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Are you excited for Q in Picard season 2? What do you think of this theory about Picard, Q and The Borg? Let's talk about it below! Please hit the like button and check our new Memberships! LIMITED run of Picard Winery t-shirt here >> mixedtees.com/picardwines 20% off code: THEPOPCAST
After season 1 I'm shocked anyone is watching season 2.
I do not understand the hate on Picard Season One. I loved this series, and was pleased that it did not Mary Sue the characters like Discovery reboot did. Picard had a solid plot, great new characters, and brought back Number One and Dianna with more than just a quickie cameo. Seven of Nine was fun to see again, and the villains were complex and not one dimensional.
No beause it's yet again some retconning of Star Trek. Yeah sure, Q cool. But to redo history all over again and completely destroy the franchise? Nah. I'd rather remember Trek for what it was, not the dissapointing thing it's become.
I hope Wesley gets revisited, remember, the Traveler hinted at something about him.
@@jonathanbrooks1906 It's because people like parroting their favorite click bait youtube channels.
I am 62 years old now and I have watched every Star Trek ever made. I can't believe all the years that have gone by, and I'm still here looking forward to more episodes in the series. For me the saga never ends. I love Star Trek.
Same. I'm thankful new content is still being made.
I'll be 70 soon and never tire of Star Trek lore.
Wow. That is good.
Now please tell me, which Trek series is the best.
I am also in my 60's ......ditto
Same here you just never know what`s coming next.
The Continuum didn't think you had it in you, Jean-Luc. But I knew you did for another season
Hahahahaha......or 2.
its like weekend at Bernie's they're propping up the robotic corpse of picard and telling us he's alive lol... yeah. i'm def out. star trek is dead... lower decks is a perfect example .. its all garbage these days.
Picard is just a nice place for Q to hang his hat.
" Well, we'll just have to watch our P's and Q's..........eh Jean - Luc !!".
Q making a joke about their relationship.
I love the q back 😍
John de Lancie is one hell of an actor and artist. There is literally no one else that could portray Q. His performance along with the TNG story arc, it's brilliant, and Picard season 2 was just another reason why. He's one of the most underrated actors out there.
"If you can't get enough of Q!" - That's me!
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
It's fascinating to me that the only reason we have *_Q_* in Star Trek at all is because the producers for the first TNG episode wanted a longer running show,.. and so Gene Roddenberry created his version of God and shoehorned him into the Show!?!?! Think of what it would mean to Star Trek today if *_Q_* had never happened in the first place at all!?!
@@davidhunt7427 think what would happen to humanity of God didn't exist from the beginning
@@AAvfx God doesn't exist. Humanity made him up. The one from the bible, anyway. He really didn't like humans. He kept trying to wipe them out because they didn't kiss his @$$ properly. Q on the other hand... I wish he really existed. He'd make a much more likable God. I'd worship him. I'd be his friend.
@@FriedSynapse sounds like you know the real God. So, I'd like to hear more
Something else to keep in mind: If the Federation never deals with the Borg, then neither do the Romulans. IIRC, they had some research on Borg technology. That changes the dynamic of the Tal'Shiar and its power base.
"I'm not talking about the puppyyy". Best line ever on Star Trek.
makes me laugh every time
Does not sound like it works
Janeway seem upset as well... Women.. Their always in competition with other Women...Even she show jealousy that Q was attacked to her. So she come a running..
That's the actress that played Alexander's mom / Worf's squeeze on TNG. No mistaking that voice.
@@DelDuio Really? Had no idea.
If this is not going to be the story, I will slap Kurtzman for not hiring you. As always, excelent video.
It’s true, so many fans have better ideas and stories than “show runners”
Slap him anyway
I doubt it Kluts-boy hates star trek and has done more to kill this franchise.
Wait, I thought Kurtzman left the show. Please tell me that hack isn't coming back. Edit: Oh thank God. He's only an executive producer and not -ruining- running the writers' room.
This theory is 100x better than what these new clowns can come up with.
The actual story will probably revolve about ol' "J.L." crossing half the galaxy with Q to get that Romulan Security lady some larger sunglasses lol
Fascinating theory.
The Borg encounter didn't start with Q, Who?. You have to go back to 1st season episode of TNG called "The Neutral Zone" (1988). Remember the encounter with the Romulans whose outposts like the Federation's were destroyed by "some force scooped the machine elements off the surface" as Worf reported. This was the first encounter with the Borg although no one knew it at that time. Q undoing Q, Who's encounter may or may not reverse all of the Borg's encounter with the Federation.
Agreed. Borg would sooner or later made contact with the Federation. All Q did was to make the inevitable happen faster and possibly give Federation a fighting chance as he knew Enterprise would prevail one way or another and report back to the Starfleet Command.
Yep. But I doubt the CBS writers know or care
And there's all the stuff in Voyager that messes with the timeline. The Tombaugh was apparently assimilated in about 2362, 2 years before the neutral zone, and 3 years before Q Who.
There's also the Hansens and their ill-advised family field trip.
Your forgetting about the after effects of star trek first contact
I guess Q could have given Voyager an easy out, avoiding the Borg, if he stabilized the worm hole they found in the episode False Profits. Although the Borg knew about the Federation in episode The Neutral Zone, I think the only reason they went after the Federation was because they saw a Federation ship in Q Who that seemed to travel at unbelievable speeds when Q sent them to and from the Delta quadrant. Until that moment they probably thought the Federation wasn't worth the effort.
Q realizes that Picard needs to be shown how bad things really could have been. Q gave humanity a fighting chance and none of the characters have ever realized that. 11,000 at Wolf 359 is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of all the various species. Andorian, Human, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Vulcan. Not to mention how many species would be completely wiped out before ever being approached by the Federation. I realized all this when TNG S1 E1 originally aired. That's why I knew Q would be in the TNG finale. I'm just surprised it's taken so long for story to see the next chapter. There is still at least one more chapter to be told after this because the final chapter has to be centered around The Next Generation of the Federation (aka Picard's children or possibly his chosen successor) and the next Q emissary to humanity since by then the John De Lancy Q character will be gone even if John himself is still alive. I mean it only makes sense that one day we are finally told that the origin of the Q is directly linked to humanity since the Q are humanity's end goal. The Q are what the whole of humanity will eventually evolve into. As long as humanity isn't wiped out first anyway. Why else would the Q have any interest in such a lower life form. Hell John D's Q is probably Picard's closest genetic ancestor among the Q. I'm surprised this hasn't been common knowledge among the Star Trek community since the end of TNG.
Q was one of the best character's in the next generation he brought humour and made the story interesting to watch and the way i see it humanity isn't on trail it's picard. You can't based all of humanity by one man on his action's and decision
The only way Q could fix NuTrek is if he went "Oh no, this timeline isn't right at all. And you in an android body? I think it's time for a retcon!" and snap Picard Season 1 and all of Discovery out of existence.
What a nice thought. However, Kurtzman is too narc... self-absorbed to consider that their work could have major flaws that needed fixing.
I mean, it makes sense but come on that's that exact plot of the episode "Tapestry"... one of my faves, but they can't make two seasons out of the premise of Q teaching Picard that his ugly past shaped who he is (again).
Maybe whatever Q has been preparing humanity for is finally coming up, and some other force is trying to undo his efforts by preventing "Q Who". That would be cool if the Q are more fallible, with a real foe, so we can't just expect him to "fix it all" at the end. Maybe all he was able to do was prevent Picard+crew from forgetting their original lives when the timeline changed. And we already know that Guinan will notice that it changed.
This. During Q Who Picard already understood the necessity of meeting the Borg. And Tapestry thought that sometimes you need the hard lessons and experiences to grow and thrive. He doesn't need a repeat lesson. But with these writers anything (bad) can happen. Your theory would make a lot more sense. It wouldn't be surprising if Kurtzman did what he does - get "inspiration" from already existing material; Tapestry, Yesterday's Enterprise and Q Who are fantastic episodes and good targets for gaining "inspiration".
This is a good idea. I like this.
My thoughts exactly!
Picard the Prophet. Is that what your saying.
I was thinking exactly the same. While it would do for a great story and possibilities, it is just a recycled story/lesson. Therefor i hope they come up with something new here, also for the sake of the series. But honestly i don't have a lot of faith in that...
I hope it never ends! I am 64 years old and have watch Star Trek from the beginning! It is wonderful to say the least!
I am so very happy that Q will be part of season 2 and 3. Can't wait for the adventure to begin.
I've always felt like Q needed his own movie to explain things. Two season of Picard to explain it is probably better. I'm definitely excited for what ever happens.
They need a series in trek called Q.
Where they show how and what the Q were and how they transformed into what they are. Also, the amazing journey/discoveries of all the Q's when they first became omnipotent and powerful. There would be a never ending amount of new and amazing trek content from this
You'd expect a guy who thinks that "whatever" is two words to be excited about ST Picard.
@@elvinhayes4356 spell check?
@@elvinhayes4356 “Whatever” is more common, but “what ever” is also used to underscore the emphatic nature of “ever” (as in “What ever do you mean?” or “What ever could have happened?”). In adjectival uses, however, only the one-word form is used: Take whatever books you need.”
You'd expect someone whose sole gripe on a comment is a criticism on their grammar usage to just keep scrolling, but, whatever.
A number of mistakes here: the Henson’s explored the Borg way….waaaay before the Enterprise was flung in front of the cube. (2364 farepoint, 2355 hansens Expedition with the „raven“)
So Annika would have been assimilated nonetheless. Meaning the Borg will know of humanity nonetheless.
And another point: if voyager never survives in the delta quadrant until after Skorpion I and II the Undine aka species 8427 will eradicate the borg entirely.
I see a lot of „timey….wimey….wobbely“ Paradoxons on the wall here 😂
And I think it goes even further. If the events of "Q Who" never happened, the Borg have no reason to search for Earth, so that "Best of Both Worlds" never happens either. But at the same time, it also puts "First Contact" to rest, because the Borg don't become aware of humanity so quickly - and without the crew of the Enterprise travelling into the past, the events of 2063 might not happen either, or might happen differently (which is where "In a Mirror darkly" drew its potential from). Therefore it would irrevocably change the entire canon from 2063 onwards - which would also explain why a courtroom from World War 3 or the Eugenics Wars appears in the trailer as the setting of Picard's changed present. In sum: the entire canon in its entirety would have been irrevocably changed - for both the Prime and Kelvin timelines.
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. So his theories don't add up at all. Especially if you account for how Sisko becomes the station commander after his battle at Wolf 359. Right?
Star Trek Picard doesn’t give a crap about beloved past canon. They just want their immortal flawless characters fixing everything with cold love and mindless murder.
If you want to go even further, Star Trek Legacy makes clear that V-ger back in Kirk’s time was the progenitor of the Borg. There’s just so many problems.
Yes there is a big mess here and everyone here is forgetting one thing,if Annika (7of 9) & her parents in countered the borg before Picard,then what about Archer & Enterprise? They in countered,fought and beat the Borg 2-3hundred years before Picard or the Hanson's.
You forget First Contact. The Borg went back in time to earth during first Contact. They sent a msg to the borg.
No BORG also means no USS Defiant. That ship was built to fight the BORG. It also possibly changes Sisko's entire career path since he was one of a few survivors of Wolf 359.
Sisko would always have ended up where he was needed by the prophets. He was created by them for a purpose. You're right about the Defiant though. I don't think the Federation would have gone to war with the Dominion if they still had the same mindset as they did pre borg. They would have certainly stopped using the wormhole when asked and may have even become allies with the Dominion. Remember, Starfleet invaded Dominion space without permission and when asked to leave, sent one of Starfleet's most powerful ships as a show of force. Pre borg, I think they would have probably left well alone.
i suspect q will make him see the upside of locutus... if he had never met the borg, then they could never have been defeated.... it may have cost 11k lives initially, just think how many lives were given their freedom and how many live were not taken in the future...
@Edwin Arnold Whoops! No wonder when I showed up there was no one from either side. :lol:
No Borg also would mean Ben Sisko would not have seen his wife killed and might not have ended up in command of DS9 and The USS Voyager might not have able to stop there before being lost in the Badlands and ending up in the Delta Quadrant.
@@suralos So if DS9 had had a different commander, they wouldn't have let Voyager stop there?
Actually the Borg where already in Federation Space prior to Wolf 359, according to the apocrypha, they where the mysterious hand that was interfering in both Federation and Romulan outposts and assets along he neutral zone leading to the two encountering each other after 47 years of the latter's absence.(TNG: the Neutral Zone) It's the reason that Warf uses almost exactly the same words when he see's the missing outpost in that episode, the planet in the J25 sector and the missing colony prior to wolf 359. "It's as if some great force reached from the sky and scooped the outpost/colony off the face of the planet" all Q did was tip Picard off that they where there. otherwise the Enterprise would have went in completely blind and Starfleet wouldn't have had a year to start building combat ships before it came on to poke the federation into revealing the best assets it has to defend it's capital world as is their strategy. removing First contact with the Borg from the equation would do nothing but put Starfleet back a year. you also did not account for the absolute slaughterfest that the Dominion war would have been had Q not tipped the federation off to start with and given them over five years head start on building up their combat assets in prelude to the war they where about to start.
As is mentioned, the Hansons where already studying the Borg prior to FC j25,
Given this was Q's demonstration as to how ill prepared Starfleet/Federation/Humanity was to the degree they can't even survive first contact with it (eg> first contact with the Dominion) I highly doubt Q would do that, more over, it helped provide evidence to the Trial of Humanity. Picard bitched he did not need 18 of his crew to die to teach him the lesson, (clearly did he challenged Q provoking this encounter) Wolf 359 added more deaths to the lesson and did they learn? hell no, there they are three years later dickin about in the gamma quadrant where they where completely BTFO'ed by the Dominion. Clearly those 18 died for nothing. you also have the fallout of Picard ordering his crew to commit Genocide by turning Hue of Borg into a bomb to wipe out the Borg (isolated to one cube later found by Lure) adding more weight to the evidence against Humanity and later hearing his own orders echoed back by his CO before she promptly tells him i don't trust you to carry out your own order to wipe out the Borg so i'm replacing you with Jellico and sending you off to get killed off by your mission with the Cardassians for allowing your Federation ideals to get in the way of what needs to be done. (TNG: Chain of Command)
But the writers are idiots and know less about trek than I do. Fan fiction writers know more than that lot so it wouldn't surprise me if they did follow this plot thread so your not without merit. if you ignore the cannon, you can do anything.
I'm not an Uber fan, I just watched it THAT many times as there was F all else on i know the episodes inside and out. It's the same with Star Gate, even my grandmother mentioned i can identify any episode with only a few seconds of screen time or dialogue. it got so bad i can identify even the episode name I've seen the title card that often. i also have Asperger's so don't give a crap about spelling or grammer or anything else. your arguments are lost on me.
My Dad and I watched The Next Generation together in The 90’s , I only Wish he were here now To watch Picard , he passed away in February 2020 😔 Here’s To ya Dad , Engage !
If only someone could transport me to a world where Star Trek was going to be on CBS TV and not in some paywall universe I refuse to go to. Oh well, humanity will survive.
I know. $5 a month is such a burden for most people with the time to enjoy Star Trek these days. It's as is we just expect these shows to pay for themselves...
@@Sinleqeunnini Some are already paying more than that to chase TV shows around. Back in the days of free TV paid by ads on the TV itself, we watched much more TV. So, $5, $12, price for added devices and such. CBS makes one show and I am supposed to watch the whole paywall network for that one show. I watched all the Star Trek Series of shows on TV the first time and the reruns. I will just write books and buy some books. This is about entertainment! I am not being entertained by all this hoop jumping that producers ask me to do for them. Pay me to jump!!!!!
They already tried putting Discovery on broadcast television. Being as how the new Star Trek shows are so unbelievably awful, nobody watched. Discovery was beaten in the ratings by re-runs of "Match Game" from the 1970s. And then it got taken back off the air.
You're not missing anything.
Well, not anything you'd like, anyway.
@@cstacy See I did not know this about Discovery. I am not too old to learn. I remember watching the original Star Trek. I was in first grade, but I remember it.
Not really sure I want to "think of Q differently". It was a great character and set of storylines. No need to retcon.
Right? All these people running the new show cant actually come up with anything, so they degrade stuff from before that they barely understand.
@@OptimusSatanas Writers meeting for Picard:
"We need some cool stuff for this show. What is cool?"
"Romulans! They are cool!"
"The BORG! Coolest EVER!"
"ROBOTS are super cool!!"
"Ok, let's make a show with robots and Romulans and the Borg!
What about the heroes of the show?"
"I take drugs. Let's make a character that takes drugs"
"I am a sore loser and alcoholic. I want a character that is like me!"
"I am a psychopath! Let us have a psychopath in the crew"
"Great, we have the heroes and the villains. Now what about the story?"
"I have a great dialog: >>Old white men are stupid and evil! Pew, pew, pew! Picard dies and gets reborn as a robot, so he is finally also cool! And let's use swear words a lot!
I like the idea that humans from the distant future time travelled back to just after the big bang and became Guinan's people then some of them became the Q continuem. The one thing that Picard regrets the most is family, so having a family of his own and/or saving his brother and nephew from dieing.
dying, not dieing
I also wonder whether he might save Data and somehow prevent the attack on Mars and its consequences.
Without the trauma he suffered with the Borg, Picard might not have had a reason to visit his brother's family and begin healing the rift that had grown between him and his brother. Does that affect the event that causes his brother and nephew to die in Generations? Maybe. If it doesn't change that event from Generations, it does mean that he might now have an even deeper regret for never getting around to healing the rift between them or getting to know his nephew. If that event is changed and his brother and nephew are still alive... are they still estranged or was a better reconciliation achieved? Did his nephew leave the vineyard?
It is really surprising how much has happened that connects to what happened in "Q Who"... and the ripples that changing this one event can have on the timeline. So many things can change because of erasing this one event, I doubt they will be able to explore all the possibilities... but it will be interesting to see which ones they do explore.
Guinan's people are completely unrelated to humans, right down to the DNA. However, human ancestors or descendants (with the Q, time is nothing) becoming the Q or evolving into something like the Q? Yeah, I could easily see that.
@@KimPossibleShockwave Whoopi Goldberg revealed that Guinan was Picards great great great great ancestor…
Love that Q takes on an older avatar out of empathy with Picard
lol More like “out of necessity due to the show’s extremely low CGI budget.”
True but its in character
It's so touching. This is my favorite moment. Q is one of my favorite characters. "See you out there."
I like q but he get the actual design of next generation ship and show it and its
Secrets
I've always felt that Q was really the closest thing to an ally humanity had in the Continuum. Despite his protestations to the contrary.
I have said since early in the Q stories and other things that the Continuim is actually humanity just way way way in the future and some of the other races might be there as well. Q is so helpful because he knows that Picard has a key role to play in several events that lead humanity down the correct path to eventually ending up as the Continuim or at least part of it. My wife thinks that Q is actuaky a decendant of Picard's .. not sure how that would work.
The one truly responsible for the Federation encounter with the Borg is ensign Sonia Gomez. If she had not spilled her drink all over Picard he would not have encountered Q in the turbolift on his way to change his clothes in Q who?. Hence, no wolf 359, first contact damage, Anika getting assimilated, etc.
hahaha good one!
I am 58 and have watched every iteration and am enjoying all of the new Trek versions. Such infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Love it all.
I love this idea and it would really help to restore some of my passion into the series. That said after Season 1 of Picard and Discovery I have major doubts. Season 1 made me so angry at what Trek has become and how weak and silly the writers made Picard, one of my favorite Trek characters. All that said, with Q coming back they got me hook line and sinker and I will give everything another chance because of the deep history and potential here. I really hope they do not mess it up.
I'm with you Michael! Picard and Discovery have been NOTHING but a big disappointment. They have been nothing like previous Treks and I am soooo disgusted with the "mirror universe" crap in Discovery! I loved "Mirror Mirror" but I am so over it now. Hopefully Q will bring Picard back to a series that we can enjoy watching!
I am a huge Star Trek fan, and this might seem old-fashioned, but I couldn’t watch season one of Picard, because of all the F bomb drops, and I don’t remember Star Trek being so woke, which is one of the reasons why I don’t watch Discovery. And like many have said here, I don’t like what they did with the Picard character in season one. What I liked about Q was his no nonsense, “I really don’t care what you think“ attitude. He spoke his mind even if it wasn’t politically correct, which I am afraid season one reeked of political correctness. Hopefully, season two will see the mistakes of season one and get back to the formula that made the Star Trek franchise so successful in the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
@@BornAgainRN Same with me. I drop F bombs all the time, but hearing it in Trek was just off putting.
Star Trek was among one of the wokest shows ever on the screen throughout its earlier iterations. It just never talked about it and in your face about it because that is what a society with true equality would be. I remember TNG episodes that explored inter-species (with it being humanoid, its more akin to interracial) relationships, non-binary genders, colonialism, religion, genocide, etc. It worked because it was written well and was not trying to preach to the viewer. It allowed the viewer to form their own opinion through the eyes of the characters.
You've got to keep all things in prospective. Sir Patrick Stewart is not an innocent little lamb, beholden to the writers and script. He has major creative control in the series. As the saying goes, "never meet your heros, you'll be disappointed." Absolutely applies to this situation as well. Sir Patrick Stewart is a lefty loon who's bought fully into the woke ideology. He didn't like his original Picard character. He doesn't like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump. He is a major reason the new show is so woke.
THEY. WILL. DESTROY. YOUR. HOPE. AND. WONDER. ...AGAIN.
Remember Word 359 is where Commander Sisko lost his wife and his ship. He hated Picard for that, but if it didn't happen no DS9 and no wormhole or no emissary.
No, DS9 would just be different.
Why would there be no emissary? I think that there would always be an emissary. The reason why has to do with something that you are forgot, "The Sisko" is of Bajor.
With no Wolf 359, perhaps Sisko even joins the Prophets in the celestial temple sooner. The result would be, no Dominion War. Sisko will always prevent the Dominion from entering the Alph Quadrant through the wormhole.
Actually it is implied in Voyager that Anika's parents were studying the Borg before the incident Q Who. Thus, if true, Anika would still become Borg.
But it has also been established that the only reason hansons were looking for the borg was because of what happened back during the nx01 days so if that gets whipped from existence and that never happens then they never go looking for the borg because they don't know about them if I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's what I'm seeing
@@chrisbrewer5852 good point. It's a paradox!
@@Audioholics that's not a paradox...
Anikas parents went after the borg because of picards experiance with the borg, voyager was draged into the delta quadrant by the care taker whear they ran into the borg, so seven would not exist as 7 but the voyager crew would have been assimilated so the borg would havve known everything about the federation and this time attacked on mass without warning.
@@jaimes350 no it seems the Anika incident happened before Picard. Try a rewatch and I think you will agree.
I have a bad feeling about this. Kurtzman is going to ruin Q, isn't he. No one is safe from his and JJ's hands of doom.
Same thought. They usually screw up everything massively.
Yeah good bet. Better use Q to save Toward best character that could do it. Reset the show.
Q laid it out in Q Who. The Borg were already on their way to Earth. When Q said "They're moving faster than they should." that was the Borg he was talking about. Then they ran into the same cube in Best Of Both Worlds which was still en route.
I am almost 63 years old and i have seen every episode of every Star Trek and all the movie hundreds of times and as far as I am concerned any time Q showed up on any of them they were the best episodes EVER!!!! I can not weight for the upcoming seasons of Picard and I am sure Q will make all of them spectacular!!! Bravo John Delance BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:04 Q did gave Picard a chance to go back in time to stop himself from getting stabbed in the back but Picard ultimately decides to let himself get stabbed anyway.
Good episode. "Tapestry"
Well, Patrick Stewart stabbed all real Trekkers in the back. Both with his toxic Political Agenda and his Jack-Nasty portrayal of Picard in this series. 🤬
@@charlestaylor253 ...
@@charlestaylor253 Sounds like someone hasn't been understanding the series they've been watching all these years...
@@markcoburn8269 I've understood Stewart's Far-Left Political Agenda for a long time. Kurtzman's merely allowed him to express some of the inner contempt he's felt for Trek, it's Fandom, and the character he portrayed from 1987-2002. 🤬
The biggest problem you have with this theory is that this isn't the Star Trek of old, it's CBS/Kurtzman-Trek. Meaning it will more likely be a complete rewrite and negation of all of the established canon. There will be no deep lesson to learn, no regrets, just a simple shit-canning of the Star Trek TNG that we all know, loved and wanted to see adapted for this century. Not a Star Trek that insulted its fans, destroyed the characters we loved and obliterated a universe so vastly different from all other sci-fi universes.
BUT DONT 4GET, this is NOT picard, its an android with picards memories. picard IS DEAD.
@@kinggzz have the writers and creators actually said that PIcard is dead and we are now watching a show about an android? I understand what logic you are using but I dont think they would say that Picard is now a show about an android.
@@Phillip713 uh, yes. didnt you watch the final episodes of season one? if not heres a recap; picard died. they then put his conscience into an android and specifically said the android body, altho not sick with picards dieseas, will age as a normal human would age. so YES, he is dead. his mind or thots or essence has been implanted into android. SO THERE IS NO PICARD SEASON 2, ITS PICARD THE ANDROID NOW.
@@Phillip713 yeah well, you are wrong, sorry about that. but thats the whole point, the writers are idiots and couldnt write a cat out OF a wet paper bag if their lives depended on it. PICARD IS DEAD, THE SHOW IS ABOUT AN ANDROID NAMED PICARD.
@@kinggzz I agree kenggzz, you are absolutely right. I'm over here on the edge of my seat, quite frankly, hoping that Q will reverse that and make Piccard into a normal human again, bring him back from the dead.
This is awesome! If this is true then my hope is to see the series ultimately culminate in Picard requesting that Q introduce humanity to the Borg earlier, as he originally did in "Q Who". It would be a neat self-fulfilling prophecy to have old-Q aid old-Picard in requesting that young-Q show young-Picard the Borg.
This adds another element to Picard's guilt from the deaths he caused as Locutus. Originally Picard was merely the tool of the Borg and had no direct control of his actions, merely regretting not having resisted more. However, if the aforementioned paradox does occur then Picard would be choosing to introduce humanity to the Borg in order to help the Federation be better prepared to fight the Borg later on. He would be choosing to take direct responsibility for these deaths, for the greater good of saving all of humanity.
In my opinion this would be a cool idea to simultaneously maintain, and exacerbate, the consequences of Picard's actions in TNG, whilst also allowing some resolution for the guilt held by the character!
Without 7of 9 and Voyager, Species 8472 would have taken down the Borg before they reached Federation space.
Q was only in 13 episodes? Wow, feels like he hardly ever left.
Your in-video commercial was interrupted by another commercial. Come on TH-cam. Do you have no shame.
I hope he shows up and looks right into the camera and says "Everything you watched in STD and STP has been a dream and never really existed in the Star Trek cannon" and disappears.
Picard can wake up in the recovery room after having his hart cleaved in 2 only for us to discover it was all a near-death dream and he is discharged for starting the fight in the first place. That ending would suck though (and be insanly cruel)
LOL
Good one!
My nerd gland has been tickled by this vid 🥸
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Oh go on I love the idea of q and Piccard getting it on. Q for Queer, love it !
The show will have both Guinan and Q and I guarantee you they won't explain why Q sees her as a threat. They won't explain why she threw up her claws at Q in Q Who. Ive never understood why she seems to be the only member of her race who has abilities like she does.
STP is Not Star Trek. Nothing shown here is Canon. Just someone's bad dream.
Keep telling yourself this. In about 2 years if you don't change your mind. Well, I'm sorry to say. There may not be any hope for you...
"BAD dream"? You seem to have a tragically warped idea of dreams in general, and the meanings of good and bad specifically. What this video just laid out is nothing short of sublime genius. Don't be so close-minded...
@@antoniojones6256 He's one of those toxic purists that believe J.J. Abrams FUBAR'D everything, everything afterward is trash, and blah blah blah Discovery is garbage because in Star Trek ToS Starfleet policy was WOMEN CAN'T BE CAPTAINS... Kirk said that in the final original series episode "Turnabout Intruder" which is a TRASH episode from start to finish. A fan doesn't have to like The Kelvin timeline but to dismiss it because it's not something that hasn't been relevant for twenty five years is just as stupid but in a completely different way
You are forgetting that the Borg were already in Federation space at the end of Season 1 when they assimilated both Federation & Romulan Star Bases along the Neutral Zone. Which means they were coming for us anyway. Q just gave us a look at the enemy that we would be facing soon and gave us a chance to get ready.
This is very interesting to say the least. If there was no borg there would be no wolf 359. At this situation sisko’s ship would have never been destroyed and he wouldn’t have been assigned to Jupiter station there for no ds9 and no dominion war.
Wasn't that somewhat the case for the mirror universe? they did an episode in DS9 where some stuff never happened.
@@IN-tm8mw well the Terran empire would have probably not been on the Q’s radar as a fascinating species since they were an actual war mongering barbarous race. But even if the Q were interested the Terran empire was dissolved and overthrown way before the TNG time line so there would have not been any interaction with the borg. Different circumstances but same results I guess?
Temper your hopes and expectations, people.
The last couple years have taught me how easy it is to let hype and excitement get the best of you. And how drastically disappointing that can make things turn out upon release.
in other words, there is no way the writers are this good, such a shame isn't it.
If Q removes the Borg encounter from Picard's life, that would directly affect the Dominion War too - the Defiant would never be build, along with Sovereign, Akira, Steamrunner etc class starships. Just think how pivotal the Defiant was, like rescuing the Cardassian Government, etc that'd be a huge change
Don't forget how the Borg helped militarize the Federation before meeting the Dominion. I doubt they would have won that war without the response to the Borg. Another issue is why wouldn't the El-Aurians not tell the Federation about the Borg after their civilization was destroyed by them just before Star Trek Generations?
Guinan explains this in Q who.
@@aerisgainsborough2141 Remind me what she says? Would she or someone else like Dr. Soran have said something about the Borg to the crew of the Enterprise-B? The Borg would have been known about with or without Q Who.
@@charliedontsurf334 Q and Guinan have the conversation in ten forward when they tell Picard he's not "ready" for what's ahead...
Think about how this would effect the whole of DS9 series! No Wolf359, Jennifer doesn't get killed in the process! The Federation may never go to DS9 and discover the wormhole! No wormhole, no Dominion!
@@aerisgainsborough2141 They did, but I can't imagine that no one from Guinan's ship in Generations mentioned the techno-zombies that destroyed their civilization.
I think Picard was more "broken" with the event of Hobus supernova, rather than the Wolf 359 event. So, if Q does something, it would be to either save the Romulan homeworld or incorporate something from the STO timeline.
How bout turn Picard back to a human and saying YW Picard you earned it and you owe me nothing but.......
Vulcan also gets destroyed and this would impact Janeway in someway because Tuvok would not be around, which would mess up the timeline for Voyager and would prevent Q from meeting Janeway. As it was a civil war broke out in the Q because Janeway had let a Q end his life and encouraged Q to have a child. This changed the Q, but without these events, it would not have occurred.
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@@melinaathena what's the reason for Vulcan getting destroyed?
@@shawn092182 Kelvin Timeline, where Nero destroyed Vulcan.
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
I am of two minds about this. 1) As some comments already pointed out, "Tapestry" already did something like this. Since Kurtzman hasn't watched any TNG, he probably thinks this is a brilliant idea he just came up with on his own. 2) They won't do anything this well thought out that thinks through all the canon like this idea does. Again, Kurtzman hasn't watched any TNG.
My pessimism aside, this is a great video!
Q Changes Borg History during Picard Season 2? That's Interesting Cause Remember New Time Travel Rules If Someone Goes back and Changes something it Just Creates a Parallel Reality.
Ordinarily, you'd be correct, but Q could have the ability to change time in a way that either changes every reality where the Enterprise D met the Borg then or kept the timelines from diverging after erasing that period of time.
Captain Janeway sums it all up well.
"My advice in making sense of temporal paradoxes is simple. Don't even try."
ST:VOY - Timeless
The moment John De Lancie leans in to whisper but his chair pulls back ...
I always assumed it was the rest of The Continuum pulling his chair back ... as if to say "NO! You've helped him enough already!!" Q himself was satisfied with the progress Picard & Co. had shown by this point, but the CONTINUUM needs more; an insatiable, almost childlike, curiosity.
It would be neat to bring back Wheaton who has fully realized his powers.
They actually brought him back in Nemesis, but they cut the scene from the film.
Interesting thought
That would actually be the opposite of neat
Bringing Wesley back is the antithesis of neat. It is an abomination that has not occurred, thankfully. I'm glad he is confined to his After Trek series where I am safe to ignore him in perpetuity.
Called it! Loved his scene in the Picard Season 2 Finale!
I was wondering about the DS9 with the Emissary, The Dominion, Jen Ha Dir, the Nonlinear time aka The Prophets, etc?
I think Q would arrogantly roll his eyes at The Prophets and call them amateurs.
Species 8472 would have wiped out the Borg in the Delta quadrant! Your galaxy will be purged!
This might be the series that also brings back Capt. Jonathan Archer as a “temporal consultant” to this crisis.
Picard Season 1 sucked donkey balls-- I really hope Q makes Discovery, and Picard Season 1 a dream. Haha.
This is the only "up-ending" I want to see in Star Trek today.
And erase Burnham.
It's a dream that Burnham has had after reading Sisko's book in the universe where he was a Sci-fi i writer
Hollywood loves to jerk themselves off over subverting expectations, so could they do it in a good way for once?
@@BlazingOwnager one key aspect behind subverting expectations is that the person doing that often uses it as a tool to take ownership of pre-existing material, they want to be responsible for it, to shape it after their own image - it's an ego play. Kurtzman already did that and is fully behind Nu Trek, so there's no reason for him to do it again.
Who cares about anything ST anymore… Also, there's no Picard anymore, Picard died.
Millions do care.
@@Bojan_V Kurtzman cares about millions of US dollars…
@@czerskip You know exactly what i mean.
This looks exponentially more promising and interesting than season 1. Actually excited to watch now!
Don't forget the details in the book version of All Good Things. Q appears on one of the playing cards in Picard's hand.
The Borg already assimilated the USS Tombaugh the year before the USS Enterprise D even entered active duty, and the Borg were already present in the Alpha Quadrant as evidenced by the episode "The Neutral Zone". The only reason why the Borg do not appear in the Episode "The Neutral Zone" was because of the Writers Strike of '88.
Having seen all the new CBS trek, I doubt it is going to be anything as good as you are theorizing. Believe me, loved your concepts, made me excited, then I realized what space-time vector I was in and how woke everything is. :P
This^
@Brad Grant Then your opinion should be ignored.
I hate being in the woke timeline. I’d rather be assimilated by the Borg........oh wait
@@justincider8892 You know what I have huge problems with this show and with wokeness in general. That doesn't mean I think anyone's opinions should be ignored or put down, and doesn't mean the show is 100% bad. That's just an ignorant attitude you have there bud. When you're mocking other people's opinions because they don't line up precisely with yours, you're acting like the woke. You're literally no better.
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
Ok that was just awesome. Now u messed up season two Picard cause they'll never do something so groovy like this
Yeah no chance they come up with anything this good :(
Aww crap, you're right... I hope you're wrong, and I'm sure you are too.
I wonder if anyone had noticed that the actress who played "Lady Q" is the same one who played Worf's girlfriend/Alexander's mother earlier in the series, along being a Vulcan in another episode.
They re-used guest actors/actresses all the time. :) It's always a neat tid-bit finding out that they've played other roles in either the same or other series.
Yes. Susie Plakson played K’heylar, and the Lady Q, and the Vulcan Dr., Selar, in the episode about Dr. Ira Graves having that dementia disease, Darnay’s disease, and putting his essence into Enterprise’s computer.
Yes, she was the female Jeffrey Combs.
She also was the Andorian Tarah on Enterprise.
@@jurgmanx4644 Wow! This lady certainly can get around!
Forgot about the episode from season 1. The last episode " The Neutral Zone." Outposts on both sides were destroyed. That was mentioned in the season two episode "Q Who?" So the Borg were already aware of the Federation and Romulans! Just goes to show why Kurtzman needs to be removed from anything Star Trek related!!!
I'm glad that you have no idea what the true storyline of Picard Season 2 will be.
I regularly laugh at next season prediction because they’re based on individual wants, not good evidence. This video puts together a string of strong evidence based arguments followed by a quality prediction that seem probable, everything ties together. Good job, I’ve subscribed.
Thanks Paul! Comment's like these are what make it worth doing this videos! Much appreciated and welcome :)
It is also why Star Trek fans are constantly disappointed. The writing is trash. Picard and Discovery are the worst sci fi shows I have ever seen.
@@dasparado What you’re saying is I want Star Trek to fit my wants and the problem you have is you’re not in charge of those decisions. If you don’t like modern Star Trek and you would rather watch new episodes of old Star Trek go watch the Orville. That show is a great fit for you. I liked the old Star Trek, it was a great show when I was a kid, the simplistic plots and ideology were entertaining, but I also enjoyed Get Smart, and I Dream of Jeannie for the same reason, they were Idealistic and they had simple satisfactory plots. I’ve matured in the 50 plus years, wanting more realistic chaotic scenarios where there’s no perfect hero’s, there’s people scratching and struggling towards something better. That’s what modern Trek offers, but there’s other shows out there for you to watch.
@@paulmillbank3617 That's a bit unfair. Does the breaking of canon constantly play no role in whether we should like the show or not? How about the fact that STD makes every straight White man a villain or alien? That's intolerance and dehumanizing, not diversity, and it's especially bad when they are making a conscious decision to do that because Hollywood has long understood that representation matters. You're preaching to the choir on The Orville, though. Great show.
@@drewd2 That straight white male argument sounds so Trumpian. It’s been white hero’s and heroines for the past 70 years and you’re critical of the white man being shown as a villain? I’m a white man and I can honestly say who cares what pigment the villain has. Jesus H Christ, the fear from proud white men is staggering. It’s a TV show, and white people are good guys and bad guys.
Following your very logic, IF Voyager is assimilated during the course of the VOY series, then there's no telling how the war with Species 8472 ends. Most likely, Species 8472 has the upper hand and the Borg is eradicated and cease to be a threat.
Assuming the Borg somehow win the war, they wouldn't wait decades to invade the UFP. Let's assume the transwarp gateway in Sector 001 depicted in Endgame was recently established when used and wouldn't have yet been established, the Borg is still able to travel at transwarp speed. Traveling from the Delta quadrant to the Alpha quadrant would take mere months. Not decades. In such a scenario, Starfleet is wiped out in a battle similar to Wolf 359 and the Federation falls in a couple weeks. Presumably, all Alpha quadrant major power would fall in a couple years.
So by the time we get to PIC, the whole Alpha quadrant would either have been assimilated decades ago OR the Borg was wiped out by Species 8472.
As initial runs for TOS went off the air in 1969; The expansion of the world's most popular science fiction media franchise phenomenon following...is only the beginning.
By Roddenberry, we're still trekkin' after all these years.
I’ve loved Star Trek ever since I can remember, but STD & STP are a massive let down for me, stopped watching in Ep6 in both. Won’t be returning to Picard sorry! (And I’ve literally just rewatched 3 episodes of voyager before seeing this - and they were still just as good and kept me entertained) - this is an amazing video, and your narration, music and production were brilliant, but I honestly couldn’t care! - I’m rewatching TNG era episodes and waiting for the Orville to come back...
Orville is awesome with good comedy insertions👍
Yeah Season one of picard just became just say watchable, mid way through, i would not have commissioned it for a second season at all. Plus what they did with Picard really blew it for me.
Oh, you'll watch it...
Q wasn't as bad as the Federation thought he was, afterall he gave Picard a "safe" encounter with the Borg, so they would be prepared to take on Borg. It was inevitable.
Yep. Either have a meet and greet then or wait to get invaded and overwhelmed years later.
Pretty much like the TNG episode "Tapestry" where Q shows Picard what life would be like had he never been impaled through the heart and lived a more risk-free lifestyle.
So much for something new. Writers are lazy and will use old stuff in a new wrapper.
This predicted storyline would have been so much better than what actually transpired!
Q has become one of my favorite characters in Star Trek period, possibly equal to Spock. His mischievous nature was constantly delightful, his scene with the mariachi band is instantly hilarious. John Delance obviously enjoyed the role and was no doubt key to it winning us all over.
I've haven't seen Picard yet. The background music is amazingly gorgeous, where is it from?!?
Its extremly bad, mate.
I recommend people like 'Dave Cullen Show' and 'Critical Drinker'
and so many others talking about it.
They made full-on analysis and/or also just fun little summarys. I recommend them.
I'd love to know as well - that music is spectacular.
No Borg intervention, no "Terran Empire" in the "Mirror Universe". Instead, the Federation may have more serious/disastrous problems with "First contact" with the Borg in the early 25th century.
Why is humanity on trial and not the borg?
Interesting, but after witnessing what they’ve done with “new trek” in recent years, I have no hope for this season 2 of “Picard” nor I have faith in the writing capabilities of these “storytellers” or in their knowledge and/or respect for the source material and in-universe thorough lore. Hopes are very, very low.
*Kurtzman certainly is NOT worthy of continuing the Star Trek legacy, and he has dropped the ball again and again. I must admit I have trouble supporting this next season because his work has been over the top “woke” just like the rest of the Hollywood machine. I may watch the incoming season, but as far as I am concerned the legacy has been tainted beyond redemption at this point. Even if the incoming season is repaired the show is already broken beyond repair.*
The themes in this video are exciting. I eagerly look forward to seasons two and three!
Yeah wiping out wolf 359 from history would be more devastating than letting it remain. This event woke up Starfleet that having a capable military force is essential to guard against other powers that would threaten the federation.
Hearing all the bad about Discovery and Picard, especially the fact that they're hidden behind a paywall makes it really easy to just not watch these shows.
To make it worse, any events of the Trek cannon we love and its optimism are ruined by the new "canon" created by Discovery. It all culminates into a regression of humanity into a new dark ages and tell us that all triumphs and lessons learned were futile and that we'll never rise above our darkness. Definitely not Roddenbury's vision.
@@woidonmiguel1 Like with the new Star Wars, I just can't accept it as canon...and we certainly don't have too. I'd love to see new (good) stories set in these IPs, but I will always enjoy the old classics.
If youre right about the q reversing the events of wolf 359, it would be cool to have an appearance from captain sisko urging picard to go back and set the time line as it was, and picard saying to sisko, "you know that means your wife will die" and then they could cut to her death and the rocky meeting at ds9 between picard and sisko, and have sisko still urge him to go back so it saves humanity despite the fact that he will lose jennifer.
I'm so glad that Q is making a comeback!!
There's another crucial development you didn't consider" the creation of the more...combat oriented vessels such as the Defiant, Akira, and Sovereign class ships... as well as combat refits of other ships for a crucial aspect of DS9: The Dominion war. The encounter with the Borg, and Wolf 359 were indirectly responsible for the Federation being even REMOTELY able to beat the Dominion. You change that crucial incident and you DRASTICALLY change the stability, geopolitical balance, and perhaps even the ruling faction of the Alpha Quadrant.
Q has a part time job as Palpatine. "Kill me!"
That Theory would mean no Hugh, no “Descent”, Sisko’s wife wouldn’t die, so perhaps no Emissary. How does that effect the Dominion War? Perhaps even change things in “Generations”. Also, what does that do for Season One of Picard? Fantastic theory. Doubtful the Picard writers will go with that, it’s too nice and too well thought out.
There is no way they will do anything that draws on canon so well. They just don’t care that much.
@@DarkeningSkies1 I wish I couldn’t agree with you. Sad, really.
since the prophets are outside of time Sisko would be inside the Ancestral Temple and outside with Jake and his wife at the same time which could make for a interesting story . Sisko's mind going back and forth, this might not be to far fetched with the Bajoran Reckoning Tablet having been seen in the Picard trailer . so "Welcome Emissary"
@@williamburg2735 Oh, I follow you. That would be very, very cool. It probably won’t be until like the end of May or beginning of June 2022 that the season will be released. I’m really hoping with John de Lancie being back the show will be better.
It would have happened either way, given the Prophets were responsible for his conception (one meat-puppeting his biological mother's body in a horrible form of what was essentially "epaR") and he was predestined to have a role.
How it happened, however, would be a lot different -- either that, or Q's meddling caused the Prophets to not create Sisko, and Q's alterations go all the way back into the past.
"Would Q's shenanigans be powerful enough to affect beings outside of traditional space-time" is the question.
i am 64 and have watch every star trek series and think Star Trek and all of its spinoffs are much more that just a TV series... i look forward to the next 2 seasons of Picard and any other star trek series....adding Q is brillant
I'm so Excited ! This made me Cry... It made me feel apart of something bigger ! And looking around in my own Life Wishing Q would Come ! I can here him now saying " Yes, But if I come you will never survive the Future ! " And I know that's True.... Just theirs so Much Dullnes and we could use some WateR....
The intellectual relationship between Picard and Q is wonderful ...one wonders if Picard could revisit the Nexus and gain abilities Guinan has
As soon as I heard Whoopi Goldberg was going to join during season one, this is exactly the theory I was thinking too. Thank you for putting it in a clearly understandable video!
16:05 not sure why you left out Jane way going back to save Voyager and have them go into the subspace corridors to get home
You know I've been with Star Trek from the very beginning at 10 years old. I grew up with a franchise that first episode of the Next Generation I was not impressed with Q. By the finale Q was starting to grow on me, and now I can't wait to see him in Picard! it's weird what time will do.
Kurtzman and his team of hacks do not understand Star Trek or the fans. I have zero confidence on how they will handle Q, given the garbage that was Picard Season 1. STD is also trash. Kurtzman should have produced his own TV series rather than butcher an established and well loved franchise.
Q shows up, apologizes for Discovery and puckard, snaps his fingers and BOTH series end emediately
I didn't even know that two more seasons are coming. Now I'm hyper-hyped. Also I'm a big fan of Picard, Q and seven of nine characters so... welcome to paradise!
Star Trek fanboy forever