078 non-S owner here, really nice to hear what you had to say about this one specifically. And did not expect the burrs to be considered your top three! So glad I managed to grab one.
Lance- thanks for the great vid as always. I have the DF64V and personally love how the feed shoot comes apart in two pieces as it allows be to very easily clean everything out with a brush. I appreciate how easy they made doing that.
DF64V owner here. I love how small and quiet it is. Since buying it half a year ago, I've had it stall with light roasts at 600-700 RPM, and had to tighten the screw on the grind setting indicator ring with the included hex key. At least it's easy to open up and fix. No complaints about the grind quality, and Lance's video on slow dosing conveniently not only improves that but also eliminated any stalling issues. Can recommend this grinder for anyone wanting a small and quiet all-rounder for espresso and filter, but if I were buying one now I might save money and get the Gen 2, which wasn't out yet when I bought the V.
quick thing on the warranty - they don't void it if you swap the burrs yourself, but rather will only do so if the issue is causing by incorrectly having installed the burr
64V owner here. Love it and so glad I’m in the land of chill pill and enjoying the cup quality over my previously owned Eureka Mignon. If you have or are considering anything in this lineup, just get what you like. This is like an all star lineup here.
Yes, but which has the stock burrs best for espresso? I'm stuck between the DF64V, Timemore 64S and the Gevi...I dont want to go past $500...Selling the Eureka 54mm burr grinder as I really dislike the adjustment knob. I like what I can get out of it but with many calibration shots(every time I switch beans, as I like trying different coffees), yet dont know what I maybe missing...LOL
@@sxd-215 Timemore has grind setting issues. I got the DF83Variable. So far so great. Way better than the Mignon. Its almost no retention. No cleaning needed for numerous shots, no need to open at all yet, but I did just to check. Grinds repeatable. able to slow feed pretty easy, zero popcorning, SUPEr quiet, even 300rpm no stalling (not a super light roast, but did try light. Its been a few weeks. I tried about 4 different roasts/roasters. Stock burrs still, and so far, rather very happy with it.
@@philindeblanc thanks for sharing! that's interesting to hear about the grind setting issue. did you watch his latest video where he ranked the 064S an A? what kind of coffee do you make regularly? I'd be coming from the older Baratza Encore so my bar is pretty low.
Thanks so much for this video. I ordered a DF64V yesterday then saw you were posting this today. Lost a little sleep but you confirmed that I should enjoy my choice and not worry about every little upgrade and new grinder. Whew….
Great video! That ending is exactly what I was looking for! I love my Sculptor and never had any intention to get rid of it but I was just wondering how it stacks up against EVERY grinder, including Weber's expensive art pieces. I expected the outcome but glad to be confirmed! Timemore has made the best bang for the buck grinder by far!
@17:35, this is exactly why I don't mind static on my DF64 gen1. Static tends to attract chaff more than coffee. The problem is RDT gets rid of most of the static. You love one thing and hate another :) In any case, this DF64 is here to stay for a long time.
I've had a DF83 for over a year. It can make great coffee, but it's also helped me understand I want out of a grinder. 80mm blind sweet lab burrs, an efficient auger and prebreaker, vertical burrs, and a deionizer. Hopefully such a grinder is released soon and doesn't cost $3K lol. Great video!
@@themessenger2356 That all depends on what you're looking for. Do you typically prefer conical or flat burrs, single dosing vs grind by time vs grind by weight, do you care about ground retention, what's your preferred workflow, acceptable noise level, etc. The top end of grinders in that price range tend to be from Timemore, DF, Eureka, and Baratza. Personally, I'd check out the Timemore Sculptor (either size), DF83V (or 64 gen2 if you want to try different burrs without breaking the bank), and the Eureka Oro Mignon XL depending on what features you want.
@@sonorguy1 I have a 54/55mm Eureka, and the adjustment knob sucks. Lots of test shots between beans, so its hard to be consistent. looking at DF64gen2 or V or Timemore 64s(maybe 78, but I want to stay as much around $500) or the Gevi...Hard to select as I dont want to right away buy burrs, and drink 98% espresso. In video he talks good things about pour over, not espresso, so Im a bit left scratching my head. lol.
I only just upgraded my grinder to the DF64 Gen 2 with the SSP sweet lab burrs. Coming from a cheap and dirty ~50 buck grinder that I've been frustrated with for the past years, I am basically in heaven right now. For me, the bellows aren't an issue at all - but then I don't seem to be experiencing that much retention in the first place (I don't even use a spritz of water)
Yo I got the EXACT same setup as you! The grinder is great, no retention, and so far its grinding everything greatly except for this ultra light roast I got from my local roaster (but I'm trying to see if I can fix it by aligning the burrs some more)
I have a DF83V and pretty much agree with what Lance said here. I won't comment on cup quality because I'm not qualified, but here's my experience with using the thing: Yes, it will stall on low RPMs at fine grind sizes. It seems like the low RPM is meant for filter coffee. That said feed rate seems to make the biggest difference. I dumped 100g of light roast in at once at a fine grind size and still stalled at a higher RPM but my normal 20g dose I can grind for espresso just fine at 300 without drip feeding beans into the thing. I suspect this is an auger design issue and I'm considering making my own once I feel like I understand the problem to see if I can slow that feed down. When I have stalled it I have not had to remove the burr carrier. Increasing the RPM helps, which can be done while it's not running. I have been able to coarsen the grind setting just by turning the dial- it will feel jammed at first but that's just because the beans are pushing on the burr and the burr is pushing on the screw. Once you move it a bit it will come free. The adjustment knob just rests on the burr carrier and has some grease in there. It could use a thrust bearing or something like that and that's another thing I am considering adding. Once you get it moving you can adjust pretty coarse and try again, this worked for me even with the previously mentioned 100g stuck in there. Note that the dosing cup will not hold 100g, more like 30, so grind into something else if you try this. Removing the burr carrier and reinstalling it it does not seem to hold the zero, but it's very easy to adjust so I would suggest resetting it any time you take the grinder apart. At 1600 RPM it grinds fast, maybe too fast. It shot the grounds into the dosing cup with such force that they kind of bounced out. This was with no RDT and a light roast. I have heard conflicting reports on the less fines at low RPM statement, but I don't actually care that much about variable RPM. I have been sticking with 800 or 1000 and not messing with it too much yet. Tapping the bellows instead of really pushing definitely works best. The declumper at the exit chute seems to be the most likely place for things to stick. I have seen some buildup on the magnetic exit chute. Some people have talked about an offgassing smell. Mine (black) smells if I take a whiff but doesn't give off a strong oder, though I was running a fan past it at one point and that did seem to make things smell more. Some report a very strong smell, some don't. Seems to go away eventually, not sure if it's just on the black one. Does not seem to impact the taste of the coffee.
I got a DF64V while waiting for the 078s to ship because my previous grinder had died. Was really looking forward to the 078s but the reality is that it's workflow just doesn't work at all for me. For example, the bean hopper on the 078s is small and awkward, forcing you to fiddle with the little cover to get it in place after dosing your beans in order to prevent popcorning. There is no such issue with the DF64V. More importantly, it was much harder to read the 078s' grind setting and make adjustments to it compared to the DF64V's easy to use and read dial. The DF64V's dial can be read by just by looking strait down at it, while it was necessary for me to stoop to the level of the 078s' dial and view it strait on in order to accurately see the setting. By comparison, the Zerno and DF83V have better designed grind adjustment dials for grinders with vertical burrs because they can be read without stooping. The following may be specific to my kitchen, but my under-the-cupboards lights illuminate the DF64V's grind adjustment dial perfectly but they backlit the 078s' dial, making it necessary for me to turn that grinder towards another light source or use my phone's light in order to read it accurately on gloomy mornings. My intention with these grinders was try out variable speed grinding. Even if this turns out to be not a useful thing, I bought both grinders intending to give it a go. The DF64V's grid speed dial is trivially easy to adjust, enjoyable even, while the 078s requires pulling the grinder out, turning it around and again, stooping down to adjust the setting. The 078s' grind speed adjustment dial feels like a checkbox item for marketing, and not anything that any thought was put into. Regarding the grinds chutes on these grinders, I find the DF64V's far easier to use and clean. I could never tell what might be left in the 078s' chute. The twisty knocker thingy on the 078s might be fun to use but it doesn't give me any confidence that the chute is actually clean because, unlike the DF64V's, it's not possible see into it. So I disagree with the objections to the DF64V's chute, it's better than the 078s' in every way. Accessing the burrs on the 078s is a long, painful process that requires tools and that resulted in bloodied knuckles and a lot of frustration, while the DF64V is a tool-less, quick and trivially simple process. I used both grinders side-by-side for about a month and my appreciation for the DF64V only grew. The 078s is simply not as well designed as the DF64V. I found myself no longer interested in using the 078s, so I ended up selling it.
I’m at the point where the only reason I want a new grinder is that I’ve started doing espresso a lot more and I have a non-ESP Encore so I’m just saving up for an all-around grinder (and trying my luck on your giveaways 😅). For someone like me, who wants an upgrade for that reason, and is looking for something in this price range, this was a hugely helpful video.
Finally got my Kickstarter 078 after almost a year of waiting. A few minor niggles about the workflow (popcorning / beans stuck in the hopper when using RDT), but oh man the cups I've had with it are amazing. Glad I stayed patient, and at the $500 opening day KS price, it's just insane value.
I purchased the df83v because I was in the market for a flat burr grinder. I have a Niche Zero as well currently although I haven’t touched it since the df83v came in. Obviously says I have been very happy with it and I’ve had it for 3 weeks now. Luckily I haven’t had it stall since the very first day. I have SSP HU burrs on it and I’ve gone down to 500 rpm without issue.
I’ve had mine stall, but only with the lab sweet burrs from SSP. I have mitigated it by not just doing a full dump with a hot start but a close to full dump. It all goes in within 2 to 3 seconds instead of just flat out zero on dumping.
Hi, I’m just a curious nerd 🤓😉. When you reduce the speed, would that also reduce the power? At higher speeds the inertia is obviously higher so even with the same power it would still be less likely to stall at higher speeds.
I sidegraded. Went from a Fellow Ode with SSP MP burrs to a Timemore 078. Partly for a change and partly due to some astringency on certain coffees on the Ode. We shall see how the 078 goes.
@@LanceHedrickThanks Lance. I have high hopes for that. also to clarify I meant sidegrade pricewise - the kickstarter 078 was around the same price as the Ode with the SSPs.
@@vbcv1 The 078 has been a great grinder. The clarity of the SSP MP burrs is still superior to the 078 in my opinion but the 078 burrs are better in every other way. I do sometimes miss the ultra clarity of the MP burrs.
Thanks for the video Lance :) i choose to stay manual because of you and bought the Pietro... I love it even if i have to do a workout every morning :D
i really like your videos, they are always very educational. one thing i have noticed in the last few videos, is that the sound (you talking) sometimes stops very rapidly, which is irritating especially with headphones. sometimes the sound cuts while you are breathing in or out as well. and for me, i dont feel like there is a consistency when music plays and when not. some chill and quiet background music would very much soften these 'hard cuts'. other than that, love your content lance!
I can brew really good coffee at home, so I’m not looking to buy anything new. I just like to hear you talk about coffee stuff 🤷🏽♂️ And the singing I like that as well ✌🏽
Like the NB about not falling into consumerism and making do with what we have...'if a human being had a valley of gold he would desire another' - contentment is the greatest wealth
Lance, I only do pour overs with my v60 right now and a Timemore C3 manual hand grinder. It's a big challenge when I have many guests over to quickly brew a number of cups. Which electric grinder should I buy? The Timemore 078 or is that over kill? What's the best large size brewer that'll give me quality cups like my v60? Thank you! This video was very informative.
I appreciate these gear reviews because I'm getting more and more into the coffee. I want to find my one and done. Buy once and forget about it. I like someone comparing features for me so I can select the best one for me and hopefully never need to buy another
Lance, really appreciate this video as I'm looking to upgrade from a SGP. What would you recommend between the Timemore 064/064s and DF64 if I want filter + espresso?
Yep, love it. Had the 078s since Sep 23. Frankly it has been transformative, it's consistent, I can rely on it to produce what I intend and the flavours I'm getting from lots of different beans in most cases do represent the roasters intent. Great grinder.
I haven't gotten my Timemore 078s yet, but the problem I'm hearing is that there's enough retention in the knocker that it's not just fines and chaff leftover, ideally if it was just a little chaff and fines you can knock it out separately, and keep them out of your drink for a potentially higher quality brew! But if it's over a gram of fines, chaff mixed with coffee grounds, it seems like a waste and doesn't seem like it's doing its job as a single dose, low retention coffee grinder ! Chaff and fines shouldn't weigh anywhere near 1g (and there shouldn't be that much of it ideally). But I'll see how mine performs when I get it.
I received my 78S a few weeks ago and have noticed what you’re saying. I’m hoping there’s a break in period. I do love the machine. I also notice the beans need to be helped into the grind chamber after a first go.
@@BRogoMU a lot of seasoning is supposed to benefit those burrs. I'm still waiting for mine! If you're doing RDT that tends to make beans stick to everything and one reason why I hate RDT!
I have the DF64 Gen 2 on order ($400). Apparently so does everyone else, because I won’t see it for at least another month. It’s replacing my old OXO grinder that I’ve been using for the past few years.
"Beans Before Machines" - I think it makes really good sense... But what would you say to those who argue that you need a quite capable espresso machine (besides a good grinder) with options to pre-infuse well and in advanced ways and perhaps even flow profile to extract really light roasted (and possibly also dense high altitude) beans for espresso. It seems some guys (especially one guy) on the HomeBarista forum claims that. And it sounds reasonable too 🤔
I have the Wilfa Uniform because it was on sale and I am happy (filter only). I still watch these videos and I still feel happy about my purchase. Thank you for making them.
I have a df64gen2 on order in which I plan to convert to my dedicated filter brew grinder with some brew burrs. And maybe have a good gbw grinder for espresso. The Allground sense looks like a really good option right now but not much reviews out.
Starseeker, the maker of SD40 and iTop 64, actually came out with a 74mm vertical blind burr grinder at the end of last year. Too bad it's not marketed outside of China as of now, as I think it might prove to be a viable option alongside the 078s and the DF83v.
Been looking to sell my Breville SGP and go to a nicer single dose grinder. I don't do espresso but I like to experiment with other brew methods so having easy adjustment and nothing to really think about is ideal. Glad to hear my somewhat impulsive purchase of a DF64 Gen 2 today was not only a good choice but one that is clearly such a no brainier of a good choice that it barely warrants a mention 😅
Looking at saving up for a Profitec 600. I’m looking at grinders and I go back and forth. I like single dose grinders with hopes of zero retention. Would you buy df64, timemore 064s, or spend more on a grinder like a eureka mingnon oro single dose, or some something completely different?
It doesn’t make any sense that a lower RPM would generate more heat than a higher RPM. For example, rub your hand slowly across some carpet, and then rub your hand rapidly across the same carpet. That’s where the term rug burn comes from. 🔥 Basic principle of physics.
Lance a couple years ago now,I think, you recommend the urbanic 070 for under $200.. Is that still the best flat bur grinder? I use the flair 58 to pull espresso shots. Thank you
Hey Lance, would it be possible that you do a bit of a walkthrough about coffee beans this time? I'd like to have a better appreciation with what roasters put on the labels. The most consistent ones I see are: - Roast level (light, med, dark) - masl (meters above sea level?) - Procssing type ( Washed, Natural, Honey) and how do I react to what I see in these lables?? You be the date guru I be the cluelss schmuck -- teach me what my first moves should be when I meet these details, three.
Hi Lance, Do you think you could make a short/reel/post discussing the sounds of these grinders? I have to grind in the early morning and the most important factor after cup quality is noise level and quality. I know some grinders are louder than others but have a less jarring noise and some may be quieter but more intrusive sounding. The ideal test IMO would be to run each grinder at an espresso setting and a brew setting. Then measure the dBs either just outside of your studios door or inside a thick cardboard box. Separately, subjectively rate the sounds next to the grinder and in the adjacent room/your head in the cardboard box. This all sounds(hehe) a bit excessive and goofy but that means you are the perfect guy to take it on. BTW its my theory that cones are quieter than flats in general. And I think that the less fines a burr produces the higher pitch the sound is ( when the grinder is held the same )
Honestly, given my current financial situation and my coffee obsession - I'm super happy with my Chestnut X & 078s, I never understood the 'need' to buy a new grinder every-single-time a new one comes out... I mean like WTF?! :D
Hey, nice videos! I saw in past video of yours (Delta Q Ride Review) that you live in Portugal. I'm starting to love the expresso making flow and I find very hard to find speciality coffee, do you have store that you recommend?
I am a weird person, never actually considered a electric grinder w/ filter burrs for filter coffee, I´m using a C40Mk4 w/ RX35 for the 2nd year now. I think (as Lance said) it isn´t about the NEED, but more likely about WANT bc of a thousand Instagram Influencer coffee accounts are showcasing these grinders.
I like the approach you take on obsessing and basic info on burrs. I'm just trying to find a decent and cheap electric espresso grinder that does more than my Virtuoso. Hopefully theres something under $400 or ibsave up forva df64v.😅
Just sold my 078 because I found to get superior cups to my taste with Pietro pro brewing.. cleaner and less prone to bitterness. Workflow is worse though😁
Curious how much coffee you put through the 078 before selling? I had bitterness on finer settings for the first kilo or so but have been able to go finer and finer since without any bitterness. I did find that I needed to reduce agitation in my technique to help as well.
@@christophersmith8945 interesting, had mine since December so definitely put some kilos through and tried various grind settings. Maybe it’s just me preferring the even cleaner brews. Also thought about alignment issues, but that’s hard to check and apparently doesn’t seem to be a big issue with 078
@@fabilemusic9992 definitely interesting! guess it goes to show that everyone's tastes and perceptions are different. good news is you found something that works for you!
I am considering a new grinder. I love the Mahlkonig E65S, but the Anfim Pratica is much cheaper and almost the same thing. Any recommendations as the Pratica is about $1000 cheaper. This will be for home use and I will need the short hopper for either one of these.
Regarding heat damage: I was under the impression that we are not 'burning' coffee when brewing etc which is often quoted. Which makes sense due to the high temperatures encountered in roasting. So my question is how does this apply during grinding? I understand that there is clearly a lot of friction and therefore heat in grinding, but if grinds are getting so hot that it is damaging the flavour of the coffee during grinding, surely that heat would be perceptible in the dose cup? Or am I misinterpreting what you are referring to as heat damage ? Thanks as always great content .
I appreciate the message you concluded on; it’s one many home enthusiasts need to hear. Focus should be on performance, cup quality, and relative value for money and availability; the last of which seems to be mostly overlooked by reviewers, including yourself. Why even mention the Zerno in this video when the grinder isn’t even available for purchase?
Stilling waiting to actually buy the Gevi Grindmaster as it's not available anywhere in October 2024. If it's near $600, take my money Gevi. If it's near $1000, I guess I'll spend my holidays with the Timemore 64S/78S or DF83/DF83V.
Enjoy your content, keep doing your thing. A point, especially when reviewing so many with similar names, could the name of the grinder be on the screen when you are discussing it? I keep backing up trying to catch the name of each as I watch. Thank you
Yeah, the part about the right beans are a big thing I think. I drink decaf coffee and I would love to drink good lightly roasted coffee, but I only found medium to dark roasted coffee (in Zürich). To the point that commercial ones were lighter on the roast than the specialty ones! Idk what the reason might be but it was kind of funny to see that so far: The cheaperst one was the tastiest and lightest of the bunch. Like WTF!? Tho I really enjoyed the darker ones aswell, at least from one roastery. ^^ (I am very suceptible to caffeine to the point that even too much decaf coffee can make me all shakey...)
Thanks for the great advice and you’re so right about who has the biggest best grinder! 😂 Is there a preference for an espresso and filter grinder in that lineup?
I really appreciate your sentiment of sticking with what works for you and not worrying about the latest and greatest. But, it helps me in a different way. I am getting my first espresso equipment. Your scientific approach to things has helped me geek out, but also made me feel unable to make a decision. I have settled on a Robot, but couldn't decide on how big to go with a grinder. I decided on a DF64 gen 2 today. I'm sure these will be a great place to start and grow my taste. Maybe a Zerno and La Marzocco is in my future. But I think I'll be happy for a while.
I have my manual Keanu M47 for a while now. I have been debating with myself for sooooo long to buy an electric grinder. And yet I never found the perfect grinder that will make me spend the money to switch. I thought the DF64v was the one but I am not sure anymore ahah. The niche is always the one coming back in my head, but the price tho …
Hey Lance, I got the 078 for filter based on your recommendation. It's excellent but without rdt the static has been awful. I started using just one spritz of rdt and that solved the static issue but a lot less is in the fines catcher now. What's your process on 078? Are you still against rdt for it?
Well, as long as you do not have a grinder with a brushless motor, you can just buy a $16 Power Tool electronic speed controller from Menards. Just try that out before spending a ton of money on something you might not even notice. Also would like to add that if the machine is stalling at lower speeds, that is a good indication that the built in speed controllers are no better than an external one.
So after several months of using and upgrading my initial setup - Delonghi Dedica + Sage Smart Grinder Pro, I just ordered the Lelit Bianca V3 (after getting the chance to use it and then just drooled over it for what felt like eternity). Now I'm looking to upgrade the grinder. I was really hoping for a definitive conclusion at the end of this video. I got a pretty good deal on the Bianca so that, naturally means I now have to make up the difference by putting every cent saved towards the grinder. What would you recommend?
I love the Timemore S2C burrs! Going from the Timemore C2 to C3, oh, my gosh, it's SO much easier to grind with. It's a little bit slower as a cost, but that is worth the reduced wrist strain.
I have a C3 too, yes grinding is pretty easy. But i think the quality in the cup is Not that gread. I tried it for Espresso and would Rank the result a 3.5/10 than i Did another Espresso this time with a Eureka Atom 75 Rest was the Same and it was more 8-9/10. And i Did Not get satisfieing results with the C3 for Filter aswell. There the Fellow Ode gen 1 does a way better Job. But for Aeropress Coffee at Work the C3 is okay, but for pour over or Espresso i dont Like the taste. For the Aeropress it does an okay Job but i Did Not try Aeropress Coffee with the ode at the Moment.
@@Neilz911 I usually use my C3 for Aeropress brews at work. And I grind quite coarsely, as well. So I guess I haven't really pushed the envelope with it.
@@CaveyMoth Same with me and my C3. And it is a cheap grinder compared to the others and it is portable, i think the C3 is an okay package but If you Invest more you will have more fun...
Hey Guys :) what do the internal grinding chambers in these grinders look like, what material are they made of? Does the coffee come into contact with aluminum or steel? My friend cannot tolerate aluminum due to a neurological disease. We want to ensure that coffee particles do not come into contact with aluminum elements. Thank you for help.
DF83V delivered Monday. S/N 0024 DId I get the 24th one off the line? Love the grinder but the arrow sticker is not at 12 o'clock when screwed in all the way. It sits at about 12:15. I could ask Miicoffee for a new sticker but I don't really care. I don't use the little button. I keep the burrs spinning when it is on and just use the big rocker switch to turn the grinder on and off. I see no reason to have it on without the burr spinning, so the little button seems redundant to me. The choo choo train look doesn't bother me. Looks great on my counter. Going from A Breville Smart Grinder Pro to the DF83V was a crazy upgrade. Running at 1K RPMs it grinds through 18 grams of coffee crazy fast. I would like to see a slow feed auger upgrade in the future. Even at 1/3rd the speed it would be faster than my Breville.
I bought a DF83 v2 and have been disappointed with the consistency from run to run. I use it for filter and the zero point changes while I’m grinding 70g. The. Trying to readjust the zero point to be back to my original location. Trying to grind espresso after has a very course grind. Tighten it run it, zero point changes again, and keep tightening over an hour. It’s crazy.
What burr do you have in that Monolith behind you? Do you also plan on doing a review for SSP 98 Sweet Lab burrs that just released? I've heard they are as good if not better than the actual 80mm Sweet Labs. I am really curious what they are like.
Great video, I love coffee and currently only own a Aeropress and a Cafelat Robot. However, I only have an older Eureka Mignon with this small dial on the left side. It has been ok I prefer it to all these touch screens but the consistency is not the best, the left over in the grinder is also huge and to switch from coarse to fine is a tragedy, as one has to keep track on how many times you have turned the dial. Anyhow I wonder whether a grinder comes to your mind which could replace my Eureka with better results without paying an arm and a leg for it? I already thought I might get a hand grinder for espresso and an electric one for pour over? Anyhow any tip would be much appreciated. thx
Any plans on reviewing the Starseeker AK74 ? Seems like an interesting newcomer, especially at its price point and considering it comes with blind burrs.
I would love to know how these awesome new machines compare with my Eureka Mignon Specialitá. I know you did say we do not need to upgrade if we are satisfied... BUT... the curiosity is bad :D
I have satiated my urge to buy new grinders by watching what is an equivalent of a giant mukbang of gear. Thx Lance!
I upgraded from the built-in Brevile Barista Express grinder to the Timemore 078s and its like Im born again
How are your shots tasting now? Significantly different?
078 non-S owner here, really nice to hear what you had to say about this one specifically. And did not expect the burrs to be considered your top three! So glad I managed to grab one.
Lance- thanks for the great vid as always. I have the DF64V and personally love how the feed shoot comes apart in two pieces as it allows be to very easily clean everything out with a brush. I appreciate how easy they made doing that.
DF64V owner here. I love how small and quiet it is. Since buying it half a year ago, I've had it stall with light roasts at 600-700 RPM, and had to tighten the screw on the grind setting indicator ring with the included hex key. At least it's easy to open up and fix. No complaints about the grind quality, and Lance's video on slow dosing conveniently not only improves that but also eliminated any stalling issues.
Can recommend this grinder for anyone wanting a small and quiet all-rounder for espresso and filter, but if I were buying one now I might save money and get the Gen 2, which wasn't out yet when I bought the V.
I don't think there's anything quiet about the Df64.
Why do you need 600 RPM? I just use it on 1800 for espresso only and never stalled
I have the df64 gen2 - the only thing that bugs me so far is it‘s absolutely deafening noise. Hope for you that the V is quieter 😅
@@bluemystic7501 The DF64V is in fact pretty quiet with its brushless motor.
@@hegyitaho For filter coffee.
A new Lance tagline “BEANS NOT MACHINES”
Thank you for offering a balanced approach and not a “buy this now” philosophy.
quick thing on the warranty - they don't void it if you swap the burrs yourself, but rather will only do so if the issue is causing by incorrectly having installed the burr
64V owner here. Love it and so glad I’m in the land of chill pill and enjoying the cup quality over my previously owned Eureka Mignon. If you have or are considering anything in this lineup, just get what you like. This is like an all star lineup here.
Yes, but which has the stock burrs best for espresso? I'm stuck between the DF64V, Timemore 64S and the Gevi...I dont want to go past $500...Selling the Eureka 54mm burr grinder as I really dislike the adjustment knob. I like what I can get out of it but with many calibration shots(every time I switch beans, as I like trying different coffees), yet dont know what I maybe missing...LOL
@@philindeblanc Did you pull the trigger on anything? was looking at the Timemore 064S so curious if you picked something over that.
@@sxd-215 Timemore has grind setting issues. I got the DF83Variable. So far so great. Way better than the Mignon. Its almost no retention. No cleaning needed for numerous shots, no need to open at all yet, but I did just to check. Grinds repeatable. able to slow feed pretty easy, zero popcorning, SUPEr quiet, even 300rpm no stalling (not a super light roast, but did try light. Its been a few weeks. I tried about 4 different roasts/roasters. Stock burrs still, and so far, rather very happy with it.
@@sxd-215 Timemore best for drip.
@@philindeblanc thanks for sharing! that's interesting to hear about the grind setting issue. did you watch his latest video where he ranked the 064S an A? what kind of coffee do you make regularly? I'd be coming from the older Baratza Encore so my bar is pretty low.
I really appreciate the shout out @8:55 Lance! :)
Thanks so much for this video. I ordered a DF64V yesterday then saw you were posting this today. Lost a little sleep but you confirmed that I should enjoy my choice and not worry about every little upgrade and new grinder. Whew….
Great video! That ending is exactly what I was looking for! I love my Sculptor and never had any intention to get rid of it but I was just wondering how it stacks up against EVERY grinder, including Weber's expensive art pieces. I expected the outcome but glad to be confirmed! Timemore has made the best bang for the buck grinder by far!
@17:35, this is exactly why I don't mind static on my DF64 gen1. Static tends to attract chaff more than coffee. The problem is RDT gets rid of most of the static. You love one thing and hate another :) In any case, this DF64 is here to stay for a long time.
Hi ! Just a little note on the df64V. You Can also buy a slow feeder to avoid any stalling and reduce the feed rate 😉.
I've had a DF83 for over a year. It can make great coffee, but it's also helped me understand I want out of a grinder. 80mm blind sweet lab burrs, an efficient auger and prebreaker, vertical burrs, and a deionizer. Hopefully such a grinder is released soon and doesn't cost $3K lol. Great video!
What would you recommend for someone looking for a grinder under 1k
@@themessenger2356 That all depends on what you're looking for. Do you typically prefer conical or flat burrs, single dosing vs grind by time vs grind by weight, do you care about ground retention, what's your preferred workflow, acceptable noise level, etc.
The top end of grinders in that price range tend to be from Timemore, DF, Eureka, and Baratza. Personally, I'd check out the Timemore Sculptor (either size), DF83V (or 64 gen2 if you want to try different burrs without breaking the bank), and the Eureka Oro Mignon XL depending on what features you want.
@@sonorguy1 I have a 54/55mm Eureka, and the adjustment knob sucks. Lots of test shots between beans, so its hard to be consistent. looking at DF64gen2 or V or Timemore 64s(maybe 78, but I want to stay as much around $500) or the Gevi...Hard to select as I dont want to right away buy burrs, and drink 98% espresso. In video he talks good things about pour over, not espresso, so Im a bit left scratching my head. lol.
I'd love to see your thoughts on the DF54!
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I only just upgraded my grinder to the DF64 Gen 2 with the SSP sweet lab burrs. Coming from a cheap and dirty ~50 buck grinder that I've been frustrated with for the past years, I am basically in heaven right now.
For me, the bellows aren't an issue at all - but then I don't seem to be experiencing that much retention in the first place (I don't even use a spritz of water)
Yo I got the EXACT same setup as you! The grinder is great, no retention, and so far its grinding everything greatly except for this ultra light roast I got from my local roaster (but I'm trying to see if I can fix it by aligning the burrs some more)
That’s quite a leap forward! 😁
Got the df64 gen2. It works absolutely perfectly…no static, 0,05g retention, good looking. It is just a bit loud 😅
I have a DF83V and pretty much agree with what Lance said here. I won't comment on cup quality because I'm not qualified, but here's my experience with using the thing:
Yes, it will stall on low RPMs at fine grind sizes. It seems like the low RPM is meant for filter coffee. That said feed rate seems to make the biggest difference. I dumped 100g of light roast in at once at a fine grind size and still stalled at a higher RPM but my normal 20g dose I can grind for espresso just fine at 300 without drip feeding beans into the thing. I suspect this is an auger design issue and I'm considering making my own once I feel like I understand the problem to see if I can slow that feed down.
When I have stalled it I have not had to remove the burr carrier. Increasing the RPM helps, which can be done while it's not running. I have been able to coarsen the grind setting just by turning the dial- it will feel jammed at first but that's just because the beans are pushing on the burr and the burr is pushing on the screw. Once you move it a bit it will come free. The adjustment knob just rests on the burr carrier and has some grease in there. It could use a thrust bearing or something like that and that's another thing I am considering adding. Once you get it moving you can adjust pretty coarse and try again, this worked for me even with the previously mentioned 100g stuck in there. Note that the dosing cup will not hold 100g, more like 30, so grind into something else if you try this.
Removing the burr carrier and reinstalling it it does not seem to hold the zero, but it's very easy to adjust so I would suggest resetting it any time you take the grinder apart.
At 1600 RPM it grinds fast, maybe too fast. It shot the grounds into the dosing cup with such force that they kind of bounced out. This was with no RDT and a light roast. I have heard conflicting reports on the less fines at low RPM statement, but I don't actually care that much about variable RPM. I have been sticking with 800 or 1000 and not messing with it too much yet.
Tapping the bellows instead of really pushing definitely works best. The declumper at the exit chute seems to be the most likely place for things to stick. I have seen some buildup on the magnetic exit chute.
Some people have talked about an offgassing smell. Mine (black) smells if I take a whiff but doesn't give off a strong oder, though I was running a fan past it at one point and that did seem to make things smell more. Some report a very strong smell, some don't. Seems to go away eventually, not sure if it's just on the black one. Does not seem to impact the taste of the coffee.
I got a DF64V while waiting for the 078s to ship because my previous grinder had died. Was really looking forward to the 078s but the reality is that it's workflow just doesn't work at all for me. For example, the bean hopper on the 078s is small and awkward, forcing you to fiddle with the little cover to get it in place after dosing your beans in order to prevent popcorning. There is no such issue with the DF64V.
More importantly, it was much harder to read the 078s' grind setting and make adjustments to it compared to the DF64V's easy to use and read dial. The DF64V's dial can be read by just by looking strait down at it, while it was necessary for me to stoop to the level of the 078s' dial and view it strait on in order to accurately see the setting. By comparison, the Zerno and DF83V have better designed grind adjustment dials for grinders with vertical burrs because they can be read without stooping. The following may be specific to my kitchen, but my under-the-cupboards lights illuminate the DF64V's grind adjustment dial perfectly but they backlit the 078s' dial, making it necessary for me to turn that grinder towards another light source or use my phone's light in order to read it accurately on gloomy mornings.
My intention with these grinders was try out variable speed grinding. Even if this turns out to be not a useful thing, I bought both grinders intending to give it a go. The DF64V's grid speed dial is trivially easy to adjust, enjoyable even, while the 078s requires pulling the grinder out, turning it around and again, stooping down to adjust the setting. The 078s' grind speed adjustment dial feels like a checkbox item for marketing, and not anything that any thought was put into.
Regarding the grinds chutes on these grinders, I find the DF64V's far easier to use and clean. I could never tell what might be left in the 078s' chute. The twisty knocker thingy on the 078s might be fun to use but it doesn't give me any confidence that the chute is actually clean because, unlike the DF64V's, it's not possible see into it. So I disagree with the objections to the DF64V's chute, it's better than the 078s' in every way.
Accessing the burrs on the 078s is a long, painful process that requires tools and that resulted in bloodied knuckles and a lot of frustration, while the DF64V is a tool-less, quick and trivially simple process.
I used both grinders side-by-side for about a month and my appreciation for the DF64V only grew. The 078s is simply not as well designed as the DF64V. I found myself no longer interested in using the 078s, so I ended up selling it.
I‘m using the 078s for 4 months now. The grinder does a pretty good job. Worth the money :)
Can you get your hands on a df54 for those of us that have to live on a budget? Compare it to grinders in your previous $200-$300 review.
Thanks for the PSA up front. That was perfect.
I’m at the point where the only reason I want a new grinder is that I’ve started doing espresso a lot more and I have a non-ESP Encore so I’m just saving up for an all-around grinder (and trying my luck on your giveaways 😅). For someone like me, who wants an upgrade for that reason, and is looking for something in this price range, this was a hugely helpful video.
I like to upgrade every 5-10 years, and these videos are a great snapshot of what's new.
Great video, as always Lance! I would have loved to see the Niche Duo in this round as well :). Perhaps next time.
Thank you, Lance. I own a DF65 v1, that I know how to use, so I'm fine for now. I may go for an upgrade when augers are more mainstream and developed.
Good stuff as always! And nice title too! Thank you for listening to my advice under the previous vid!
I got a Timemore 064s Launch Day for net 100€ because I also bought a 078s and sold it for rrp. I am happy with my purchase.
Perfect video Lance, honestly the best overview without too much detail. Very well balanced and fast paced.
Finally got my Kickstarter 078 after almost a year of waiting. A few minor niggles about the workflow (popcorning / beans stuck in the hopper when using RDT), but oh man the cups I've had with it are amazing. Glad I stayed patient, and at the $500 opening day KS price, it's just insane value.
I purchased the df83v because I was in the market for a flat burr grinder. I have a Niche Zero as well currently although I haven’t touched it since the df83v came in. Obviously says I have been very happy with it and I’ve had it for 3 weeks now. Luckily I haven’t had it stall since the very first day. I have SSP HU burrs on it and I’ve gone down to 500 rpm without issue.
I’ve had mine stall, but only with the lab sweet burrs from SSP. I have mitigated it by not just doing a full dump with a hot start but a close to full dump. It all goes in within 2 to 3 seconds instead of just flat out zero on dumping.
@@Spoobie123 The SSP Lab Sweet burr is one that I wouldn’t mind trying especially if I could buy it used from someone already seasoned.
Hi,
I’m just a curious nerd 🤓😉.
When you reduce the speed, would that also reduce the power?
At higher speeds the inertia is obviously higher so even with the same power it would still be less likely to stall at higher speeds.
@@Conservator. 🤷♀️
I sidegraded. Went from a Fellow Ode with SSP MP burrs to a Timemore 078. Partly for a change and partly due to some astringency on certain coffees on the Ode. We shall see how the 078 goes.
I think 078 is an upgrade IMHO for filter.
@@LanceHedrickThanks Lance. I have high hopes for that. also to clarify I meant sidegrade pricewise - the kickstarter 078 was around the same price as the Ode with the SSPs.
I did this and feel like it's a pretty big upgrade
what is your verdict after 7 months?
@@vbcv1 The 078 has been a great grinder. The clarity of the SSP MP burrs is still superior to the 078 in my opinion but the 078 burrs are better in every other way. I do sometimes miss the ultra clarity of the MP burrs.
Great video! I appreciate the repetition dissuading buyer’s remorse
Thanks for the video Lance :) i choose to stay manual because of you and bought the Pietro... I love it even if i have to do a workout every morning :D
Thanks for the PSA Lance, just here for the entertainment! I’m still very happy with my Timemore hand grinder ❤
Is the 064s still the best value grinder for making milk drinks? Curious how df54 will compare
i really like your videos, they are always very educational. one thing i have noticed in the last few videos, is that the sound (you talking) sometimes stops very rapidly, which is irritating especially with headphones. sometimes the sound cuts while you are breathing in or out as well. and for me, i dont feel like there is a consistency when music plays and when not. some chill and quiet background music would very much soften these 'hard cuts'. other than that, love your content lance!
I can brew really good coffee at home, so I’m not looking to buy anything new. I just like to hear you talk about coffee stuff 🤷🏽♂️ And the singing I like that as well ✌🏽
The detailed explanation of Grinder is very helpful.
thank you
Like the NB about not falling into consumerism and making do with what we have...'if a human being had a valley of gold he would desire another' - contentment is the greatest wealth
Lance, I only do pour overs with my v60 right now and a Timemore C3 manual hand grinder. It's a big challenge when I have many guests over to quickly brew a number of cups. Which electric grinder should I buy? The Timemore 078 or is that over kill? What's the best large size brewer that'll give me quality cups like my v60? Thank you! This video was very informative.
I appreciate these gear reviews because I'm getting more and more into the coffee. I want to find my one and done. Buy once and forget about it. I like someone comparing features for me so I can select the best one for me and hopefully never need to buy another
Lance, really appreciate this video as I'm looking to upgrade from a SGP. What would you recommend between the Timemore 064/064s and DF64 if I want filter + espresso?
Thanks for that great summary video. I have a Ceado E37SD and i am curious about your thoughts for it.
Team 078S reporting in!
Team "ordered an 078s in May and still waiting" also reporting in...
Hi senior, I am team C3S ... Still newbie, please be nice.
@@orideconblingbling I've been using a C2 for quite some time with a Bialetti moka pot. I fully approve of your path!
I love the workflow of my 078S so much more than the df64
Yep, love it. Had the 078s since Sep 23. Frankly it has been transformative, it's consistent, I can rely on it to produce what I intend and the flavours I'm getting from lots of different beans in most cases do represent the roasters intent. Great grinder.
I haven't gotten my Timemore 078s yet, but the problem I'm hearing is that there's enough retention in the knocker that it's not just fines and chaff leftover, ideally if it was just a little chaff and fines you can knock it out separately, and keep them out of your drink for a potentially higher quality brew! But if it's over a gram of fines, chaff mixed with coffee grounds, it seems like a waste and doesn't seem like it's doing its job as a single dose, low retention coffee grinder ! Chaff and fines shouldn't weigh anywhere near 1g (and there shouldn't be that much of it ideally). But I'll see how mine performs when I get it.
I received my 78S a few weeks ago and have noticed what you’re saying. I’m hoping there’s a break in period. I do love the machine. I also notice the beans need to be helped into the grind chamber after a first go.
@@BRogoMU a lot of seasoning is supposed to benefit those burrs. I'm still waiting for mine! If you're doing RDT that tends to make beans stick to everything and one reason why I hate RDT!
Does the Blind Shaker fit and magnetize on the TimeMores?
I have the DF64 Gen 2 on order ($400). Apparently so does everyone else, because I won’t see it for at least another month. It’s replacing my old OXO grinder that I’ve been using for the past few years.
Commented on discord and got some very good feedback there, I'm definitely getting the 078s
"Beans Before Machines" - I think it makes really good sense... But what would you say to those who argue that you need a quite capable espresso machine (besides a good grinder) with options to pre-infuse well and in advanced ways and perhaps even flow profile to extract really light roasted (and possibly also dense high altitude) beans for espresso.
It seems some guys (especially one guy) on the HomeBarista forum claims that. And it sounds reasonable too 🤔
I have the Wilfa Uniform because it was on sale and I am happy (filter only). I still watch these videos and I still feel happy about my purchase. Thank you for making them.
I have a df64gen2 on order in which I plan to convert to my dedicated filter brew grinder with some brew burrs. And maybe have a good gbw grinder for espresso. The Allground sense looks like a really good option right now but not much reviews out.
Starseeker, the maker of SD40 and iTop 64, actually came out with a 74mm vertical blind burr grinder at the end of last year. Too bad it's not marketed outside of China as of now, as I think it might prove to be a viable option alongside the 078s and the DF83v.
Been looking to sell my Breville SGP and go to a nicer single dose grinder. I don't do espresso but I like to experiment with other brew methods so having easy adjustment and nothing to really think about is ideal.
Glad to hear my somewhat impulsive purchase of a DF64 Gen 2 today was not only a good choice but one that is clearly such a no brainier of a good choice that it barely warrants a mention 😅
Looking at saving up for a Profitec 600. I’m looking at grinders and I go back and forth. I like single dose grinders with hopes of zero retention. Would you buy df64, timemore 064s, or spend more on a grinder like a eureka mingnon oro single dose, or some something completely different?
Just now looking into stepping up my coffee game, didn’t know it gets this wild lol much more to research, thanks.
It doesn’t make any sense that a lower RPM would generate more heat than a higher RPM. For example, rub your hand slowly across some carpet, and then rub your hand rapidly across the same carpet. That’s where the term rug burn comes from. 🔥 Basic principle of physics.
Lance a couple years ago now,I think, you recommend the urbanic 070 for under $200.. Is that still the best flat bur grinder? I use the flair 58 to pull espresso shots. Thank you
Hey Lance, would it be possible that you do a bit of a walkthrough about coffee beans this time? I'd like to have a better appreciation with what roasters put on the labels. The most consistent ones I see are:
- Roast level (light, med, dark)
- masl (meters above sea level?)
- Procssing type ( Washed, Natural, Honey)
and how do I react to what I see in these lables??
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Hi Lance,
Do you think you could make a short/reel/post discussing the sounds of these grinders?
I have to grind in the early morning and the most important factor after cup quality is noise level and quality.
I know some grinders are louder than others but have a less jarring noise and some may be quieter but more intrusive sounding.
The ideal test IMO would be to run each grinder at an espresso setting and a brew setting. Then measure the dBs either just outside of your studios door or inside a thick cardboard box. Separately, subjectively rate the sounds next to the grinder and in the adjacent room/your head in the cardboard box.
This all sounds(hehe) a bit excessive and goofy but that means you are the perfect guy to take it on.
BTW its my theory that cones are quieter than flats in general. And I think that the less fines a burr produces the higher pitch the sound is ( when the grinder is held the same )
Honestly, given my current financial situation and my coffee obsession - I'm super happy with my Chestnut X & 078s, I never understood the 'need' to buy a new grinder every-single-time a new one comes out... I mean like WTF?! :D
I love the grinder reviews and comparisons more than any other videos on this channel.
As always Lance. You make me chuckle in a great way. “Poker face”.
Hey, nice videos! I saw in past video of yours (Delta Q Ride Review) that you live in Portugal. I'm starting to love the expresso making flow and I find very hard to find speciality coffee, do you have store that you recommend?
I am a weird person, never actually considered a electric grinder w/ filter burrs for filter coffee, I´m using a C40Mk4 w/ RX35 for the 2nd year now. I think (as Lance said) it isn´t about the NEED, but more likely about WANT bc of a thousand Instagram Influencer coffee accounts are showcasing these grinders.
Great Lance. Very sweet. And calm this time around. Thank you. ❤
I like the approach you take on obsessing and basic info on burrs. I'm just trying to find a decent and cheap electric espresso grinder that does more than my Virtuoso. Hopefully theres something under $400 or ibsave up forva df64v.😅
Just sold my 078 because I found to get superior cups to my taste with Pietro pro brewing.. cleaner and less prone to bitterness. Workflow is worse though😁
Curious how much coffee you put through the 078 before selling? I had bitterness on finer settings for the first kilo or so but have been able to go finer and finer since without any bitterness. I did find that I needed to reduce agitation in my technique to help as well.
@@christophersmith8945 interesting, had mine since December so definitely put some kilos through and tried various grind settings. Maybe it’s just me preferring the even cleaner brews. Also thought about alignment issues, but that’s hard to check and apparently doesn’t seem to be a big issue with 078
@@fabilemusic9992 definitely interesting! guess it goes to show that everyone's tastes and perceptions are different. good news is you found something that works for you!
the integrated scale on the Gevi Grindmaster is awesome
I am considering a new grinder. I love the Mahlkonig E65S, but the Anfim Pratica is much cheaper and almost the same thing. Any recommendations as the Pratica is about $1000 cheaper. This will be for home use and I will need the short hopper for either one of these.
Regarding heat damage: I was under the impression that we are not 'burning' coffee when brewing etc which is often quoted. Which makes sense due to the high temperatures encountered in roasting. So my question is how does this apply during grinding? I understand that there is clearly a lot of friction and therefore heat in grinding, but if grinds are getting so hot that it is damaging the flavour of the coffee during grinding, surely that heat would be perceptible in the dose cup? Or am I misinterpreting what you are referring to as heat damage ? Thanks as always great content .
I appreciate the message you concluded on; it’s one many home enthusiasts need to hear. Focus should be on performance, cup quality, and relative value for money and availability; the last of which seems to be mostly overlooked by reviewers, including yourself. Why even mention the Zerno in this video when the grinder isn’t even available for purchase?
Stilling waiting to actually buy the Gevi Grindmaster as it's not available anywhere in October 2024. If it's near $600, take my money Gevi. If it's near $1000, I guess I'll spend my holidays with the Timemore 64S/78S or DF83/DF83V.
Enjoy your content, keep doing your thing. A point, especially when reviewing so many with similar names, could the name of the grinder be on the screen when you are discussing it? I keep backing up trying to catch the name of each as I watch. Thank you
I got my DF64 Gen 2 a week ago and am totally happy with it - above all at this price point.
Yeah, the part about the right beans are a big thing I think.
I drink decaf coffee and I would love to drink good lightly roasted coffee, but I only found medium to dark roasted coffee (in Zürich).
To the point that commercial ones were lighter on the roast than the specialty ones!
Idk what the reason might be but it was kind of funny to see that so far: The cheaperst one was the tastiest and lightest of the bunch. Like WTF!?
Tho I really enjoyed the darker ones aswell, at least from one roastery. ^^
(I am very suceptible to caffeine to the point that even too much decaf coffee can make me all shakey...)
Thanks for the great advice and you’re so right about who has the biggest best grinder! 😂
Is there a preference for an espresso and filter grinder in that lineup?
I really appreciate your sentiment of sticking with what works for you and not worrying about the latest and greatest. But, it helps me in a different way. I am getting my first espresso equipment. Your scientific approach to things has helped me geek out, but also made me feel unable to make a decision. I have settled on a Robot, but couldn't decide on how big to go with a grinder. I decided on a DF64 gen 2 today. I'm sure these will be a great place to start and grow my taste. Maybe a Zerno and La Marzocco is in my future. But I think I'll be happy for a while.
what are your top 3 espresso grinders?
I have my manual Keanu M47 for a while now. I have been debating with myself for sooooo long to buy an electric grinder. And yet I never found the perfect grinder that will make me spend the money to switch. I thought the DF64v was the one but I am not sure anymore ahah. The niche is always the one coming back in my head, but the price tho …
Hey Lance, I got the 078 for filter based on your recommendation. It's excellent but without rdt the static has been awful. I started using just one spritz of rdt and that solved the static issue but a lot less is in the fines catcher now. What's your process on 078? Are you still against rdt for it?
Did you ever consider the DF83V? I am on the fence, DF83V or 078. Filter only!
Makes me happy to have my Silenzio! TBF I lean hard into dark roasted Arabica/Robusta blends.
Interested in seeing the Gevi Grindmaster more, looking forward to watching all of this!
I dont plan on buying any of these grinders! But I watch the entire video cause lance is very entertaining. Keep up the coffee content! ☕️
Well, as long as you do not have a grinder with a brushless motor, you can just buy a $16 Power Tool electronic speed controller from Menards. Just try that out before spending a ton of money on something you might not even notice. Also would like to add that if the machine is stalling at lower speeds, that is a good indication that the built in speed controllers are no better than an external one.
Oh man! I’m happy with my DF64 v2 SSP unimodal. Thanks For the vid.
So after several months of using and upgrading my initial setup - Delonghi Dedica + Sage Smart Grinder Pro, I just ordered the Lelit Bianca V3 (after getting the chance to use it and then just drooled over it for what felt like eternity). Now I'm looking to upgrade the grinder. I was really hoping for a definitive conclusion at the end of this video. I got a pretty good deal on the Bianca so that, naturally means I now have to make up the difference by putting every cent saved towards the grinder. What would you recommend?
I have a df64 gen 2 and it's been so consistent and great so far, I slow feed it by hand.
I love the Timemore S2C burrs! Going from the Timemore C2 to C3, oh, my gosh, it's SO much easier to grind with. It's a little bit slower as a cost, but that is worth the reduced wrist strain.
I have a C3 too, yes grinding is pretty easy. But i think the quality in the cup is Not that gread. I tried it for Espresso and would Rank the result a 3.5/10 than i Did another Espresso this time with a Eureka Atom 75 Rest was the Same and it was more 8-9/10. And i Did Not get satisfieing results with the C3 for Filter aswell. There the Fellow Ode gen 1 does a way better Job. But for Aeropress Coffee at Work the C3 is okay, but for pour over or Espresso i dont Like the taste. For the Aeropress it does an okay Job but i Did Not try Aeropress Coffee with the ode at the Moment.
@@Neilz911 I usually use my C3 for Aeropress brews at work. And I grind quite coarsely, as well. So I guess I haven't really pushed the envelope with it.
@@CaveyMoth Same with me and my C3. And it is a cheap grinder compared to the others and it is portable, i think the C3 is an okay package but If you Invest more you will have more fun...
Lance do you have any plans to cover the DF54 in any future videos?
Yes mod it with ditting steelies!!
Regarding the little wood stand on the DF64V, it works great to flip upside down and use as a lid to shake grounds.
Neat! Thanks for that!
Hey Guys :) what do the internal grinding chambers in these grinders look like, what material are they made of? Does the coffee come into contact with aluminum or steel? My friend cannot tolerate aluminum due to a neurological disease. We want to ensure that coffee particles do not come into contact with aluminum elements. Thank you for help.
DF83V delivered Monday. S/N 0024 DId I get the 24th one off the line?
Love the grinder but the arrow sticker is not at 12 o'clock when screwed in all the way. It sits at about 12:15. I could ask Miicoffee for a new sticker but I don't really care. I don't use the little button. I keep the burrs spinning when it is on and just use the big rocker switch to turn the grinder on and off. I see no reason to have it on without the burr spinning, so the little button seems redundant to me. The choo choo train look doesn't bother me. Looks great on my counter. Going from A Breville Smart Grinder Pro to the DF83V was a crazy upgrade. Running at 1K RPMs it grinds through 18 grams of coffee crazy fast. I would like to see a slow feed auger upgrade in the future. Even at 1/3rd the speed it would be faster than my Breville.
I bought a DF83 v2 and have been disappointed with the consistency from run to run. I use it for filter and the zero point changes while I’m grinding 70g. The. Trying to readjust the zero point to be back to my original location. Trying to grind espresso after has a very course grind. Tighten it run it, zero point changes again, and keep tightening over an hour. It’s crazy.
What burr do you have in that Monolith behind you?
Do you also plan on doing a review for SSP 98 Sweet Lab burrs that just released? I've heard they are as good if not better than the actual 80mm Sweet Labs. I am really curious what they are like.
Great video, I love coffee and currently only own a Aeropress and a Cafelat Robot. However, I only have an older Eureka Mignon with this small dial on the left side. It has been ok I prefer it to all these touch screens but the consistency is not the best, the left over in the grinder is also huge and to switch from coarse to fine is a tragedy, as one has to keep track on how many times you have turned the dial. Anyhow I wonder whether a grinder comes to your mind which could replace my Eureka with better results without paying an arm and a leg for it? I already thought I might get a hand grinder for espresso and an electric one for pour over? Anyhow any tip would be much appreciated. thx
thoughts on Eureka grinders? I don't see the community using those line of grinders all too much. I just see DF64 and the variety Lance has
Any plans on reviewing the Starseeker AK74 ? Seems like an interesting newcomer, especially at its price point and considering it comes with blind burrs.
I would love to know how these awesome new machines compare with my Eureka Mignon Specialitá. I know you did say we do not need to upgrade if we are satisfied... BUT... the curiosity is bad :D