I dunno, it was kinda sad how Con came to the conclusion that he didn't need love after years of being in a one-sided relationship that was only happening because of his (dad's) money.
@@deathbastardable Yeah, "he basically purchased a person and is trying to keep her in a castle" as Kieran Culkin said in some interview, not really winning at life. But he's probably best off of the bunch.
This is what I kept asking from early on... Why do they even want this? Go take your millions and do whatever you want with your life. Start your own company... so many people don't have nearly the means to do something like that. (Hell of a show, though.)
I'm amazed at how many people seem to miss that none of Logan's children are "worse" than the other. They are all shades of the man's worst characteristics. The tragedy isn't that none of them become CEO. The tragedy is in the swimming and the kitchen, where we see that they could have truly been a family that loved and supported one another except for one problem: They're Logan Roy's kids.
@@billyobfas6962 Shiv is REALLY spiteful and unlikable with the faces...it's like she is stabbing Kendall with a knife and twisting it so he will really bleed out, but Cotygeek is right, they are all terrible in different ways. The things Rome says to people...the way he treated that kid season 1? Who abuses and publicly humiliates kids for kicks? Romulus. His father called him a sicko...he is...and his dad made him that way.
Exactly! Imagine the writers, writing this amazing piece of work so we can all reflect on greed, trauma, capitalism, etc so people end up not getting the point of the show and being Logan’s fans 😅
i LOVE that they kept the waiter storyline from the start to the literal end, i hate when something big happens in a show and then it’s forgotten abt next season
@@ledot2037that’s how the world works though.. so an employee lost a finger or two (maybe a hand?) you pay the guy and that’s it. It’s not a company ending or news worthy thing. Has Roman been in the control room perhaps a bigger issue. But he was at a wedding. The media can’t paint him as a huge bad guy for the situation.
@@ledot2037 I wasn’t trying to be rude. Or a smart ass. Just making a conversation about it. Thought you were being serious about wanting them to bring it up again. That’s why I wrote the comment about why they prob didn’t bring it up again. No need for hostility. My apologies if you mistook my comment for being aggressive.
Wasn’t Kendall right from the start of the show? Buy tech (vaulter) and invest your content in it. The tech (Mattsson) bought them instead whilst losing ATN. Both vaulter and Mattsson had bad numbers/fake number which could be worked through. It seems to me that they had the answer for all their business growth problem from the start. (I copy and pasted this, just curious if somebody has a take on this)
man, that smile after Shiv says "I just don't think you'd be good at it"... Logan raised his kids to do only one thing and that thing is compete and be terrible towards each other
Just the fact that he promised the company leadership role to all three of them at different points in their lives--he wanted them to be at one another's throats. If he had just been clear in his will that he wanted it to go from eldest to youngest, or that he wanted all three to run it together and vote on things when they disagreed, or that he wanted the company sold immediately and for each of them to profit equally, it would have saved them all some grief. But nooo...
This is why the only time Logan respected Kendall was when he grew a pair and stood on the lawsuit. None of them deserved it, they were are silver spoon fed fractions of what Logan raised. Logan said Tom was beneath Shiv, ironically he respected tom 10 times more than any of his kids because of his dedication and work ethic along with his willingness to lay on the sword for the company.
Kendall losing it with his hands just GRIPPING onto Roman’s face like that is one of the most realistic portrayals of rage i’ve seen on television. He has purely lost it right there, no thoughts, just rage
His siblings destroyed his only dream right as he was about to finally realize it. His entire world was shattered in that moment, and I can’t really blame him with the things they were saying. Such a tragic character
@Jasmine Marie Murray nah tbh I’m on Kendall’s side, shiv played this card at the last moment and no one was going to convince her otherwise, then Roman does the 2 v 1 stating his kids are randos. Even if he just said it, in the heat of me losing my dream, my sister making ridiculous statements at the hour of the vote, then he mentions my kids aren’t even mine? Nah I’d lose it and most humans would too irrespective to if it makes sense to or not. Even Logan I believe would be massively frustrated.
What's really interesting about Roman in this scene is at 4:16, when Kendall is attacking him, he doesn't make any attempt to defend himself. Roman keeps his arms at his side while Kendall is tearing at his face, but as soon as Kendall shoves Shiv, Roman springs into action to protect her. This is learned helplessness, where an abused child doesn't defend himself because he feels powerless against his abuser (first his father, now his older brother), but finds strength to protect someone else that they perceive is more vulnerable. Very subtle and well done, in keeping with what we know about this toxic family.
It really reminds of the scene in season 2 episode 6 when Logan hits Roman, Kendall immediatly jumps in Romans defence. This time however he is the one attacking one of his siblings, and Roman the one defending her.
Kendall didn't f*cking "abuse" Roman just because they physically fought lmao, both Roman and Shiv were being selfish cunts who destroyed something that could have been decent. They're all self-destructive and selfish, but Kendall was genuinely attempting to solve the situation whereas Shiv and Roman got too caught up in their own feelings of inferiority I may be overanalyzing it, but you definitely are
When Kendall says, "That didn't happen," the bottom drops out of everything. His relationship with his siblings, his last shred of dignity, and any chance of him stepping into his father's shoes. Incredible moment.
That was one of the things that he truly opened up to his siblings about. To see him take it all back just ruined their deeper connection and left them all disconnected in the end
@@diegoalvarez64 Kendall opening up about killing the kid led to them uniting together against Logan, so saying it was a move to manipulate them ruined everything they did together
shiv releases kendall from the cycle while also condemning him to a life of no purpose, meanwhile she’s trapped with tom. she is not a hero, and it’s not a happy ending for her, or anyone. very poetic and astounding writing. everyone got what they deserved
@@syscopio3452 The show already tells us this. Find a new line 😂 And besides, what Tom meant by that was that she was incapable of showing care (not at all her fault, at least... not entirely), not that she didn't love at all. She "loves" it all, that's why her name means God's Grace- her pride destroyed her, in the end. As a besides, it's stupid to mock and blame characters that aren't real- what does this do that is GOOD? Nothing.
I loved Connor's ending - it was the most perfect ending he could have possibly had, doing the most mundane BS ever but with the most overcomplicated system he could have come up with
@@jonathanthomas9677 does Willa truly love him though? Willa seemed VERY keen on having a long distance relationship away from Connnor and looked disappointed when Shiv told her that Mencken might not win the election. So the plans of Connor moving away to Slovenia or wherever would not come to fruition.
The fact Shiv tried to expose him for killed someone but Kendall claimed he made it up is just the worst. What's more embarrasing is, he's going back to Board Meeting room and want to adjourn the meeting and pretend nothing happened! Even though the people saw how he's yelling at his siblings, squisshing Roman's skull and even trying to attack Shiv who's pregnant. Kendall mostly can't read his environment because he is blinded by his ego and arrogance.
Ken never should have admitted it to anyone else. That was weak from him. Shiv didn't even care about it until she saw an opportunity to use it against him. Also, Shiv leaned on that woman who was going to testify against her family's company. She couldn't care less about that woman and what she witnessed or survived. This whole family is gross. But that's what you find at the top. So what does that say about all of us? What do we really value in this world?
If Succession is a tragic farce, then Kendall is the most pathetic character in the series. At times he comes agonizingly close to self-awareness, but never manages it.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth We also see how The Roys are lacking of morality and sympathy because they are too narcisstic and oblivious. Like when Roman wanted to share his traumatic experience from being a hostage in Turkey at Season 2, Kendall and Shiv mocked him instead. When Connor reminded everyone that he is the eldest son, the others three don't give a shit about him. Even when Kendall told the truth of him killing a waiter while crying, Shiv and Roman are confused of how they are supposed to react. Connor even wanted to promote his presidential campaign in Mo's funeral but Willa changed his eulogy and then he delivered the weirdest and awkward eulogy that we ever heard (also give us the clue to Willa's bad writing)
@@cainandabel7059 it was perfectly in character... He already said something similar in an earlier episode. The one after he nearly drowned in the pool, when he was getting an intervention from the 3 of them. It is exactly what Kendall thinks of himself.
He is the eldest out of the three of them who are full siblings while Connor is their half sibling. He was always supposed to take over. Logan told him several times it would be his
@@sondushabib9677 Assuming Sophie is adopted. As for Iverson, it wasn't clear before if he was also adopted but based on Roman's words, sounds like IVF with a donor.
“I’M THE ELDEST BOY” wow. That scene showed a lot of emotion, not only did it show Kendall’s narcissistic personality and disregard for the actual eldest brother Connor; it also showed his desperation to finally become CEO.
When i heard that, I was legit shocked. He completely lost it, he could've said anything to convince that he's the right person for the job but went to a fatal direction because of his greed and stupid ego by discrediting the real actual eldest son who has been interested in politics from a very young age
@@800Ms-k6n Plus, it just sounded so immature. Them acting like children when they're just fooling around in the kitchen is one thing. But Kendall truly being a petulant, entitled child inside while trying to run the company doesn't work.
He shouldn't have gone to chase Shiv's vote, he should have stayed in the room wait for Shiv to make her own decision, it is most likely that Ken staying in the room would have shown some dignity and self respect and that could have steered Shiv in that last moment to vote NO. But no the 2 brothers had to go down to chase her un push her, of course she was gonna vote against what the brothers (especially Ken) wanted.
@Jesus Yeah I totally agree. When I was watching it, I was focusing more on how Ken was acting than what he was saying. It was easy to see how he made the wrong play by chasing Shiv, but I understand at the same time; to be this close to finally getting what he wanted just to have it taken away all of a sudden- story of his life
I cannot stop rewatching this scene. The execution from the camerawork, writing, sound, editing and acting is flawless. Four seasons building to this moment, it’s like a great sense of catharsis I get
@@billyobfas6962 exactly, and I suppose that is what it’s always been about. In the beginning, Kendall was the heir apparent but the second Roman and Shiv (at some point) get the chance at it too and with Logan’s approval thinking they stand a chance, it revolves into children fighting over who gets to play with the toy
@@billyobfas6962 This finale is nothing about the siblings bringing each other down. It's literally about how they are useless and them acting important and "running stuff" is just smoke and mirrors
I think is hilarious that Roman also realized Kendall lost it and sided with Shiv in the end. His final words of them being bullshit were so true, Roman was never a serious person and he knew that but he also only wanted to be on top because of his father, him coming to terms that he can live free and without the pretense of it while also realizing putting Kendall on top would just make him go through "Logan Roy" again probably made everything more clear for him, he left the series drinking a martini and what it seemed like a shitton of emotions in one second, but mainly one of relief Kendall on the other hand is probably the worse case in the end, him being prepared since he was 7 to take the company and basically making it all of his life and failing is the biggest tragedy in the show, he wasnt bargaining and begging for power and money, he was ultimately begging for finally having a reason to exist, it actually changes the whole show and it made so much sense why he could never just do other stuff like Roman, Shiv and Connor did with theirs, even after every public stunt and drama he caused, he always only wanted one thing, to be the CEO Logan literally ruined his favorite and most beloved son by giving him a life mission that now he will never be able to achieve, he groomed Kendall into being a king and now theres no kingdom anymore, he was left with only the riches hes always had so in the end he truly was left with nothing to live for
great analysis but to me that sounds like that best thing in the world. self-inflicted pain from someone too stupid to see they’re already winning 🥴. perfect ending
I think Roman had doubts from the start, just like Shiv, but in a parallel to season one he was too afraid to go against Kendall, just like how he was afraid to go against Logan. He only started talking back to Kendall when he realized Shiv was firmly on his side
i hope kendall comes to terms w it in the future tho and realize he was becoming his own dad and this saved him. he was already hurting his siblings physically, and was already an absent fatehr having doubts himself if he is a good dad. Ken cant see it rn, but turning CEO would destroy him and if his words are true, that he does everything for his kids, then they should be his reason to live. now he has even more riches to ensure they have their entire life sorted out and have time to spend w them.
Kendall saying “which?” Is such a beautifully dark comedic line. You don’t feel like you can laugh given the context, but that’s just the essence of the show, isn’t it?🤣
Logan was the worst person. Did he deserve ? I am sorry Kendall was deserving and so was Shiv. They did fine unfortunately their father never let them both get to the top. So sad. Main villain is Logan Roy
@@mr_coffee9917 for better or for worse, it was Logan's by default, he made the company and knew how to play the game, Tom was pretty much right when he said he never seen Logan get fucked but he has seen Kendall screw up a thousand times, in the end Logan would had probably picked Tom anyway, he is family, hes gonna have a direct blood relative son and despite everything in the end Tom actually works and succeds at his job.
Deserving isn’t about feelings. Shiv and Kendall didn’t get it because they didn’t play the game and business is business in their world. It’s tragic and I’m so sad for the characters but none of them deserved the role
The way she laughs and said "You're not!" to him yelling he's the eldest boy. That was so true to a real life argument. Sarah Snook needs an Emmy (so does Kieran).
This is the perfect ending. Neither of the siblings deserved it. The whole cycle of toxicity of not being able to accept your own brother/sister to be successful instilled into them via their dad Logan has always been apparent. In the election episode Shiv pleaded with them not to call it yet they still did and now its come back to bite Kendall. Logan was right, they are not serious people.
he was asking to be slapped. And it feels true to Roman because this pattern of punishment was something that Logan always did to him, and Kendall basically IS Logan in this scene
@@lucaspsm125 kendall always being the one to defend his brother or children from his dad but attacking roman (not that he didn’t deserve it) and violently grabbing his pregnant sister to stop her from taking the thing he wants is PERFECT. really it all boils down to his desire to feel powerful and with the vacuum logan left, you see him go from being the one to defend his family from logan’s violence to actually hurting roman (more than just the brotherly bitch fights they’ve had before 🥴) and trying to hurt shiv. which definitely threw me off guard but makes a lot of sense. the one thing he had going for him in terms of actually protecting or taking for of his siblings/kids was his defensiveness against logan’s occasional physical violence. and seeing him simultaneously throw a fit that cost him shivs vote (which could’ve easily been swayed) while stooping to hurting roman more than we ever saw logan do and trying to hurt his pregnant sister is a perfect ending for his chracter. he like logan in all the wrong ways. just as privileged and selfish without any of the skill logan had in maintaining power in business or family. he’s exactly like logan in none of the ways that he wants to be but ultimately proves him right. kendall wasn’t good enough to be ceo. too emotional and failed at negotiating back his life-long dream.
The show started with Kendall getting so close to becoming CEO, only to have it taken away at the last moment, and here he is again. The story about Logan telling Kendall he would take over - when he was just 7 years old - was so heartbreaking.
@@officialthomasjames no because Tom won and Tom is the goat. Even tho ken lost he is free of the loop of losing and Tom wss the best character who could win after Kendall so it was pretty good
@@officialthomasjames do not watch succession for the story. It’s four seasons of the kids being auditioned for the top job and betraying each other and also failing to get the top job. You watch the show for the dialogue and acting
Roman bringing up the bloodline was the final straw. He had been saving that up for a long time and finally hit Ken where it hurts when he played the eldest boy card. What a great ending to a chaotic show
I pity all of them. Their parents were two real pieces of work, and this was never going to end any other way. All of them will be supremely enriched by this sale, but none of them will be free. They’ve been hard wired to want more and more and more.
It's poetic justice that none of them ended up being CEO. It was so pathetic listening to them argue why each one of them should be CEO. Especially "Dad promised me when I was 7."
The entire show is full of sociapaths outside of Jerri, Kendall's assistant, and Logans security guard were the only egoless people from the entire show. This is why Kendall was so hurt when his assitance decided to leave house, because technically she was the only pure soul he had in his life, even still his sociapath ways tarnished both that relationship and the remaining of his kids and ex dynamic. Great writing
“I don’t think you’d be good at it” you can just see the pettiness and their inner children coming out. Still little kids trying to get their daddy’s attention and get called favorite even though he passed. It’s a brilliant scene especially with Kendal’s desperation coming out
she's right though, he'd be horrible at it. that living+ is proof, and every scene where we get to hear Kendall's ideas it's all technobabble nonsense buzzwords.
@@ororomunroe4055Kendall was no longer on the mood of exchanging insults after what Roman said about his children, he was ready to punch him. Beside he already called him a cock, showing how low he thinks about Roman.
It was so sad to see them fighting like this, verbally and physically, after the way they had been this episode. Them joking around during the midnight swim, mucking around and being such children in the kitchen, and comforting eachother when watching the videos of Logan. And then to this where there’s so much anger and jealousy and hatred. I was so happy seeing them work together for a common goal and then it all blew up 😢
Two sides of having siblings, and they showed minutes from each other. It's playful, nostalgic, and cute when it's having a "meal fit for a king" ... ...But also many scars of being bullied or teased and physically abused for the sake of disdain or jealousy.
@@Okayand33 That's why I personally think it's a good thing they all finally got out of that boardroom tbh. Because that was basically the spirit of their dad / the core of the whole toxic dynamic between them. Logan continuously pitching them against each other so he could keep his crown,
Very irritating Roman had already voted no Sic just went along and betrayed him And Roman Roman😒 Never has a stand of his own, just like Connor except he acts like his a man of himself and he can make big decisions
The kitchen scene showing that deep down, they're still kids who just wants to hang out together and have fun. The Board Room is their final wake up call because they don't realize there are a lot of adults watching them fighting like kids in different room. And the worst part is, their mother will never know if they are torn apart and she barely care to any of them when she is their mother who should look up and care of well being. They don't have a reasonable adult to guide them through entire life, they will forever lost to be the kids who trapped in adult's body. The old guards are just their dad's trustworthy people not their parental figure and they mostly always disrespecting them.
I love the shots from outside of the room that get interspersed throughout the scene. Really puts into perspective how much of a spectacle Kendall is making the whole situation out to be.
@@jivet3919Siobhan couldn't stand to let him win, since she felt sidelined in favour of him her entire life. Roman seemed hurt when Kendall pretended the thing he told them about the waiter's death was fake. And he had already shown doubt earlier the same episode, which is when Kendall opens up his stitches.
@@jivet3919 idk about that-even Logan said in Italy, "if I don't take a good deal, what's the point of doing anything?" If anything, voting against the deal just to keep your vanity status as an executive, and screwing over shareholders, would be more greedy and self-interested.
The number one boy almost made it. Almost. Did shiv save him or kill him? We wouldn’t ever know. All we know is- he made his whole life about the top job. It was promised to him when he was 7. Except the company he has nothing. No kids, no wife, no dad, no friends, no partner, - just Colin. A perfect completion of the tragic arc of Kendall Roy. Jeremy Strong, you are such a fucking legend for playing him this well. A Lady Macbeth kinda person, with a serious but childish demeanour, comical and tragic at the same time.
Wasn’t Kendall right from the start of the show? Buy tech (vaulter) and invest your content in it. The tech (Mattsson) bought them instead whilst losing ATN. Both vaulter and Mattsson had bad numbers/fake number which could be worked through. It seems to me that they had the answer for all their business growth problem from the start. (I copy and pasted this, just curious if somebody has a take on this)
@@Eziopct Kendall was great on ideas, horrible at execution. Got in his own way (the manslaughter) and his father was always sabotaging, gaslighting, psychologically abusing. He seems like such an underdog, because of all the abuse he took, but still kept trying. I think that's why so many people pull for him...BUT, he jus kept getting more and more abusive like his father...they both did, but didn't have their father's skillset so people like Shiv, Carl, Gerry, Frank punched back and told both of them they didn't have it.
@@amberlisa7365 Ken Doll should have died in the sense that the audience should no longer carry a torch for him- in the hug scene (you know)- but lots of weird people (I want to say guys, but unfortunately I think even some woman have expressed their appreciation for him) in the comment sections seem to think otherwise...
I love Sarah Snook’s small inflections on Shiv’s voice and her facial expressions. That small ‘wuhhhh’ at 2:20 is so good. Really small thing but it humanises her character, it’s a relatable thing and I’ve never seen other actors add stuff like that before.
i think it was just too much at that point, to roman either kendal killed the killed and is lying about it now or he lied about killing a kid back then which is an almost even more psychotic thing to do
@@arizansbergerstein1860 Yes, because he knew Kendall lied and the fact that he was willing to take that back just to secure his seat as CEO put Roman off
I think Roman was put-off before Kendall's denial of the auto accident. His behavior during the board meeting was telltale sign to me. Also, I thought that he and Shiv's anointing of Kendall as CEO was grudgingly given by the both of them. I thought that either one of then could have flipped, but Shiv had more at stake.@@feyrol42
@@feyrol42I actually think that Roman had misgivings during the board vote. His hesitation allowed Shiv to leave the room without casting her vote. Kendall's "false memory" of his auto accident allowed Roman to completely change his mind about giving Kendall the CEO position, but at this point in the story, he had already voted NO to the deal. There were two people to the right of Shiv or the left of Frank that had not cast their votes when Shiv left the board room. She may have had general idea how those two people had planned to vote.
I think Shiv did what she did because while Tom's betrayal's is hurtful for her, is not nearly as much as Kendall becoming Logan's successor over her. These three were competing all their lives for this, to be seen as worthy of Logan's legacy, which is the only way he could ever respect them, and maybe show some love. Let's be real, do you really think she gives a shit about the dead waiter? These three love each other, but they were raised to compete against each other, and they can't stand to see each other win. As much as some of us might hate Shiv for doing this, I can't say I don't see Kendall doing the same if the roles were reversed. Roman's the only who's finally starting to break free.
Lol no he is not. He got drunk and was laughing alone at the bar because Shiv and Kendall like him are not CEO. He is celebrating that yes he didn’t win but they all lost.
She knew he couldn't be CEO, and when he ask her she threw the first random idea she had, had he sit down and spoke to them about that she would have had more confidence, or perhaps trow more reasons why he should not be CEO so he can defend himself con convince her, some people need to be convinced and reinforced ... it's actually the first thing you learn in customer service, if someone is upset let them vent, let them know you understand, give them assurance and when finishing the interaction reinforce or reiterate the reasons why it was positive aka what you did for them
@@laum5371 Exactly. SHE doesn’t care about the waiter either, just throwing out the first thing that came to mind (that it was a valid concern is strictly coincidental with these people).
Kendall is the definition of "Shooting yourself in the foot" as he keeps failing over and over again because of his insecurity and ego. Just when we think "Oh, he's gonna win this time.", he fails again. He's the type of person who will hide if he got bitten by a zombie in zombie apocalypse or the person who will press the self destruct button in spaceship or submarine when he's on emergency situation.
she prevented Kendall from becoming Logan as long as Logan was. But let's see if he can live with that. (I think he will be fine with his billions from the deal).
bittersweet? kendall was just bitter. There wasn't anything in his eyes. Shiv wanted control. And that's what the finale led to. She wants to pretend to be a player. Always playing her pretend game of thrones.
@@lucaspsm125 I don't think he's over their relationship (unless he kills himself or never forgives Shiv). It was more likely that he would end his relationship with his brothers, with Rava and his children if he had been crowned.
One of the greatest scenes in TV drama history. And can we give a round of applause to these three incredible actors? The pressure was on… but they smashed it….
Logan made a mistake to promise them one by one the CEO title so they all thinking, "I'll get it because he told me too." That also happening to Logan and Ewan, his older brother that they both are like competing with each other. Although Ewan is mostly prefer peaceful life as he's retired and also being the investor of the company, Logan still thinking that he's should be going and doesn't want to be retire. That's why Ewan told everyone on his eulogy that Logan made the people around him corrupted and you can see the shock on his kids' face after he said that. That's why you always noticed that Logan is mostly scared to Ewan because Ewan knows him better than everybody. Logan was still feeling guilty for Rose's death even though it wasn't his fault. Ewan even told Greg to get out from the company but it's too late because Greg is also becoming like them, corrupted and greedy. Ewan is so pissed to Greg, he even took all of his inheritance money to donate to Greenpeace.
This scene is amazing and heartbreaking at the same time and what I love about it is that how Roman defended Shiv. Logan was violent towards him his whole life and Kendall was there to defend him and now that Logan is gone and Kendall was turning into Logan and violent towards him and their sister, Roman defended her verbally and physically, something he would never have done against his father.I may be reading too much into it, I just loved how protective he was at that moment.
So correct, Kendall shoved Shiv (whilst Roman made some terrible comments, he was already wobbly, then Kencall crushed his head wound whilst kissing him - reinforcing Logans abuse). Once he saw Kendall push Shiv (whilst she's pregnant) he finally was able to stand up & the "we're all bullshit" line solidified his acceptance that they needed freedom from the company & their dad
@Kitty right?!! He was already siding with Shiv but the moment Kendall pushed her, he made up his mind, he knew even though Kendall's life purpose was to be the successor, he wasn't fit to be it. Kinda sad, I love the new gen Roys.
@@jlopink is a joke right?? Shiv and Roman allways been shitty towards Ken, never sided with him, NEVER in the entire show, in the first season, when he was about to overthrow his father Roman switched sides, fantastic, then we have Shiv… good god save us from a sister or wife like her, Kendall never had help or support, both of them support whoever but Ken, which is sad, I would had lost it time ago..
@@kittycattt93Shiv was being petty for no logical reason...and she also knew if she won the sibling rivalry, her husband will end up being the CEO. It was a win-win.
@@donotreplydumbpeople3866 Exactly. Kendall was maybe too much fanatic about the job, but that doesn't make him a worse CEO than Lucas. He would really care about the company. She just preferred to destroy, obliterate relationship with his brother, for stupid reasons. And it's not the power - Tom was supposed to be just a puppet. Not for money, because she really was rich. It was just because she couldn't stand his brother be a CEO. I really hate what she did.
I saw the moment Shiv knew she couldn’t vote for Kendall. It was when Kendall put his feet up on the desk and bro-insulted Stewie. It was everything she hates. The privilege, his smugness, his overbearing insecurity. She knew right then she would have to vote against him. And Roman really only gave him half-approval. His “Nnnoope” was nearly childish, forced out. And his final assessment of Kendall and all of them, while pithy, was also spot on. They really are “bs.” What do they make? Roller coasters and racism, as Roman said back in Season 1. A grand finale and perfect summation episode of all of the show. Thank you to all involved. You made appointment television a great thing again
You mean when he flirted with Stewie? She changed her mind AT THE VERY LAST MOMENT because she couldn't stand seeing Kendall win. She literally admits it "I can't stomach you." They're jealous children and winning CEO means winning Dad's love. Except Shiv behaved just like Logan here -- promising Kendall the role before ripping it away. She's insane for how it went down, not for resenting Kendall. Her last minute choice was selfishly motivated. Shiv apologists need to stfu.
The Distance that Connor kept from all of them while they were watching that clip of their father in tears.... Now thats someone who truly won in the end.
God the writing is so incredible and acting. All 3 are hugely narcissistic and layered with trauma yet they are so compelling, interesting and provoke some sort of sympathy that you can't help but feel rage, fear and sadness for their decisions.
To be honest, if Ken just owned up to killing the waiter, there’s a shot he could’ve convinced Shiv to change her mind. But as soon as he lied and basically turned into his dad, calling it NRPI, it was game over for him.
@@Emy-fv5ny She was clearly still deciding what to do, Ken saying he lied about the waiter just cinched it and also turned Roman against him completely.
She couldn’t care less about the waiter or if Kendall actually kill him or if it was pure accident. It was pure spite. She says it very clearly herself. She couldn’t stomach him winning over her.
@@Emy-fv5ny Not really. Ken killing a person is a huge mark against him as it shows how careless and reckless he can be. Not to mention also shows how much a problem his struggles with addiction can be.
That haunting guitar that pierces the argument when Ken attacks Roman made me absolutely sick. It’s like the primal nature of the rivalry between these siblings just erupted into real bloodlust. Terrifying.
I couldn’t believe what I was watching. The moment that started play, I actually started to feel unwell. Watching Ken take it out in Roman because he knows he’s fucked it was just incredible. For an instant I thought he might’ve tried to kill him.
In the Frog and Scorpion story, the scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, both would sink, and the scorpion would drown. The frog then agrees, but midway across the river, the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks why, the scorpion says that it is his nature. Tom was right about Shiv. She is a scorpion; even though she will also lose the business she still betrays Kendal. Because losing the company is worse than losing the position to Kendal. But, Shiv was also right when she called Tom a snake.
They're all doomed to lose anyways. Shiv becoming like her mother, Roman being lost , and Kendall going deeper in rock bottom because of his decision to throw away the last bit of humanity he has left to get a chance. Best ending imo.
@@ac-ye6sfshe is the scorpion on the back of the frog. And Tom will get tired of her and get a new woman in a couple of years . Shiv will end up exactly like her mother.
@@IvaN-cf7qt projecting fr. all of that is of your own creation and has nothing to do with the actual show. and yea ofc shivs gonna lose, she’s also a selfish idiot. but in the final power play against each other she was the one with the advantage and used it to kick them after she’d already made up her mind. they all walked away from mattson and menchken having lost or given away all of their leverage and when that comes to a head with this argument where shiv has the power and agency she wants so desperately, she plays her losing hand perfectly. finally getting the chance to fuck over/feel powerful over her brothers just to use that to sentence herself to her own shitty ending. perfect ending for all of them.
That is why this series is a masterpiece. As I remember, Tom said to Kendall, “I never saw Logan getting f**ked” which is a freaking horrifying thing because even in death, Logan Roy still won. Feel sad about Kendall though, he was almost at the top. Just a pinch. 😢 For Shiv and Tom though, how the turntables 😂… and for Rome, I am happy for him that he got out, it was killing him.
That's what I'm saying even in death he still is ruling shit like TF best series I have watched in a very long time!!! Next too Resident Alien and Manifest
Even when Logan is dead, somehow I can still feel his presence. It felt like he's keeping an eye on the sibling to prove his point. His shadow is insanely big that you can still feel him even when he's dead
One thing this show does better than any other I’ve seen is how it chooses to reveal information. Even in this scene (arguably the climax of the entire show!!), Roman reveals that Kendall may or may not be infertile, and that Logan told Roman he didn’t think Kendall should take over because his kids are illegitimate. (Doesn’t matter if it’s true, this just hammers in the point that Logan never thought Kendall should take over) Another piece of information that’s revealed earlier this episode is that when Kendall is 7 years old, Logan promised him the company. It takes balls to hold onto information about characters like that until the literal very end, and it’s moments like that that are going to make rewatches of this show even better. Absolute Kino, absolute gold. This show is everything
Someone made a very good point about how there are literally NO flashback scenes in the whole show. It lets the audiece harvest information themselves and often even just infer stuff. The backstory of Kendall's children being a prime example right until the very end.
@@AlexMcMonniesI would have killed for some righteous gemstones style flashback episodes but the way they did it was amazing too. They felt like real people with real histories
Logan never thought that Kendall shouldn't take over. He had Kendall's name on his will -- not Roman's or Shiv's. The showrunner, Jesse Armstrong, also confirmed that he underlined Kendall's name on the paper. If anything, it's just Logan being unable to accept that he had an autistic grandson
Logan in the first episode: " I changed my mind " - and prevents Kendall from being the CEO. Shiv in the last episode: " I might have changed my mind " - prevents Kendall from being the CEO, again. He was never destined to have the top job. You assume he will eventually win, he has to win, but when you look at it, he is trapped in a cycle of repetition. PERFECT writing.
I truly hated Shiv in that moment. I should have seen it coming cause a cunt's gonna cunt as was stated before, but holy shit did it catch me off guard that time. They're all bad people regardless though, but Shiv is something else.
That's the nature of Kendall's character: Every time they make Kendall is on fire and almost gets what he wants, he always fails because he's always shooting himself in the foot. His insecurity and childishness is his true enemy. Not his siblings, not his dad, not Mattson, not Tom but it's himself. Tom even told him that he's always fail. Also, it's ironic that Kendall is the eldest of the 3 but he's also the most childish of them all. They are all still childish and immature but Kendall is always double down everything by showing how childish and immature he is. On that room with transparent glass, he was the only one who raised his voice, screamed and yelled and begged like a child! Also, his siblings are terrified and confused because how unhinged he is. And the fact that he has an audicity to go back to adjourn the meeting only for Frank said that it's 7-6 for Gojo Deal and leave the building like a true sore loser is his final nail in the coffin.
I told the person I was watching it with - I don’t know if I’d choose my brother or my husband in that situation either. The second she found out it was Tom, it was a real Sophie’s choice for her. I think I’d go with Tom, too, but it’s painful to watch
@@alicetoyou448 Good point. I mean, although it's kind of obvious, I hadn't really thought of her decision like that, and I think it explains why she's conflicted more than a lot of takes here. I don't think she would have hesitated if Tom wasn't part of the equation.
@@19thDecadePig Exactly! She was fully behind Ken when it was them versus just a random CEO. The waiter thing was a throwaway excuse as a smokescreen because we all know she can’t admit to her real feelings for Tom and her child. I’m a dark way, it’s a declaration of love in the only language Shiv can speak (voting for him in a board meeting lol), which we know Tom understands with the last scene between them.
2:06 Kendall saying WHICH!? when Shiv says about the murder...then saying he is "totally clean" and then TOTALLY losing it... in those glass windows with the whole board seeing....man, he was so doomed already.
Kendall trying to convince them that he didn’t actually kill that waiter is what made Roman switch. Seeing that Kendall would literally say anything or lie about killing someone to get the job.
The shots from them outside the glass office, with everyone hearing them yell. It's incredibly cringe and frustrating, imagine being in what would be an insanely high-level assistant role having to witness all that go on and just wait for these clowns who are (for now) your bosses.
Not Matthew, I’m afraid. But if Brian, Jeremy and Kieran will all aubmit for the main lead category, then Matthew can definitely win the supporting male lead. Sarah will win. She so deserves it.
@@idontcare2851 just because she's a "nasty woman" in your eyes doesn't mean she can't get an Emmy nom. Just because Joker got nominated for best picture doesn't mean people support Joker killing 7 (or so) people and inspiring hundreds to do thousands
He had it. He had it even when Shiv walked out of the room. Roman was still on his side at that point and I truly think they would have probably strong armed her into voting Kendall’s way. It was only when he backtracked on his story about the waiter that he not only completely lost Shiv for good but also lost Roman too. At that point he was done.
I disagree! Roman's No vote allowed Shiv to get up from the table. It had to have been the weakest corporate endorsement ever. When Roman told Shiv "why don't you just go back into that room and vote", it came across to me as if he did not care which way that she voted. Glad that you used "strong armed her into voting Kendall's way." Shiv is probably used to it from her older brothers and was sick of it. If they maintained control of the company, they were not going to offer Shiv anything and she knew it. Logan wanted the company sold and that is what she did ---- as her father, who built the company, WISHED.
No, I don't think so. Ever since Logan told her she could be the one, Shiv's ego grew to the size of Jupiter. When she initially accepted to back Kendall she was doing as a coping technique. A sort of "I'm still on top of this so out of sight, out of mind". When the time came Shiv couldn't do it since she thinks that means she lost to her brother. It's like the two of them wanted to play with the same toy and she destroyed it so neither can have it. Honestly, the ending is incredibly satisfying and realistic. Logan raised his kids to be a pack of ravaging wolves. The moment he died they began to turn on each other.
@@annkey4091umm if u watch the same show as me its pretty fuckin clear that none of the 4 siblings want to actually run a media cimpany exept for kendall He was meant to get it if anyone of them was to become the CEO he was hands down the best at it Ge actually wanted to run a company and not just want daddys approval and acceptance like shiv and roman Jen wanted it too but wanted the company as well Shiv nomatter what u say just couldn't stand her brothers winning She was a jealous prick is and always will be a jealous prick Fuck her
she’s finally like logan in this scene. twisting the knife when she finally had power over her brothers and staying in the room/argument after making up her mind just to kick him.
fantastic ending, none of the siblings deserved it, ken really killed the last drop of dignity with that "i lied" line. Tom being ceo is absolute poetic justice.
Something I took away from this scene is when Ken denies killing the waiter he’s admitting he’s not a killer and as Logan said “you have to be a killer”. Not sure if that was intentional
it's that dichotomy between being a real killer but not a business killer that Logan also talked about. In this moment he becomes a true cold blooded killer by denying he's a real one
It’s more so that he is weak. He just denied it to try to convince Shiv to vote for him. At that point it’s like “well, Ken will say and/or do anything to become CEO.”
The thing is, Logan's "you have to be a killer" isn't absolute truth. It's not the "He'll never change" forshadowing of Better Call Saul. Logan's quote is his philosophy, his life experience, but's not applicable to everyone. Kendall has prove himself near the end that he can play killer if he really want to, but unlike Logan who has nearly perfect track record, he has plenty vulnerabilities that people can exploit, and his decision-making is much too impaired by his narcissism and impatience. If he wants to follow Logan advise to "be a killer", he has always have been a killer, which he isn't. He had a bit of time when he was finding his own way, trying to find and make his own advantages shine (they landed the deal with PGN from his final call), but then Logan's draft will was discovered and once again he go back to Logan's failing advise.
I commented a bunch of times already, that’s how much this show means to me. After reading a NYT article interviewing Tom’s and Greg’s actors about the finale, I realized that, in a way, Shiv and Roman just couldn’t stand to see another Logan. Sure there were other aspects of Shiv’s betrayal, such as the toxicity of their relationship, and Kendall’s mental break, but when she says “I can’t stomach you,” I feel like the sibs are also just saying “no” to another Logan. Because that’s essentially who Kendall has become.
So many different ways to interpret. Could be because he kept being so dismissive of her, only talking to Rome, could be because of Mencken who definitely was gonna be anti-Shiv, could have been No to another Logan, and if that was it, can you blame her?
@@amberlisa7365 Yeah, people are mad at Shiv but forget what Kendall and Rome did to her by shutting her out and essentially pushing her towards Mencken. Hell Ken even betrayed Roman the same episode when they became co-CEOs. The fact is that none of them could support one another as CEO except for maybe Roman.
Lol no they desperately wanted another Logan, they couldn't stomach Ken cause he was their direct competition as their blood brother. The 2 were in denial about it but within they always knew Daddy had him penciled in as the heir apparent ever since they were children, even had his name down on the outdated Will document. In reality Ken couldn't have managed to walk even a step in Logan's shoes, what a baffling misinterpretation.
This ep was a masterpiece Kendall putting his trust in his siblings and yet they couldnt stomach seeing him at the top…..wanted kendal to win but it is what it is
@@Emy-fv5ny eh thats a a little bit of a misread. tom being the new ceo factors in but ultimately she did it because she finally has an ounce of power over her brothers and took advantage of it. she felt like she was losing either way and she was clearly on the fence. but her and kendall’s fight is perfect because he did a bad job at convincing her when she was obviously still in the fence and by the end, it seemed like she was only still in the room listening to him to keep kicking him. she lost for ceo either way, but she knew it wasn’t fair for him to win so did the most logan thing she could’ve in the situation and fucked them both over. she’s not an idiot, she understood she could have more power by voting yes and keeping family control but she would rather lose in her own way and not just hand kendall something she wants and doesn’t think he deserves. especially cause he’s already proven that he’ll fuck her over, lie to her, betray her. best decision she could’ve made in the end. gaining some power over her brothers while still losing in her own way
One more compliment about Sarah Snook’s facial expressions lol. At 3:10, Shiv looks EXACTLY like Logan when she denies Kendall. Even says “no” and has the same head shake as Logan. I might be looking too into it but I find it funny Kendall begging Shiv for approval just like she was Logan.
When he said "that didn't happen" he lost the game. When he said "I AM THE ELDEST BOY" he lost his dignity. And when he attacked Roman and Shiv, he lost everything.
@@aitothechamp7263 Yea she did it out of spite.... This show is one of the greatest tragedies of our time... But nonetheless the ending is still devastating and beautiful at the same time.
@@anniebox9589 I don't think he betrayed him more like changed his mind when Kendall denies killing the waiter...but yeah some of it is spite because their all terrible people
Kendall shouting "I'M THE ELDEST BOY" reminds me of that conversation he had with Logan when he was trying to take over Waystar the first time, where Logan asked Kendall point blank what he plans on doing with the company and Kendall can't give him a straight answer. It's quite tragic seeing the conclusion of his arc - someone devoting their entire adult life towards achieving something for the sole reason of "because my dad said so."
Kendall showed his true colours when he denied ever having been involved in the death of the waiter. That was his lowest point and in the space of about 30 seconds he shows how truly pathetic he is. He's beyond help or redemption after this point.
Yeah, it shows that when it comes down to it, he’s willing to sacrifice everything to get what he wants. In that sense , he’s exactly like Logan. No morals, no care for his family, as long as he wins
Considering this I honestly think Kendall deserved worse than he got. Shiv's betrayal may end up being a blessing in disguise because she essentially freed both Kendall and Roman from becoming Logan 2.0. They got the money now, they can fuck off and start over, while she's still trapped.
@@gezenews He being actually responsible or not isn't the point. The point is he FELT responsible because it was a death that could have been prevented had he made better judgement: not seeking drug the night before a big show, not DUI, not putting the waiter in backseat, etc. But he couldn't see it coming anyway, but he always made bad decisions (the waiter asked what if he really want to kidnap him, because Ken was in very vulnerable position that night). But no, the point of the kid's death is that it brings out the human in people. If you're walking on the street and push someone to the side because they're in your way, and right after that a rock fall from the construction site above and kil them, you will feel awful if not outright traumatic. It's not your fault but you were a contributor to situation that leads to their death, and also they die right in front of your face. And Ken, he has humanity, more than Logan ever did. The rest of them see that as NRPI, and in extent we as audience see it like that too because character isn't real, but Ken is definitely fked up from that. Yet, every single time he had a glimsp, a promise of the sit, he goes into this Logan mode and just disregard all the humanity in him. He's always been a narc jackass, but his vulnerability is what people root for, and it's what bring them together in the end last season. But now, he just someone disregarding is vulnerability just to get his way.
Him killing the kid was always the one thing that kept reminding us that Kendall was a human with emotions/regret. So, the fact he was willing to throw that last bit of humanity away for the chair speaks volumes, and I think Roman and Shiv realized that
“I’M THE ELDEST BOY” the conheads are not gonna love this
he needs to be taken into account
Conhead here - in regards to our position on this issue: if it is to be said, so it be, so it is
@@sineadoconormcG that goes unsaid
I wonder if that was what triggered Roman to bring up Kendall's "kids."
@@jec3169 it was apparently always there, that's why taking over the company was so important to ken ..
Connor had it figured out. The only way to "win" this game is to not even play it. Look at how miserable the rest of siblings are.
Exactly, Connor was the ultimate winner.
I dunno, it was kinda sad how Con came to the conclusion that he didn't need love after years of being in a one-sided relationship that was only happening because of his (dad's) money.
@@deathbastardable Yeah, "he basically purchased a person and is trying to keep her in a castle" as Kieran Culkin said in some interview, not really winning at life. But he's probably best off of the bunch.
@@deathbastardable Yeah that's true, he had to create a delusion to keep him sane. But I guess out of the bunch, he came out "ahead".
This is what I kept asking from early on... Why do they even want this? Go take your millions and do whatever you want with your life. Start your own company... so many people don't have nearly the means to do something like that. (Hell of a show, though.)
I'm amazed at how many people seem to miss that none of Logan's children are "worse" than the other. They are all shades of the man's worst characteristics. The tragedy isn't that none of them become CEO. The tragedy is in the swimming and the kitchen, where we see that they could have truly been a family that loved and supported one another except for one problem: They're Logan Roy's kids.
I’d argue Shiv is the worst since she’s the only one that clearly doesn’t love them. Look at the faces she’s making here
@@billyobfas6962 u get an a+ in totally missing the point
@@billyobfas6962 Shiv is REALLY spiteful and unlikable with the faces...it's like she is stabbing Kendall with a knife and twisting it so he will really bleed out, but Cotygeek is right, they are all terrible in different ways. The things Rome says to people...the way he treated that kid season 1? Who abuses and publicly humiliates kids for kicks? Romulus. His father called him a sicko...he is...and his dad made him that way.
Exactly! Imagine the writers, writing this amazing piece of work so we can all reflect on greed, trauma, capitalism, etc so people end up not getting the point of the show and being Logan’s fans 😅
@@dimitrithomas4019 what is the point, mr einstein? Lol try me. I know more about this show than you
i LOVE that they kept the waiter storyline from the start to the literal end, i hate when something big happens in a show and then it’s forgotten abt next season
Succession has great writers. This is what made it such a great show.
Let’s not forget the foreshadowing at the baseball game. It started with a payoff. Paying people to forget how HORRIBLE they truly are
They totally forgot about the rocket in Japan 😂
@@ledot2037that’s how the world works though.. so an employee lost a finger or two (maybe a hand?) you pay the guy and that’s it. It’s not a company ending or news worthy thing. Has Roman been in the control room perhaps a bigger issue. But he was at a wedding. The media can’t paint him as a huge bad guy for the situation.
@@ledot2037 I wasn’t trying to be rude. Or a smart ass. Just making a conversation about it. Thought you were being serious about wanting them to bring it up again. That’s why I wrote the comment about why they prob didn’t bring it up again. No need for hostility. My apologies if you mistook my comment for being aggressive.
Kendall is one of the most depressing characters in television history.
Wasn’t Kendall right from the start of the show? Buy tech (vaulter) and invest your content in it. The tech (Mattsson) bought them instead whilst losing ATN. Both vaulter and Mattsson had bad numbers/fake number which could be worked through.
It seems to me that they had the answer for all their business growth problem from the start.
(I copy and pasted this, just curious if somebody has a take on this)
It’s funny considering by the end of the series he’s one of the richest people on the planet, just goes to show no amount of money can buy happiness
And tragic
@@Eziopct he was on the right track until that incident with the waiter
Only Jonathan in Buffy might rival him
man, that smile after Shiv says "I just don't think you'd be good at it"... Logan raised his kids to do only one thing and that thing is compete and be terrible towards each other
Her face reminded me a lot of Brian Cox at that moment for some reason.
Just the fact that he promised the company leadership role to all three of them at different points in their lives--he wanted them to be at one another's throats. If he had just been clear in his will that he wanted it to go from eldest to youngest, or that he wanted all three to run it together and vote on things when they disagreed, or that he wanted the company sold immediately and for each of them to profit equally, it would have saved them all some grief. But nooo...
it was disgusting
Yeah exactly, like she would be better? She was struggling to come out with any excuse
This is why the only time Logan respected Kendall was when he grew a pair and stood on the lawsuit. None of them deserved it, they were are silver spoon fed fractions of what Logan raised. Logan said Tom was beneath Shiv, ironically he respected tom 10 times more than any of his kids because of his dedication and work ethic along with his willingness to lay on the sword for the company.
Kendall losing it with his hands just GRIPPING onto Roman’s face like that is one of the most realistic portrayals of rage i’ve seen on television. He has purely lost it right there, no thoughts, just rage
Jeremy Strong ... take a bow
His siblings destroyed his only dream right as he was about to finally realize it. His entire world was shattered in that moment, and I can’t really blame him with the things they were saying. Such a tragic character
I thought he was going to kill him in frustration of shiv.
@Jasmine Marie Murray nah tbh I’m on Kendall’s side, shiv played this card at the last moment and no one was going to convince her otherwise, then Roman does the 2 v 1 stating his kids are randos. Even if he just said it, in the heat of me losing my dream, my sister making ridiculous statements at the hour of the vote, then he mentions my kids aren’t even mine? Nah I’d lose it and most humans would too irrespective to if it makes sense to or not. Even Logan I believe would be massively frustrated.
THIS
What's really interesting about Roman in this scene is at 4:16, when Kendall is attacking him, he doesn't make any attempt to defend himself. Roman keeps his arms at his side while Kendall is tearing at his face, but as soon as Kendall shoves Shiv, Roman springs into action to protect her. This is learned helplessness, where an abused child doesn't defend himself because he feels powerless against his abuser (first his father, now his older brother), but finds strength to protect someone else that they perceive is more vulnerable. Very subtle and well done, in keeping with what we know about this toxic family.
It really reminds of the scene in season 2 episode 6 when Logan hits Roman, Kendall immediatly jumps in Romans defence. This time however he is the one attacking one of his siblings, and Roman the one defending her.
They are all such broken people. It’s truly a modern tragedy.
This and, due to all this abuse, he's a masochist who feels comfortable with people hurting him
Kendall didn't f*cking "abuse" Roman just because they physically fought lmao, both Roman and Shiv were being selfish cunts who destroyed something that could have been decent. They're all self-destructive and selfish, but Kendall was genuinely attempting to solve the situation whereas Shiv and Roman got too caught up in their own feelings of inferiority
I may be overanalyzing it, but you definitely are
Roman not only protected Shiv, he also protected her baby. I'm so glad he yelled out to Kendall she is pregnant
When Kendall says, "That didn't happen," the bottom drops out of everything. His relationship with his siblings, his last shred of dignity, and any chance of him stepping into his father's shoes. Incredible moment.
That was one of the things that he truly opened up to his siblings about. To see him take it all back just ruined their deeper connection and left them all disconnected in the end
It’s so tragic
Why was that so important?
@@diegoalvarez64 Kendall opening up about killing the kid led to them uniting together against Logan, so saying it was a move to manipulate them ruined everything they did together
Really I feel like that's the point, he sorta turned into his dad
shiv releases kendall from the cycle while also condemning him to a life of no purpose, meanwhile she’s trapped with tom. she is not a hero, and it’s not a happy ending for her, or anyone. very poetic and astounding writing. everyone got what they deserved
And Roman is finally free on his family shadows as you can see his smile in the bar scene.
I think it was more of, "If I can't have it, you can't have it either" type energy.
@@lxuaes6915 son ambas cosas 😅
@@lxuaes6915 regardless of motive, she still freed him
Greg didn’t deserve to be safe imo
“I love you but I cannot stomach you” is the most soul wrenching line ever
Like imagine your sibling said that to you like omfg 😭 she's being honest but my god
Who is shiv kidding here ... the only person she has ever loved is herself
Red-headed torrent of spewing horseshit.😡
@@syscopio3452 The show already tells us this. Find a new line 😂
And besides, what Tom meant by that was that she was incapable of showing care (not at all her fault, at least... not entirely), not that she didn't love at all. She "loves" it all, that's why her name means God's Grace- her pride destroyed her, in the end.
As a besides, it's stupid to mock and blame characters that aren't real- what does this do that is GOOD? Nothing.
@@18skeltor thanks for the rant 😆
"I love you but you are not serious people" This is the sentence that surrounds all this tragedy.
That sentence summarizes the whole show
The worst part is, it was the last line from Logan to all of his children
I loved Connor's ending - it was the most perfect ending he could have possibly had, doing the most mundane BS ever but with the most overcomplicated system he could have come up with
And at least he has someone to do it with who truly loves him😊
But it saved Greg. That sticker.
@@jonathanthomas9677 does Willa truly love him though? Willa seemed VERY keen on having a long distance relationship away from Connnor and looked disappointed when Shiv told her that Mencken might not win the election. So the plans of Connor moving away to Slovenia or wherever would not come to fruition.
@@jonathanthomas9677 She definitely doesnt love him, connor knows that. He said he doesn't need love.
100% that was a standout for me 😂
Kendall trying to take back that confession was so cringe inducing, he just kept digging himself down further and further..
The fact Shiv tried to expose him for killed someone but Kendall claimed he made it up is just the worst. What's more embarrasing is, he's going back to Board Meeting room and want to adjourn the meeting and pretend nothing happened! Even though the people saw how he's yelling at his siblings, squisshing Roman's skull and even trying to attack Shiv who's pregnant. Kendall mostly can't read his environment because he is blinded by his ego and arrogance.
Ken never should have admitted it to anyone else. That was weak from him. Shiv didn't even care about it until she saw an opportunity to use it against him.
Also, Shiv leaned on that woman who was going to testify against her family's company. She couldn't care less about that woman and what she witnessed or survived. This whole family is gross. But that's what you find at the top. So what does that say about all of us? What do we really value in this world?
The things you have to do when you have a salty sister lol
If Succession is a tragic farce, then Kendall is the most pathetic character in the series. At times he comes agonizingly close to self-awareness, but never manages it.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth We also see how The Roys are lacking of morality and sympathy because they are too narcisstic and oblivious. Like when Roman wanted to share his traumatic experience from being a hostage in Turkey at Season 2, Kendall and Shiv mocked him instead. When Connor reminded everyone that he is the eldest son, the others three don't give a shit about him. Even when Kendall told the truth of him killing a waiter while crying, Shiv and Roman are confused of how they are supposed to react. Connor even wanted to promote his presidential campaign in Mo's funeral but Willa changed his eulogy and then he delivered the weirdest and awkward eulogy that we ever heard (also give us the clue to Willa's bad writing)
heartbreaking. but i don’t think it could’ve ended any other way
Yeah, completely summarizes what this show is about
I think it could actually end in AAANYY other way, lol. This ending episode was just to shock us and make us mad
@@esser976What else would’ve made sense for the show?
@@esser976 How is it that much of a shock? The entire season has been about Gojo buying Waystar and guess how it ends? Gojo buys waystar
@@esser976 It was actually very predictable if you have been paying attention.
Kendall screaming "I'M THE ELDEST BOY", the entitlement spitting from his mouth. What a great scene. Im gonna miss this show.
for me it was just bad writing, to make Shiv look less bad. Kendall would have never said that but the writers needed him to say that i guess.
@@cainandabel7059 it was perfectly in character... He already said something similar in an earlier episode. The one after he nearly drowned in the pool, when he was getting an intervention from the 3 of them. It is exactly what Kendall thinks of himself.
@@cainandabel7059 He literally said it back in season 3 lmao
Jeremy is outstanding 👏👏👏
He is the eldest out of the three of them who are full siblings while Connor is their half sibling. He was always supposed to take over. Logan told him several times it would be his
roman's tiny "you have no kids" comment while kendall was literally squishing his head was funny lmao
Kendall = the eldest, has kids, has to be CEO, definitely never killed a man.
It was a low blow right after Shivs low blow about something he told them in confidence he should never have told her
He wanted that blow so much, dude was literally asking for it. God he's so pitiable.
Funny???
@@jens2049 i mean yea, this series is hilarious in a very dark way
"half rava, half some filing cabinet guy" absolutely brutal
the other kid is adopted? i didnt get it
Are Kendall’s kids adopted?
@@joaovictorteixeira3294 I assumed he was saying that Rava cheated on him.
I've seen some people saying "filing cabinet guy" means a sperm donor
@@sondushabib9677 Assuming Sophie is adopted. As for Iverson, it wasn't clear before if he was also adopted but based on Roman's words, sounds like IVF with a donor.
“I’M THE ELDEST BOY” wow. That scene showed a lot of emotion, not only did it show Kendall’s narcissistic personality and disregard for the actual eldest brother Connor; it also showed his desperation to finally become CEO.
When i heard that, I was legit shocked. He completely lost it, he could've said anything to convince that he's the right person for the job but went to a fatal direction because of his greed and stupid ego by discrediting the real actual eldest son who has been interested in politics from a very young age
@@800Ms-k6n Plus, it just sounded so immature. Them acting like children when they're just fooling around in the kitchen is one thing. But Kendall truly being a petulant, entitled child inside while trying to run the company doesn't work.
He shouldn't have gone to chase Shiv's vote, he should have stayed in the room wait for Shiv to make her own decision, it is most likely that Ken staying in the room would have shown some dignity and self respect and that could have steered Shiv in that last moment to vote NO. But no the 2 brothers had to go down to chase her un push her, of course she was gonna vote against what the brothers (especially Ken) wanted.
So agree with ken being in the room man, I thought the same that she would have voted for him if he stayed back
@Jesus Yeah I totally agree. When I was watching it, I was focusing more on how Ken was acting than what he was saying. It was easy to see how he made the wrong play by chasing Shiv, but I understand at the same time; to be this close to finally getting what he wanted just to have it taken away all of a sudden- story of his life
I cannot stop rewatching this scene. The execution from the camerawork, writing, sound, editing and acting is flawless. Four seasons building to this moment, it’s like a great sense of catharsis I get
In the end, it’s always been the sibs bringing each other down. Mattson didn’t need to do jack lol
@@billyobfas6962 exactly, and I suppose that is what it’s always been about. In the beginning, Kendall was the heir apparent but the second Roman and Shiv (at some point) get the chance at it too and with Logan’s approval thinking they stand a chance, it revolves into children fighting over who gets to play with the toy
@@billyobfas6962and our boy Wamsgans comes in with his agricultural walk to sweep it all away from them. The Disgusting Brothers supremacy
@@billyobfas6962 This finale is nothing about the siblings bringing each other down.
It's literally about how they are useless and them acting important and "running stuff" is just smoke and mirrors
@@victorvelasco1693 bruh you haven’t been watching the show properly
I think is hilarious that Roman also realized Kendall lost it and sided with Shiv in the end.
His final words of them being bullshit were so true, Roman was never a serious person and he knew that but he also only wanted to be on top because of his father, him coming to terms that he can live free and without the pretense of it while also realizing putting Kendall on top would just make him go through "Logan Roy" again probably made everything more clear for him, he left the series drinking a martini and what it seemed like a shitton of emotions in one second, but mainly one of relief
Kendall on the other hand is probably the worse case in the end, him being prepared since he was 7 to take the company and basically making it all of his life and failing is the biggest tragedy in the show, he wasnt bargaining and begging for power and money, he was ultimately begging for finally having a reason to exist, it actually changes the whole show and it made so much sense why he could never just do other stuff like Roman, Shiv and Connor did with theirs, even after every public stunt and drama he caused, he always only wanted one thing, to be the CEO
Logan literally ruined his favorite and most beloved son by giving him a life mission that now he will never be able to achieve, he groomed Kendall into being a king and now theres no kingdom anymore, he was left with only the riches hes always had so in the end he truly was left with nothing to live for
great analysis but to me that sounds like that best thing in the world. self-inflicted pain from someone too stupid to see they’re already winning 🥴. perfect ending
I think Roman had doubts from the start, just like Shiv, but in a parallel to season one he was too afraid to go against Kendall, just like how he was afraid to go against Logan. He only started talking back to Kendall when he realized Shiv was firmly on his side
They both just prefer anybody else as CEO if they can't have it for themselves, scorched earth.
i hope kendall comes to terms w it in the future tho and realize he was becoming his own dad and this saved him. he was already hurting his siblings physically, and was already an absent fatehr having doubts himself if he is a good dad. Ken cant see it rn, but turning CEO would destroy him and if his words are true, that he does everything for his kids, then they should be his reason to live. now he has even more riches to ensure they have their entire life sorted out and have time to spend w them.
Excellent analysis
Kendall saying “which?” Is such a beautifully dark comedic line. You don’t feel like you can laugh given the context, but that’s just the essence of the show, isn’t it?🤣
I honestly paused like were there murders we missed? 😂
Fantastic scene. Kendall gone absolutely nuts, and shows how Logan was right: none of are serious people, and none of them deserve the top job
Logan was the worst person. Did he deserve ? I am sorry Kendall was deserving and so was Shiv. They did fine unfortunately their father never let them both get to the top. So sad. Main villain is Logan Roy
@@mr_coffee9917 for better or for worse, it was Logan's by default, he made the company and knew how to play the game, Tom was pretty much right when he said he never seen Logan get fucked but he has seen Kendall screw up a thousand times, in the end Logan would had probably picked Tom anyway, he is family, hes gonna have a direct blood relative son and despite everything in the end Tom actually works and succeds at his job.
@@mr_coffee9917 doesnt matter if Logan deserved it or not he build the damn thing, if Ken had what it takes he could do the same but he doesnt
Deserving isn’t about feelings. Shiv and Kendall didn’t get it because they didn’t play the game and business is business in their world. It’s tragic and I’m so sad for the characters but none of them deserved the role
@@mr_coffee9917 daddy issues much?
The way she laughs and said "You're not!" to him yelling he's the eldest boy. That was so true to a real life argument. Sarah Snook needs an Emmy (so does Kieran).
Also so funny how every other time Connor is forgotten, this time it’s immediately called out
Snook needs emmy but Jeremy should get his 2nd emmy instead of keiren ,for his his portrayal as one of the greatest television characters of all time
@@wrestlinginfodude2644 Kieran should get supporting actor.Jeremy can compete in lead actor.
He is the eldest boy out of the three of them though. Connor is only their half brother
@@kathrynorozco5416 Yes but he's Logan's eldest son so any kind of primogeniture argument goes out the window.
4:21 Roman sneaking in the “you have no kids” line is insane 😂
Not a lot of people caught that
@@ImTash.O lots did lol
This is the perfect ending. Neither of the siblings deserved it. The whole cycle of toxicity of not being able to accept your own brother/sister to be successful instilled into them via their dad Logan has always been apparent. In the election episode Shiv pleaded with them not to call it yet they still did and now its come back to bite Kendall. Logan was right, they are not serious people.
Well said ! Logan toxic ass called them pedestrians lol!
Roman and Shiv saw that in the end. "We're nothing."
Tom didn’t deserve it either lol
@Erik Varga not shiv, she is still living in lala land
@@syscopio3452 But with completely different relationship with Tom, quite the opposite what they had in the beginning. Now he will be de boss.
“pair of randos” was crazy i’m surprised ken didn’t smash roman’s head thru the glass window
I remind me of the Mountain and Red Viper
He had it coming for that.
he was asking to be slapped. And it feels true to Roman because this pattern of punishment was something that Logan always did to him, and Kendall basically IS Logan in this scene
Knowing Roman I’d say that might actually turn him on
@@lucaspsm125 kendall always being the one to defend his brother or children from his dad but attacking roman (not that he didn’t deserve it) and violently grabbing his pregnant sister to stop her from taking the thing he wants is PERFECT. really it all boils down to his desire to feel powerful and with the vacuum logan left, you see him go from being the one to defend his family from logan’s violence to actually hurting roman (more than just the brotherly bitch fights they’ve had before 🥴) and trying to hurt shiv. which definitely threw me off guard but makes a lot of sense. the one thing he had going for him in terms of actually protecting or taking for of his siblings/kids was his defensiveness against logan’s occasional physical violence. and seeing him simultaneously throw a fit that cost him shivs vote (which could’ve easily been swayed) while stooping to hurting roman more than we ever saw logan do and trying to hurt his pregnant sister is a perfect ending for his chracter. he like logan in all the wrong ways. just as privileged and selfish without any of the skill logan had in maintaining power in business or family. he’s exactly like logan in none of the ways that he wants to be but ultimately proves him right. kendall wasn’t good enough to be ceo. too emotional and failed at negotiating back his life-long dream.
No joke, “I’m the Eldest Boy” is arguably the most iconic one-liner in the history of the show.
"You can't make a Tomlette without breaking some Greggs" takes the prize for me 😂
The show started with Kendall getting so close to becoming CEO, only to have it taken away at the last moment, and here he is again. The story about Logan telling Kendall he would take over - when he was just 7 years old - was so heartbreaking.
So basically we wasted 4 seasons of TV
@@officialthomasjames 4 seasons of one of the greatest shows ever made can not be called a waste
@@officialthomasjames no because Tom won and Tom is the goat. Even tho ken lost he is free of the loop of losing and Tom wss the best character who could win after Kendall so it was pretty good
@@officialthomasjames do not watch succession for the story. It’s four seasons of the kids being auditioned for the top job and betraying each other and also failing to get the top job. You watch the show for the dialogue and acting
100% right, atleast Roman, connor and Shiv have other things to life. Because of what Logan promised Ken, Kendall now has nothing.
Roman bringing up the bloodline was the final straw. He had been saving that up for a long time and finally hit Ken where it hurts when he played the eldest boy card. What a great ending to a chaotic show
I pity all of them. Their parents were two real pieces of work, and this was never going to end any other way. All of them will be supremely enriched by this sale, but none of them will be free. They’ve been hard wired to want more and more and more.
Exactly......I did not feel that Shiv and Kendall were bad at the work. Both did it fine. Unfortunately Logan fucked both of them sad
@chrisnygonzo121809of course they don't want money
They had more than enough since the beginning it's the power they were after
idk i saw rome pretty satisfied of being free finally. i feel he never really wanted it. just couldnt say it cuz of his pride and ego.
It's poetic justice that none of them ended up being CEO. It was so pathetic listening to them argue why each one of them should be CEO. Especially "Dad promised me when I was 7."
The entire show is full of sociapaths outside of Jerri, Kendall's assistant, and Logans security guard were the only egoless people from the entire show. This is why Kendall was so hurt when his assitance decided to leave house, because technically she was the only pure soul he had in his life, even still his sociapath ways tarnished both that relationship and the remaining of his kids and ex dynamic. Great writing
“I don’t think you’d be good at it” you can just see the pettiness and their inner children coming out. Still little kids trying to get their daddy’s attention and get called favorite even though he passed. It’s a brilliant scene especially with Kendal’s desperation coming out
she's right though, he'd be horrible at it. that living+ is proof, and every scene where we get to hear Kendall's ideas it's all technobabble nonsense buzzwords.
I just noticed that even after being hit by Ken, Roman said a last "you have no kids" just to wrap up🤣
He also said "she's pregnant you piece of sh*t"
Lol but he has no kids either 💀 he can't even have sex, I'm surprised Kendall didn't roast him with that.
@@ororomunroe4055Kendall was no longer on the mood of exchanging insults after what Roman said about his children, he was ready to punch him. Beside he already called him a cock, showing how low he thinks about Roman.
I guess what Roman said about Kendall's kids kind of wraps up people asking all over the internet how come Sophie is his daughter.
@@IvaN-cf7qt lmfao he called him a cuck, not a cock
It was so sad to see them fighting like this, verbally and physically, after the way they had been this episode. Them joking around during the midnight swim, mucking around and being such children in the kitchen, and comforting eachother when watching the videos of Logan. And then to this where there’s so much anger and jealousy and hatred. I was so happy seeing them work together for a common goal and then it all blew up 😢
Two sides of having siblings, and they showed minutes from each other.
It's playful, nostalgic, and cute when it's having a "meal fit for a king" ...
...But also many scars of being bullied or teased and physically abused for the sake of disdain or jealousy.
kids in the kitchen, kids in the boardroom
@@Okayand33 That's why I personally think it's a good thing they all finally got out of that boardroom tbh. Because that was basically the spirit of their dad / the core of the whole toxic dynamic between them. Logan continuously pitching them against each other so he could keep his crown,
Very irritating
Roman had already voted no
Sic just went along and betrayed him
And Roman
Roman😒
Never has a stand of his own, just like Connor except he acts like his a man of himself and he can make big decisions
The kitchen scene showing that deep down, they're still kids who just wants to hang out together and have fun. The Board Room is their final wake up call because they don't realize there are a lot of adults watching them fighting like kids in different room. And the worst part is, their mother will never know if they are torn apart and she barely care to any of them when she is their mother who should look up and care of well being. They don't have a reasonable adult to guide them through entire life, they will forever lost to be the kids who trapped in adult's body. The old guards are just their dad's trustworthy people not their parental figure and they mostly always disrespecting them.
"I false-memoried it" sent me to glory 😂😂😂
Glory? It's sad
I love the shots from outside of the room that get interspersed throughout the scene. Really puts into perspective how much of a spectacle Kendall is making the whole situation out to be.
I was screaming when I watched that.
If I were the people watching in, I'd be like "Sh¡t's about to go down".
He lost it. But all the siblings operated with no reason. Pure greed and jealousy
They're in the playground Logan created for them and the world is watching.
@@jivet3919Siobhan couldn't stand to let him win, since she felt sidelined in favour of him her entire life.
Roman seemed hurt when Kendall pretended the thing he told them about the waiter's death was fake. And he had already shown doubt earlier the same episode, which is when Kendall opens up his stitches.
@@jivet3919 idk about that-even Logan said in Italy, "if I don't take a good deal, what's the point of doing anything?" If anything, voting against the deal just to keep your vanity status as an executive, and screwing over shareholders, would be more greedy and self-interested.
The number one boy almost made it. Almost. Did shiv save him or kill him? We wouldn’t ever know. All we know is- he made his whole life about the top job. It was promised to him when he was 7. Except the company he has nothing. No kids, no wife, no dad, no friends, no partner, - just Colin.
A perfect completion of the tragic arc of Kendall Roy. Jeremy Strong, you are such a fucking legend for playing him this well. A Lady Macbeth kinda person, with a serious but childish demeanour, comical and tragic at the same time.
Wasn’t Kendall right from the start of the show? Buy tech (vaulter) and invest your content in it. The tech (Mattsson) bought them instead whilst losing ATN. Both vaulter and Mattsson had bad numbers/fake number which could be worked through.
It seems to me that they had the answer for all their business growth problem from the start.
(I copy and pasted this, just curious if somebody has a take on this)
@@Eziopct Kendall was great on ideas, horrible at execution. Got in his own way (the manslaughter) and his father was always sabotaging, gaslighting, psychologically abusing. He seems like such an underdog, because of all the abuse he took, but still kept trying. I think that's why so many people pull for him...BUT, he jus kept getting more and more abusive like his father...they both did, but didn't have their father's skillset so people like Shiv, Carl, Gerry, Frank punched back and told both of them they didn't have it.
Shiv did the right call, for all the wrong reasons
Shiv killed him.
@@amberlisa7365 Ken Doll should have died in the sense that the audience should no longer carry a torch for him- in the hug scene (you know)- but lots of weird people (I want to say guys, but unfortunately I think even some woman have expressed their appreciation for him) in the comment sections seem to think otherwise...
I love Sarah Snook’s small inflections on Shiv’s voice and her facial expressions. That small ‘wuhhhh’ at 2:20 is so good. Really small thing but it humanises her character, it’s a relatable thing and I’ve never seen other actors add stuff like that before.
The actress is very good at making Shiv unlikable. She’s making so many faces like a child and a diva
That “you’re not” was absolutely perfect
@@billyobfas6962 The faces!!! You have to watch just for the faces!!
@@billyobfas6962 what is your damage man they're all awful
@@amberlisa7365 are you slow?
2:45 The coordinated "what...the fuck?" between Rome and Shiv is a thing of beauty
"AbsoLUTEly not, man. Absolutely not." One of the most honest sounding moments from Roman with this line and how he delivered it
I've actually always wondered what that meant. Did he flip on Kendall after hearing his bullshit about the kid he killed?
i think it was just too much at that point, to roman either kendal killed the killed and is lying about it now or he lied about killing a kid back then which is an almost even more psychotic thing to do
@@arizansbergerstein1860 Yes, because he knew Kendall lied and the fact that he was willing to take that back just to secure his seat as CEO put Roman off
I think Roman was put-off before Kendall's denial of the auto accident. His behavior during the board meeting was telltale sign to me. Also, I thought that he and Shiv's anointing of Kendall as CEO was grudgingly given by the both of them. I thought that either one of then could have flipped, but Shiv had more at stake.@@feyrol42
@@feyrol42I actually think that Roman had misgivings during the board vote. His hesitation allowed Shiv to leave the room without casting her vote. Kendall's "false memory" of his auto accident allowed Roman to completely change his mind about giving Kendall the CEO position, but at this point in the story, he had already voted NO to the deal.
There were two people to the right of Shiv or the left of Frank that had not cast their votes when Shiv left the board room. She may have had general idea how those two people had planned to vote.
I think Shiv did what she did because while Tom's betrayal's is hurtful for her, is not nearly as much as Kendall becoming Logan's successor over her. These three were competing all their lives for this, to be seen as worthy of Logan's legacy, which is the only way he could ever respect them, and maybe show some love. Let's be real, do you really think she gives a shit about the dead waiter?
These three love each other, but they were raised to compete against each other, and they can't stand to see each other win. As much as some of us might hate Shiv for doing this, I can't say I don't see Kendall doing the same if the roles were reversed. Roman's the only who's finally starting to break free.
Lol no he is not. He got drunk and was laughing alone at the bar because Shiv and Kendall like him are not CEO. He is celebrating that yes he didn’t win but they all lost.
@@Sam19509 break free.. not being a CEO, patata potato
She knew he couldn't be CEO, and when he ask her she threw the first random idea she had, had he sit down and spoke to them about that she would have had more confidence, or perhaps trow more reasons why he should not be CEO so he can defend himself con convince her, some people need to be convinced and reinforced ... it's actually the first thing you learn in customer service, if someone is upset let them vent, let them know you understand, give them assurance and when finishing the interaction reinforce or reiterate the reasons why it was positive aka what you did for them
@@laum5371 Exactly. SHE doesn’t care about the waiter either, just throwing out the first thing that came to mind (that it was a valid concern is strictly coincidental with these people).
Shiv admitted in this scene that she'd rather be her mom than the loser to her brother
"If I don't get to do this, I feel like that's it, like I, I might die". Unbelievably grim.
I'm glad he finally said it out loud. Throughout the series he embodies that line with desperation
The writers build up Kendall, only to tear him down at his peak. Our #1 boy can’t catch a break.
Kendall is the definition of "Shooting yourself in the foot" as he keeps failing over and over again because of his insecurity and ego. Just when we think "Oh, he's gonna win this time.", he fails again. He's the type of person who will hide if he got bitten by a zombie in zombie apocalypse or the person who will press the self destruct button in spaceship or submarine when he's on emergency situation.
Repeatedly. I was like damn how many times does he have to lose and be humbled ???
What I really love about this scene are Shiv's facial expressions. They express even more about her disgust than her words. So good
Although the ending is bittersweet for Kendall, I hope Shiv's decision indirectly saved him (being a Logan 2.0 was damning).
He be OD within a month.
but he did become Logan, in the sense that he destroyed every true relationship he once had, except Colin lmao
she prevented Kendall from becoming Logan as long as Logan was. But let's see if he can live with that. (I think he will be fine with his billions from the deal).
bittersweet? kendall was just bitter. There wasn't anything in his eyes. Shiv wanted control. And that's what the finale led to. She wants to pretend to be a player. Always playing her pretend game of thrones.
@@lucaspsm125 I don't think he's over their relationship (unless he kills himself or never forgives Shiv). It was more likely that he would end his relationship with his brothers, with Rava and his children if he had been crowned.
Shakespearean tragedy playing out in the board room amongst a bunch of spoiled billionaires. Gotta love it.
This scene was heartbreaking. I never knew acting could hit me so deeply. A tragedy. Gut-wrenching.
Acting was world class, but what about the writing?
@@domingos6371 Writing is simply magnificent. Succession is a rarity among shows where all these aspects are incredible and come together amazingly.
It was cathartic to see these 3 depraved people finally get some comeuppance
@@spacecadet2172 Oh, you mean the billions they stand to claim from the sale. Yeah, that's some comeuppance.
@@domingos6371 both amazing.
One of the greatest scenes in TV drama history. And can we give a round of applause to these three incredible actors? The pressure was on… but they smashed it….
The entire show encapsulated in 5 minutes. Just beautiful.
In TV dark comedy history*
The three of them could actually run the company really well if they actually worked together. But Logan didn't raise them to "Work together"
I thought they really turned the corner in the pool, Shiv was dirty for that turn coat play
@@thee_morpheusscum move
Logan made a mistake to promise them one by one the CEO title so they all thinking, "I'll get it because he told me too."
That also happening to Logan and Ewan, his older brother that they both are like competing with each other. Although Ewan is mostly prefer peaceful life as he's retired and also being the investor of the company, Logan still thinking that he's should be going and doesn't want to be retire. That's why Ewan told everyone on his eulogy that Logan made the people around him corrupted and you can see the shock on his kids' face after he said that. That's why you always noticed that Logan is mostly scared to Ewan because Ewan knows him better than everybody. Logan was still feeling guilty for Rose's death even though it wasn't his fault. Ewan even told Greg to get out from the company but it's too late because Greg is also becoming like them, corrupted and greedy. Ewan is so pissed to Greg, he even took all of his inheritance money to donate to Greenpeace.
This scene is amazing and heartbreaking at the same time and what I love about it is that how Roman defended Shiv. Logan was violent towards him his whole life and Kendall was there to defend him and now that Logan is gone and Kendall was turning into Logan and violent towards him and their sister, Roman defended her verbally and physically, something he would never have done against his father.I may be reading too much into it, I just loved how protective he was at that moment.
So correct, Kendall shoved Shiv (whilst Roman made some terrible comments, he was already wobbly, then Kencall crushed his head wound whilst kissing him - reinforcing Logans abuse). Once he saw Kendall push Shiv (whilst she's pregnant) he finally was able to stand up & the "we're all bullshit" line solidified his acceptance that they needed freedom from the company & their dad
@Kitty right?!! He was already siding with Shiv but the moment Kendall pushed her, he made up his mind, he knew even though Kendall's life purpose was to be the successor, he wasn't fit to be it. Kinda sad, I love the new gen Roys.
@@jlopink is a joke right?? Shiv and Roman allways been shitty towards Ken, never sided with him, NEVER in the entire show, in the first season, when he was about to overthrow his father Roman switched sides, fantastic, then we have Shiv… good god save us from a sister or wife like her, Kendall never had help or support, both of them support whoever but Ken, which is sad, I would had lost it time ago..
@@kittycattt93Shiv was being petty for no logical reason...and she also knew if she won the sibling rivalry, her husband will end up being the CEO. It was a win-win.
@@donotreplydumbpeople3866 Exactly. Kendall was maybe too much fanatic about the job, but that doesn't make him a worse CEO than Lucas. He would really care about the company. She just preferred to destroy, obliterate relationship with his brother, for stupid reasons. And it's not the power - Tom was supposed to be just a puppet. Not for money, because she really was rich. It was just because she couldn't stand his brother be a CEO.
I really hate what she did.
I saw the moment Shiv knew she couldn’t vote for Kendall.
It was when Kendall put his feet up on the desk and bro-insulted Stewie. It was everything she hates. The privilege, his smugness, his overbearing insecurity. She knew right then she would have to vote against him.
And Roman really only gave him half-approval. His “Nnnoope” was nearly childish, forced out. And his final assessment of Kendall and all of them, while pithy, was also spot on. They really are “bs.” What do they make? Roller coasters and racism, as Roman said back in Season 1.
A grand finale and perfect summation episode of all of the show. Thank you to all involved. You made appointment television a great thing again
And she is not privileged and smug? Shiv stans are truly something
@@anniebox9589 Shiv hates privilege and smugness? Nice joke
@@StommelenGames I think she hates it specifically in Kendall
@@anniebox9589 relax
You mean when he flirted with Stewie? She changed her mind AT THE VERY LAST MOMENT because she couldn't stand seeing Kendall win. She literally admits it "I can't stomach you." They're jealous children and winning CEO means winning Dad's love. Except Shiv behaved just like Logan here -- promising Kendall the role before ripping it away. She's insane for how it went down, not for resenting Kendall. Her last minute choice was selfishly motivated. Shiv apologists need to stfu.
The Distance that Connor kept from all of them while they were watching that clip of their father in tears.... Now thats someone who truly won in the end.
God the writing is so incredible and acting. All 3 are hugely narcissistic and layered with trauma yet they are so compelling, interesting and provoke some sort of sympathy that you can't help but feel rage, fear and sadness for their decisions.
My favorite line is “I false memoried it.”
That’s my favorite too
To be honest, if Ken just owned up to killing the waiter, there’s a shot he could’ve convinced Shiv to change her mind. But as soon as he lied and basically turned into his dad, calling it NRPI, it was game over for him.
I think she already decided what to do. He just gave her a justification.
@@Emy-fv5ny She was clearly still deciding what to do, Ken saying he lied about the waiter just cinched it and also turned Roman against him completely.
She couldn’t care less about the waiter or if Kendall actually kill him or if it was pure accident. It was pure spite. She says it very clearly herself. She couldn’t stomach him winning over her.
@@wayothefro3249 She was not, that's why she brought up the "You kill a person" phrase, clearly looking for something to back her decision.
@@Emy-fv5ny Not really. Ken killing a person is a huge mark against him as it shows how careless and reckless he can be. Not to mention also shows how much a problem his struggles with addiction can be.
Wow Kendall tried to use every manipulation tactic in the book. These kids are something lol
That haunting guitar that pierces the argument when Ken attacks Roman made me absolutely sick. It’s like the primal nature of the rivalry between these siblings just erupted into real bloodlust. Terrifying.
I couldn’t believe what I was watching. The moment that started play, I actually started to feel unwell. Watching Ken take it out in Roman because he knows he’s fucked it was just incredible. For an instant I thought he might’ve tried to kill him.
@@brendanfoster5320 My stomach was turning during this whole argument. This show is unreal.
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
- Tywin Lannister
In the Frog and Scorpion story, the scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, both would sink, and the scorpion would drown. The frog then agrees, but midway across the river, the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks why, the scorpion says that it is his nature.
Tom was right about Shiv. She is a scorpion; even though she will also lose the business she still betrays Kendal. Because losing the company is worse than losing the position to Kendal. But, Shiv was also right when she called Tom a snake.
I love that Rome even while being grabbed manages to say "you have no kids" just to get under Ken's skin.
Shiv literally played out the mad selfish sibling so well and it's heartbreakingly beautiful
The actress is amazing. Shiv is so unlikable in this scene. Look at the faces she’s making gaslighting Kendall
@@billyobfas6962Shiv was always a bitch to Ken and even her husband Tom. She doesn’t give a crap about anyone but herself
Spiteful, not selfish
My mouth was agape the entire scene. Holy hell.
They're all doomed to lose anyways. Shiv becoming like her mother, Roman being lost , and Kendall going deeper in rock bottom because of his decision to throw away the last bit of humanity he has left to get a chance. Best ending imo.
And the cycle goes on. Complete tragedy.
@@xxwhispersxx2856the cycle of finding an HBO show with a better ending goes on
@@dv9239 facts. They biffed the landing. Ah well
Roman is Ewan, the brother that hate the company and wanted to do nothing with it
@@jamesbohm3690 in your eyes what was the ideal landing?
The desperation is so high in that room that I could feel it spilling out from my screen.
imagine being a board member seeing three adults brawling and one yelling I AM THE ELDEST BOY!
Unserious. These kids never had it. Logan was right.
Great writing to go with boy instead of son.
Yup. I agree. They never had it.
@@Grsz11 I was like "he's calling himself a boy????"
They may have had it in them but Logan made sure they never did by raising and treating them the way he did.
It’s all Logan’s fault though; he raised them all to be that way…maybe he finally realised his big mistake just before he died 🤷🏼♂️
I LOVED Roman protecting Shiv and getting mad at Kendall for putting his hands on Shiv because she’s pregnant
And if you remember in Season One, they had a childish fight in the hospital.
Doing this just after he called out Kendall’s kids for not being real was crazzzy. My boy was protecting the bloodline…
this scene had me howling with laughter while being emotionally devastated, so good
fr. my girl finally got like an ounce of power over her brothers and took the opportunity to twist the knife. perfect end to all their arcs
@@ac-ye6sfshe is the scorpion on the back of the frog. And Tom will get tired of her and get a new woman in a couple of years . Shiv will end up exactly like her mother.
@@IvaN-cf7qt projecting fr. all of that is of your own creation and has nothing to do with the actual show. and yea ofc shivs gonna lose, she’s also a selfish idiot. but in the final power play against each other she was the one with the advantage and used it to kick them after she’d already made up her mind. they all walked away from mattson and menchken having lost or given away all of their leverage and when that comes to a head with this argument where shiv has the power and agency she wants so desperately, she plays her losing hand perfectly. finally getting the chance to fuck over/feel powerful over her brothers just to use that to sentence herself to her own shitty ending. perfect ending for all of them.
You're sociopathic and psychotic just like the siblings
@@IvaN-cf7qt if Tom isnt thrown out by matsson once menken loses or approves the deal
That is why this series is a masterpiece. As I remember, Tom said to Kendall, “I never saw Logan getting f**ked” which is a freaking horrifying thing because even in death, Logan Roy still won. Feel sad about Kendall though, he was almost at the top. Just a pinch. 😢 For Shiv and Tom though, how the turntables 😂… and for Rome, I am happy for him that he got out, it was killing him.
1:41 Shiv’s “Hehe you don’t get to be CEO” face was great. Such great acting from Sarah.
Even in death, Logan always wins. It’s been a month and I still can’t stop thinking about this finale.
One of the best series ever made
Lol another month and now I'm back here
That's what I'm saying even in death he still is ruling shit like TF best series I have watched in a very long time!!! Next too Resident Alien and Manifest
Even when Logan is dead, somehow I can still feel his presence. It felt like he's keeping an eye on the sibling to prove his point. His shadow is insanely big that you can still feel him even when he's dead
I completed it a week ago, I cant get over it. And I hate that I started this webseries. Like I am not able to sleep.
I wanted Ken to become ceo.
not even close lmao
One thing this show does better than any other I’ve seen is how it chooses to reveal information. Even in this scene (arguably the climax of the entire show!!), Roman reveals that Kendall may or may not be infertile, and that Logan told Roman he didn’t think Kendall should take over because his kids are illegitimate. (Doesn’t matter if it’s true, this just hammers in the point that Logan never thought Kendall should take over) Another piece of information that’s revealed earlier this episode is that when Kendall is 7 years old, Logan promised him the company. It takes balls to hold onto information about characters like that until the literal very end, and it’s moments like that that are going to make rewatches of this show even better. Absolute Kino, absolute gold. This show is everything
Someone made a very good point about how there are literally NO flashback scenes in the whole show. It lets the audiece harvest information themselves and often even just infer stuff. The backstory of Kendall's children being a prime example right until the very end.
@@AlexMcMonniesI would have killed for some righteous gemstones style flashback episodes but the way they did it was amazing too. They felt like real people with real histories
Logan never thought that Kendall shouldn't take over. He had Kendall's name on his will -- not Roman's or Shiv's. The showrunner, Jesse Armstrong, also confirmed that he underlined Kendall's name on the paper. If anything, it's just Logan being unable to accept that he had an autistic grandson
@@therealkendallroy Fate had it that Logan would not live to see Shiv and Tom's child. He could not accept Kendall's.
Logan in the first episode:
" I changed my mind " - and prevents Kendall from being the CEO.
Shiv in the last episode:
" I might have changed my mind " - prevents Kendall from being the CEO, again.
He was never destined to have the top job. You assume he will eventually win, he has to win, but when you look at it, he is trapped in a cycle of repetition.
PERFECT writing.
I truly hated Shiv in that moment. I should have seen it coming cause a cunt's gonna cunt as was stated before, but holy shit did it catch me off guard that time.
They're all bad people regardless though, but Shiv is something else.
That's the nature of Kendall's character:
Every time they make Kendall is on fire and almost gets what he wants, he always fails because he's always shooting himself in the foot. His insecurity and childishness is his true enemy. Not his siblings, not his dad, not Mattson, not Tom but it's himself.
Tom even told him that he's always fail.
Also, it's ironic that Kendall is the eldest of the 3 but he's also the most childish of them all. They are all still childish and immature but Kendall is always double down everything by showing how childish and immature he is. On that room with transparent glass, he was the only one who raised his voice, screamed and yelled and begged like a child! Also, his siblings are terrified and confused because how unhinged he is. And the fact that he has an audicity to go back to adjourn the meeting only for Frank said that it's 7-6 for Gojo Deal and leave the building like a true sore loser is his final nail in the coffin.
@@margarethmichelina5146 Good points!
“I’m the eldest boy”
Connor: I feel a disturbance in the force
This scene is perfection. Just heartbreaking and so genuine. Shiv made the right call, Kendall didn’t deserve it and is in a continuous loop
I told the person I was watching it with - I don’t know if I’d choose my brother or my husband in that situation either. The second she found out it was Tom, it was a real Sophie’s choice for her. I think I’d go with Tom, too, but it’s painful to watch
It was so lose/lose, I think the needle fully shifted when she saw Roman's wound and realised she wasn't picking family happiness either way.
@@alicetoyou448 Good point. I mean, although it's kind of obvious, I hadn't really thought of her decision like that, and I think it explains why she's conflicted more than a lot of takes here. I don't think she would have hesitated if Tom wasn't part of the equation.
@@19thDecadePig Exactly! She was fully behind Ken when it was them versus just a random CEO. The waiter thing was a throwaway excuse as a smokescreen because we all know she can’t admit to her real feelings for Tom and her child.
I’m a dark way, it’s a declaration of love in the only language Shiv can speak (voting for him in a board meeting lol), which we know Tom understands with the last scene between them.
She turned the media company she could be running over to a foreign fascist who's skeletons are much worse than Ken's and she knows it.
2:06 Kendall saying WHICH!? when Shiv says about the murder...then saying he is "totally clean" and then TOTALLY losing it... in those glass windows with the whole board seeing....man, he was so doomed already.
"That didn't happed" He dug his own grave.
"I'M THE ELDEST BOY" he sealed it.
Kendall trying to convince them that he didn’t actually kill that waiter is what made Roman switch. Seeing that Kendall would literally say anything or lie about killing someone to get the job.
They're definitely not serious people.
Though about the same line a lot.. they definitely are not serious people. Everyone is bullshit was also true.
The shots from them outside the glass office, with everyone hearing them yell. It's incredibly cringe and frustrating, imagine being in what would be an insanely high-level assistant role having to witness all that go on and just wait for these clowns who are (for now) your bosses.
Fantastic finale by the way.
@@waldo109Not only that but also seeing them getting into a brotherly scuffle as well. Lol
All I could think about when they started screaming at each other is Logan saying that to them. 🤨
4:21 'you have no kids'...omg roman😂
This show was brilliant. Every single actor gave a marvellous performance. Especially Sarah Snook, Brian Cox and Matthew Macfadyen.
I expect an Emmy sweep for these 3, Tom, writing, directing, best series. Kendall is unhinged. He’s beyond help.
I think Shiv has massive chance for episode 3 alone. She has been phenomenal this season. I think Roman has a chance too.
Not Matthew, I’m afraid. But if Brian, Jeremy and Kieran will all aubmit for the main lead category, then Matthew can definitely win the supporting male lead. Sarah will win. She so deserves it.
@@idontcare2851 you okay mate
@@idontcare2851 just because she's a "nasty woman" in your eyes doesn't mean she can't get an Emmy nom. Just because Joker got nominated for best picture doesn't mean people support Joker killing 7 (or so) people and inspiring hundreds to do thousands
Her being pregnant is irrelevant. She’s lucid and conscious. There is no other description
"IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE"
Kendall yelling gave me goosebumps I don't think I've ever felt before.
The final shot of Kendal looking at the water, but he’s behind a wall. So strong.
He had it. He had it even when Shiv walked out of the room. Roman was still on his side at that point and I truly think they would have probably strong armed her into voting Kendall’s way. It was only when he backtracked on his story about the waiter that he not only completely lost Shiv for good but also lost Roman too. At that point he was done.
I disagree! Roman's No vote allowed Shiv to get up from the table. It had to have been the weakest corporate endorsement ever. When Roman told Shiv "why don't you just go back into that room and vote", it came across to me as if he did not care which way that she voted. Glad that you used "strong armed her into voting Kendall's way." Shiv is probably used to it from her older brothers and was sick of it. If they maintained control of the company, they were not going to offer Shiv anything and she knew it. Logan wanted the company sold and that is what she did ---- as her father, who built the company, WISHED.
Love this point, Shiv is glancing at Rome throughout, If Ken ever actually got Roman to actually push it was over.
No, I don't think so. Ever since Logan told her she could be the one, Shiv's ego grew to the size of Jupiter. When she initially accepted to back Kendall she was doing as a coping technique. A sort of "I'm still on top of this so out of sight, out of mind". When the time came Shiv couldn't do it since she thinks that means she lost to her brother. It's like the two of them wanted to play with the same toy and she destroyed it so neither can have it.
Honestly, the ending is incredibly satisfying and realistic. Logan raised his kids to be a pack of ravaging wolves. The moment he died they began to turn on each other.
@@annkey4091umm if u watch the same show as me its pretty fuckin clear that none of the 4 siblings want to actually run a media cimpany exept for kendall
He was meant to get it if anyone of them was to become the CEO he was hands down the best at it
Ge actually wanted to run a company and not just want daddys approval and acceptance like shiv and roman
Jen wanted it too but wanted the company as well
Shiv nomatter what u say just couldn't stand her brothers winning
She was a jealous prick is and always will be a jealous prick
Fuck her
Shiv's facial expression and sounds are the best
she’s finally like logan in this scene. twisting the knife when she finally had power over her brothers and staying in the room/argument after making up her mind just to kick him.
Even at 3:09, she looked like Logan here
fantastic ending, none of the siblings deserved it, ken really killed the last drop of dignity with that "i lied" line. Tom being ceo is absolute poetic justice.
Kendall channeling Dennis Reynolds with his “I AM THE GOLDEN GOD!” moment.
I am here after Sarah and Kieran FINALLY won their Emmys. Omg, I'm so proud for them. Good job to everyone involved in this masterpiece
Something I took away from this scene is when Ken denies killing the waiter he’s admitting he’s not a killer and as Logan said “you have to be a killer”. Not sure if that was intentional
it's that dichotomy between being a real killer but not a business killer that Logan also talked about. In this moment he becomes a true cold blooded killer by denying he's a real one
Lmao, Logan never said be a killer in a literal way. He admitting murder does not make him a better fit for CEO.
It’s more so that he is weak. He just denied it to try to convince Shiv to vote for him. At that point it’s like “well, Ken will say and/or do anything to become CEO.”
🤣yep exactly. Planted the seed.
The thing is, Logan's "you have to be a killer" isn't absolute truth. It's not the "He'll never change" forshadowing of Better Call Saul. Logan's quote is his philosophy, his life experience, but's not applicable to everyone. Kendall has prove himself near the end that he can play killer if he really want to, but unlike Logan who has nearly perfect track record, he has plenty vulnerabilities that people can exploit, and his decision-making is much too impaired by his narcissism and impatience. If he wants to follow Logan advise to "be a killer", he has always have been a killer, which he isn't. He had a bit of time when he was finding his own way, trying to find and make his own advantages shine (they landed the deal with PGN from his final call), but then Logan's draft will was discovered and once again he go back to Logan's failing advise.
I commented a bunch of times already, that’s how much this show means to me.
After reading a NYT article interviewing Tom’s and Greg’s actors about the finale, I realized that, in a way, Shiv and Roman just couldn’t stand to see another Logan.
Sure there were other aspects of Shiv’s betrayal, such as the toxicity of their relationship, and Kendall’s mental break, but when she says “I can’t stomach you,” I feel like the sibs are also just saying “no” to another Logan. Because that’s essentially who Kendall has become.
Absolutely!
So many different ways to interpret. Could be because he kept being so dismissive of her, only talking to Rome, could be because of Mencken who definitely was gonna be anti-Shiv, could have been No to another Logan, and if that was it, can you blame her?
@@amberlisa7365 Yeah, people are mad at Shiv but forget what Kendall and Rome did to her by shutting her out and essentially pushing her towards Mencken. Hell Ken even betrayed Roman the same episode when they became co-CEOs. The fact is that none of them could support one another as CEO except for maybe Roman.
Lol no they desperately wanted another Logan, they couldn't stomach Ken cause he was their direct competition as their blood brother. The 2 were in denial about it but within they always knew Daddy had him penciled in as the heir apparent ever since they were children, even had his name down on the outdated Will document. In reality Ken couldn't have managed to walk even a step in Logan's shoes, what a baffling misinterpretation.
Kendall isn’t capable of being Logan.
This ep was a masterpiece
Kendall putting his trust in his siblings and yet they couldnt stomach seeing him at the top…..wanted kendal to win but it is what it is
She saw she could have it for herself through Tom...Ironic that they guy she bullied will probably bully her now 😄
Kendall has been in a constant loop of failure the whole show. It was never going to be him.
nah he didn’t deserve to win, none of them did. perfect ending for all of them
@@Emy-fv5ny eh thats a a little bit of a misread. tom being the new ceo factors in but ultimately she did it because she finally has an ounce of power over her brothers and took advantage of it. she felt like she was losing either way and she was clearly on the fence. but her and kendall’s fight is perfect because he did a bad job at convincing her when she was obviously still in the fence and by the end, it seemed like she was only still in the room listening to him to keep kicking him. she lost for ceo either way, but she knew it wasn’t fair for him to win so did the most logan thing she could’ve in the situation and fucked them both over. she’s not an idiot, she understood she could have more power by voting yes and keeping family control but she would rather lose in her own way and not just hand kendall something she wants and doesn’t think he deserves. especially cause he’s already proven that he’ll fuck her over, lie to her, betray her. best decision she could’ve made in the end. gaining some power over her brothers while still losing in her own way
@@Emy-fv5ny I wouldn't say he's bullying her, but more that they both now have each other at each other's throats
One more compliment about Sarah Snook’s facial expressions lol. At 3:10, Shiv looks EXACTLY like Logan when she denies Kendall. Even says “no” and has the same head shake as Logan. I might be looking too into it but I find it funny Kendall begging Shiv for approval just like she was Logan.
Wow so true!
When he said "that didn't happen" he lost the game.
When he said "I AM THE ELDEST BOY" he lost his dignity.
And when he attacked Roman and Shiv, he lost everything.
He had already lost cus shiv was just salty
@@aitothechamp7263 Yea she did it out of spite.... This show is one of the greatest tragedies of our time... But nonetheless the ending is still devastating and beautiful at the same time.
How about you talk about that cvnt who betrayed his brother out of spite?
@@anniebox9589 I don't think he betrayed him more like changed his mind when Kendall denies killing the waiter...but yeah some of it is spite because their all terrible people
@@NS-xx1ze they literally didn't care about that waiter story till they could use it against him. And let's be honest the waiter thing was an incident
Truly showed how pathetic they all are in the end in their own ways. Brilliant finale.
You can practically feel the sorrow from Kendall Roman and Shiv in that room.
The "you have no kids" at 4:20 is so funny I can't. How am I just catching this 😂😭
“Pair of rando’s” was absolutely brutal. Words can do so much damage. 😢
Kendall shouting "I'M THE ELDEST BOY" reminds me of that conversation he had with Logan when he was trying to take over Waystar the first time, where Logan asked Kendall point blank what he plans on doing with the company and Kendall can't give him a straight answer. It's quite tragic seeing the conclusion of his arc - someone devoting their entire adult life towards achieving something for the sole reason of "because my dad said so."
Kendall showed his true colours when he denied ever having been involved in the death of the waiter. That was his lowest point and in the space of about 30 seconds he shows how truly pathetic he is. He's beyond help or redemption after this point.
Yeah, it shows that when it comes down to it, he’s willing to sacrifice everything to get what he wants. In that sense , he’s exactly like Logan. No morals, no care for his family, as long as he wins
Yeah like why didn’t he admit to a drunk driving and killing someone in a office in the midst of a meeting.
Considering this I honestly think Kendall deserved worse than he got. Shiv's betrayal may end up being a blessing in disguise because she essentially freed both Kendall and Roman from becoming Logan 2.0. They got the money now, they can fuck off and start over, while she's still trapped.
@@gezenews He being actually responsible or not isn't the point. The point is he FELT responsible because it was a death that could have been prevented had he made better judgement: not seeking drug the night before a big show, not DUI, not putting the waiter in backseat, etc. But he couldn't see it coming anyway, but he always made bad decisions (the waiter asked what if he really want to kidnap him, because Ken was in very vulnerable position that night).
But no, the point of the kid's death is that it brings out the human in people. If you're walking on the street and push someone to the side because they're in your way, and right after that a rock fall from the construction site above and kil them, you will feel awful if not outright traumatic. It's not your fault but you were a contributor to situation that leads to their death, and also they die right in front of your face. And Ken, he has humanity, more than Logan ever did. The rest of them see that as NRPI, and in extent we as audience see it like that too because character isn't real, but Ken is definitely fked up from that. Yet, every single time he had a glimsp, a promise of the sit, he goes into this Logan mode and just disregard all the humanity in him. He's always been a narc jackass, but his vulnerability is what people root for, and it's what bring them together in the end last season. But now, he just someone disregarding is vulnerability just to get his way.
All that is true. But Shiv was just jealous she lost the chair
Him killing the kid was always the one thing that kept reminding us that Kendall was a human with emotions/regret. So, the fact he was willing to throw that last bit of humanity away for the chair speaks volumes, and I think Roman and Shiv realized that