SORRY TO SEE THAT BIG PROBLEM CHRIS, YOU CAN SAND THE OUTER NASTY LAYER OFF T SECOND FLOOR BEAMS AND SUPPORTS AND SEE UNDERNEATH , YOU CAN ALSO CHECK LOCAL LUMBER MILLS FOR REPLACEMENTS , TAKE CARE BROTHER
In your area if you can find a steel fabrication shop they can likely make or cut the exact size you need to replace that rotted wood beam. The other thing you guys may want to consider is bolting some long lengths of 1/4 inch steel plate temporarily to the compromised wood until you can properly replace it. Bob has a great idea of cutting some access holes through the layer above to get a better view of where the water is coming from. Another option to consider is getting a bore scope with a longer cable on it to take a look up there in that inbetween space.
There is actually a really great blacksmith shop (most towns don't have them anymore) only 3 blocks from our building. I'll reach out to the owner on my very next trip.
Chris, I’m not even gonna yell at you this time, but you have to STOP what you’re doing and immediately fully inspect the entire building structure. I’m pretty sure this is one of the first things I suggested that you needed to do besides drying in the roof. Those are two very major issues that are building destroyers. It might even be worth paying someone to do the inspection for you. Keep on Truckin’😎
Yeah before we go for the eventual approach I will call in as many favors and resources as I can. So hard to do on a budget like mine. But one way or another we'll get it sorted. Thanks for being in my corner!
the only thing is that water can travel a long way before if finds a place to enter so it might be really far away. but it will definitely increase our chances of finding it.
Bob has a good idea. Make two heavier laminated beams and run them parallel to the bad beam on each side about 6-8 out depending where you can find something solid. That will carry the weight of the original beam to the sides until you can replace it.
That's going to be a challenging (and expensive) permanent fix. Definitely get a structural engineer to advise you, as these things aren't easy, and pretty complex. You could be replacing the pillars from the ground up here. Yeah, putting a hole up through the roof to identify where it's leaking isn't a terrible idea - poke a stick up there and tape it down so it stays. Problem is, it will identify the area that there's damage, and get you into the general location of said leak, but water travels. Brace yourself for likely stripping the roof off in that area (or a couple spots) and rebuilding the underlayment and such. As for the cross joists that are only rotten part way down. There's some rule of thumb for this based upon percentage of the beam that is damaged. Good news is, you can cut out the bad parts and rip a new insert piece to glue and nail into that as a repair. Last thought. You should have put an old mattress downstairs so when you went through the floor you would buffer the fall. Better yet, a trampoline. And have a camera on it! Telling you, you'ld be a Tic-Toc sensation! Kidding of course, but please bring some wood up there to span the rotting floor. I really don't want you falling through the ceiling brother.
OMG...that yellow sheet! You could buy that from K-Mart in the early 70's. My father bought some of it and put it in a cabinet he made. I'd love to have it, but coming and getting it or shipping it would be impractical. Man, the memories. If I was a little closer, I'd buy it. I'm saving this episode to show that to my wife.
haha, Id save it for you but somebody beat you to it. I'll let you know if I come across another one or if someone comments at least what it was called so you could find it.
by the way right after your comment someone posted the following.... That yellow plastic with the circles can be seen on I Dream Of Genie as you enter Major Nelson’s kitchen.
You could use railroad ties to fabricate new upper and lower saddles and use basement support poles as floor jacks starting on the first floor right above those on the second floor and again on the third floor to hold things up to replace what needs replaced
Yeah the saddles are very angular so they should be no problem to create with a chainsaw, ties have creosote which could be a benefit in this situation.
You’ve amassed a great group of consultants both in person and on the channel. I do believe you will overcome the challenges. I never realized the extent of the water damage. I never noticed that there’s a corner office there too. I pray that the other building provides for you. That would be ideal. That yellow plastic with the circles can be seen on I Dream Of Genie as you enter Major Nelson’s kitchen.
The small GE condenser fan motor you showed is from a very old refrigerator . I’ve replaced them several times years ago. Before you start messing with the sagging rotten beams and moving the support away from the original you better talk to an engineer to make sure the load can be carried wherever you’re putting them. you can’t tell if a beam is rotten by hitting it with your hand. You can sometimes use a pointed screwdriver. Good luck but mark my words you’re asking for trouble and when it goes it’s going to be quick.👍🙏
oh you broke my heart! It wasn't one of those fans behind the steam radiator heaters! Oh well. I'll pull in as much competent help as I can. I like to try to do things on my own but I recognize that I can't fumble my way through everything.
@ you and I think just alike. I always look at something I found and see different things that it would work for or look great in. That’s why I enjoy your videos so much. I don’t like throwing anything away because someone might need it or I could make something out of it. 👍🙏
Boy Chris, that sure makes me scared for you. I worry about you and Bob’s safety working on that 😕. I hope you can temporarily get it fixed to prevent a disaster. It is a shame the old Mattoon plant has so much you could use 🤞that things work out. We believe in you!
Hey, Chris. Hey, Bob. Got no suggestions, recommendations, or advice - just hopes that you both stay safe, and that you continue to share this journey!
I could put music to a lot of these videos. Breathing not an option : YMCA : Village Peale 1975 Crashing Down(This Video): Going Down : The Monkees 1965 : Colpix Records The Elevator Videos : Elevator Operator : Gene Clark(Solo - After The The Byrds) : 1966 ; Columbia records(USA) 1966 :m - CBS(UK) - 1966 the Video Explaining why CWM does not upload many videos(Because he flays Back and forth to Germany? If I remember correctly) : Leaving(On A Jet Plane) : John Denver : RCA Records : 1966
In about 1970, my mother had shutters installed to block off the half wall from the kitchen to the dining room. The windows of the shutters was the exact same orange sheet that you found. We lived in a house in the suburbs, not a mobile home.
Between a structural engineer and professional builder, I bet this sort of repair is common and there is an already existing remedy. Once properly supported, I'm sure it can be fixed.
Chris I've been watching this other TH-cam in out of France where they're restoring a Convent and they had the same problem with the beams what they did was they put a bolt and a metal plate into the beam or a couple metal plates to secure the beam
Chris got lucky he caught this at the last second. I didn't realize how bad the roof is still leaking. I just assumed after that valley was fixed, there were no major leaks left. Any big leaks with those dark wet spots in the roof should be high priority or you will be doing this many many times over.
Yeah this is clear on the west end the weird thing is there are no valleys around it, but water might run from a distance to find a hole, that valley is 300 feet away though.
This is really pretty cheap and simple. Jack up the 2nd floor and replace the bad wood with a plate steel (1/4''?) sandwich or plate steel U shape. Whatever passes code. Same third floor, but also replace the bad part of the vertical beam with steel.
A good way to look at it, you only got the building cheap because of these issues, and you have someone to help you tackle them. I would view it as exciting instead of dreadful at this point. I hope everything works out.
Chris, As a point of clarification, the steel column you pointed out at the end of the video is a wide flange beam or W beam not an I beam which has a much narrower flange. As others have suggested, I think adjustable steel jack posts are the best for temporary bracing and are quite strong. You would need long ones and still should plant them on cribbing to spread the load. They are not inexpensive but you may be able to score some used units.
This was a very helpful tip, Based on this I had the keywords to look up and learned quite a bit that I didn't know about steel beams. Thanks for that! Much appreciated.
I was involved helping restore a three story grist mill with damaged beams. They actually cut a white oak with one of the chain saw attachments to mill a rouge beam. There were three parallel beams. The center one was totally replace while the others were mortised and tendoned and pinned. You might be able to cut the upper beam and mortise and pin it.
White oak is the only wood I believe that’s strong enough to hold it. I don’t think they should be tackling this job with no engineering knowledge. Way too much to lose if it gives way. 🙏👍
On the third floor the whole chunk Abe the vertical column is completely rotten out. The mortising might work if it was completely new beams. The jury is still out on how well proceed. My engineer friend is currently giving it some thought. I'll post as soon as I know something.
You could have a metal fabricator make a bolt on metal saddle that uses long bolts that go through both sides of the plate. There are many building retofitted like this in grand rapids michigan. Have them desing it so that there is a place to put a jack on both sides to lift up the sadle into place.
Glad you've got an engineer on board. Wonder if there are any demolition/salvage companies around the area who would have the right materials? I know there are some in the Winnipeg area that have such beams, but that isn't exactly a viable option. Old bridge building companies with bridge timbers in their storage yards? Other factories/industrial buildings being dismantled?
Hey Kris, hi Bob, Yeah it’s serious but bottom line… You can fix it all you want… Until you locate that leak and get it plugged up and fixed on top it’s just gonna keep on happening so once you get it fixed you Gotta be sure you correct the problem. Sad is that all sounds a leak is a leak . And it’s too darn bad that these people aren’t contacting back and being kind because it’s gonna cost them more to send it to the landfill then have you come and pick up what you need it’s really unfortunate that people can be out this way Sending good vibes guys…many prayers for great blessings with your building Chris…✨🙏✨💖
The wise arse in me suggests deleting all or part of the 3rd floor which gives you more useable material for downstairs and make a nice roof top deck. As bad as that looks it's repairable. Getting it supported from the ground up is a good first step. Bob is right about cutting up to see what's happening. I have a bad feeling about what you'll find but it should all be fixable.
You may have to start on the first floor and build temporary walls on each side of the post, then move to the second floor and build the same directly above the lower ones until you are up to the bad spot. This will carry the load from the roof to the concrete floor. Then you can level and replace what you need to. I am not an expert just someone that has always been interested in these things. Your engineer friend will get you started in the right direction.
Are there any Amish in the area? They could have the milling for making beams and maybe even help with the install. You could crib it up on each side of the posts and reinforce it until you can replace the beam. That might buy you some time until you get the roof done to stop the leak.
I try to look at the positive, that in such a huge building with so many beams and posts that there is only one that is really bad. A few acro props to temporarily keep it from collapsing might do the trick. So wish you could get a crew in there to at least get all the cardboard out.
Chris, i think you should watch Jenna Phipps on youtube. You and bob may get some ideas of how to support that beam. Jenna is up in canada. She bought an abandoned Mid Century Modern home that has a lot of water damage from the roof. Which is similar to what you are dealing with. They had to disassemble their house and rebuild it. Beams were used. To re-support the roof. And now they are rebuilding their house back to original. Maybe some of their issues can help you with yours. Maybe it can also help you make suggestions to your friend who is going to help you.
Get some acro props under the beams and support the floors beneath aswell as your putting weight on them where it was not designed to have if you have to go with timber use wedges to jam it in place.
somebody said you could see it on the intro of the show I dream of jeannie. Cool! Lots of people mentioned. cabinets too. So I guess we have it figured out. neat thing to find.
Hey Chris ….hi Bob, I will be sending you bubble gum, super glue and gorilla tape would be best..🧐 Yesh…I am stating the obvious it’s serious but bottom line… You can fix it all you want… Until you locate that leak and get it plugged up and fixed on top it’s just gonna keep on happening so once you get it fixed you Gotta be sure you correct the problem. Sad is that all sounds a leak is a leak . And it’s too darn bad that these people aren’t contacting back and being kind because it’s gonna cost them more to send it to the landfill then have you come and pick up what you need it’s really unfortunate that people can be this way Sending good vibes guys…many prayers for great blessings with your building Chris…✨🙏✨💖
I would get a bid from a roofing company get a bunch of beds because if something happens you have a warranty on the roof and you don't have to worry about it in the future
Yeah I think we got it I'll be posting more about it soon. I didn't have any handy but the beams we use once we got them set seem to be pretty good. But you are right when leaks are involved steel is much better
we were able to determine that all components work but we still need to figure out some electrical signal stuff. Hopefully this spring we will have it going.
The third floor yeah..can see the joists sagging yikes. could place parallel emergency supports in while removing the rotten beams and uprights...or, would it be Possible to reengineer the 2nd floor (area with the soft joist) to open it up making that section open to the 3rd floor Gut that section? Basically turning the back area into an open atrium.
There are people on TH-cam that repair old barns that are built in a similar fashion. Maybe you could reach out and try and set up a collaboration with them and save yourself some money. May be worth a shot.
Simple temporary walls on both sides would help in the meantime. This would raise the roof and probably the roof leak problem Steel i beam would be harder to get in and raise. I guarantee your Anish saw mill could help getting all the work done. This is similar build of a barn.
Yeah I was wondering about the mills but I worried that they wouldn't be kiln dried. We still have a few months to figure it out. I'll post the last bit of content about the countermeasures we did very soon.
Get as much weight as you can off that area ASAP. Do you have access to old telephone or light poles?? They're "cheap" here if you can them. It depends on the length. If they're too short for the telephone/electric company. You will want to replace them but it might buy you some time. I'd get that whole area cleaned up so it can dry out. Collecting cardboard boxes will not pay for the repairs.
To save yourself 36 dollars a pain why not take the top pains ( if they are chicken wire) out of the 2 interior doors and use them on the exterior doors and put plain glass on the tops of interior doors It’s just a suggestion thanks for sharing your journey with use😊
We are leaning toward heavy wide steel beams. One about 16 feet long for the vertical, and at least one 10 foot horizontal on third floor and perhaps also on second floor, the jury is still out.
I kind of wonder why you didn't address this in the beginning. Surely you paid to have a building inspector, or you should have before putting any money down for this place. In some city's it is required by law, that a building inspection be performed. Unless it is only meant for dwellings. On the other hand maybe this isn't all that critical,....everything is fundementally all attached together. If failure of the structure was likely to occur sooner than later, it would have been helpful to know right away. When I bought my house,....built around 1905 to 1910, in 1993, I had to have it inspected before the sale could be completed. A back wall in the basement, made of block and brick was caving in, and I had to, by law,.....address it as soon as possible. The wall was caving inward into the basement,...and it was dislodging an electrical fuse and circuit box terminal.
I know this is more work but can’t your chamber of commerce call Matoons chamber for commerce and work something out with the owner on your behalf. I mean one to save another. The owner may be more inclined to listen. What does the roof look like right above that post?? Get some roofing tar and hit all the spot where you have leaks until you can legit fix it.
SORRY TO SEE THAT BIG PROBLEM CHRIS, YOU CAN SAND THE OUTER NASTY LAYER OFF T SECOND FLOOR BEAMS AND SUPPORTS AND SEE UNDERNEATH , YOU CAN ALSO CHECK LOCAL LUMBER MILLS FOR REPLACEMENTS , TAKE CARE BROTHER
Yeah, we were thinking the amish sawmills if we go wood instead of steel beams. the jury is still out.
In your area if you can find a steel fabrication shop they can likely make or cut the exact size you need to replace that rotted wood beam. The other thing you guys may want to consider is bolting some long lengths of 1/4 inch steel plate temporarily to the compromised wood until you can properly replace it. Bob has a great idea of cutting some access holes through the layer above to get a better view of where the water is coming from. Another option to consider is getting a bore scope with a longer cable on it to take a look up there in that inbetween space.
There is actually a really great blacksmith shop (most towns don't have them anymore) only 3 blocks from our building. I'll reach out to the owner on my very next trip.
Chris, I’m not even gonna yell at you this time, but you have to STOP what you’re doing and immediately fully inspect the entire building structure. I’m pretty sure this is one of the first things I suggested that you needed to do besides drying in the roof. Those are two very major issues that are building destroyers. It might even be worth paying someone to do the inspection for you. Keep on Truckin’😎
Yeah before we go for the eventual approach I will call in as many favors and resources as I can. So hard to do on a budget like mine. But one way or another we'll get it sorted. Thanks for being in my corner!
Definately a priority, those beams. Urgent first, everything else after. Thanks for the video you two.
build a temp supporting walls asap to stableize but u realy should start from the first floor to transfer the load all the way to the ground
That is a very good idea to cut a hole to see daylight to find where the leak is coming from and there it will solve everything😊
the only thing is that water can travel a long way before if finds a place to enter so it might be really far away. but it will definitely increase our chances of finding it.
Bob has a good idea. Make two heavier laminated beams and run them parallel to the bad beam on each side about 6-8 out depending where you can find something solid. That will carry the weight of the original beam to the sides until you can replace it.
That's going to be a challenging (and expensive) permanent fix. Definitely get a structural engineer to advise you, as these things aren't easy, and pretty complex. You could be replacing the pillars from the ground up here.
Yeah, putting a hole up through the roof to identify where it's leaking isn't a terrible idea - poke a stick up there and tape it down so it stays. Problem is, it will identify the area that there's damage, and get you into the general location of said leak, but water travels. Brace yourself for likely stripping the roof off in that area (or a couple spots) and rebuilding the underlayment and such.
As for the cross joists that are only rotten part way down. There's some rule of thumb for this based upon percentage of the beam that is damaged. Good news is, you can cut out the bad parts and rip a new insert piece to glue and nail into that as a repair.
Last thought. You should have put an old mattress downstairs so when you went through the floor you would buffer the fall. Better yet, a trampoline. And have a camera on it! Telling you, you'ld be a Tic-Toc sensation! Kidding of course, but please bring some wood up there to span the rotting floor. I really don't want you falling through the ceiling brother.
Thanks as always for the practical wisdom and tips OldTop!
I'm looking forward to seeing the progress moving ahead. Sorry that you've had a few setbacks but with your trusty sidekick Bob, you've got this!
OMG...that yellow sheet! You could buy that from K-Mart in the early 70's. My father bought some of it and put it in a cabinet he made. I'd love to have it, but coming and getting it or shipping it would be impractical. Man, the memories. If I was a little closer, I'd buy it. I'm saving this episode to show that to my wife.
haha, Id save it for you but somebody beat you to it. I'll let you know if I come across another one or if someone comments at least what it was called so you could find it.
by the way right after your comment someone posted the following.... That yellow plastic with the circles can be seen on I Dream Of Genie as you enter Major Nelson’s kitchen.
Nice tunes man.
Thanks they add a bit to the Timelapse segments.
You could use railroad ties to fabricate new upper and lower saddles and use basement support poles as floor jacks starting on the first floor right above those on the second floor and again on the third floor to hold things up to replace what needs replaced
Yeah the saddles are very angular so they should be no problem to create with a chainsaw, ties have creosote which could be a benefit in this situation.
You’ve amassed a great group of consultants both in person and on the channel. I do believe you will overcome the challenges. I never realized the extent of the water damage. I never noticed that there’s a corner office there too. I pray that the other building provides for you. That would be ideal. That yellow plastic with the circles can be seen on I Dream Of Genie as you enter Major Nelson’s kitchen.
that is so random and cool that you recognized that from the show. Thanks!
Man Bob is a life saver !!
You're telling ME!
The small GE condenser fan motor you showed is from a very old refrigerator . I’ve replaced them several times years ago. Before you start messing with the sagging rotten beams and moving the support away from the original you better talk to an engineer to make sure the load can be carried wherever you’re putting them. you can’t tell if a beam is rotten by hitting it with your hand. You can sometimes use a pointed screwdriver. Good luck but mark my words you’re asking for trouble and when it goes it’s going to be quick.👍🙏
oh you broke my heart! It wasn't one of those fans behind the steam radiator heaters! Oh well. I'll pull in as much competent help as I can. I like to try to do things on my own but I recognize that I can't fumble my way through everything.
@ you and I think just alike. I always look at something I found and see different things that it would work for or look great in. That’s why I enjoy your videos so much. I don’t like throwing anything away because someone might need it or I could make something out of it. 👍🙏
Boy Chris, that sure makes me scared for you. I worry about you and Bob’s safety working on that 😕. I hope you can temporarily get it fixed to prevent a disaster. It is a shame the old Mattoon plant has so much you could use 🤞that things work out. We believe in you!
Spoiler Alert! We are still alive😂 Bob
@ thank goodness!!
Hey, Chris. Hey, Bob. Got no suggestions, recommendations, or advice - just hopes that you both stay safe, and that you continue to share this journey!
Thanks Kevin. You are the best!
Put a CD of your songs on your website for merch to get some funds in for your emergencies.
I could put music to a lot of these videos.
Breathing not an option : YMCA : Village Peale 1975
Crashing Down(This Video): Going Down : The Monkees 1965 : Colpix Records
The Elevator Videos : Elevator Operator : Gene Clark(Solo - After The The Byrds) : 1966 ; Columbia records(USA) 1966 :m - CBS(UK) - 1966
the Video Explaining why CWM does not upload many videos(Because he flays Back and forth to Germany? If I remember correctly) : Leaving(On A Jet Plane) : John Denver : RCA Records : 1966
Good idea, when I get a collection I'll likely do that!
Good ones! haha.
Screw jacks on all levels. Cut out replace. It really isn't as bad as it looks. And yes, I've done it myself. 👍✌️❤️
That is what I am hoping.
@coldwarmercantile
Bless you Chris. having watched your next video I see you've sured it up nicely. Peace and love brother as always 👍 ✌️ ♥️
Definitely a Big project you have on your hands
Glad to see you got help
Get a fan on that wet area!
Will do! thanks for the tip.
In about 1970, my mother had shutters installed to block off the half wall from the kitchen to the dining room. The windows of the shutters was the exact same orange sheet that you found. We lived in a house in the suburbs, not a mobile home.
That dates it then!
OMG I love the original song!!
Thanks! it's made by AI. But I hope to post lots more moving forward.
This video was super interesting to me. I can't wait to see the stop-gap fix.
Between a structural engineer and professional builder, I bet this sort of repair is common and there is an already existing remedy. Once properly supported, I'm sure it can be fixed.
Chris I've been watching this other TH-cam in out of France where they're restoring a Convent and they had the same problem with the beams what they did was they put a bolt and a metal plate into the beam or a couple metal plates to secure the beam
The Pethricks!
I have watched them as well. I wish we had their budget. Lol Bob
@@bobrobert9413 they have fund raisers for certain projects. They got an organ and rebuilt it and sold art prints to pay for it. It worked for them.
I wish I had that many subscribers! haha, maybe some day.
The yellow plastic circular sheet used to be a mid century room divider. I had blue ones just like it! Awesome find!
Yeah it seemed really familiar but I couldn't place where I had seen them back in the day.
Chris got lucky he caught this at the last second. I didn't realize how bad the roof is still leaking. I just assumed after that valley was fixed, there were no major leaks left. Any big leaks with those dark wet spots in the roof should be high priority or you will be doing this many many times over.
Yeah this is clear on the west end the weird thing is there are no valleys around it, but water might run from a distance to find a hole, that valley is 300 feet away though.
This is really pretty cheap and simple. Jack up the 2nd floor and replace the bad wood with a plate steel (1/4''?) sandwich or plate steel U shape. Whatever passes code. Same third floor, but also replace the bad part of the vertical beam with steel.
Yeah, I think both actually. At the moment it is looking like we are going to go the steel direction.
A good way to look at it, you only got the building cheap because of these issues, and you have someone to help you tackle them. I would view it as exciting instead of dreadful at this point. I hope everything works out.
Thanks man. Yeah it kind of hits me in waves. Good thing is that I am usually an optimist so it quickly passes.
Chris, As a point of clarification, the steel column you pointed out at the end of the video is a wide flange beam or W beam not an I beam which has a much narrower flange.
As others have suggested, I think adjustable steel jack posts are the best for temporary bracing and are quite strong. You would need long ones and still should plant them on cribbing to spread the load. They are not inexpensive but you may be able to score some used units.
This was a very helpful tip, Based on this I had the keywords to look up and learned quite a bit that I didn't know about steel beams. Thanks for that! Much appreciated.
I was involved helping restore a three story grist mill with damaged beams. They actually cut a white oak with one of the chain saw attachments to mill a rouge beam. There were three parallel beams. The center one was totally replace while the others were mortised and tendoned and pinned. You might be able to cut the upper beam and mortise and pin it.
White oak is the only wood I believe that’s strong enough to hold it. I don’t think they should be tackling this job with no engineering knowledge. Way too much to lose if it gives way. 🙏👍
On the third floor the whole chunk Abe the vertical column is completely rotten out. The mortising might work if it was completely new beams. The jury is still out on how well proceed. My engineer friend is currently giving it some thought. I'll post as soon as I know something.
Amish have builders to they can help fix as well. You know the beams are fixable. I have seen it done on my Cheatue channels.
I feel for you about the roof leaking. It's always bad before you even know you have a problem. Good luck with it. ❤️👍🇺🇲
So true! hopefully this is the year to get it sorted.!
You could have a metal fabricator make a bolt on metal saddle that uses long bolts that go through both sides of the plate. There are many building retofitted like this in grand rapids michigan. Have them desing it so that there is a place to put a jack on both sides to lift up the sadle into place.
Yes there is a blacksmiths shop that could do this 3 blocks away from the building.
Glad you've got an engineer on board. Wonder if there are any demolition/salvage companies around the area who would have the right materials? I know there are some in the Winnipeg area that have such beams, but that isn't exactly a viable option. Old bridge building companies with bridge timbers in their storage yards? Other factories/industrial buildings being dismantled?
Ive been hearing of a few places/options. I am sure if I get creative well get it sorted.
Hey Kris, hi Bob,
Yeah it’s serious but bottom line… You can fix it all you want… Until you locate that leak and get it plugged up and fixed on top it’s just gonna keep on happening so once you get it fixed you Gotta be sure you correct the problem. Sad is that all sounds a leak is a leak .
And it’s too darn bad that these people aren’t contacting back and being kind because it’s gonna cost them more to send it to the landfill then have you come and pick up what you need it’s really unfortunate that people can be out this way
Sending good vibes guys…many prayers for great blessings with your building Chris…✨🙏✨💖
Hey back at you. Bob
Thanks miss Sharlette. and thanks for the good vibes!!
Once the demolition of the other factory starts. The salvage rights most likely will belong to the demolition company. Love the Duct Tape Dreams song.
Great tip. I am going to stay on top of it. The new owner and I have some mutual friends so that is good for maintaining contact.
The wise arse in me suggests deleting all or part of the 3rd floor which gives you more useable material for downstairs and make a nice roof top deck.
As bad as that looks it's repairable. Getting it supported from the ground up is a good first step. Bob is right about cutting up to see what's happening. I have a bad feeling about what you'll find but it should all be fixable.
Removing portions of floor and doing open concept is not off the table.
Fingers and toes are crossed that you can get the beams and posts to repair your building.
Thanks Aaron. One way or another, kicking and screaming well bring it back in line!
You may have to start on the first floor and build temporary walls on each side of the post, then move to the second floor and build the same directly above the lower ones until you are up to the bad spot. This will carry the load from the roof to the concrete floor. Then you can level and replace what you need to. I am not an expert just someone that has always been interested in these things. Your engineer friend will get you started in the right direction.
Yeah that is kind of the direction we are leaning.
That glass you are handling is called bottle amber or rondel breaks easy and will cut you severely was a glazer for 45 yrs Handel with care
I am wondering if it was imitation because it was flexible plastic. Cool to have the name of the look to associate with it. Thanks!
Are there any Amish in the area? They could have the milling for making beams and maybe even help with the install. You could crib it up on each side of the posts and reinforce it until you can replace the beam. That might buy you some time until you get the roof done to stop the leak.
Yeah there is one 30 minutes away and that is on our short list of possible directions to go with it.
You need some tall floor Jack's crank them up to beam. It will at least stabilize it. Get on Market place looks for used floor jacks.
I try to look at the positive, that in such a huge building with so many beams and posts that there is only one that is really bad. A few acro props to temporarily keep it from collapsing might do the trick. So wish you could get a crew in there to at least get all the cardboard out.
Thats a really great point. It could be much worse. Cardboard definitely needs to go along will all the other stuff.
Chris, i think you should watch Jenna Phipps on youtube. You and bob may get some ideas of how to support that beam. Jenna is up in canada. She bought an abandoned Mid Century Modern home that has a lot of water damage from the roof. Which is similar to what you are dealing with. They had to disassemble their house and rebuild it. Beams were used. To re-support the roof. And now they are rebuilding their house back to original. Maybe some of their issues can help you with yours. Maybe it can also help you make suggestions to your friend who is going to help you.
I looked her up and watched a bit. Nice to see other similar channels. Though mine is much less polished. Thanks for the tip and support!
The song about the beam was awesome… you rock!!😊
Thanks for the comment and support!
Get some acro props under the beams and support the floors beneath aswell as your putting weight on them where it was not designed to have if you have to go with timber use wedges to jam it in place.
Acro Props. Just looked that up, thanks for the keyword. Cheers.
There were used in trailers and homes for cabinets
somebody said you could see it on the intro of the show I dream of jeannie. Cool! Lots of people mentioned. cabinets too. So I guess we have it figured out. neat thing to find.
Hey Chris ….hi Bob,
I will be sending you bubble gum, super glue and gorilla tape would be best..🧐
Yesh…I am stating the obvious
it’s serious but bottom line… You can fix it all you want… Until you locate that leak and get it plugged up and fixed on top it’s just gonna keep on happening so once you get it fixed you Gotta be sure you correct the problem. Sad is that all sounds a leak is a leak .
And it’s too darn bad that these people aren’t contacting back and being kind because it’s gonna cost them more to send it to the landfill then have you come and pick up what you need it’s really unfortunate that people can be this way
Sending good vibes guys…many prayers for great blessings with your building Chris…✨🙏✨💖
I would get a bid from a roofing company get a bunch of beds because if something happens you have a warranty on the roof and you don't have to worry about it in the future
yeah, its just the matter of cost!
Chris did you try a wood mill? Or do you have Amish in the area. They usually have Lumber Yards.
we do. there is an amish mill 30 minutes away. I just worried that the material wouldn't be kiln dried.
Get some screw jacks
get you a couple of house jacks those will handle the load
Yeah I think we got it I'll be posting more about it soon. I didn't have any handy but the beams we use once we got them set seem to be pretty good. But you are right when leaks are involved steel is much better
How tall are those ceilings? Maybe you could double up a couple 6 X 6 treated beams.
they are about 11.5 - 12 feet I can't exactly recall. Yeah we can make beams or use steel the jury is still out.
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In this video you keep going up to 3rd floor to clean the rotten wood, what is the status of the elevator did that finally get fixed to use.
we were able to determine that all components work but we still need to figure out some electrical signal stuff. Hopefully this spring we will have it going.
The third floor yeah..can see the joists sagging yikes.
could place parallel emergency supports in while removing the rotten beams and uprights...or, would it be Possible to reengineer the 2nd floor (area with the soft joist) to open it up making that section open to the 3rd floor Gut that section? Basically turning the back area into an open atrium.
yeah, I will be posting part 3 soon, we have it sorted til the spring when we have to make the hard decisions.
There are people on TH-cam that repair old barns that are built in a similar fashion. Maybe you could reach out and try and set up a collaboration with them and save yourself some money. May be worth a shot.
I would LOVE That, but I have reached out to several TH-cam channels in the past and they never seem to respond. Maybe I am doing something wrong?
I like your AI songs.
Thanks they are fun for the Timelapse segments.
Sorry about the double message there, not sure why it happened, weird😂 I was editing my message,so strange 🤓
Simple temporary walls on both sides would help in the meantime. This would raise the roof and probably the roof leak problem
Steel i beam would be harder to get in and raise.
I guarantee your Anish saw mill could help getting all the work done. This is similar build of a barn.
Yeah I was wondering about the mills but I worried that they wouldn't be kiln dried. We still have a few months to figure it out. I'll post the last bit of content about the countermeasures we did very soon.
Get as much weight as you can off that area ASAP. Do you have access to old telephone or light poles?? They're "cheap" here if you can them. It depends on the length. If they're too short for the telephone/electric company. You will want to replace them but it might buy you some time. I'd get that whole area cleaned up so it can dry out. Collecting cardboard boxes will not pay for the repairs.
It's all off at the moment. Will be posting more about that very soon.
have your engineer friend look at the basement.
If I had one. No basement in the building.
To save yourself 36 dollars a pain why not take the top pains ( if they are chicken wire) out of the 2 interior doors and use them on the exterior doors and put plain glass on the tops of interior doors
It’s just a suggestion thanks for sharing your journey with use😊
oh my gosh, I am not currently at the building you have me racking my brain what is on the interior doors. LOL. Cheers.
Whats the worst that could happen? Call in the professionals for this one. It is beyond your capabilities. Not worth it.
What kind of beams are you looking for ? Structural beams or something else?
We are leaning toward heavy wide steel beams. One about 16 feet long for the vertical, and at least one 10 foot horizontal on third floor and perhaps also on second floor, the jury is still out.
First comment!!!
Quick Draw. Awesome!
contact an Amish sawmill they can cut new ones
Yeah, the nearest one is only 30 minutes away.
I kind of wonder why you didn't address this in the beginning. Surely you paid to have a building inspector, or you should have before putting any money down for this place. In some city's it is required by law, that a building inspection be performed. Unless it is only meant for dwellings. On the other hand maybe this isn't all that critical,....everything is fundementally all attached together. If failure of the structure was likely to occur sooner than later, it would have been helpful to know right away.
When I bought my house,....built around 1905 to 1910, in 1993, I had to have it inspected before the sale could be completed. A back wall in the basement, made of block and brick was caving in, and I had to, by law,.....address it as soon as possible. The wall was caving inward into the basement,...and it was dislodging an electrical fuse and circuit box terminal.
this was not visible, the beam rotted out from the inside, it was very rapid onset with the sagging, a last minute save.
I know this is more work but can’t your chamber of commerce call Matoons chamber for commerce and work something out with the owner on your behalf. I mean one to save another. The owner may be more inclined to listen.
What does the roof look like right above that post?? Get some roofing tar and hit all the spot where you have leaks until you can legit fix it.
We have met with the new owner of Matoon, we have not been able to work anything out yet. Fingers crossed, still in the works. Bob
Yeah it is now in private hands again. So I'll definitely keep you posted if any news comes up.