The fact Caroline as his own mother didn't even stand up to comfort her own son who broke down and just sitting there looking sad really shows you how awful she is. Even Connor as his half brother stood up and comfort him.
@@VeniVidiVicous Also, back in Season One, on Shiv's wedding, she had an audicity to say "This isn't about you!" In her own daughter's wedding day! No wonder Shiv is always feeling isolated through her entire life.
@@margarethmichelina5146 It was saying she'd have a heart to heart with Kendall the next morning and then no showing that made me think Logan was the better parent of the two.
@@VeniVidiVicous As much as ignorant and abusive Logan is, I noticed that Logan is always nicer to Shiv as probably because Shiv is the only daughter and the youngest Roy. You can see that Shiv is always respecting Logan and not always agree for Kendall for always throw him down as CEO. Even she looks disgusted to see Kendall put his foot on Logan's former office table. But, deep down, she's always having her agenda and it always backfired.
@@mrsupremegascon I wouldn't say I didn't feel anything before the moment, because I sure did feel a lot, but yeah, there are those moments where the wave of emotions just comes crashing down on you, and seeing the casket is usually one of them...
Matsson and Mencken's reactions side by side are interesting. Lukas seems to get it, has a "Oh, he wasn't kidding on the mountain" kind of look while Mencken's your pushy hockey dad after you blow the big match, a restrained, disappointed "Well, okay then."
It's ironic that Roman pushed his siblings to choose Mecken but then in his dad's house on awakening, Mecken completely ignored him. Also, there's a theory that Roman might have a crush to Mecken hence why they were so close in Season 3. However, Mecken is married as you noticed he has a wife and a kid on his victory speech. Therefore, Roman's "simping" to Mecken for nothing.
Also don't forget that Lukas found his own dad after he unalived himself and is prone to bouts of melancholy. He understands the sadness and the emotional trauma because he's lived it.
Roman always being terrible to the other people by disrespecting them, rude and also talk whatever he wants. However, deep down, he's actually still suffering a Stockholm Syndrome as he is mostly always following Logan every time and always act arrogance whenever he's around Logan. He tried to act like Logan by firing Joy and Gerri and even mocking Willa as Connor's "wife", he's also thinking that having Mecken as the President would be a good idea as Logan chose Mecken to be the President candidate and he's thinking it would be honor him but it backfired to him as the public don't like Mecken because he is a fascist. Even worse, Mecken ignoring him later on Logan's house. This moment expose himself that he is indeed a spoiled daddy rich kid who is nothing without his daddy and also shows how weak he is as his other siblings are stronger. Also, Ewan's eulogy feels like a wake up call to him so he feels overwhelmed on bringing his eulogy later.
I've been there when I had to make the speech for my mother's funeral. I took it upon myself to be as aloof and well-spoken as I ought to. Everyone was already upset and breaking apart and as the youngest, I felt I had to keep it together. I only broke in private.
At my grandfather's funeral, my youngest aunt had the same reaction as Roman. This scene absolutely shook me when I watched it. Because i saw this scene in real life. The death of the father is always difficult for the youngest sibling in the family.
I wonder if Shiv being on the verge of breaking down with Roman at 2:18 was scripted or not. Looked and felt very genuine to me. Top notch acting by everyone.
Well Logan wouldn’t have cried in Roman’s situation. Roman generally tried to appear strong & tough & ruthless superficially but was always a weak person
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 it’s emotional authenticity, which I personally adore in Roman, but it was evident that people lookd down at him for this. Karl shook his head, Jeryd Mencken mocked him for it, Lukas Matsson looked amused and superioristic. So, weakness
No one ever thought Rome was strong. He clearly built a wall around his emotions, hence the constant rudeness, obscenities, jokes, put-downs, etc. It was always very obvious that he was a very sensitive man, we just barely got to see it before this scene (we saw a little of it after the hostage situation in Turkey, that was the first crack). Rome is the embodiment of "tough on the outside, soft on the inside"
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 exactly. people who are outwardly tough (don't let anything get to them, never allow themselves to be vulnerable) are actually weak (or rather, afraid, which is a form of weakness); now to allow yourself to be yourself, to be vulnerable and to show your emotions, THAT is strength. THAT is a superpower.
Just finished the show. Good gravy Roman was a little shit, but I felt for him in this scene. Finally all the bravado and snide behavior just crumbled. It seemed like every interaction with his dad made him revert back to a little kid throughout the series. And now he had to face the finality of the man's, whose approval he always wanted, death.
2:58 Even Mattson had more empathy for Roman than Karl. Despite their bad blood, he knows from experience how much losing a father can hurt 😢 Fuck Karl...
That shot of Gerri makes me madder that they didn't include the cut scene from the scripts where she comforts him. Not only was it true to character (the dialogue in the scene didnt feel OOC) but it would have provided so much more closure to their relationship.
I don't think it would have been too much necessarily, and definitely think it would have been in character for Gerri. But I think it's also in character for her to abstain, since while she clearly cares about Roman, she generally acts in self-interest. "How does it serve my interests?"
Gerri cares to Roman but she still feels bitter to him for firing her out of his whim. I think not making her comfort Roman is a good decision although we can see her worry and concern to him. Even when Karl showed the video of him crying from Ray, Gerri the only one who said, "Oh, come on! That's not funny!"
I think if Roman wanted to he could. He just rarely acted like anyone he met was worthy of a serious eulogy, given the privileged status and everything.
This was better than any eulogy. What is there to say when your own father dies really? This is more meaningful and more impactful than words can ever do.
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The fact Caroline as his own mother didn't even stand up to comfort her own son who broke down and just sitting there looking sad really shows you how awful she is. Even Connor as his half brother stood up and comfort him.
I hadn't considered that before but had already arrived at the conclusion that she was a terrible parent.
@@VeniVidiVicous Also, back in Season One, on Shiv's wedding, she had an audicity to say "This isn't about you!" In her own daughter's wedding day!
No wonder Shiv is always feeling isolated through her entire life.
@@margarethmichelina5146 It was saying she'd have a heart to heart with Kendall the next morning and then no showing that made me think Logan was the better parent of the two.
@@VeniVidiVicous As much as ignorant and abusive Logan is, I noticed that Logan is always nicer to Shiv as probably because Shiv is the only daughter and the youngest Roy. You can see that Shiv is always respecting Logan and not always agree for Kendall for always throw him down as CEO. Even she looks disgusted to see Kendall put his foot on Logan's former office table. But, deep down, she's always having her agenda and it always backfired.
Logan didn't stand up either. Truly horrible parents
Oh my lord, that gentle little sob that comes out of him. How he protects himself with his hands as he was afraid he would be beaten. My heart 😓
I love that Roman's cue cards are pink, like he's taking his heart out and laying it out in front of him.
English teachers be like
@@tobiasrieper6640Lmaoo
Not that deep
That's such a good observation!!!!! I love it.
Good observation. Contrasts the front Roman always put up.
This is so real tho. For me, it didn't hit until I saw the casket and I thought "damn, this is really the way it ends?" Death is so weird
If it was open casket it would be 10x worse
Had the exact same reaction at my grand father death.
Didn't felt anything until I saw the casket, then I broke down.
Also, the way Logan died is just.... simple. He's just died by cardiac arrest, not by getting shot or stabbed but he just dies.
@@mrsupremegascon I wouldn't say I didn't feel anything before the moment, because I sure did feel a lot, but yeah, there are those moments where the wave of emotions just comes crashing down on you, and seeing the casket is usually one of them...
Matsson and Mencken's reactions side by side are interesting. Lukas seems to get it, has a "Oh, he wasn't kidding on the mountain" kind of look while Mencken's your pushy hockey dad after you blow the big match, a restrained, disappointed "Well, okay then."
It's ironic that Roman pushed his siblings to choose Mecken but then in his dad's house on awakening, Mecken completely ignored him. Also, there's a theory that Roman might have a crush to Mecken hence why they were so close in Season 3. However, Mecken is married as you noticed he has a wife and a kid on his victory speech. Therefore, Roman's "simping" to Mecken for nothing.
Never really knew how to interpret their looks in this scene, this one is very interesting.
Also don't forget that Lukas found his own dad after he unalived himself and is prone to bouts of melancholy. He understands the sadness and the emotional trauma because he's lived it.
What a pathetic little to world to live him where you cannot even cry your heart out at your father's funeral without being judged.
Great show though!
Roman always being terrible to the other people by disrespecting them, rude and also talk whatever he wants. However, deep down, he's actually still suffering a Stockholm Syndrome as he is mostly always following Logan every time and always act arrogance whenever he's around Logan. He tried to act like Logan by firing Joy and Gerri and even mocking Willa as Connor's "wife", he's also thinking that having Mecken as the President would be a good idea as Logan chose Mecken to be the President candidate and he's thinking it would be honor him but it backfired to him as the public don't like Mecken because he is a fascist. Even worse, Mecken ignoring him later on Logan's house.
This moment expose himself that he is indeed a spoiled daddy rich kid who is nothing without his daddy and also shows how weak he is as his other siblings are stronger. Also, Ewan's eulogy feels like a wake up call to him so he feels overwhelmed on bringing his eulogy later.
That's because they're all sociopaths so displays of genuine human emotion like Roman had confuses, disgusts and discomforts people like that.
I've been there when I had to make the speech for my mother's funeral. I took it upon myself to be as aloof and well-spoken as I ought to. Everyone was already upset and breaking apart and as the youngest, I felt I had to keep it together.
I only broke in private.
i remember watching this and thinking he would win the emmy and came back to this after he won
He was great in the entire season/show but this was THE scene that got him that Emmy
At my grandfather's funeral, my youngest aunt had the same reaction as Roman. This scene absolutely shook me when I watched it. Because i saw this scene in real life.
The death of the father is always difficult for the youngest sibling in the family.
Roman is not the youngest. Shiv is.
@@buxxi90 OMG! You were right man!
@@mandalorluekrem96 it certainly feels the other way around.
@@buxxi90 Absolutely. 😄
Also, you noticed that somehow Shiv looks taller than Roman despite being the youngest sibling? Even without heels, she looks taller than him.
I wonder if Shiv being on the verge of breaking down with Roman at 2:18 was scripted or not. Looked and felt very genuine to me. Top notch acting by everyone.
I doubt it, actors can act
This is what won Kieran Culkin his blessed emmy
Just proof none of us are as strong as we think. Kieran was great in this scene!
Well Logan wouldn’t have cried in Roman’s situation. Roman generally tried to appear strong & tough & ruthless superficially but was always a weak person
@@Ephraim-MichaelYou aren't a "weak person" for crying at your father's funeral.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 it’s emotional authenticity, which I personally adore in Roman, but it was evident that people lookd down at him for this. Karl shook his head, Jeryd Mencken mocked him for it, Lukas Matsson looked amused and superioristic. So, weakness
No one ever thought Rome was strong. He clearly built a wall around his emotions, hence the constant rudeness, obscenities, jokes, put-downs, etc. It was always very obvious that he was a very sensitive man, we just barely got to see it before this scene (we saw a little of it after the hostage situation in Turkey, that was the first crack). Rome is the embodiment of "tough on the outside, soft on the inside"
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 exactly. people who are outwardly tough (don't let anything get to them, never allow themselves to be vulnerable) are actually weak (or rather, afraid, which is a form of weakness); now to allow yourself to be yourself, to be vulnerable and to show your emotions, THAT is strength. THAT is a superpower.
I’m sorry but Roman arranging his little notecards like that is legitimately one of the biggest laughs I got out of this entire series.
Karl laughing at this circulating online
"he sounds like a sow that knows its about to get the stun gun.." LMAO
You dog man you 😠
The Grim Weeper, Tiny Tears
@@SillyFrenchKing silent?! 😂
Hahahaah that was wild
Such a ruthless insult yet one of the funniest in the show lmao
I burst out with laughter when he said that!
Church & State is a masterpiece
The whole series you just want to give Roman a hug
Not all the time lol but I get it
Just finished the show. Good gravy Roman was a little shit, but I felt for him in this scene. Finally all the bravado and snide behavior just crumbled. It seemed like every interaction with his dad made him revert back to a little kid throughout the series. And now he had to face the finality of the man's, whose approval he always wanted, death.
2:58 Even Mattson had more empathy for Roman than Karl. Despite their bad blood, he knows from experience how much losing a father can hurt 😢
Fuck Karl...
That doesn’t look like empathy at all. You can almost see a little smirk starting to form
@@tobiasrieper6640 I didn't really see a smirk on Mattson 🫤. Then again, I do have astigmatism lmao. Maybe you're thinking of Mencken ?
@@tobiasrieper6640he doesn’t smirk at all
I definitely got the impression that he was smirking like the other execs. @@MichaelEmmanuelArriaga
@@tobiasrieper6640if I remember correctly he smirks when Kendall starts speaking about his dad and capitalism....
Didn’t know Kieran had this in him.
Also, knowing what happened to the Culkin's father who abused his kids to be famous especially to his brother, Macaulay, this hit him so hard.
That shot of Gerri makes me madder that they didn't include the cut scene from the scripts where she comforts him. Not only was it true to character (the dialogue in the scene didnt feel OOC) but it would have provided so much more closure to their relationship.
Nah, it would've been too much. It was perfect the way it was edited. A beautiful heartwrenching moment between the siblings.
I don't think it would have been too much necessarily, and definitely think it would have been in character for Gerri. But I think it's also in character for her to abstain, since while she clearly cares about Roman, she generally acts in self-interest.
"How does it serve my interests?"
Gerri cares to Roman but she still feels bitter to him for firing her out of his whim. I think not making her comfort Roman is a good decision although we can see her worry and concern to him. Even when Karl showed the video of him crying from Ray, Gerri the only one who said, "Oh, come on! That's not funny!"
Real talk, can anybody picture Roman giving a serious eulogy for anybody anyways!?
I think if Roman wanted to he could. He just rarely acted like anyone he met was worthy of a serious eulogy, given the privileged status and everything.
This was better than any eulogy. What is there to say when your own father dies really? This is more meaningful and more impactful than words can ever do.
I dont think Roman could do anything in his life seriously...
@@thegamingelite9609 Like kendall? :D
@@Highstakess_ kendall atleast knows what he's talking about while Roman makes it up as he goes.
"Can we get him out?"
Gerri looked genuinely distressed to see Roman breaking down. I think she did care about him, in her way.
“Is he in there?” :’( Still at denial/bargaining
Kieran deserved the Emmy just for this performance alone
What an actor, makes you feel terribly sad for an absolutely dreadful human being who he plays so masterfully well. Bravo Kieran 👏
He's by far the most complex character of the show and his scenes always have something more going on behind the actual scene.
Gerri's look
So fuckin spicy, so true
Roman's tears are delicious. He thought he was going to kill it, then he just collapsed like a cheap tent!
Alright psycho
edgy
no no he's right. @@OMeToHer
how can you 'kill it' at a funeral what
@@dvrbjrvr3148 When it is already dead