DF64V Coffee Grinder Review: Lessons Learned... Game Changed?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- The DF64 returns to set the record straight on single-dose grinders with its new DF64V.
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“If you drink coffee like a normal person” that definition is so damn fitting 😅
Lol. I guess many of us aren't!
@@coffeechronicler while most of the (few) people I share my coffee endeavors with are really happy about all of the mambo jambo around it, one or two are often like “Can we just drink coffee like normal people without arguing about water chemistry?!” XD
Spot on
Quote of the year in coffee equipment reviewer sphere. 👍
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All the grinder reviews are amazing !! Thanks.
One recommendation, when turn on the grinder, reduce to Zero the volume of the background music in order to hear the noise produce from each machine.
Thanks again
what would be cool is if they made the wooden platform into some sort of mini scale that you can place a portafilter on as well
I really love how Asser casually says "If you're drinking coffee like a normal person...", proving he's well aware we don't drink coffee like normal people, but absolute maniacs. It's always nice when a guy knows his audience. 👍😂
I've had the DF64 for almost 2 years and to get a half decent pour-over, I have this routine where I clean it out of all left-over fines from espresso, using my Dyson. I then grind 5-6 beans on the course setting & discard before grinding my dose and NOT using the bellows. If I don't do this, then there is too much over extracted astringency in the cup. Even then it's not that great. Needless to say I'm looking forward to getting my Timemore 064S, when they ship.
Did you modify the declumper or install a new one (there should be various guides online or on TH-cam) You should be able to get some quite decent results with the mods, even with the stock burrs.
First of all, thanks for your review. Very interesting and detailed. I have a DF64 gen 1 with SSP MP and I've been eyeing the DF64V for the variable rpm and the compact size but I don't really know if I'll notice any difference in the flavour of the coffee. ¿What's your opinion?
Sometimes i got jammed in 600 rpm. So how i should put 20g coffee beans without jamming at 600 rpm?
I also discovered the dosing cup works as a portafilter holder. Not sure if it works for all but I have the Lelit Bianca portafilter with a VST 16 g basket.
This wouldn't be a review coming from a Dane without mentioning some subtle design inconsistencies. Love it ❤😅 And thank you 🫶🏻
Thanks! I'm not even that picky, lol. The old DF64 was an eye sore, but I'd be able to live with this.
I'm looking into a flat burr grinder to accompany my Niche Zero. I like the niche for the work flow and nice thick espressos, but feel I'm missing out on the clarity, sweetness, etc. in lighter roasts. Would you recommend the DF64v or is there another flat burr grinder you'd have in mind?
It's excellent but you might want to wait and check the upgraded facelift version of the basic DF64 coming out soon. Looks very promising.
Very nice review. Like you pointed out, the df64v still has some questionable design decisions, but still; what an improvement. The original df64 was ugly in a way that was hard to ignore, and I think that disqualified it for a lot of people. Now it’s more reminiscent of a smaller Lagom P64 (one could argue too similar…) which is much more pleasing to look at.
Also, would like to second the comments pointing out the audio. Definitely no background noise but it just sounded too processed and it was like you recorded the audio in a swimming pool.
Love the review as always, but if possible, I would advise you to get a better microphone. This one does some very weird and unsettling clipping on your voice and did not let almost any of the sound for the grinder go through, which is quite important in a review (if you ask me).
Sorry about that. It's not the mic, but rather the audio software I used to remove background noise that is causing the compressed sound. Hopefully I can make it better next time.
@@coffeechronicler Understood, thank you again!
On the topic of the grinder: I love the looks of it and the magnetic chute is great. The only thing I really don't like is the font for the RPM light :)
Great review! Received my machine a few days ago... and besides some weird chirrping sounds (not from the burrs) when adjusting the grindsize and the lack of being able to turn of "the light" i´m really happy with the machine so far. i still struggle a bit to find the right ranges for different brewing styles and wanted to ask if you plan to add the grinder to your grind size chart. cheers
Thanks! Yes, I can add the grinder to the database. Always forget to add new ones, lol. FYI I grind espresso around setting 14-20 and drip coffee around 50-60.
Great video! I always struggle from grinder to grinder. A chart on grind size for reference is super helpful for noobs like me. What would u grind for moka and french press? Thanks in advance
If you want to get rid of the annoying light you just have to use a smartplug with your grinder and set it to auto switch off after 1, 2, 3 minutes or the time you like. Problem solved! 👍
Audio sounds very odd. Idk if its A.I. enhanced but it sounds slightly choppy and thus distracted me. Great video though 👌
I have one shipping 1-2 weeks from now. Was planning to order SSP cast burr's to see if they would be good for combined Filter and Espresso - maybe lower speed for filter and higher for Espresso. But have not seen any test with the cast burr's yet. Any experience with these in the DF64V from your side? Compared to stock burr's
I haven't tried 64V with casts yet, only MP and DLC. But you might be pretty happy with the DLC burrs. They are not quite as enjoyable for filter, but beat 64 cast for espresso if you ask me.
I have the Lab Sweets installed, they fit perfectly, they did required some alignment but nothing crazy. They are way quieter than the DLCs. And yes try 1200rpm for espresso and 600rpm for filter.
Something seems strange with the audio, like heavy compression or low bit rate
I used Adobe Enhance to eliminate some background noise, but unfortunately, it made it a bit tinny. Hope it's tolerable.
@@coffeechronicler thanks for clarifying!
How is it compared to the Fellow ode gen 2? In Europe, it costs 470€, while I found the 64V for pre-order for 590€.
Ode is just a filter grinder, whereas this is truly multipurpose. So for that small price difference, it's worth it if you want to do espresso.
Thanks for the video. I got my DF64V a few weeks back but haven’t had the time to play with it much yet. I also noticed that the RPM dial is ALWAYS illuminated. I wonder if there is a way to shut that off somehow?
Also- I personally like the wood accents. It’s an aesthetic, but it works for me.
Btw- did you have to season your burrs?
Also- did you test your alignment?
Thanks.
-Brent
I never thought about the always on light when I bought this. I'll probably be unplugging it at the end of the day when I'm done with it
Don't know if users can fix the light, it's definitely above my pay grade but should be easy for the brand to fix. As for the wood accent, I prefer the darker wood on the DF83 lid with the black color.
Burrs were seasoned with around a kilo of beans. I tested alignment with SSP MPs and had a clean wipe on the first try.
All good to hear
If we could open up the machine and identify the dial's light power cable, it should be as simple as cutting it and soldering a resistor in between to dim the light. Maybe one could even drill a hole somewhere and stick out a variable resistor dial to control the luminosity.
But if that's at all difficult to do, maybe I'd just stick/glue a little circle of black paper over the dial to reduce the brightness that seeps through.
Alternatively, just put a power brick with an easily accessible power switch between the grinder and the mains, to make "unplugging" happen with a click.
I’m not personally savvy enough to feel comfortable enough opening this thing up to electrically mod the grinder. But, I like the power brick/power strip on/off switch idea. Simple enough. Prolly smart too in case there were any power surges in the house; avoids frying any electronics on all my machines.
Would you recommend this grinder for a newbie?
Interessed mainly in Espresso and Latte?
Hello, i´ve got this grinder today and my first try was very good but it´s very messy using my portafilter. Maybe i ginded to fine with 10? now i set to 20. Tomorrow i will try again.
Bofore i used a Eureka specialita and its interesting my coffee for first try is a cheep one and it tasted like a expesive one:)
Thank you for your videos!
best regards Ringo
Static can be high with some beans and environments. It's a good idea to add a drop of water or little spray to the beans before grinding. And also grind into the catch cup to minimize mess :) Good luck!
Not sure if it is my device or what, but is your audio off?
It's really hard to listen to with the audio artefacts unfortunately. Not sure if the problem was in the recording or post processing but it's very distracting
@@cichlisuite2 Yeah it was getting annoying. It sounds like a post processing issue, but possibly with the uploaded video, not with what TH-cam transcodes
I used Adobe Enhance to eliminate some background noise, but unfortunately, it made it a bit tinny. Hope it's tolerable.
@@coffeechronicler I was able to look passed it :) great video. This is probably the second video of yours that I’ve seen. You’ve earned a subscriber
@@coffeechronicler I found it very distracting. Perhaps would have preferred some noise instead. Great video none the less.
Out of interest, where are you grinding for pourover on both the df64v and the original df64? Great video.
do you think better to just get the LAGOM P64 justifying 🤔 “last grinder I’ll buy” 😳 ?
Wondering same. Is it buy x2 DF64 gen 2, for example, and put MP burrs in one and leave stock burrs in other to not have to deal with swapping burrs for espresso, filter and light to darker roasts? Or pair a DF83 & DF64 to have larger burr option and plethora of 64mm burrs? Or just buy the Zerno or P64 and leave in a solid burr like the Mizen and call it done with maybe an Ode w/MP or Pietro later for high clarity pour over?
Very interesting review! :)
Have you contacted Turin to see if you have an updated control board? That was supposed to help with the stalling.
Thank you so much for your review. Do you know if your unit has the new control board? It's supposed to help with those stalling issues some people complain about. Thanks again. 👋
My version has the old board.
@@coffeechronicler Thank you so much for your answer! Love your channel, by the way. 😊👋
In some Videos the DF64V sounds so loud. But in your video it’s so quiet and a lot of folks say that it’s such a quiet grinder. So… is it quiet?
Quieter than a Eureka Speciality or the Sculpture? 🤷🏼
It's extremely quiet, similar to Specialita and Sculptor. But I used a noise reduction effect on the sound so that might give a slightly wrong impression.
The taste test, were both with the stock burrs?
If I buy SSP Multipurpose, or Cast Labs Sweets, would a "better grinder" like Zerno or Lagom P64, help the better burrs taste even better?
Yes, both stock. P64 would be like this since both have variable speed and similar burr chambers. Zerno might be different due to a different feeding mechanism but just speculation.
Before watching your video, I just brewed Floripondio (from doubleshot roastery) and now you brew it as well 😂
It's delicious. Just had a cup with cast burrs, and it's like drinking some fancy dessert :)
Hi, thanks for the video.
Would you recommend a commandante c40 user upgrade to a DF64v?
Thanks 🙏🙏
Yes, definitely!
Have you had any issues with stalling?
Mine has a new board and cant do pourover @600rpm
Hey! Great video as usual. I have the ode with 1.1 burrs. I also purchased the SSP cast burrs. The cast burrs produce way more fines than I was expecting. Would the new ds64 be an upgrade. I only brew pour over.
Try the ode gen 2 burrs. I have the cast burrs and agree about the fines comment. It has improved over time with usage though.
The SSP Cast took 6 months for me to settle, and now they are a lot better. The DLC burrs are more forgiving out of the box and better for espresso, but they don't quite have that same layering and sweet complexity at drip that you can get with Cast.
@@coffeechronicler that's good to hear! I'm 4 months in and it's a better than new but damn. Way more fines than commandante and 1.1s! Thank you!
How is the tolerances and alignment ?
how sthe filter compare to the df64v?
I found that going coarser than setting 70, the dial gets loose and it seems it could shift settings during grinding if you go over setting 85. Did this happen to you?
I usually never grind that coarse, so never experienced something like that.
I contacted Miicoffee, they were very helpful, the issue was on the wave spring, I bent it more and now it's perfect!!!
Hello, just to clarify, does it make more mess or less mess than the regular df64?
The chute is closer to the cup, so by default, it's less messy. Also less plastic to create static.
are you using 83mm cast for both brew and espresso? enjoying them both?
Yes to both. Got the redspeed version. Brew is quite similar to 64, but espresso is a big upgrade.
@@coffeechronicler have you had chance to use 83mm HU burr? wondering if 83mm HU (guess really SSP espresso burr) is similar to 64mm MP but with more body & balance and little less clarity. hear burr geometry & alignment matters more than burr size but wonder if overall 83mm like DF83 is worth it vs 64mm for light and medium-medium dark roasts for 'great' espresso and 'good' filter [since could use Ode gen 2 or MP for more clarity filter]? 83mm has more surface than 64mm but not like jump to 80mm etc.. Thank you
I have the new D64V, and using setting ~11 for espresso. Would someone recommend to me starting setting for pour-over and starting setting for drip?
I've had great results on setting 50-60 with RPM set to 800
Torn between this and the df83. My first grinder, can you recommend one for mostly espresso and milk based drinks
I would lean toward this one, then. The DF83 is huge and the workflow is not as nice.
Is it possible to make consistent espresso with light roasts with this grinder?
hey guys i just got my df64v what setting would be the best you think for espresso? for example 87?
Uusally around 10-20 is a good place to start
Although having smaller Burrs, how does it compare to the 078s (considering the nearer price point then the 064s)?
I only tested the 64s and can't speak for the 078s. But I liked the DLC burrs more for both espresso and filter. It sacrifices body for clarity, but in a good way.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks
Unlucky tomorrow I will get my df64.
So maybe df64 versions lol. Not a clue what one's even the latest at this point and wanting to buy my first home coffee grinder 🙈
Please compare it with 078S
they delaying shipping to make changes to the control board and fix stalling :)
It's worth the wait if we're talking a few weeks/months.
DLC is short for diamond-like coating
So, you don't need to say DLC coating. Cause it would mean diamond-like coating coating
Just say "these burrs have a DLC" and ur good