The ULTIMATE Nordschleife Comparison (ACC, iRacing, Gran Turismo, Forza!)
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- The ULTIMATE comparison with REAL LIFE and Assetto Corsa Competizione, iRacing, Gran Turismo, Forza Motorsport at the Nordschleife, big thanks to my colleague for the footage!!
Please note I purchased ACC, iRacing, Gran Turismo 7 and Forza Motorsport with my own money.
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ACC Nordschleife is absolutely amazing
It's a bit funny how you act surprised that iRacing missing new fences and stuff, when everyone knows it's an older scan. They can't run to Germany every year and rescan this massive track, of course ACC is the most accurate because they just recently scanned it
Exactly what I was thinking, I've not finished the video but it seems unfair as ACC should have no faults (except the new foxhole kerb) but I do think iracing needs a new scan as it's been around 10 years
@@TheFakeIce_ I'd take a rescan and happily pay for the new version over any new track out there
All has been said… This video makes no sense.
That is a silly thing to say. "Acc is the most accurate because it's the latest scan"..... sorry you making an excuse for something? Yes, it's a newer scan. Yes, it's more accurate... any reason for downplaying it aside from butthurt?
Its not fair to compaaaaire, bluaaaa... ok then, we wont compare. Ever. To any new rendition of a track.
Funny how the same tartoids would come out of the woodwork when iRacing gets a later scan to use it as a reason to compare, "omg the iracing version is so new and amazing, derp"... we should keep this comment and say something just as stupid when this happens, "well yes because its the latest scan" .... lol.
And?
And yes.
I mean the comparison as a hole makes no sense, if you try to compare 2 arcade sims with 2 real sims
AMS2 is missing… 😢
so is the original AC which was the first game to get a laser-scanned version of the Green Hell
AMS2, yes, but Rfactor 2 too.
It's not an ultimate comparison when your are missing AMS2. it's subjectively one of the best titles available.
not to mention Race Room xD
@@RawiioliExtras thank you.. couldn't remember on the top of my head if it was race room or rfactor
I don't get why you hate the festival vibe in FMS.. It adds some personality to the races and makes them more interesting to me at least..
Because it is unrealistic in many places
@@LorenzoClara97This is actually quite wrong. With the exception of the flags (which I think are there to help with breaking) the activity happens where it's supposed to happen. I just find it strange that people complain there is too much. But it all happens where it's supposed to happen in the track boundaries.
@@nihilityjoeyhave you even been there IRL?
@@TheCommentator112You are missing the point. SIM or not, it's a game. And having more people there isn't breaking any rules. Even ACC has more than GT and I racing.
@@nihilityjoey Because ACC is literally mimicking last years 24hr race
The Defense for iracing and other sims is that their scans are pretty old if you do this vid 10 or whenever they added nordshliefe in iracing it would be exact
It’s not a defense if they aren’t willing to update it for their customers. People are paying money so they should be updating it
@@SuperDRAY88yeah just that everyone wants new content instead of updating the old ones if they don’t have any major changes because it costs a lot of money to scan it and if it’s not extremely outdated ( for example spa is one that needs a redo cause the scan is 2008 or 2009) but the Nurburgring hasn’t changed much so people on iRacing are happy with it and just want more tracks
(Sorry for writing essay)
As someone who drives ACC mainly, i'm very impressed with all of them. My guess is iracing is a much older scan, and the speaker towers weren't there when it was done, but it still holds up really well. It has a lot more and in your face graffiti, but again that's probably just what time has done to it. ACC has mostly nailed it, though one of the hills off track looked off... and since it is the latest scan, they should have nailed it. Anyway, my order... ACC, iracing, gt7, forza (because of the curbing which affects racing more than the details), though all of them are quite worthy. You really should have included AMS2 too, though...
I think ACC is the 2023 version
Considering when iRacing scanned Nords, it stands up well. ACC should be on the mark seeing as it likely the most recent scan of the track. Where were the rFactor2, AMS2 and Raceroom versions?
iRacing stands up also because it's the largest community in the world. It's the CLEAR AUTHORITY when it comes to world of SIM.
In my oppinion ACC looks the most realistic. Simply amazing! In a couple of years we will probably not be able to tell if it is reality or simulation.
Hey. Next time before you do this kind of comparision make sure to set proper FOV in each game. ACC on this vid has much lower FOV then real life footage and other games so everything is looking too big and too close, also distance between guardrails and track is looking bigger because of that.
Forza looks the best out of the lot, but ACC has the most accurate version. Another great video, kudos.
Cheeky dub for Forza on graphics?
@@Kireth delusional, ikr
Lmao
I agree, Forza has a much more natural color pallet. The others have way too much contrast and exposure...GT7 looks too clean also, no real life imperfections.
@@TruRipsta Yup. When you watch the clips, what one make you look twice the most, thinking it was real? its forza.
Thank you for this comparison, but can you campare the nos between iracing/rf2/ams2 and acc? I think this 4 Sims has the most accurate laserscan. But, of course we know from different years. Iracing nos is 10 years old, factor2 has a 2019 scan and ams2's scan is from 2020. It could be interesting to see the comparison to the newest acc version.! I'm from Germany and of course I have all these Sims and nos tracks. Best track ever, in my opinion.
Where's Automobilista 2??
No one really recognizes it yet. It's fkn GREAT though!
@@marksutherlandjr.2121 If they swapped FM for AMS2, it would have been a closer comparison IMO
I don't think you have the camera set as low in gt7 as you do in the other versions. Maybe try again but go with the bumper camera, or something similarly lower.
Also, I think gt7 nails the trees far better than any other version. Next to the actual track itself, the trees I think go the farthest towards getting the feel of the real life track.
GT7 looks the worst with oversaturated colors. Forza looks pretty good, ACC probably best of all and has the best feeling FFB for communicating the road. iRacing looks like a good all rounder despite the ancient render engine. Amazing how carried away some people got with the Graphiti on the track lol.
Are you blind?
Did you even watch the video ? ACC, GT7 are decent. Iracing and Forza need lot of work. Though Iracing kerbs are super relastic. Forza need to reedo all the kerbs pretty much, trees look greyish and the surronding also does not represent real life. Iracing too decided to do their own surronding for some reason.
Knowing when they were scanned, and introduced. You'd expect ACC to be the most accurate today because that was the latest one to be introduced. I wouldn't be surprised if it's on the list for a refresh, along with Spa and a few others.
Spa on ACC is so far my favorite.
Forza looks very good. Funny how people keep saying how bad Forza version is just to find out all the inconsistencies in other titles as well. From the start already biased towards Forza. Biased conlusion, even the game is paused Forza is at speed making it blurry. Camera angles could be deceiving a well.
The curbs are just wrong in Forza, having driven all of them, and done a lot of laps in real life I can confirm Forza is way of the mark.
@@GinolasVideos sure. The point is there are inconsistencies in other titles as well. Why did the other titles not get nitpick before Forza version arrived, clearly there is bias. Funny how people act surprised with the comparisons, thinking that Forza is the only game that has issues.
It's funny to see fanatics badmouthing game X or Y, when they're all brutally wrong.
People make fun about fm8 but actually has better ffb than acc and i have 350 hours on acc and 150 hours on fm8 , acc has better physics, graphics and sound , but forza has better ffb i feel way more connected to the car , better cars , a lot of amazing cars , better tracks , le mans , road america. Virginia , I'm playing on xbox series x , I've heard pc version of acc has different ffb to me honest
I practiced for ACC via Forza and I think the two are close enough that it was possible, despite the different physics.
I dont mind them being outdated i just want it to look accurate at how the car behaves through the bumps and jumps
Yep have a look in this video 🙌🙌
Considering Turn 10 has never claimed Forza to be a sim, it stacks up well against, although falling short of, true sims like ACC and iRacing. GT on the other hand falls well short of the others considering it's always claimed to be a real driving sim. The very fact most sim channels continue to mention Forza when looking at or comparing 'sims' is an indication that it has in fact surpassed its proposition as a 'racing game' at least in the context of driving dynamics and realism. Gt on the other hand falls short of its claim yet excels a 'racing game'. I'm lucky enough to be able to play all these titles and there's something great about each of them the others lack so personally I don't think there is a 'best' but just great options for whatever is important to each person.
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10:55 "If you love the graffiti ..." => it's not about if I love it or not, I want the track to be like in real life. If there is no graffiti on a particular spot, then I don't want one added.
For the amount of detail that went into ACC and how it drives =)
I paid for that DLC and did not regret it 😅
Looks like the Forza version isn't so bad after all
...Did we watch the same video?
forza has the most realistic lighting.
@@Johnny_Thunderit dosent, gt7 has superior lighting
@@andreasmoller9798 I noticed the other day how the dark areas such as the footwells in shadow still get realistically darker going under bridges & such, that's ignoring realistic eye adaptation. PD's lighting even as a crossGen title truly is a marvel!
Yeah looked pretty good
I think the most important part is the physics and how cars react to certain bumps and corners how it looks is really the last thing I’m concerned with when I’m in a “simulator” it matter more how it feels and the feedback I get to my steering wheel
Physics matter most sure, 100%, but visual accuracy does also matter if you're using it for track knowledge, which IRL is the most important thing for fastest lap times, so games/sims should strive for both
Which sim do you prefer?
Only question I have with this video is why is Forza's camera seems to be the only one set to "below the license plate" view? Does kinda distort what you're seeing.
Nice job! Thanks!
Thanks man!!
Excellent vid! I absolutely love nordscheleife. As a complete noob, racing in it over and over have def helped me get better at curves. Cant be afraid to abuse those limits! 🔥
ACC wins hands down, it's not even close.
@2:36 you say FM adds a curb that doesn’t exist but so does GT7
Wrong, gt7 is accurate, fm has the worst nurburgring in simracing
It's not, you can literally see in the video that GT7 added a curb.@@andreasmoller9798
@@andreasmoller9798 such a fanboy comment. Gt7 accurate? Did you even watch the video?
@@coy9958Désolé il l'a entièrement raison
@@coy9958 fm is the most inaccurate nurburgring ever featured in any modern track racing game. Gt7 destroys fm in terms of details. Fm cant even get their cars to look right or accurate.
Love it mate,
Thanks for you VERY Detailed Video as you did a Fantastic job having 12,000+ lap's on Assetto Corsa I am a BIG FAN of Nordschleife.
It's Not perfect but is the BEST I've seen yet for a SIM game.
Take care and Thanks again,
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Thanks man very much appreciated!
This is a fucking amazing video. The last few years of resurfacing / digitalisation project have made all the older models feel a little outdated to real life now. I know Misha Charoudin advised ACC on some things, and it's pretty much bang on minus the foxhole resurfacing this year, and it's new death kerb. Also nice real life lap footage in there!
Trackmania has the most accurate version.
Fact. I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise.
Trackmania > Forza > Grand Theft Auto > GT Sport > iRacing > ACC Nordschleife
FACT
rF2 version was one of the strongest in sim racing - best to benchmark that
Forza has the most realistic lighting by far, it actually looks like real life. Iracing looks stale in comparison and ACC looks over saturated and gamey.
ACC gave it the heart and soul it has in real life
The RF2 version is also very good. I miss it in this comparison.
GT7 graphics looks smooth realism
ams2 and rf2 missing, latter is the best I have experienced
just buyed nordschleife in ACC.
And after 2 Laps I already know its the best dlc I‘ve spend my money on. Simply Amazing
ACC is the closet to real life.
The thing for me is, I'm new to this track. Absolutely loving forza version. iracing looks great, gt looks as good as always and acc nailed it. Gt next on the list. I have no complaints
I started sim racing on AC and learnt the Nordschleife there. Of course I also got ACC and it's version is fantastic. However ACC is limited to GT style cars and while AC modded is good, it is getting dated. I have a PC and only FM as a console port is available to me(would like if they did a port of GT7 so I could try it before making a verdict on it). So to fill a void in the meantime I also got Forza Motorsport, and while driving physics are more forgiving in a simcade, I still enjoy the Nordschleife in FM and in general the layout not so much the detail, is sufficient enough to not break the experience for me. So knowing how Kunos strive for excellence I am really looking forward to AC EVO, especially as I learnt that they are going for an in house engine(not that ACC in Unreal engine is bad, but my guess is Kunos saw limitations with regards to physics modeling). So hopefully we get the best of all worlds, that is Physics/Visuals/Day-Night Cycles/Weather and track conditions/Cars and Track selection(and if you race online, then multiplayer functionality also).🤞 I believe that I read an article a long time ago before ACC came out, that interviewed Kunos and they said ACC was part of the RD process for the spiritual successor to AC. Not long to wait now yay, and it will be interesting to see how the conversation changes then.😊
Iracing has somethings missing: it's fine
GT7 has somethings missing :simcade lol
Funny how some people jump to conclusions like that
Instead of FMS and GT you could have compared it with rf2 and am2, but ok, good job anyway
Silly question, why are there some many differences between all of these games? Are they all not using laser scans of the track?
Track is different every year
@@wdowa94Only ACC and iRacing use laser technology.
@@Robin_S78Polyphony also uses laser scanning, they've been doing it since GT4
@@KiroteHikarinot for the tracks I don't think at the time, don't know if they use for tracks too now.
A laser scan is not complete, you need to still model it and do a lot of retopology, also a laser scan does not just do the whole track, they need to piece it together, so you lose some details such as elevations etc and need to have more data than just laser scanning. Then there is extra data on road grip etc, what kind of asphalt is on each piece etc, track is also different from year to year but last of all some changes I argue are deliberate so that to compensate for accessibility, like FM dumbing down the curbs.
Also, they scan the track, as in the road part, a lot of the backgrounds or walls and other assets are built for each game, that is why we also see such a difference in the surrounding which arguably should change less, different hills etc. On one shot compared to real life it was evident GT7 had the better hills along with fm and iracing and acc missed out and looked wrong there. These parts are from references not actual scans.
So yeah many reasons behind it. A scan is not just a single shot that is ready and there are also different scanning methods and technologies
ACC knocked it out of the park. From a drivability standpoint ACC and iRacing are nearly identical. It’ll be interesting to see the next Nordschleife update on iRacing. Hopefully by the time we see it the graphics engine will have been update to something more modern.
I've never experienced ACC I racing and forza versions yet but GT7 you definitely feel the the hills while in the in car view
you need to try ACC
I'm waiting for console's to bring it don't have PC I'll have to wait for PlayStation
Both Forza Motorsport and ACC look the best and has the most accurate versions. Both make GT7 look pitiful. In curbs accuracy, ACC wins. In environment detail Forza wins.
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😂😂
Someone's not taking his meds 🤣
Hope you are sarcastic on this one Forza kid
Forza version is inaccurate gt7 and acc wipes the floor with forza
You should have started with the time of all the scan. Iracing is the oldest, the gt7 is from before release of gt sport so before 2016 and acc an fm are the most recent
If you had add a pilot and asked him to drive in all sims and in real life and he talked about the grip etc this would make more sense to me, the visuals its relative to the date of the scan.
1 month later Verstappen's 24h is on iRacing ...
Your conclusion was biased. You didn't even bother to properly sync the clips. Esp. at the end. You ONLY sync'd ACC at the end to your exit footage, as if to reinforce the placebo interpretation it would naturally cause by being mistimed. Perhaps it was an unintended over sight.
The editors slip-tool to adjust clips in video (sync in) montages is easily ACCessible before final compression. Perhaps You'd consider a proper re-upload with better sync'd clips, over your already fine commentary, to help support your claims. Unfortunately, i could not conclude ACC was better due to this. Other than that, nice footage!
To be honest, the detail comparasion against iRacing is bad considering how old the track was when it was scanned, If you wanna actually pay attention to detail, just check the dimensions of the paviment and compare how accurate iRacing is compare to the others including ACC. IRacing track's dimension is incredible, the elevation and distance seems very authentic compared to other tracks
In terms of colour realism,
hands down forza wins, iracing comes close and ties with gt7, and sadly acc seems to saturated.
But in terms of graphics, iracing and gt7 are on par yet again, forza I'm on the fence, at times is almost perfect (for a game) but seems then sometimes looks weird but I can point out what it is. Where as acc hands down wins this section, it just looks great.
Overall though, I really can't say which I truly prefer. But if I really could only use one for the rest of my life, it would possibly be acc.
This has now solidified my compulsive thoughts to complete my acc dlcs
desaturated and washed out does not = realism
Forza colours are way off, looks nothing like the real footage. ACC and gt7 look the most accurate
We all have different eyes guy, this is what mine see
@@peter91d compared to a camera recording nothing comes close to GT7. However what your real eyes see, in my own opinion too forza motorsport comes closer in right conditions. Sometimes also very bad depending on the conditions.
@@Racingfan101No. Just no. GT does not look the best, at all.
For me personally it's acc by a country mile, then gt7, followed very closely by iracing, and finally forza.
The downside with acc for me is that it's paid dlc, whereas gt7 and forza it's included in the base game and that accessibility makes it better for more players, but cost aside there's no doubt acc got it nearly perfect, and the fact they can charge for it means they had to put in much more effort to make it worth the asking price
Forza tries to make the course feel more exciting and festival-like, but the green hell is exciting enough on its own and doesn't need more pizazz. Imo forza should have put more effort into making it mirror the real course more accurately instead of masking its deficiencies with unnecessary trackside fluff
I think they all do a pretty good job. Very impressive.
You cant really moan about missing crowd fencing from stuff scanned in 2017/18 vs stuff scanned in 2022/3 when the fencing was erected in between. The curbing is really important if you're using it as tool to learn. I personally don't use any speaker poles for breaking reference in real life or in the sims, though I know some do.... All things considered I think its nice how well GT7 stands up since release, and ACC doing a cracking a job, doesn't Iracing love its graffiti!
Anyone remembers this track in Project Gotham Racing 2? Super long ago...
GOAT racing game. I lost so many hours on that game.. and they had geometry wars as a mini game…
Man, Xbox live was incredible back then 👍🏾👍🏾
this games are about driving, not graphics
Glad you didnt put Ride 5 version of this track, because the accuracy of thia track on that game are the worst even on the previous Ride game.
iRacing is the bar a far as I'm concerned. VR ftw.
Where is rfactor2?
Is forza the only simcade that isn’t laserscanned?
Why not AMS2?
and RF2 and Iracing
The ams2 version?
I can play the track in GT7 in VR on ky console without needing a gaming PC, that makes it an auto win for me
It is clear that the ACC is the winner. GT7 lacked detail on the outside of track, FM8 did well outside, but there's something very wrong with these kerbs and iRacing I've never played.
P.S: ACC has an obligation to be the best, as it has the fewest cars and tracks, not to mention that much of the game's content is paid DLC.
Be interesting to see if FM updates the kerbs like they did with the pit exit for the Daytona track. Maybe update 8 or 9?
ACC Nordschleife is the most accurate virtual track up to date. There's no doubt about it... Because it is the latest version of the IRL Nordschleife. They did scans with all of the latest implementations on IRL track that have been done in 2023.
GT7 is probably very accurate but to the very old now version of IRL track that was a decade ago if not more.
We need to see when Polyphony is determined to update Nurburgring to its latest version. I'm sure they polished up nurburgring with each version of the game in terms of lighting, visuals, track physics, textures etc but still keeping that original scan layout.
GT 7 has the 2017 version :)
What about auto mobilista 2?
Ok so they all have parts where there good and bad, Looks is one thing the real test which more arcuate to drive vrs real life.
bruh iracing's scan is like extremly old sadly
How recent is the real life vide
The nordschliefe has had some work done over the winter with one or two new herbs and new tarmac in parts of the track.
ACC must be better than iRacing. It where a shame if it wasn't. Its a much newer scan and version.
Hopefully, they rescan the NOS in iracing soon. Or they update the details.
Good comparison. Thanks!
this track is laser scann in multiple sim racing game, Iracing, AMS2, Rfactor 2, with great sansation .... multiple years ago ... i don't understand why every one is crazy about ACC. it's just an other great laser scan version on this track ...
and if you say "yes but some real pilote try the track to optimise it", yes but there is not comparaison on real track and game track on the official nurburgring youtube channel ... Rfactor 2 yes.
its Obvious by the end of 1st corner which one is best !!! I think that I racing so out of date on a lot of it tracks, and considering how much it cost OVER and OVER ! they need to either change their price model or release II Racing ;)
your speaking style like motorsport commentator
pretty unfair comparison when ACC is literally brand new and iRacing scan is years years old.
NordschleifE! E! E! There is an E at the end of NordschleifE!
acc has the latest scan
rFactor 2 is where I drive the NS, because of the feel and physics. good review but far from complete.
I have all steam racing games with Nordschleife present. It's 14 games.
Without iRacing since I play on my Steam Deck only
I have to say , Kunos simulazioni did a very good job!
it's a bit of a joke comparing scans that are probably 10+ years appart from each other.
A lot of the track's ben repaved the past years as well
ACC wins hands down.
GT7 definitely had the trees most accurate.
Kireth le fanboy aveuglé par le mensonge de FM8 🤣🤣
To me...I watched and in the first few bends ...ACC was amazing... But watching it through...ACC is turned off more than anything else...are you being paid by iracing and gran turismo... Do you have a real Vs ACC... That seems the closest
Bro I was paid by Need For Speed to make this video
i like how FM7 use vegetation like bushes ecc, looks pretty good.
Every game has it soul i go with forza if they continue to make better sound, race warning flags, better penalty system night rivals and we could go on and on 😂
Good comparison! 👍
Thanks bro!
ACC but where is my PS5DLC?
May I ask, which simracing game has the best teaching part? 'Cause I play GT7, but those license tests and demo runs are far from teaching. :)
Keep an eye on something I am launching imminently on my site www.simracenews.com 🙃
gt7 is already the best to start. if you play acc first you will be lost 😂 You should read the description before you drive, I think it's quite informative. If you want to start ACC, I highly recommend the TLDR playlist from the TH-cam Channel Aris.Drives. It covers the topics from the very basics the the advanced driving and tuning techniques, and explains the physics behind them. And they're also easy to follow!😁
@terrylu4894 as someone who does acc mostly, I couldn't agree more... gt7 and forza are where you get your feet wet, acc and iracing are both straight out sims and will most likely frustrate beginners. That said, all of them do have the option to put down an 'ideal line' to help if you need it, just the 2 simcade titles have much more forgiving driving physics models. I'd only recommend acc and iracing to those with experience, and iracing only to those with a very fat wallet.
@@rogerdiz3520 my real cars never frustrate me!🤔😂
Forgot to add... and this is ACC specific, you'll really only get the most out of ACC by joining groups on discord, who have a rule set you can live with as the single player experience is limited as is the AI, and the multi-player open lobbies can have some really bad driving standards.
As an xbox owner and regular ring driver... got to say ACC looks the best 😂 typical we can't have it
Great post good shit. I love sim racing and prefer iracing all day.
Wel it is a no brainer for me - l I only have the ACC game, so the Nord track in ACC is the best for me, period. Why should I even watch the video if I don't have the other games.
I don't do IRacing, Forza, or Gran Turismo games because of either cost, subscriptions, or don't have any console systems.
I don't have the ACC Nord track yet, but waiting for a sale price on STEAM when it becomes available. Enjoy all the other ACC tracks and cars. I have watched allot of You Tube videos of races with the ACC Nord track and looks great.
Take care.
Is Nordshleife coming to ps5 in ACC.
for me ACC is by far the best version
Insane
ACC by far the best.
I Racing by far the worst.