Porsche 997.2 Carrera 2 S - The Sweet Spot of "Normal" Modern 911s? (Drive and Review)
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- Everyone will tell you what their favourite 911 is. You're never going to find one that pleases everybody. BUT, you can work out the sweet spots in the range and today I'm driving one of those - a second generation 997 with the classic round headlamp look, but the much improved DFI engine. The last time I drove one of these it left me cold, does this do the same?
#Porsche #997 #C2S
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Please stop praising this car, I’m trying to afford it and you’re making the prices rise lmao
im 18 and theyve already started rising 😭 in 7 years they will be like 993 prices 😭
@@nadeemm429 I feel your pain pal 😫😫
One of the best JayEmm and 997.2 reviews I’ve seen. Can’t wait to collect mine next week 🙌🏼
I owned one from new but the C2 S 997.1 and I can confirm it was superb. It was more than fast enough with 355bhp and handled wonderfully. It was cheap to run, long service intervals and reasonably practical. To me, the best junior supercar there is.
I listen to a lot of car reviews, yours are so practical and driver focused and spot on. Thanks for the work
Didn't agree with all the 991 bashing, but agree entirely on the BMW thing, remember my first drive in a 997c2s and remember thinking it just did absolutely everything that bit better.
It's the 991.1 I just don't gel with. I quite like the .2
I enjoyed that. Had a .1 4S Cab, did mega miles in it form east anglia to the top of Scotland and outer Hebrides and many trips to France. It had more sheep shit under the arches than most Ranger Rovers. Best car money could by. Had a dalliance with a V8V at the same time but that wasn’t a patch on the Porsche and only stayed a year. Went onto a 997.2 turbo which was epic but now in a 991. 4S Cab which suites me well as I get older and softer but still wanting a N/A engine. Newer 3.0 turbo engines may be efficient but don’t have Porsche 911 character anymore #sadface.
Have always loved your reviews - the best out there in my opinion. A question for you: which one of these 2 cars (very similar in my opinion) would you pick: 997.2 C2S or Lotus Evora GT? I have a 10-yr old 997.2S with 48K miles which I bought new and love, but wonder whether I should swap it for a new Lotus Evora GT for a similar driving experience but with “more emotion”?
The most unreliable Porsche is more reliable than the most reliable Ferrari 😂.... car choices is subjective....
People buy Porsches for various reasons. Some people buy Porsches for prestige, some buy Porsches for their speed, some buy Porsches for their looks, but if you’re looking for a true, seat of your pants, sports car driving experience, I believe the 997.2 is the ultimate Porsche.
There’s no question that Porsche improves their cars with each model year, but with the 991 Porsche changed the 911 forever, and for the pure race car driving experience, not for the better. I say that for two obvious reasons: first, the 991 abandoned hydraulic steering for electric steering resulting in an insulated road feel through the steering wheel. Likewise, the 991 is longer, wider and heavier than the 997, again adding additional separation between the driver and the road. Additionally, the 997 is the last “pure” Porsche, as the 991 was developed under the umbrella of Volkswagon. So, if a true race car driving experience is your main reason for buying a Porsche, I am firmly in the camp that believes the 997 generation is the way to go.
I have owned two 997’s. I had a 2007 997.1 Carrera 4 which I absolutely loved. I tracked that car and had a ball watching Corvettes in my run group spin out as they tried to keep up with me through the turns. I recently purchased a 2009 997.2 Carrera 4S Cabriolet and I love the newer engine and the upgraded center dash. Driving these cars is an absolute driving pleasure, sure to bring a wide smile to your face. I honestly don’t think you could go wrong with either 997 version (IMS bearing concerns aside).
As far as the future value is concerned, for those of us who prefer a naturally aspirated engine, these cars should definitely appreciate as the 991.2 started Porsche’s journey on the turbo-only road.
So that’s my humble 2 cents on the subject. I hope this is helpful to some potential buyers.
Just bought one! 😊👍 I’m rapped. It is 2010 Cabriolet with 12,000 on the clock. Looks like a new car. Guards red with black top. Stunning
Congrats, I'm sure you'll love it! I've had my 2009 C2S coupe for 6 years and still love driving it. Was tempted after a drive in a C8 Corvette (barely more new than I could get for my 997, and with lots of warranty) but it faded quickly after I looked at and drove my 997.2 again. Right now I can't think of any car I'd change it for.
Congrats on that purchase, Andrew. I've had a 2011 C2S Cabriolet (6 speed manual) in Guards red for 6 years now. Absolutely fantastic car!! Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
Bought an '09 C4S Cabriolet PDK about 6 months ago and haven't yet stopped grinning yet. It's the perfect driver's car for the back roads of Northern California's Sierra Nevada foothills! 😉
As always, absolutely brilliant review, as it basically captures the essence and spirit of this car, and even more so the fascination behind a Porsche 911 in general.
Apart from that, you're one of the only car TH-camrs where I never feel the urge to skip forward, but just sit back and enjoy listening.
Just kinda sad to see that the number of subscribers is in downright criminal disproportion to the quality of your content...
Anyway, keep up the good work, mate 👍🏻
Thanks Hans, couldnt agree more
I totally agree.
Agree
Just subscribed
@@JayEmmOnCars Hi James, what song is on the intro of this video?
Absolutely spot on , I will never regret purchasing my 997 for the very reasons you stated in your latest installment.
What a brilliant review
Well if you and Winston are ever in the Toronto area - let me know! I met you guys down in San Diego and I tried to hint to Winston that if you like to tour in corvettes, a 911 would be better.
You prolly dont care but does anybody know a trick to log back into an instagram account??
I was dumb forgot the password. I would love any help you can offer me!
@Shawn Jay instablaster :)
if there was an award for most appropriate metaphor that had never been used, "Stuttgartian truffle pig" wins it. Love the video, and the car.
When we say 911, the 997 is what comes to mind.
Possibly the best shape EVER.
really?
@@stereolababy Yep, I personnally think that 993 and 997 are the best 911s ever created from a design and mechanical point of view (I own a .2 C2S).
The 997 in particular which brought plenty of exceptional iterations that are still praised a lot today.
About as good looking as a 993. But then I own both and wouldn't want to part with either.
@@randyc2083 993 much better looking 993 widebody S model is easily the best looking 911 ever made. However, 997 is the best looking of the water cooled. 991 is ok too but I simply dislike the 992. Way too big. But hey, I own the ugliest (996) and I even like that. LOL. At least it's not a gigantic GT car like the 992.
Owning my 987.2S and having tested the 997.2S - I agree. This is a very weird generation of cars - combining what's best from both worlds - hydraulic steering and chassis size of the old Porsches and modern, worry free engines of the new Porsches. Double wishbone on the back of the 997.2 feels pretty special, the car "squats" incredibly under acceleration, whereas simple MacPherson rear strut in the 987 is less sophisticated, but the car pivots in the corners around your hips and gives you a more reassuring composure than the 911. Both have their limitations in every category, but as a tool and a leisure car in one - they are so, so good.
Does the 997.1 not have double wishbones on the rear?
Porsche Rules
1. Only buy a new one
2. If rule 1 fails only buy one still under the manufacturer 's warranty
3. If rule 1 & 2 fail then be rich.
Was it just me or did anyone else’s arse clench at 9:55 when that lorry passed in the opposite direction?
Jay always subtly adds these 'moments' into his videos
Yes!
Yep
no? :\
Absolutely
I particularly like the 997s looks and size.
Nice review man.
Although, having lived with both the 997.2 and 991.1 (both C2S), I can't fully agree. Yes they're both brilliant, but my God, the 991.1 C2S is spectacular in both pull (400HP) and noise above 5500RPM. Its modern, comfortable and a pussy cat around town but a complete animal when you ask it to be one. The only thing that lets it down is the electric steering, and to be honest, in 13000 miles of road and track driving, I've not once thought "if only it had better steering". The nose goes exactly where i want it to be. Every time. For me, its the 991.1 all the way. But as you rightly said, the 911 means so many different things to so many people. Each to his own.
Doesn’t the 997.2 and the 991.1 have the same motor?
@@jpdp3339 Yes, the MA1 engine, although each model year will have a slight different revision. For instance:
997 S, MA1.01, 2009, 6ZYL/3,8L /283 KW
991 S, MA1.03, 2013, 6ZYL/3,8L /294 KW
However, the refinement in the 991 is what I like most. Also, the chassis feels more stable in the 991 as it's a longer wheelbase.
They're both great cars, and for the price point, as Jay says, you can't go wrong with the 997. however (to my dismay, as I'm losing money at quite a rate), the 991 is coming down in price as well now.
991.2 for me steering is right and that completes the package
Does your 991.1 C2S have the rear steering? How do you like it? Does the rear steering malfunction easily, or is it fairly robust. Thanks!
991.1 is a much more capable car, but for me it really traded the "raw" feel (from the HPAS, shorter wheelbase, and tighter cabin) in the 996 & 997 cars for refinement and comfort.
You could say the same thing really with each generation (ie G->964, 964->993, 993->996) but for me the 997 is the sweet spot for feel vs refinement. Although the later PDKs got even faster and smoother, I'm still very satisfied with my PDK's performance.
My biggest letdown with the 997.2 is the sound - I believe the 997.2 is the quietest 911 ever made, with both the M96/7 cars and the later MA1 cars having a much louder exhaust system.
Great review. I owned exactly this model for 5 years, it was my daily driver and a weekend track car. How you've described the experience of owning it and driving it is precisely how I remember it. Best car I've ever owned, period.
I had a 997.2 4S and watching this video made me realize how much I miss that car. Funny as I am driving an M3 now and have it up for sale as I am going to go back to a 911. Really enjoying "911 week", keep up the fantastic content!!
Sounds like you need a 997 Turbo!
@@kernoriordan2434 I would probably lean to a GT3 over the Turbo but you really can't go wrong with either!! Cheers, Ian
I think these are the sweet spot of the last 50 years. The newer stuff is too far from the original brief IMO. The cars get faster but the roads don''t get bigger and this is the last in line performance wise, for a car that you can still wring the neck of and not take really stupid risks. Nice review!
Porsche has the most recognizable shape in the history of the automobile. Never lost its identity.
I'd say the most boring shape, never lost its identity but never got more interesting to look at either.
TjDolHaus86 good observation, but history shows often attempts to be different was a hard lesson.
Yet grew more and more bland and Saab like as the years went on. The 992 has to be the worse looking version to date. Lovely retro dash trim but other than that, it’s now a boat.
997 c4s to me is the perfect daily weekend 911
I thought about exchanging it for a 991, but it almost feels analogue in comparison.... which is a good thing
I bought a black 997.2 in April. It's a blast. Best car I've ever owned. I believe they will be very collectible.
Congrats, I'm sure you'll love it! I've had my 2009 C2S coupe for 6 years and still love driving it. Was tempted after a drive in a C8 Corvette (barely more new than I could get for my 997, and with lots of warranty) but it faded quickly after I looked at and drove my 997.2 again. Right now I can't think of any car I'd change it for.
Why do people saying "the 996 and 997.1 were so unreliable" they werent! Think was total of 2% suffered from IMS issues which is next to nothing take care of them amd they take care of your wallet
For the price and prestige, 2% for Porsche is like 90% for other brands. 2%, considering the consequences for the purchaser, is a huge deal.
Had my 997,1 for 13 years and 105,000 miles and it’s been bulletproof however if something happens I’ll get an engine from vertex auto with all the upgrades and extra performance because the car is worth it. I’ve driven almost every gen 911 and 997 are to me the best😊 cheers
Excellent review, however I am a bit biased as I chopped in a TVR Griffith 500 for a 2009, 997.2 C2, now trundling along at just over 100k on the clock :).
How does the 911 compare to the Griff in terms of excitement and involvement?
@@2702simmo Thank you, I miss the Griffiths ( I had it for 13 years and did 70k in it) rawness and utter involvement but the 911 is totally planted, I avoided getting one for years, that was an error :)! It really is the complete package in handling and whilst not quite as fast as the TVR it is still great fun and I will probably never look for another car.
@@EnglishManinPrague Thank you, no, sorry.
Rhett Corcoran funny, I had a griff 500 (then a tamora) and am about to try my first 997.2
"Stuttgartian truffle pig" 😂 That was brilliant!
Great vid. I love my 997.2 C2S. Factory spec’d in Aqua Blue with black sports wheels. I regularly think of what I would change it for next, but the thought of selling it just doesn’t sit right with me. Puts a smile of the face every drive!
PDK is the way to go for normal people that drive in traffic. Not very ‘manly’ but very sensible. Do a video of thirty minutes in a traffic jam and see how you like pushing a pedal and waggling a stick.
...and yet we still survive.
The tiptronic gear box isn't as bas as most people make out, you can still have a lot of fun with them and is still very quick. Especially when it's your daily car 😏
997.2 is PDK which is much better than tiptronic.
@@erikhp35c95 I know about PDK 👍
2 years later. Sweden. Up for sale, a 2010 Aqua Blue 997.2 4S PDK with Sport Chrono and 31810 km on the clock in pristine condition. 79,101 Euros. Prices have definitely gone up. They are sought after.
I've been looking at these cars for 3 months or so and on average they've gone up at least €5 grand. The old wore off and people are starting to realize how much of a gem these are
The best shaped 911 from the watercooled era PERIOD, a future classic, and totally agree on all the points
991! The 991 is a modern 911 with no turbos but with a lot of modern technology. It won the Best Drivers Car competition 2 years in a row. Something that no other model has EVER managed to do.
Looking back though. The 997 is the total sweet spot. If I had the money for both. I’d take the 997 S over it. Hydraulic steering is far superior
Crank Chamber hydraulic steering is def better than early 991’s but if you’ve driven a 991.2 or a 992 I think it’s every bit as good, truly amazing what they’ve done
jameswillard1 992 they have almost cracked it!
Crank Chamber
Except that the 991.2 are Turbos and that is certainly not an advantage to many who consider the NA engines to be much better.
jameswillard1
992 is an amazing machine but the question here is about the sweet spot. Is it too big as some claim to be a true 911? Too many electronic nannies? Turbo rather than NA engine? Screen vs analog?
How about a review of the 987.1 Cayman S?
It's sad that you haven't yet hit 100k subscribers yet. Brilliant work as usual, now if only sorted out your intro music.
Had a 997.1 C2
Wonderful but not special enough for me personally. Fabulous car thou.
Agreed. I find mine quite boring at times
Like a Golf GTi almost
Ben B91 you been over 5,000 rpm?
@@jpdp3339 different strokes
The 996 is a more involved driver, but don't tell anybody.
Thanks Jay, a pleasure to watch and brought to the point - if you care about driving, not only Horsepower! Driving a 987.2 which is basically very similar but mid engine - so damn enjoyable and sticking to the road like nothing else does. And with the 2.9 liter engine without DFI but new motor construction very reliable and still beautiful noise, a good kept secret. Might be something to review, with the roof down of course ;) greetings from Stuttgart!
The only Thing I would Improve is the exhaust pipe noise. A Scart upgrade makes it a perfect 911.
Great review. Makes me feel very happy with mine. Try drive a c2S x51 sometime. I have had an S and a x51 and I'm convinced its the one to have - 2nd hand.
Brilliant film Jay. On my hit list now that they are reasonably priced. 997.2 C2S manual - all the car you’ll ever need!
Great video as always, find your channel quite addictive and actually think you and the guy from High Peak Autos should take the place of Top Gear presenters. Like you, I’m a huge 911 fan but very interested to hear your views on long term ownership 911.2 vs Aston Martin Vantage V8? Fun vs costs vs reliability, which would you choose?
I am literally the guy described in the video. I've owned an E90 M3 for 2 years and just waiting for the day my son is tall enough to ride in a 911.
I can answer this question right now for you.... yes, it’s the best car ever made
Terrific job once again! As a happy owner of 997.2 I second every sentiment shared in the video - terrific cars, modern classic 911 and fantastic value for money. And congratulations on jumping into the Ferrari ownership with that brilliant 550 Maranello! Can't wait to see follow-up videos and please keep us all posted on maintenance tips and costs...this car is on my list, as I'm sure it is on dream lists of many other petrolheads. Cheers!
I just bought a 997.2 C2S and it is as good as you say, fantastic! I sold my Aston Martin DB9 for it and it’s more fun!
I've just sold my 997.2 GTS. Had a PDK and, to be honest, I found it a bit boring except on those rare occasions when I could really flog it hard. Perhaps I'd have felt differently about a manual. The 997 also has a slightly cheap and nasty cabin and a terrible infotainment system (even for the era). Lots to like though: bulletproof build, perfect handling, fast as hell.
Classic - “Stuttgartian truffle pig” a new turn of phrase for me, but it explains it perfectly.
That's my favourite 911 ever. I wish I wealthy to purchase one.
I'm an Average American Joe in the States and i could afford one of those without too much of a problem. ie you don't necessarily have to be wealthy to be a 997.2 owner.
IF you can front the ~US$40K to buy one, and have a reserve available for any catastrophic failure, it can be one of the cheapest cars to own. It's bottomed out on the depreciation curve, and most maintenance costs are fairly reasonable if you can handle basic things yourself. The most expensive part of 997.2 ownership so far for me is tires; it was the same experience with my 986 Boxster (other than it still depreciating hard after I bought it). You can likely sell it at any point and get your initial purchase price back, which then goes to offset some of the maintenance cost. CAVEAT - any major failure can be very expensive to fix, both parts and specialized labor with access to Porsche-specific tools (like PIWIS).
pdk with the chronos pack is fast shifting in sport plus mode. please drive a car that is properly spec'd . cheers
Is it just me or does the 996 in previous video sound better
cartone車臣 it’s just you!
yep I agree with you totally, I mean I would because its my car but also because you are right :-)
Yep the 996 sounds much more aggressive and better
Think one of the best in the 997 is the 997.2 GTS manual best of the old and the new.
I think I have a hankering for a 997 but the 996 for me still has plenty to give and certainly does when I get the chance 👌
If you like the cheezie Ford Torus interior
Jepp, having owned several generations i see this exactly model as maybe the best choice of them all. Only beaten by maybe a 996.1 GT3 or a 997.1 GT3. Question is: This or a 997.2 GTS? I tend to choose this, because no centerlock wheels, i like the smaller rear track of the S and i am not so fond of the black bits of the GTS. A 997.2 S with the extra hp by porsche to 408 would maybe be perfection..
Doesn't the GTS command a hefty premium over the S? And I don't know for sure but there may be an X51 powerkit available for the S, putting it in that region.
@@RoderickVoordouw Yes, thats what i meant by "extra hp by Porsche" ;-) The X51 brings it to 408HP but they are hard to find obv..
@@000GunterGabriel000 Ah yes, it was an expensive option anyway I remember. I would think that a sports exhaust adds more fun though. 380ish horsepower is plenty to go fast.
Agree completely with the sentiment of the review, I never really got porche's I could never figure out why they were so popular as they aren't super exotic looking in the way that Aston/Lambos/Mclarens/Ferraris are, Id even say a 40k M4 looks nicer to the average person than a 997 911. Then i drove a 987.2 Gen Cayman and it all made sense...
I love that it's a serious sports car but is (reasonably) discreet and practical - I can't think of another car with similar performance and driving pleasure that doesn't shout "look at me!"; nor one that has a usable back seat (at least for kids). I may love the way a Ferrari 360 or 430 looks, but I'd never be able to drive it anywhere.
@@speedcanada1 I’d happily drive one of the above I just wouldn’t want to park it anywhere!
@@stu4181 Haha, I would definitely enjoy driving something exotic if I was only going for a "drive", but to own? I need to be able to use the car. The only other cars that come close in "flying under the radar" and being somewhat practical are the Jaguar F-Type and the Audi R8. But both are showier, and neither have a back seat! :)
@@speedcanada1 maybe things are different in Canada, but I don’t think many exotic cars are an only car in the U.K., you can’t just park up something nice without a thought of what’s going to happen to it, (so many cars are damaged in car parks by people reversing catching them and just driving off) and people seem to love to key nice cars, I don’t know what % but it’s a vast majority of anything sporty would be a second car here for sure
@@stu4181 I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying and in Canada many if not most 911s would be a second or third car. My point is that to a great extent , 911s can fly under the radar and don’t attract as much negative attention. My personal preference is to be able to drive my cars frequently, and I want to be able to daily drive/commute to work in my sports cars in the summer (even though I have other cars sitting at home). It’s a great way to relax at the end of a long work day. I couldn’t use a Ferrari or Lamborghini that way, and I definitely couldn’t park one of those anywhere! That’s the advantage of a sub-exotic car.
Got my 997.2 GTS up for sale but watching content like this makes me just want to keep it and drive it for a few more years!
DON'T DO IT. Actually, given your comment was 8 months ago... hope you didn't do it!
The price on these cars, at least in the US, have been rising steadily over the past year to the point where it’s gotten crazy! Try finding a C4S or even a C2S for $30-$40k-unless it has a ton of miles. And finding either one in a manual is not easy either! They are brilliant cars.
997.2 is definitely the best modern 911, and imo the best generation of 911. It’s like the last of the analogue 911 while still being liveable
10:30: comments about M3 bragging vs 911 driving bang on! Great review, nails the essence of this car. I'm looking for a 997.2 C2S manual.
Great vid, loving another instalment of 911 week. I have recently purchased a 911 997 Carrera 4s in meteor grey metallic, it’s my everyday driver. Getting into my car and closing the door is like receiving a warm reassuring hug, cabin feels like it was tailored around me.
Thanks for your incite
Regards
Mark,
Brilliant review and spot on about the 996 and 997 generations being a sweet spot I prefer them to the 991s and 992s which have got a bit too big and too electroinc they feel less raw and engaging to drive despite being technically better in every way, give me a 996 or a 997 over a 991 anyday (especially the 996 Gt3rs or the 997 GT3 4.0)
This also is my favorite 911. The problem with Porsch are the running costs, especially if you want to go to the track sometimes. Just look what a decent set of tires, brakes, exhaust costs. Because of that I bought a lotus exige. I also like the more raw feeling.
I have owned a nice 993 for many years and still wonder if I would enjoy these cars as well while benefiting from the obvious additional benefits of the newer car. Some say nothing can top the 993 for driving involvement and pleasure. Do you prefer this?
Hi…I have a 997.2 manual which I’ve lowered to euro specs and it is fantastic as a weekend car but not as a daily due to feeling every bump on the road once lowered. On a positive note…I didn’t know handling would be even more perfected once lowered, I honestly initially did it for aesthetic purposes but I love it more now than ever. On a different note you could relate to, I have a buddy with a 993 but unfortunately a tiptronic with no upgrades in exhaust , purely stock and quite honestly not thrilling at all except for looks and that nice ping when door shuts. I’m sure with a manual totally a different story. Honestly before I lowered mine and upgraded all 3 exhaust, it was only thrilling after 4k rpm when you feel and hear that flat 6. I would love to drive a 993 manual and experience that analog drive👍🏼. I loved the cornering and adequate speed before my upgrades but simply in love with my car even more in a lusty kinda of way…it’s like going to a pretty wife to a dangerous gorgeous stripper as a girlfriend 🤣. Enjoy your 911!😍
@@warrena8990 Thanks for your comments!
The best modern 911 is like saying the best modern Model T. Except the Model T wasn't cancelled for dangerous dog turd handling.
In Germany decent 997.2 are still about 50 pounds.
And thats like 55k euros.
My absolute favorite 911 rendition by far. I’ll never part with mine.
I've never been a Porsche fanatic, but like most people I've always respected the 911, I've just found all the different models confusing, and the mainstream car media's obsession with track-derived 911s totally irrelevant to me; this seems like the ideal purchase.
That's why I watch this channel, you see cars portrayed that are suitable for real life needs, I don't particularly want a 911 that is 3.whatever seconds to 60, and almost any car can comfortably outrun the motorway speed limits without even trying.
My most enjoyable time spent driving was many moons ago chasing around the country roads of North Essex with my friend looking for obscure pubs, he in a Triumph Dolomite Sprint,, which he drove extremely quickly, and me trying to catch-up in an Audi 80; if you had the misfortune to be stopped by a policeman, an absolute rarity, you'd probably find him later drinking in the local pub.
Country B-Roads are the last haven for those of us who just enjoy driving.
Love my manual 997.2 C2!
Peak modern 911 (not GT series) is surely a 997.1 with the engine sorted! (I'm biased!) 😂
Yes the 996 and 997.1’s only between 2-5% of them had the IMS bearing failure. It is really not as bad as some people say. Unless you are in the 2-5% that is lol. But it did not happen often. Often would be 15% or more. And as far as boredom scoring if you bought the car new and really took care of it and changed your oil every 3-4000 miles and used high quality synthetic oils like the Mobil 1 that Porsche wants you to use or like Redline or Motul oils which are even better than Mobil 1, in my opinion, and you get the car serviced and didn’t just dog it out the chances of bore scoring or IMS failure is minimal at best. Yea I know that all the new synthetic oils that say you can go 5 or 10 or even 15,000 miles on it is ludicrous. If you want the car to break then yea only change your oil after 15,000 miles. If I’m using Mobil 1 synthetic full synthetic I’m changing my oil every from 3-4000 miles. Even if I use the more expensive Redline or Motul then I may push it to 4500-5000 miles but not over 5000. And Redline and Motul are among the best lubricants on planet Earth. They say Redline is still ok after 10,000 miles. Yes I’ll still change mine from 3000-5000 miles. Under no circumstances would I EVER go over 5000 miles no matter what oil I’m using. I’m fairly brand loyal so I will try to use the same thing in it everytime I change it. If I bought a new Porsche I would use the Mobil 1 that they use because It would be under warranty and I’m taking it to the dealership to get changed and they like the Mobil 1 and I’m cool with that too but I don’t now how often they want you to come in for an oil change on a new Porsche 911 the 992 generation but I’m coming in around 3-4 thousand miles for mine. I’m pretty sure they would say you can got at least 5000 miles on it I’m not. If I have to pay extra that’s fine but you are changing my oil and oil filter every 3-4000 miles and the air filter every 9-12000 miles or every third time.
Yes my absolute Favorite Porsche is the 997 generation. It is such a beautiful car!its not too big like the 992 has become and it’s not too small like the 964 and 993 was. It is perfect size and perfect amount of power. My dream car is a red Porsche 911, 997.2 Carrera 2S. Rather a 2012 or 2013 the last year of the car. And if not that then a 997.2 turbo OR a Carrera 4S.
I dont know wether to laugh or cry. Im in the market for one of these right now, so your review is great info but i fear more owners will either keep them or want more £ now.
Damm you
Sorry Gareth :(
Good review and I'm currently thinking of purchasing a Porsche tried m6 v10 and Rs6 having rode Hayabusa's own a Tesla great performance etc will i be disappointed??
Anyone considering a 997, please research the bore scoring problems. Unless you're going turbo or gt3. It really turned me off the 997. Just my 2 cents.
But that only applies to the 997.1, the 997.2 engine is bullet proof, my 997.2 C2 has got just over 100k on the clock with no problems at all.
I had a 997.1 in period, drove it up to 46, 000 miles with absolutely no problems. There is a 997.1 here in my town with 125,000 miles and has had no bore score or IMS issues. The Internet has a way of regurgating the same story over and over which creates the perception of a much bigger and more common problem. Like all older sports cars they should be purchased with some caution but I would not let that particular issue be the the reason not to purchase.
Still the best car I ever owned and regret selling it.
I believe less then 5% of 997.1 had that issue.
Regular maintenance and not flooring it when hot after a prolonged stopped period will prevent the dreaded bore scoring. Low temp thermostat is another good mod and the 3.6 are less prone to bore score. The later cars the ims was sorted and there are no recorded cases of a 07/08 tip ims failing. The 997.1 is basically all the joys of a 996 with in my opinion better looks, interior and a louder exhaust note than the 997.2.
All good replies, maybe I've been watching too much on it on TH-cam. Rennvision channel has like a 7 part series on the bore scoring issue if anyone is interested.
@@scottcolpitts8521 if you are worried then just purchase any regular 997.2, they didn't suffer along with 997.1 gt3, gt2, turbo. You won't regret it.
Avoid the boring boggo Carrera, step up to the S as a minimum, and enjoy...
My "dream car", fortunate to have and very happy with my 997.1 C2, but the gen 2 S is simply so much better... surprising the difference and availibility post 2008 economic crash just making them a bit out of my $ range... maybe someday
I used to sell 997 'Gen 2' brand new, best cars ever, but please don't call the "dot2"....sounds like a low grade brake fluid! 😤 lol
Nice review would you say go for the Porsche 911 997 . 2 to avoid the problems Of the 911 997. 1 ? Even though it’s a lot more expensive.?
Good video. Had my 997.2 c2s for 9 years, love it and can't bring myself to drop double the value of the car on a 991. Just not worth the jump.
Going to disagree. 991.1 c4s cab is the daily driver sweet spot (pilot alpin pa4 for the winter and mps4s for the summer)
Iv wanted one ever since I sold my 996 C4S ...still on my list 👍
Finally you hit the nail on the head...but you’re not going to find a good one in the states for the prices you’re talking!
Another fantastic review Jay. I've sold my 944 and don't even want another Porsche but here you've got me shopping and thinking this or Cayman, this or Cayman.
Hello Jay and well done for your videos and for your You Tube success. I also wanted to congratulate you on the 550. In the late 90s, a friend had 2 of them one after the other. We took them to Munich twice. On one of the trips, I did most of the driving there and back as I was trying to break 200mph - at least on the clock - as the car's claimed top speed was 'only' 199 mph. Suffice it to say that I only managed 195 mph but was at 170mph plus for hundreds of kms. It was a long time ago but I recall everything and can tell you all about my experiences if these are of interest/use to you. I have driven many exotic cars. The 550 Maranello is the most epic and wonderful of all of them. The ability of the V12 motor is like an out of body experience at full chat as it the availability of power across the rage! You chose well!
You have to decarbonize the valves every 35000k.
Build up of sooth due to DFI.
Call me crazy
Hi mate, love your chanel, but when speaking just stick to one thing. You speak about something and you suddenly jump to something else and you don't get back to the previous! All over the place, just speak one by one mate
Porsche has software updates for the 997.2 PDK that improves the transmission, especially for in-town driving.
Yes, the updates smooth and soften the shifts... but also slow them down. I understand that the harshness in the PDK was by design, as it was focused on the most performance-efficient shift. But it can be clunky for stop and go, and really tricky for tight maneuvering (like on to ramps or a 4 post lift).
They sound like for lack of a better word shit and the steering in 997.2 is good but not that special. They drive pretty good but so do some other cars. I would never own one except the gt3s.
Perhaps a bit controversial, but I don’t think Porsche styling is very good. The performance is wonderful of course, but the body, not as much.
They stopped looking good after the 993
Until you hit your knee to the seat controls and move into your wife's driving position..
Or is it just Jeremy Clarkson...
Great review James. Now, in the interest of total transparency, I own a 997.2 so this comment will be somewhat biased, but when I was looking to buy a new 911 I tested both the 991 and 997.2. And although I love the 991/981 platform, the thing that sold me on the 997.2 was the size and wheelbase. The 997.2 IMO was the last of the 'sportscar' sized 911's and I just loved the way it changed direction and wriggled around on the road with the hydraulic rack. If I was doing lots of roadtrips I would probably prefer a 991, but for that 6am backroad blast, it's the 997.2 for me!
Love 911 week!❤️ Keep ‘em coming👍🏻 Had a 997.1 C2S in manual. Brilliant car, although lacking PSE. Sold it out of fear of bore score which the M97 3.8 is most in danger of developing out of the whole range of 98-08 MY’s. Unfortunately the 997.2 isn’t flawless either. The steering wheel you mention being super boring to look at, and the sound of the engine is just bland. The 991.1 has a glorious engine note, but steering isn’t the highlight of the 911 range. That’s why I settled on the 991.2 Carrera T, which in manual guise is just an utterly brilliant 911 iteration with modern PCM, digital radio (no FM in Norway), mechanical diff locker, super precise steering with the optional rear wheel steer making it agile and nimble in compliance with its 20mm lowered S-PASM and wider 245/305 tires. Those who claim boosting the engine ruined the 911 haven’t tried a manual Carrera T. It’s raucous! And being considered a GT car, Porsche fitted the sport chrono with the track connect as standard which makes it awesome when you hook up your phone to the car on track days🥇
Nord Mann easy things to remedy...
Donald Schlack some of it yes for sure, but I’m an OEM type of Porsche owner, although I did outlaw my first one, a 964 C4 and then had a tricked out 996.2GT3 CS🤔
I agree 100%..The manual shift in the Carrera T is noticeably better, certainly compared with that in a regular 991.2. I had a T as a loaner for three weeks last year and it was just that bit more engaging to drive than a regular 991.2. I have a 991.2 C2S with PDK, initially specced the manual , but after the Porsche experience day at Silverstone I wasn't impressed with the quality of the manual shift, hence I went for PDK. The sound of the older 997 and 991.1 are unquestionably better and also because you hear them more of the time, due to the relative lack in torque compared with the new turbo charged 991.2 etc.. but.. my C2S 991.2 with standard exhaust.. I have to say, makes a purer more sonorous (though quieter) sound than when fitted with PSE (personal opinion). Nick Murray's exhaust note comparison test is by far the best test on TH-cam. I get why people have favourites, and each model has its own merits over another model. The new 992 for example makes my 991.2 feel positively analogue by comparison. Personally I think the 991.2 has the most resolved styling of any modern 911 this side of a 964. If I was to look for another older 911, it would be a 964.. 997 to me looks too bland. Nobody is wrong of course, it all comes down to personal preference. Apparently the manual shift quality in the 992 is another step up... aahh.. there is another reason to visit the showroom!
Very very tempted
Great review
"Stuttgartian truffle pig" 😂😂😂🤣🤣👍
ドイツ車の右ハンドルってどうなんですか？イギリスの方はどう思ってます？？
ペダル位置がおかしいと日本ではあまり受け入れられていません。
Loved my early 987S, would love a go in a 997.2S. Thank you so much for keeping this brilliant car on my radar James!
Yep, you're spot on right. Get a good one while you still can...
Nicee
Good video as always Jay. Especially helpful for me as I’m strongly debating one of these to replace my M235i!