The Jewish Exodus from North Africa (Sephardi Voices UK/ Harif -30 November 2023 at JW3)

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  • The plight of Jews in North Africa was the theme of the 30 November 2023 Commemoration of the Departure and Exodus of Jews from Arab Countries and Iran. The film was produced by Sephardi Voices UK for Harif. Full Recording of the evening: • An Evening to Mark the...

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  • @saladin333
    @saladin333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    lies after lies.
    Algerian jews beame french citizen ( decret cremieux) distanced themselves from the rest of the population and supported the french colonial power

    • @bataween1
      @bataween1  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No they did not, they were neutral and some even were supporters of the FLN (Pieds rouges). It was only when Sheikh Raymond was murdered and the great synagogue of Algiers ransacked that the Jews knew they had no future in an independent Algeria. The constitution made it impossible for anyone without a Muslim father or grandfather to be a citizen. So the Jews had no choice but to leave with the pieds noirs.

    • @lovelytalk7941
      @lovelytalk7941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Exactly ! They were in some parts even jewish milicians helping the colonial force (the great synagogue handsack was a punitive action on treason ground)
      and Sheikh Raymon was a well known traitor, with his own milicians groups catching and handing some indigenous people to the colonial force. Gisele Halimi wrote about him).
      "The constitution made it impossible for anyone without a Muslim father or grandfather to be a citizen"
      This part is absolutely false as Algeria chose baassism movment for its political path (no religious) and was for a long time a socialist country (not really famous for being religious countries). So the citizenship was not based on religion at all.
      and moreover: some christians actually have and stayed and took the citizenships...
      So stop making up things pls

    • @bataween1
      @bataween1  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      absolute rubbish
      @@lovelytalk7941

    • @lovelytalk7941
      @lovelytalk7941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bataween1 It is well documented, Gisele halimi has made extensive work on it. one has just to google it to find it :)

    • @saladin333
      @saladin333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bataween1 LIAR !
      did the Algerian Jews become French Citizens after the decret Cremieux ( a French Jew) in 1870 ? YEEEEEEES
      Since then, they started wearing french clothes, changed their Algerian names and behaved as if they were French, distancing themselves from the rest of the population.
      Nobody can be neutral, when a country is colonized

  • @nomad7060
    @nomad7060 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Sad, but the formation of Israel started this. At least these people got off better than the Palestinians. And before someone says these things happened before 1948, Balfour declaration was 1917.

    • @AverageSapien
      @AverageSapien 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even sadder to shit on your parade, but the exile, execution, and enslavement of Jewish tribes of Medina, Saudi Arabia was in 624 AD, that's 1293 years before Balfour's declaration; Almohad expulsion and massacre of Jews in Morrocco was in 1172, that's 745 years before Balfour's declaration; the massacre of Jews in Fez, Morrocco was in 1465, that's 452 years before Balfour's declaration; the Safed attacks in Safed, Ottoman empire were in 1517, that's 400 years before Balfour's declaration; the expulsion of Jews from Isfahan, Iran was in 1656, that's 261 years before Balfour's declaration; the Mawza exile of Yemenite Jews from Yemen was in 1679, that's 238 years before Balfour's declaration; the massacre of Safed Plunder in Safed, Palestine was in 1834, that's 83 years before Balfour's declaration; 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez, Morrocco in 1864, that's 53 years before Balfour's declaration; 18 Jews were killed and their homes looted and burned in Tunisia in 1869, that's 48 years before Balfour's declaration; synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripoli, Libya in 1897, that's 20 years before Balfour's declaration; the list goes on. The assertion that Arab and Islamic antisemitism is the fault of Zionism and the reestablishment of Israel and Muslims and Jews lived in a peaceful coexistence utopia in the Muslim world before Israel is deceptive and false. Antisemitism in the Arab and, by extension, the Muslim world has existed for as long as Islam has existed. Prophet Muhammed is reported to have said (by reliable sources like Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim) "The Hour will not be established (judgement day will not arrive) until you (Muslims) fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: O' Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him!" Prophet Muhammed died in 632 AD, that's 1285 years before Balfour's declaration. So no, the reestablishment of Israel most certainly did not start this, although it definitely exacerbated it, but it was clearly already existing prior to Balfour's declaration and as early as the establishment of Islam. Speaking of which, the arrival of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews from Europe in the land of Israel was in 1947. The Balfour Declaration only supported Zionist "aspirations," but Balfour did not carry out any remarkable measures towards the Zionist cause until much later following the collapse of the Ottoman empire that ruled the Levant from 1516 until the end of World War I when the Brits gained control of the Levant, established borders between Palestine and Jordan, and finally let the Jews fleeing Europe after the Holocaust into Palestine. 1917 or 1947, either way, it does not justify the exodus of and hostility towards Jews in the Arab and Muslim world even after 1947, especially when most of these Jews ended up in Israel, which only furthers the Zionist cause Arabs and Muslims stand against. Yes, it is very sad. Let's face it, antisemitism existed everywhere long before Zionism did, including in the MENA region as I demonstrated. I mean, if only the Romans weren't antisemitic and didn't expel the Jews from their homeland, Zionism wouldn't have needed to exist in the first place. The treatment of Jews by Arabs and Muslims has been prejudiced long before people like you could use the excuse of the Israel-Palestine conflict, it dates back to 624 AD if not earlier and here you are claiming "the formation of Israel started this."

    • @bataween1
      @bataween1  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      utter nonsense

  • @lovelytalk7941
    @lovelytalk7941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yeah in Algeria Jews collaborated with the occupying forces getting privilege out of the indigenous people back...so of course at the independence they ere made to go !! In the same boats as their masters ...what did they expect

    • @saladin333
      @saladin333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Decret Cremieux giving them French citizenship in 1870
      Why the Zionist Jews keep telling lies?

    • @bataween1
      @bataween1  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      French citizienship was imposed on the Jews and the Muslims were also offered it, but refused it because it meant compomising their personal status (Senatus Consulte of 1865).

    • @lovelytalk7941
      @lovelytalk7941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@bataween1 actually neither jews or indigenous (Algerians are berbers not Arabs) had the French citizenship till the Décret Cremieux 1870...while indigenous were still considered indigenous without rights attached, the jewish benefitted from a better status: they had political and self-determination rights granted to them...while indigenous people didn't have the rights to vote, be elected, go to school after 12, have property etc...and the Jewish population didn't show any solidarity with the indigenous one, even taking advantage from it or collaborating...Gisele Halimi a jewish Tunisian have made a lot of work on jewish collaboration in Algeria

    • @bataween1
      @bataween1  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lovelytalk7941 if Jews had stayed in present day Algeria they would have been subjugated dhimmis under Islam

    • @lovelytalk7941
      @lovelytalk7941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@bataween1 Not true for 3 reasons:
      1-Religion was added to the Algerian constitution just last year.
      2- The dhimmi status is one of the Ottoman Empire that was enforced only on Anatolian soil and nor in sandjaks (province), hence the Catholic Kingdom of Hungary, and the kingdoms of Macedonia or current Bulgaria, who were christians and governed by christians.
      The dhimmi status never existed in Algeria
      3- Thousands of Muslims indigenous (the harkis) were made to leave Algeria for the same reason the Algerian jews: high treason for collaborating with the colonial regime