's version of what an SJW and does not actually do any of the issues justice.
Now that is a mic drop comment !!!
As long as Kathleen Kennedy has anything to do with Star Wars ? Its dead to me .
Underrated comments for 500 please
She's a maaaaahn baby!
peter monaghan you sound like a 12 year old no offense
Mysterio Adult people can grammar. nO oFfEnSe
DOGE aDulT pEoPlE cAn gRamMaR. No offense
You know, at this point, I wish they'd just scrap the new films declare them non-canon, and start over. Maybe after looking at some of the better expanded universe stuff.
Let's just purge all new cannon can go back to EU and stop making movies! I fucking HATE everything Disney has put out star wars wise.
Get George to make them LOL!
The truly sad thing is, this was legitimately our last chance to get the band back together.
Mark Hamill would probably sign on to another GOOD trilogy if he had it in writing that if they fucked with him again he could walk away. But Harrison Ford is never gonna do more Star Wars (getting him on for TFA was probably like pulling teeth), and both Carrie Fisher and Peter Mayhew are no longer with us.
THAT is the true tragedy. And while I'm onboard for scraping this junk, without the core group it's gonna be shit.
Make movies on the battles of Geonosis!
@@StarWarsomania Kathleen betrayed George and his franchise child
I loved the, Leia slapping Ryan and then saying, "Your demoted."
My heart goes out to the original cast that reprised roles for these new films. The horror of having to witness a beloved franchise that you helped create and bring to life being turned into this deformed and grotesque figure that bares no resemblance to what came before it must have been unbearable as witnessed by the look on Mark Hamill's face...
A very fine criticism of ROS. But what to do you have to say about TLJ?
I've been watching alot of SW reviews of the latest movies cause I refused to watch them, and I might cry from the sheer debauchery of it all.
They didnt watch the originals to know why it worked. Kathleen Kennedy didnt know about (or lied) the books. Mind blowingly incompetent. Actually speechless.
Your a million dollar company head in charge of one of the largest franchises in history and you didnt know they made books? No one told you? Is this a jedi mind trick?
audiogarden21 yes Disney care about money. If they could kill people that criticized them without anyone knowing it was them they would. They just care about money. This is beyond heartbreaking
It's even more apparent when you learn that the reason Han got killed was because Harrison Ford literally asked them to do it because he was so done with the franchise.
@@lt-yx1hx LOL Harrison wanted Han dead in the OT. That's a fact.
So Rian Johnson said that Empire Strikes Back isnt good because Luke got stomped on by Vader? THATS THE POINT. Luke was an amateur, he had the lightsaber, trained here and there since Obi-Wan gave it to him, then trained under the former Jedi Grand Master, got cocky, ran off to fight Vader feeling invincible with newfound power and strength. But failed, he realized how outclassed he was and for the next year trained and became stronger and wiser. ESB Luke and ROTJ Luke are two different states of mind. Luke grows up throughout the OT movies. ESB is the turnaround. I cant believe that we have someone who is making Star Wars movies, that really doesnt care about the movies as a whole. George Lucas shouldnt have sold the franchise to Disney. Disney has made to much money out of pure greed, and not love of the series. Since George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, and Disney gave the license to EA. All we have seen is mediocre products by both. The few good things that have come out of this whole ordeal is The Clone Wars resurgence, Rebels, Rogue One, and the pure love of Star Wars from true fans of the series.
RJ has no business writing or directing.
Rebels is a fucking joke
This man does not understand character arc. He believes every protagonist should be an expert at everything, no questions asked. No lesson, no struggle, no journey, no *arc.* All he wants to show is how the good guy beats the bad guy, again and again.
Can you blame Lucas for that? He wanted to retire after the backlash of many that drove the actor of Jar Jar nearly into suicide and ruined the childhood of Jake Lloyd who became a outburned outlaw. We don't make it better when we attack all the time. We should be reasonable and civilized like our God Obi-Wan"The Highground" Kenobi.
I wasn't a huge fan of Rebels, but it did get really good in the last season. I am a fan of how Disney has been handling Star Wars these last few months, the reveal of the Obi-Wan show is borderline historic, the Mandalorian looks fantastic, the return of the Clone Wars has me extremely excited and Jedi Fallen Order already has my pre-order.
Jar Jar fucking Binks had better character development than anyone in The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker
Jar jar binks himself is better than the entire sequel trilogy
Sad but true
Kylo actually had some good character development, until he died for no reason.
Hell, most of the side characters in Star Wars had mor character development than the prequels,boba, Ashoka, jar jar, jyn erso appears in one movie and she’s alright, saw gerrera had development
Jar Jar could have been pretty more developed, but no... They just let him as the secret most powerful Sith Lord during all the saga.
There is one good thing about the sequel trilogy. Because of it’s existence, the prequel trilogy is no longer considered the worst Star Wars films.
Seeing those clips of Mark expressing how horrified he was at this movies dismantling of his character is truly heart breaking.
It really really is.
Yeah, the sequel trilogy isn't canon.
Wouldn't even call it legends, its far beyond that.
Taschip There’s a sequel trilogy? I thought Star Wars ended with episode 6
Black Creeper Explosion Studios it did. Disney is just fan fiction.
Persianpapi nah fanon is good
Duo Lightning Production Studios no fan fiction of star wars is called fanon and some of its good
That scene of Princess Leia floating through space can be used as a form of torture.
I can't tell you how many articles I saw coming out after TLJ where it was titled: "Rian Johnson explains..." And I thought it as, and have told my friends, the following:
"If he made *such* a good movie, why does he need to keep explaining all these scenes? If they were good, wouldn't they just sit on their own merits instead of having to be re-told by the director in an interview?"
to be fair, would they dedicate time to explaining the artificial gravity in the ship when the bombs were released in TLJ
"all these scenes"? Not sure if there is a large number. Good movies certain people needing explaining to does not make for a bad movie.
@@CyberScifi I recall seeing at least 8-12 separate articles breaking down multiple scenes in the wake of Last Jedi's release.
I don't get star wars fatigue, I just hate poor writing
That moment when comics have better writing than a 300 million dollar movie.
@@molodezhnaja The poor writing isn't the only shite thing about TLJ. It's not even SW anymore. I've read hundreds of comics and a couple dozen of the novels. And I can say with confidence that even the fanfic had better writing and felt more Star Wars than TLJ.
This new story destroyed all the characters that we loved from both the movies and the literature that the real star wars fans like myself have learned to love. These are characters that have been built up for 40 years.
And now suddenly Han Solo is this incompetent idiot who loses his own ship and his wife, Chewie is suddenly this puppet who just blindly follows this random girl he met a day ago, Luke is suddenly some coward who runs away from his responsibilities because reasons, the first order is for some stupid reason the single most powerful institution in the galaxy just because they destroyed the capital world of the alliance, .... The writing is so bad that they don't even understand that the Rebel alliance aren't actually rebels. They were the damn rulers of the galaxy. You're not a rebel if you are part of the government that rules the damn galaxy. In the new trilogy, the First Order are actually the rebels.
Sorry, I'm just pissed because Disney destroyed my favourite sci fi fantasy. A thousand comics, hundreds of novels, all the games, ... ruined by a single movie that reads like a piss-poor fanfic written by an anime fangirl.
Seriously, were the writers of that shit even aware of the Expanded Universe? Did they actually know about characters like Revan, Bastilla, The Exile, Nomi Sunrider, Exar Kun, Naga Sadow, Darth Bane, Skere Kaan, the Solo Twins, Kyle Katarn, Darth Lumiya, Cade Skywalker, Vestara Khai, Mara Jade, ....
Notice the amount of women I listed right here. If they wanted a strong female lead, they could've picked any one of them and copied their story. That movie would've been fucking amazing. TLJ was so bad even a cheap copy of the EU would've been a thousandfold better.
@@molodezhnaja to say that means you have no understanding of star wars lore
@@STR33TSofJUST1C3 You obviously haven't been paying attention to anything in the movies. I mean, what movies were you watching? Han Solo is the same guy who once stepped on a twig and got backhanded by the guy he was trying to jump. His character is one who constantly goes from one frying pan to another. Chewie follows literally anyone, presumably to avoid all that random wackiness at home. Luke is on the verge of a profound realization that the Jedi and the Sith both have to end. I thought the evolution of his character was the most refreshing twist since Jar Jar Binks created the Empire. I particularly like the fact that the Force continues to create progressively more powerful people as the generations go on. It keeps infusing these people with more and more raw talent. Anakin, Luke, and now Kylo and Rey. Each of these people had less training than the one before them, yet each of them was stronger.
@@boredom2go
_You obviously haven't been paying attention to anything in the movies. I mean, what movies were you watching?_
All of them. And even though the storytelling in TPM and AOTC was a bit weak, I still enjoyed it far better than TLJ.
_Han Solo is the same guy who once stepped on a twig and got backhanded by the guy he was trying to jump. His character is one who constantly goes from one frying pan to another._
That's a far cry from being a deadbeat husband and father than continues to lose his own ship. Why is it that the comics and novels managed to capture a far more believable Han Solo than Disney could?
_Chewie follows literally anyone, presumably to avoid all that random wackiness at home._
No he does not. If he did, why didn't he just give in to Jabba and work as a bounty hunter for him? Or why didn't he leave Han when he got betrayed on Bespin? That's because Chewie is loyal. And loyalty doesn't shift in one damn second. It took Chewie an entire movie to trust Luke, yet Rey just magically connects with him?
_Luke is on the verge of a profound realization that the Jedi and the Sith both have to end._
Nothing of what you just said it true. That never happened in the original trilogy. Luke Skywalker is the guy that never gave up, not even the Jedi.
_I particularly like the fact that the Force continues to create progressively more powerful people as the generations go on._
Yeah, with zero explanation. Because you this is sth you have to assume. The writing is so bad you have to assume that's how the Force works. Good job.
_Anakin, Luke, and now Kylo and Rey. Each of these people had less training than the one before them, yet each of them was stronger._
Assuming if that's what Disney was tring to pull off with the story, it's still shit. If this is your explanation as to why Rey is this random girl that never fails and is unexplicably powerful, then that is still shit. The general audience does not want a protagonist that is stupidly powerful for no good reason. Such a character is completely unrelatable and boring. The most boring characters in any world of fiction are the one that are inexplicably powerful.
rogue one, a movie that was literally a prequel to explain a 5 minute scene of the original movies made 3 times the money that Solo, a back story of one of the most iconic star wars characters, made. This should show you how much fans hated the sequel trilogy especially the last Jedi.
Rogue one was a genuine good movie imo, but solo was just...lackluster. also, at that time I hadn't seen the clone wars show, so as far as I knew or cared, Maul was dead. Solo could have been great, but it was marred by the same issues as the sequel trilogy
@@Miss_Trillium Solo is a much better movie. Rogue one drags and is riddled with plot holes.
@@redrick8900 and solo is 90% filler lmao
@@jemr3 That's funny. Even if it was true Rogue one is all filler.
@@redrick8900 At least Rouge One was enjoyable filler.
Craziest thing I’ve heard about this shit show is “I rather have mediocre Star Wars movie than no new Star Wars movies”
Rayanne Florence unfortunately we got bad Star Wars movies
Yeah, people that say that Crap are Why producers are getting money in their pockets because "we" arent asking for a great movie. We just want to see the name and theme that somewhat resembles a star wars film.
Go see spaceballs if you are that desperate.
That's not the craziest thing i've heard. I saw i guy who said he hated TLJ (and TFA too) like we all do, but he will keep watching next SW movies from disnep no matter what. Guess some people would literally buy a piece of dog turd, if it was branded as official star wars wookie turd.
Probably the same people that while keep buying shittier and shittier iPhones for higher prices rather than not having an iPhone
Ill just say it here. TLJ was a HUGE travesty bec no chsracter as big as Luke Skywalker had been part of public consciousness as much and as long and they totally dropped the ball on developing continuity and story that would maybe never be surpassed!!! I would of thought that value would be paramount! If I was the worlds only trillionaire I would have outbid Disney to do The Last Jedi justice! That ship has sailed and will never come around again. When movies are totally CGI without actors they will have an underground pirate radio version of The Last Jedi and If I live long enough to see it, it will be the ndxt movie I see for I have not gone to cinema ir rented/ bought dvd since my single viewung of TLJ and do not plan to. This is the one that ruined all movies for me for no one could top the drop and failure/ disappointment of TLJ enough to compell me to ever give movies a chance again
Snoke is actually the worst villain like why is even there he did nothing
*we don't actually know that he did anything, but something MUST have happened in order for snortin' coke to be there.
@@mikeaft3585 coke??
Explanation: Shitty directing and Script
@1 1 yeah but we got his story later on and lucas said that the prequels are coming someday...
but do you guess there will be a movie explaining how snoke got there?
highly doubt it.. and it doesnt even matter since he is gone anyway
@1 1 yes but without Palpatine Anakin would never have turned to the darkside and become Vader and that would have changed the whole storyline. But Snoke just didnt do anything and he could have been a much better villain but guess what the directors just wanted him to sit on a throne all day and do nothing. Great job Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams.
6:47 mark hamills face just should show Rian he needs to shut up
he looked like he was about to slap him
Is he really such an ... .... khm????!!!!
Ryan really said "we don't like that someone who has decades of experience over a newbie and who is much more powerful than them was able to kick the newbie's ass, we think that everyone should be equally powerful regardless of how much experience, knowledge or strength they have because I got a participation trophy when I was little."
"If you read the novels, you'd know Rey downloaded Ben's training."
1) I shouldn't have to read supplementary material to understand the plot. That's just bad writing.
2) That's even worse. Because if that's the case, then Rey didn't earn anything at all. Everything was handed to her since the moment TFA came out, and people wonder why she isn't a good protagonist.
writer of film says " I dont think I could write for a living"
The moment I heard that they were getting rid of all the Expanded Universe materiel, I knew it was going to be a cluster f*ck.
They put people in charge that do not give a single shit about Star Wars.
Honestly Star Wars needs what the MCU has. A group of people who actually care about the film and source material.
The fact that they would throw away a character like Admiral Thrawn is the biggest hint that they don’t give a shit about the universe or making money.
They wanted to completely own Star Wars and eliminate any other entities that had an influence in creating its lore. If they could get away with destroying Lucas’s lore as well they probably would, but that would leave them with no Star Wars at all. Just a bad sci-fi trilogy.
EU lore would’ve set them up to milk the cash cow that is star wars for the next couple of decades. Now they might get a couple more years before they kill the fandom completely
@Michael RedCrow IKR! I loved the Thrawn Trilogy.
to be fair, the EU was quite the clusterf*** itself. The prequels REALLY screwed with the information established in other works, like the Han Solo trilogy and the Thrawn trilogy. The difference between Disney Star Wars and the EU is that the EU was a clusterf*** of brilliant stories with a couple bad or wacky ones here and there, the Disney canon is a well-maintained timeline of mostly bad stories with some good here and there.
This is why andor and rouge one were amazing. They were made because the creators had a genuinely good idea and a genuinely good story to tell rather than just making something up for money
"George did it because he was crazy"
Yeah that sounds pretty George.
I'm pretty sure he's saying "creating" or "creative", which also fits with the next line: "Rian is no creator."
@@SelvesteSand Nah, I'm pretty sure he said "crazy"
Poor Mark tried dozens of times to warn and protect us..
Real Luke Has died In The Return Of The Jedi *or atleast Battlefront 2. After that? Just A Ben Kenobi Equal Lightsaber combatant with less Wisdom. Seriously Luke's failure is nothing compared to Ben's Hesitation causing the Rise of Darth Vader, yet He still Look after Luke, Hoping that Luke may be the answer... and he is.
Even Mark Hamill said that wasn't his Luke, he was more like Jake Skywalker. I love his sarcasm.
@MrTsiolkovsky Fuck ya. Luke is the best Star Wars character and my favorite fictional character of all-time
@@chindleymuffin that made lol the first time I heard that interview. I'm convinced Jake Skywalker is Luke's clone like in the Heir to the Empire series lol
No, actually he didn't. Read this: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/mark-hamill-rian-johnson-regret-the-last-jedi
It looks like you are wrong.
My mom walked in on the part when Leia was flying back to the ship and she said, "Hey, you watching Harry Pottter"
One of the worst defenses that I've heard goes like this - "We needed the Last Jedi because without it, we could not have taken the franchise in a new direction separate from the Skywalkers." This is such a ridiculous statement on so many levels. There were a million other ways they could have taken the franchise in a new direction. They could have simply made a trilogy, starting with Ep 7, that is completely removed from the old characters and locations. But instead, they brought Luke, Han and Leia out of retirement and bastardized them in order to prop up their terrible new heroes.
No, we didn't f*cking NEED the Last Jedi in order to move in a new direction. They could have just, you know, DONE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING!
Don't even start on all the things "Rian now added" that were part of the core Star Wars experience, like "now other people than Kenobi and Skywalker can be Jedi"... they sure slept around then to fill an academy full of younglings :/ *facepalm*
Hassat Hunter - God yes. That drives me insane. “You don’t need to be part of a noble bloodline to be a heroic Jedi now!” No shit, people! Did you forget the hundreds of Jedi from the prequels?! The funny thing is, Luke being part of a Jedi bloodline at all is an exception, not a norm. Because, you know, Jedi were celibate and all that.
Blows my mind how little people even know about this franchise when they praise TLJ.
The vast majority of Jedi with the exception of Luke were conceived from normal, non force-user parents. Like you said, the Jedi were not having sex with each other in the temple to create more Jedi. That’s not how it works, lol
@@ericsantucci6934 I agree but for the Sith (Pureblood), you're more likely to see one Force sensitive than to see one who's not
Eric Santucci exactly. I guess Exar Kun, Ulic Qel Droma, Zayne Carrick, Revan, Meetra Surik, Darth Malgus, Darth Bane, Kyle Katarn and Galen Marek were all Skywalkers.
Even then, as the 8th film in the original saga, it should have a relation to the other trilogies to make one cohesive story. Not a random cash grab DLC.
The worst thing about TLJ was that Leia flying through space scene. When she got blown out into space, I was a struck by a similar feeling to when Han was killed. I knew she had to die though, Carrie Fisher had died- they needed to work her out of the series some how. That scene was the perfect opportunity to do a few reshoots to replace scenes during the remainder of the movie. Maybe have one of the other characters see that the Rebellion is without a leader and step up to fill her place. Do they do that? No. Instead, their heads were stuck so far up their own asses that their film couldn't adapt and change to the death of one of the leading actors. They have the most garbage, eye-rolling scene I have ever seen in Star Wars. A friend and I literally looked at each other during the movie with the expression of "what the fuck. really?" When your audience has to stop watching your movie to acknowledge how shit something in your movie is- that's not good.
Worse yet... the reason Leia survived is because women are 100 times more important than men.
The Force is Female now.
From start to finish this is shown over and over again, starting with the opening shot where we have Leia's real life daughter in charge of all the men on the ground. The man towers over her, but she is the one shouting so she must be in charge. She has to remind him lives are more important than ammo.
Next up is Blue Squadron Leader, a 20 something Millennial Falcon kinda girl in charge of old crusty bearded pilots that must have been around during the golden years.
After that we are treated to the bomber chick. "It's all down to you!" Poe says, the man who created a mess and had to be cleaned up by a woman. Oh and she uses the Force in which Leia herself senses.
Poe is trying to sacrifice himself every chance he gets, but only women are important enough to achieve this. Watch as that chica dies in the explosion, watch Poe's face in slow motion. "I wish I could do that!". Seriously, the bomber girl even had 3 men shouting in slow motion as she overcomes male pressure and achieves the mission.
So in the first 10 minutes of the film....
1. Women are in charge of the entire Rebel Resistance as revealed in the shitty opening credits,
2. They are in charge of the boots on the ground as well with the opening shot.
3. Are in charge in space with Blue Squadron Leader. "Bombs away!"(bitch why you happy, all your friends died, probably shouldn't have ordered a tight formation with a bunch of explosive bombers filled with bombs.)
4. A woman achieves the mission started by a man who was disobeying orders from a woman.
Then it only gets worse as these things are hammered home.
Like the woman teaching the man that lives are more important than ammo, Rose Tico has to teach Finn lessons of morality at Canto Bite my ass scene.
Remember what I just said about Poe trying to off himself in a blaze of glory in the 1st and 2nd film?
Well Finn tries this too, only to be stopped by Rose who heroically sacrifices herself.... in the name of love.
What??? The look on Finn's face. "Bitch you trippin, we just friends." But he couldn't say it on the account of her dying in his arms so he just had to play along.
Do I even need to mention Holdo?
First, poor Admiral Akbar for being passed up by Princess Leia to be the Supreme Grand Poobah Commander, and being unceremoniously killed off without so much a mention. But who the fuck does Kathleen Kennedy think she is that she can just thrust herself into Star Wars lore? This is a BS made up character that is a fictional representation of KK. To deny this is to feed the Dark Side.
Why is the new Star Wars trilogy "not our movies", but they are for Kathleen?
She is getting everything she wants, even going so far as to insert herself into them, like we wouldn't notice.
Oh, and again, not only is she in charge.... she also sacrifices herself in a heroic way to save the Resistance.
I wish I could write the 3rd one. I would bring Holdo back to life just to kill her again for some completely mundane and insignificant reason. They clone her and before she even gets a chance to do anything significant, she dies in the middle of a speech.
I could make a career out of bashing these new Star Wars films for the rest of my life, that is how bad they are and how endless the material is.
I don't think writing someone out of a movie because they died is something you should do, it's just f' d up. They should have had Kylo blow the ship up, like you can personally kill your father but blowing up a ship your mom happens to be on is a no go. But yeah what did happen was bs, if Leia, never trained in the force, while dead in the vacuum of space can fly back to a ship that has a giant hole in it, then Mace Windu a jedi master should have shown up with no hands to help Obi wan take down Anikin in the 3rd movie with new robot hands and then most of these movies never happened
Even the flying in Superman from the seventies looked more realistic and made more sense than this pile of hot garbage. Like wtf ... not only does it make absolutely no sense, no ... It also looks retarded as f****.
That's known as a "grotesquerie." When something is so bad in a story or movie it interrupts your suspension of disbelief. This movie is full of them.
Trollselektor I had a similar experience with my friends lol
The worst thing is that The Last Jedi was our last chance to see our some of our beloved characters from the original trilogy do something. Luke is dead and Carrie Fisher has passed away. The fact that we lost this chance at the cost of social justice agendas and a misunderstanding for what the fandom wants (at least I hope it's one) is truly just sad
Not only sad, it's infuriating...
And on top of that jackasses from the production of this horse-shit of a movie push other agendas to make us just "shut up and get over it".
The only, ONLY way for this bullshit to stop is for them to stop receiving money. And that's easy, just stop watching the movies.
But nowadays its hard to get out of the avalanche of social media, news, and video bullshit that is pushed to shut everyone up.
People seem to forget how easy to use and powerful of a weapon social media control is.
oh don´t worry i heard they were going to use already filmed material from episodes 7 and 8 for the leia scenes....... wait, that´s not something to look forward to...... i heard we get to see lando again...can´t imagine on what silly and nonsensical way they are going to ruin lando next
Or how about the fates of other beloved characters from the OT like Admiral Ackbar, killed off in the most humiliating, anticlimactic manner. Or that Chewie has been reduced to a chauffeur. It’s just sad all around.
@@VideoAmericanStyle lando and chewie got the best treatment so far in my opinion.... lando because he isn´t even mentioned
@@Alegost1 Lando!!? I wanted to see Lando again, but now I am not so sure. It's one of the things I loved about old EU it contained enough adventures for the characters, Lando Carlissian and Labot included :).
Why don't they get Jon Favreau to make the new star wars trilogy? He did a great job on the Mandalorian
Even better, Dave Filoni
Actually I would watch either one
@Obi-Wan Kenobi as I know there were quite big numbers of siths that were able to kill tens of men by the age of 3+ in the old republic. What you described i find nothing wrong with that, everything what was shown is pretty reasonable including being extinguished from using the force.
come on, i like it a lot but several of the episodes are garbage
I found The Mandalorian to be kinda shallow. Good but not great, that being said though I'm sure Favreau could make a better Star Wars Ep 8.
And yes, there are a couple of episodes that have nothing to add.
Dave filoni and him are better for tv shows
For those who still want good Star Wars content, I’d recommend The Clone Wars (2008 - 2020) as it’s probably some of the last good Star Wars content we’ll get.
Edit: hey dipshits, I know bad batch exists, and Mando, this comment was made nearly a year ago
Phillip Hensley I actually prefer the last four episodes of clone wars. They are absolutely outstanding!
Clone wars final season hit hard
Agreed. Except for those two useless and annoying sister characters who take up waaay too much time in the final season. Could have been used for the dark disciple arc instead. Shame
@@LVpowerlift yes yes yes and yes
I’m on season 3 of the clone wars
Its funny that Rian Johnson calls people man babies... he is literally the text book definition of a “man-baby”!!!
Rian: **makes something extremely flawed**
Fans: **give valid criticism with sound arguments**
Rian: *"Mooom, the manbabies are saying mean things to me"*
16:36
yeah he is man. he looks like it and his ideas are really just so...high level, there is no depth what so ever, just like a child
@@liambagwell15 beat me to it lmaooo
It's just funny that he could go to insulting his audience rather than accepting criticism
Everything about Rian Johnson is creepy. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near him.
It’s the voice. He sounds like a perv
I wouldnt let my kids listen to the bs he says
lada zibarova lol
Riann Johnson is noted for qualifying to direct TLJ based on: 1. Directing Looper. 2. Directing a single breaking bad episode. Looper was a solid film, and this leads me to believe he was only marginally involved. The breaking bad episode he directed was "The Fly", one of the most unpopular episodes that bored viewers to death as the protagonist spent 45 minutes trying to kill a fly in his underground laboratory. RJ bravely "shatters expectations" by insulting and trolling his audience. Good job Disney. I will always stear clear of his work in the future.
The Fly was a great BB episode! I agree with James Rolfe
_Looper_ was so bland and torpid I gave up less than 15 minutes in and switched channels to something more engaging. I think it was some Animal Planet documentary about lions and shit.
Lions are always cool!
Rian Johnson is an excellent and unique director. I mean he clearly has his own experimental style borrowed from the indies and old classics not seen in Hollywood that much and I'm glad he got to put those visuals to work in the Star Wars universe. Looper and The Fly is works that demonstrates what sort of films he's striving to make. Both were slow burners which Breaking Bad always has been about. If you think the episode was jsut about killing a fly, then you've missed the enitre plot. Now that being said, Rian is an excellent director. What I won't defend though is his writing which as seen in this movies still has some problems. It is important to distinguish between those two terms and know the difference from what a director and a writer does.
Cavers: Yes, Johnson is obviously more of an avant-garde, art house style filmmaker. And if he had just stuck to what he was best at there'd be nothing to complain about.
But giving complete creative control over a big name, big budget, well-established space opera franchise to such a person, especially one with only a half dozen previous low-to-mid budget projects under his belt, was a _huge_ mistake.
(And yes, lions are totally bad-ass.)
Revenge of the sith or empire are my favourites tbh
Sparkz agreed
Two of my Top 3 for sure
God ROTS is so fucking good
same!!!!!
The last hour of Revenge of the Sith gives the prequels a bit of gravitas. I know Hayden got a bit of flak, but to be honest, I don't know what you would do as an actor with some of those lines. Still, what a conclusion.
The Last Jedi is not just a horrible Star Wars movie. It’s a horrible movie. Spent most of the movie shaking my head.
Agreed. and like another poster said, TLJ makes the prequels look awesome to me, and I didn't care much for them when they were released. Now, they ARE Star Wars, and TLJ is just not. It even lessens the good feelings I had for TFA.
Yup
I had to go to the bathroom 10 to 20 times so I can't watch anymore.
same here..
I started watching TH-cam during the movie.
Ryan Johnson: people don’t like empire strikes back
Me: that is bullshit it’s my favourite movie ever
Rian Johnson: People don't like The Empire Strikes Back.
Also Rian Johnson: I'll copy as much of Empire that I can, people loved it.
I think my favourite as ROTJ but the empire is my 2nd favourite.
It’s actually a great movie
My favorite part is when Spock said “You’re a wizard, Luke”
Making Luke depressed and grumpy is so completely opposite of his character, that’s like having Daenerys kill countless of people lives and try to become a dictator, which we know could never happen
Bryce Gibbins
Yeah that sounds ridiculous
Yeah ikr? He would never throw that lightsaber away tf
It really isn’t but ok.
or make jar jar binks a good guy when in reality hes a sith
You mean a guy who gets old and sees his lifes work disappear shouldnt be sad or grumpy? Were you still expecting him to act like hes in his 20s?
one role doesnt make a career
*laughs in mark hamil*
he actually had one before star wars
Pixater Cubes oh really? i didnt know that
@@ilikecheese4518 good point lmao
*laughs in Joker*
Mark Hamill is one of, if not the greatest DC voice actors ever. His portrayal of the Joker is unsurpassed and he's done other characters like the Specter extremely well. To say that his career is based on Star Wars really isn't true. It's definitely the role he's well known for, but I like to think that his best role was as the Joker.
I liked the idea of an aged Luke struggling with the weight of the Galaxy on his shoulders. But the execution was pathetic. Makes me feel so bad Mark was subjected to making it.
You forgot one of the more common ones...
*If you dislike Last Jedi it's because you're not a "TRUE FAN!"*
Sean Harrison the response is: if you actually like that piece of shit is because you’re not a real fan (it doesn’t matter how many LEGO Millenium falcons you have.)
The fanboys who call themselves "true fans" are by far the worst kind of fanboys. According to them if you don't like literally every film in a series even the bad ones they say you're not a fan of it even though if you like and are interested in something then you by definition are a fan of it. You can be a fan of a series as a whole while not liking the bad films in it. Fanboys think calling themselves true fans make being a fanboy sound like a good thing. It's not.
@@Xehanort10 it more like how i wouldnt say im a chucky fan. I like 1,3,4,6 that doesnt make me a chucky fan it makes me a guy who like those few movies. If you dont like the new movie then you are no longer a starwars fan. That doesnt mean you dont like the originals bit if you dont like the movies then you just don't
No. People who don't like the new films are Star Wars fans. They don't have to like the sequel trilogy to be Star Wars fans. I like the original trilogy, certain elements of the prequels, the Clone Wars show, the EU, Rebels and Rogue One. Therefore I'm a fan. By your logic anyone who doesn't like the shitty Star Wars Holiday Special which even George Lucas himself hates isn't a Star Wars fan.
@@Xehanort10 no you misunderstood or 8 wasnt clear. Im saying if you go around saying you dont like the majority of something you cant call your self a fan. Im talking about all the people i hear who hate the prequels the new movie the new cannon all that.
Dude, this video was a lot of fun to watch, especially when the mire of TH-cam is filled with such crappy defences of the movie, nice to get a bit of sanity in my recommended lol.
The sad fact is all of you negative fans keep showing hate towards the new movies instead of just enjoying them. How about you go back and watch the original trilogy and see all the flaws that it had to. I mean, this hate is getting out of control and is making the Star Wars fan base look immature and ungrateful about what we get. I mean, would you rather have no Star Wars movies ever be made again?
TheRealCoolness again fucking again oh just fuck off
@@braden5420 I'd rather they go back to making good SW movies or at least ones that are fun to watch and don't explicitly push an agenda.
+TheRealCoolness "immature and ungrateful about what we get." that's the stockholm syndrome talking.
i really love the Original Trilogy had flaws therefore TLJ is not as bad.
The original trilogy does have flaws. They are not perfect films, but all three of them combined don't even come close to the number of flaws in The Last Jedi.
One of the funniest things imo about the Sequels is Snoke. They eluded to him in the First Sequel, putting out bread crumbs of "Oh boy, this guy might be the paramount threat of the Sequel Trilogy, I wonder how he's going to get developed as a Villain." Then he just dies with no menace built up or anything in the Second Sequel. But oh, lets bring back Darth Sidious, despite the fact he died at the end of the original trilogy. You know, instead of using the Villain we already built up in the First and Second Sequel.
I remember arguing with someone who was defending this movie, and they eventually got fed up and said, "Plots don't have to make sense!" I asked them to extrapolate, but they just left after that.
Wow.
Lol. Thats probably what Rian Johnson thinks.
A lot of movies do have glaring plot holes but they just aren't xritisized like star wars. Not that I'm a Rian Johnson fan or a fan of the new star wars
@@jbot91 Oh, trust me, no movie escapes criticism. Star Wars just gets the spotlight because of how important it is to movie history.
It spent nearly 50 years as a pop culture landmark, with a plethora of well-written characters and stories behind it, and then over the course of just two years it fell to the point of, "plots don't have to make sense."
@@StrunDoNhor yeah but like if let's say avengers endgame was held up to the same light, it would fall apart. I could ruin the movie rn for you if you want lol 😂😂
George made Star Wars in the way his 12 year old self remembered watching Sci-Fi movies back in the day, but on a much more massive scale. That isn't that same as saying "it's made for children."
The third trilogy is like a dumpster fire that got hit by a derailed train.
shhhh just pretend that it doesn't exist.
@@myldcartunyst6593 Exist what?
I don't even know what you are talking about.
nah i think its fun to watch
@@melonlord7443 So is "The Room".
The difference being that "The Room" didn't destroy a beloved franchise.
@@andregon4366 the difference between you and me is that i didnt let a single movie ruin a beloved franchise .
I just can't get over how they actually built the animatronic for a 5-second gag where Luke gets milk. How many thousands of dollars were put into that and then where did it go after? so many questions
What a waste of money lol
Instead of paying the writers or hiring a better director they decided " hmm yes blue milk robot"
4:36
@@willno8888 seems like an accurate depiction of Disney overral
I had hope for the new Starwars after Rogue One showed potential. but I was heavily dissapointed after TLJ.
Yeah, Rogue one had the benefit of a good director and the time period it was in.
Rogue One was absolutely fantastic, and then TLJ came out..... I was shocked, had to go watch it again and decide that I absolutely FUCKING HATED IT.
And on top of that it had no Jedis in it and still was a good and interesting Star Wars movie.
Yeah I know the Vader scene and boy did I love that one but the movie would still be good without it.
Erick Robles The funny thing is that Rogue One wasn’t that great in terms of characters. It’s most interesting and deep character was an ex imperial droid for gods sake.
What made it a great Star Wars film was that it was true to the universe. It had the feel, the excitement, and it really was an ode to star wars and its fandom, even if it didn’t have the best characters.
The people who made rogue one love Star Wars, that much is obvious. The last Jedi and Solo however?? Not even close.
@@isaacsorrels4077 100% agreed