SSP burrs revisited: Why I changed my mind
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This is a great video. Not only provided information about better SSP option for pourover, but also it showed that getting astringent coffee is not just about the ground being too fine but the characteristic of the burr. Excellent insights and good work challenging the experts common opinion about MP burrs.
Thanks for the kind words :)
*Article + ranking of other SSP burrs here* coffeechronicler.com/ssp-burrs-explained/
The MPs are my choice for espresso. I have been using them for a couple of years of different grinders, and love the clarity and fruitiness that I can get from them.
Do you find those taste notes are at the loss of texture and mouthfeel? Have you compared them to SSP HU burrs for espresso?
@@sAmiZZle82 definitely less texture compared to HU and way less mouthfeel compared to any conical burr set. But that the point, what are you trying to get? For me clarity and the clear fruit notes is the goal. But if you are looking for something to get a more creamy, more full bodied mouthfeel, then MPs are not good.
Can you give me some advice on my SSP mp’s. I’ve had them for about a year. Pull my shot in about 17-21 seconds 18g->46g. My shots taste overwhelming and not as fruity as I’d like. Thanks!
@@hagertyfootball12 honestly depends on what coffee you are using. I usually use light roast Colombia or Ethiopia, for me the sweet spot is on a 19g dose, 41-42g out in around 30 seconds from first drop. For some coffees I grind finer and do a long preinfusion by playing with the flow. Total of 50-55 seconds including preinfusion usually brings interesting notes on specific coffees. But again, very dependent on your coffee.
Would you briefly compare the respective profiles of 64mm Brew v1 to 64mm Cast v2?
I feel that this mirrors my experience with the SSP MP burrs quite similarly. I bought them for my Ode Gen 2 partly because of the hype. Whilst I can say that I have had some good cups from them, there has always been a lingering astringency and feeling that my cups were lacking that special something. I don’t reckon that the SSP burrs are entirely to blame - the Ode has terrible alignment and I feel cheated of my money if I need to spend 4 hours aligning it.
But regardless, I’ve never felt happy with with the SSP + Ode combo that so many on reddit push for. I’ve gone back to hand grinding with my comandante and my god, what a much better experience and tasting cup.
Hey Asser. Did you happen to have any difficulties doing a marker alignment on the Brew burrs? I just got some (thank you for the rec), but I'm finding that dry erase doesn't really wipe off these burrs when they "chirp." It's like the small finishing teeth don't allow enough contact to facilitate a wipe.
I'm new to flat burrs and the set I got are silver knight coated, so there are some extra variables at play. Any advice would be incredibly appreciated.
Interesting. My favourite 83mm burrs right now are Cast burrs, both for espresso and pour overs but now I’m thinking, maybe I should get brew burrs as well. Thx for the video!
Hi Jack, good to see you here! I also love those burrs, but think Brew 64 is the ideal pairing with them. Then you can basically do everything a modern coffee lover would want to do.
Buy my 83mm ones :)
@@joelraivid5581 I’m definitely intrigued by them for sure.
Hi, I'm kinda lost in the different aliases of the different ssp burrs.
Am I wrong, or since 4 months you made this video, the brew burrs new version you mentinoned : I think the red speed, are not available anymore ?
Or are these the same model as the cast/lab sweet red speed ones, thus being the new brew burrs ?
2nd question : I just bought the Timemore S3 for filter, but am considering upgrading it in a few months a complenting it so I can choose a grinder to fit to accentuate acidity in highly processed coffees, would the MP more suitable for this ? So I get the S3 more for accentuating sweetness and balance ? Is that correct, for you who have tried the S3 ?
Even maybe blend the 2 grinders in one brew...
I also switched back to my old comandante for filter coffee after trying to like SSP MP for 3 months.
I’ve been loving the lab sweet v3 for espresso. Still hand grinding for pourover.
Oh ho? They brought the v1 brew burrs back? But where did you manage to get your hands on one?
I have the 64mm ssp mp in my SJ for the last 6 months and I have literally not used my comandante since. I think they produce clean flawless pourmovers. I much prefer them to the zp6 I have at work also.
I did not want to invest in a new grinder at this time, have the 58mm Mazzer mini-timer. So I bought the SSP Red Speed 58mm "brew burrs," which I was told is the same as the 64mm MP burrs. There are no fines, the grind is uniform. I set my Linea Micra to 7 Bar and yes, it is a very tedious process to get the flow right, but light roasts are spot on. Also, slow feeding the burrs results in up to a 8 second faster extraction time! This is why upgrading to a grinder with an auger takes care of that problem!
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I have the Fellow Ode grinder with MP SSP burrs, and I've been wanting to get rid of it because I can never get my cup of coffee to taste as sweet as the first sip I take after a good brew. It always ends up tasting astringent, and I try adjusting variables like grind size, water temp, brew recipe, and nothing seems to work. It's a good thing I didn't sell my Comandante hand grinder after buying the Fellow Ode, as I've been using that grinder for my daily brews and the Ode is just collecting dust on my kitchen counter.
I definitely don’t totally regret buying the SSP MP burrs for my DF64, but when I’m making filter coffee, I often grab an 1Zpresso Q2 off the shelf almost instinctively. I wasn’t sure why, but it’s probably just how much less of a razor’s edge I was always on between something really good vs bitter and bland.
Understand where you're coming from. Q2 is so forgiving in comparison.
I really enjoy Q2 and C40 for filter, not so much the SSP MP. However I love the MP for espresso
I get that sentiment
Whenever i go abroad or know that a new work place doesn't have any coffee that fits my taste, i just show up with my aeropress and Q2.
It's always been a very nice balanced brew no matter the beans and roast
I have the fellow ode 1 with mp ssp burrs and I totally am with you . ALll the time I was quiete dissapointed and preffered my brews with the zp6. I was really thinking to switch them . What would you recommend for me ? I only use the fellow for filter coffee and I mostly drinkt washed/natural ethiopians and washed kenian coffee. Woudl you buy the Ode Gen2, the cast lab sweet silver coated or the one mentioned in this video?
Nice video, thanks for bringing your insight about these burrs.
I'm about to pull the trigger for a DF83V, mainly for espresso since I already have a 1zpresso ZP6 Special for pour overs.
I still can't decide which burr option to get between the DLC Espresso, and all SSP burrs. At least I can probably keep away the MP now, but I couldn't really find any comparison between the HU and the Lab Sweet Cast notably.
Thanks! I have recently done some side by side tastings with 83 HU and Cast. 83 HU is quite modern and clean with a long acidic aftertaste (nice, though) and Cast combines a unique texture with slightly less acidity and medium body.
Love my SSP MP burrs. They took about 12 pounds of coffee before they were broken in, but my cups are delicious in French press, AeroPress and electric drip. At first they were producing a lot of astringency on almost all settings but that went away and the cups are clean and bright with a nice balance to my palate.
Nice video. I like my MPs on the Ode but it’s true that it’s not forgiving with pour over. Sometimes I feel like I’m dialing in espresso with it. But it’s still a good burr just if you can choose maybe look at options
I don't believe it's especially useful *in general* to compare burrsets at "identical" extraction (i.e. same numbers)
for two extremely similar sets, I can see it being useful, but in the more general case, the sweet spots will end up at wildly different brew parameters (different ratios, tds, ey, times), so forcing burrsets to some arbitrary numbers isn't useful
I can understand that argument and thinking but think it's hard to systematize how a fair comparison would be. Timemore C2 was actually used to win a big coffee competition, but I don't think it's fair to dial it into a taste great at 1:14 and compare to ZP6 at 1:17.
What I argue for is having a standard. Brewing cups randomly on camera (or even worse cupping) without at least ensuring some similarity of extraction yield will just make everybody (including the tester) more confused.
Hmmmm
So if I want a new grinder I might be changing burrs at some point in the future. I see 4 grinders that look promising - The Timemore sculptor 78 - can get with choice of burrs, variable speed , burr size between the other choices and is the least expensive - though at this point I'm willling to pay any of the 4 prices (range $800- $1600 Canadian). The DF83V - advantages - bigger burrs, variable speed, pre breaker, plasma generator, low retention, can choose which burrs come with the machine, ionizer, low retention and relatively low price. The Zerno Z1 - blind burrs, variable speed, changable pre breaker, low retention, and lastly the not quite out yet Mazzer Philos. The Mazzer can swap burrs but that's it - no variable speed and no changeable pre breaker - how much does that matter? The most flexible grinder is the Zerno but the DF83 has the larger burr which should be advantageous in theory, but how much in practice for home use??? And as far a swapping burrs the larger size make that more expensive and there are fewer choices. Any comments are welcome
Both Lebrew (new brand) and SSP will make new burrs in 78 mm size, so the platform is suddenly very appealing. Lebrew also launched more affordable 83 mm burrs.
Of the grinders you mention I only have experience with the 078 and DF83V, but think both are pretty outstanding.
I reached out to Hansung and wanted to let everyone know. If you buy it at espresso tools it’s labeled as “64mm (MP_V1)”. That is the re released brew burr. Just ordered mine and look forward to it!
Thanks for the video! What are your thoughts on augers impacting taste? My Fellow Ode Gen 2 with Brews burrs tasted very differently to my Zerno with brew burrs. I think this is due to the auger - I very much prefer the Zerno. Curious to hear what you think.
The Ode isnt really a precision instrument. The auger I had in mine was poorly made. Just the wobble turning it on and off was telling to me. Very happy with my Zerno.
So which burrs would you recommend for fellow ode, gen 2 or cast burrs? I brew light roasted coffee, Thank you
Hey man I totally understand where you are coming from. I ve been researching a lot of this to get a good grinder. But I didnt want to get a df64 with ssp burrs cause everyone is doing that these days. After searching a lot I did come to conclusion that mazzer grinder with 189D(balanced good espresso like Ssp HU burrs) and 233M (Ssp MP burrs) are going to give me what I need and I wouldnt have to pay that much while I can get a good mazzer grinder and maybe switch it up with 233M burrs. So totally agreeing with you 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Great video as always! Do you know anywhere in the UK that stocks these Gen 1 burrs? I'm struggling to find anywhere!
Thanks! Sorry, no idea in UK. Directly from SSP is an option.
I watched the video, thank you for your assessment. Any reason you choose the coating that you choose?
I already had MP with Redspeed, so wanted to get Brew with the same coating for a fair comparison. But originally, there was no logic to it, it was just about availability.
Don't see much problem using SSP MP burrs for espresso. Best turbo shots out of them. Good ristretto for milk drinks and good brew. I do prefeer 078 for brew though. I use MP in DF64v and prefer them for black coffee. I must say I drink long black not espresso.
I agree with you on the use of the ssp mp burrs; but I do use them for all espresso drinks…even long blacks 😉. I have the 078s and it’s more tamed. I am considering getting the stock brew burrs (078) though for it but I don’t want to go through the seasoning again really. Because I like the roundedness of the 078s I will pull a shot with it especially if I am making a cafe cubano or any drink with sugar. Also it’s quieter in the early morning than the df64 and the ssp lololol 👍🏾👍🏾☕️
Hmmm still trying to make a decision. I have a sculptor 078S with turbo burrs and an ode gen 2 with ssp mp (umv2). I don't particularly love the turbo burrs, they are kinda too tame I guess?! The UMV2 are sometimes a little harsh, and now considering getting the old brew UMV1...
Hm, tough one. Maybe something like Lebrew filter 64 mm would be fun to try as it's a bigger change from the SSP style but still good enough to compete with turbo burrs and brew/UMV1.
@@coffeechroniclerappreciate the advice. I did decide to give the old brew burrs (now called Multipurpose V1) a shot since I found them for a good price. They should be arriving tomorrow. Very excited and hope that they deliver what I hope
Hi Asse, could you point to a location to buy the brew SSP 64mm anywhere in Denmark/EU? I realized the nomenclature is messy enough to have gotten to a point that I feel most websites are highlighly unreliable with what they sell, and I don't want to spend 200 euros to just get the SSP MP which I already have. PS: if you happen to sell your brew burrs, I would definitely buy them (I'm in Copenhagen)
I was always underwhelmed by the 83mm MP burr’s felt like I hadn’t seasoned them enough but they never got better. I then went HU and have never looked back. But also I remember hearing from multiple sources that the red speed coating does negatively effect flavor. Great video as always
👋 Hey may I ask you, do you do filter coffee or espresso? I have seen somewhere people say HU make a more balanced filter coffee than MP. Thanks!
@@nerolimii8691 so funny enough I’ve a 1zpresso K Ultra hand grinder I use for Filter and just leave the 83mm HU for my La Marzocco. So off the top of my head that’s very hard to answer. If I’m being honest I think it’s a lot of technique changes. If I were to use HU which has a bunch of Fines (in a good way for espresso) for Filter coffee I’d want a very low amount of agitation. Tbh I have found Conical Burrs more to my liking for Pour Over coffee as it highlights the fruity and floral notes more than the roasty notes. This will require testing and for me to get back to you, as most days for my pour over I use a melodrip and 5 pours after a 30 second bloom and mostly light roast coffee’s from Tim Wendelboe and Sey
@VinegarAndSaltedFries Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Now I use conical burrs for filter coffee too. I've tried the C40, K-ultra, ZP6, and the electric VS3. None of these grinders grind coffee like the flat burr grinders commonly used in cafes, such as the EK43 or even the Mazzer ZM. I'm not sure why, but I think flat burrs seem to deliver a clearer separation between notes, which I appreciate. The same coffee I brew at home using the exact same recipe is still delicious, but it lacks the separation compared to the cup I had in the cafe. This is the main reason why I'm looking for flat burr grinder for filter coffee.
On the other hand, I don't believe that a more "unimodal" grind distribution makes better coffee. Among all my grinders I really don't like the ZP6, which is known for producing least fines, I ended up selling it because it always gave me transparent but watery coffee with a bit of astringency, not much of vibrant flavors or fruity notes, just wasn't my taste. Instead, I enjoy the EK43 in cafes or other conical burrs I keep at home, which all have a bimodal grind distribution, producing more fines. The brewer's cup champion in my country Erik Liao also talked about how fines are actually the source of rich flavors and add depth to coffee. I can avoid overextraction simply by changing brewing techniques/recipes without worrying about fines. So in conclusion... that's why I'm quite skeptical about the SSP MP which is advertised for a unimodal grind distribution... now I am trying to find out which other ones suits me best😊 (I usually buy Nordic style modern light roast coffee too.)
Not sure I ever noticed astringency with the SSP MP burrs, I did notice that at first with the Option-O Mizen V1 burrs but that went away with just a little bit of seasoning, apparently lab sweet/ cast type burrs have that issue pre-seasoning. I'm assuming SSP MP was used enough to get seasoned? Or maybe the Wilfa does a better job than the 64mm grinder? Different RPM/ Feed rate?
The astringency is not my only complaint, it's the whole finish and linger that's sweeter with brew. Yes, the SSP MP's are from 2021 so they had plenty of use. Note that I had 2 x brew burrs - a 58 mm in the Wilfa AND a 64 mm Brew burr that was used in various grinders.
@@coffeechronicler Ok Cool thanks for the clarification. SSP Brew burr sounds nice. Apparently they have one in 83mm now too :O
I can relate a lot with your impressions, I started using the MP burrs less and less for filter because of this astringency
Have you had pour-over from 80mm HU burrs (note, they are supposedly not similar to the HU in other sizes, instead more brew oriented)? If so, what characteristics do you taste in coffee from them? I have some, and my coffee is always much different after cooling - usually much sweeter and flavorful with noticeable difference from start to finish of a sip whereas when warm-hot the coffee is more uniform and not as sweet normally.
So which is it, Brew burrs or Cast burrs?
Great video as always. Sort of off topic, but why do you replace the v60 with the mugen in the Switch when you do taste testing (which was what I understood was part of your process from this video)?
Convenience and more heat stability with ultra small doses like 8 grams
@@coffeechronicler Ah, got it. Thanks!
@@robertdavis7262 and the Mugen is a one-pour brewer, so that eliminates inconsistencies :)
I got MPs with my p64 a few years back - specifically for light-med roast modern style espresso. Don’t do filter. And my experience with them for that is actually quite similar to what you describe. At first I was wowed, but overtime that faded. I found myself preferring coffee from my lagom mini sometimes.. since then I’ve gotten a Webber key, which after plenty of blind tests can say I definitely prefer to the MPs.. swapped them out to HUs, which I also prefer.. I completely agree with your thoughts from a taste perspective, in my view that’s how the espresso presents - punchy at the front, but it just falls away and often as astringency in the middle to after taste. Using a food analogy, I would say the MPs remind me of a dish you eat and at first you like but you quickly find it overpowering or one element out of balance vs something like the HUs which present a far more balanced cup.
I can agree that the MP really shine specifically with light roast espresso: in particular, with longer ratios and/or less extraction time. I think my manual grinders have delivered some higher quality pour overs; but, now that I am used to the MPs I haven't used something else for filter in months just due to convenience. While light roasted espresso really sings, the MPs can mercilessly expose where quality is relatively lacking (whether of my own doing or not) as if with a microscope. That, or it announces unpleasant flavors as if by megaphone in close quarters. I really enjoy these burrs, but it is true that I have found these particular demerits at times.
Thx for the Video! I especially like that you mention the forgivingness of the burrs. This attribute became a big quantifier in my personal ranking.
I tried the MP burrs and hated them. They were too acidic for me. I switched them out for the SSP HU burrs and much prefer them
Great video and even more elucidating article! Would it make sense for someone owning the DF64 gen 2 with the new DLC burrs (the ones also present in the DF64V) to replace them with SSP HU?
Hm, it's a hard question... Pretty small upgrade and similar style.
@@coffeechronicler I see, thanks!
My current DF64 Gen 2 came wtih DLC but im thinking of upgrading in the future, what would you recommend? I currently have hand grinder which I use for Pour over.
What even is an "SSP brew burr"? There doesn't seem to be product by that name in SSP lineup.
Personally I use an electric grinder for espresso and a ZP6 for pourover. Hand grinding for pourover is so easy its not worth using a motor IMO
I bought MP just for espresso, still a good idea? what dou you think?
i got it and switched to cast burrs bc i got sick of too clarity and no body but I'd get another grinder if i want to switch it up it's great for espresso MP burrs
The DiFluid Omni has a particle analysis range of 100-2500µm. Fines actually start at 100µm and can get much smaller which is why you couldn't find a difference between the Brew Burrs and MPs. I'm pretty confident there is a difference in the under 100µm range although there is no way to prove this without a more expensive particle analyzer. James Hoffman has one that can read under 1µm (he used it in his best espresso grinder under 500 pounds, and Niche Duo review).
Very interesting point. I agree, there must be some subtle differences that I'm just not able to detect with the Omni, otherwise the aftertaste couldn't be this different.
I ordered the SSP cast sweet lab filter burrs after watching this and having heard about this a few times. I am having trouble with these burrs over the Ode Gen 2 burrs as they seem to grind twice as fine as the Gen 2 burrs. Where I was at a 4 with the Gen 2, I am at a 7-8 with the SSP filter burrs. In addition I am not getting very good tasting results. My brew times are off from favorite recipes and the flavors are no longer as apparent. I have not run enough coffee through the SSP burrs to "season" them, does this actually make that much difference? Anyone else have this experience?
Unfortunately the cast burrs take quite a long time to season. Probably 3 kg before they settle down. Another option is that you installed them slightly uneven. If you suspect that, I'd try to clean out the chamber really well and reinstall them.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks, do you think they will require being shimmed?
Not necessarily, in many cases a careful reinstallation or different orientation of the burr/carriers is enough to fix any issues.
Sorry for asking another burr upgrade question as i see the comments. But I have the df64 2 with DLC burrs. Do you happen to know how the cast sweet burrs (espresso ones) compare?
Haven't tried the V3 espresso ones yet. I imagine they will have a slightly different texture as cast burr tend to.
What are the „brew burrs“? And where can I buy them?
Not sure what name they are sold under now. Probably MPv1? Hard to keep track :) espressotool.com should be the "official" site..
@@coffeechronicler I'm really confused, in your website you have an interview with Hingsung where he calls them "lab sweet v2", how could you now say they are called MPv1?
Lab sweet is a different burr set. It's called Lab Sweet/Cast and there are 3 different versions - LSV1 and V2 are more suitable for brewing, and V3 is focused on espresso.
MPv1/Brew/Unimodal or what they are called currently look quite different. I understand why it's confusing, though :)
I way prefer the brew burrs over the mp burrs too. I got really tired of the astringency in the mp burrs and literally couldn't taste anything else for a while.
What (DF Gen2) 64mm burr set would you suggest for frequent switching between espresso and pour-over/filter coffee? In regards to dail in and taste.
I‘ve heard the mizen omni burrs are supposed to be great for both.
if you want clarity it's MP but almost no body for espresso just too acidic but still great for long black, cast is all rounder
@@kennnnn000 any suggestions if the V2 or V3 is more suitable?
@@faces069 v3 if you're doing filter and espresso but either one barely have significant difference tbh miniscule
Is it common to have problems with espresso range on brew burrs? Especially with modern baskets that have higher surface area l struggle to hit even 7 bars on most light roasts.
My early model burrs were a pain to fit onto timemore 064s. Sandpaper to the rescue on the rotor carrier.
Yes, seems to be common. I have a good range when it's installed in DF64V but less so in Gevi Grindmaster.
I looked at so much feedback on the MPs before deciding to upgrade the DF DLC burrs. I went with the CV3 red speeds and I’m pretty happy so far. It was what I was looking for.
Haven't tried them yet, but imagine they are a lot more like the 83 mm cast for spro.
@@coffeechronicler I was surprised how fast they ship. I got them direct from Hansung basically overnight!
Thanks for this excellent video!
@coffeechronicler could you share your grind settings / recipe for the Mugen/Switch trials?
I typically do an 8 g / 130 ml with a recipe similar to my Switch technique, but just closing the Switch at 0:25 and pour the rest. Same grind size as usual for the method. And in subsequent rounds, adjust grind size of one grinder only in order to match the EY/TDS of the best tasting grinder. If needed, results can be dialed coarser of finer to check at various EY.
I went looking for the Brew burrs but I can't find them; everything that says brew burrs just links to the MP burrs. Could you provide a link to them? (Maybe it's because I'm in the USA) I wanted to compare them to the Cast burrs and see which I might prefer, get a 2nd opinion on the matter.
I've been using my MP burrs (after using ODE Gen 2 burrs) for about a year and I can say I've noticed a lot of what you described. I've gotten pretty good with them but a little piece of me has been thinking maybe I'd be more happy with the gen 2 burrs again. I just didn't want to think I've wasted my money but at this point they well and good seasoned, I'd definitely be open to buying something else.
Most vendors call them brew burrs, but they are actually listed as 64 mm MP v1 on SSP's website: www.espressotool.com/?idx=3 - it's probably a good idea to double check with Hansung via email, since there's so much confusion with all these different burr names.
@@coffeechronicler thanks for the quick response! I'll check it out
@@0whitestoneWere you able to figure it out? I am interested as well lol
@@Jahloveipraise Not really. I see Zerno has them explicitly listed, but theirs are the blind burrs for the Z1, not something I could use in my Ode. I emailed some sellers and received no response. Pretty frustrating TBH. I'm too nervous to buy a set if I'm not absolutely clear as the pictures are not obvious and it's very easy to label them wrong on the website.
For instance, Fellow as a listing for "MP Flat Bew Burrs" but I'm pretty sure it's the gen 2 MP burrs, not the gen 1 Brew burrs as that's what they've always sold with their Ode grinder as an upgrade option.
@@0whitestone sorry man I posted a main comment after I figured it out. I reached out to Hansung at ssp, if you but on espresso tool it’s labeled as “64mm MP_V1”
I am using the SSP Cast Burr V2 Red Speed in a Fellow ODE V1 for some time now for filter and was wondering if I should switch to SSP MPs at some time - questions solved now :-)
Well, maybe Brew V1 then ;)
@@coffeechroniclerHow would you compare Cast Vs. Brew in your Ode?
@@paulhedonii4092 The taste notes are a bit more focused on brew, and the sweetness and linger is a bit higher on cast. I'd say they complement each other pretty well.
@@coffeechronicler huh, why? It's the brew v2 that are the new brew (filter) burrs
2023 year of the coffee grinders :)
Can the ssp brew burrs you recommend work for espresso?
Only in certain grinders... and the flavor profile is a bit jarring - not what most people seek in espresso, although some people might love it.
I trust you Bro
How would you compare the SSP MP to the Omni Mizen (sand blasted) burrs?
Haven't tried the Mizens yet. I'd assume they are very different.
Where can I order the 64mm SSP Brew v1 burrs? They seem hard to get, I have not found any online retailer yet.
It's hit and miss who carry it. But buying directly from SSP is always a decent option. Hansung replies to all emails.
I got the SSP cast brew burrs V2- they seem to grind much finer per setting than the Ode Gen2 burrs. So you have an approx comparison of how much finer?
What about espresso?
I just got these burrs in yesterday and just tried to brew an espresso with it and it was basically a turbo. I was only 5 notches from chirp on a DF64V, used a light roast Ethiopian roasted 3 weeks ago, and 18g dose. I test ground some coffee one notch above chrip and it looks potentially too course still since I see chaff in it but I will test again later. I will also try updosing to add some resistance if that still doesn’t work. Came back to the video to see if Asser had the same experience lol
The MP need to be around 800-900 RPM for pour over to not have any astringent notes
how to choose between the new Brew and the Cast?
Yes, @coffeechronicler would you please address this?
Strictly light roasts, tea-like body and a more clean presentation that let's you pick out single notes; go Brew. Cast for a more forgiving profile that works well for all sorts of of filter coffee, including light, and also quite well for milk-based espresso. Overall, both burr sets are very clean/focused compared to the "average" flat or conical burrs, so the difference is mainly about body/texture.
@@coffeechronicler thank you for answering. and congrats on becoming a Q-grader.
I brew 90% light espresso and still prefer the cast burrs
I am definitely someone on the spectrum too... the Coffee spectrum that is ;D
It's great and important to differenciate between use cases. Home brewing 3-4 brews per week has different needs and tradeoffs worth making, than, let's say an invite only, omakase style competition coffee tasting experience.
Definitely! For most people it's probably overkill to have all the current hype burrs :)
When the MP Burr (Brew V2) first came out, every single coffee professional or specialty coffee fans said it's (meaningfully) sweeter and more forgiving and easier to dial in for both filter and espresso compared to the original Brew (V1) burr. This has been the consensus for years among the community.
Now you suddenly have different opinions. Not sure if this is a process of the community maturing, but it seems more like your personal preferences are changing over time. And this honestly makes me question the credibility of professional opinions.
Brian Quan also seems to be against SSP MP now too. I think it is not very straight forward and trusting influencer opinions only gets you so far...it did seem like just a year ago 64mm ssp mp was one of everyone's favorite burrs.
I think the explanation is that both the market and the coffee professionals evolve. Personally, I try my best to admit when I have made bad calls and correct them so viewers can make more informed decisions. Besides pride there's no reason not to. The MP burr set is like a flashy sports car that impresses at first glance, so it's no wonder why many were initially fascinated. Since I got it my tastebuds have evolved as well as my testing methodology. I have also owned and used dozens of grinders, so in that light I thought it was about time to share my thoughts.
There is no consensus. Some prefer V2, others V1 (and were upset when SSP changed the burrs). In my opinion, the difference is very minor for filter - at least at the settings I use them. If you grind finer perhaps it'll be more pronounced. I do understand what Asser means in the video. For espresso I think you start seeing much a bigger impact of those flat areas, but I think it limits how fine it's possible to grind hence I counter-intuitively seem to prefer V1 for espresso. This could also change depending on how lightly roasted the beans are..
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Does anyone know where I might get a set of 58mm SSP brew burrs for a Wilfa Uniform? Thanks.
I think directly from SSP is the way to go. Check out www.espressotool.com/1114311087 or try to contact Hansung directly.
These are the mp v2 version. I guess they don’t make the v1 anymore?
I did NOT like the SSP Cast burs (V2). Enjoyed Mizen more.
Anyone in North America looking for a place to purchase the SSP v1 brew burrs, they are available from Cafune coffee in Canada. See their website. They ship quickly.
I recently saw a two year-old video from another popular coffee TH-camr who compared the MP to the v1 brew burrs for filter coffee. The weird thing is he pretty much gave the opposite opinion, claiming that the MP's are more forgiving and have a wider sweet spot and that the v1 brews are harder to dial in but do have the potential for a superior cup. I had the MP's in my Ode, and I just recently acquired the v1 brew burrs and installed them. I, too, have been a little bit let down by the MP's. I did sometimes get very good brews. But not consistently. More often than I would like, I was finding that astringency. Now, it's only been a day, but after my first few brews with the v1 brew burrs I am pretty sure I agree with Asser rather than the other TH-camr. Had some really tasty cups the first two coffees I brewed right off the bat. Definitely less astringency. Very pleased so far.
I think nothing is better than Cast Lab Sweet!
It's a good all-rounder for sure! And very forgiving.
Dumb question: ssp its the only producer on the market that does this kind of burr? Since my aspiration is to get a DF54 as a first timer (more oriented to espresso than filter, but still want to try it), you think there will be a 54mm grinder set? Or just go with a hand grinder (im too lazy for it in the morning tho)?
Mahlkonig and a new brand named Lebrew also make a similar set, however, in different sizes than 54 mm.
I think the DF54 unfairly has a reputation as "mostly an espresso grinder". I find that the pour overs from it are excellent.
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