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What puts me off iracing is that if you buy additional content and then decide you want to discontinue your subscription, the content you bought is no longer accessible. Either go for the subscription model or sell your product outright. Introducing a subscription model but then saying if you want to race on so and so track you need to buy it and in addition to that you can only use that track if you are subscribed is being too greedy in my eyes. If they had introduced after you buy a track you can still race offline against AI without a subscription, I would definitely reconsider and I do think the subscription model is necessary to maintain the racing standard of iracing when it comes to clean multiplayer races.
yes they want to get as much money as posible from any one of us, but i belive that subscription monye is going toward servers (it is 1AM CET now and there are 12.700 people online) and on LFM it's 294 people racing at this time.
@@LipeGoba 12700 is a lot people, but also very little. There's many games out there with 100k+ players and they don't charge you a monthly fee. I don't have a problem with a monthly fee if it funds development, but making most content paid too? That's just an anti-consumer dick move and frankly, I am amazed that they managed to get away with it.
Whaaaat??? If I buy stuff and cancel my subscription, and later I decide to resubscribe, then all previously purchased content will be unavailable???
@@benkekovaxI’m also shocked. Is this actually the case? So if I cancel sub for a month and go back on it I have to buy all my content again?
That’s illegal to me.
This is completely false! If you cancel your IRacing subscription and you decide to rejoin with the same membership account you will have all your content you previously purchased
2:25, it is US$13 a month, or US$110 for the year up front, if I am at expired subscription and want to jump back in off this discount season, then that is the price now.
It's too expensive to play casually sometimes, like once in two or 3 months or something like that. As others had said, if practise mode was free, it then I am sure a lot of people would subscribe to test their skills against others after getting the itch to jump back on.
I paid for it when I first got my Gpro but couldn't get it to work on my wheel so went back to GT7 .I might try again now ,I do like being locked to cockpit view .
It is expensive and the subscription model annoys me at times but it is just leagues above anything else on offer at the moment for competitive online racing. You do spend a bit up front but once you’ve done that you end up buying maybe a car and track each season or something. What makes it so much than anything else:
- online competitive match making system. Currently nothing rivals it.
- constant patches, updates and improvements. It’s like getting a whole new game every season. Big team always working on it.
- customer support. I can send an email and get a genuine response back within 24hrs. I couldn’t even get a response with GT7.
- lots of development work goes into the cars. GT7 will throw cars at you and they all have similar global settings. Every car in iRacing is uniquely developed to be exactly like it is in real life. So think traction control, abs, gearing, downforce etc.
- realism. The way the races run in terms of length and starts is the most realistic. For example GT3 rolling start and Porsche Cup stand still start. Damage model, penalties etc. You can write the car off or damage the steering and have to race with broken steering from one impact. GT7 you can plow 10 cars and keep going. You don’t have to use your real name so no accountability.
- protest system. You can protest people and have real life stewards review it and put in place bans, warnings etc. Not always great but best there is.
It is expensive and somethings are annoying, but it’s currently the best there is by far.
Ive gone back and forth on whether to jump into iRacing. Im still holding off because I have a lot of other projects on my plate, but it is tempting because it seems like a lot of fun. I just cant justify the sub cost for a game I dont really have time for. At some point, I can see myself jumping in though.
All great points in this vid, and nicely presented. Good work!
Just subscribe for one month. Don't buy anything extra and just try it out. There is plenty of content to test.
If they actually had live stewards for the ranked official series it would be worth the cost. But they don't and they need to monitor connection quality better as well so you don't have cars from the other side of the globe jittering all over the track.
I have been a member for 10 years i feel i am paying for the new content both cars and tracks, the upgrades and updates, realism, not to mention i am living my fantasy as a driver,trying my best to compete in real-time events like Daytona 24 or LeMans the Indy 500 and Coke 600. Its not cheap no real hobby is cheap that said for about 200.00 a year (i get the discount renewal in November) for new cars and tracks i feel i need its nothing compared to whatvi spend just going on a trip to VIR to see IMSA! Its all about perspective and to play the best i don't feel my money is waisted.
Best comment here. 💪🏻🏁
I did the 3 months subscription twice now and almost never race on it. Every time I try to get back on it, I just can't be ok with the outdated graphics, terrible sound and inferior FFB compared to other sims. I will not mention physics because I do not race in real life and I do not know what is more realistic. For these reasons I believe the price is too expensive for what they offer (and it is at least twice as much what was mentioned in this video for the yearly subscription). So I go back to racing on AC and ACC on LFM, but I live in the US and there are not a lot of people on LFM in the evenings here. I recognize that Iracing does the best job with online servers, they hardly ever have any issues, even when thousands of people are online, but the price they charge is definitely excessive if you want to get the D,C,B and A license content, and I do not understand why there aren't more people on LFM. Their servers are still good enough and with AC and ACC you have plenty of content for a much cheaper price. I would like to hear from people who will not switch from Iracing to LFM and why they are not considering it. Please no toxic comments, I really would like to understand and I will consider changing my point of view if you give me good reasons.
Its a little bit to expensive for me im not gonna lie.
Interesting twist, how expensive is road racing alone? Like gt3, open wheel, to own all cars in that category, a personal example is me I don't do off road or oval or nascar
It's not that simple.. owning all cars would be silly, you need more tracks than cars you HAVE to buy tracks to compete in anything except rookies.. a series is usually 12 races and anywhere between 2-12 of the tracks you will have to buy.. at 15$ each.. oh sorry.. 14.95😅
Its not that bad. The quality of drivers I get to drive around with is absolutely insane leading to cleaner and closer racing. That is not to say other games don't have fast drivers, but on average the standard just seems to be that much higher on iracing. Being able to drive with formula feeder series drivers on a weekly basis makes it all worth it. I even use the replay function and vrs to see their driving to learn from.
Oxford Pains is a local short track for late models asphalt
Im new to iracing (3 months in). I think its a tremendous value and a unique product. I jumped in at week 8 of a season and I was able to work all the way up to an A license in one month while only buying 2 tracks. In my 2nd season i had to purchase 4 more tracks and a GT3 to be able to conpete in 8 weeks of 3 different series (to get participation credit in 3 series) . So for about $220 Ive got more racing than I can handle for 4 months. To continue racing in the series i want for the next 2 seasons, i expect to pay a total of $400 for the year. Yes this is more expensive than other games but I play this WAY more than I was playing ACC or Gran Turismo. The $ per minute of play is the same or less. I play in VR, so I actually like the low quality graphics - helps me run it smoother in VR
Man I think the physics or maybe even not that . The MP experience and plethora of rooms they have to race is quite amazing compared to anything else. But getting to buy every car and every track is expensive 100%
Agreed, it is expensive in the beginning, but once you have a reasonable amount of content, it does not cost that much. With iRacing, I get the feeling of the racing experience way more than any sim, and to me, it is worth every penny. 😊
how much would it be to race just imsa cars?
@@linzkirk thanks for the breakdown
I know I'm late, but for anyone else wondering, this was the exact scenario I found myself in. I just wanted to get to IMSA mixed class racing. To piggyback on that last comment and put an actual number to it, we're talking $200-300 depending on how many tracks you want to buy. Not including the subscription that you'll have to re-up or everything you bought is useless. I got out of Rookie's and that's when it really started to hit me.
I just couldn't justify paying several hundred dollars in content just to get to where I wanted, not including the subscription. It is far more expensive than any other sim and with the amount of sims in development (mostly AC Evo), I'm not digging myself into that hole, at this point. I'm hoping they finally get dethroned by a more reasonable business model very soon. I'd hate to dig myself that hole just for the community to get a better option later this year. A few years ago, I think this would be a much easier sell.
@@soxfan5240thank you much for putting a number on that… it shows how ridiculous this sim is.. iracing users continue to say it’s not that expensive but for 1 car and 6 tracks you are paying for a whole sim… AND you are limited to what series those cars and tracks can do.. not only that, but AC has LFM AND most mods are free with some of the most detailed mods, far more detailed than iRacing cars, costing at most 10 dollars…
For $2k you can buy yourself, PS5, GT7 and a great steering wheel. Gt7 right now have around 500 different cars to drive. No DLCs no money grabs.
My biggest disappointment is that I have to wait a LOT for the race to start..... sometimes it takes minutes. This is simply not acceptable.
you cant use the rookie series to get the offer
its too expansive IMO, mainly because you still have to rent the game to play even if you bought everything.
iRenting
@@Kireth I Love renting, happy for someone else to maintain my car 😜
Subscribe or buy. Not both
700 dollars in plus subs, I gave this up years ago because if you dont keep up you get left behind. If this was subscription only and contents came included, then it would probability be the only game people would play.
Cant even sell your profile or get money back from them...or can you !
Service is great tho !! Servers ,ratings ect.. all good except the price...
I always feel like comparing the price of racing an actual car is always a dumb reason… ALL sims are far cheaper than racing.. the problem is that ONE sim is notoriously more expensive than the others
Acc is king. I dont care about anything else. ❤❤🎉🎉
Apples to apples, how much is iRacing to have the same content as ACC, or AC or AMS2 or GT7 and lobbies with GT3 races upon purchase? I think iRacing fanboys use real world track and racing costs for comparison because iRacing is redonculously more pricey than other sim titles when you consider what you can jump into at time of purchase. HUGE hurdle rate to get into iRacing. AC and LFM, almost feels like its free 😅
LFM is mostly free unless you want to donate.
@@David-nb2bc I do to help those LFM guys keep things running
@carlosangalang That's awesome man. Keep up the good work.
Oh be careful here, fanbois might tell you to go and play Super Mario Kart :)
Very good post, compare sim to sim as comparing to real world is never going to be a valid argument. I know what I spent on Rotax and of course any sim would be cheaper.
For me iRacing is the best for Oval Racing/NASCAR so for me its worth it I dont always pay for it it but I do from time to time pay for a month then play it loads, if I can get better I may consider just buying a full 1 or 2 year package, I cant wait till next year as iRacing now hold the official licence for NASCAR to produce the next standalone game and I cant wait after how disappointing NASCAR 21 was
I would have no problem paying a subscription if it gave access to all contents, but having to pay a subscription and then buy individual content too? No way. I just want to race cool cars on the Nordschleife and a few other tracks once in a while. Why would I sink all that money into iRacing when I can do just that in AC for basically free by comparison? It doesn't help also that despite all that money, the game still looks and sounds like a 2008 game.
It is basically Star Citizen but with a subscription fee on top AND you have to pay to visit some stations and planets too. Somehow, they got away with it, but no developer would be able to pull that shit today without a massive public backlash.
Some see the "above 100% braking telemetry" as a unique realistic brake physics but I see it as a bug that the developers can't fix! It's impossible to brake above 100% IRL so it's just a bug. It's like I would pull my brake pedal through the floor and then take it for a lap and then keep braking 😅 it's just stupid! And the graphics are never developed since it was made?!?! Where does all iracer money goes? It's not to progress the game anyway.
Get Evo this year
Yes, it is.
This game is extremely expensive, i already spent over US$400.00 and still cannot compete in 80% of the different races, they make a lot of car/track combinations so you always need to buy something, even thought i have a 4090 and max out the graphics it looks very outdated, they need to update the graphic engine and make some cars o tracks unlockable by playing the game. IMHO
$2000 will buy you two month of groceries and a Happy Meal in California.
Sorry guys, you can't compare value to value when you talk about the value of what you get for your money. I have ACC & AMS2 and Iracing. Without a doubt Iracing is triple the cost vs any of the others.. And of course I dont have to pay subscrition fees on ACC and AMS2. Where Iracing is ahead is in the online racing.. that is definitely where it shines..
Imo LFM and SimGrid are just as competitive than iRacing in terms of online… tbh the only heroes in iRacing are their marketing team
Who tf buys EVERYTHING on iracing?!?
chuck norris
Yes, its expensive and quite hard sell for someone new to sim racing, but also a lot of people probably care about only 1 or 2 car styles, sports car and open wheelers for example and dont care about ovals, dirt and all the other stuff at all, so for them buying all road content wouldnt be nearly that 2000€ and for them essentially they have all that the game offers for way cheaper than that.
the tracks really are the main expense there, let say you have GT3 car and wanna race it and there next 2 weeks there only races for track you dont own so you just kinda have to buy them
Personally i dont care too much, ive already spent way more to my sim rig what the iracing will ever cost me and im happy to pay it since it offers so good racing.
But for a lot of people it probably isnt worth the money
Every rookie series on iRacing is all on free content.
You’re still paying a subscription for “free” base game AC content
If I stop my subscription can I still play offline with all the content I buy?
Apparently not.
The answer is......... NO. It is like if you don't pay your rent, can you live here still? Cannot have the cake and eat it too, you know!
It is not too expensive given there's many happy to pay what is asked but currently it's too expensive for me personally.
This is not how it works 😂
@@BiRRdYYChannel That's exactly how it works lol. The market dictates whether your prices are too expensive, that's how capitalism works.
How you or i feel about that is largely irrelevant.
@@braveheart4603 Yes, exactly. And following that rule you could potentially earn more money by lowering the price.
Just because there are people buying it doesn’t mean the price is justified.
Your scientific measurement of „many“ people who are happy is simply not saying anything about whether or not it is too expensive or not. Again, this is not how it works 😂
@@BiRRdYYChannel Many just means a high enough amount of people to make their business model profitable. They can charge as much as they want if enough folks buy into it that make it viable and that's exactly the case.
When they charge "too much," enough folks will opt out that their business model and price structure won't be viable.
Way to damn much for a damn game
So you don't have to buy everything, i been on iracing 10 years or so, i race road and a bit of oval so have most of the road stuff and a small amount of the oval stuff so this buying everything not many do, sure you can but don't have to, the numbers don't lie when it comes to people seeing value in it and racing there, still one of the most popular sim racing titles even given the price,
if ACC is £20ish but cant get bigger numbers than something that can cost 1000's maybe there something that the others are missing, AC is still the closet regarding numbers but for other reasons to iracing, ac more the modding scene less of the online racing,
The Value is all in the mind of the buyer if the buyer is happy and spending hours and hours playing, its there money having fun if you cant afford it sorry that's life i cant afford a Ferrari irl but want one,
and my last thought is that your not forced to buy iracing when people mention its too expensive then don't buy it play one of the other titles out there, plenty to pick from with good things in them i think its great we have lots of options out there for great sim racing titles
The price of iracing is the only reason I haven't taken the dive. But in this day and age it's not worth any price until it's PSVR2 compatible. Right now I wouldn't play it even if it was free because I can't use my PSVR2 lol
No, it´s not. I´m a 100% owner and regret no Cent.
Hilarious... It's obviously a money grab. Will stick with the competitors where I get most content at launch and add ons for free.
YES its toooo expensive, and will keep A LOT of people away. might be ok for simi prof or prof people, but they are not going to get new people in there and the other sims are super good for then 95% normal people. just my 2 cents
Simple answer yes . But it’s still the best we got …and they know that
ACE coming knocking though
@@Kireth hope so....
I have them all and if I play one after the other to compare in VR , iRaing hands down
I find AMS2 for VR is best, sadly not the user base but visually none compare.
Is not 2,000$ After you Buy an amount or content you get 20% off for everything you buy. Also you don’t need to buy everything to have fun. You get the Black Friday special the subscription is half of the price plus you can get 40$ for participating in one year in series you also get credit for having a friend subscribe. There people spending 5,000 a year on skins on fornite and cod
It’s way more expensive than fifa.
OBVIOUSLY
Try playing golf or racing for real. Even local banger racing costs can spiral very quickly. For what it offers i don't think iracing represents an a unreasonable cost.
Why can you compare apples to apples like compare to other sims? Not something else.
@@David-nb2bc well its a hobby like playing Golf or banger racing? like you could have the really expensive golf clubs at the fancy golf course or the cheap ones, its a hobby think thats what he is comparing which makes sense
@@Demps151 But it is way more fair if you compare something that's as similar as possible in which other sim title is within the same catalog of products.
@David-nb2bc nope as it's a niche and narrow of a hobby that there are extreme at both ends,
It is expensive, i agree, but I get worth out of it, and I can see if others don't that will always be,
Like a sim rig, some people pay 1000's, whereas some can't and are on a desk, there always extreams within every hobby that's just life,
Yes, iRacing is expensive ACC is cheaper but is limited to the series it offers. If you want open wheel or dirt racing, you don't buy ACC.
You can make iRacing cheaper on top of the annual sub, as you don't need to buy all the content. If you are not an open wheel fan or a Dirt racer, then why would you buy the content?
The only thing that puts me off iRacing is not the cost, but the internal only camera. Tried it and hated it.
$2000 for video graphics that look similar to original xbox/ps1 (compared to ac/acc/forza)..no thanks
Fernando Alonso: "GP2 GRAPHICS, GP2 GRAPHICS BWOAH"
probably
Please don't compare iRacing to Forza. LOL
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 I turn the shine/reflections off on forza to make it a bit more realistic... but it's still not as dire as iracing (in my view).. its all subjective
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 I see ACC and AMS2 more real and iracing more like cartoon. That's I see it. I'm not saying I'm right or your are wrong!
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 Why would be laughable? This is very subjective and I can laugh things you think it is not laughable and vise versa? I think that concept is called, opinions and I'm sure you heard of it before?
Absolutely not. A sim racing service for serious enthusiasts for those who cant afford a real life racing career?
Take my money!
Others looking for a game-like price can play ACC and the tons of other options available.
lol…. People like u r the problem
I think GT is going to eclipse it eventually and have all the bells and whistles that's sought after in a sim. It's laying a good foundation for the future at the moment. But I wonder if it can escape the simcade lable.
Gt is a totally different experience to iracing. It's never going to be a full blowm sim as it has to be accessible to pad players and the console racing genre as a whole. I have more hours on gt7 than any other racing game so not knocking it here, it's just a totally different experience to iracing.
It’s a necessary evil to keep away all the forza kids
Boohoo. ACC is no comparison. It doesn't have as much content. ACC is like 2 different types of cars and that's it....
GT3, GT2, GT4, Porsche Cup, Super Trofeo, Ferrari Challenge - there are plenty of car types to challenge you.
Yes, there are no open wheelers, dirt, oval, etc. but that's not what ACC is. ACC is the official sim of SRO, so it makes sense that it's "limited" to those cars.
Its not to expensive 2k to run stuff at the best level thats allowed. I feel like people who think iracing is expensive go race for real. Its 1300 a night unloading my car per race 765$ a set for tires. If ya want realistic then iracing is what you want and 2k plus a good wheel rig setup and comp so 5k to be higher equipment so 7k total thats still cheaper then a bare chassis for my real racing
2 grand for a pc game ?
@jbeeches1 2k for all the content my comp is another 2k my logitech probsetup was 1300ish the LG c2 65in i use cost about 1500 a year ago. The real super latemodel I bent in half last year cost me 21k to replace. Tires run me close to 800 a race. So yeah it's cheap in comparison by a lot.
@jbeeches1 2k for all the content there is alot of content I mainly focus on asphalt ovals and I'm sure I'm 800 deep in content
@@jbeeches1 iracing is more for being serious
@@allenjones9003 it not racing its a game
ive spent anout $350 in just under a year and i feel like what ive gotten out the game was well worth it, plus itll get cheaper for me as ive already got plenty of tracks that get used alot.
Why would anyone choose Iracing over LFM and AC? Not worth it at all.
If ur not a poor rat its the best online experience…i guess u never tried it so how could u even judge. Keep on playing ur free games poor little man.
well there is 13000 online at the moment i am typing this you could ask in iracing, i could ask the 7000 in AC and the 119 in LMU a question aswell, steam chats will tell a bigger story then any youtube video or comment section
Because LFM on AC has 8 series. In iRacing you can race in 9 series without buying a single car or track.
@@jowinho1183 but it still costs you a subscription. And for me the driving experience in AC is the best
@@MrBeerlove The driving experience is a personal preference I think. But the subscription is not that expensive (for me). I always renew at black friday and cost me 150$ for 2 years, so 6,25$ a month. If I go to the pub I spend more than that on 1 evening. And I use iRacing between 15/20 hours a week. So for me it's worth it.
A 12 minute video sugar coating the fact that its a rip off🤬
Should I charge $11.95 a video?
The graphics have been too ugly for me to consider it
iRacing is MEGA ULTRA EXPENSIVE, not worth even for 20$
Iracing model won’t last long. Competion is coming. You have LMU with online play early access, and has better handling. Asseto Corsa Evo coming soon with focus on multiplayer. GT7 has already taken a chunk out of iracing, more serious sims are now on the way.
If I was iracing, I would start shifting to a consumer friendly model now or its days will be SUDDENLY numbered. The market is wide open for someone who dares, iracing is such a low bar with poor graphics and questionable tyre model that forces you to under drive. It’s only a matter of time!
you do know that iracing has charged the same since 2008 and has grown and grown since, You example of LMU isnt great if you go on steam charts you will see why at the time me writing this iracing has 13,000 online LMU has 119 online, iracing has been fine with other titles coming and going for the last 16 years, yes if others come with better offers which i cant see them doing imo iracing will change but they haven't see the need to for 16 years, also the GT7 things well thats hard to compare as is a PS5 title so more accessible to the masses which is great, but iracing wont be worried about GT7 as the aim at a different market of sim racers
LMU is already dead. They have the same amount of players as Raceroom atm. And the playerbase in iRacing is still growing. Over 130.000 players participated in last season (only road category).
Sucks you in, then the championship changes to a track that you need to buy to continue. Cant even race against AI if your sub expires. Too bad if you bought the cake. Left a very sour taste in my mouth. AC lfm, gt7, lmu might not have as exstensive championships to race in but you get more bang for your buck.
It’s not. U don’t buy all the content. U buy the car and buy a new track each time. Build up slowly