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Power of dreams Honda is the best
own a s2000 and drove the civic r, is a great car. honda rules.
even better with boost :-P
This just goes to show how good Honda engineering is. To get that kind of performance out of a 4 cylinder is amazing. Ain't VTEC great?
This is a bloody good example of the difference between claimed performance and actual driving. According to the numbers it's no contest, on the road it's a completely different story.
I'll take the Honda.
yeah right bitch if you had the choice to choose now inreal life r8 or honda you would kick the honda in the ocean
No bitch... if someone would give me the chance to choose, I would take the R8 sell it and buy that Civic, or probably some older car, like a Toyota AE86 I really love those cars!
***** hmm just dont say you would buy the s2000 cause i hate that car :p
Actually the S2000 isn't bad, but what I like the most in it is the engine.
***** yeah engine is great but i hate the looks of the s2000 its to cute in my eyes for such a good car.
I do not drive Honda nor Audi. I have a C36. But my wife has an Audi A4 and my daughter a Civic with a VTECH engine. God only know how many times the Audi had to be taken to the dealer for some reason or anther. Even the electric window winders had to be all changed apart from the weird number of ball joints at the front which failed from time to time. The Civic ..Never Never Never. It is dam reliable apart from that the engine pulls the car so easily, its like being free to go and accelerate anytime, any speed, anywhere. Honda remain the most advanced engines and without compromising reliability. In this comparison you have a standard Honda 2000 cc Engine 4 cylinder no turbo £30K and amazingly this Honda 4 cylinder can easily keep up with an Audi 5000 cc (more than double the capacity) and 10, yes it need 10 cylinders and £100K. So can you imagine what Honda or Mercedes can give you for 100,000. That audi Is a rip off to me.
Jm Bh 100,000 old mercedes is same shit as audi , hm maybe better but i can clearly see you are mercedes fan .
COSECCO Hi, hope you are well. I was not a Mercedes man. From age 21 till age 50, I always believed in Alfa Romeo. My first car an Alfasud 1.5ti with autodelta race kit (webbers and cam) which I raced. But at age 50 I needed a diesel car to do loads of miles overland and I was told to buy a second hand 190 Diesel which I did. This car proved to be dam reliable, extremely confortable and absorbs the bumps incredibly well and the road holding since I do not drive slow is not just excellent but extremely predictable and incredibly good. After 5 years we all could see that all our new cars which we garage every night too, had problems and had to be taken in from time t time. The Mercedes was always left outside, it started every day with out fail and never needed anything nothwitstanding the miles which I used to do. The C class which I bought after this was bullet proof too but the steering box was gone and rack and pinion took over instead which I changed after 122,000 on the C Class. The 190 still goes with all original parts and it has 189,000 miles now,
oh okay . i did not asked you for this but thank you for describing me the old Mercedes C class . I belive it extremly reilable car . i remember i saw a post where they were showing the top 10 cars with over 100 000 km and few mercedeses were on the top but few audis aswell . maybe it just counts for the 2005-2010 audis
Jm Bh ,i won't buy another Audi for the rest of my life . i had all kind of problems with my Audi SUV. Thanks, to the maker of Vtec ,i have an MDX for almost 3 years ,no brakes, steering ,powertrain and sensors problems.I just change motor oil every time my oil life shows 10%.German vehicles are extremely unreliable
lloyd Y Benwa I agree 100%. If you want reliability there is no doubt in my mind that Japanese are the most reliable. We bought Toyota Yaris as company cars. They are dam reliable and they have all the conveniences, you name it, they have it. Honda & Toyota are exceptionally reliable.
Wellll the R8 has about 300hp over the type R!! I would hope in a stretch it would loose the type R atleast a lil lol... Theres nothing better than Honda Power.. that type R its sick
How stupid are people on these comments? The moral of this video is that you don't need a powerful expensive car to have a fun driving experience, it's like people who buy a 1000cc motorbike and can barely go past 3-4k RPM without worrying about the front tyre popping up, yet they still claim to have more fun thrashing around a 250~400cc motorbike.
The Honda actually did really well and I'm impressed how it handles those corners, obviously once the straight opened up it lost it, but to be fair look at the price comparisons, imagine spending the price difference on that Honda, it would absolutely destroy that R8.
Wow I'm shocked. I didn't think I'd find someone who's smart and not a jerkoff in these comments. At least you get it .
Ufc _ TH-cam comments are a disease
No one decides what is fun for someone else you shitarded clown.
At the end of the day, theres hardly any any car companies that can mix performance with total reliability. Honda can, Audi, VW, BMW etc cannot. Simple. Yes we all like to drive a R8 but people need to get real. Hondas are a great and sensible choice. Those who can afford 400-600 quid servicing bills from BMW need their brains testing.
Honda are one of the most reliable car manufacture in the world...
Oh sorry I thought you said Honda can't haha
Well, that comment is nonsense.
At the end of the day, you want the R8.
What is it about Honda's that make you guys so emotional...
That would be very annoying going for a quick drive in the R8 and seeing a pesky hatchback all over your tail thinking their faster than you.
@Daniel wut?
Top Gear = Professional Idiots
Autocar = Totally idiots
Maybe they try to do comparison like lambo vs evo FQ400 on top gear, but this one? Rubbish!
Random Spot They ARE idiots, or at least acting like idiots. And that's why we love them.
Audi R8 lawan AYLA aja deh :v
ngePOOR 3 kilo hahaha
I know what happened here. It all makes sense. VTEC didnt kick in yo.
+John Mead R's other six cylinders didn't kick in-wait
The reason why the Mugen is expensive beacause....They are rare. Not many of them are built when ever they build them. Its a Honda yeah....But its been through Mugen tuner hands and makes it from a production car to very very limited run build....Its common sense people.
Alright, but its still way overpriced imho. Whats a base si cost? 24k or somewhere around there? Asain manufactuers are just flipped haha, like the lfa, 450k?! I mean really???
People still buy them. Like Cadillac...They actually suck as a sports car. Like not a opinion they just really do. But people still think their great and buy them. Nismo 400R only 44 made go for over 100k a car.
ross burton They are limited edition collectibles. The prices on them will not drop only get higher. And Toyota actually loses money each time an LFA was built.
Marcello Wheeler Yes the LFA looses money every time its sold, this is due to toyota completely scrapping a fully designed car, they were not satisfied, twice! the LFA entered the market having to cover the production costs of three separate and unique supercars attached to it. no car could be profitable in this scenario, in conclusion, a lot of respect to Toyota for building the car they wanted rather than a car that would make them money.
ross burton
Toyota as a company simply do not run on the basis of the production of IFA's. It is a simple advertisement for their engineering standard.
next time compare cup of noodles to an xbox 360 controller. They both exist and nobody has ever done a comparison on them before
lol
brilliant
Pretty sure you can't eat an Xbox Controller.
made my day
fucking laugh me to death XDDD
Well, you just need to wait till the Audi brakes down, which doesn't take long just as the other crap from Volkswagen. In difference to Failwagen/Audi you can drive the Honda on and on without worries of expensive repairs. Thats the secret of Japanese Quality in comparision to German slave labour.
People like you are the issue with the car world. I've had two Volkswagen's one was a 1.8T Passat with 350hp that lasted for 250k miles and am currently on a Jetta that is at 75k miles both I have had almost no issues with. The issue is how you take care of it. It's simple if you take care of the car it will work for a long time plain and simple, I also know many people with high horsepower volkswagens and audis doing 100k miles.
Nope, the issue with the car world are companies that set marketing before quality. I know a lot of dissatisfied Volkswagen and Audi drivers, who got nothing but problems with their cars. Do a search for DSG or 1.2l / 1.4l TSI issues, you'll find plenty. If you're searching for German quality, Mercedes Benz is your friend.
www.maxrev.de/files/2013/02/thumbs/t_2013_02_03_12_38_21_honda_and_toyota_top_the_engine_reliability_ratings__motoring_news__honest_joh.png
Before you become a grammar Nazi, it might help you to research on how reliable these companies are. Greetings from Germany.
its preference....
www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100 just under half of the top 100 are Japanese and a handful are German. Speaks for itself really.
I'd love to own that Civic Mugen Type R. It seems like such a fun car to drive. I used to own a modded R34 V Spec GTR with almost 500hp at the wheels and while it was really fast and beat everything on the road, I later learned that I enjoyed more simple cars. I now own a Lotus Elise and it's not the fastest car on the road, but it's so enjoyable to blast around in. I have more fun in it than the GTR.
Yes, yes, yes.
I regularly push 911 GT3s (strange wave of those around my area) and non-turbos to actually work hard. Turbos all seem to be heavily modified...they see me in the mirror and well BOOST kicks in and they walk me like I'm standing still.
I love it. I love that guys with such fantastic cars both par taking with me. Keep it up my fellow car guys!
Fantastic sound coming out if the Civic, brilliant car!!
I think Type-Rs are so appealing because of how much bang for the buck they are. I'm not just talking about speed and lap times, but the noises, the feels, the sense that you're driving a great piece of Honda engineering.
"This is a public road. We're being ultimately sensible here." Well if you're not going to go over the speed limit, how do you expect one car to ever lose the other?..
Big brain time.
Wait.....wait....wait....Civic R Mugen cost 38,599 pounds? That's around $55,000 US dollars. That's Corvette C7 money........
Yeah, but C7 can't turn and hasn't got VTEC :D
You think that's insane?
In Denmark a secondhand Toyota GT86 costs about the equivalent of $66,000. IIRC that's about the price of a C6 Z06.
NucLe4rCZ You mean variable valve timing guy? hahaha
ross burton no, i mean VTEC, best valve timing and most exciting thing in the world
;)
NucLe4rCZ SO exciting, better than skydiving hands down...
That road looks like it's incredibly fun to drive on.
Why don't you try the same race downhill...
Eric Yang honda Is faster at the corners... In a downhill race 280hp should be enough to beat the r8...
MrFujiwara AE86 Of course Honda's are always going to be fast at corners. Always will. But in a straight, nah man, the r8 got it. So why test it downhill? It's going to be the same results. Sure it's lighter, but the r8 will catch up easily.
MrFujiwara AE86 Track: Type R
Drag: Always will be the r8
Have you Heard about The downhill touge...? Where Keiichi Tsuchiya beats a 280ps R34 Gtr with a 170ps Ae86.. Is not about power dude, but obviously if you compare them uphill Is gonna win The One with more hp... Eric Yang
MrFujiwara AE86 hey the man is a hero...but at the end of the day its the skill of the driver and not that many people have that ability and not a lot of you people can't handle going down a mountain road at excess of 80 to 100mph oh and to say that's slow shows you haven't done that amount downhill (oh but everyone is a racer on the youtube comments) No I live in a mountain area and since I was a kid been going up and down the roads... With or without abs/tcs/stability control jajajaj and the r34 was completely bone stock as for the 86 has everything except electronics to help it
A few mods on the Type R,such as a turbo etc the Type R would be a match for the Audi R8,and also the Type R is beginning to grow on me,I wasn't too keen at the start but like I said it's starting to grow on me :-)
It’s amazing that Honda can make a car with 120hp per litre, revs to 8600 rpm and yet is incredibly reliable
at 2:40 its just so much more agile and lighter...thats why u were going all over the road way out wide while the R8 was stuck in its lane haha
Did you not see how close he got to that R8 around every turn? If he didn't go wide sometimes he'd probably hit. He wasn't trying to pass the R8 but stay behind it.
And the r8 was not going full ballers either. Far faster and awd grip. But on some hairpin turns like that any small agile car can stay with a supercar.
+James Lovett I'm not disputing what is faster or better. I'm just stating that he probably went wide so he didn't end up in the R8s rear during those turns.
Downforce at the rear is very useful in high speed corners and for high speed braking, so a rear spoiler on a FWD car is not pointless. In fact cornering and braking stability is the main reason for a rear spoiler. Not so much for acceleration traction for RWD.
Claims to drive sensibly while driving on the wrong side of the road.
In england they drive on the left
dibi203
No shit Sherlock, i am from Australia we drive on the left too.
But at 2:37 he is driving on the wrong side
He knows he cant overtake so he is then driving like a moron.
I am sure they closed off the road for the filming but you cant go saying we are going to drive sensibly then go driving in the middle of the road.
Thats awesome considering its a 2 litre as opposed to an R8.
Now try the comparison with the new Honda NSX
And then compare a Veryon W16 Grand Sport and a Vauhall Corsa, that will make fun of the car.
+Phoenix agree with you
All cars that most of us would have a hard time paying for. I personally like the sound of hi-revving 4 bangers. Honda's VTEC engines all have that signature sound when the switchover happens, especially in the early VTEC engines. It's like you hit that certain rev, a banshee awakes in the cams, and that tach needle screams all the way to the redline. To me, that's a thrill that becomes addicting. Don't get me wrong, I like a big V8 rumble, but screamers are more fun at the redline.
2:38 The Audi takes the corner nice and slow, and stays in it's lane. The Honda has to go wide to keep up. Also the Audi driver was barely moving...
MKSpots maybe the driver in civic was "old timer" guy...lol😂
Video should have been titled Audi R8 V10 *(Driven cautiously)* v Honda Civic Type R Mugen *(Driven hard and fast)*.
No bullshit
Shut up the civic is better and the r8 is driving hard too
+Chog Ountonight really I thought that was the r8 that was red lining the whole time. I need need to get my ears checked.
MAD DOG turbo fn2 would smash that Audi up 😂😂😂
remember this is the mugen one, so will always be overpriced.
the regular type r is cheaper than both you mentioned
Boost this civic And will will shit All over that audi!
enjoy fwd noob
William Gunn u dumb fuck get off my comment
The only thing a Hon-duh shits on is it's owners ego.
hes pushing the limits of the civic, the audi driver is LITERALLY cruising. to say the civic can go around a turn quicker than an r8 is utterly ridiculous. and besides, 55 grand??? are you freaking joking me. you're talking about BMW 1M's for that much, which is ten times ANY honda...
Exactly. You can hear the Honda screaming and nothing from the V10. Look at the lateral forces the R8 can produce and it would be long gone if the driver put any effort into it.
John Jerrehian
Nonsense.
On those corners the Civic has the advantage. On the exits and straights the R8 opens up and leaves it sitting. If you listen to what he is saying it can keep close to the R8 sometimes but not always.
But to say that the R8 is cruising is just not true.
bighands69
The only advantage the Civic has is the entrance speed and that is questionable.
The R8 with it's low center of gravity, mid engine, Quattro and wide tires has an abundance of ability that is not being used to the extent of this video. Yes, he says they are on public roads and even around 2:30 seconds questions if the Audi is being driven hard.
Have you ever been in an R8 V-10? When they are on at the top of their RPM range they scream and you can hear that howl a long way off. Not in this video.
Friend of mine is a manager of an Audi dealership in FL and you would be very impressed of what the R8 can do if you were in one. Put on a track when the two were pushed and the Honda would be gone, even in the turns.
R8 is not a usual Audi, it's better in corners then straight line, most Audis are opposite.
John Jerrehian look at the brakes...
every corner the civic has to brake because the civic can come in faster, but exit speed is faster. even with all those facts your missing the point of the type R.
its pretty much a race car with aircon.
Personally Id prefer the Mugen Type R. Dont get me wrong, id love an R8 - i love the look, performance, status, etc but knowing myself, i wouldnt be able to utilize all of the power whether it be on track or off. I dont think anyone would be able to use all of the power due to being on public roads. Id take the civic because the threshold of power is easily usable in all scenarios. Audi and Honda are great companies. Why all of the bashing? Would i say that one car is better than the other? Not necessarily....You people sound like children. Cheers from the US!
V-TEC KICKED IN YO!
3 Honda 4 ever
For reliability, low maintenance, trouble free.....I choose FN2R over Audi R8.
Most of all, Real Mens Drive Three Pedals!!!!!
Honda 4-ever
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Hey buddy! :)
Carlyle's Picks Oh hi!! Could never expect you to comment my comment. haha! made my day!!
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The point of all the was to show that you can have fun in a hot hatch. Everybody knows that the cars weren't pushed to the limit. AND everyone knows the R8 is way faster than the civic. BUT this shows that DESPITE of the price of the civic, it's fun to drive and from him it's worth the money when you are on ROADS like that. Idiots I swear....
Supercar vs Japan hatchback= not even worthy for comparison
"Almost too fast for roads like this...but not too fast for a 200 hp Civic." Come on now, the Audi R8 looks great but with twice the power is barely outruns a civic, it's one of the slowest 500hp cars around.
the R8 have more than the doube HP ( horse power) than the HONDA are you fucking serious?
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@darthjader08 Yes I did. My uncle has a carcompany in our country (The Netherlands).
I clearly know that the Audio has more power. I drive a Honda Integra DC2 now, and if i wanna drive luxerey I drive the Audi. But if I want to feel the real power, the 'kick', I step in my Honda Integra!;)
Um... give me $60,000 and i sure as hell wouldn't get a "civic' type R or not... lol...
honda R kept slowing down and breaking because audi in the way !!!! it already kicked in but audi is annoying move on!!! let the honda pass and see if you can keep up
R8 v10 is my favortie supercar 911 turbo and standard gt3 is my favortie car as well
The Type R is sexy as hell, a great design. I own one in black and it's fantastic. If you don't like it then why search it? Get back to your Fiat Punto!
Civic Type R Mugen this car really hugs the corner and catches the R8 Tail very very fast. respect for such a small car and small engine
V10 vs a four cylinder for what it is... a work of art,and its keeping up there will always be a valid excuse to not hate a reliable Honda car( mostly), 6 less cylinders awesome!
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wow there's some proper muppets on this thread you can pick this model type r(not a mugen)for 4k most people don't have the talent to come near a type r performance such a good car for the money and it's a bullet proof vtec what you can take your kids to school in.for that money just get it for a second car.
+Luke Armitage lol just buy it then take out all the seats, to make it lighter.
The Golf GTI gave us sportscar performance for hatchback money.
The Civic type R sportscar looks for hatchback money ;)
FrightfulAccountant I like German and Japanese Cars.... but as they stand the latest top spec (2015) GTI is slower to 60mph (6.2) then an unmodified (2010) FN2 Type R Mugen (6.0). Put a Turbo on a FN2 Type R (which costs £3,600) and it would comprehensively chew up and spit out an already Turbo'ed GTI. I would say that adding a turbo to a Type R equates to a level playing field specification wise (Both are 2.0 cars) and even with the Turbo added It would still cost around 10k less than than a 2015 GTI (You are paying a lot for a VW badge). As a side note the latest Golf GTI isn't even in the same class as the upcoming 300bhp Type R :) which is going to cost £30K... the same amount as....wait for it.... the Golf GTI.... The Civic Type R FN2 Mugen, sports car looks and performance for hatchback money :)
can someone tell me the difference between Civic Type R FN2 and Civic Mugen Type R??
type r is a cool car even though I am not a honda fan, it corners well, accelerates quite well as well and handles well
The new futuristic outlook is kinda hilarious. I like more the old Honda Type-R.
It is really weird whenever i listen to your voice its like im listening to Chris Harris :P
point being, you can have more fun in a hot hatch than a super car on typical British roads.
A point seemingly lost on almost everyone 😆
Why? The type-r is almost like a toy compared to the r8
hahaha
this honda just have a 2.0L 4 cylinder not v10 (ep3 better than this)
Honda simply has the best and reliable engine in the world
i am using just single cam 1.5 ivtec and its simply going up to 190kmh(cutoff) & 220(without cutoff)
and at my house also have bmw & audi
the power of dreams....cheers..........
Sorry guys but this segment is just so tiresome, but I'm absolutely sure its not going away any time soon as it always gets everyone debating over what is achingly obvious to most with half a brain, or at least anyone with driving experience that includes anything like the cars in question,... oh boy, I suppose I might have just trumped my own argument, as that is probably more rare than I am suggesting with the rather obnoxious "half a brain" part of my gripe... lol okay, well its probably not very often that anyone goes from sounding a little like a snobby elitist (yes i am being nice) to an advocate in the same comment. oh well, I was obviously thinking as I wrote which is never the best way to go about expressing your opinion. Yes, I could edit this but what the hell, it might generate some more comments, so there you go people, have at it! I can take it...lol!
0:52 v-tak kicked in yo!!
Saw this very car today on the motorway the Civic Mugen MU09 GEN plate. lol. i remembered the plate from the first time I had watched this video and saw this very car today. haha nicee
JDM cars rule
Time for me to un-subscribe this bs
The only reason the car sounds loud is cos of the epic VTec
I was able to pressure a Diablo SV round a track to an embarassing degree in an old Ferrari 308 !? One of the best drives i've had!! :)
I think this video is misrepresenting both cars here as they cant be pushed to the limit on public roads, if they did r8 would be gone in no time with the awd system
Yep... as it is it's (the R8) already noticeably pulling away on some of the straights and is getting on the power a lot quicker coming out of the curves.
The point is not that the civic can compete with the limits of an Audi R8 but it is able to keep pace with the car on the road.
i love Honda , but nice try with this show
That Audi's lope-ing along and it never gets on full crack while the Civic is working and punishing the driver to "keep up". The Audi's also on the power sooner in the corners and pulling away from the Civic at every straight... hence the cuts to shots where the Civic is closing the gap at corner entry while the Audi's on the brakes and the Hondas still at full throttle.
The point is that the civic can stay with the Audi not that it is better or that it is a direct competitor.
Yes it can pull away but the audi can at least stay in the game with it. In most police chase they only need to stay in line of sight of the car and not beat it until support arrives.
bighands69 Sure, absolutely, but it's also punishing the driver, and likely at 9-10/10ths pace doing so and not the most enjoyable way to go fast on that kind of road. I think the Civic would be really fun to drive in the right setting and would likely have been even faster and less of a handful on a track -vs- a public road with all the frost heaves and what not. I always love seeing "US unobtanium" cars like the Si, but I would have been more interested to see a more comparable "Hot Hatch" (Like a VW or Audi) that would have been a bit more intriguing in terms of how it stacked up as a road car in addition to its outright speed. You can also take nearly any car out there and turn it into a Touring Car replica and it'll haul ass...But the question is do you want to keep driving it after 5 miles on public roads??? I've done the whole "race car on the road" thing and frankly I just can;t see doing that when you can make a
Like I say though I'd LOVE to have a crack at that Si on a track, that's where it'd really shine (like all Hondas with their F1 inspired red-lines). And as I keep saying: Honda has the parts bin, the know how and the quality products/engineering to make some MONSTER cars but they've been holding back as of late with the current gen Civic having the absolute worst interior I've ever seen in a car and a completely mediocre engine in terms of performance in it's class. It's still a wonderfully built and engineered engine, smooth and sweet, but it just doesn't make any low end power and it's 201hp is just kinda mid-pack so it struggles as a road car as do all hopped up tuner versions unless they're turbo'd and well sorted (read: few and far between).
bighands69 lol no it cant! not by a longshot! if the audi was being pushed just as hard as the civic it would be GONE, turns included! The British are just mad because they literally have nothing! lol my bad the MINI, WHOPDEEDOO BAZZLE
0:51 VTEC just kicked in YO!
The 4cyl sounds better than the v10 lol
sorry to say it but that civic was sipping gas as it nipped at a R8s hind legs. Honda All Day
0:53 vtec just kicked in yo
Numbers are only a starting point, but ultimately it all comes down to the driver.
video says it all. but near 40k euros for a Honda? Never. You can spend less buying an Si and modding it with better results. I've seen it. Thanks for the comparison on a huge stage like Autocar though! Real-life comparisons (or contrasts) between 2 cars you'd never seen racing. Cool idea.
What "all" does it say??? I have this funny feeling you seem to think it says "A Civic Si is just as fast as an Audi R8 "... Just by looking at it you can tell the guy in the Civic is pushing it to keep up with the Audi at a 7/10ths lope and all the while he's getting punished by a horrible ride while the guy in the Audi is playing with his adjustable suspension in complete comfort. Also if you look/listen and really pay attention, the Audi is not only on the power sooner in the corners, but it's pulling away on most every straight without even being close to full throttle...
This "super Civic" Si does 0-60 in 6 seconds... not "bad" by any means, and it looks like a really fun little car, but a bone stock MK7 GTi is only .8-sec slower and with one push of a programmer button it'll likely be a second FASTER then the Mugen Si to 60 let alone what the R32 replacement will do. All in a car with a world class interior (especially compared to the horrid and just plain ridiculous modern Civic interior designed by a 5-year odd X-box addict), that rides like butter or a touring car depending on the suspension settings and in a package far easier to live with day to day.
Then you get into truly TUNED cars from the VW world and they just blow the doors off "tuned" Civics in not only performance but in total package appeal.
You could probably mod any car for 40k and end up with an extreme machine but that is not the point of the Honda.
Most people who buy cars do not mod them.
D King what "all" i was trying to convey was that they really weren't comparing the cars. obviously, the R8 blows it away. the civic was doing well to keep up in the twisties but on straights, the R8 pulled away.
it was noticeable how the R8 wasn't working as hard and it was trying to stay in the frame. i simply thought it was a fun video with 2 cars you'd never see compared (or contrasted) on such a large forum. is the civic cool? sure. but for that money, i'd rather have a 335i sedan or an STi.
bighands69 you're saying then that the point of the honda is to buy it already modded and kick ass with it? sure.
i agree, most people don't mod their cars, but why buy something so tricked out if you're not into modding anyway? the STi seems to offer a better ride with similar performance and less price. i've never, nor will i ever drive the civic si mugen hatchback, so i'm using the video to help me guess.
ive got to agree with techSURROUND here. there are plenty of super cool cars out there (evo, sti, etc etc) that can be had on the 'cheap' and modded to make them fast, BUT the civic si is just over $20k (roughly 10k british pounds) in north america. take that, add bolt-ons, tune the ecu, stick on a kraftwerks rotrex supercharger, add performance tires, new clutch/flywheel, maybe some new lightweight pulleys, rods, springs/retainers... now you're basically at 'supercar' speeds and still well under $40k (20k british pounds).
not for everyone, but for an enthusiast, much of the fun is in the modding itself, not the end result
honda is genuine motor sport , don't you see the speed bikes?? but using stock type r in racing and performance like buying big LED screen and watch blue ray movies on built in speakers without using sound system , in type r every thing ready to fit your turbo baby , and bring the bitch down !!!
audi not genuine and they investing lamborghini skills and efforts to build their cars
R8 is staying in the lane. where as the honda is using the the whole road to keep up . However i would buy the honda cos it would be more fun to drive around town. Bit like my motor bikes, when i had a small one i could trash it on the way to work but now i have a large bike and if i give it some gas the front comes off and you fall off the back. also you can't us all the gears it has while being legal. So honda would be more fun and looks better
@codenamefd its not a fact if jeremy clarkson says it. i agree, it is slower than a mugen RR yet faster than FD2R and noticably faster than EP3 which is (no matter what top gear says) slower than a normal FN2. and id like to see some videos of this car getting smoked by a FD2R and not to mention EP3. you gotta keep in mind that this is not a normal FN2 but a mugen, eventhough a normal one is faster than for example EP3
saw old school well sorted 86/87 CRX rip 89/92 GTR Skylines a new hole, Pukekohe(excuse spelling)New Zealand,was naturally aspirated worked 1600 suspension was work of art , yes GTRs pulling away on straights, but not by much, then of course come to corners CRX was in class of its own and was embarrassing these 500+ hp monsters.
i prefer Honda civic Type-R.
I'm shocked.... a £125,000 car is quicker on the straights then a £17,500 car.... I bet the person in the Mugen was having more fun... German cars are DULL to drive.
The Vtec sound just awesome
@Dimitri0809
I will not agree with You - R8 has quattro so in any corner goes faster than a civic with FWD. R8 has 7:44 on Nordschleife lap record, I would like to see the time of Mugen's civic (standard Type R is 8:47 - very slow) but I bet it would be much slower than the Audi. Still R8 is way more expensive.
love the Type R!
you under estimate the Mugen its truly awesome
LOL this video was made to inflate the egos of the 17 year old kids that drive Honda crap and come here to be validated. Yes a Honda Civic Type R Mugen going 10/10ths is going to be faster than an Audi R8 V10 at 2/10ths, cause the Audi wasn't even trying. However I will say that for what you would have spent on that Mugen R you could have a non-Mugen R with an aftermarket Turbo pushing 300ish horsepower, or for that matter an Evo that could eat that Mugen R for lunch and made the Audi driver actually have to try...
I'm a huge Honda fan but I would take the Audi hands down. Whats next?? Honda vs Lambo? Honda vs Ferrari? Honda vs Porsche? Why not compare it to the GTR? Absolutely silly comparison.
I have 330i and many times raced civics. Most of them loose , but there are once that can show some speed to me. Once we raced DX hatch turbo. It was going head to head with me and burned it's whiles at 60mph . After the race, no one hated we just said to each other "Not bad hah"
My pet hate is people who spell damn as dam. A couple below.. It's spent D A M N for fuck sake!
Damn
The all purpose word.
Example 1: *See's hot girls* Damn.
Example 2: *Your team loses a game* Damn.
Example 3: *You can't spell damn as dam A dam hold back a body of freakin' water, damn you all* Damn.
Lets compare Oregano vs Maple Syrup !!!
both are edible (analogy to cars)
but they serve for different USES...
no reason why we should compare them with one another...
sad sad comparison ...
Speaking of the R8, why was the Gallardo’s V10 detuned for the R8 V10, making 517bhp instead of the Gallardo’s 552bhp?
Is it because then it would have stolen sales from the more expensive Gallardo as the V10 R8 would have been slightly quicker if the two cars had the same power as each other?
The type R sounds better :)
This is the reason why civic were created as a fwd....to go nimble and fast on cornering...not mainly for a straight 1320... indeed civic were not fast...but it's bloody fun to drive ngl...
Hell yeah i love that honda but seriously guys it cant beat that r8 its just ridiculous okay? Yes with a bigger turbo and tuning ,it would but the fact that its faster than the r8 is pure s**t ,nvrmnd Honda fans The 2015 NSX is coming imma watch that eat all these V8's just like how the GTR ate them. ;D
To all the fkn honda kids getting all excited about this stupid comparison: the R8 driver was basically cruising, not even close to a track mode driving, in real life the piece of rice junk would be falling apart after 4-5 races like that... The R8 was built for that purpose. This episode was paid by Honda to increase sales since they've been struggling in Europe sales wise...
Wow civic-4cylinder 280 horsepower R8-10cylinder 600 horse power well no shit look at the size of the fucking engine!!!!!
I would take the Type R any day but then again I just don't trust myself driving something as expensive as an R8 lol
Neither would I
Excellent video. No offense by my comment. Sir, you have a slight resemblance to William Shatner the original captain Tiberius Kirk from Star Trek.