Unboxing, Setup and First Impressions of a WoodRiver 5 1/2
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- Will a WoodRiver 5 1/2 cut straight out of the box? Let's find out. I will unbox, setup and use it to determine the answer.
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Sadly, I wish someone would do more of these based on buying from a more traditional store. Rob has great videos, and if I could buy planes from him I would. But he makes a point that all the planes that come through his shop are flattened and sharpened and tuned. I wouldn't have a second thought buying from him, and maybe one day I will try one of his other tools since he can't ship to the USA with Planes (or it gets really complicated lol). I did enjoy the video.
@inkandbarrel thanks for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I totally see your point. Rob has done a video like what you are talking about. Here’s the link: th-cam.com/video/JTXGgZqnX0A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UrZ2ZjVXqplsZAbm
Thank you for sharing your first impressions.
No problem. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
To be honest I'm afraid more of sharpen correctly the plane than used it. Please post one. Thy again
@@henrysara7716 I will eventually. I actually basically follow Matt Estlea’s method but want to adopt freehand sharpening like Rob Cosman. Here are their videos…..
@@henrysara7716 th-cam.com/video/oUAu6oO2_5Y/w-d-xo.html
@@henrysara7716 th-cam.com/video/okLIEoz00v0/w-d-xo.html
Measuring at the end of the calipers at the "knife" edge cuts into the shaving.
Take a shaving and:
1. Cut it into four pieces.
2. Put the pieces together (alternate surfaces) and take a measurement, but not at the edge; use the wide part of the jaws.
3. Divide by four.
I bet it is more than one-half of one thousand.
Although I see your point, I don’t necessarily agree 100% with you because the callipers still have a flat spot at the end that is 1/32 of an inch wide so it’s not a knife edge cutting in. It’s just simply less surface area between the jaws compared to deeper in the jaws so yes, it may be possible to compress the shaving somewhat.
Regardless of whether or not, we agree or disagree I did what you said, and measured four layers to be 0.0025” so one shaving is 0.000625” thick.
Your comment is highlighting a very good point that we need to be aware of the methods in which we test and report data. If we do multiples of something the error can compound or multiply several times over. Also, if we squeeze the callipers harder they will give us a smaller measurement.
Thanks for your comment David. It helps keep all of us on our toes and thinking.
Hi thanks for the video, what angle are you sharpening your bevel to and also the secondary or tertiary bevel? Thank you
I hollow grind at about 25 degrees then sharpen at 30 degrees. I don’t really bother with a secondary or tertiary bevel. If the primary bevel is getting long I might switch to 30-35 degrees until I feel like doing the hollow grinding again. Seems to work for me. Although it’s simple, I’m particular about it and basically do the same thing all the time.
Thanks for the video, but that it went through Rob’s prep service first kind of is a let down when it comes to reality. Maybe with the next WR tool you buy, you buy it from Woodcraft. You’ll save a few bucks in cost and shipping both; annnnd it would be a go comparison not just of what folks buying from WR can expect, but also would say a lot about the difference there is between the manufactured good and the great job Rob and his crew do. Just my 2¢, thanks for the video.
Good idea. Thanks for watching.
Agreed, I was excited then disappointed lol.
Be interested in a sharpening video of yours. I really enjoyed this video
Sounds good Kevin. I’ll add it to the list. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching.
Let me know if you like these types of videos so I know if I should make more.
I enjoyed it, it gave me some good ideas on how to evaluate and set up my new planes on first use.
@@lowrights33 thanks for watching and your feedback. I appreciate it!
Very helpful. M in the market for a few good planes and weighing this one and the Veritas as well as LN. obviously cost is a big factor and I’m willing to put in some extra work to save but to what degree is the thing I’m considering. Thanks, very useful and more similar content is welcome.
@@victoryak86 my Wood River planes work every bit as well as my Lie-Nielsen planes. There is a negligible difference. Yeah, the Lie-Nielsen planes look nicer, but the performance is so similar to the Wood Rivers. I would tell you to buy the Wood River planes and just do a few very minor modifications to them so they work as well as the Lie Nielsen’s. I doubt it would take you any more than one hour of work per plane. You will need to use a file around the bottom perimeter of the sole to remove any burrs so that the plane doesn’t scratch your work piece or track on an angle when you’re pushing it. You will also have to probably flatten the chip breaker where it contacts the blade to maximize contact area in order to minimize chatter. You may or may not have to flatten the back of the blade. Every blade is a little bit different and as long as you use the Charlesworth ruler trick to put a back bevel on the blade you don’t need to be crazy particular flattening the back of the blade itself. There’s a few other minor modifications you can make to get the plane working optimally, but a couple TH-cam searches will tell you all the rest.
I have a WoodRiver No. 3 and it's a nice little smoother. The only things that I fettled on it were the iron and chip breaker. I would say that my hands are on the smaller side of average and it fits like a glove.
Ya, Scott, I think the WoodRivers bring great value to hand tool woodworking. Thanks for watching and commenting. If there’s any way I can make the videos on my channel let me know!
@@garynelles
The new (well, somewhat new) socket chisels look like a good value. I'm sure that you've seen Rob's video aboot them. I'll admit that I have more chisels than any man could ever need but, a few more couldn't hurt.
I’ve seen most of his videos but I don’t recall seeing any on the WoodRiver chisels for a while.
How can I get this here in Uganda and at how much plus shipping to uganda
Check out:
1. robcosman.com
2. woodcraft.com
Maybe one of them ships to Uganda.
What is the manufacturing country?
A quick Google search says they are made in China. I’ve been using them since April or may and I have been pretty happy so far.
@@garynelleswhat was the deciding factor (s) that made you go to WR product over a Lee Valley Veritas 5 1/2 retailing at $399.00 cdn. that is available at any local outlet. Was it price, the promoter of the plane , Chinese manufacturer or because it’s a copy of the old Stanley design? 🇨🇦👍👨🦳
@richardc6932 hey Richard. I began my hand plane collection with the Lee Valley starter set of bevel up planes (low angle jack, smoother and low angle block). When I bought them I was just learning about hand planes and since it’s easy to get Veritas planes in Canada I bought them. I’m not crazy about the low angle jack or smoother because of the Norris adjustment mechanism. I love the low angle block even though it has a Norris adjustment mechanism as well. I get extremely frustrated when I try to adjust them because one adjustment inevitably affects the other. I used a few bedrock designs from other woodworkers, and instantly loved them. I hope that answers your question.
The only thing I didn't like about the Woodriver plane is the back/push handle. That arc to the handle seems to hit a pressure point on the heel of my palm. Some say if I get a round 2 it (wood lathe joke...) I will make a new handle. I have experimented a bit with different hand positions when using it, but it still feels 'wrong' for my hands.
Have you considered doing some minor reshaping of the handle with a rasp? It may be faster and better than remaking a new one.
Possibly, I think I would prefer to start from scratch, if I ever get around 2 it... I have a bunch of exotics. A local gentleman, 2 time president of the International Woodcollector's Society had an 'everything must go sale'. Lots of woods I had never heard of. Almost too many choices. Some he didn't know what they were.
Oh, your channel got mentioned over at Sawmill Creek Message boards. I have been on their turning forum for some time, and into the 'Neanderthal' forum, which is all hand tools for a year or so. Can't remember which thread it was, but I had not run across you before. I am now trying to figure out Japanese style hand planes. Another challenge....
@robohippy using an exotic wood would be cool! It’s also cool that my channel is getting mentioned in message boards. I never thought that would happen. Thanks for letting me know.
I thought Wood River and Luban/Qiangsheng planes were very similar, even possibly the same. The best thing about my Qiangsheng is the Tote. It is beautiful and the most comfortable I have ever used. It looks very much more fluid shaped and a lot less straight. That wood river tote could not be reshaped the same. Copying the Qiangsheng would be ideal but really difficult. The wood river tote looks uncomfortable to me, so I understand your problem.
Tool duel!
You read my mind.
I think it’s a shame he puts a back bevel on the blades. I’d much much much rather spend the 15 minutes to get the entire bottom of the blade flat once, and never hone it again for the rest of the life of the blade outside of the occasional polish. Same with the micro bevel on the front of the blade, if it needs a steeper angle, have the company grind them to a steeper angle. If you’re sharpening with power sharpening like a drill attachment or toolsharp or similar, flattening the bottom will take less than 5 minutes and re angling the bevel takes 1 sheet of very low grit sandpaper and about 15 minutes tops. For how much they charge for the plane it shouldn’t have to have micro bevels to save money on labor hours.
Once you put a back bevel on a blade you’re going to have to spend a VERY long time to get rid of it, especially if the blade wasn’t already nearly perfectly flat
Ya as you’ve explained there are many ways to sharpen a plane blade. Your way will work fine. I prefer that back bevel using the ruler trick and a secondary (some call it a micro) bevel. I prefer it because it is fast and easy to do. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate hearing other people’s opinions, tips and workflows!
I’m sorry I don’t like the adjust star just doesn’t look like it belongs on any plane ever made
Ya they look weird but after you’ve used one you’ll never want to go back to the stock ones even if your hands don’t have arthritis.
If I had a plane prepared by Rob I would never take more apart than I had to it's like painting over the Mona Lisa
The more you do it the more comfortable you get. You really can’t mess it up. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it!
spoiler: no. lol
What do you mean Justin?
interesting video although i am a veritas customer! i do have some other tools from rob though. i met him last summer at his shop just outside st john new brunswick. tillsonburg hey? i'm about an hour away in sarnia
the machining looks pretty decent, i have an old stanley bedrock and the machining on it is very good
Hey Steve. I’ve actually got a few veritas planes. I really don’t care for the Norris adjusters. I also think I like the feel of the bevel down style better as it’s cutting. It’s just different somehow. I’ve had the WoodRiver planes for almost a year now and I think my sharpening skills have improved since then so I would like to sharpen everything up and maybe do a video about what I like and don’t like about both. Which style do you prefer? I met Rob at the Woodstock wood show 8-10 years ago. He was nice. Why were you in New Brunswick?
@@garynelles bevel up or down, i dont think it makes a shred of difference when planing wood. i really like the bevel up for two reasons, the cutting angle can be changed easily and the mouth opening can be adjusted easily. but then again, my collection of antique planes cut extremely well too! i grew up in fredericton nb, so we visit family every year. we do a 6-8 week trip with truck and traveltrailer,travelling all over the maritimes