I'm sure you guys are aware of this by now but these decks are confirmed to have been designed prior to the zendikar ones, so the zendikar ones being better is a good sign of progressive development, not, what some people seem to think, a decline in the quality
@@Tupiaz true, I haven't. I have most of the reprints anyway but I have long ago learned my own voting with my wallet has little effect as MTG is big business and I am but a tiny cog.
@@wyrrd yes the precon commander decks are a great place to start playing commander. And the cheap set decks they have released recently are great. I would say get either the blue/black rogue deck. Or one of the 2 that came out with Kaldheim set.
i feel stonehewer giant is perfect actually, the deck doesn't have a lot of creatures anyways but open the armory is still great, id want at least 5 kind of tutors.
It's nice that Boros is having a lot of good commanders that are synergistic with each other. Equipments are still a niche deck building restriction, but if you put Wyleth, Akiri, Sram and Reyav together the deck feels very coherent and one single swing gives you so much value. Also, am I the only one thinking on building Wyleth with an Aura theme?
I agree with you on the boros thing. I know that most people hate on boros for being narrowly a combat focused color combination. But I actually like that its sticking to its flavor/keeping its identity.
@@chriso4529 You can easily keep it boros and make other decks. Make a commander which gives other creatures myriad. That way you have a change at making a go wide strategy.
@@chriso4529 Yeah, I don't care about Boros being super combat focused, but if that's the case then we need more efficiency. The thing that bothers me the most is that I can't put Feather in my Winota deck, this trend of commanders in the same vein helps, maybe Akiri isn't top tier but with all this pieces together it becomes better
Word of seizing can grab a planeswalker and ult it. You can also grab a cradle, steal a voltron commnder, blow out a combo or alpha strike, and in very desperate situations, grant haste to a creature you just played.
Finally! I am so happy we're getting actually good Boros Equipment cards. I've been playing since Fate Reforged and trying to find a good and fun Boros deck together ever since (It's my absolute favorite guild). If this exact pre-con had come out 2-3 years ago, it would have been bonkers. Sadly, there has been a lot of power creep. Nevertheless, I enjoy this way more than the niche strategies (Think FS&SS, Feather and even Winota) being the color combination's only highlights. They of course should exist too, but these cards all build towards Boros combat strategies being actually viable in multiplayer EDH. Which I think will be good for both Boros Fans like myself, as for the format as a whole. Combat being actually dangerous and relevant could help pull EDH back from the Ramp/Combo exclusive meta we have now. Can't combo if you're dead! Some other suggestions for aspirant Boros Equipment players: Akiri, Fearless Voyager (probably still good enough effects to include, even in a more focused Voltron build) Reyav, Master Smith (cheap uncommon from CMR, no voltron is complete without Double Strike) Puresteel Paladin (better Sram, with super equipment synergy) Tome of Legends (good in any commander-combat focused deck, cheap in mana and money cost, get it while you still can) Heavenly Blademaster (can be a good top-end, would proabably need a more upgraded equipment package though) Danitha Capashen (alternative beater, makes equipment cheaper) I feel the deck can be build in a way where Akiri and Wyren (and to a lesser extent Reyav) are fairly interchangeable. Basically just drop the aura subtheme, which I think might be a good idea anyway. Baller cards (no explanation, their power should be obvious): Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor, Batterskull, Sword of X&Y (take your pick) Also, replace the boardwipes with ones that actually synergize with a voltron synegy like Single Combat And look at the Command Zone's video on Akiri. I put in the ZNR lands and Crucible of World on their recommendation, and it feels very smooth. I really hope they keep the Boros hot streak going in Kaldheim I have good hope, dwarves and more equipment please?
Don't forget the Rupture Spire and Transguild Promonade in the two color deck that is low curve 😂😂😂 Their thoughts are same as mine. Wouldn't even play them in a budget 5 color deck
@@leemiller6977 Yea just the land that was already printed in the set with it would have been fine. Hell I'd be much happier if they were basics so new players don't have to play with such an insulting Mana base. Overall the balance in this deck design is pretty embarrassing. Don't get me wrong for $20 it's not an awful product in terms of contents, but in terms of a deck I wouldn't feel comfortable with telling a friend to sit down and play with this deck even if it's only against other precons.
I think the reprint value is low because they're not reprints that everyone is after, like anything green. But for boros/equipment there's good stuff here that just happens to be cheaper than whats more popular. If reprints are going to drop prices anyway, I like having more strategies covered by that effect. Edit: now that I think about it, Puresteel Paladin would have been fine in here but its just missing for no reason. Ignore me
I think the Blazing Sunsteel does go in the "stop hitting yourself deck." It goes infinite with Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter. Deal damage, then Stuffy Doll can hit something else with its own trigger while hitting itself again with the Sunsteel. 6 mana is still a lot, but 6 mana to win the game? Maybe worth.
I was always thinking you could go more auras than equipment, and get Sigil of the Empty Throne in the deck for added value. I'd also add All That Glitters to go with the strat and Zirda, the Dawnbreaker to make equipment cost lessened.
You could skew the deck hard into W and add a lifegain/lifelink theme, then add both the Sigil (good call, btw) and Angelic Accord. Angels for days! 👍👍
This seems like a good purchase to me. Not to play of course, but to strip for parts. The instants and equipment might help fill out my Feather the Redeemed and Nahiri decks.
i stumbled on this channel, so far it is helping me knowing what i bought. i getting back into the game after over a year of not playing after i sold all my cards last janurary.
Hey guys, huge fan of the show! It's clear you guys aren't feeling the deck and perhaps that was what was making the review seem laborious. I think if the deck doesn't inspire you guys, you should try and take it in a direction that's completely different than what the pre-con suggests. Maybe you make a deck with the wackiest equipment out there, or do warrior tribal?! Just a suggestion!
Gift of immortality is better except for that when your commander dies and returns all the attached auras would've been destroyed and the equipment would need to be reequipped am I wrong?
It's better if you don't want to keep casting your commander. But giving indestructible keeps your equipment/auras on the target. If you have pure steel and a bunch of equipment then gift is better
Open the Armory should have been the FIRST thing you added. With the reprint it's now 44 cents. Puresteel Paladin is only 4.11 so that definitely needs to go in too.
Can flickerwisp be used move an aura from one creature to another? That is the only thing I could possibly think would be useful if you put an aura on a different creature and wanted to move it to Wyleth.
Hey I was just thinking they thought Wyleth would go into an akiri deck but I feel like it is the other way since akiri can only draw one card and Wylethcan draw you multiple card
I would say open the armory and sword of the animist would be very nice upgrades. They certainly give you lots of room for improvement out of the box...
Blazing Sunsteel's equip cost makes a lot more sense once you realize it goes infinite with Brash Taunter... like the Godo + Helm combo, it can't be cheap in terms of mana.
Theme-wise though, Blazing Sunsteel is the weapon on Wyleth's hand in the artwork. So, making it a little difficult for him to equip without the enablers just feels uninspired. It should've had something like Nazahn and his hammer.
It must be his haircut, it's the only part of his picture that looks remotely feminine. Or maybe he was a she when they were testing Commander Legends at WotC :P Still, shows who doesn't read flavour text on cards! Blazing Sunsteel makes reference to Wyleth by "his".
I was SUPER excited about this commander. I don’t love the way they prebuilt it though, my sun forget package is only 10 instants. The way I built it is a little more expensive though, using Hammer of Nazahn, puresteel paladin, Zirda the Dawnwaker and sigardas aid for cheating equip costs, then Heavenly Baldemaster as a potential backup plan for when Wyleth has been killed four times and is not longer castable
I'm a little sad that they ignored Open the Armory and Puresteel Paladin. Puresteel is an awesome card for any equipment deck. Granted it's a little more expensive, but only about $3 more than steelshaper's gift.
Jake and Joel are magic did an upgrade video and they included both those cards. I know this because I ordered one of each of those to use to upgrade the deck. Also Stoneforge Mystic, even though it isn’t budget. 😁
I think you guys underestimate sword of vengeance. It's clunky and slow for a 8/10 deck or above, which this deck really isn't. Even after the suggested upgrades is a 5/10 or maybe 6/10 if you're generous. The oomph that the sword gives is really valuable for casual play
puresteel paladin is the card I thought of that I'm surprised you guys didn't mention. Not sure what I'm going to do with this deck. I could try and beef up a Wyleth deck, or scrap it for parts for an Akiri or even Syr Gwyn deck. I need to figure out who I want to actually make my equipment commander
@@robertcales8544 In your experience do you get to cast Syr Gwyn every game? I tried her brawl precon and well. It didn't impress but I know commander is a different animal
@@Antare5 In commander, I have always been able to play Syr Gwyn at least once a game. One important thing is to keep all the ramp in and get cheap equipment (mana cost wise, equip costs are circumvented most of the time).
I could be wrong, but I think flickerwisp was in there to shift around an aura from one creature to another if needed. Not a great add, but I think by that was the thought process.
Flickerwisp is in the deck to "reequip" auras to other creatures when they come back to the field. I guess it's there to be able to reattach auras to Wyleth if you've played them on something else first, but with so few targets to use this effect it is indeed a head scratcher. You can also flick your opponents stuff, but you wouldn't really run that card just for that. Tho, I'm happy they are keeping it's price low with reprints.
@@mondananikoukari8928 Not really extra. The biggest downside to Aura's is not being able to move them around and when the creature dies, the aura goes away. This allows you to negate one of those negatives in a deck with heavy auras. There are few other things that allows you to move auras around in boros. So in a precon that isn't supposed to be tier 6-10 out of the box, this provides surprising utility. It can also flicker one of your own creatures that has, let's say, a pacify on it and in a deck focused on one or two suited up creatures that can be useful.
You can use this deck for additional pieces to the Jirina commander deck from earlier this year. Lots of synergy to boost the soldiers that are gonna swing it.
@@bobbye4369 prince can't remove a commander until the end of turn though. Flickerwisp is vastly more useful than almost all players realise. I played Eldrazi and taxes for a long time, and flickerwisp is pretty much one of the strongest cards due to the insane plays it can set up, especially with a wasteland strangler 👹
Some card i wish they would have included that aren’t tons of money, but would have fit well. Sad robot, sword of animist, relic seeker, shadowspear, Leonin Shikari, Mesa enchantress
I just thought of it now but you could sing "It's ain't a scene it's an arms race" of Fall Out Boy and now I'm sad you didn't Still a great job you provided us, big thanks to you guys
Ok this my opinion I love the show but I prefer people get dragon shield sleeves instead ultra pro just sticks to much and it gets worse but I switched to dragon shield and I love them and the feel and they really show the art of my deck there just all around amazing
I think flickerwisp was put in to move auras around. Granted, it's completely outclassed by the new white partner, but it targets any permanent, so that seems the most likely reason.
I just played this earlier today and Flickerwisp was actually useful. My opponent had the new simic deck, so his creatures were three times the size of mine and Flickerwisp was my only flyer. Also, it allowed me to flicker Oreskos Explorer twice for extra ramp. I expect to break this one down and file it. If I were upgrading, based on how that first game went, the first thing I'd add would be Leonin Abunas.
oreskos explorer isn't ramp. it just searches in your hand. but for 4 mana and the restriction that you have to be behind for it to do anything, it should put at least one on the field
just spitballing here: what would you say is a new and interesting angle and direction for boros they should take the colours in?? Besides always combat + equipment and fixing their card draw and ramp.
I've been designing a Boros commander deck trying to come up with some unique angles that fit the colour pie. The general theme I picked is: "Things which buff when an opponent controls 6+ lands" That's a white-like effect but the bonuses will be a mixture like a red card that buffs your creatures' power by the number of lands an opponent controls above 6. Card advantage, combat bonuses, etc. gained in a kind of "levelling the playing field" way but with the combat bonuses being the most efficiently costed. It's also got a fitting ramp card: -- Bushfire 2WRR - rare - sorcery Choose an opponent. Destroy target land they control. For each land destroyed both you and the land's controller search their libraries for a basic mountain or plains card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. If an opponent controls 6 or more lands then instead do this for each opponent.
If split second is on the stack, nothing that uses the stack can go onto the stack until it resolves. So no sacrifice in response but you can morph in response!
I actually like this deck a lot and thats mainly because if I want to build a Boros equipments deck this gives me a proper base for the theme. What I mean by that is that it really doesn't have to many "second best" options. you get the swords to plowshares, the boros charm, sunforger, sigardas aid, generous gift, wear/tear etc. Any card I don't have to switch is a + in my book and this was my problem with the last naya deck because obuun plays differently from the naya style the 99 enforced. with this base I can also start building Ardenn/rograkh etc. whereas with obuun I almost felt I had to switch commanders
Going to give the deck a shot after I adjust it. Removing 4 lands to start and putting in Nahiri, heir to the ancients. 11 creatures is just to little so adding her for some free blockers. Also maybe adding Rings of Brighthearth
Played it out of the box and I must say, the ability to double drop lands in the command zone on top of the 'Landfall - Draw 1' is a lot more impactful than one might guess. And yes, 44 lands in the deck is *not* too many.
@@aaronpyrez1573 in fact they do not, they're just basing simic around the best things green and blue respectively does, ramp and card draw that is, which are infamous to be the best things you can hope for in a commander game, so every commander they're making following this logic will instantly be better than most other legends.
The only problem with the simic deck is its slow out the gate. If you were to smooth out the curve a little bit, add a few more landfall cards and maybe azusa, and yeah it'd be great.
@@spudster8887 This was my experience too. Both games I played with it went like this: Shields down until turn 4 or 5, by this time I'm at about 25 life, then I get my commander out and 1-2 turns later everyone is wondering how I'm playing three 6 or 7 drops a turn. The deck doesn't have any mana doublers btw.
@@therealax6 I am guessing that they first realized it, when they had already shot it all, and were doing the editing. Could have made a note I guess...
Flicker wisp is in the deck in order to flicker the creature that might block and kill the commander. I know it is stupid but it is probably the reason why it is in
Flickerwisp has to be in the deck in order to flicker your own Auras so that you can move them among your creatures. Honestly, it is garbage in this deck though (even for that purpose), and the fact that Auras need it to shift them makes them easy removals from the deck too.
I kinda wanna put Kemba Kha Regent and the other "when this creature is equipped get a thing" leonin cards. That and some of the jankier red stuff like deretti, faithless looting and other red draw might make this deck go smoother. I also wanna put open the armory as an additional tutor... all in all despite its drawbacks I think im gonna try this deck out
me and my brother say keep blazing sunsteel the same but it costs 1 and a hybrid boros have either the hammer of nezahn effect to auto equip equipment or have an effect when it deals combat damage to an opponent you gain mana of one color equiped creature’s color identity equal to the damage.
flickerwisp has some synergy with dualcaster mage, kor cartographer, Oreskos Explorer, unqestioned Authority, faith unbroken or Ironclad slayer where you could decide what you need at that time but it is not the deck that you will think about putting it.
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I think Open the armory is a better option than the Stonehewer Giant, and a budget option to Steelshaper's Gift plus you can search an aura.
Its also got reprinted in Commander legends
This is the right opinion
It comes in the deck.
@@michaelmaurath109 Open the Armory does not come in the precon.
Drives me nuts they said stonehewer over open the armory.
Best upgrade guide:
Step 1: take out 3 random cards
Step 2: put in Helm, Sword, and Shield of Kaldra
Step 3: Lose to Crim
Decksperado...
LMFAO. Pretty much.
And Naya Panorama
You have to remove sol ring and add Hedron archive
@@nicholasrolo886 Hedron Archive
I'm sure you guys are aware of this by now but these decks are confirmed to have been designed prior to the zendikar ones, so the zendikar ones being better is a good sign of progressive development, not, what some people seem to think, a decline in the quality
Well that's good to know! Thanks for sharing!
Did not know, where is your source?
Gavin's podcast did confirm this. I just hope they dont pull a wizards and realize they can still give us less and know people will still buy.
@@gypsieking3280 Easy solution don't buy this deck.
@@Tupiaz true, I haven't. I have most of the reprints anyway but I have long ago learned my own voting with my wallet has little effect as MTG is big business and I am but a tiny cog.
Just a reminder that the Commander legends precons were actually designed first so if it seems like they took a step backwards they really didn't.
could i play a commander with a pre-built like this?
@@wyrrd yes the precon commander decks are a great place to start playing commander. And the cheap set decks they have released recently are great. I would say get either the blue/black rogue deck. Or one of the 2 that came out with Kaldheim set.
Flickerwisp is to move auras, still not great but yeah
bump
But how would it do that? When the creature is flickered, the auras all go to the graveyard. Is there some interaction I'm missing?
@@therealax6 You Flicker the aura, the rules then determine that the player who owns it gets to choose which creature it enchants back.
@@felipeakira9568 Oh, right, it can blink any permanent. For some reason I had it stuck in my mind that it had to blink a creature. Thanks!
@@therealax6 Yes it can target the aura not the creature
People are seriously sleeping on this guy. He’s super good, the Trample is insanely good on a Voltron commander too. I love him!
Yes, but the deck isn't good
We had a guy playing this precon out of the box against our decks and it held it's own. We suck lol
Just bought this deck and it is pretty mean for the cost.
I just bought that deck and it is incredibly fast and awesome
Yeah it was a pretty awesome deck.
instead of stonehewer giant, put in "Open the Armory".
For sure. 2 mana sorcery to get an Aura or equipment makes it faster and more flexible. I use it in all my decks that rely on equipment.
@Servbot 40 of course if you have 3 targets you really want then a cheap tutor to get 1/3 of great for the deck
i feel stonehewer giant is perfect actually, the deck doesn't have a lot of creatures anyways but open the armory is still great, id want at least 5 kind of tutors.
I was going to comment that too. They missed that one hard, its 2$.
They should be playing all tutors possible
It's nice that Boros is having a lot of good commanders that are synergistic with each other. Equipments are still a niche deck building restriction, but if you put Wyleth, Akiri, Sram and Reyav together the deck feels very coherent and one single swing gives you so much value.
Also, am I the only one thinking on building Wyleth with an Aura theme?
That's what I went with too. Being able to swing every turn and draw like 6-7 cards is awesome.
the big downside to auras is they can be super vulnerable to removal unless your running Open the Vaults, Replenish or
Retether
I agree with you on the boros thing. I know that most people hate on boros for being narrowly a combat focused color combination. But I actually like that its sticking to its flavor/keeping its identity.
@@chriso4529 You can easily keep it boros and make other decks. Make a commander which gives other creatures myriad. That way you have a change at making a go wide strategy.
@@chriso4529 Yeah, I don't care about Boros being super combat focused, but if that's the case then we need more efficiency.
The thing that bothers me the most is that I can't put Feather in my Winota deck, this trend of commanders in the same vein helps, maybe Akiri isn't top tier but with all this pieces together it becomes better
There's enough lands in this deck to trick you into thinking its a Green deck
But then you look at the card draw options and you're quickly realizing you play a boros deck
@@Deris76 ha
Word of seizing can grab a planeswalker and ult it. You can also grab a cradle, steal a voltron commnder, blow out a combo or alpha strike, and in very desperate situations, grant haste to a creature you just played.
Finally! I am so happy we're getting actually good Boros Equipment cards. I've been playing since Fate Reforged and trying to find a good and fun Boros deck together ever since (It's my absolute favorite guild). If this exact pre-con had come out 2-3 years ago, it would have been bonkers. Sadly, there has been a lot of power creep. Nevertheless, I enjoy this way more than the niche strategies (Think FS&SS, Feather and even Winota) being the color combination's only highlights. They of course should exist too, but these cards all build towards Boros combat strategies being actually viable in multiplayer EDH. Which I think will be good for both Boros Fans like myself, as for the format as a whole. Combat being actually dangerous and relevant could help pull EDH back from the Ramp/Combo exclusive meta we have now. Can't combo if you're dead!
Some other suggestions for aspirant Boros Equipment players:
Akiri, Fearless Voyager (probably still good enough effects to include, even in a more focused Voltron build)
Reyav, Master Smith (cheap uncommon from CMR, no voltron is complete without Double Strike)
Puresteel Paladin (better Sram, with super equipment synergy)
Tome of Legends (good in any commander-combat focused deck, cheap in mana and money cost, get it while you still can)
Heavenly Blademaster (can be a good top-end, would proabably need a more upgraded equipment package though)
Danitha Capashen (alternative beater, makes equipment cheaper)
I feel the deck can be build in a way where Akiri and Wyren (and to a lesser extent Reyav) are fairly interchangeable. Basically just drop the aura subtheme, which I think might be a good idea anyway.
Baller cards (no explanation, their power should be obvious):
Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor, Batterskull, Sword of X&Y (take your pick)
Also, replace the boardwipes with ones that actually synergize with a voltron synegy like Single Combat
And look at the Command Zone's video on Akiri. I put in the ZNR lands and Crucible of World on their recommendation, and it feels very smooth.
I really hope they keep the Boros hot streak going in Kaldheim I have good hope, dwarves and more equipment please?
Excellent suggestions!
I feel like this deck would have been a great place to reprint Steelshapers Gift. Really disappointed it wasn't included.
I feel like the scry lands would be the perfect non basics to put in these cheaper edh precons. They just help smooth out game play.
I think Ardenn from Commander Legends is a great add to this deck. Helps re-equip and swing.
Just replace Wylenn with the partners Rograhh and Ardenn, add collusses hammer, and Grafted Exoskeleton.
Don't forget the Rupture Spire and Transguild Promonade in the two color deck that is low curve 😂😂😂 Their thoughts are same as mine. Wouldn't even play them in a budget 5 color deck
Those are wierd inclusions given we got the good lands from previews commander product reprinted.
They totally could have put Battlefield Forge and Inspiring Vantage in instead......or something. WTF to that.
@@leemiller6977 Yea just the land that was already printed in the set with it would have been fine. Hell I'd be much happier if they were basics so new players don't have to play with such an insulting Mana base. Overall the balance in this deck design is pretty embarrassing. Don't get me wrong for $20 it's not an awful product in terms of contents, but in terms of a deck I wouldn't feel comfortable with telling a friend to sit down and play with this deck even if it's only against other precons.
I want a Ultr-Pro ad where you shuffle your own decks on camera so we see the sweet shuffle feel in action.
LOL 🤣
I think the reprint value is low because they're not reprints that everyone is after, like anything green. But for boros/equipment there's good stuff here that just happens to be cheaper than whats more popular.
If reprints are going to drop prices anyway, I like having more strategies covered by that effect.
Edit: now that I think about it, Puresteel Paladin would have been fine in here but its just missing for no reason. Ignore me
so true...
also if you want smothering tithe just buy the orzhov recon deck for one of the revnica set
The Enthralling Victor ad was fantastic. Incredibly clever.
Ardenn, Interpid Archaeologist is one that makes sense to add
I was looking forward to this episode! since I bought that deck and with your help I will improve it. thanks! You are great
Did you notice, Blazing Sunsteel is the sword that Wyleth is holding,on his card?
That's really cool, doubt they noticed though, they were busy adding crappy low cost equipment.
@@faerie7dragon it's the key card!
I think the Blazing Sunsteel does go in the "stop hitting yourself deck." It goes infinite with Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter. Deal damage, then Stuffy Doll can hit something else with its own trigger while hitting itself again with the Sunsteel. 6 mana is still a lot, but 6 mana to win the game? Maybe worth.
wizards could have easily put a puresteel paladin alongside sram in the precon
Puresteel is like 4 times the price
I was always thinking you could go more auras than equipment, and get Sigil of the Empty Throne in the deck for added value. I'd also add All That Glitters to go with the strat and Zirda, the Dawnbreaker to make equipment cost lessened.
You could skew the deck hard into W and add a lifegain/lifelink theme, then add both the Sigil (good call, btw) and Angelic Accord. Angels for days! 👍👍
This seems like a good purchase to me. Not to play of course, but to strip for parts. The instants and equipment might help fill out my Feather the Redeemed and Nahiri decks.
That what I’m doing I’ll let you know how well it works in 2022 now but seems like a good purchase love that it includes a soul ring
ROGUE’S GLOVES and MASK OF MEMORY!! Slap those on your deck
Definitely mask of memory. Maybe not rogue's gloves.
and infiltration lens
@@mondananikoukari8928 not a big fan of that one either.
i stumbled on this channel, so far it is helping me knowing what i bought. i getting back into the game after over a year of not playing after i sold all my cards last janurary.
Just got this deck from my sister! Super excited to get into magic!
Sword of the Animist should be an auto include since you want to attack and it will get you a land.
Yup
Hey guys, huge fan of the show! It's clear you guys aren't feeling the deck and perhaps that was what was making the review seem laborious. I think if the deck doesn't inspire you guys, you should try and take it in a direction that's completely different than what the pre-con suggests. Maybe you make a deck with the wackiest equipment out there, or do warrior tribal?! Just a suggestion!
Gift of immortality is better except for that when your commander dies and returns all the attached auras would've been destroyed and the equipment would need to be reequipped am I wrong?
you give him Indestructible
It's better if you don't want to keep casting your commander. But giving indestructible keeps your equipment/auras on the target. If you have pure steel and a bunch of equipment then gift is better
Gift is worse in voltron. Indestructibility is better because , on top of what was said, you can wrath to clear the blockers and swing freely.
Open the Armory should have been the FIRST thing you added. With the reprint it's now 44 cents.
Puresteel Paladin is only 4.11 so that definitely needs to go in too.
Can flickerwisp be used move an aura from one creature to another? That is the only thing I could possibly think would be useful if you put an aura on a different creature and wanted to move it to Wyleth.
Hey I was just thinking they thought Wyleth would go into an akiri deck but I feel like it is the other way since akiri can only draw one card and Wylethcan draw you multiple card
Was 2nd in my 1st commander game using that deck.
I put commander plate in and that's pretty awesome with wyleth
I would say open the armory and sword of the animist would be very nice upgrades. They certainly give you lots of room for improvement out of the box...
Isnt there a 2 Mana equipment Tutor from Shadows over innistrad? „Open the Armory“ of Something like That.
Blazing Sunsteel's equip cost makes a lot more sense once you realize it goes infinite with Brash Taunter... like the Godo + Helm combo, it can't be cheap in terms of mana.
Yeah god forbid boros do something
Theme-wise though, Blazing Sunsteel is the weapon on Wyleth's hand in the artwork. So, making it a little difficult for him to equip without the enablers just feels uninspired. It should've had something like Nazahn and his hammer.
Board the Weatherlight may only search the top five but with so many equipment you're bound to find something
Can also grab one of the legendary creatures.
Nazahn's Hammer. That one thing you did that no one will ever let you get away from.
What's the price on this? Feels like a reasonable upgrade.
I don't know why, but this deck looks less cheap when you just read it. It has quite a handful of best equipment things
I'm glad that I had some of the same thoughts when upgrading this deck on my own (flickerwisp, odric, too many lands)
I hate to say it but I would've loved to have seen a 50 dollar budget options and really give the deck some more bang for it's buck
WYLETH IS A GUY! both of you keep calling him a her.
It must be his haircut, it's the only part of his picture that looks remotely feminine. Or maybe he was a she when they were testing Commander Legends at WotC :P Still, shows who doesn't read flavour text on cards! Blazing Sunsteel makes reference to Wyleth by "his".
Right on the packaging it talks about him as a guy...
much trueness
He's transitioning 😂
@@Areinu same haircut as Killmonger in Black Panther
Well, I was looking for a low level commander deck, this way I can have multiple decks of varying powers for different playgroups.
Would tenza, godos maul and puresteel Paladin be good in the deck
Puresteel paladin definitely would be. Tenza maybe not as much.
@@jacobjensen7704 true
I finally watched the new Mulan. Cool to see you there.
yeah it was
Single combat is a pretty good wipe for voltron decks
I was SUPER excited about this commander. I don’t love the way they prebuilt it though, my sun forget package is only 10 instants. The way I built it is a little more expensive though, using Hammer of Nazahn, puresteel paladin, Zirda the Dawnwaker and sigardas aid for cheating equip costs, then Heavenly Baldemaster as a potential backup plan for when Wyleth has been killed four times and is not longer castable
I'm a little sad that they ignored Open the Armory and Puresteel Paladin. Puresteel is an awesome card for any equipment deck. Granted it's a little more expensive, but only about $3 more than steelshaper's gift.
Jake and Joel are magic did an upgrade video and they included both those cards. I know this because I ordered one of each of those to use to upgrade the deck. Also Stoneforge Mystic, even though it isn’t budget. 😁
@@joshuamartin9707 I have both in my wyleth deck. They provide good consistency that boros otherwise lacks
? purestell is only like three dollars
I think you guys underestimate sword of vengeance. It's clunky and slow for a 8/10 deck or above, which this deck really isn't. Even after the suggested upgrades is a 5/10 or maybe 6/10 if you're generous. The oomph that the sword gives is really valuable for casual play
Find a spot for reconnaissance. It’s perfect for the commander
One of the first cards I got out of a Zendikar Rising booster was a full art Nahiri Heir of the Ancients. Going to be buying this to slide her in
I think you all should play these upgraded pre-cons on Game Knights. Maybe have an episode where you play with the last 4 decks you have upgraded?
They could base it off EDHRec average decks or something as a baseline. Or attach a value cap to it.
Well there is also the white uncommon legendary which lets u attach auras and equipments for free at the beginning of combat, he would fit!
puresteel paladin is the card I thought of that I'm surprised you guys didn't mention.
Not sure what I'm going to do with this deck. I could try and beef up a Wyleth deck, or scrap it for parts for an Akiri or even Syr Gwyn deck. I need to figure out who I want to actually make my equipment commander
Syr Gwyn is best because you can choose whether to go wide with lots of Knights, or just buff Syr Gwyn.
I really enjoy my Syr Gwyn deck. I highly recommend her 😁
@@robertcales8544 In your experience do you get to cast Syr Gwyn every game? I tried her brawl precon and well. It didn't impress but I know commander is a different animal
Do Ardenn + Rograhk or Akiri. Or go with Zendikar Akiri.
@@Antare5 In commander, I have always been able to play Syr Gwyn at least once a game. One important thing is to keep all the ramp in and get cheap equipment (mana cost wise, equip costs are circumvented most of the time).
I picked up both decks this weekend and I think this will be the one I build. Although I already have 2 Voltron decks built in Sram and Syr Gwen.
I could be wrong, but I think flickerwisp was in there to shift around an aura from one creature to another if needed. Not a great add, but I think by that was the thought process.
Flickerwisp is in the deck to "reequip" auras to other creatures when they come back to the field. I guess it's there to be able to reattach auras to Wyleth if you've played them on something else first, but with so few targets to use this effect it is indeed a head scratcher. You can also flick your opponents stuff, but you wouldn't really run that card just for that. Tho, I'm happy they are keeping it's price low with reprints.
With flickerwisp, you can flicker an aura onto another creature.
Still it feels kind of extra, just add in something better.
@@mondananikoukari8928 Not really extra. The biggest downside to Aura's is not being able to move them around and when the creature dies, the aura goes away. This allows you to negate one of those negatives in a deck with heavy auras. There are few other things that allows you to move auras around in boros. So in a precon that isn't supposed to be tier 6-10 out of the box, this provides surprising utility. It can also flicker one of your own creatures that has, let's say, a pacify on it and in a deck focused on one or two suited up creatures that can be useful.
but like these decks only cost like 15-20 bucks,. why is the reprint cost being 5x the cost of the product a problem.
35:00 something i'd like to point out to people about this card is it'll trigger any creature with effects like Infect, Deathtouch, and Lifelink
Possible synergy with Blazing Sunsteel, Inquisitor's Flail. Equipped creature does double damage but takes double damage
Oh snap
You can use this deck for additional pieces to the Jirina commander deck from earlier this year. Lots of synergy to boost the soldiers that are gonna swing it.
Is there a reason that open the armory isn't mentioned? Seems like a perfect fit and cheaper than steelshaper's gift.
I found a creature this deck needs. Champion of the flame, 1/1 trample for 1 and a red, he gets a +2/2 for each aura and equipment attached to it.
I think flickerwhisp is in there for if they steal your commander you could flicker it back to your side of the battlefield
Charming Prince would be a better replacement then, since you can bounce back if it's stolen, or use the Scry or lifegain as needed.
@@bobbye4369 prince can't remove a commander until the end of turn though. Flickerwisp is vastly more useful than almost all players realise. I played Eldrazi and taxes for a long time, and flickerwisp is pretty much one of the strongest cards due to the insane plays it can set up, especially with a wasteland strangler 👹
Some card i wish they would have included that aren’t tons of money, but would have fit well. Sad robot, sword of animist, relic seeker, shadowspear, Leonin Shikari, Mesa enchantress
Yup
Relic seeker is in the deck
Sword of the animist and Shadowspear are like £7-12 each
I just thought of it now but you could sing "It's ain't a scene it's an arms race" of Fall Out Boy and now I'm sad you didn't
Still a great job you provided us, big thanks to you guys
song kinda looses it flow without the "GODDAMN" lyric in there tho...
Ok this my opinion I love the show but I prefer people get dragon shield sleeves instead ultra pro just sticks to much and it gets worse but I switched to dragon shield and I love them and the feel and they really show the art of my deck there just all around amazing
Greetings humans, you have entered the fun zone. Your destination for all aspects of fun and games highlander. Enjoy your stay. Oh we will don't worry
Thank you! With every bone, down to the marrow, thank you for not singing.
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I think flickerwisp was put in to move auras around. Granted, it's completely outclassed by the new white partner, but it targets any permanent, so that seems the most likely reason.
(37:40) You can also put in Stonehewer Giant, he's only $6.99. 😎👍
I'm surprised you did not include Mask of Memory in your list. While you do have to land damager to your opponent, draw 3 discard 1 is pretty good.
I think you guys missed Ardenn, Intrpid Archeaoligist. It solves a LOT of the problems.
I just played this earlier today and Flickerwisp was actually useful. My opponent had the new simic deck, so his creatures were three times the size of mine and Flickerwisp was my only flyer. Also, it allowed me to flicker Oreskos Explorer twice for extra ramp.
I expect to break this one down and file it. If I were upgrading, based on how that first game went, the first thing I'd add would be Leonin Abunas.
oreskos explorer isn't ramp. it just searches in your hand. but for 4 mana and the restriction that you have to be behind for it to do anything, it should put at least one on the field
There is a bunch of other sorceries that cost 2 mana that search for equipment. Open the armory is an example and it finds auras too
But the Giant cheats cast AND equip costs, provides a body to be equiped and is reusable.
Dragon Shield sleeves for the win!
just spitballing here: what would you say is a new and interesting angle and direction for boros they should take the colours in?? Besides always combat + equipment and fixing their card draw and ramp.
Blowing up lands?
I always though Feather along with Firesong and Sunspeaker were interesting Boros directions for Commanders.
I've been designing a Boros commander deck trying to come up with some unique angles that fit the colour pie. The general theme I picked is:
"Things which buff when an opponent controls 6+ lands"
That's a white-like effect but the bonuses will be a mixture like a red card that buffs your creatures' power by the number of lands an opponent controls above 6. Card advantage, combat bonuses, etc. gained in a kind of "levelling the playing field" way but with the combat bonuses being the most efficiently costed.
It's also got a fitting ramp card:
-- Bushfire
2WRR - rare - sorcery
Choose an opponent. Destroy target land they control. For each land destroyed both you and the land's controller search their libraries for a basic mountain or plains card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. If an opponent controls 6 or more lands then instead do this for each opponent.
great video and great comments too. I really need to upgrade this deck xD
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If split second is on the stack, nothing that uses the stack can go onto the stack until it resolves. So no sacrifice in response but you can morph in response!
I actually like this deck a lot and thats mainly because if I want to build a Boros equipments deck this gives me a proper base for the theme. What I mean by that is that it really doesn't have to many "second best" options. you get the swords to plowshares, the boros charm, sunforger, sigardas aid, generous gift, wear/tear etc. Any card I don't have to switch is a + in my book and this was my problem with the last naya deck because obuun plays differently from the naya style the 99 enforced. with this base I can also start building Ardenn/rograkh etc. whereas with obuun I almost felt I had to switch commanders
Going to give the deck a shot after I adjust it. Removing 4 lands to start and putting in Nahiri, heir to the ancients. 11 creatures is just to little so adding her for some free blockers. Also maybe adding Rings of Brighthearth
Simic deck doesn't even need an upgrade guide its good enough as is
Yeah, cause as always they need to push Simic SUPER hard!
Played it out of the box and I must say, the ability to double drop lands in the command zone on top of the 'Landfall - Draw 1' is a lot more impactful than one might guess.
And yes, 44 lands in the deck is *not* too many.
@@aaronpyrez1573 in fact they do not, they're just basing simic around the best things green and blue respectively does, ramp and card draw that is, which are infamous to be the best things you can hope for in a commander game, so every commander they're making following this logic will instantly be better than most other legends.
The only problem with the simic deck is its slow out the gate. If you were to smooth out the curve a little bit, add a few more landfall cards and maybe azusa, and yeah it'd be great.
@@spudster8887 This was my experience too. Both games I played with it went like this:
Shields down until turn 4 or 5, by this time I'm at about 25 life, then I get my commander out and 1-2 turns later everyone is wondering how I'm playing three 6 or 7 drops a turn. The deck doesn't have any mana doublers btw.
Flickerwisp might be in the deck to reattach auras?
well spotted
Only thing I could think of
Bludgeon brawl is great if you are playing smothering tithe, or play a lot of mana rocks.
Is it just me, or did someone else cringe when Josh multiple times call the deck Arm for Combat, when it's clearly labeled Arm for Battle?
I couldn't believe they kept getting it wrong!
@@therealax6 I am guessing that they first realized it, when they had already shot it all, and were doing the editing. Could have made a note I guess...
Flicker wisp is in the deck in order to flicker the creature that might block and kill the commander. I know it is stupid but it is probably the reason why it is in
Flickerwisp has to be in the deck in order to flicker your own Auras so that you can move them among your creatures. Honestly, it is garbage in this deck though (even for that purpose), and the fact that Auras need it to shift them makes them easy removals from the deck too.
Flicker DualCaster Mage for an extra ETB effect also. Still not that great though.
Hey guys, just wanted to be "that guy", and remind Jimmy that Wyleth is male.
I kinda wanna put Kemba Kha Regent and the other "when this creature is equipped get a thing" leonin cards. That and some of the jankier red stuff like deretti, faithless looting and other red draw might make this deck go smoother. I also wanna put open the armory as an additional tutor... all in all despite its drawbacks I think im gonna try this deck out
me and my brother say keep blazing sunsteel the same but it costs 1 and a hybrid boros have either the hammer of nezahn effect to auto equip equipment or have an effect when it deals combat damage to an opponent you gain mana of one color equiped creature’s color identity equal to the damage.
Bought this commander deck for £10 on sale, I'm determined to make this work.
flickerwisp has some synergy with dualcaster mage, kor cartographer, Oreskos Explorer, unqestioned Authority, faith unbroken or Ironclad slayer where you could decide what you need at that time but it is not the deck that you will think about putting it.