Film Theory has fallen
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Film Theory has fallen, Millions must watch Style Theory
"Here's why he's wrong about TH-cam making people's attention spans shorter and thusly making them depressed" *speeds up the clip for audience retention*
It was mostly for fear of copyright, and I already said what he says, I just wanted to provide more solid evidence without forcing the viewer to go verify that I'm not straw manning. Also I mentioned nothing about attention spans, and he didn't either, so talk about straw manning :3
@@solarpelletsyeah right, totally totally
as an autistic, (undiagnosed, but everyone tells, including therapists me I have it adhd), gay, trans girl, after taking a literal 5 day break from youtube especially, but also trying to avoid on demand entertainment in general, and I got happier. My attention span quadrupled. I stopped feeling lonely, I stopped feeling depressed. (I mean depressed the feeling, not depressed the mental condition) I didn't use the internet to communicate. I used it to watch stupid clip compilations and play video games. IDK about the actual Film Theory vid, I haven't watched it, but this video is wrong at least to me, which reminds me
I'm just a dumbass autistic kid, this is NOT gonna be everyone's experience
I think you misunderstood the video as a whole. I'm not saying having on demand entertainment is objectively good, though in most circumstances it is, I'm saying it's not causing people to *be* lonely. That was the entire basis of the film theory video, he said on demand entertainment was making people lonely. Not feel lonely, not decreasing attention spans, he was saying it was causing loneliness, which is objectively wrong.
@@solarpellets gotcha. 👍
Really, through this video i heard more of opinion based arguments. I found it hard to understand your points and i still think Mat's video was pretty solid
Literally not a single thing I said against the Film Theory video was an opinion. The statistics they share aren't backed up by any studies whatsoever, a lot of them are outright wrong, the reasons they cite for the specific problems they bring up are objectively wrong, nothing was an opinion.
This is such a joke its just an opinion. if you don't like the opinion just ignore it :/
not an insult but if you hate it just pretend it doesn't exist :)
There's very much a difference between fact and opinion. When a channel touts what they say as facts, backed up by studies, causing certain undeniable effects, it's not an opinion. Every complaint I have with the video has nothing to do with opinion. It's not that they "feel like it makes more sense this way," it's that they say "the statistics say this and that means this," when their statistics are completely wrong, and their conclusion is wrong as a result. Even if it is an opinion, if you could somehow describe as that, it doesn't make it sacred and it still deserves the scrutiny. When someone's opinion is objectively harmful, it deserves to be scrutinized and criticized.
It's called a theory, not a fact. Just because you don't get it doesn't doesn't negate it's Validity. But do try again. I rather enjoyed the format of your videos. 👍
I don't know if you watched the video, but I think you missed the point. The theorists are looked up to as a largely trustworthy source for a lot of science topics in general, and when they share incorrect and harmful information, it being "a theory" doesn't protect them. It's definitely not that I didn't "get" it, it's that they were objectively wrong.
@@solarpelletsI don't think people using theory as trustworthy source of science topics is their fault
That's on the people, not the theorists.@@solarpellets
@@BananaHoovyJ.Rabbit It's on the people that the theorists communicate science?
@@solarpellets No, it's on the people for taking Game, Film, Food and Style THEORY, as FACT. It's in the name. They are theorists.
It's the peoples fault for thinking it's fact.
Honestly for a long time now, I only check up on Matpat in a "let's see what he's doing this time" thing. Like I mainly just poke my head into to see what, for lack of a less loaded and mean term, dumb shit he's saying this time.
Can I ask you what brought you to make this video? Based off your initial tone I got some sort of ulterior motive sense that caused me to have prejudice against the majority of the video. I kind of wanted to scrub that thought aside and ask what your purpose was for making it, or if you just got bugged by what Matpat said due to inaccuracies.
Psychology, sociology, and politics are all special interests of mine because of how they intersect with my life, and someone being so blatantly wrong, especially with such a large platform, really bothers me. My only motive in making this video was to tell as many people as possible that he's wrong, since being so wrong about something that directly affects so many people can be extremely harmful.
@@solarpellets Understandable.
1:56 Man I haven't heard that name in ages, I loved that show as a kid.
Bro chill out this is what the game theory vid was tslking about its a THEORY not a this is what i know is happening its a possible explanation
Okay? It was still wrong. A lot of people take these videos at their word, just take the actual fnaf community for an example, a lot of them dislike the game theory videos because people just believe them. Same goes here. A lot of people will just believe the video, and I want to minimize that because they are objectively wrong and if they are believed it will be harmful. This is that complicated.
Film Theory isn’t wrong and hasn’t fallen, they have an opinion just like how you have an opinion
That's not what the word opinion means. They said people are lonelier, that's objectively wrong. People are not lonelier. They said that depression, anxiety, and other similar mental disorders are on the rise because of that loneliness, which is objectively false. It's being caused by economic troubles, primarily. Film theory is flat out wrong, objectively. I don't "think" that they're wrong, or whatever, I have evidence and facts to back up my claims, you can't do that with an opinion.
Economics yes fuckin economics what do they have to do with that? Absolutly nothing do you even hear youreself? Get youre head outside youre ass and do some serios research instead doing what ever shit show this is. And the mental ilnesses are on the rise. Also i will not respond to any bs you will try to tell me or read it.@@solarpellets
There is a clear difference between having a different opinion about a subject and just flat out spreading misinformation for the sake of views. If you claim something as fact you should be able to back it up with scores and legitimate evidence instead of just saying it is true without giving any proof for its legitimacy.
idk about the "end of an era" part, but i mostly agree with everything else
"end of an era for me," I was just making it clear that I loved the channels prior to this, but now I can't really watch them without inherent distrust. I'm sure, from an unbiased point of view, there's nothing different before and after this video.
I have not watched a single film theory video but I believe that may kinda missed the mark there lol even if that wasn’t a script he wrote
I dont understand how TH-cam and the internet make you more lonely. Like irl maybe noone around you likes what you likes but on the internet people do like what you like and than you can talk and shit that like makes you un lonely right?
I guess that depends on my personal view. Before I would say I was pretty lonely even though I had plenty of internet friends, but now when I have other friends irl I would say I am less lonely.
(I hope you understand what I wrote :/ )
I can never understand what he's saying.
well made video but you are only saying opinions here too. The fact that people do become less lonely/anxious/depressed when taking breaks from the internet is literal proof that youtube can cause you to feel or be lonely. You might feel different about that, but there is science to back up that continued internet usage can cause you to be significantly less social and, in turn, lonely. (just search for it in the american medical association, or there are plenty of psych studies that i have had to do reports on that discuss this topic). yes you can find friends online but just because you might have a lot of luck with that, doesn't mean everyone will. the stuff at 8:00, there is nothing wrong with mats statement. Knowing stuff about niche topics can bring you closer to people and then on top of that you made it out to seem he was saying you can only be in one group, and unless i missed that when i watched the video, he didnt say that. What he was implying with the clip you played was that when you just know so much stuff it can make it harder to connect which sounds wrong. but think about it like this: i like anime, i can connect with people who like anime. but if i narrow that down to I love this anime and hate another anime, all of a sudden it is harder to connect to the group of "i love anime" because the group that loves the anime i hate, will not want to talk to me, thats just how i see it and we can agree to disagree! i can see how you could disagree with mats video, but to clickbait it with "disgustingly wrong" is... disgustingly wrong. (its not really that terrible of a thing, people use awful clickbait of trashing good youtubers to grow theit small channels all the time lol)
You missed the point of the video. I never said youtube can't make people depressed or whatever, I said that disjointed media doesn't make people more lonely. I said that people aren't lonelier than ever, since that's the entire point of the film theory video, therefore the film theory video is wrong. Not a single thing I said against the film theory video was an opinion. The Film Theory video is objectively wrong, and if people agree with the video, it will objectively cause harm, therefore it is disgustingly wrong. I don't understand how you can timestamp the video, and still strawman me. You clearly watched the video but you aren't arguing against a point that I made.
@@solarpelletsyou saying that people aren’t lonelier than ever doesn’t mean that it’s true. I wasn’t strawmanning I was refuting the point you made in that clip. Clearly the majority of people disagree with you
@@repayer111-yf2nn it's not me saying it, it's a bunch of surveys and meta analyses and books and articles, including the exact source the film theory video uses.
@@solarpellets loneliness rates are higher than ever 😭💀
@@repayer111-yf2nn what's your source? I have two studies, the article the film theory video used, and a book referenced in the description, and they say the exact opposite.
I’m sorry your getting so much hate from this. While I might not agree with every point, I do overall think it’s well put together. I’m really sorry people keep misgendering you, it’s beyond low hanging fruit and is just plain disrespectful.
Thank you, I appreciate the civility, it's annoying, but I think getting the information out there is important. What parts don't you agree with, out of curiosity?
@@solarpelletsIt was the point about the breaking bad finale. Sorry, I spaced out during it and misunderstood it to be a point about attention spans (ironic). After rewatch though, all your points are solid and I agree with all of them.
Dang dude film theory fell off and they still getting more views then you?
I didn't say they "fell off," I said they have "fallen [as a source of information]"
That said, meritocracy isn't real, and view count doesn't mean much for "correctness"
they literally just made a video of cocomelon 💀
all i heard was a dude getting views thru ragebait
sounds to me like you're mad because a TH-cam channel you like was wrong :3
maybe you should actually watch the video
shut up with that :3 face@@solarpellets
Idk what everyone else is on about. This video made perfect sense to me.
I randomly saw this vid in my feed. You speak very well, so I watched the whole vid.
1.) Genuinely, why do you care? I think taking a MATPAT video so seriously is just silly. There is no "end of an era".
2.) Get off social media (yes actually. in full).
3.) Don't wear your personal struggles on your wrist.
1. It matters because he is a source of information, people listen to him and take him at his word, just because you don't doesn't mean no one does. The media I consume matters to me because I actually care about all aspects of my life.
2. Nah
3. I'm not a coward :3
good points all around, as an autistic adhd mentally ill disabled trans guy there are so many sources to my historical loneliness and the rest of everything I struggle with, and my ability to find potential friends within niche communities is honestly better than it ever has been
the thing about the film theory video too is like - you CAN make a video about the ways in which the modern internet has new capacities to hurt or otherwise screw with people. you can talk about how algorithms inadvertently adopt human biases, how different cultures like diet culture being easily accessible or the overconsumption of make up being further normalized have effects on younger people than ever, you can talk about how apps like tiktok work to rage bait people into engagement because that's easier to do than to support genuinely good content
there is SO MUCH you could critique about the modern internet, I don't see why "a more complex and diverse pool of cultures to engage with" was something they decided to tackle
(he says, well aware that it's likely because it's easy to write a relatively shallow video with minimal research on the topic while avoiding any seriously political tones)
Personally, I tend to steer clear of critiques of things as broad as the Internet as a whole, simply because legislation is arguably harder than real life for the anonymity it affords, and I'm not smart enough to know if a specific critique is sound because of that. Don't get me wrong, it's something I want to understand and talk about, I just have no idea how lol
holy shit that a lot of words, maybe consider mcnutting yourself?
All sitting watching youtube does is make many of the issues with adhd and autism worse
@@joethebab This is objectively false, TH-cam allows for those with hyperactive ADHD to have something to focus on to finish monotonous tasks, and in my case it allows me to indulge in my hyperfixations and special interests in a way I couldn't otherwise, which very much helps with a lot of different things.
youtube isn't the reason i'm lonely and depressed. it's because my christian parents didn't want me hanging around people they didn't like and they were overall abusive as well. as such, now living on my own, i'm introverted probably more than i would be otherwise because i have so little knowledge of social cues as well as how the world around me works. which to that point, i was put through christian home schooling, which only made all of that worse. being trans and not straight, i also put up with MORE shit from my family as well, and i'm even scared to be myself in public. but yeah matpat, let's just blame youtube. though to be fair, youtube's algorithm DOES tend to push right wing stuff for whatever reason, so while it may not be the root cause, it's certainly doing some harm in that regard.
good video, honestly. as for me continuing to follow matpat, i'll be honest, i just follow him for his fnaf theories at this point. idk if he's ever been all that good as a science communicator.
tldr?
@@bradeezelbubI would disagree, first off you misgendered her. Second and most importantly, she’s not saying that film theory is a bad channel, just this video was not as well thought out.
@@bradeezelbub1:13 “I am a mentally ill trans woman”, dude I have a pretty strong feeling you didn’t watch the video. She has pretty good points in her video regarding the internet and how it actually makes us feel.
1: misgendering someone does not mean your opinion is by any means wrong
2:"""she""" throughout the entire video talks about how much film theory sucks
I said film theory was wrong, not bad, but also, misgendering me was used as evidence for them not watching the video, not making their... "Argument" wrong. That said, if you misgender someone, chances are you're wrong about pretty much everything anyway
@@solarpellets so lete get this straight, if I make the best argument in human history, but I say "he" and not "her, I'm wrong? How chronically online do you have to be for that to happen
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ok sonic fan with poor audio quality
I think that's just your headphones, tbh
oh my god bruh who invited this kid. DOWNVOTED!