McLaren MP4-12C vs Honda Civic BTCC racer vs Honda Fireblade British Superbike
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- We know the McLaren 12C is other-worldly fast. But how does it compare against a Honda Civic British Touring Car Championship racer and a British Superbike Championship-winning Honda Fireblade?
We took a McLaren 12C to Rockingham Motor Speedway to face its toughest challenge yet. Could it outpace a Honda Civic BTCC racer driven by former champion Gordon Shedden and the pairing of 2013 British Superbike champion Alex Lowes and his Samsung Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade? Which would set the fastest lap? Would the Civic's superior grip make up for the power deficit? Would the McLaren be too much to match on the straight? Or would the 'Blade offer a blend of light weight and high performance impossible to match? Steve Sutcliffe referees.
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All bike vs car arguments boil down to one simple fact for me. You can work your whole life to be able to afford that sportscar. You can be driving the value of your house in your new Ferrari, but you'll work hard to keep up with a 19 year old apprentice on a second hand ZX10. You'll probably live longer, but he's having more fun.
@Perú Bicampeón de América Good for you. I made that comment 6 years ago, but I'm still alive.
Cars move your body, bikes move your soul.
+Paulo Cavalheiro You should stay at home.
+Paulo Cavalheiro bikes do nont kill people. idiots on cell phones & not paying attention do.
LNS Guitar oh i think you should recheck that number. usually a biker comes off he only kills himself. not others. you will find around 80% of riders fatalities are car drivers not looking before leaving a juction
+LNS Guitar (Liam Smith)
www.legalinfo.com/content/motorcycle-accidents/motorcycle-accident-statistics.html
+kennyhfc71 Until you break your back.
Then you can't move at all.
Aaaaannnnnd que the butt-hurt car guys.
***** A scooter would be a better match for your E90 lmao....
ToxicReaper7 a honda ruckus would still walk that e90 L.
***** A weedeater powered razor would beat your E90.. hahaha. Original poster was fishing for butthurt and he got one.... FAST
I'm afraid your wrong..... The bike is not the equal to an F1 car, the motorbike equivalent to an F1 car would be a MotoGP bike which would lap a fair bit faster than the Superbike shown here, this bike is a tuned version of a road going bike anyone can buy.... As is the BTCC car, therefore this is a fair test
Motogps aren't even close to F1 cars around circuit
@@Smzxe he didnt say they were
@@ausingtv he said moto gp bikes and F1s are equivalent
@@Smzxe They are. One is 4 wheel prototype racing the other 2 wheel prototype racing.
@@rekluseman666 MOTO GP bikes are only faster in straight line
But F1 is Faster on corners simple as that
I love them both, for me when I ride my bike it's not about being faster, slower, better into or out of a corner but the level of immersion riding the thing. The feedback through a bike is what makes them great you use your whole body to get the most out of it.
It's like arguing over which is better: aeroplanes and helicopters.
And beside it's not what this video is about
Love the video, hate all the bike vs car comments
IT takes a very rare breed of bloke to go out on a bike and pull those lap times, anyone can drive but not anyone can ride and ride properly
I don't think just any one could jump in one of those cars and match or get near the lap times of those two drivers. They also have great skills from years of practice.
+Mark cbay that Honda that the guys driving .... its not that easy
Bikes > Cars 98% of the time, and 100% of the time for the buzz you get.
A £5,000 bike will beat £100,000+ cars.
not true. first debunking factor. How often is it wet outside? surely more than 2% of the time
Phil Lam
if you live in the UK
I don't quite agree. Let me first say I don't ride a bike but I do love them! Each one of them is good for different reasons. Bikes for relatively cheap speed, amazing sounds, the feeling of freedom and being one with the machine. Cars for better safety (which allows you to push more), mid-corner grip (which is a great feeling) and the different kinds of fun you can have (fast driving vs drifting).
it would be interesting to see how the McLaren would do with slicks on it.
Autocar - "if you're a car driver ... weep".
2 wheels always rule :)
18T220 True but a F1 car doesn't even get close to a road car.
It think this video is a great comparison
18T220 Want F1 performance for
Want better than F1 performance for < 20k, get a Super Kart with a 250cc two stroke, handles better and most track records that allow them to run are set by them.
Dave Morgan Not street legal, and not at all usable. The beauty of a superbike is I can go faster than just about everything on wheels, but still ride to work on monday.
***** lol, no. Bikes use launch and traction control systems. An F1 car doesn't, yet still can do 0-200kph-0 in under 6 seconds. And even a family car can beat a Moto GP bike in stopping.
Couldn't give a fuck if an F1 car beats a bike around a track. Im never going to get to drive one -same as all the people mentioning them here.
I can however ride a fast bike daily for less than 5k
They're saying that a full on track bike/ supercar comparison is apples to oranges. But your assessment about the performance return on investment for the bike is spot on.
I am VERY surprised at the bikes cornering speeds :O
Here's one for the FWD haters. Front engine FWD touring car faster than a mid engine RWD supercar :p
***** So how does that FWD touring car stack up against the GT3 version of that RWD supercar? You don't have to answer, it's rhetorical.
why is it every video a bike spanks a car all the car fans come out with 'oh what about a f1 car' a f1 car is a bloody prototype with masses of aero that helps it get round the corners, bikes do not have that. take the aero off the f1 so its a fair test and they will be 30 seconds a lap slower than they are now.
F1 without aero tech won't even finish the race, it will crash. They explain how it works in top gear.
Filipe Gonçalves not technically true, wouldn't be anywhere near as fast though
Because people are unrealistic and of course butthurt.
Warren552011 yeah it takes a hell of a lot more talent to get the bike going quick, not quite as much with the car
Warren552011 yeah I agree to take the bike to 90% but then the last 10 is more about balls than anything else. if you cant push the bike to its limits then you wont be as fast as someone that will
It's the the tires. You can't compare road tires to racing tires.
5:45 "And fucked McLaren by 7 seconds"
Thumped
"If you are a car driver, weep." This line had me rolling...
Guys, i'm going to be a new rider soon. Do you think this Honda Fireblade british super bike would make a good first motorcycle? I want a bike I can properly go with which is why I don't want to start with anything slower than 0-60 in 3 seconds. I do have some experience on bike, I sat on my friend's zx10r one time in front of walmart. I think I am competent enough as long as I just respect the throttle. /s
+HeroDanny Worng idea Dude.
Take care of your life.
Good luck
+HeroDanny Send me an invite to your funeral dude. gotta be trolling
+HeroDanny I have a fireblade and a Hayabusa. I'd probably say the Busa is a little more user friendly for a first bike..
look. if this is your first time on a 1000cc bike. dont do it!! start with entry level bike 250cc, get used to the bike, practice your riding and connering skills first before upgrade to big bikes. you may end up crashing if you dont know what you are doing. i have seen many riders just jump on a liter bike and end up injured because they lack the riding skills. the power and speed of a liter bike is totally different amd will catch you of guard
+HeroDanny
Sitting on your mates bike outside Walmart is an OK place for gaining experience. Let me give you a tip though, don't forget to put the stand down otherwise your bike will fall over when you go into the coffee shop
For the record… Last year at Motegi twin ring, both super gt and motogp were help on the same track… The fastest lap for the motogp was a 1:45.7, the fastest lap for gt300 was a 1:48.2 and the fastest lap for a gt500 was a 1:41.4… Keep in mind that the twin ring circuit has 5 fairly long straights for the bikes to stretch their legs
For something you can drive on the road, superbikes are king, but on a track when you get slicks on an aero assisted car, all you need is about 400hp at ~1150kg w/aero to keep up with a motogp bike
For the value motogp bikes will be the most bang for your buck, but I kind of like to have a roll cage protecting me when I hit a wall ;)
Let's get something out of the way; all supercars are cool, the McLaren is very capable around a track (even on road tyres), the BTCC Civic demonstrates what can be done with a limited capacity engine, good engineering, tyres and areo (it's not a slow car as some claim on here). The BSB superbike has no electronic aids to control wheel-spin, wheelies or braking, only slick tyres (rules of the series) and the Honda Fireblade wasn't the fastest BSB bike in 2013, so Alex Lowes on a World Superbike (with electronics) would have set a faster time. For all of those that 'Hate' on bikes, have a think about the skill and balls involved in riding one fast on track or a twisty, country road!
+iamfozzy100 slap some racing slicks on a road bike, it would be about as quick. lets not forget also "a tight twisting track " favours the car, goto a straighter 1. it would prob win still.
Why even bother with this test when there are so many differences. Slick tyres versus road tyres and a BTCC top driver against a nobody. Also, the 'not gigantic' weight difference of 220kg… 220kg?!?! You put an extra 40kg in a car and there will be a noticeable cornering difference at high speed. Go home Autocar, you're drunk.
I'm surprise the British Touring car was only 2.3 seconds behind the Superbike. I'm not putting them down but for a top racing series Touring cars are not very fast. But they do some pretty exiting racing
it all comes to 1 single number hp per ton
civic has 280hp/ton
superbike has 1200hp/ton (a bit less with the rider ofc)
A DTM car would have killed it!
You kind of contradicted yourself there.YoYou're surprised the civic was only 2.3 seconds behind the bike, then say they aren't very fast. For a 2.0L turbo with high restrictions, that's pretty damn fast. Miles faster than a roughly 600bhp street car.
Mustachos m dtm cars are essentially prototypes with carbon tub and a body shell around it...basically an F1 with a cover. Ofc they are much faster
The never ending race between two and four wheels always ends with the two wheels taking the lead, and it makes sense due to weight ratio. Bikes rules...
Should not slag off the McLaren. It isn't supposed to be faster than racing vehicles.
Yup racing vehicles are in a totally different world
Two wheels will always win.
@IngeniousFirefly yes
If the level of skill is greater
@@zachrankin429 very true
Love it! Great last line...
Oh hey Crumble, good to see you back :)
It's amazing how much tire technology has improved in the last 10 years. That BTCC car still should out brake the bike, but tires have enabled bikes to carry so much more corner speed than before.
The McLaren would need 1700 HP to match the bike
Awesome machines all, but I thrill to watch the bike and it's rider.I get nothing watching people driving...nada...zip.
Love the number breakdown at the end.
Nice video.
Next one Ferarri FXX K vs Suter MMX 500 each with equivalent top level driver/rider!
two stoke king of sound
lol this is nothing go check out the isle man to see the true performance of a motorcycle
what about an f1 driver in the car of his choice against a tt motorcycle rider on the isle of man,me thinks an f1 driver would bottle it. Bike wins!! Car wankers!!
hmmmm actually.....that would be a tough one to call but yeah i do think the bike would win because it can corner faster....buuuuut i would say it'd come out pretty close
***** so? either way motorcycles still get it done!
The 2 wheeled bike is faster than the 4 wheel car, thus, there are a lot of bike riding hoodlums lurk in the streets of Manila waiting for their victim to do a criminal act and their get away vehicle is a 2-wheeled 75cc. moped. Cops don't have a slight chance of catching those hoods.
A very entertaining piece of video. And that is all it is, just entertainment which should not be taken too seriously!
Badco. :)
I'm really surprised the bike was able to corner harder than the touring car
I think it would have been a better comparison if the McLaren was wearing some slick tires as well.
I guess this explains the poor resale value for the MP4-12C...entry level super car.
The fastest lap a street legal bike has done on the Nurburgring Nordschleife is 7min 10sec. Fastest street legal car Radical SR8LM 6min 48sec. Anyway, on a fast track, the situation will be different. I'm sure that on Monza a street car willl get "murdered". Now talking about purpose built racers: On most tracks a MotoGP (a prototype) bike is still miles away in terms of performance from a LMP1 (LeMans Prototype1), nevermind a Formula1 car.
They are built for different purposes and the bike will for sure generate a bigger rush.
To ride a bike on the TT race u need balls so big that will generate their own gravity.
This debate is pointless! Here is the facts. A road bike is faster than a road car, even the most average sport bike beats even the best road car (Veyron Supersport) check 1/4 mile times.... A production race bike beats a production car as shows in this video and others (production rules do not allow the use of wings, in which case the car may win) A pure prototype race bike (gp bike) does not beat a pure prototype race car (F1 car) around a track due to the fact the car uses wings and the bike still maintains a road going format (general shape and dimensions) However in a strait line the gp bike is the fastest circuit machine in the world, circuit speed traps and data logging from both f1 car and gp bike show the bike accelerates far quicker and with higher top speeds. End of discussion.
Advatages
Accelaration: Motorcycle by far
Conering speed: probably Automobile a little
Braking: Automobile(Motocycle has structural limitation. And cars have better tire grips.You can't just put bigger brakes on a motorcycle. You must make sure it doesn't tumble)
Calde Ailis Yes, in braking, always a car wins!
pfft...I can do that.... here... hold my beer.
***** Do what exactly??
PotatoVEVO are you illiterate? It clearly says THAT in his comment. Duh
PotatoVEVO He is obviously talking about the superbike since it takes massive skills to ride it like that + his motorcycle profile.
D Jnsen
For the record, this was a joke. I can't ride like that guy. : )
***** Obvious joke is obvious ;)
Ok car and bike fanboys, LISTEN UP.
Moto Gp Silverstone Qualifying record Last Year, 2'00.69 - Marquez btw
British GT Championship (GT3 Spec cars, NOT the faster GT2 or 1) - 2:02.600
So, the fastest bikes round a track in the world , Moto GP, are slightly quicker than a GT3 race car, but certainly slower than a GT1 Car. Now STFU and stop arguing, both are great.
lol. the mclaren is on street tire...the other two are on racing slick tires......what comparsion
+luckyyu2004 Civic is twice the cost of the McLaren.
+luckyyu2004 Cld be interesting the mclaren was on some slicks or super sports or P zero Corsa's.
+luckyyu2004 The bike just has two wheels! so almost no grip in comparison to the cars. And still incredible fast in the corners
+Lupo874 The racing slicks are the reason the bike is so fast, without them it would be 5-10 seconds a lap slower.
+andy elliott So would the Honda car, you cant argue that a bike is slower because it has the same tyres, you also got to remember, ona bike you already have less than half the grip of a car, so the Honda car would be even further behind.
The main problem with bikes is you need talent and the lack of safety can hold you back a lot. I love bikes, I've ridden bikes all my life but I know for sure I could closer to the pro-driver BTCC times with a BTCC car than close to Lowes' times on his same SBK machine
Bikes are MUCH harder to handle than cars
Increase power of the Honda to 600hp, and it's bye bye bike.
And the bike is practically the most extreme you can get a bike. A MotoGP bike wouldn't be considerably faster. But when it comes to 4 wheels, there's a massive difference between the cars used here, and a F1 car.
When it comes to 2 wheels vs 4 wheels, without rules and restrictions, 4 wheels DESTROYS 2 wheels.
A BSB bike and a MotoGP bike no considerable difference wtf lol? You clearly know F all about bikes!
The bike is a street bike modified under tight regulations just like the Honda. The BMW HP4 or Ducati Panigale R would have trounced the cars in similar fashion and those are unmodified, street legal bikes. The gap between the McLaren and a regular car is wider than the gap between a BSB bike and its production equivalent.
***** just because the motogp bikes are faster top end and have 30bhp more doesn't make them that much faster round a track, a track as small as that layout at rockingham it'll probably be about a second a lap but then motogp bikes are full on prototypes and bsb are production bikes which have to remain close to stock
paul torton It's not that power that make MotoGP bikes faster, it's the combination of the electronics and rider.
its not electronics or riders as superbikes have the same electronics and quite a few riders come from superbikes. motogp bikes are complete prototypes have more power, less weight and so many trick bits superbikes aint allowed to run because its suppose to be production based
£350000 for a front wheel drive touring car , where do they get there prices from ?.They may well save the money and race road legal Mclarens ,be lot more exiting than a converted front wheel drive shopping car .Put slicks on that Mclaren and tweek the probably supplied adjustatable suspension and it should be able to P#ss all over that honda ,its not far off twice the hp more or less the same weight and should have a lot more torque
It's simple physics that a bike will always win unless you're going past the sound barrier.
Nope it isn't. Greetings from a bike-enthusiast ;)
different tract, different opponents, bike doesnt sdant a chance..
eternyman Bikes will almost always win if the race is under 250mph. Drag races are different and so are speed records.
Paul Mauser Fastest circuit bikes can't handle corners as fast as fastest cars..
eternyman Bikes will always corner better as well. Just look at Motogp they have 64 degree lean angles from upright. Formula 1 i the only comparison.
A 200kg weight difference "isn't massive"?! It's HUGE. You could put the bike in the Civic and it would still weigh less than the McLaren...
Besides, road v race car comparisons aren't worth doing unless both are on the same kind of tyres.
Put some track tires on the McLaren and than things might change quite a bit.
You won't gain 7 seconds with only tires.... Its a huge margin! You might gain half a sec and that is at BEST. The McLaren already comes with very aggressive street tires right from the factory. You will need to dismember the car and make dramatic changes to the weight, drivetrain, suspension and brakes to gain 7 seconds. And even with all the changes you can do.... 7 seconds is a huge difference.
ToxicReaper7
I think you put some sticky Hoosiers and set up the suspension a little more for a track setting, you'd see quite a difference. The McLaren is an incredible road car.
***** McLaren puts top of the line street tires already on there super cars. They have ultra high performance summer tires on the car already. They are sticky as hell for street tires. Slicks are going to make a difference compared to street tires that is for sure. But not as much as you claim. Do you realize how big of a difference even 5 seconds is in racing? It would greatly improve the time im sure. But I would have to see it to believe it when it comes to 5-7 seconds gains around a track with only a tire swap from already very potent tires. But hey.... That's just my opinion.
only .5seconds is a ludicrous underestimation
Steve Sutcliffe is a very handy driver, I doubt there was much in it when Sheddon drove the McClaren. However, if you put a decent road rider on the bike he ( or she ) would be miles off the pace of a pro. In my experience VERY few road riders get anywhere near the potential of their bikes, the fact is a good sports road bike will corner as fast in steady state curves as a rapid sports car, be massively quicker under acceleration ( this side of a Veyron ). The car will counter with vastly better braking and direction changes. For obvious reasons this makes it very hard to pass a quick bike on the road unless your prepared to take a chance with oncoming traffic braking into a bend...
If the McLaren was setup with equivalent track tires and a slightly track oriented suspension setup it would no doubt gain most of the 5s difference. Putting a showroom stock road car on a track is nothing more than a way to damage the tires.
An F1 car will destroy any bike! BUT the TT races are probably the most ball breakingly fearsome race in the world where I believe no car experience could ever deliver just due to the nature of riding on two wheels
end of the day ... id still never risk my life on the limit in a bike despite this fact
It's sad you will have to miss out on some of the most exilerating stuff on the planet yhough, but it's your choice off course :-)
Just damn good fun there. However, that is one extraordinarily fast motorcycle. Then again, so are both of those cars. Bike wins.
If only the Mclaren was on racing tyres
needs double the horsepower BUT *if only the Mclaren was on racing tires would it then be fair. rolf foh
max speed turn 1 might be wrong. bike's faster
A Honda Civic Touring car got withing 2 secs of a superbike.
If the Superbike had more power it would hardly go any quicker.
If the Civic were ALLOWED to pump out more power it would just walk all over it.
Bikes are mental but fast for lap times they are not, they never were.
As for the McLaren it's all down to tires simple as that.
No aero no nothing, just slicks making most of the diffrence on the racetrack as long as the brakes can last a few laps.
typical pussy car guy response
this video is about a fair comparison between 2 vehicle that has mutual advantage and disadvantage
car that has 4 big fat tyres but lower power to weight ratio vs bike that's vice versa
pussy car guy usually bang on taking away all the disadvantage of car(adding more power,more grip,less weight,aero pack) and leave all the disadvantage on bike,then expect to win with dignity
Zeta Lin The only typical thing here is another butt hurt biker.
What I said above stands, women don't know bikes are slow as fuck so you still have a chance to get laid.
Zeta Lin Lol
your mom's
oh yes, YOUR MOM'S!!!
i've been saying this for a long long time now, car drivers have absolutely NO idea how fast these things are, bikes i mean, I've seen coultless videos on here and articles in car mags, and the bikes are just way ahead, nevermind bringing in the F1 topic cos nobody has one of them, let alone has the skill to drive one, i'm talking everyday vehicles we as jo public can go and buy, the bike in terms of value per mph will always win
Round a track
F1 vs moto GP = fair and F1 wins,
GP2 vs British super bike = fair and GP2 wins
Fast road car vs fast road bike = fair and car wins
The magazine that put on this show knows the lap times for all 3 before they started. SO instead of doing it properly they just like to play the car vs bike trick to drive views.... Haha
You are right on the first two. Not on the last.
There are many variables, but my money are 100% on the street legal sportbike vs a streetlegal sportscar. This has been tested many times and in all the fair tests I've seen the bike has won convincingly.
mocioclistu Just look at Nurburgring times. Production cars are in the 6 minute range now, road legal bikes have yet to break 7 minutes.
Thats because motorcycles are banned from going for the lap record at the Ring. Fastest moto lap times are done by amateurs riding with traffic. And they still go faster than 95% of the fast cars there.
A paid pro with an empty track could do a lot better. But we will never know unless they allow one to try it.
*****
lol the only bike on record is a 2005 yamaha r1 which done a 7:50, let me repat 2005 lol. Can you imagine a bmw s1000rr hp4, if you don't know what that is search it up on m5board, its famous now for its speed, it wheelies faster 30-120kmh faster then a bugatti but is great on corners :)
*****
Wrong. The fastest time for a bike is 7:10, that was posted by a 2005 R1, but that R1 was tuned specifically for Nurburgring.
And 7:50 is nothing impressive, there were tuned cars in 1997 posting those times, let me repeat, 1997!
thumbs up if you think they should do this again but this time with a P1 GTR instead of a 12c? or even a P1 please :)
I never knew bikers could talk such shit. I just read hundreds of comments where they were all careful to avoid the point. Take the ultimate bike and the ultimate car, put them on a track and the bike might as well have pedals for all the chance it has of winning. Yet, every time anyone has mentioned putting an F1 car against the ultimate bike, rather than try to talk up the bikes chances, all these cyclists just start arguing over which IS the best bike. Well, that's not the issue; that's you changing the subject. And the performance advantage will only continue to increase, since nobody in a car is having to hang on for dear life.
so bike beat everything on four wheel except a F1,and you shit the people who say bike should take the credit
how bout comparing bike to a top fuel dragster?it will smokes a bike no doubt, but can u take a F1 or dragster to race on pubic road? i know track bike can,it has normal ground clearance as road bike
If you want to know which is the better format, you take the best of each. Yes. "BEST" does not mean value for money, cheap, practical, or any such thing. In his case, best means getting around the track in the shortest possible time. It's a race. The video is about a race. If it were about practicality...well, I never shagged my girlfriend on the back of a moving bike.
who say this is about the best format?you?
the video is to make an interesting comparison,between something that has lower power/weight ratio but tons of grip vs something that has high power/weight ratio but razor thin grip surface. such comparison only make sense as this give us an idea which extreme produce superior results under mutual advantage/disadvantage.
F1 has none of the disadvantage of a real car while motogp has ALL the disadvantage of a real bike, only a pussy loser would want a comparison like this,win without dignity
how can you compare an F1 car to anything you can buy ? you can't. get a grip bikes will ALWAYS win
It doesn't MATTER what you can and can't buy. The simple fact is: 4 wheels is a better format for faster lap-times than 2. Even F1 cars are nowhere NEAR the ultimate. Just think of all the advances that have been banned from it. Engine capacity is constantly being reduced, and there is a MINIMUM weight, so ballast has to be added. Of course you are going to get more performance for your money from a bike than a car. But you can get more performance out of 4 wheels than two.
I love motorbikes and I love cars, but I also love motorbikes too.
;)
F1 > Superbike.
Yes on a track the 5 million pound car (not including R&D) will beat the £60000 bike, but the reality is my daily road legal superbike will outrun just about anything on the roads...
And the difference...i own a super bike, do you own a super car ?
ratbike rider I don't race on the roads, so I don't really care what happens there. My car can get me to the speed limit, and that's all I need.
I'm talking about track performance. Racing on streets is dumb, all those bikers colliding with traffic at 300 km/h is just Darwin at work. I'd rather race on a track where it's safer for me and everyone around me if I crash.
Street racing is immature and dangerous, especially when you involve other people in your screw-ups.
Lol in other words ....No you dont.
ratbike rider In other words, bikes are slower.
Awwwww reality is a cruel mistress,
When a car can lap the IOM circuit at an impressive speed then i might care.
Short circuit track racing car or bike bores me.
A perfect road surface with predictable traction and wide sweeping corners.... its mild entertainment at best.
Road racing is what separates the men from the boys.
Annoying calling bell rings through out the whole video on a fairly even interval! Or am I the only one who heard it? It was really annoying.
To settle the ultimate bike vs ultimate car debate, just look at the lap times of MotoGP and F1 when they race the same circuit. F1 cars are around 30 seconds per lap quicker meaning they would lap a MotoGP bike in a four lap race!
schumifan78 motogp has little to none aero work. An f1 car the aero does everything. Take it away and the f1 car can't even make it around the track.
Superbike is pretty much the same as road bike. because there's bottleneck for bike to increase corner speed.
F1 vs MotoGP...hmmm...F1 would clearly win, but would it be 20x better? Hell no. That's the basic difference in expense to develop an F1 car versus a MotoGP bike.
hahaha wonder how it feels to know you have wasted 200 grand...
it's clear bike not good in corner speed, but very fast in straight line.
I freaked out when he said the superbike’s making 200hp. But then I realized it’s 7 years old. In 2021 every liter bike comes 195hp+ stock, some 200 from the factory, 215 with a full system exhaust. Incredible
Get the Venom GT out there or the SSC Ultimate Aero TT with some sticky street tires. It would Be a different race. Venom GT 1200hp, 2738lbs (1241kg), Ultimate Aero 1283hp, 2850lbs (1292kg). That's almost 1000hp per ton!!
Good luck laying down that level of power effectively.
Moto gp bike is the ultimate bike! Not this Fireblade which isn't that far off a road going bike apart from some trick parts. Moto Gp vs a F1 car now that'd be a fair race because it's the best of the best. Even though I'm a biker i'd still put my money on the F1 car.
Now I know why the motorcycle makers limit the max speed of it's bikes to 189 MPH. They would make most sportscars eat dust. Only a Bugatti Veyron would not be bypassed by a suberbike.
The bugatti does get passed by a superbike. Watch it race a BMW S1000RR, gets beaten, then a H2R its embarrassed.
+Sam Grattan Yup. The only thing that beat the H2R was a highly modified GTR.
Theres isn't technology to make a motorcycle tire go over that speed, staying safe, it can melt like chocolate at those speeds
sorry but almost all superbikes have killed bugatti
LOL S1000RR gapped 1200 HP Veyron SS so badly 😂😂😂 Veyron got dropped
H2R LOL Gapped Veyron so bad can't explain
I would like to see the same test but on a wet track or better in heavy rain!
Pointless...if you are even a slight fan of btcc or bsc you would know even before the verdict that the mclaren is outclassed. Do videos which are less obvious.
mclaren was just to show road vs race car difference, not to race them
I had a passenger ride in Andrew jordan's civic last year (same car basically as the works civic) around Donington and the performance is on another level to what you would expect from a FWD car. Can only imagine the performance of the supertouer's from the 90's
Bikes are always going to be superior against for wheels,except like an F1 car which will murder any bike on a track any day of the week.
Well an F1 car is a million dollar prototype race car of course it'll beat any production car but only few expensive production cars can maybe beat or challenge the common superbike
The comparision videos you do are very good Autocar, certainly solves the dilemmas we have I. The corner of our minds.
As always you take bike racers and a car racers and have them swap seats. The car racers will make relative fools of themselves panicking in the corners on the bike.
shedden has ridden a bike that won the IOM TT round Knockhill, he's no mug
"its a very hot day"....
how old is this video?
Ultima GTR 1000 would be a good shout or a radical :).
Great video! Alex Lowes is an absolute legend!
The sound of that btcc car is awesome!!
Interesting.
MP4-12c vs Civic Touring Car vs Sam Lowes on his Official BSB CBR 1000cc.
I wont tell you the results. Enjoy.
***** I like Alex was told by the presenter to go full song, so they could keep up !
Just think if HRC provided Alex with the Full creme & 8 sugars #TSR F.C.C CBR or the H.A.R.C Pro CBR that the ran at this years #Suzuka8Hour ! That would have been another 2 seconds faster again! Also they run them beasts on near as dammit MotoGP spec Bridgestones & the best Showa / Nissin combo's going. Given a few laps to settle in the new bike & Lowes would have made them look like they were in reverse !
Good fun video by Autocar , as alway, well produced & not biased at all.
Whoa 100,000 Euros bike? Is the difference between a stock fireblade and this even worth that much? Give me 20,000 Euros and I'm sure I can modify and tune any fireblade to very close to this one.
Again, this not a price comparison. The touring car and bike are build to compete in a very specific class, and they are modified to take every little bit of advantage they can get within the specified rules, and that is expensive.
Lol mate £20,000 wouldnt even buy you a set of factory forks or a decent electronics package.
galaxything lol "mate" I said I could tune a stock fireblade close to a factory superbike with that money. Quoting directly from the bsb website: "Superbike racing motorcycles are derived from standard production models and differ only slightly from the sports bikes you see on the roads."
604G1K Agree with you, engine work, carbon wheels.
ohyeahtotally08 I'm pretty sure that Honda would be very happy if they could build a bike that was "close" to BSB spec for as little as £20k, It depends on your definition of close, though. Just watch a typical privateer BSB racer, riding round at the back of the grid at 2 or 3 seconds of the pace any given week. That's what £20k buys you.
200kg is pretty gigantic
were is the fucking place the bike cost 100k??? and the mclaren cost 195k??? only 95k betwen both?? lol... in my country mclaren costs around 3milion and a bike costs 60k...
It is a British Superbike, a full racebike (with production based restrictions), hand built by Honda factory mechanics- not a bike you can buy at the local shop. The Mac is a road car that you can buy at a shop.
In what country does an MP4 cost 3 million?
Brazil dude everything here is 3x more expensive and we have bad payments
larcenylukas 3,000,000/195k = 15.4 x more expensive.
MoreThanExpected1 its Brasil... dont trust people when they say Brasil is good and etc.. cause its not... we are poor and the law here only work for good people, criminals do what they want
Sure get the racing Superbike which is the king of the hill in terms of Bike competition and campare it to BTCC car, which is just the race version of hatchback and stock medium supercars, why not due the same next time while doing it in reverse, get an F1 car vs a Race scooter and a medium sportbike for example a 600CC, yup the results would not be as obvious I think the scooter would win in that case....
Superbikes are far from king of the hill in the bike world.
Superbikes are just modified streetbikes just like the touring car is a modified streetcar. Far closer in fact to its street legal version than the BTCC car is.
MotoGP are the equivalent of F1 in the bike world and to summarize the difference in the simplest way.
Factory Superbike $100K to $250k
Factory GP bike $3million+
They are not far from being the king of the hill for bikes they are pretty close as they are about 2s slower than the fastest MotoGP (I agree that MotoGP>Superbike simply because MotoGP bikes are prototypes where as the Superbike are based on production models but the big difference which is the main cause for the chrono difference is weight regulation)
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On a 2 min lap not it is not much, the difference between an F1 and a BTCC Car on a 2 min lap is at least 40s
InitialDAmine British superbikes are definitely not within of 2 seconds from the fastest motogp bikes. Not even close. WSBK bikes would be closer as they have around 230hp and they also have the best possible suspension.
F1 would destroy all bikes in lap times. You just can't have the same cornering speed with 2 wheel and no aero. On the straight line motogp bikes win the F1's with a decent margin.
Except 2 corners the BTCC car and McLaren were very close. I'm surprised that the bike had a faster speed than the cars through the corners (except one were it was slower).
Too the people arguing the best car vs best bike. Isn't a F1 "car" actually a go kart ?
You don't need an F1 car to beat a bike. Saw a tuned r34 eat a bike for lunch around a race track and it wasn"t some 1000hp monster either. But why waste time arguing we all know the bike will be more fun...
Omri H Tuned car vs tuned bike would be fare
Give the Honda a straight then your see
+Grant Osborne Exactly, the Honda Fireblade would be way further ahead xD Should have specified which Honda.
at the end of the day, who cares about the motorbike being the fastest, we'd all drive the mp4-12c home anyday :)
No only the people who can afford it. The rest of us just go home on £5000 bike that's just as fast and in my opinion more fun.
thecarbonhornet s
im not saying if we can afford one or not, im saying if they gave us an option to take one home, im sure most will take the mp4-12c
Yeah i would take it. Then sell it to buy a small house, a bike and a reasonable car to get around.
I really like how it goes with Autocar these days, melting various arguments and discussions but not for the sake of it but for the fun. And while we have seen some reviews that was slightly to biased it certainly is not like that anymore - Big ups Autocar and thanks ;)
stupid****** głupie nudne -NIE PODOBA MI SIĘ+++mclaren+f1 da się zrozumieć ale motor to głupie-bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee joł tu MARCEL-ziomek-graficiarz
One blink, of one eye! So, a wink then.
You take full blown INDY car against the BIKE and it will be very equal trust me but the INDY CAR will hang corners much faster BIG BIG BIG CONTACT PATCH and brute horse power watch few videos and in the straights INDY CAR will lay waste to even the fastest superbike on Earth BRUTE POWER!
I could not care less about the car v bike arguments but if you want to compare the machines and not the skill of the drivers and rider use 3 pros not 2 and give them all race tyres
2 huge differences right there that would have made the comparison consistent, I would expect the McLaren to beat the BTCC car
BIKE, PRO RIDER RACE TYRES
BTCC PRO DRIVER RACE TYRES
McLaren j Journalist RACE TYRES his brakes went off too, i hope he had the Ceramic upgrades!
Interesting as an exercise in showing relative speed
I am surprised everyone has jumped straight to F1. If you want something to compare to a superbike in terms of cost and lap time, a 250cc national kart producing around 65hp (given a decent driver) can be faster round most UK tracks than all the BSB boys. Cadwell Park for instance, 1.24.xxx race lap for the kart as opposed to an outright lap record of 1.26.xxx for BSB. Some are available on the BSK website for under £5000.
Not to mention the division 1 250 twins with 90hp.
The real question is: why isn't everyone karting?
better driver in the mclaren plz
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If that bike was Marc on his MotoGP Honda then the time difference would have been about 5-6 secs over the Touring Car.
This is brilliant, love these car vs bike videos!