I think the precons tend to be 75% the actual deck they presume to be, and about 25% another deck that you might wanna build separately. So in a way, they are meant to start a new commander player on their way to their first two functional decks. I think that is the best way to look at Commander precons, and the most effective way to get good value from them
Yeah malakir rebirth and sea gate restoration are the only 2 i really play. I dont run green much cuz I believe its a cop out color and i do agree that basics are fine in all decks minus 4 or 5 color where half or more the lands need to tap for 2 or more colors.
I did a little precon power up of my own for a friend of mine who picked up this as his first deck. Put in a Keeper of the Accord in place of the Oreskos Explorer and hot damn it puts in work.
24:55 Second this! I'm building a Belzdrazi Deck and being able to throw in the modal dual faced land cards from black and green is a complete GRAVY TRAIN! Love them. Defacto put the green and black mythics in any green/black+ commander deck i create and I've yet to be dissapointed when i draw into one. I either count it for my land drop or cast a MASSIVE bomb using Belbe's 6 mana giving ability to make the cost of the spell on the reverse side a pittance! Great job on this tech upgrade guys! Looking forward to you doing more of these! :)
Nice upgrade guys..one question... In your discussion on Godo, you mention "you want to give Wyleth another combat.." Since Wyleth is not a Samuri, how would you untap it? I believe you can only attack with Godo on the 2nd combat unless Wyleth has vigilance from Sentinel's Eyes, correct?
My picks: Basilisk Collar cause deathtouch and trample are nasty. Escape Velocity is a recurring aura for 1 giving a tiny buff and haste. Gryff’s Boon similar to the above. Open the Armory and Heliod’s Pilgrim are great tutors.
Oh shoot honestly, I think I missed Escape Velocity, I like that card a lot. We do have the tutors in here and collar was just a wee bit too expensive at $3
This was a great deck building video. You guys had the right cards I'll be having my buddy watch this he'll love it. Keep staying Pawzitive & Safe, it's great to see how much fun you put into changing the cards. Your knowledge is unruly
Love this video! I know you guys will hate it, but I really want to make Bell Borca work! 😆 Having a phyrexian arena in the command zone for Boros is something I want to experiment with.
Moraug is probably a solid wincon, but obviously it's not a budget card Martial Coup does have something useful: generating bodies I played against the deck on the table while I was playing Meren, so you can probably imagine that I shut down the board until token generators hit the field (considering there's 4 Fleshbag Marauder-type cards to force sac) - I also had a Strionic Resonator that game too
I think our version is better at getting other bodies out than the precon which was like "Wyleth is your only wincon!" for some reason. The token stuff is just kinda off theme
@@NitpickingNerds That's fair, he did turn around the board state completely with it - I know I built a Voltron with Hope of Ghirapur and I did include the token generator equipment into the deck, because I included Smuggler's Copter and Weatherlight to help with card draw in the deck (actually, those two might be nice to add to Wyleth as well, considering Skullclamp is already on your list)
You can use flickerwisp if your opponent puts an aura curse on your voltron and taps him and keeps him trapped until end of game. Voltron commanders are putting all your eggs in one basket. Not keen on voltron commanders. They're both super strong and super weak. There are plenty of cards that can subdue or steal a commander creature, and then what do you do? If you play in good groups, you'll more often be sitting on your hands for most of the game with nothing to do, because the voltron commander is taken out of the game.
Kinda nice to see someone else hate on cards like Orekos Explorer. I always feel kinda annoyed by folks recommending Knight of White Orchard to every white deck......no just give me my efficient rocks 😆 Totally disagree on adding greaves. It easily screws ya over in voltron decks. Your generally creature lite so its not uncommon to have no other creatures in play. Haha I always imagined slapping all the equipment together like a power rangers weapon 😬 I love Darksteel Mutation! Oh no, I spoke too soon, ya recommended Knight of White Orchard 🤐 Oh yeah, a lot of the modal cards have just become auto includes for many of my decks. Good vid guys.
Was I the only one that started chanting “Bonesaw, Bonesaw, Bonesaw” along with them before I even realized that I was doing it or thought about why I was doing it?
Love your videos guys! What do you guys think about changing the commander Wyleth out for Partner Akiri and Rograkh? Also I have an Aurelia the Warleader from the Boros guild kit. Would that be a good include?
You could change the commander, although you'd be missing out on card draw in the command zone so I'd recommend adding at least 2-3 more spells that do it. Aurelia is an awesome include for the deck, I'd say go for it!
I added shuko and bone saw to the deck from my collection thinking these cards are so dumb but they really fit the deck. No one is going to think to add these. I watch this video and realize I'm no secret genius
@@NitpickingNerds yeah they are overperformers in the deck. No one removes them because they are so bad but they provide that card draw and with double strike they become relevant. I also added cobbled wings. Having flying allows extra attacking options on a cluttered board. I know you disagree with umezawa's jitte but this has also performed. Remove all the counters on a turn when you double strike off the land and one shot someone. It also opens attacking options because if they block you plus +2+2 as many times as needed or it acts as some sort of removal with the -1-1 while staying on theme. It's also not a budget card these days but I have a pretty large precon collection and it was in rats nest theme deck.
@@NitpickingNerds I got my cards and built the deck! I did have a few cards that worth adding so my deck is slightly different from your guys. would love to know what you think www.moxfield.com/decks/R0WJgahTCkqb02T9Scdvvw
ok I have a minor and a moderate nitpick. minor one first. in the list under spells you have evolving wilds. moderate nitpick as always the lack of removed cards make things tougher, but more importantly, none of the flippy lands you mentioned are in any of your decklists added or full list :o kazuul's fury valakut awakening sejiri shelter kabira takedown sskyclave cleric
@@samorniv7911 wipes and massive target removal. Lots of black decks that forces to sac creatures. Its easy to win via infinite combos in my meta, but very hard if you try the voltron style. Commanders with cmc 4 or more are also difficult to play.
Hey this might be a weird comment... I like/appreciate these videos (especially for the budget players out there) but I don't really want budget content from you. I think of you as the people who Nitpick their decks to perfection. You think certain cards are unplayable, which tells me you guys know a lot of stuff about the highest of power, without going into cEDH, which is exactly where I wanna be. Plus I proxy a lot. But I can use this video mostly for what to cut from the precon at least! So thx! Take my view, comment and like!
Thanks for the comment, like, upvote, etc! We like to offer budget content every once in a while, especially since you can still Nitpick on a budget! 😂
In practice, the sword is +3/+0 and a removal spell if the creature gets blocked. It definitely is not as bad as the internet seems to think, but it isn't ideal by any means.
@@NitpickingNerds I took his dumb sword and put it into my wgr deck, with all the boros recknor like creatures and starstorm and blasphemous act and other cards
@@NitpickingNerds sadly moving greaves off the critter you have greaves on is a good way to advertise your plans. If only two creatures are in play they can kill your target for moving greaves and then greaves is stuck on your creature until you play another one. I think overall swiftfoot boots is a clearly stronger choice in this specific instance.
I really like the upgrades, the only take-out that feels weird is that 2 mana +3/+2 equip for free to legendaries. Good stuff! 👍
I think the precons tend to be 75% the actual deck they presume to be, and about 25% another deck that you might wanna build separately. So in a way, they are meant to start a new commander player on their way to their first two functional decks. I think that is the best way to look at Commander precons, and the most effective way to get good value from them
In my opionion the MDFC cards with the tapped lands on the backside are rather awfully slowing you down. Basics do their job quite well.
Yeah malakir rebirth and sea gate restoration are the only 2 i really play. I dont run green much cuz I believe its a cop out color and i do agree that basics are fine in all decks minus 4 or 5 color where half or more the lands need to tap for 2 or more colors.
I did a little precon power up of my own for a friend of mine who picked up this as his first deck. Put in a Keeper of the Accord in place of the Oreskos Explorer and hot damn it puts in work.
Such a nice card! Keeper of Oreskos can suck it
24:55 Second this! I'm building a Belzdrazi Deck and being able to throw in the modal dual faced land cards from black and green is a complete GRAVY TRAIN! Love them. Defacto put the green and black mythics in any green/black+ commander deck i create and I've yet to be dissapointed when i draw into one. I either count it for my land drop or cast a MASSIVE bomb using Belbe's 6 mana giving ability to make the cost of the spell on the reverse side a pittance!
Great job on this tech upgrade guys! Looking forward to you doing more of these! :)
I liked learning about dowsing dagger. Nice budget nitpick over sword of the animist. I can't wait to flip it.. flip it good.
If you can flip right away, it's probably even better than the sword! :D
@@NitpickingNerds I was thinking it might be I'm going to play it and see. I'll attach it to an unblockable Commander.
Nice upgrade guys..one question... In your discussion on Godo, you mention "you want to give Wyleth another combat.." Since Wyleth is not a Samuri, how would you untap it? I believe you can only attack with Godo on the 2nd combat unless Wyleth has vigilance from Sentinel's Eyes, correct?
Vigalence I guess
My picks:
Basilisk Collar cause deathtouch and trample are nasty.
Escape Velocity is a recurring aura for 1 giving a tiny buff and haste.
Gryff’s Boon similar to the above.
Open the Armory and Heliod’s Pilgrim are great tutors.
Oh shoot honestly, I think I missed Escape Velocity, I like that card a lot. We do have the tutors in here and collar was just a wee bit too expensive at $3
I like gryff's boon over angelic gift. Trading a card for recursion seems like a good deal for me
The recursion seemed a little slow, but it might be good enough!
Ardenn, Reyav, are great picks for this deck and for Boros in general. This video shows you can make card advantage for Boros. Awesome.
Some people get too caught up in hating to see that these decks can function very well nowadays
True.
This was a great deck building video. You guys had the right cards I'll be having my buddy watch this he'll love it. Keep staying Pawzitive & Safe, it's great to see how much fun you put into changing the cards. Your knowledge is unruly
Thanks as always pawz
Love this video! I know you guys will hate it, but I really want to make Bell Borca work! 😆 Having a phyrexian arena in the command zone for Boros is something I want to experiment with.
Honestly we don’t hate any commander! Just gotta make it interesting
Lightning greaves is a dangerous game to play, stuck with swift boot boots if you are pure voltron IMO
Moraug is probably a solid wincon, but obviously it's not a budget card
Martial Coup does have something useful: generating bodies
I played against the deck on the table while I was playing Meren, so you can probably imagine that I shut down the board until token generators hit the field (considering there's 4 Fleshbag Marauder-type cards to force sac) - I also had a Strionic Resonator that game too
I think our version is better at getting other bodies out than the precon which was like "Wyleth is your only wincon!" for some reason. The token stuff is just kinda off theme
@@NitpickingNerds That's fair, he did turn around the board state completely with it - I know I built a Voltron with Hope of Ghirapur and I did include the token generator equipment into the deck, because I included Smuggler's Copter and Weatherlight to help with card draw in the deck (actually, those two might be nice to add to Wyleth as well, considering Skullclamp is already on your list)
How about Keeper of the Accord for the ramp slot? Also creates weenies for skullclamp, which is likely to happen because you're Voltroning.
Keeper is solid, we couldn't quite fit it in budget-wise, but it's one of the first cards I'd add now!
You can use flickerwisp if your opponent puts an aura curse on your voltron and taps him and keeps him trapped until end of game.
Voltron commanders are putting all your eggs in one basket. Not keen on voltron commanders. They're both super strong and super weak. There are plenty of cards that can subdue or steal a commander creature, and then what do you do? If you play in good groups, you'll more often be sitting on your hands for most of the game with nothing to do, because the voltron commander is taken out of the game.
Wyleth will replace the cards we use to suit him up with, and we can always go in on another creature :)
It's not budget, but a must have for any self-respecting Boros deck is Sword of the Animist. It's worth the 12 bucks.
That card is awesome
Love your videos, The decklist only has 94 cards in maindeck could you please fix
Kinda nice to see someone else hate on cards like Orekos Explorer. I always feel kinda annoyed by folks recommending Knight of White Orchard to every white deck......no just give me my efficient rocks 😆
Totally disagree on adding greaves. It easily screws ya over in voltron decks. Your generally creature lite so its not uncommon to have no other creatures in play.
Haha I always imagined slapping all the equipment together like a power rangers weapon 😬
I love Darksteel Mutation!
Oh no, I spoke too soon, ya recommended Knight of White Orchard 🤐
Oh yeah, a lot of the modal cards have just become auto includes for many of my decks.
Good vid guys.
Was I the only one that started chanting “Bonesaw, Bonesaw, Bonesaw” along with them before I even realized that I was doing it or thought about why I was doing it?
We hope everyone did.
Bonesaw was Randy Savage’s character in the original Toby Macguire Spider-Man. I thought that was what the reference was.
Love your videos guys! What do you guys think about changing the commander Wyleth out for Partner Akiri and Rograkh? Also I have an Aurelia the Warleader from the Boros guild kit. Would that be a good include?
You could change the commander, although you'd be missing out on card draw in the command zone so I'd recommend adding at least 2-3 more spells that do it. Aurelia is an awesome include for the deck, I'd say go for it!
Divine Reckoning could be a useful wrath since it can be played twice and you can spare your quarterback.
I added shuko and bone saw to the deck from my collection thinking these cards are so dumb but they really fit the deck. No one is going to think to add these. I watch this video and realize I'm no secret genius
Hope they perform well for you!
@@NitpickingNerds yeah they are overperformers in the deck. No one removes them because they are so bad but they provide that card draw and with double strike they become relevant.
I also added cobbled wings. Having flying allows extra attacking options on a cluttered board.
I know you disagree with umezawa's jitte but this has also performed. Remove all the counters on a turn when you double strike off the land and one shot someone. It also opens attacking options because if they block you plus +2+2 as many times as needed or it acts as some sort of removal with the -1-1 while staying on theme. It's also not a budget card these days but I have a pretty large precon collection and it was in rats nest theme deck.
Help! The card list on tcgplayer is lacking 5 cards, and after following the video I have a 106 card deck, so I definitely missed something.
You still having trouble?
I don't know why the bonesaw chant cracks me up every time.
Probably because it is pure gold. Somebody had to come up with that in a writers meeting and everyone had to agree to it!
Flickerwisp is in the deck because it can be bad removal. (Although I agree, I'd still cut it.)
so how many lands exactly do you run in the deck after the upgrade including the MDFCs? :)
Been waiting for your precon upgrade video for this commander! love the choices and have ordered the cards i was able to find in stock!
Awesome hope you used the tcg link in the descriptionn
@@NitpickingNerds I am in the UK. they don't ship here :-(
@@paulowen3271 noooooo.....
@@NitpickingNerds I got my cards and built the deck! I did have a few cards that worth adding so my deck is slightly different from your guys. would love to know what you think www.moxfield.com/decks/R0WJgahTCkqb02T9Scdvvw
Dualcaster mage allows you to copy the spells that give you extra combat steps
Yeah, I think we basically cut him for an extra combat spell lol
@@NitpickingNerds Also, I dropped in a fervent champion as a 1 drop, since it's an equip deck.
ok I have a minor and a moderate nitpick.
minor one first. in the list under spells you have evolving wilds.
moderate nitpick as always the lack of removed cards make things tougher, but more importantly, none of the flippy lands you mentioned are in any of your decklists added or full list :o
kazuul's fury
valakut awakening
sejiri shelter
kabira takedown
sskyclave cleric
What do you guys think about Akroma's Will? I was surprised it wasn't added to the list.
It's pretty good, but slightly pricey for something that wouldn't be a crucial piece. if you have a little extra budget I would toss it in
@@NitpickingNerds Are you talking about cmc cost or money cost because it is less than $2 on TCG?
@@theotherguy4478 $2 dollars is just a bit high for nonessential cards. $1.22 is the average we have per card.
@@NitpickingNerds That makes sense. Thanks for the input.
@@theotherguy4478 Thanks for the suggestion though. We are very high on that card as well!
I agree, Blazing Sunsteel is garbage in the precon…until you add Brash Taunter to the deck
MDFC are soo good with bouncelands. I think i would slap worldslayer and indestructible stuff for the funsies.
Only problem is its crazy equip cost lol
Joe consoling the table after beezy smacks it lol , consoled me for missing disclaimer guy
He's still around just not in every video :P
Personally I'd run Surestrike trident over kuzzuls fury one because I'm not killiny commander and 2 Surestrike trident Is a repeatable effect
These guys are all over the place.
great video again bois!
Thanks a million!
Benevolent blessing is a free roll in this deck. you attack, someone uses swords to plowshare, and you say no.
It's a solid protection aura, you could play that over Spectra Ward
I personally am going to rip this to put in Syr Gwyn, but great upgrades!
Totally a valid use for it, not all precons need to stay together!
Syr Gwyn is so bad in my meta 😭
Why? Artifact hate? Boardwipes? Knight hate? Other reasons?
@@samorniv7911 wipes and massive target removal. Lots of black decks that forces to sac creatures.
Its easy to win via infinite combos in my meta, but very hard if you try the voltron style.
Commanders with cmc 4 or more are also difficult to play.
Owch. I feel ya.
Um this and lands wrath are not on moxfield!
Hey this might be a weird comment... I like/appreciate these videos (especially for the budget players out there) but I don't really want budget content from you. I think of you as the people who Nitpick their decks to perfection. You think certain cards are unplayable, which tells me you guys know a lot of stuff about the highest of power, without going into cEDH, which is exactly where I wanna be. Plus I proxy a lot.
But I can use this video mostly for what to cut from the precon at least! So thx! Take my view, comment and like!
Thanks for the comment, like, upvote, etc! We like to offer budget content every once in a while, especially since you can still Nitpick on a budget! 😂
@@NitpickingNerds Haha indeed you can Nitpick on a budget and still crush. :D
Sweeeet. Hope you are doing a similar video 4 the aesi simic/landfall deck.
It comes out Friday!
@@NitpickingNerds is that today or next friday? So excited!
why is there only 95 cards in your decklist?
1 valukut awakening
1 kabira takedown
1 sejiri shelter
1 kazuuls fury
1 skyclave cleric
lol i bought this list, they forgot to show the instants from the precon.
Handy Haversack?
Wyleth seems great in the 99 :P
He is good commander too
the deck list is missing 5 cards
There was a glitch with TCGplayer around this time if I remember right, they’re just lands
There was a glitch with TCGplayer around this time if I remember right, they’re just lands
Mortal nerds, hand me thyne windy tree for it shall grace my angelic wings!
You mean our Wispy plushie? 😂
@@NitpickingNerds You pass the test
How would you power up yourselves for $50?
I would buy some weights to lift
Very sad his signature equipment is kinda bad
It's like if Thor could summon a dull butter knife
Chuck in brash taunter and its over
In practice, the sword is +3/+0 and a removal spell if the creature gets blocked. It definitely is not as bad as the internet seems to think, but it isn't ideal by any means.
Battled for arms 😂😂
Sometimes I’m a comical genius 😌
Ah yes, the classic joke of rearranging words in a sentence. We know it well!
Sometimes low hanging fruit tastes the best.
My akiri ate the wyleth deck
Haha, absorbing Wyleth for his power and spitting out his dumb sword
@@NitpickingNerds I took his dumb sword and put it into my wgr deck, with all the boros recknor like creatures and starstorm and blasphemous act and other cards
@@NitpickingNerds double boros when equipped
Ardenn targets sadly and will not work on a dude wearing greaves
Yeah you'd have to either have greaves be one of the things he moves, or move everything else and equip greaves after. shouldnt be an issue
@@NitpickingNerds sadly moving greaves off the critter you have greaves on is a good way to advertise your plans. If only two creatures are in play they can kill your target for moving greaves and then greaves is stuck on your creature until you play another one. I think overall swiftfoot boots is a clearly stronger choice in this specific instance.
Second
As an old fisherman in a commercial once said, "you gotta be quicker than that"
These precons are of so low value why not just build a deck from the ground up?
First!
Congrats!