Ya I don't know what Jimmy is talking about. Nezahal is a brick house. It draws soooo many cards, AND protects itself? I don't know what he was thinking.
I literally had 38 lands out on turn 7 or 8, and they think it’s hard to get to 8 or 9 by the end of the game, the deck is fine with a lot of big threats in it, it’s how to close the game out
3:22 Josh: "It's kind boring." Jimmy: "It's 6 mana do Simic-ity thing." Agree. That's why the Sea Creatures theme seems more interesting. For me it's a good alternate commander for the Arixmethes deck. (and with the pirate decks reappearing in the casual environment, it's a flavor win!)
I was actually mid building Arixmethes sea monsters when this got released. I'm gutting this to use for it and I think I'm actually swapping out Arixmethes for Brinelin and Kodama, so I can just slam down as many big dumb idiot sea monsters down in one turn as possible
Trench Behemoth is actually awesome especially in this deck. 7 mama won’t get blown out because of the hexproof, and it’s the only card I know of that gives you a repeatable effect to bounce lands at instant speed for free.
Plus the attack clause is relevant, too! You can get someone's pesky utility creature to attack into it, providing it doesn't have an activated ability that requires it to tap. It's not as good as removal, but as a landfall trigger, it's nice.
The new eclipse sleeves kinda match up there with them. In durability and shuffle feel. Also the newer dragon shield version catch when they shuffle which they need to fix.
I'm super happy with the ultimate guard katana sleeves. At the risk of sounding like a commercial: they're smooth, durable, have a good shuffle feel, and (the main reason I tried them) the light colors arent't transparent like at all; even the white ones. Would recommend 10/10
Won a game yesterday with the hydra, boardwipe to return all but krakens serpents etc to the hand and then pump the commander to 21, hit face. Never liked the card before, but this seemed quite underhandedly cool.
Man, I really feel like your comments on Nezehal were incredibly off-base. He's an incredible beast. I could understand saying not for this deck, but he's a brilliant card to build around.
@@gregallan4291 thats powercreep in a nutshell. A bad omen for the format if overtuned garbage like a creature with 4 static abilitys AND an activated one is considered "doing nothing". Remember when commanders where not engine, payoff and protection in one card?
@@ich3730 He is a bad draw engine(for the mana cost), attached to a beatstick with no evasion, with his only protection requiring you to throw away your card advantage, which is the reason you played him in the first place. Uncounterable is nice, but not that big of a deal, and no max hand size is so irrelevant that they put it on an untapped land and the result was pretty meh. If you want a vanilla body that draws cards at 7 mana in simic, you are better off playing something like zegana than nezahal.
Good deck, good additions, but you took an interesting concept (big sea creatures) and turned it into a replica of every other simic landfall deck. Best moment for me when I started playing MTG was getting my seven mana Vizzerdrix on the board and hitting someone with it. Maybe that was the idea with this deck, ramp and play big stupid sea monsters because it's cool..?
I did keep the large sea creatures but I am getting them on board consistently on turn 4 to 5 . But I swapped about 25 cards and go between Arixmathes and Aesi as the commander . It was extremely easy to upgrade this deck though so I gotta give WOTC credit for that .
This card was impossible to get rid of for my brothers when i played it with them. Nezehal effectively says you get to keep the 60 card hand you drew off of tatyova and aesi, and will always be around for your upkeep
True, unless you're truly in the 7-8+ power level range. Then, it's a 7+ CMC card that won't win the game. 6 and below though I've personally seen it do well.
Big fan of the show! You guys are great. I think you're super undervaluing Nezahal, though! He's a pretty sturdy engine. He's essentially guaranteed to stick, he draws you a few cards per rotation, and he dodges removal at a zero mana activation.
Completely new to MTG and this was the deck i bought, without seeing this video, my first game was against 3 friends and it stood up really well, helped me learn so much, but this video has helped me more and helped me to edit the deck. by the end of the game i had 20 mana and Molimo Moro-Sorcerer out and it was difficult to defend against. thanks for the tips.
The hydra is so bad that everyone reading it has to read it multiple times. Our brains add words to make it playable. Someone commented how bad this is in comparison to Verdurous Gearhulk (even Zaxama doesn't make that hydra decent)
The one single place where I see place for that Hydra is Animar deck. You pay GGG and basically double the count of counters on Animar. If he has 5 you go to 10(actually it's up to 11, since Animar gets one by himself), which means all your next creatures will be cheaper by 10. But still very situational and limited, and sucks very bad without Animar out.
This upgrade guide doesn't feel very serious, as you would need to take out more than 10 cards to really make the deck work better. Here is how to make the deck better. First take out 9 lands, including Coral Atoll, Memorial to genius, Jungle Basin, Vivid Creek, Vivid Grove, and 4 Basic. Coral Atoll and Jungle Basin force you to return an untapped land to your hand, so they are very bad. There are better ways to draw cards than Memorial to Genius, and the Vivid Lands are tap lands that you don't even need. Put in the following lands : Myriad Landscape, Yavimaya Coast, War Room, Reliquary Tower, Guildless Commons, Arixmethes, the Slumbering Isle, Temple of Mystery, and another dual colored land. Myriad Landscape gets us more lands for Aesi's trigger, Yavimaya Coast is a dual land that comes into play untapped, War Room draws us cards by paying life equal to our commanders color identity, Guildless Commons is a better bounce land that doesn't require us to return an untapped land back to our hand, and Arixmethes is spell technically, but he taps for 2 and is a land primarily for as long as we want him to be, and he will trigger landfall. Temple of Mystery helps fix our mana and lets us make sure our next draw is what we want. The 2nd dual land can be whatever you want, as long as it taps for either green or blue. We are leaving 2 lands out because we still have over 40. Having lands to activate our commander is good, but we need to make sure we have plays to make, so we leave these our for some extra spice down in the other sections. Before we move on, let me say something. These guys have lately been complaining about stuff with high cmc. To that, I say, "We are in green." Ramp is our thing. Don't worry about high cmc so much. Trust me, the first time I played my upgraded deck, I played Aesi on turn 5 and the turn after, I had eight mana available and by turn 8, I had 14 mana available. In this deck, which is looking to ramp super hard, you will need high impact stuff to make it worth it. Now lets move onto to creatures. Take out the following; Stormtide Leviathan, Sphinx of Uthuun, Sharktocrab, Wickerbough Elder, Fathom Mage, Yavimaya Elder, Shipbreaker Kraken, Elder Deep-Fiend, Murkfiend Liege, Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer, Stumpsquall Hydra and Sporemound. We don’t have any Islandwalk synergy outside of Stormtide, so it’s not a good inclusion and will stall the game. Sphinx is too hit and miss, since our opponent can decide what we get essentially, so take it out. Yavimaya Elder is not as good as other options. You don’t need murkfiend liege, Molimo doesn’t do enough, Stumpsquall isn’t really good, since it would just be a big ol beater. Wickerbough Elder is not repeatable enough to be a worthwhile inclusion, we can do better than Fathom Mage for card draw, Elder Deep Fiend and Shipbreaker either don’t do enough or don’t do anything right away. Sporemound is out because there is a card that is a strict upgrade for the cmc. Here is what I would replace them with. Multani, Yavimaya Avatar is a strict and cheaper upgrade to Molimo. Trygon Predator is cheaper than Wickerbough Elder and more repeatable removal. Replace Murkfiend liege with Tatyova, Benthic Druid, as having a second functional copy of the commander never hurt anyone. For Yavimaya Elder and Stumpsquall, add in Sakura Tribe Scout and Llanowar scout, as these help ramp us and with a certain enchantment and a bounce land, equals infinite landfall triggers. Gilanra, Caller of Wirewood in for Fathom Mage, as it ramps us and draws us cards when we cast anything with 6+ cmc. Replace Stormtide Leivathan and Shipbreaker Kraken with Brinelin, Moon Kraken and Serpent of Yawning Depths. I kept most of the sea creature theme in my version of the deck, so Serpent of Yawning Depths make all my big beaters basically unblockable and Brinelin helps us control the board with our high cmc stuff. Swap in Prime Speaker Zegana for sphinx Uthuun, which can draw us more cards than Sphinx of Uthuun could ever hope to. For Elder Deepfiend, replace with Lorthos, Tidemaker, as it is a win condition with how it taps stuff down and they don’t immediately untap later. Zenidkar’s Roil for Sporemound, as 2/2’s are better than 1/1’s, and enchantments are harder to interact with than creatures. Lotus Cobra for Sharktocrab, because ramp is good. Since we didn’t replace 2 lands up top, we have room for 2 more creatures. They will be Kogla, Titan Ape and Thryx, the Sudden Storm. Thryx saves us mana by reducing the cost of our big spells and makes them un-counterable, so we can make our big splashy plays and not have to worry about some jerk holding Force of Will in his hands. Kogla can kill a troublesome creature on our opponents board and is more artifact and enchantment hate. For the Instants and Sorceries, I took out Into the Roil and Peel from Reality because they are not good forms of removal, Compulsive Research because we want to put the lands onto the battlefield and not in the grave, Urban Evolution because you may not draw into another land. Fact or Fiction is out for the same reason as Sphinx of Uthuun, we want to draw all the cards, especially if we pull out our win-cons. I was tempted to keep Spitting Image in, since it could be good in the right situation, but ultimately, I decided against it. Simic Charm is also out. Now put in Rapid Hyrbization or Pongify, Reality Shift, Broken Bond, and Incubation/Incongruity, as these give us direct ways to kill/ exile our opponents stuff and Broken Bond is removal plus ramp if we have a land in our hand. Put in Return of the Wildspeaker and another land ramp spell, since Return can draw us many cards or pump our whole team. I put in Verdant Confluence for the land ramp since I had a copy of it, but as long as it gets more lands into play, with our commander out, that’s more card draw. For the simic charm, another bounce spell that hits multiple things is good. If you have Cyclonic Rift, put that in, but anything else that bounces multiple stuff will still work. For Artifacts and Enchantments, Ior Ruin Expedition, Retreat to Kazandu, Simic Signet and Seer’s Sundial are out. Kazandu is replaced with Retreat to Coralhelm, which part of the infinite landfall combo with the scouts that I was talking about. Ior Expedition, replace with something that lets you play more lands. If you have Burgeoning, put that in, as this one of the decks that card is good in, letting you play lands on your opponents turn and drawing you more cards with the commander out. Replace Seer’s Sundial with Elemental Bond, as we are playing lots of big boys, so this will draw us more cards for free. Jimmy and Josh are Right about needing a win con, so I put in Dragonthrone of Tarkir. Jimmy and Josh complain way too much about the high cmc, and yeah it is a lot to get it on field and equip, but we are in green and all about putting down lands, so this is not an issue. I felt that a repeatable Overwhelming Stampede effect was better than a one of. With even a 4 creatures out, as long as one of them is a big boy, someone is dying if this resolves. You can also throw in Overwhelming stampede as well so you have more chances to get this effect. Ultimately, you can do the deck however you want, I just wanted to show how I did mine to show you that you need to do more than take out 10 cards. At the very least, even if you go a different route, at least replace the bad lands that I mentioned and put in some good ones and Tatyova.
@@necrogaming2.027 I don't even remember, because I already had most of this stuff when I added it to the deck, since this deck evolved from a Tatyova deck I had. The lands, plus the creatures, Instant's and sorceries didn't cost me more than $20, but some cards have gone up in price. Doing the lands, Instants, sorceries, and enchantments should still be about $20, I think.
I actually bought this deck and upgraded it with some more big sea creatures I feel like the sea creature theme is great and there are some sea creatures that aren’t super expensive money wise and jimmy and josh are like ya you aren’t gonna get to those big spells but that is the challenge of the deck and I feel it balances the deck out because anyone who plays agro at lest you might have a chance against the deck but if I survive until turn 6-7 you best believe I’m gonna have 10+ lands in play
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries for that win condition (that I've actually hit with this deck because, yes it can draw THAT MUCH) ~$5 Blackblade Reforged to boost something an insane amount in this deck ~$0.85 Gush to bounce lands and draw cards ~$0.50 Multani, Yavimaya's Avitar for a trample creature that bounces from the graveyard AND is insane strong in a deck like this ~$1.50 Crop Rotation, Animist's Awakening or Nissa's Pilgrimage for a better land hunt (swap with something like Search for Tommorrow) ~ $1.05, $0.90 and $0.25 respectively Ruin Crab for making opponents mill cards (Note: not great against graveyard loving decks)~$1.10 Rogue's Passage for getting the big creatures past their defense ~$0.25 Mana Breach for the land bounce that also forces opponents to land bounce ~$2.55 Druid Class for lifegain and extra land play ~$0.40 Wizard Class to have no max hand size which is key in this deck ~$0.65 Broken Bond for target destruction (swap with something else with destruction in deck) plus land drop ~$0.30 Parcelbeast for land drop and card draw ~$0.25 Horn of Greed for extra card draw for everyone (because why not) ~$9 Tada! Look how far I stretched that $25 budget to upgrade this deck! Also, do NOT remove Nezahal! Can't be countered, no max hand size, card draw that forces opponents to be picky in what they play, AND can be bounced/recast by discarding 3 cards? Sorry Command Zone but you just don't know what your talking about when you say remove this one.
Is this inaddition to their list? or just your adds? also what would you remove? I love the cards you have here! and I agree... I played with the precon and Nezaha was amazing!
Not bad. Given the style of the deck though, I’m also adding in a mod of my own, a Blackblade reforged. Combined with the ramping capabilities of the deck, the sol ring and swift boots already in the deck, and all of these other modifications, this combo has the potential to swing in for 10+ commander damage on turn 4 or 5
I understand what you guys were going for, but you basically gutted the flavor of the deck by removing all the big sea creatures. I play mostly for the fun of clear themes, not to make sure I win every time.
A good point my 12 year old son introduced commander to his school friend and lent him this deck. His friend loved the sea creature theme as he is a keen fisherman, but got overwhelmed with the multiple landfall triggers. The way Jimmy has changed it makes it a more powerfull generic landfall deck, but makes it a mess of triggers for new players with less flavor.
While I agree on a lot of this, they severely underestimate Nezahal. It is 7 mana, but it is very likely to draw its controller a lot of cards, much in the same way Consecrated Sphinx does. And unlike Sphinx, it'll replace itself in most cases, given the spell used to remove it usually triggers its draw. It can also dodge removal in ways Sphinx can't. I don't think Nezahal should be one of the cards cut.
I'm new to magic and got this deck and its a lot of fun. Best game was a planeschase game. 2v2v2. We went first, third team in rotation had a turn 1 tutor, putting cards on the top of their deck. Plane changed. Everyone played with top card revealed, and anyone could play a spell of the top of someone else's deck. I played tutored sol ring, team mate played collective voyage, putting us at turn 2 searching for 6 lands, turn 3 had aesi out with azusa behind him. Me being the noob of the 6, 5 being years long veterans, I took command of the table, board wiping then shutting people down with lorthos the tidemaker
These numbers are different than the professor's, wonder which one is closer? (The professor had lower costs and didn't include some of the cards these guys did)
This stood out to me too, the two channels always have different prices listed for things like this. One difference is probably the site they are using, josh and jimmy are probably using card kingdom, while the professor is less beholden to a single website. I wonder if C zone check the price before contents of deck are released and TCC is checking the price before product release?
The decks were revealed during Commander Legends spoiler season. The prices for the reprints started tanking long before the decks were officially out. This is why people ask for reprints. To bring the prices down. Take a look at this. www.coolstuffinc.com/main_search.php?pa=searchOnName&page=1&resultsPerPage=25&q=Sram%2C+Senior+Edificer The reprint is being sold for $1.49. The original is steady at $7.99. Once the quantity goes down, the price will climb towards that of the Kaladesh print.
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of these upgrades and cuts, it could have been much better. Just look at budget arixmethies for how, as they are 80% the same deck.
Legitimately just built a killer sea creature/land fall deck around this commander and it's amazing you guys are thinking to much early game. It's a late game commander with a great value engine. Especially with a draw card synergies and Mana ramp synergies.
I have been waiting for this one! I made my deck into a mass-draw, mass-mill for my opponents. I’ve only had the chance to play it four games so far but when you mill 2 opponents and launch a board of Rampant Baloth tokens, Avenger of Zendikar tokens, and huge krakens and Ominous Seas 8/8 tokens at the third opponent, it makes for a very powerhouse deck for ironically, about $25 in upgrade value!
@@ronanbest6037 added stuff like Teferi’s Tutelage for extra card draw, Ominous Seas for card draw pay off, blue tutors to set up pieces I need, Psychic Corrosion, Sphinx’s Tutelage, etc for mill, the blue crab that is from ZNR for mill, Thassa DD for extra power and that flicker to reset ETBs, extra land play cards like Azusa and Courser of Kruphix, and several no max hand size cards like Kruphix, ReqTower (in precon already) and the leviathan that I think is already in there as well. But it does super well at turning out huge beaters and milling for the win. Also, the ZNR card where each opp mills half their deck and the new Mnemonic Deluge to cast this card THREE more times for just 6 mana.
I think Stumpsquall was intentionally low power compared to other hydras. alternate cards could be Pearl Lake Ancient to keep the landfall going and avoid field wipes. Simic charm for some flexibility. Trade Routes can be a 1 mana draw a card.
I must say that the tone of the show changed toward a more competative way of building decks. I miss the "If you like to play the big spells like Tomokratis than you can do that too" in the show. Not only in this episode, but in the whole podcast. I only hear " It#s not efficient enough" or "It doesn't do enough Y for X Mana". I'm a volthos-player and in these days sometimes I don't feel represented anymore in this podcast and I am sad about this. You guys brought me the essence of the format. In the early days, you've would have said to Aesi: "Wow, what a powerhouse! The only downside is that you really can play him at turn or six, when all your opponents played their commander already". Today you 'sell' this info to the people like you talking about a heap of unworthy dirt. I really miss the times you've said "we turn this deck from a power 4 to a power 6 or 7 deck". Today it's actually mor a 8+ if you put more than 20$ as a relacement budget on the table. I was looking for a proper way to integrate the color green into my Slinn Voda deck, asking myself if this would totally change the tone of the -to that point- mono blue deck. How can I keep the spirit of a seamonsters deck, when I put green in it? For me, Aesi is gift! I through out all the green powerhouse-card like Avenger of Zendikar and put in Charix.
Right out of the box this deck is surprisingly powerful. I played against it and while it didn't win, it could hang really well with the rest of the decks at the table that where significantly more powerful.
Ive had so much fun with this deck already. Ive made a few tweaks and plan to make more, but this thing is super solid as is. I personally think that by getting rid of all the high mana creatures you got rid of what the deck is supposed to be though
My 2 favorite combos in this deck, evolving wilds and ramunap excavator, as Well as avenger of zendicar and spitting image, I love building up a metric ton of plants and hitting my opponent with them
I played a game with a friend who was brand new to MTG and he popped off with Nezahal/Aesi and had half his deck in hand, he had a great time and wanted to play again!
I used Stumpsquall Hydra when I had a stupid amount of lands on the field. I put 1 counter on the hydra and the rest on Aesi so I could swing for lethal commander damage out of nowhere. It's very situational, but I'd say that's why it's here
The Hydra is garbo sure. But you guys are looking at the curve as if you've built this deck to compete against 8s and 9s. These decks are made to make big expensive splashy plays and is put together for someone who wants to slam big sea creatures after making a bunch of mana. Also, the board wipes not being damage based? And there being way more ramp and card draw than the boros deck? This is a simic deck.. duh? Come on guys. You are grading a deck as experienced players while missing that huge factor.
Yeah, their philosophy of trying to shove every deck into the 7 or 8 power level is kind of getting old. Big dumb durdley idiot creatures and stupid impractical combos are the reason to play commander. This stuff just doesn't work other places. Them constantly leading the charge on the community making stronger and faster decks rubs me the wrong way sometimes. Why couldn't the additions have been to make a moderately functional themed deck or something? It doesn't always have to be about powering it up...
I agree they've gone down this route too much in the last year. This deck is a fun big mana deck while the boros one is a fun voltron equipment deck. I've heard the boros deck is actually better because it is fast and powerful if it's not hit by removal quickly. This simic deck durdles then does splashy plays and big stuff later. I wish they'd leaned into those aspects and made the upgrades for casual players looking to make the decks they've bought a bit better at what they do.
Got the deck and made a sea monster bounce deck. The return to hand board wipes are imo pretty good, gets around hexproof/indestructible/ward and makes them waste their turn setting up again. Throw in a eternal witness and mystic sanctuary and you can get your board wipes back and do it again every turn, play your board wipe, play EW, bounce all non sea monsters, get EW back in hand, play EW get board wipe back and repeat. Build your board full of sea monsters and bounce everything else and attack directly. Make your opponents choose between building their board or stopping you. Aesi is just there if you want to dig through your deck even faster. Add in unnatural growth and your sea monsters hit for 10+ per creature or Imoti and cascade into other sea monsters.
This is the deck that got me into mtg and I love it! It seems like everything is so expensive but I have had over twenty lands sometimes and can just go ham!
I bought this today for 21 bucks. It did not come with an eternal witness. I was nonetheless happy with the value. Aesi, ramunap excavator, sol ring, counterspell, beast within, Reliquary tower, swiftfoot boots, and avenger of zendikar were great cards to score. Also, nice histogram Jimmy. Edit: Oh mine did come with an Eternal witness; very happy!
Keep the big monsters in, add a few more big Krakens, throw in a Quest for Ula's Temple and a Lurking Predators, add an additional removal spell (Cyclonic Rift maybe), swap out the lands as suggested but drop the number down a little, add in Ancient Greenwarden and Kodama of the East Tree and a Lotus Cobra and Scute Swarm and Azusa and up the ramp, the deck becomes a pretty hard-hitting, dropping big boys down like it aint nothing deck. Been running in a few pods and having a lot of fun. My big finisher comes in the form of Finale of Devestation.
A few suggestions for the big sea monster route- Arixmethes- 2BG: Starts as land that ramps you until you've cast 5 spells with it on the table... and turns into a 12/12 that still ramps you Stormsurge Kraken-3BB: A Hexproof 5/5 BUT as long as you control your commander gets +2/2 and can draw you 2 cards if someone blocks it Nadir Kraken- 1BB: 2/3 Kraken that can get a +1/1 and make a 1/1 Tentacle Creature Token every time you draw a card if you pay 1 Generic Tidal Barracuda-3B: 3/4 Fish Any player can cast spells as though they had flash AND Your opponents can't cast spells during your turn Koma, Cosmos Serpent-3GGBB: 6/6 Serpent that can't be countered and makes a 3/3 Serpent at the beginning of EACH upkeep. You can then sac a serpent to tap a creature and blank its activated abilities for a turn OR make Koma indestructible
Nezahol was a bad cut. It can pull a ton of weight and is basically an unintactable card draw engine, because as along as they have to do something to it by playing a spell, you get card draw and they waste resources. More often than not, I see the danger noodle sit around and draw its owner 7-9 cards before being forced out of the game one way or another. added with the extra land plays and potential for recurring discarded lands, Nezahol holds its own here.
I've always been a fan of y'alls content but man you guys have gotten commercialized lol. I find the talking card ads obnoxious as heck. I wouldn't buy the stuff out of spite lol. Glad many of you guys enjoy them, all good. Just commented to see if anyone agrees, I'm probably the only one. Lol
I'm buying both of the zendikar pre cons and both of the commander legends pre cons for the cards and the reprints. I'm also building the new Omnath deck, so both landfall decks would be nice.
What I have been taught is that cards like Azusa giving you extra Land drops or Coiling Oracle are no Ramp because Ramping means directly providing oneself with Mana in Form of Lands from the deck or Mana from an effect like Sol Ring, Signets etc. As you already mencioned, those effects dont help you Stack up Mana/ Lands if you dont hit those lands
First game I played with this deck I drew 66 cards, played 29 lands in under 14 turns, summoned 22 tokens, played my commander four times, completely recovered from a Massacre Girl/Liesa forgotten archangel combo in two turns; and won the game by swinging in for 78 damage. Not to mention the Massacre girl exiled the 10 2/3 plants I got from Avanger of Zendikar. I got all the counters in one turn, the table just immediate removed AOZ. Barely even affected the deck, this thing is such an engine. By the end of the game the only thing I was scared of was running out of basic lands to play. Oh, and I didn’t make a single deck modification. You win again, 20$ simic precon.
Hey can you guys make a Game Knight using this deck along with the Obuun deck and the Wyleth deck. I think it would be fun plus allow people to see then in action and decide if they wanna buy them
I completely agree with the Tatyova include, but what the heck? Why would you replace a clearly superior version of a card with its worse version? Playing Aesi T4 is just as easy as playing Tatyova T4, but you get a free Exploration effect and much better P/T instead of basically meaningless lifegain. You could make an argument for T3 Tatyova, but that's a hard one to pull off, especially consistently. Side Note: Aesi even has the superior wording which includes "may draw" compared to Tatyova's mandatory "draw".
I know this is a year late but Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle is a great card for this deck. I find it works better as the commander. Stumpsquall Hydra can put the counters on him while he is a land, and with him being a 12/12, if you play it right, you can one shot someone after a board wipe. He triggers landfall and is immune to those boardwipes too. And being a land makes it harder to destroy, until you need him as a creature.
Alright, so, listen. I got an email from CZ today advising patrons that, since there are a lot of new videos incoming, we might want to consider going to Patreon to cap our monthly contributions (since the tier list on CZ's patreon is per video, not per month). What kind of businessmen go out of their way to tell you how to pay LESS (if you so choose)? What kind? The good kind because, if there are, say, ten videos this month, the average 1$-tier patron might be surprised to get hit for $10 and might then cease to be a patron. I, of course, will not be setting a limit on my support precisely because J&J went out of their way to advise me of the oncoming deluge of new content. (Yay for that, by the way.) Jimmy and Josh are god-tier at being good humans. Still waiting for my patron shoutout, though. Just sayin'. It's been like three years, guys.
Playing big dumb things that have no home is my jam, would much rather play a mono green hydra tribal than the only other mG deck archtype (that being elves), so id much prefer sea monsters to simic goodstuff
i agree with all of these except 35:45 why...why would you cut the budget alternative to consecrated sphinx plus did you not read it you get to draw every time someone cast a noncreate it also gives infinite hand size and there's a lot of ramp in the deck and plus it can protect itself eons better than the sphinx can
If I run the reap the tides deck, could I just swap aesi into the deck and put uro as the commander? I have a foil uro I really want to use as a commander, but in this deck idk if it will be good without modification. If I do need to modify the deck to make uro suitable as the commander, then what should I swap out and put in?
In the case of these decks, while on the face they seem to be made for new players, from my experience with playing them for the past week they seem to work incredibly well if the player fully understands the deck. In the case of this one, using the various tap/bounce to help protect against threats while keeping a full hand is the way to play. With the other, if the player knows the common sunforger strategies it's very easy to make Wyleth a persistent threat while keeping advantage. I really hate to shit in the hands that gave us these, but a good deck and an intuitive deck are not exactly synonyms.
What they need is a special, magical, two headed commander. 6 players, each in 3 2h giant pairs, playing two-colour only decks that share a colour with their partner (get it... commander partner, not partner commanders hehe) so if one of the 2h plays Gruul, the other must contain red or green. It'd also help showcase commander with 3 instead of 4 (as not everyone gets a fourth player for it)
What's better than 1 Tatyova? 2. And also Arixmethes. I'd slot those 2 before cutting all the sea monsters that are still around after you Whelming Wave. Which you then plop the Archeomancer you just bounced back to your hand and get the wave back.
14:09 “scourge of fleets requires you to attack”…um no, that’s just incorrect. I play aesi not only for the additional land but bc sea creatures are cool and quite viable. It also makes landfall easier to swallow for other players at the table.
My first game with this deck I replaced a forest and an island with Shark Typhoon and... some kinda counter I think? Either way, minus those two lands, it played beautifully
These prices for the reprints seem way to high. I know the american market is crazy overprized but we talking about triple the price from last month in europe. And Nezahal was 50c last time I checked.... before the precon was even spoiled.
Coiling Oracle and Explore may not guarantee a ramp, but even if they don’t ramp, it’s a minimum card draw for 2 CMC. However, in Simic and its draw/scry capability, the odds of dropping a land with them is pretty good.
Placed a big order on cards (for me that is) and forgot to add the command zone in the website to give you all credit. I had to call customer service over an issue regarding the order and they were able to add or give you credit or whatever helps when we add command zone to the link.
Spitting image a nyxbloom ancient a few times and make your lands tap for 81. Throw in a braingeyser, blue suns zenith and a pull from tomorrow to dump that mana into and lab maniac out while also playing cards like body of knowledge and sturmgeist to play voltron need be. Also can play a ton of counterspells to make sure you can keep doing what you want. Not really budget but still lol
Maybe its just me but there feels like a missed opportunity for this. Hear me out. When doing a video like this why is there not a link to cardkingfom with these selected cards in a bundle type "buy it now" option. Card kingdom should have a page with link dedicated to "as seen on command zone" section. Not only is there the affiliate link but also using the creator code at checkout making it a double dip for command zone marketing.
Unless it's been confirmed otherwise, Aesi might be from Kaldheim. Viking mythos is no stranger to massive sea serpents, not straits as geographical formations in seafaring. That, and those houses on the coast there look norse in their design. Just a theory, but it could be so; I'm seeing Kalheim everywhere I go.
being simic. I think keeping with the sea tribal is a better way to go. There are A LOT of cheap green/simic ramps and wonderful themed cards that could be put into it.
Basically you turned a good landfall beasts deck into a token deck. And stole 40 minutes of my day. Well done
thanks for sparing me!
Thanks you actually saved me time!
I know it's not optimal, but I'm definitely going for the sea monsters theme. Braids, come here!
I was building an Arixmethes sea monster deck. I'm swapping him for Brinelin and Kodama, and pillaging a bunch of the cards from this deck for it.
WOA I didn't even think about putting in Braids!!
@@ryansprenkle6356 definitely on to something
“Not where you wanna be in the format”. What the hell man, Nezahal is absolutely amazing 💔
Ya I don't know what Jimmy is talking about. Nezahal is a brick house. It draws soooo many cards, AND protects itself? I don't know what he was thinking.
Jimmy: "Slinn Voda costs 10 mana, you arent gonna do that"
Me, playing aesi and has 15+ lands on field: Are you sure about that?
Seriously! I can get all of my 40 lands into play really quickly so mana isn't an issue in this deck
It’s one mana more than Plague Wind, plus it’s an 8/8.
Me taping Astral Cornucopia for 16: no going to do what?
I literally had 38 lands out on turn 7 or 8, and they think it’s hard to get to 8 or 9 by the end of the game, the deck is fine with a lot of big threats in it, it’s how to close the game out
Commander used to be about playing those big dumb spells. There's an active push to literally stop playing those as much :(
Awaiting the day we get Craig Blanchette and Cassius Marsh on same episode
Big beaters and Infect!!!
That sounds awesome
Power level maxed
Joe made some "Craigy" stuff last episode, he should be a great competitor as well
Craig, Joe, Cassius, and Melissa Deltora in the same episode.
3:22 Josh: "It's kind boring." Jimmy: "It's 6 mana do Simic-ity thing."
Agree. That's why the Sea Creatures theme seems more interesting. For me it's a good alternate commander for the Arixmethes deck. (and with the pirate decks reappearing in the casual environment, it's a flavor win!)
I put Arixmethes in this deck and embraced sea creatures theme fully :)
I was actually mid building Arixmethes sea monsters when this got released. I'm gutting this to use for it and I think I'm actually swapping out Arixmethes for Brinelin and Kodama, so I can just slam down as many big dumb idiot sea monsters down in one turn as possible
sad we still dont have a simic ( or for better alignment, sultai ) sea creature tribal commander :/
@@Areinu so an I an asshole for going the landfall, take away everything from my opponents with some fishy boys?
@@fernandostar3507 What? Are you sure you mentioned proper person? Doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I said! D:
Scourge of fleets doesn't require you to attack with him, Jimmy. 14:08
Trench Behemoth is actually awesome especially in this deck. 7 mama won’t get blown out because of the hexproof, and it’s the only card I know of that gives you a repeatable effect to bounce lands at instant speed for free.
Plus the attack clause is relevant, too! You can get someone's pesky utility creature to attack into it, providing it doesn't have an activated ability that requires it to tap. It's not as good as removal, but as a landfall trigger, it's nice.
And imagine forcing the thrasios player to send it straight at the combat decks defenses.
Fantastic card in any landfall deck including blue. I can’t find a downside anywhere on it
storm cauldron does it as well, but you definitely have to build around that more
@@harrisonheppelmann7938 its 7 mana dude... there are tons of cards that bounce your own lands for far less.
"Ultra Pro is the way to go."
More like:
"Dragon Shield is to which all other brands yield."
Not as catchy, but it's the truth.
The new eclipse sleeves kinda match up there with them. In durability and shuffle feel. Also the newer dragon shield version catch when they shuffle which they need to fix.
I'm super happy with the ultimate guard katana sleeves. At the risk of sounding like a commercial: they're smooth, durable, have a good shuffle feel, and (the main reason I tried them) the light colors arent't transparent like at all; even the white ones. Would recommend 10/10
I am. Diehard Dragonshields user. But recently I picked up some new eclipse sleeves. They are really good. Way better than they were in the past.
Dragon Shield sleeves look cool
Imagine having the ego to think your subjective opinion is the truth.
Won a game yesterday with the hydra, boardwipe to return all but krakens serpents etc to the hand and then pump the commander to 21, hit face.
Never liked the card before, but this seemed quite underhandedly cool.
Man, I really feel like your comments on Nezehal were incredibly off-base. He's an incredible beast. I could understand saying not for this deck, but he's a brilliant card to build around.
Nez is the MVP of this deck idk what they were thinking
Jimmy: "Doesn't do enough"
> Has four abilities
What???
@@gregallan4291 thats powercreep in a nutshell. A bad omen for the format if overtuned garbage like a creature with 4 static abilitys AND an activated one is considered "doing nothing". Remember when commanders where not engine, payoff and protection in one card?
@@ich3730 He is a bad draw engine(for the mana cost), attached to a beatstick with no evasion, with his only protection requiring you to throw away your card advantage, which is the reason you played him in the first place. Uncounterable is nice, but not that big of a deal, and no max hand size is so irrelevant that they put it on an untapped land and the result was pretty meh.
If you want a vanilla body that draws cards at 7 mana in simic, you are better off playing something like zegana than nezahal.
Good deck, good additions, but you took an interesting concept (big sea creatures) and turned it into a replica of every other simic landfall deck. Best moment for me when I started playing MTG was getting my seven mana Vizzerdrix on the board and hitting someone with it. Maybe that was the idea with this deck, ramp and play big stupid sea monsters because it's cool..?
You should do a episode of game knights where you all play with banned commanders to show everyone why they are banned
Leovold wins
I did keep the large sea creatures but I am getting them on board consistently on turn 4 to 5 . But I swapped about 25 cards and go between Arixmathes and Aesi as the commander . It was extremely easy to upgrade this deck though so I gotta give WOTC credit for that .
I was totally waiting for blue oyster cult Don't fear the reaper intro .......
Lol Nezahal doesn’t “do enough” with its 10 static and triggered abilities
A card that draws you more, gives you infinite hand size, and protects itself...yeah seems totally bad
I was thinking the same
This card was impossible to get rid of for my brothers when i played it with them. Nezehal effectively says you get to keep the 60 card hand you drew off of tatyova and aesi, and will always be around for your upkeep
Yeah not to mention that if you can paly lands from graveyard you can discard land and effect didn't discard a thing
True, unless you're truly in the 7-8+ power level range. Then, it's a 7+ CMC card that won't win the game. 6 and below though I've personally seen it do well.
Nezahal may sound bad but when you build a deck around it, it's so hard to deal.
Agree, Nezahal is so much fan
Big fan of the show! You guys are great. I think you're super undervaluing Nezahal, though! He's a pretty sturdy engine. He's essentially guaranteed to stick, he draws you a few cards per rotation, and he dodges removal at a zero mana activation.
Completely new to MTG and this was the deck i bought, without seeing this video, my first game was against 3 friends and it stood up really well, helped me learn so much, but this video has helped me more and helped me to edit the deck. by the end of the game i had 20 mana and Molimo Moro-Sorcerer out and it was difficult to defend against. thanks for the tips.
There are now enough episodes to watch an episode every day of the year... Wow
IT IS A BAD GREEN CARD BOYS, I BAD GREEN CARD!! FINALLY WE'VE GOT ONE THOSE!
The game was lacking those.
Oh my there are way more than you think
Its not even super bad, it's just kinda "meh".
@@alexbruceallred922 Not compared to every other colour :P
@@chrishusted9296 that is as close to super bad as green gets these days.
I mean it could be a neat lil politics card...
"ill give your commander 4/4 as long as you can use it to take out (x)"
Holy, stumpsqull hydra is like a bad uncommon card
competitive MTG Paigow players beg to differ (or is it called Booster Blitz now?) th-cam.com/video/cFXIj1TfULY/w-d-xo.html
I mean, its going in my hydra deck simply cause hydra, but i see your point
@@philipchen383 LOOOL i guess
It’s only bad as a low cost. If your commander is out, you can probably afford a big hydra.
its ok in experiment kraj decks but even then its outclassed by almost all graft cards
The hydra is so bad that everyone reading it has to read it multiple times. Our brains add words to make it playable. Someone commented how bad this is in comparison to Verdurous Gearhulk (even Zaxama doesn't make that hydra decent)
even having all ''add a extra counter'' cards on the field it will still be quite bad
It would be ok in an Ubuun or Marath deck, maybe. Still a little expensive.
@@SirPoonga it is only usable in Gargos.
Even with Unbound flourishing, that sucks
The one single place where I see place for that Hydra is Animar deck. You pay GGG and basically double the count of counters on Animar. If he has 5 you go to 10(actually it's up to 11, since Animar gets one by himself), which means all your next creatures will be cheaper by 10. But still very situational and limited, and sucks very bad without Animar out.
This upgrade guide doesn't feel very serious, as you would need to take out more than 10 cards to really make the deck work better. Here is how to make the deck better. First take out 9 lands, including Coral Atoll, Memorial to genius, Jungle Basin, Vivid Creek, Vivid Grove, and 4 Basic. Coral Atoll and Jungle Basin force you to return an untapped land to your hand, so they are very bad. There are better ways to draw cards than Memorial to Genius, and the Vivid Lands are tap lands that you don't even need. Put in the following lands : Myriad Landscape, Yavimaya Coast, War Room, Reliquary Tower, Guildless Commons, Arixmethes, the Slumbering Isle, Temple of Mystery, and another dual colored land. Myriad Landscape gets us more lands for Aesi's trigger, Yavimaya Coast is a dual land that comes into play untapped, War Room draws us cards by paying life equal to our commanders color identity, Guildless Commons is a better bounce land that doesn't require us to return an untapped land back to our hand, and Arixmethes is spell technically, but he taps for 2 and is a land primarily for as long as we want him to be, and he will trigger landfall. Temple of Mystery helps fix our mana and lets us make sure our next draw is what we want. The 2nd dual land can be whatever you want, as long as it taps for either green or blue. We are leaving 2 lands out because we still have over 40. Having lands to activate our commander is good, but we need to make sure we have plays to make, so we leave these our for some extra spice down in the other sections.
Before we move on, let me say something. These guys have lately been complaining about stuff with high cmc. To that, I say, "We are in green." Ramp is our thing. Don't worry about high cmc so much. Trust me, the first time I played my upgraded deck, I played Aesi on turn 5 and the turn after, I had eight mana available and by turn 8, I had 14 mana available. In this deck, which is looking to ramp super hard, you will need high impact stuff to make it worth it.
Now lets move onto to creatures. Take out the following; Stormtide Leviathan, Sphinx of Uthuun, Sharktocrab, Wickerbough Elder, Fathom Mage, Yavimaya Elder, Shipbreaker Kraken, Elder Deep-Fiend, Murkfiend Liege, Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer, Stumpsquall Hydra and Sporemound. We don’t have any Islandwalk synergy outside of Stormtide, so it’s not a good inclusion and will stall the game. Sphinx is too hit and miss, since our opponent can decide what we get essentially, so take it out. Yavimaya Elder is not as good as other options. You don’t need murkfiend liege, Molimo doesn’t do enough, Stumpsquall isn’t really good, since it would just be a big ol beater. Wickerbough Elder is not repeatable enough to be a worthwhile inclusion, we can do better than Fathom Mage for card draw, Elder Deep Fiend and Shipbreaker either don’t do enough or don’t do anything right away. Sporemound is out because there is a card that is a strict upgrade for the cmc.
Here is what I would replace them with. Multani, Yavimaya Avatar is a strict and cheaper upgrade to Molimo. Trygon Predator is cheaper than Wickerbough Elder and more repeatable removal. Replace Murkfiend liege with Tatyova, Benthic Druid, as having a second functional copy of the commander never hurt anyone. For Yavimaya Elder and Stumpsquall, add in Sakura Tribe Scout and Llanowar scout, as these help ramp us and with a certain enchantment and a bounce land, equals infinite landfall triggers. Gilanra, Caller of Wirewood in for Fathom Mage, as it ramps us and draws us cards when we cast anything with 6+ cmc. Replace Stormtide Leivathan and Shipbreaker Kraken with Brinelin, Moon Kraken and Serpent of Yawning Depths. I kept most of the sea creature theme in my version of the deck, so Serpent of Yawning Depths make all my big beaters basically unblockable and Brinelin helps us control the board with our high cmc stuff. Swap in Prime Speaker Zegana for sphinx Uthuun, which can draw us more cards than Sphinx of Uthuun could ever hope to. For Elder Deepfiend, replace with Lorthos, Tidemaker, as it is a win condition with how it taps stuff down and they don’t immediately untap later. Zenidkar’s Roil for Sporemound, as 2/2’s are better than 1/1’s, and enchantments are harder to interact with than creatures. Lotus Cobra for Sharktocrab, because ramp is good. Since we didn’t replace 2 lands up top, we have room for 2 more creatures. They will be Kogla, Titan Ape and Thryx, the Sudden Storm. Thryx saves us mana by reducing the cost of our big spells and makes them un-counterable, so we can make our big splashy plays and not have to worry about some jerk holding Force of Will in his hands. Kogla can kill a troublesome creature on our opponents board and is more artifact and enchantment hate.
For the Instants and Sorceries, I took out Into the Roil and Peel from Reality because they are not good forms of removal, Compulsive Research because we want to put the lands onto the battlefield and not in the grave, Urban Evolution because you may not draw into another land. Fact or Fiction is out for the same reason as Sphinx of Uthuun, we want to draw all the cards, especially if we pull out our win-cons. I was tempted to keep Spitting Image in, since it could be good in the right situation, but ultimately, I decided against it. Simic Charm is also out.
Now put in Rapid Hyrbization or Pongify, Reality Shift, Broken Bond, and Incubation/Incongruity, as these give us direct ways to kill/ exile our opponents stuff and Broken Bond is removal plus ramp if we have a land in our hand. Put in Return of the Wildspeaker and another land ramp spell, since Return can draw us many cards or pump our whole team. I put in Verdant Confluence for the land ramp since I had a copy of it, but as long as it gets more lands into play, with our commander out, that’s more card draw. For the simic charm, another bounce spell that hits multiple things is good. If you have Cyclonic Rift, put that in, but anything else that bounces multiple stuff will still work.
For Artifacts and Enchantments, Ior Ruin Expedition, Retreat to Kazandu, Simic Signet and Seer’s Sundial are out. Kazandu is replaced with Retreat to Coralhelm, which part of the infinite landfall combo with the scouts that I was talking about. Ior Expedition, replace with something that lets you play more lands. If you have Burgeoning, put that in, as this one of the decks that card is good in, letting you play lands on your opponents turn and drawing you more cards with the commander out. Replace Seer’s Sundial with Elemental Bond, as we are playing lots of big boys, so this will draw us more cards for free. Jimmy and Josh are Right about needing a win con, so I put in Dragonthrone of Tarkir. Jimmy and Josh complain way too much about the high cmc, and yeah it is a lot to get it on field and equip, but we are in green and all about putting down lands, so this is not an issue. I felt that a repeatable Overwhelming Stampede effect was better than a one of. With even a 4 creatures out, as long as one of them is a big boy, someone is dying if this resolves. You can also throw in Overwhelming stampede as well so you have more chances to get this effect.
Ultimately, you can do the deck however you want, I just wanted to show how I did mine to show you that you need to do more than take out 10 cards. At the very least, even if you go a different route, at least replace the bad lands that I mentioned and put in some good ones and Tatyova.
how much was upgrades?
@@necrogaming2.027 I don't even remember, because I already had most of this stuff when I added it to the deck, since this deck evolved from a Tatyova deck I had. The lands, plus the creatures, Instant's and sorceries didn't cost me more than $20, but some cards have gone up in price. Doing the lands, Instants, sorceries, and enchantments should still be about $20, I think.
first time you don'T sing at the beginning and usually it hurts but now I understand and miss your presence
I actually bought this deck and upgraded it with some more big sea creatures I feel like the sea creature theme is great and there are some sea creatures that aren’t super expensive money wise and jimmy and josh are like ya you aren’t gonna get to those big spells but that is the challenge of the deck and I feel it balances the deck out because anyone who plays agro at lest you might have a chance against the deck but if I survive until turn 6-7 you best believe I’m gonna have 10+ lands in play
Scourge of fleet is actually a pretty good budget kinda cyclonic rift cause it just has to enter the battlefield not attack!
I added in an Imoti as a Commander to build a more cascade focus and it plays really well with cheating our stuff.
As a man who has a nezahal deck you would be surprised how much you draw off it
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries for that win condition (that I've actually hit with this deck because, yes it can draw THAT MUCH) ~$5
Blackblade Reforged to boost something an insane amount in this deck ~$0.85
Gush to bounce lands and draw cards ~$0.50
Multani, Yavimaya's Avitar for a trample creature that bounces from the graveyard AND is insane strong in a deck like this ~$1.50
Crop Rotation, Animist's Awakening or Nissa's Pilgrimage for a better land hunt (swap with something like Search for Tommorrow) ~ $1.05, $0.90 and $0.25 respectively
Ruin Crab for making opponents mill cards (Note: not great against graveyard loving decks)~$1.10
Rogue's Passage for getting the big creatures past their defense ~$0.25
Mana Breach for the land bounce that also forces opponents to land bounce ~$2.55
Druid Class for lifegain and extra land play ~$0.40
Wizard Class to have no max hand size which is key in this deck ~$0.65
Broken Bond for target destruction (swap with something else with destruction in deck) plus land drop ~$0.30
Parcelbeast for land drop and card draw ~$0.25
Horn of Greed for extra card draw for everyone (because why not) ~$9
Tada! Look how far I stretched that $25 budget to upgrade this deck!
Also, do NOT remove Nezahal! Can't be countered, no max hand size, card draw that forces opponents to be picky in what they play, AND can be bounced/recast by discarding 3 cards? Sorry Command Zone but you just don't know what your talking about when you say remove this one.
Is this inaddition to their list? or just your adds? also what would you remove? I love the cards you have here! and I agree... I played with the precon and Nezaha was amazing!
Not bad. Given the style of the deck though, I’m also adding in a mod of my own, a Blackblade reforged. Combined with the ramping capabilities of the deck, the sol ring and swift boots already in the deck, and all of these other modifications, this combo has the potential to swing in for 10+ commander damage on turn 4 or 5
Literally just bought this deck and I’m PUMPED to build it
I just got it yesterday, thinking of going full octopus/leviathan tribal!
I understand what you guys were going for, but you basically gutted the flavor of the deck by removing all the big sea creatures. I play mostly for the fun of clear themes, not to make sure I win every time.
A good point my 12 year old son introduced commander to his school friend and lent him this deck. His friend loved the sea creature theme as he is a keen fisherman, but got overwhelmed with the multiple landfall triggers. The way Jimmy has changed it makes it a more powerfull generic landfall deck, but makes it a mess of triggers for new players with less flavor.
then play leviathan tribal
While I agree on a lot of this, they severely underestimate Nezahal. It is 7 mana, but it is very likely to draw its controller a lot of cards, much in the same way Consecrated Sphinx does. And unlike Sphinx, it'll replace itself in most cases, given the spell used to remove it usually triggers its draw. It can also dodge removal in ways Sphinx can't. I don't think Nezahal should be one of the cards cut.
amen that was the dumbest cut in i have ever seen on upgrading pre-con decks nezehal can get out of control easily
Preach!
FWIW, you (collectively) do an A++ job with the sponsor plugs. Much appreciated.
I'm new to magic and got this deck and its a lot of fun. Best game was a planeschase game. 2v2v2. We went first, third team in rotation had a turn 1 tutor, putting cards on the top of their deck. Plane changed. Everyone played with top card revealed, and anyone could play a spell of the top of someone else's deck. I played tutored sol ring, team mate played collective voyage, putting us at turn 2 searching for 6 lands, turn 3 had aesi out with azusa behind him. Me being the noob of the 6, 5 being years long veterans, I took command of the table, board wiping then shutting people down with lorthos the tidemaker
These numbers are different than the professor's, wonder which one is closer? (The professor had lower costs and didn't include some of the cards these guys did)
these numbers are more accurate to when they were just released, the prof's numbers are more accurate to what they are now.
because these are the costs before the reveal of the deck. the professor takes the costs at the time of the review.
@@oliverweiland337 pretty sure the professor also says prior to release.
This stood out to me too, the two channels always have different prices listed for things like this. One difference is probably the site they are using, josh and jimmy are probably using card kingdom, while the professor is less beholden to a single website. I wonder if C zone check the price before contents of deck are released and TCC is checking the price before product release?
The decks were revealed during Commander Legends spoiler season. The prices for the reprints started tanking long before the decks were officially out. This is why people ask for reprints. To bring the prices down.
Take a look at this.
www.coolstuffinc.com/main_search.php?pa=searchOnName&page=1&resultsPerPage=25&q=Sram%2C+Senior+Edificer
The reprint is being sold for $1.49. The original is steady at $7.99. Once the quantity goes down, the price will climb towards that of the Kaladesh print.
I am new to magic. I purchased this deck. I do like it alot. It allowed to last longer in games but not finish my opponents off
Reap the tides was the first commander deck I bought and I have never lost a game with it
Jimmy and Josh: Upgrade a Simic landfall deck, don't include Tatyova.
Right!? I wondered about that myself.
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of these upgrades and cuts, it could have been much better. Just look at budget arixmethies for how, as they are 80% the same deck.
Probably beyond the budget.
@@millibillionth 5 CT?
Legitimately just built a killer sea creature/land fall deck around this commander and it's amazing you guys are thinking to much early game. It's a late game commander with a great value engine. Especially with a draw card synergies and Mana ramp synergies.
I have been waiting for this one! I made my deck into a mass-draw, mass-mill for my opponents. I’ve only had the chance to play it four games so far but when you mill 2 opponents and launch a board of Rampant Baloth tokens, Avenger of Zendikar tokens, and huge krakens and Ominous Seas 8/8 tokens at the third opponent, it makes for a very powerhouse deck for ironically, about $25 in upgrade value!
This sounds like the most fun thing ever! Can you share your decklist? :D
@@ronanbest6037 sure! How do I share it from ManaBox?
@@MrFallis10 no idea, i have the precon so i don't really need the whole decklist. Could you just tell me what mill cards you added to the deck?
@@ronanbest6037 added stuff like Teferi’s Tutelage for extra card draw, Ominous Seas for card draw pay off, blue tutors to set up pieces I need, Psychic Corrosion, Sphinx’s Tutelage, etc for mill, the blue crab that is from ZNR for mill, Thassa DD for extra power and that flicker to reset ETBs, extra land play cards like Azusa and Courser of Kruphix, and several no max hand size cards like Kruphix, ReqTower (in precon already) and the leviathan that I think is already in there as well. But it does super well at turning out huge beaters and milling for the win. Also, the ZNR card where each opp mills half their deck and the new Mnemonic Deluge to cast this card THREE more times for just 6 mana.
I think Stumpsquall was intentionally low power compared to other hydras. alternate cards could be Pearl Lake Ancient to keep the landfall going and avoid field wipes. Simic charm for some flexibility. Trade Routes can be a 1 mana draw a card.
I must say that the tone of the show changed toward a more competative way of building decks. I miss the "If you like to play the big spells like Tomokratis than you can do that too" in the show. Not only in this episode, but in the whole podcast. I only hear " It#s not efficient enough" or "It doesn't do enough Y for X Mana". I'm a volthos-player and in these days sometimes I don't feel represented anymore in this podcast and I am sad about this. You guys brought me the essence of the format. In the early days, you've would have said to Aesi: "Wow, what a powerhouse! The only downside is that you really can play him at turn or six, when all your opponents played their commander already". Today you 'sell' this info to the people like you talking about a heap of unworthy dirt. I really miss the times you've said "we turn this deck from a power 4 to a power 6 or 7 deck". Today it's actually mor a 8+ if you put more than 20$ as a relacement budget on the table.
I was looking for a proper way to integrate the color green into my Slinn Voda deck, asking myself if this would totally change the tone of the -to that point- mono blue deck. How can I keep the spirit of a seamonsters deck, when I put green in it? For me, Aesi is gift! I through out all the green powerhouse-card like Avenger of Zendikar and put in Charix.
Honestly though. Some of us aren’t here to max power on our themed casual decks. I don’t care if it’s not efficient. I like it
Right out of the box this deck is surprisingly powerful. I played against it and while it didn't win, it could hang really well with the rest of the decks at the table that where significantly more powerful.
Ive had so much fun with this deck already. Ive made a few tweaks and plan to make more, but this thing is super solid as is. I personally think that by getting rid of all the high mana creatures you got rid of what the deck is supposed to be though
My 2 favorite combos in this deck, evolving wilds and ramunap excavator, as Well as avenger of zendicar and spitting image, I love building up a metric ton of plants and hitting my opponent with them
I played a game with a friend who was brand new to MTG and he popped off with Nezahal/Aesi and had half his deck in hand, he had a great time and wanted to play again!
I used Stumpsquall Hydra when I had a stupid amount of lands on the field. I put 1 counter on the hydra and the rest on Aesi so I could swing for lethal commander damage out of nowhere. It's very situational, but I'd say that's why it's here
No Tatyova, Retreat to Coralhelm, and Sakura-Tribe Scout/Llanowar Scout/Walking Atlas? I thought those are auto-includes for this kind of deck?
Right? Just a glimpse on EDHREC would suggest them
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention lotus cobra, it’s only like $5 and in-sa-ne in decks like these
The Hydra is garbo sure. But you guys are looking at the curve as if you've built this deck to compete against 8s and 9s. These decks are made to make big expensive splashy plays and is put together for someone who wants to slam big sea creatures after making a bunch of mana. Also, the board wipes not being damage based? And there being way more ramp and card draw than the boros deck? This is a simic deck.. duh? Come on guys. You are grading a deck as experienced players while missing that huge factor.
Yeah, their philosophy of trying to shove every deck into the 7 or 8 power level is kind of getting old. Big dumb durdley idiot creatures and stupid impractical combos are the reason to play commander. This stuff just doesn't work other places. Them constantly leading the charge on the community making stronger and faster decks rubs me the wrong way sometimes. Why couldn't the additions have been to make a moderately functional themed deck or something? It doesn't always have to be about powering it up...
I agree they've gone down this route too much in the last year. This deck is a fun big mana deck while the boros one is a fun voltron equipment deck. I've heard the boros deck is actually better because it is fast and powerful if it's not hit by removal quickly. This simic deck durdles then does splashy plays and big stuff later. I wish they'd leaned into those aspects and made the upgrades for casual players looking to make the decks they've bought a bit better at what they do.
Got the deck and made a sea monster bounce deck. The return to hand board wipes are imo pretty good, gets around hexproof/indestructible/ward and makes them waste their turn setting up again. Throw in a eternal witness and mystic sanctuary and you can get your board wipes back and do it again every turn, play your board wipe, play EW, bounce all non sea monsters, get EW back in hand, play EW get board wipe back and repeat. Build your board full of sea monsters and bounce everything else and attack directly. Make your opponents choose between building their board or stopping you. Aesi is just there if you want to dig through your deck even faster. Add in unnatural growth and your sea monsters hit for 10+ per creature or Imoti and cascade into other sea monsters.
This is the deck that got me into mtg and I love it! It seems like everything is so expensive but I have had over twenty lands sometimes and can just go ham!
Take your Tatyova deck, put this card in the command Zone. Profit?
I would more choose uro to put in over tatyova
@@lucassloan1960 uro isn't that strong in commander. As someone fighting an aesi deck in the meta. Aesi is insane
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I bought this today for 21 bucks. It did not come with an eternal witness. I was nonetheless happy with the value. Aesi, ramunap excavator, sol ring, counterspell, beast within, Reliquary tower, swiftfoot boots, and avenger of zendikar were great cards to score. Also, nice histogram Jimmy.
Edit: Oh mine did come with an Eternal witness; very happy!
Keep the big monsters in, add a few more big Krakens, throw in a Quest for Ula's Temple and a Lurking Predators, add an additional removal spell (Cyclonic Rift maybe), swap out the lands as suggested but drop the number down a little, add in Ancient Greenwarden and Kodama of the East Tree and a Lotus Cobra and Scute Swarm and Azusa and up the ramp, the deck becomes a pretty hard-hitting, dropping big boys down like it aint nothing deck. Been running in a few pods and having a lot of fun. My big finisher comes in the form of Finale of Devestation.
Did you guys forget Worldly Tutor is in Commander Collection Green?
A few suggestions for the big sea monster route-
Arixmethes- 2BG: Starts as land that ramps you until you've cast 5 spells with it on the table... and turns into a 12/12 that still ramps you
Stormsurge Kraken-3BB: A Hexproof 5/5 BUT as long as you control your commander gets +2/2 and can draw you 2 cards if someone blocks it
Nadir Kraken- 1BB: 2/3 Kraken that can get a +1/1 and make a 1/1 Tentacle Creature Token every time you draw a card if you pay 1 Generic
Tidal Barracuda-3B: 3/4 Fish Any player can cast spells as though they had flash AND
Your opponents can't cast spells during your turn
Koma, Cosmos Serpent-3GGBB: 6/6 Serpent that can't be countered and makes a 3/3 Serpent at the beginning of EACH upkeep.
You can then sac a serpent to tap a creature and blank its activated abilities for a turn OR make Koma indestructible
Nezahol was a bad cut. It can pull a ton of weight and is basically an unintactable card draw engine, because as along as they have to do something to it by playing a spell, you get card draw and they waste resources. More often than not, I see the danger noodle sit around and draw its owner 7-9 cards before being forced out of the game one way or another. added with the extra land plays and potential for recurring discarded lands, Nezahol holds its own here.
Discard 3 lands+ slogurk WHOO
I've always been a fan of y'alls content but man you guys have gotten commercialized lol. I find the talking card ads obnoxious as heck. I wouldn't buy the stuff out of spite lol. Glad many of you guys enjoy them, all good. Just commented to see if anyone agrees, I'm probably the only one. Lol
“We need more removal” *cuts removal*
I mean it's Meteor Golem
@@QGonline you’re entirely right. That being said, wizards should put better removal in the precons
I'm buying both of the zendikar pre cons and both of the commander legends pre cons for the cards and the reprints. I'm also building the new Omnath deck, so both landfall decks would be nice.
Bought this deck the other day and played nemesis. 2 against me and I still won with it being just as it is.. this deck is crazy.
What I have been taught is that cards like Azusa giving you extra Land drops or Coiling Oracle are no Ramp because Ramping means directly providing oneself with Mana in Form of Lands from the deck or Mana from an effect like Sol Ring, Signets etc. As you already mencioned, those effects dont help you Stack up Mana/ Lands if you dont hit those lands
First game I played with this deck I drew 66 cards, played 29 lands in under 14 turns, summoned 22 tokens, played my commander four times, completely recovered from a Massacre Girl/Liesa forgotten archangel combo in two turns; and won the game by swinging in for 78 damage. Not to mention the Massacre girl exiled the 10 2/3 plants I got from Avanger of Zendikar. I got all the counters in one turn, the table just immediate removed AOZ. Barely even affected the deck, this thing is such an engine. By the end of the game the only thing I was scared of was running out of basic lands to play. Oh, and I didn’t make a single deck modification. You win again, 20$ simic precon.
I know it's not the most competitive version, but I love the idea of a sea-monster deck so I went that way with it.
When are we getting the remainder episodes for the review of commander legends' legendary partners and rare cards?
Hey can you guys make a Game Knight using this deck along with the Obuun deck and the Wyleth deck. I think it would be fun plus allow people to see then in action and decide if they wanna buy them
Takes them a few months to make game knights :/ but its a good idea
I played this deck and could easily play 2 of the big creatures every turn once I had 20 lands on the board XD
I am from Germany and I never heard of theese Razors XD
We use mostly Gilette or Wilkinson or Phillips One Touch Blade :)
I got this as my first deck and trupsquall hydra is actually good. I always save it for when I have lots of land from the other cards.
Stumpsquall Hydra is great for pumping Animar, and it can essentially double the counters if you only put the counters on Animar itself.
I think you should have mentioned Tatyova, espescially since putting her in the Command Zone and Aesi in the 99 makes the deck way better.
I completely agree with the Tatyova include, but what the heck? Why would you replace a clearly superior version of a card with its worse version?
Playing Aesi T4 is just as easy as playing Tatyova T4, but you get a free Exploration effect and much better P/T instead of basically meaningless lifegain.
You could make an argument for T3 Tatyova, but that's a hard one to pull off, especially consistently.
Side Note: Aesi even has the superior wording which includes "may draw" compared to Tatyova's mandatory "draw".
I know this is a year late but Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle is a great card for this deck. I find it works better as the commander. Stumpsquall Hydra can put the counters on him while he is a land, and with him being a 12/12, if you play it right, you can one shot someone after a board wipe. He triggers landfall and is immune to those boardwipes too. And being a land makes it harder to destroy, until you need him as a creature.
Why do I get the feeling they don’t use Lands matter decks very often
Alright, so, listen.
I got an email from CZ today advising patrons that, since there are a lot of new videos incoming, we might want to consider going to Patreon to cap our monthly contributions (since the tier list on CZ's patreon is per video, not per month).
What kind of businessmen go out of their way to tell you how to pay LESS (if you so choose)?
What kind? The good kind because, if there are, say, ten videos this month, the average 1$-tier patron might be surprised to get hit for $10 and might then cease to be a patron.
I, of course, will not be setting a limit on my support precisely because J&J went out of their way to advise me of the oncoming deluge of new content. (Yay for that, by the way.)
Jimmy and Josh are god-tier at being good humans.
Still waiting for my patron shoutout, though. Just sayin'. It's been like three years, guys.
That's actually really cool or them.
What a magnificent way to take a quite unique simic deck and make it into the most generic deck with no real identity, just simic things...
THIS!!!
Playing big dumb things that have no home is my jam, would much rather play a mono green hydra tribal than the only other mG deck archtype (that being elves), so id much prefer sea monsters to simic goodstuff
It WAS a great holiday gift (for me) now thanks for the upgrade advice!!
Highest Scute Swarm count of mine was 17k :D
i agree with all of these except
35:45 why...why would you cut the budget alternative to consecrated sphinx plus did you not read it you get to draw every time someone cast a noncreate it also gives infinite hand size and there's a lot of ramp in the deck and plus it can protect itself eons better than the sphinx can
Reshape the Earth and Scapeshift are two good cards I am thinking would work well in this deck.
If I run the reap the tides deck, could I just swap aesi into the deck and put uro as the commander? I have a foil uro I really want to use as a commander, but in this deck idk if it will be good without modification. If I do need to modify the deck to make uro suitable as the commander, then what should I swap out and put in?
In the case of these decks, while on the face they seem to be made for new players, from my experience with playing them for the past week they seem to work incredibly well if the player fully understands the deck. In the case of this one, using the various tap/bounce to help protect against threats while keeping a full hand is the way to play.
With the other, if the player knows the common sunforger strategies it's very easy to make Wyleth a persistent threat while keeping advantage. I really hate to shit in the hands that gave us these, but a good deck and an intuitive deck are not exactly synonyms.
Josh and Jimmy sound so ready for the year of commander to be over. The shift the team puts in to get these episodes out must be insane.
My favourite deck to this day so many ways to build it the commander boring yes but simple and good can’t go wrong even as a precon
What they need is a special, magical, two headed commander. 6 players, each in 3 2h giant pairs, playing two-colour only decks that share a colour with their partner (get it... commander partner, not partner commanders hehe) so if one of the 2h plays Gruul, the other must contain red or green. It'd also help showcase commander with 3 instead of 4 (as not everyone gets a fourth player for it)
What's better than 1 Tatyova? 2. And also Arixmethes. I'd slot those 2 before cutting all the sea monsters that are still around after you Whelming Wave.
Which you then plop the Archeomancer you just bounced back to your hand and get the wave back.
14:09 “scourge of fleets requires you to attack”…um no, that’s just incorrect. I play aesi not only for the additional land but bc sea creatures are cool and quite viable. It also makes landfall easier to swallow for other players at the table.
My first game with this deck I replaced a forest and an island with Shark Typhoon and... some kinda counter I think? Either way, minus those two lands, it played beautifully
These prices for the reprints seem way to high.
I know the american market is crazy overprized but we talking about triple the price from last month in europe.
And Nezahal was 50c last time I checked.... before the precon was even spoiled.
Exactly what I was wanting. Listening now. Thanks guys!
Coiling Oracle and Explore may not guarantee a ramp, but even if they don’t ramp, it’s a minimum card draw for 2 CMC. However, in Simic and its draw/scry capability, the odds of dropping a land with them is pretty good.
Placed a big order on cards (for me that is) and forgot to add the command zone in the website to give you all credit. I had to call customer service over an issue regarding the order and they were able to add or give you credit or whatever helps when we add command zone to the link.
Spitting image a nyxbloom ancient a few times and make your lands tap for 81. Throw in a braingeyser, blue suns zenith and a pull from tomorrow to dump that mana into and lab maniac out while also playing cards like body of knowledge and sturmgeist to play voltron need be. Also can play a ton of counterspells to make sure you can keep doing what you want. Not really budget but still lol
Tireless Tracker is relatively cheap financially speaking, I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned right after Courser of Kruphix.
I play tested it out of box and honestly removing high CMC isn't the issue i took out 6 basic lands and that was the best thing for the deck
Maybe its just me but there feels like a missed opportunity for this. Hear me out.
When doing a video like this why is there not a link to cardkingfom with these selected cards in a bundle type "buy it now" option.
Card kingdom should have a page with link dedicated to "as seen on command zone" section. Not only is there the affiliate link but also using the creator code at checkout making it a double dip for command zone marketing.
Unless it's been confirmed otherwise, Aesi might be from Kaldheim. Viking mythos is no stranger to massive sea serpents, not straits as geographical formations in seafaring. That, and those houses on the coast there look norse in their design. Just a theory, but it could be so; I'm seeing Kalheim everywhere I go.
being simic. I think keeping with the sea tribal is a better way to go. There are A LOT of cheap green/simic ramps and wonderful themed cards that could be put into it.