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They opened the box a year later? That’s too long to demand a refund imo. What if they bought that same box on eBay? Would ebay refund them after a year? I don’t think so
It would be hard to prove it is the same item after a year, but fraud is still fraud even after a year.
Legally I believe it's 5 years, so a year is definitely within the time frame. The buyer actually says 11 months which is even better.
@@mnimr91can they legally prove its the same exact box & it hasn’t been tampered with in those 11 months? I doubt it
@@PokeBrosTrading I mean yeah they can prove it's the same box by the UPC code on the bottom of the box it's not that hard 😂
@@curtislefebvre9188 they all have the same UPC code on the box 🤡
26 grand of FRAUD is probably BIG Jail time in PokeTravs state. I'll definitely be forwarding this to his local authorities. This is what about Pokemon disgusts me. Trav offers no refund, even though the court of Law will tell him he has to, but he is probably the same jerk paying 40%-50% of retail on items and ripping people off on his buying also, get these Garbage People out of this Hobby!!
Nobody is paying 40-50% on vintage sealed, margins are usually 5-10% for these resellers, which is still a lot for 5-6 figure items.
The “victim” needs to be the one to report the crime; otherwise, it’ll be dead on its track.
No victim no crime. You can forward it, but nothing will come of it unless the victim reports it.
This has exchanged hands so much it’ll at best give him a case number so he can use for his insurance.
Source - I’m LE
Jared, you sound like a male Karen. When you "report" this to the local authorities, they are going to laugh at you. Probably the same way I just laughed.
Tell me where I can get a Neo Genesis 1st edition booster box for 12k and i would buy it. Prices are super well known by 100% of people now who own these rare vintage items.
All the attic finds are about gone forever. It's done. All in the hands of serious/rich people in the hobby. I just think sellers aren't professional thats all at checking vintage, it's hard to prove sealed... They pretend they are knowledgable but facts are they haven't seen many of these boxes personally, not many people have in the hobby.
The new scanning method might stop things like this as soulless as it is. Peace of mind it's at least Neo Genesis cards inside. (Granted the hits could still be swapped for lower condition cards so still not perfect).
fraud requires intent. it’s very hard to prove he knowingly and intentionally did this. also you can’t just hire a lawyer for a criminal case, it would be civil unless the state picked up ththe charges which is highly unlikely multiple years later. There’s no criminal case here unless the state says so
Even before you said the wrap is off i already had my thoughts about it. You are not the only one 😅
I sold Trav a Base 2 box. He was genuinely trying to make sure everything was legit. Im sure he got got on the box too. He had a financial backer at the time too. Hope everything works out for everyone! Im sure this is his worst nightmare!😢
He needs to authentic his boxes he’s selling and he needs to be prepared in case boxes are fake. He’s young and the way he talks and handles business reflects that. I’ve passed on doing business with him a few times just based solely on how he held himself during the conversation.
Vintage is dead to me!
Have to be very careful!
do u even have the resources to get into vintage
@@MegaLolcade I have some resources yes but not enough to be screwed over by taking the risk. At this point I’ll just stick to opened vintage singles.
@@MegaLolcadewhat resources would you even need? It’s a collectible card game. Lmfao.
Let’s be honest. You couldn’t afford a $26,000 booster box anyway. Just because some broke guy doesn’t like vintage really doesn’t change anything for everyone else.
That has to be heart wrenching but the Breaking industry is going to out so many fake boxes that have been floating around for a long time.
The high quality fakes make all suspect and need to go back and find out if they are all fake or worse reprints sold later to scam people as 1st edition packs were only sold to me in 99 at 50 dollars a pack then in sealed individual packs never a loose booster box that some one opened. Very few ever saw a 1st edition booster pack in 99 2000 years.
You paid $50 for a FE pack when it was new?!
They only retailed for $1 more than unlimited…
Unless supply had dried up and it was a rush for people to get them, $50 a pack seems a bit excessive, lol.
A real pack not a fake one.
He didn't sound that shocked plus the choice of words that he used. I think that
he switch them out.
I bought a paldea evolved booster box from psa pikachu. Im confident when i decide to open it in 20 years all the hits will still be there.
CT scanned 💀
This is crazy how people need to chase their money when it says you're covered
The sound in his voice and how he responded was not in any shock what so ever……
I guess 26k is nothing to him, or something fishy is going on with his side of things. I heard someone in the background streaming saying "of course you should buy in". That already tells me they also like to scam people.
the switch from hype to sadness was so quick…. But also hearing Rattle say, “maybe this is where the CT scanning stuff could come in handy”……. HUH, well that was a quick shift
It would be beneficial for something like this but adds a ton of potential for wrongdoing. CT scanning would also make the packs mappable and someone could know which pack to bid on, etc... If it doesn't have the big hit from the set, someone who scanned it might not disclose that. There are a lot of bad things that, in my opinion, outweigh the good that could come from it. Don't base my opinion or even your own on a single scenario and line from an unrelated video. ;)
Youd have to understand that even if someone could tell if the cards inside a box were real. The wrongdoing of selling every pack that doesnt have a hit from it would not only recuperate their loss, but more than make up from it. Meanwhile someone hoping to get something decent from a heavy pack might be met in disappointment when they didnt know the seller already knew what was in the pack before it was sold. People need to stop taking advantage of people, and help each other, but nothing is going to change because of certain people.
Sounds like Poketrav either knew it was fake or he doesn't have the funds to pay it back. No honor there
At least it was hidden fates might actually make a few dollars back on that bulk 😂
I guess it is one upside of the CT scanners
I noticed he scooted the wrap off so we couldn’t hear the loud rattling of a fake rap😂
It was probably real WOTC wrap from larger MTG products that had it. Hard to tell from the photos and video though.
@@RattlePokemonthat wrapper looked shiny AF i would be willing to bet that wrapper is some Alibaba knock off 🤣
This is were ct scanning comes in handy when making a big purchase
For years people have been tampering with expensive boxes (especially with sports cards) and they cross their fingers that the buyer doesn’t have the balls to rip it open since it’s so expensive…
They hope the buyer throws it on the shelf as a collector piece, and it never gets opened so nobody ever finds out. Most of those scammers will feel out the initial buyer. If they plan on ripping the deal will magically fall through.
If the seller knew this buyer was gonna rip, then he had no idea it was tampered with.
If they plan on ripping the deal will magically fall through. Dam thats the slimiest shit I've ever heard. "Oh ur not a collector?" Ghosts ur texts and calls
People here asking for an apology like Rattle was the one trying to nuke Chloe’s reputation
All the usual hate babies and scammers looking for a reason to pile on. lol
@@RattlePokemon keep telling yourself that buddy, of course you're never wrong (ptcgradio), you're not an insecure narcissist. Everyone else is always wrong and you are always right hahaha. Thats a great way to go through life.
@@GMD023 relax take a break from all that possum glazing
@@poketcgmanIf you're anything close to an adult, you would know he's right.
Rattle has the answer to everyone else's problems but clearly cant solve his own. Dude is a complete hack.
13:07 straight to video
This is why those ETSY shops that sell these boxes should be shut down...I couldn't imagine losing 30K like that.
PTCGRADIO
No one cares.
@@GMD023 thank you for helping with the algorithm today.
They need to sue PokeTrav. It doesn't really matter if he knowingly sold fake packs or not. He still has to send them a refund.
that wrap was plasticy not soft and im sure trav or any poke master would be able to tell just by touch
Honestly the buyer is at fault no matter what, he should of done his through research about the box whether it was real or fake.
It's possible there was a prior cash transaction and there will be a dead end.
Dude, the camera drop brought the product off screen just long enough for extra shenanigans. You can’t trust any if this crap anymore. Esp rip and ship Jboy 69ers.
You can see the resealed contents before the camera drop.
I hate to dunk on these guys but it only makes sense the guys who get ripped off also don't notice no First Edition logos.
It's so weird that they didn't notice immediately...
I just came here to check the comment section, lol.
lets scan it to see if its real?! wow. sealed is sooooo cooked.
Keep up the content it’s not the first time they attacked women in the hobby won’t be the last 🫡
@@russianmuffin98 this!
Does anyone know are they still printing staff promo cards? I got the Vivid voltage staff promo charizard way back when cuzbi heard it would be the last. Then apparenlty there was a very small run for the next set. Then I've been busy since what's the word? I paid more for it than what it's selling for currently but hope it will be hot in 20 years.
Yes, they are still making Staff Pre-Release cards.
They stopped and restarted.
They stopped for awhile
@@RattlePokemon well I guess that should still help the value a little. I have 2 really nice ungraded charizards. Charizard or bust I always say.
They said they got a refund today, it’s all been cleared up
If you didn't learn anything from the Logan Paul case scam by you being there & seeing it open to make sure it's real. Then you deserve to be dupped on live TH-cam. 🤣🤡💸💸💸
G.I. JOEEEEE!!!! #Classic
Looking at this from a legal standpoint.....pokatrav will win in court. Why you might be asking....he has one simple defense: "I told the buyer to check this item before purchasing. The buyer checked and was happy that it was original sealed. The buyer then paid me. It looks like the buyer then off camera could have opened it, messed with it, and resealed the box. The buyer then could have started the live stream to "validate" his claim by opening the box the buyer resealed". Sadly, either side could be telling the truth. The buyer has more of a reason to lie because they not only get the goods from the box but a full refund. That is why the judge will have to cut in favor of the defense. Remember, the buyer is responsible for checking and making sure THEY are comfortable with the purchase. We are all human and sometimes make mistakes, so it's not that the seller is a scammer....to them it looked good when they purchased. Only trust your own knowledge!
Are you a lawyer?
You are 100% correct sir.
This shouldn’t count as a refund. You need to film the opening of the box it was shipped in to verify it was the same box. This could have easily been another box. This company has loads of 1st Ed Neo….
1st
The ct scanning can eliminate all the fraud in the hobby, sucks they don’t see the benefits.
It can prevent some but also adds different avenues for fraud. CT could confirm reseals but scans can be faked, reseals could include lesser condition cards from that set, makes the packs mappable, etc...
Yeah, but imagine the person scanning YOUR pack likes the lugia alt art he sees and sends you back a sealed pre-scanned silver tempest pack and keeps yours. How would you know the difference. Ct scanning is a scummy easy way to scam 😂
@@guttergadgetzz6193 I’m talking about a third party that does a service to eliminate fraud. The whole purpose of the company is to catch fraud. If that company decides to steal then they would get sued, no?
CT should have been used for authentication, never for hit previews.
It might eliminate the fraud, but dont you also think it would cause more issues? If someone scanned it that costs some money. If the packs are real then you have two options that are awful that people would capitalize on.
1. The packs are real, and now you know which have the hits. - That person sells the ones that are duds, and comes out on top, but meanwhile everyone else has to buy packs in excitement only for the seller to know they are duds.
2. The packs are fake which means that the only way to know for sure is to open it EVEN AFTER it comes back. An honest person would probably just recuperate his losses, but what happens to the not so honest? They sell it for alot of money, and the cycle continues.
Both of these outcomes is horrible, and I honestly dont think CT scanning should be used unless the seller CT scans the item IMMEDIATELY AFTER its bought. Liked an in-person scan or something. Any reason not to should raise red flags immediately. They probably dont have things like this yet, but it needs to be done.
That why we need ct scan
I think poke chloe will sleep with you
I need context on this, I saw another comment talking trash about rattle where they mention chloe
We don’t know what buyer did with that box between when it was received and when it was opened. Travis is not responsible for this issue. The buyer should have confirmed contents long ago. Good luck trying to fight this in court……. 🎉
At 27:36 Maybe its the lighting or the way they are holding the boxes but when you show the sellers vs the buyers picture with the side of the box with the Elekid the wrapping looks different. The sellers looks more crinkerly/bubbly especially near the Pokemon logo while the buyers looks smoother. Same when he holds the box after taking it out of the acrylic case it looks smooth. Also the Sellers picture the Elekids ears looks a bit longer then the buyers picture. Also if you look at the sellers picture the shadow of elekid the ears look pointy while the buyers picture the ears look more rounded.
Come on , they waited a year to open it , how do u even know its the same box? I wouldnt refund someone after a year an neither would you rattle . Stop it
1:45 unless you say no refunds thenbyeah dont spend the money. If you say no refunds then go ahead spend that shit its on them to ring their post office its all you can do. Theres not much you can do other than ring your own post office but once its sent its sent. Sure ebay never release the money until the item is delivered
Yes most fake Pokemon cards are shipped from china! Even on eBay 🤯
I'm no expert so pardon any ignorance, but what prevents the person who opened the box on video to have opened and resealed the product themselves prior and then blame it on the seller? Is there a way to audit something like that?
The wrap being identical in the opening to the previous photos taken by the seller.
Legit concern. Got to have good documentation.
I wanna be a poke lawyer!
This made me think of something rly slimey and shady. What if someone buys a real box from a reputable seller. Then gets home, breaks open the box, takes the packs out, puts the newest packs in like scarlet violet era, seals it all back up and makes it look nice. Then goes live on stream and does a breaking of the box and acts like it's a fake box.
I think you're underestimating how hard it would be to make sure the wrap and logos are identical on a reseal.
Ur 100% correct. Tbh I noticed when he took the knife to the celafane wrap *I think that's how u spell that word* it seemed thin, not loud when it crinkled and he took it off. It's more like the wrap on a pack of cigarettes rather than that of a ziploc sandwich baggie feel.
None of this would happen if people don't buy in to breakers. Idk why people would pay someone to open packs for them, im a collector of baseball cards and i enjoy opening the packs its a part of the hobby and the fun of the hobby.. Stop paying someone else to open packs ..
It would still happen and it wouldn't have been discovered unless opened.
@@RattlePokemon True..
Keep creating awesome content and ignoring the haters :)
the glazing is crazy fr
@@GonziDoesYTyour glitzing two other guys what’s worse 😒
I guess these days "ignoring the haters" means "ignoring people who have different opinions" 🙄.
@@bondronecontext?
What if the person who opened the box actually resealed it?
Take what this guy says with a pinch of salt. He likes to take things out of context and make super long videos that can be 10 mins long
Lol
📠
Since when has a 10min video been "super long"? You are a goofy stfu.
Just another dishonest grifter, trying to pretend he's better than any of the people he covers. Mark my words, one day dirt about this guy will be found by another grifter on TH-cam, just like him.
Poketrav did wrong, you can't deny that.
imagine advocating for CT Scanning.... yikes x)
So no apology? You got a serious ego you need to work on, bud.
Apology for what?
@@TheBielanskithe accent….it’s unforgettable
Apology for WHAT ? please enlighten us on exactly what he needs to apologize for. Otherwise go back to your braceface vert simping
The guy is never going to apologize, because he isn't a good guy. Just a grifter who somehow managed to go baby face with the logan stuff. He tries to come off as a coffeezilla type, but only the kids are buying it. But kids click. Kids buy. He'll keep going until the horse is dead and rotting.
@@rickp46 I find that funny when people like vert are LITERALLY simping their mystery packs to children 🤣🤡 go home and drink some milk.
This is tough since they waited a year to open.
While you would want them to make it right there is also always the chance it got swapped out since they waited a year before verifying the contents.
So i feel bad for the buyer but also understand why poketrav pushed back.
Just too much time has passed.
I unfortunately feel like this is going to be a huge problem when people start inspecting sealed product they bought second hand especially in the pokemon boom around the pandemic.
Man that sucks for all involved here as unless you can for sure track down the source of where it turned into a scam then someone is getting stuck being out of $26k
Rattle these are not real boxes. Message and we can discuss it. Neo has one 1st edition card and it is a common one for the set. My old channel has it what i have of the set with the 1st edition card. The 1st edition booster boxes are all fake varying quality levels. Message it gets bad. Mine feel different than the other neos.
This video needed to be 8 minutes...TOPS 🤷
I dont know why Pokemon company doesnt change the way booster boxes are now. I understand that vintage booster boxes can be faked but why hasnt the pokemon company come up with some new way to protect current booster boxes? Im sitting here thinking that if they created a booster box with some color strips that turn a different color when it hits oxygen when the shrink wrap is opened or some other way to create other layers of protection against fraud... We all know that 20 years from now current sets might be in the multiple thousands for booster boxes... Just thinking 🤔
Kinda like when someone is getting sued but doesn’t have the money set aside to fight it so has to ask people for money but has 100+ pack opening every other week 😂
can Rattle, and all of you other TH-cam lawyers stop using the word fraud. Fraud requires intent. fraud is a criminal charge and unless the state decides they can without a reasonable doubt prove that the seller knowingly and intentionally sold a fake product it’s a civil case at best. You can’t just decide Something is fraud because you got ripped off.
If someone intentionally sold this as a sealed 1st edition then that is fraud.
Not saying it was poketrav that did the fraud but whoever did the actual repacking is the one that committed fraud.
Unknowingly selling something fraudulent isn't committing fraud. So as long as Poketrav wasn't involved in that part then he didn't commit fraud
Rattle, you’re gonna lose subs like crazy soon. You need an ego check my dude
But he doesn’t.
Not as many as possum and CTR are gonna lose
@@poketcgman why would CTR lose followers ? For what ? He wasn’t even involved dude 🤣
@guttergadgetzz6193 watch the last few minutes of rattle's video about pokichloe, CTR's the worst one bro
What did he do?
Boy the start of this video dragged on for a solid 10 minutes.
Wonder if there’s an apology in this video…
Nope, by his own categorisations I guess this makes him a cry baby wiener.
For?
@@schultzhsaker20 failing to educate your parents of the value of contraception… also you can breathe through your nose occasionally
@@Peeves89that doesn’t answer the question. What apology ? And for what ? I’m sensing a vert simpy pooh in here
@@guttergadgetzz6193 never even watched a vert video, have you always been so dense?
Lol what people are coming after tattle, 🤬🤬dam L.O.P
Yet another 30 minute plus long video with less than 6 minutes of actual info. Only came here to see if he was man enough to rebuttal Opossum, and NOPE 🤷
There's a follow up to this story tomorrow for you to check as well. ;)
I feel like Journalists could do what Rattle does and he'd still fling shit at them.