Another difference is Fleet Keying. Civilian Crown Victorias have individual unique keys for the ignition doors and trunk that aren't able to be used on another Civilian Crown Victoria. To prevent what we called the "Key Circus" of juggling numerous keys for each police units in our department all of the Ford Crown Victorias in our fleet used the exact same cut keys and one key opened everything on the car and started the ignition and could be used on every other car in the fleet so we usually kept our keys with us at the end of the shift and could use it on any unit we were assigned the next shift. My advice, change your locks and ignition when you buy a used police unit as someone else who also has one may be able to access yours.
bigger brakes..heavy duty cooling system ..thicker gauge wiring..higher output alternator...different program in ecu..etc etc..same chassis as civilian but the cvpi is a much more durable and rugged vehicle. ..another great vid. and a shout out to k9 jack
onthepin, and you just don't know what you're getting with the civilian Crown Victoria as per maintenance such as did the owner service it or neglect it. Law Enforcement Departments have a regularly scheduled maintenance interval of servicing police units every so many hours our department it was every 80 hours since they were used 24/7 by 2 officers each pulling a 12 hour tour and if you are lucky the civilian Crown Victoria may have been serviced by the regular milage schedule.
Civilian models are defined and rev lower for longevity more durable maybe the suspension and the cooling is a plus but that’s because they are always flooring it I do think the civilian model intake tube is bs and the gears
I think that anyone with a few bucks to spend can have the best of both worlds. Get the P71, and find an old Crown Vic or Grand Marquis in the boneyard with a good interior. Transplant the luxury interior into the P71, and enjoy. Just a tip, though... Leave the manual HVAC controls in the P71. When an automatic climate control blower controller quits, it costs a fortune to fix, and you'll either freeze or cook until it's fixed. When the blower speed switch quits, it's cheap to replace the resistor pack, and you can wait until you're ready to do it as the blower will still work on "High".
Ford's Automatic Climate Control systems aren't really that expensive to repair. There are two primary points of failure. If the actual speed control fails on the blower housing, that's about $50 at the parts house for a replacement with a lifetime warranty (make sure you use Dielectric Grease on the connectors, or you'll be banging on it with a screwdriver handle every couple of months to get the blower working again), and most of the time, if the EATC conrol panel is the source of the problem (misrouted vaccum, so no A/C through dash vents and only through defrost vents is common symptom), it's failure of the O-rings, and you can tear that down and replace those for less than $10.
Or just get a civilian model, upgrade the suspension and throttle body spacer, and put in a nice magnaflow dual exhaust, and enjoy all the luxury with the same performance!
Always check cop cars for blow by. Everytime you see one around town its always running. They may have low miles, but the engine is gonna have way more hours on it than the average car does.
unfortunately, the police are generally required to leave the cars running 24/7 because they cannot afford to shut the cars off and have them not start back up in an emergency situation, thats why most police cars have a way to remove the keys while leaving the engine running, and why they all have an engine idle counter built into the odometer. every hour on the engine idle counter counts as 30 driven miles according to ford.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf The feature to leave it running is a button under the floor rubber mat that subs instead of carpet, by the left foot area. Its a concealed button. Shhh. don't tell anyone.
I got a 3.27 Trak-lok. 3.27 open was standard while 3.27 Track-Lok was optional. Any one ordered with a 3.55 was a Trak-lok because that was the only way it came.
HI. In my state. Massachusetts, the state police cruisers was equipped with 3.27 gears for faster high way speeds while the local town cops had the 3.55 gears to get them off the line quicker.
Chris Pofahl Yeah, I knew from '98 on the civilian models we sold had 3:55 in them. That seemed about right for regular civilian application. In the fleet dealer's office he had a small info magazine he'd give to prospective customers for the taxi versions and I remember there was two packages for the taxis - the New York model and the San Francisco model. Wish I could recall the differences it listed. I could probably assume different rear end differentials and shift points but not sure.
I just bought a 2009 crown vic with 110k miles and 4k idle hours for $2k but man the car runs perfectly i just drove it from Chicago to Miami, Florida and back and it ran perfectly. My crown vic used to be an ex Michigan state trooper vehicle and the only thing that I don't like about it is that it doesn't have cruise control so driving it to Miami from Chicago(1450 miles one way) without Cruise control really sucked but still for a $2k dollar vehicle it runs beautifully and will probably run great for another 5 to 7 years. The only thing that broke on me was the starter and i replaced the serpentine belt before driving it to Miami because the rubber had bunch of cracks on it. After driving it for 4k miles the thing that surprised me was that it burned zero oil that means the engine is in great condition.
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
I just bought a 2000 P71. The oil sensor didn't work, replaced it, when I changed the oil. It needed an alignment, so I had that done. There was an oil leak in front, it's a power steering hose I will replace. I'll use transmission grade hose. I had to adjust the headlights, they were new housings, whoever installed them had them aimed too low. Replaced one broken hood stop. What I like about this car is that it's not a disposable tin box. It corners nice and flat. The coolant looks good, no oil/coolant mix in the crankcase or cooling system. Transmission shifts well, no slip. I'll be changing the fluid and filter next. A/C works, heater works. Engine is smooth running, no clicks, etc. Shocks are solid, same with tires. It has no wheel covers, I'll get the hub covers. I don't plan to beat the hell out of this car. It will outlive me.
Went with the Interceptor, best car I ever bought. I tried both, and the handling difference is insane. Although it is a bit rougher sounding on bumps and has more interior noise, the CVPI corners so flat and nicely that for me it was no question. Add in better sounding dual exhaust, the other performance changes, and the cheaper price-it was no question. My '08 Interceptor makes me smile every day, and I strongly encourage anyone who is on the fence to get one while you still can. Try to get one with lower engine hours and you'll be very pleased. Bar none the most reliable and solid car EVER. One major difference you missed between civi and police models: the police models are lifted a couple inches to take curbs at speed without bottoming out. As a Pittsburgher who must deal with insane potholes, weird steep driveways, and general bad roads/parking, this feature was ESSENTIAL and greatly adds to my satisfaction with the CVPI. In general, it all gives me peace of mind in any driving situation. Pretty great in the snow too, and damn cheap to repair. Get one before they're all gone and the price goes up!
They're already at the 5,000 and 8,000 dollar mark wth? Whyyyy? I was hoping to get a little $1,500 or $900 one and slowly build it up as I'm still using it
@@يلد-ش2ذ there were SO MANY of them made and lasted like tanks. Did someone go around and destroy most of them to drive up the price since the quality was so high and in abundance? Classics mean there isn't very many of something highly desired. Creates WORTH in folks.
@@يلد-ش2ذ I think u can find some good ones on ebay motors. Outside body looks really good no rust. Found some 2011 models. Inside pristine and engine washed really good as well.
Thats why i decided to buy a lx sport because i thought of all the punishment officers put on the vics. Luckyly the owner prior had all the maintenance paper work done at ford motor company on the car. I think i made a good choice. Both crown vics are amazing. Oh and my car has dual exhaust center shift console leather seats. I got mines for 4500 with 76k miles
Even if they are beaten to shit. A larger department will have their cars worked on immediately if anything goes wrong. And are, in ways, made to handle the punishment. Besides. They're easy to work on and parts are fairly inexpensive.
The difference between the civilian and police counterparts of the Crown Victoria are actually minimal, even in the older boxy models from the 1980s. They share the same general build as a tank and stuff, due to it's the same car. But the police version have minor upgrades for LE use like harder transmissions shifts, stiffer suspension, push bar, or the oil cooler. But being fleet cars they lack any of the optional luxury stuff the top trim regular model (LX) has. That also applies to the taxi. The P71 is may be more internally rugged in comparison, but it's almost certainly abused from pursuits or idling non-stop, so that doesn't help to much. Horsepower wise, the police counterpart has SLIGHTLY higher power/torque, and the old ones have a 351W vs 302 EFI for civilian. To be serious, I rather take the regular version, because having the LX and then modify the car well means you have a Crown Vic that has better performance than the Marauder AND have the luxury options! I know, because I have plans to make my 1989 LX a sleeper.
Ok so can someone answer this question? Who the heck started the trend of covering license plates? 1. I don't care about anyone's license plate, 2. Unless you are law enforcement or government, no one can look up your private information by using your license plate. 3. Your plates are seen by thousands of people everyday and most don't care what your plate says until you break the law. 4. the yellow rags just looked horrible on that beautiful car. I think next time I am in town I will check with DMV and law enforcement to see if this is a legit concern or if people are just being too cautious. Nice Ride though. p.s. clever vanity plates rock!
Barry I feel the same. Unless you have access to a government database and willing to throw away your career and possibly go to prison no one is going to find you by your license plate
I always read the p71 had more hp because the dual exhaust. Then p71's sit a inch higher with their stiffer, taller coil springs. P71 also has a aluminum driveshaft or metal matrix composite (MMC) driveshaft. 3.27 or 3.55 rear end gears. I believe some suspension parts are a little different. Like sway bar size, maybe a-arms for taller coils. Handling package gave the p74 rear air bags. Then everything else I believe is the same, year for year. Most of my knowledge is in the 98 to 02 range. As I did some work on my 02 p74. Stainless works duals, 3.31 rear end gears with detroit truetrac diff, aluminium driveshaft, accel coils, iridium plugs, Aem air filter, billet aluminium 4 links, bigger rear sway bar, and some bilstein shocks.
Some units are equipped with street appearance package (P71 Sap), carpet, spot light delete, back tail light section is body color and car has chrome grill, no cage and no push bar. Also have dark mode so when you open doors dome light does not come on, they all have cruise, heavy duty steel wheels, stab panel seats, tighter turning radius, heavy duty steering, engine cooling , transmission cooling plus more. They also have idle hour meter, this calculates idle hours into run hours so oil and fluids have to be changed more often depending on the hours. Idle hours are harder on units than drive hours. As for being maintained, depends on if it was a shared unit or a take home unit. Shared units typically run 24 -7 all shifts, take home is assigned to an officer and is his/her job to make sure it is maintained and serviced, if not it falls on said officer for neglect.
actually any crown vic police interceptor made after 06 should have bullet proof steel paneling in the front doors and the stab resistant seats, it became standard equipment in 06, but that doesnt guarantee your car will still have them as a lot of people make a fortune by buying police interceptors at auction, stripping out any remaining police equipment and replacing it with civilian parts then selling the police equipped parts on ebay for a huge markup.
I drove my 1995 Crown Vic to Florida in 2002, it had 55K on it. I averaged just over 28 mpg. Had a couple of tanks over 30 mpg. So driven conservatively at steady speeds, they are capable of excellent mileage. On the other hand, around town in the dead of winter, I would only get 14 mpg.
I don't care about that. He can put a cat, a mouse, or Saddam Hussein on it for all it matters. BTW, I have a cat. He was a kitten when he showed up, now he's my miniature lion.
MOPAR's were the top cop cars for many years. I drove some Chrysler's and Plymouth's with the 360, 4-barrel in the early '80's as a deputy-sheriff & they ran pretty strong. I bought a 1987 Dodge Diplomat ex-police car and loved it, had a 318 with 360 heads, intake and 4-barrel carb. Had to sell it after a job loss, hurt like hell. I was recently able to find a cherry 2011 Crown Vic with the 4.6 and 3.55 Trac-Loc rear gears, very clean interior. Police cars are hard to beat for dependability and general performance.
I just bought a 2005 Police Interceptor Crown Victoria. So far I love it. They left the in grill, under the visor mirror, and the alternating head lights.... I enjoy my crown vic...
You should drive with your hands at the three and nine position because if you drive with your hand at the twelve o'clock position like you're doing in this video you run the risk of having your hand slam into your face when the airbag deploys if you should have a crash. That's what they taught us at the Sheriff's Department.
The police version would have been idled excessively, so check the powertrain carefully even if the mileage is low. You should actually be paying less for a former police car, as it's less equipped as far as options and more likely to be abused.
Any crown vic, with handling package, has 3.27:1, traction lock, dual exhaust, and rear stabilizer bar (thicker). Grand Marquis also. So, I'll take a Grand Marquis, with the handling package. Nice car though.
Thanks for the vid! Girlfriends in the past preferred my civilian CV. The soft ride and almost same comparison. Unless you mod a Vic the right way like a Marauder, I'm happy with my civi Vic!! Ford power!
I'm really glad I found this video ... because I'm hoping that either you or one of your readers will know the answer to this very non-standard question about the CVPI: What's my towing capacity? My B&W CVPI is a 2001, and I haven't been able to find ANYTHING about what all the police upgrades to the engine/transmission/etc. do for that pitiful "1,500#" Crown Vic tow rating. The U-Haul folks who installed my hitch were completely clueless about it, so they were no help either. It took them twice as long as normal to put the heavy-duty hitch on it. As the manager told me when I called to check on it after three hours ... "we've got all the parts spread out around the rear end right now, but we've never put a tow package on a cop car before." I know that the 4,000# curb weight is a big help on tow weight, but with the cooled engine and transmission, too ... I'm guessing that I can probably VERY safely tow 3,500# ... and I can maybe even tow something equal to my curb weight if I'm REALLY careful and don't rush it ... but all of that's a guess based on what I've learned about safest towing a trailer. Any solid ideas, anyone? Educated estimations? Outright--but more experienced--guesses than mine? I swear I won't hold you to it! I just want to know if my calculations make you think I'm STONED ... or not ;-)
A: Yes you were stoned. Not to be taken as, that was a dumb question tho. Unfortunately, i don't kno the answer, but from the sounds of it you answered your own question. Very well thought out, and technically inclined. ;)
You are wrong .....I own BOTH a 2003 CIVILIAN Crown Vic and a 2011 P7B Police Interceptor ...former Massachusetts State Police cruiser . BOTH HAVE DUAL EXHAUST ....I'm just saying
Your statement that only the police version had dual exhausts is incorrect. If someone ordered their Crown Vic with the high performance handling package, it also came with dual exhausts and had the higher ratio differential, bigger shocks, sway bar, etc.
I have a civilian 2001 Crown Vic that I inherited from my dad. It now has 149K miles. The paint was bad and had to have it repainted. Other then some maintenance it has been trouble free, reliable and rides like a dream.
All Crown Victoria Police Interceptors come with 4 catalytic converters. All Crown Victoria civilian models come with 2 catalytic converters unless it is the LX Sport.
Great video, very informative. A few other facts in no particular order: 1. The 2009 C. V. (last year of production) civilian model MSRP was around $19,000.00; whereas the P71 Police Interceptor MSRP base price started at $29,000.00; 2. The P71 with 250 HP, 300 lb. ft. of Torque had a 3.24:1 rear axle ratio compared to the civilian model with 224 HP, 265 lb. ft. of Torque had a rear axle ratio of 2.76:1 to 2.94:1 --- using less gasoline and a lower RPM for less engine wear at cruising speeds; 3. Dual exhaust system was responsible for the increased HP and Torque on the P71. The 4.6 Litre engines were the same. 4. Transmission shift pointcwere at higher spees and more abrupt on the P71. 5. Much of the heavy duty parts, i. e. 4 core radiator, HD battery, P. S. and transmission oil coolers, HD suspension, were available individually or as part of a towing package on the civilian model at a very low additional cost. 6. The civilian model had a more luxurious interior, better upholstery, flight bench seat with dual center armrests, carpeted floor covering (instead of rubber), padded vinyl interior door panels, trunk release in the glovebox instead of on the dash below the radio (where it could be accidentally opened while driving), better sound insulation, just to name a few. 7. The P71 had hub caps. The civilian model had full wheel covers. 8. The P71 had a harder ride due to a stiffer suspension. The civilian model was much more comfortable.
Big plus on most civi cars: You don't have to worry about a trans rebuild around the avg 120K (and intake manifold) mark due to abuse. Yes, P71s are good and are built to be rugged (albeit not THAT much more rugged than a civi model) but even the transmission and other stuff can only take so much abuse. Odds are you will have a couple of added repairs to go with that whether big or small. Both are good cars but I can say from experience the civi model gets about 20% better fuel economy on average (so easily a few hundred dollar savings per year) and generally less repair costs. Both models are good but if you're getting a police model be very careful and do your homework. Added rear sway bars and a locker can always be added over time to a civilian model as needed and parts in a lot of areas for that could easily be found in a junkyard.
I have a 98 P71. And it is one of my favorite cars to drive. Fast and comfortable. You could hit a speed bump at 50miles a hour and not feel anything due to the upgraded suspension. I would not trade a crown Vic for nothing. Maybe another crown Vic.
you can't see all the tears I cried while watching this, my heart is crawling dude, ffffuck! I've never seen Any one do these cars justice like you doo!
As someone who has worked at a county vehicle maintenance garage where these vehicles were serviced, I can tell you a lot of those cars were not serviced on time and often were several months late on most work needing done.
Steve Slayton it's more based on the gearing and driveshaft material used that decides the governed speed/max rpm in 3rd. Not P71 vs civilian. I've seen 3.55 geared early pi civilian vics with a 121 mph governor and my Vic has 3.27 diff with composite drive shaft and 141 mph limit.
You forgot about the crown vic lx sport edition which fires out 239hp. and dual exhausts. Well idk if it fires it out.. no fire comes out the exhaust lol
Great video! On the police model silly question but you can update the mechanical parts from any auto shop right? Like arm bar, axles, strut spring etc. thanks ❤
I have owned 3 of the P71. 95% of the parts ARE interchangeable between the civilian model and the P71 model. Some of the civilian models parts NEED wires added for the options to work. P71 does not have Cruise Control. I have beat the hell out of the P71s that I owned. I drove 40km(25 miles) with 10% traction on the tires on black ice. I love these cars because they are very reliable. All 3 of mine never got plugged in during the winter. No word of a lie that these cars WILL start in minus 65 Celsius with wind chill. Only complaint that I have is that FORD MURDERED a damn good car in May 2011 when the vics production ceased. The last Vic built is in Saudi Arabia from what I recall reading.
Grand marquis I believe are only single exhaust. However, Crown Vic Sport models come with dual exhaust, and Lincoln town cars come in both single and (with an optional towing package for some years) a dual exhaust.
actually its the new explorers that are rated for a rear impact at 75mph. crown vics were notorious for gas tanks exploding when hit from behind, that's why they all have warnings about keeping any equipment in the trunk laying side to side in the trunk instead of front to back.
You forgot the best of both worlds, a SAP vic! For those who don't know what a SAP is, it's a street appearance package police interceptor that is P71 inside, but a Civilian vic outside! The only noticeable exterior thing that came with mine that says cop is one single 6 inch antenna with a chrome base on the back.
Shenandoah Medic the sap also doesn't come with the key pad on the drivers door like a regular civilian cv does. That's a really easy way to tell the difference between the pi and civilian model.
It's really a "No Brainer"... The Police Package is far superior over the standard model. It's meant to run 24/7 with Heavy Duty everything equipped. Not to mention, these are P71's are capable of running at sustained speeds of up to 142 MPH for hours if required. A standard Crown Vic would be found D.O.A if put in that situation. The P71 Cop Package are definitely the way to go!
3121cKOne LOL...I remember watching a police chase on TV that seemed to go on forever. No side streets - just full speed down the highway. I laughed when it got to the point of being monotonous for the cops. So long in fact that after a while the radio chatter eventually got quiet until one bored cop finally broke the silence and said "My foot's actually getting sore from having the pedal pressed all the way down for so long." That was hilarious.
I’ve owned several panther cars including a few cvi cars and I’ve abused all of them and have never had mechanical failure in any of them a cvi is just as durable as a pi (maybe even more so because they are mostly babied their whole lives being owned by the elderly) and if you flash the ecu an possibly change the rear diff just as fast (if not faster as they are lighter)..and not to be an ass but a pi doesn’t do 142mph..they top out at 139 and as cvi does 129 (with factory limiters of course)..tunes side by side a cvi will more than likely be the better car
cKOne3121, and unlike the Civilian Crown Victoria which you hope the owner performed the manufacturer required routine maintenance schedule the Police Crown Victoria has undergone as per department requirements regularly scheduled maintenance every so many hours with our department it was every 80 hours since the vehicles were on duty 24/7 and it's in the budget to retire them at 80,000 - 88,000 miles and they'll last easily 500,000 miles. A Detective, Watch Officer and Chief's Unit is equivalently equipped to the Radio Patrol Units as they are ordered the same just in a different color but they see far less abuse but still are regularly maintained.
I have the 2003 P71 My Gross Vehicle weight is 5,945 lbs on the door sticker... and it gets pretty awful gas mileage. One wonders what they removed between my Interceptor and yours that took off a ton.
Personally, I would take the Police Interceptor model. Now, I obviously own one so I may or may not have a biased view lol. Even though many luxuries are sacrificed with the Interceptor model, if you are considering purchasing one, I would go for it. In the end, the Interceptor model has better specs, and is more "performance" orientated. There are Grand Marquis that do have way bigger motors, however those will cost 2-3x more. Also, the Interceptor model does have more of a character to it, and people will pay more attention to it at a car show/meet compared to a regular Crown Vic.
All 98-11 panthers have the same 281 cubic inch..the only exception may be the town car limos and they might be 330 cubic inches but that’s it..marauders come with an aluminum 4.6 (281) dohc but it’s ths same displacement so mercuries do not have “way bigger motors” 😂
I prever the CVPI models .... Am all for heavy duty. :) keep up the good vids dude :) how old are u and how much is the typical insurance on one usually?
pretty sure a crown vic regardless of the model will be one of the cheapest cars to insure, they're one of the safest and most common cars on the road and aren't considered a sports car despite everything under the hood being the same as a mustang GT of the same year range.
Sooo a critical piece that was missed was rear end. The 3.27 or 3.55 rear axle makes up a lot of the difference from the 2.73 in the civilian. Also one thing to be corrected is that the civilian does in fact come with dual exhaust as an option.
Civilian Crown Victoria's/Grand Marquis's come with dual exhausts if they were optioned with the trailering package, and they're standard equipment on all Lincoln Town Car's from 2003 onwards, bumping up the power to 239bhp. And if it weren't for the rear end differences, the civilian models with the dual exhaust would pretty much wipe out any performance advantage the P71 has, as the civilian one is about 100lbs lighter. On a side note, civilian Crown Vic's, and especially the Mercury and Lincoln equivalent (at least from my research) usually have less miles than a P71 of the same year, sometimes even significantly so, as the civilian models usually got bought by older folk, who didn't drive them near as much or as hard as P71's were. I have a civilian LTD Crown Vic from 1990 with about 148k miles on the Windsor 302 V8.
Also I love how private citizens (police are civilians, too.. the distinction is peace officer and private citizen) owning these has become a "thing" on TH-cam fairly recently. I hope like in 4 years or so if I'm not able to get one by then, that all the ones with under 100k miles in good condition aren't gone...should be just a matter of time as they're no longer made since I think 2012.
I'm with you man. I owned an 05 grand marquis and traded it for my 07 p71. I like the crown vic because of the performance versatility and customizability and then of course with that go rhino bumper makes my mean cv a badass mean cv lol
after driving crowns over many of years I can truly say I haven't been left on side of the road..o no AAA..OWN A P73 THAT I WOULDN'T HESITATE TO DRIVE TO CALIFORNIA.I LIVE IN FLORIDA.
I have an older P71, a 97 Crown Vic. Don't really see the P71 version of this body style that much anymore. In my small town I've only seen 3 Crown Vics this body style, but I have the only P71 in this body style.
there is a 2011 ford crown Victoria police cruiser for sale and it has everything including the divider between the back and front seats. they guy wants 3500 for it. feels good man.
I just got a x Arizona state highway patrol car , it’s a 2000 and I think it’s only rated at 215 hp but has 355 gears and dual exhaust, from what I read the cold air / mass airflow sensor make the difference between the 215 hp and 250 like yours . Your steering wheel is cooler looking than mine tho and your paint is better, you got a good looking car there.
By the way. You forgot that the sway bars are thicker. And the suspension sits about a half inch lower. The cam shaft and lifters are different in the police version as well. The headlights were way different in the late 90s and early 2000s the police version says on the dash that it can go is 140. However, at 129 the car is vibrating and is screaming lol. It's trying so hard to just keep at 129.
Ik this is 2 years late but same with the grille. My p71 came from a department and had the chrome horizontal grille. I ended up getting and replacing with a black honeycomb though.
Having the LX and the Police Interceptor... I like the LX better. Mainly because the interior. The leather seats are better than the cloth seats. Also have a bench seat in the front. Has a seat belt for a 3rd person in the middle. So you can fit up to 6 people. I can leave my keys in the car because it has a numeric code that I can press to get in. Sunglasses holder. The climate control. Multiple dome lights. The interior is just leagues ahead. My LX only came with one exhaust but the bumper has a cutout for duals... so I went and got magna flows (duals) put on. Also, it seems that Ford uses better paint. My LX has an off white color to it with pin stripes and the paint is still perfect. My PI peels. My PI definitely has more of a kick to it when driving though.
I've got an oddball for ya. 1999 Civilian/ CVPI factory hybrid. Air intake, coils, wiring, dual exhaust, drivetrain... but Civilian interior and exterior and air ride suspension that auto adjusts for weight and speed. 1 owner, bought from the factory through the dealer. Even had to sign an affidavit stating that the car would not be used for Police activities. Just turned 210,000 and she's gor plenty more in her.
Just bought a 2005 P71 with 80k for $1,400. Its dark blue so most likely a Sargent's car/Undercover. It runs great drove it 3 hours home with out a problem. They are pretty much bulletproof if you get a decent one. Anything below 125k and below 6k idle hours your just saving yourself some trouble just been in service longer.
By the way if you still havnt figured out what the switch on your dash does I seen a video of a police officer who had a dash switch and it would change the traffic lights to green in the direction he was going but wouldn't work unless his lights were on!
One thing I find really weird is that my 03 civilian car has dual exhaust and when I raced a 03+ lx I beat it by bus lengths I’ve talked with other enthusiasts about this and they are all confused as well because I know it’s not the rare lx sport model because it doesn’t have the console mounted shifter..
the P71 street package has the best of both worlds. most were used for municipal vehicles all the upgrades for performance but more plush and not abused.
they are starting to dry up around here already didn't have the money and I have missed out on some crazy good deals because of it I am hoping to still snatch one up here in a year or so before they are all gone I love they simple interior and the black mirrors look sporty to me I see it as a poor mans mustang they are very close to 2003 and older performance back when 265 HP on the GT was a lot !! love your car enjoy it and try to stay out of trouble
The Police Interceptor is not the only Crown Vic model with dual exhausts. The civilian Crown Vic in "Sport" trim level also has dual exhaust.
Another difference is Fleet Keying.
Civilian Crown Victorias have individual unique keys for the ignition doors and trunk that aren't able to be used on another Civilian Crown Victoria.
To prevent what we called the "Key Circus" of juggling numerous keys for each police units in our department all of the Ford Crown Victorias in our fleet used the exact same cut keys and one key opened everything on the car and started the ignition and could be used on every other car in the fleet so we usually kept our keys with us at the end of the shift and could use it on any unit we were assigned the next shift.
My advice, change your locks and ignition when you buy a used police unit as someone else who also has one may be able to access yours.
bigger brakes..heavy duty cooling system ..thicker gauge wiring..higher output alternator...different program in ecu..etc etc..same chassis as civilian but the cvpi is a much more durable and rugged vehicle. ..another great vid. and a shout out to k9 jack
onthepin bigger brakes? U wot m8
onthepin, and you just don't know what you're getting with the civilian Crown Victoria as per maintenance such as did the owner service it or neglect it.
Law Enforcement Departments have a regularly scheduled maintenance interval of servicing police units every so many hours our department it was every 80 hours since they were used 24/7 by 2 officers each pulling a 12 hour tour and if you are lucky the civilian Crown Victoria may have been serviced by the regular milage schedule.
more farts per mile
It is NOT that much more durable.
Civilian models are defined and rev lower for longevity more durable maybe the suspension and the cooling is a plus but that’s because they are always flooring it I do think the civilian model intake tube is bs and the gears
I bought a used vehicle from customs and immigration that sat in the back of their lot forever with little miles on it. That was the best car ever.
I think that anyone with a few bucks to spend can have the best of both worlds. Get the P71, and find an old Crown Vic or Grand Marquis in the boneyard with a good interior. Transplant the luxury interior into the P71, and enjoy.
Just a tip, though... Leave the manual HVAC controls in the P71. When an automatic climate control blower controller quits, it costs a fortune to fix, and you'll either freeze or cook until it's fixed.
When the blower speed switch quits, it's cheap to replace the resistor pack, and you can wait until you're ready to do it as the blower will still work on "High".
Ford's Automatic Climate Control systems aren't really that expensive to repair. There are two primary points of failure. If the actual speed control fails on the blower housing, that's about $50 at the parts house for a replacement with a lifetime warranty (make sure you use Dielectric Grease on the connectors, or you'll be banging on it with a screwdriver handle every couple of months to get the blower working again), and most of the time, if the EATC conrol panel is the source of the problem (misrouted vaccum, so no A/C through dash vents and only through defrost vents is common symptom), it's failure of the O-rings, and you can tear that down and replace those for less than $10.
Or just get a civilian model, upgrade the suspension and throttle body spacer, and put in a nice magnaflow dual exhaust, and enjoy all the luxury with the same performance!
Or buy LX Sport. Better than P71
Civilian ones can have dual exhaust too.
Yup
can, but generally dont unless the owner drops money into upgrading it.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf no, depends on trim level
@@Smokey420Greenleaf That's only in pre-'91 models.
I have a 2003 civilian Vic with dual
Always check cop cars for blow by.
Everytime you see one around town its always running.
They may have low miles, but the engine is gonna have way more hours on it than the average car does.
unfortunately, the police are generally required to leave the cars running 24/7 because they cannot afford to shut the cars off and have them not start back up in an emergency situation, thats why most police cars have a way to remove the keys while leaving the engine running, and why they all have an engine idle counter built into the odometer. every hour on the engine idle counter counts as 30 driven miles according to ford.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf not the 98-05 have idle odometer lol
@@Smokey420Greenleaf The feature to leave it running is a button under the floor rubber mat that subs instead of carpet, by the left foot area. Its a concealed button. Shhh. don't tell anyone.
Really the acceleration difference is due to the rear end differences. Civvie CV came with a 2.73, CVPIs came with at least a 3.27.
Most of them are 3:55s with trakloc.
I have 355 locker
I got a 3.27 Trak-lok. 3.27 open was standard while 3.27 Track-Lok was optional. Any one ordered with a 3.55 was a Trak-lok because that was the only way it came.
HI. In my state. Massachusetts, the state police cruisers was equipped with 3.27 gears for faster high way speeds while the local town cops had the 3.55 gears to get them off the line quicker.
Chris Pofahl Yeah, I knew from '98 on the civilian models we sold had 3:55 in them. That seemed about right for regular civilian application. In the fleet dealer's office he had a small info magazine he'd give to prospective customers for the taxi versions and I remember there was two packages for the taxis - the New York model and the San Francisco model. Wish I could recall the differences it listed. I could probably assume different rear end differentials and shift points but not sure.
I just bought a 2009 crown vic with 110k miles and 4k idle hours for $2k but man the car runs perfectly i just drove it from Chicago to Miami, Florida and back and it ran perfectly. My crown vic used to be an ex Michigan state trooper vehicle and the only thing that I don't like about it is that it doesn't have cruise control so driving it to Miami from Chicago(1450 miles one way) without Cruise control really sucked but still for a $2k dollar vehicle it runs beautifully and will probably run great for another 5 to 7 years. The only thing that broke on me was the starter and i replaced the serpentine belt before driving it to Miami because the rubber had bunch of cracks on it. After driving it for 4k miles the thing that surprised me was that it burned zero oil that means the engine is in great condition.
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
That's cool must go right along A
Not a 440. Its a 4.6
I just bought a 2000 P71. The oil sensor didn't work, replaced it, when I changed the oil. It needed an alignment, so I had that done. There was an oil leak in front, it's a power steering hose I will replace. I'll use transmission grade hose. I had to adjust the headlights, they were new housings, whoever installed them had them aimed too low. Replaced one broken hood stop. What I like about this car is that it's not a disposable tin box. It corners nice and flat. The coolant looks good, no oil/coolant mix in the crankcase or cooling system. Transmission shifts well, no slip. I'll be changing the fluid and filter next. A/C works, heater works. Engine is smooth running, no clicks, etc. Shocks are solid, same with tires. It has no wheel covers, I'll get the hub covers. I don't plan to beat the hell out of this car. It will outlive me.
2:30 where he actually gets into it... past all the talking
You mean BABBLING
Went with the Interceptor, best car I ever bought. I tried both, and the handling difference is insane. Although it is a bit rougher sounding on bumps and has more interior noise, the CVPI corners so flat and nicely that for me it was no question. Add in better sounding dual exhaust, the other performance changes, and the cheaper price-it was no question. My '08 Interceptor makes me smile every day, and I strongly encourage anyone who is on the fence to get one while you still can. Try to get one with lower engine hours and you'll be very pleased. Bar none the most reliable and solid car EVER.
One major difference you missed between civi and police models: the police models are lifted a couple inches to take curbs at speed without bottoming out. As a Pittsburgher who must deal with insane potholes, weird steep driveways, and general bad roads/parking, this feature was ESSENTIAL and greatly adds to my satisfaction with the CVPI. In general, it all gives me peace of mind in any driving situation. Pretty great in the snow too, and damn cheap to repair. Get one before they're all gone and the price goes up!
They're already at the 5,000 and 8,000 dollar mark wth? Whyyyy? I was hoping to get a little $1,500 or $900 one and slowly build it up as I'm still using it
@@daviedood2503 because they are going to be classics in 5-10 years that is my prediction
@@يلد-ش2ذ there were SO MANY of them made and lasted like tanks. Did someone go around and destroy most of them to drive up the price since the quality was so high and in abundance? Classics mean there isn't very many of something highly desired. Creates WORTH in folks.
@@daviedood2503 I think it’s because most of them are over 300k mark and rarely I can find them stored
@@يلد-ش2ذ I think u can find some good ones on ebay motors. Outside body looks really good no rust. Found some 2011 models. Inside pristine and engine washed really good as well.
Thats why i decided to buy a lx sport because i thought of all the punishment officers put on the vics. Luckyly the owner prior had all the maintenance paper work done at ford motor company on the car. I think i made a good choice. Both crown vics are amazing. Oh and my car has dual exhaust center shift console leather seats. I got mines for 4500 with 76k miles
Even if they are beaten to shit. A larger department will have their cars worked on immediately if anything goes wrong. And are, in ways, made to handle the punishment. Besides. They're easy to work on and parts are fairly inexpensive.
its mine singular,. just saying,..
What punishment? most just drove around pulling ppl over.
@@whocares5188 Idling all day puts wear on an engine that doesn't show on the odometer.
mrmrlee that’s the point in the engine idle hours gauge. If you hold down the odometer in a cvpi it’ll show the Idle hours.
The difference between the civilian and police counterparts of the Crown Victoria are actually minimal, even in the older boxy models from the 1980s. They share the same general build as a tank and stuff, due to it's the same car. But the police version have minor upgrades for LE use like harder transmissions shifts, stiffer suspension, push bar, or the oil cooler. But being fleet cars they lack any of the optional luxury stuff the top trim regular model (LX) has. That also applies to the taxi. The P71 is may be more internally rugged in comparison, but it's almost certainly abused from pursuits or idling non-stop, so that doesn't help to much. Horsepower wise, the police counterpart has SLIGHTLY higher power/torque, and the old ones have a 351W vs 302 EFI for civilian. To be serious, I rather take the regular version, because having the LX and then modify the car well means you have a Crown Vic that has better performance than the Marauder AND have the luxury options! I know, because I have plans to make my 1989 LX a sleeper.
Ok so can someone answer this question? Who the heck started the trend of covering license plates? 1. I don't care about anyone's license plate, 2. Unless you are law enforcement or government, no one can look up your private information by using your license plate. 3. Your plates are seen by thousands of people everyday and most don't care what your plate says until you break the law. 4. the yellow rags just looked horrible on that beautiful car. I think next time I am in town I will check with DMV and law enforcement to see if this is a legit concern or if people are just being too cautious. Nice Ride though. p.s. clever vanity plates rock!
Covering the licence plate is for security to avoid car thieves and catch a good one
Identity theft and fraud are an art form and every bit of info can help. You'd be amazed.
Barry
I feel the same. Unless you have access to a government database and willing to throw away your career and possibly go to prison no one is going to find you by your license plate
YEA, I DON'T GET THAT LICENCE PLATE THING??
Being cautious!
When he said they were always serviced on time and fixed properly because it was maintained by a police department 😂😂😂 boy if you only knew lmao
Mine came with only 47k. Got it for a grand. But it had a bad trans. Rebuilt it. Now it's indestructible
Mine came with a shit ton of maintenance records.
I always read the p71 had more hp because the dual exhaust. Then p71's sit a inch higher with their stiffer, taller coil springs. P71 also has a aluminum driveshaft or metal matrix composite (MMC) driveshaft. 3.27 or 3.55 rear end gears. I believe some suspension parts are a little different. Like sway bar size, maybe a-arms for taller coils. Handling package gave the p74 rear air bags. Then everything else I believe is the same, year for year. Most of my knowledge is in the 98 to 02 range. As I did some work on my 02 p74. Stainless works duals, 3.31 rear end gears with detroit truetrac diff, aluminium driveshaft, accel coils, iridium plugs, Aem air filter, billet aluminium 4 links, bigger rear sway bar, and some bilstein shocks.
Some units are equipped with street appearance package (P71 Sap), carpet, spot light delete, back tail light section is body color and car has chrome grill, no cage and no push bar. Also have dark mode so when you open doors dome light does not come on, they all have cruise, heavy duty steel wheels, stab panel seats, tighter turning radius, heavy duty steering, engine cooling , transmission cooling plus more. They also have idle hour meter, this calculates idle hours into run hours so oil and fluids have to be changed more often depending on the hours. Idle hours are harder on units than drive hours.
As for being maintained, depends on if it was a shared unit or a take home unit. Shared units typically run 24 -7 all shifts, take home is assigned to an officer and is his/her job to make sure it is maintained and serviced, if not it falls on said officer for neglect.
Some of these also have bullet resistant panels in the doors and a knife resistant place in the backrest. Not real common as it was expensive.
actually any crown vic police interceptor made after 06 should have bullet proof steel paneling in the front doors and the stab resistant seats, it became standard equipment in 06, but that doesnt guarantee your car will still have them as a lot of people make a fortune by buying police interceptors at auction, stripping out any remaining police equipment and replacing it with civilian parts then selling the police equipped parts on ebay for a huge markup.
I drove my 1995 Crown Vic to Florida in 2002, it had 55K on it. I averaged just over 28 mpg. Had a couple of tanks over 30 mpg. So driven conservatively at steady speeds, they are capable of excellent mileage. On the other hand, around town in the dead of winter, I would only get 14 mpg.
I stopped watching when you talked about your cat avatar
Amen~!
I don't care about that. He can put a cat, a mouse, or Saddam Hussein on it for all it matters. BTW, I have a cat. He was a kitten when he showed up, now he's my miniature lion.
Very groovy ride. Had a '77 Fury cop car (30+ years ago). Wicked in a plain package!
MOPAR's were the top cop cars for many years. I drove some Chrysler's and Plymouth's with the 360, 4-barrel in the early '80's as a deputy-sheriff & they ran pretty strong. I bought a 1987 Dodge Diplomat ex-police car and loved it, had a 318 with 360 heads, intake and 4-barrel carb. Had to sell it after a job loss, hurt like hell. I was recently able to find a cherry 2011 Crown Vic with the 4.6 and 3.55 Trac-Loc rear gears, very clean interior. Police cars are hard to beat for dependability and general performance.
I just bought a 2005 Police Interceptor Crown Victoria.
So far I love it. They left the in grill, under the visor mirror, and the alternating head lights....
I enjoy my crown vic...
You should drive with your hands at the three and nine position because if you drive with your hand at the twelve o'clock position like you're doing in this video you run the risk of having your hand slam into your face when the airbag deploys if you should have a crash. That's what they taught us at the Sheriff's Department.
The police version would have been idled excessively, so check the powertrain carefully even if the mileage is low. You should actually be paying less for a former police car, as it's less equipped as far as options and more likely to be abused.
Any crown vic, with handling package, has 3.27:1, traction lock, dual exhaust, and rear stabilizer bar (thicker). Grand Marquis also. So, I'll take a Grand Marquis, with the handling package. Nice car though.
Thanks for the vid! Girlfriends in the past preferred my civilian CV. The soft ride and almost same comparison. Unless you mod a Vic the right way like a Marauder, I'm happy with my civi Vic!! Ford power!
I'm really glad I found this video ... because I'm hoping that either you or one of your readers will know the answer to this very non-standard question about the CVPI:
What's my towing capacity? My B&W CVPI is a 2001, and I haven't been able to find ANYTHING about what all the police upgrades to the engine/transmission/etc. do for that pitiful "1,500#" Crown Vic tow rating. The U-Haul folks who installed my hitch were completely clueless about it, so they were no help either. It took them twice as long as normal to put the heavy-duty hitch on it. As the manager told me when I called to check on it after three hours ... "we've got all the parts spread out around the rear end right now, but we've never put a tow package on a cop car before."
I know that the 4,000# curb weight is a big help on tow weight, but with the cooled engine and transmission, too ... I'm guessing that I can probably VERY safely tow 3,500# ... and I can maybe even tow something equal to my curb weight if I'm REALLY careful and don't rush it ... but all of that's a guess based on what I've learned about safest towing a trailer.
Any solid ideas, anyone? Educated estimations? Outright--but more experienced--guesses than mine? I swear I won't hold you to it! I just want to know if my calculations make you think I'm STONED ... or not ;-)
A: Yes you were stoned. Not to be taken as, that was a dumb question tho. Unfortunately, i don't kno the answer, but from the sounds of it you answered your own question. Very well thought out, and technically inclined. ;)
I would buy the civilian vic mainly because it has luxury interior and features I can just upgrade it and still have a more comfortable car
Not as fast though or as cheap to buy, happy with my p71, as for luxury i can hit pick n pull and swap interiors with a lincoln town car, bam!
Exactly! Good choice!
They come with a bigger alternator as well. Which is nice if you have a lot of electronics to use. IE laptop, lights audio equipments
I have a 96 CVPI and I love it. It is the best car next to the 73 monte that I had.
Must be the “undercover” version, this one has rags mounted over the license plate. Lucky guy
You are wrong .....I own BOTH a 2003 CIVILIAN Crown Vic and a 2011 P7B Police Interceptor ...former Massachusetts State Police cruiser . BOTH HAVE DUAL EXHAUST ....I'm just saying
The crown Victoria sport had dual exhaust and a center console/floor shifter.
Your statement that only the police version had dual exhausts is incorrect. If someone ordered their Crown Vic with the high performance handling package, it also came with dual exhausts and had the higher ratio differential, bigger shocks, sway bar, etc.
My lx has dual exhaust tho 🤔
So does mine. All leather interior and power everything. Air shocks too. 68k miles.
I have a 1998 . I put bucket seats in mine. Oh yeah mine's dual exhaust too.. 😂
can you do donuts and burnouts ona lx
@@SW-bu1zc hell yeah
@@andygarcia282 do you have to like turn off traction or anything so it swings better or what?
Don't forget the aluminium driveshaft and heavy duty steel rims. My 99 had the blue silicone hoses and oil cooler along with the transmission cooler.
I have a civilian 2001 Crown Vic that I inherited from my dad. It now has 149K miles. The paint was bad and had to have it repainted. Other then some maintenance it has been trouble free, reliable and rides like a dream.
All Crown Victoria Police Interceptors come with 4 catalytic converters. All Crown Victoria civilian models come with 2 catalytic converters unless it is the LX Sport.
ATX-CVPI in the Middle East all of the civilian Crown Victoria models comes with 4 catalytic converters
Great video, very informative. A few other facts in no particular order:
1. The 2009 C. V. (last year of production) civilian model MSRP was around $19,000.00; whereas the P71 Police Interceptor MSRP base price started at $29,000.00;
2. The P71 with 250 HP, 300 lb. ft. of Torque had a 3.24:1 rear axle ratio compared to the civilian model with 224 HP, 265 lb. ft. of Torque had a rear axle ratio of 2.76:1 to 2.94:1 --- using less gasoline and a lower RPM for less engine wear at cruising speeds;
3. Dual exhaust system was responsible for the increased HP and Torque on the P71. The 4.6 Litre engines were the same.
4. Transmission shift pointcwere at higher spees and more abrupt on the P71.
5. Much of the heavy duty parts, i. e. 4 core radiator, HD battery, P. S. and transmission oil coolers, HD suspension, were available individually or as part of a towing package on the civilian model at a very low additional cost.
6. The civilian model had a more luxurious interior, better upholstery, flight bench seat with dual center armrests, carpeted floor covering (instead of rubber), padded vinyl interior door panels, trunk release in the glovebox instead of on the dash below the radio (where it could be accidentally opened while driving), better sound insulation, just to name a few.
7. The P71 had hub caps. The civilian model had full wheel covers.
8. The P71 had a harder ride due to a stiffer suspension. The civilian model was much more comfortable.
Big plus on most civi cars: You don't have to worry about a trans rebuild around the avg 120K (and intake manifold) mark due to abuse. Yes, P71s are good and are built to be rugged (albeit not THAT much more rugged than a civi model) but even the transmission and other stuff can only take so much abuse. Odds are you will have a couple of added repairs to go with that whether big or small. Both are good cars but I can say from experience the civi model gets about 20% better fuel economy on average (so easily a few hundred dollar savings per year) and generally less repair costs. Both models are good but if you're getting a police model be very careful and do your homework. Added rear sway bars and a locker can always be added over time to a civilian model as needed and parts in a lot of areas for that could easily be found in a junkyard.
I have a 98 P71. And it is one of my favorite cars to drive. Fast and comfortable. You could hit a speed bump at 50miles a hour and not feel anything due to the upgraded suspension. I would not trade a crown Vic for nothing. Maybe another crown Vic.
The CVPIs with chrome grill and trim instead of the black have what's call the Street Appearance Package AKA SAP.
Being a former police officer I can tell you . We ran the piss out of these. They also can spend a lot and i mean alot of time idling.
I know I'm in the future here, this video just popped up in my recommendations, enjoyed it!
you can't see all the tears I cried while watching this, my heart is crawling dude, ffffuck! I've never seen Any one do these cars justice like you doo!
Cool video and I gave a Thumbs Up.
As someone who has worked at a county vehicle maintenance garage where these vehicles were serviced, I can tell you a lot of those cars were not serviced on time and often were several months late on most work needing done.
LX civilian crown Vic has dual exhaust
Just cause your speedometer says 140 doesn't mean it does it. Most are limited to 121 to keep the driveshaft from whipping through the floor.
Cars and Guitars that's basically what he said, about regular vic's! POLICE cars are not governed like civilian cars
Steve Slayton it's more based on the gearing and driveshaft material used that decides the governed speed/max rpm in 3rd. Not P71 vs civilian. I've seen 3.55 geared early pi civilian vics with a 121 mph governor and my Vic has 3.27 diff with composite drive shaft and 141 mph limit.
p70, extended wheelbase, taxi package
p71, police car
p72, regular taxi package
p73, base model crown Victoria
p74 fully loaded crown victoria
P74 is LX.
You forgot about the crown vic lx sport edition which fires out 239hp. and dual exhausts. Well idk if it fires it out.. no fire comes out the exhaust lol
Far superior over P71
@@jww8642 oh fer sure
You talk to much and don't say nothing really?
Jesus dude he tells his life story and goes on about shit until I lose interest
2 minutes in and I'm already done! Thanks for letting me know .
I agree
I lasted a minute and a half. A wobbly view of the steering wheel is boring enough. Babbling about a kitty did me in.
@@darktigre8214 that chump should get a life and a real girlfriend and get laid. BTW, forget the cat shit too.
Great video! On the police model silly question but you can update the mechanical parts from any auto shop right? Like arm bar, axles, strut spring etc. thanks ❤
The crown victoria never had turn signals in the side mirrors
I have owned 3 of the P71. 95% of the parts ARE interchangeable between the civilian model and the P71 model. Some of the civilian models parts NEED wires added for the options to work. P71 does not have Cruise Control. I have beat the hell out of the P71s that I owned. I drove 40km(25 miles) with 10% traction on the tires on black ice. I love these cars because they are very reliable. All 3 of mine never got plugged in during the winter. No word of a lie that these cars WILL start in minus 65 Celsius with wind chill. Only complaint that I have is that FORD MURDERED a damn good car in May 2011 when the vics production ceased. The last Vic built is in Saudi Arabia from what I recall reading.
do you have a video talking about the differences between the different CVPI's and how to decipher which is which?
cvpi ftw. I love my 06. :)
Grand marquis I believe are only single exhaust. However, Crown Vic Sport models come with dual exhaust, and Lincoln town cars come in both single and (with an optional towing package for some years) a dual exhaust.
you drove right by my house
Don’t forget, CVPI’s generally have steel wheels for durability and larger brakes in the front. They’re also rear impact rated at 75 mph.
actually its the new explorers that are rated for a rear impact at 75mph. crown vics were notorious for gas tanks exploding when hit from behind, that's why they all have warnings about keeping any equipment in the trunk laying side to side in the trunk instead of front to back.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf the CVPI’s were also rear impact rated for 75 miles per hour. The civilian models were not.
My 96 gm was rear ended 35 mph when I was at red light. No damage. Even bumper shocks were intact.
@@kevgregrob2 with the steel spare mounted correctly in the rear
@@Smokey420Greenleaf only with the steel spare mounted correctly in the rear
There are p-71 sold after service with the push bars still mounted, some may be removed but not all for sure.
You forgot the best of both worlds, a SAP vic! For those who don't know what a SAP is, it's a street appearance package police interceptor that is P71 inside, but a Civilian vic outside! The only noticeable exterior thing that came with mine that says cop is one single 6 inch antenna with a chrome base on the back.
Shenandoah Medic the sap also doesn't come with the key pad on the drivers door like a regular civilian cv does. That's a really easy way to tell the difference between the pi and civilian model.
woodenchairs if you know crown vics. The average John q public doesn't look for that though.
I can't believe the sap crown vic wasn't even mentioned. I have a 2011 dark blue street appearance package and I love it with the dark gray bench seat
Ach I love my SAP but when you mention them to people looking for an interceptor, they disregard them because they'd rather look like a cop
Shenandoah Medic that is so the truth. I don't want to be noticed that much.
A trip to the junkyard fixes a lot of the basics! But thats a nice car
The civilian model has a split bench seat with armrest
I got the 2010 crown Vic police interceptor really nice fast as heck lol
It's really a "No Brainer"... The Police Package is far superior over the standard model. It's meant to run 24/7 with Heavy Duty everything equipped. Not to mention, these are P71's are capable of running at sustained speeds of up to 142 MPH for hours if required. A standard Crown Vic would be found D.O.A if put in that situation. The P71 Cop Package are definitely the way to go!
3121cKOne LOL...I remember watching a police chase on TV that seemed to go on forever. No side streets - just full speed down the highway. I laughed when it got to the point of being monotonous for the cops. So long in fact that after a while the radio chatter eventually got quiet until one bored cop finally broke the silence and said "My foot's actually getting sore from having the pedal pressed all the way down for so long." That was hilarious.
I’ve owned several panther cars including a few cvi cars and I’ve abused all of them and have never had mechanical failure in any of them a cvi is just as durable as a pi (maybe even more so because they are mostly babied their whole lives being owned by the elderly) and if you flash the ecu an possibly change the rear diff just as fast (if not faster as they are lighter)..and not to be an ass but a pi doesn’t do 142mph..they top out at 139 and as cvi does 129 (with factory limiters of course)..tunes side by side a cvi will more than likely be the better car
cKOne3121, and unlike the Civilian Crown Victoria which you hope the owner performed the manufacturer required routine maintenance schedule the Police Crown Victoria has undergone as per department requirements regularly scheduled maintenance every so many hours with our department it was every 80 hours since the vehicles were on duty 24/7 and it's in the budget to retire them at 80,000 - 88,000 miles and they'll last easily 500,000 miles.
A Detective, Watch Officer and Chief's Unit is equivalently equipped to the Radio Patrol Units as they are ordered the same just in a different color but they see far less abuse but still are regularly maintained.
The rear gears are the only real difference
I have an lx an it was never use for police work and it has dual exhaust
I have the 2003 P71 My Gross Vehicle weight is 5,945 lbs on the door sticker... and it gets pretty awful gas mileage. One wonders what they removed between my Interceptor and yours that took off a ton.
Personally, I would take the Police Interceptor model. Now, I obviously own one so I may or may not have a biased view lol. Even though many luxuries are sacrificed with the Interceptor model, if you are considering purchasing one, I would go for it. In the end, the Interceptor model has better specs, and is more "performance" orientated. There are Grand Marquis that do have way bigger motors, however those will cost 2-3x more. Also, the Interceptor model does have more of a character to it, and people will pay more attention to it at a car show/meet compared to a regular Crown Vic.
All 98-11 panthers have the same 281 cubic inch..the only exception may be the town car limos and they might be 330 cubic inches but that’s it..marauders come with an aluminum 4.6 (281) dohc but it’s ths same displacement so mercuries do not have “way bigger motors” 😂
The Grand Marquis has the same 4.6 as the Crown Victoria.
The Grand Marquis is exactly the same as the Crown Victoria, only slightly more luxurious.
Hey!
Just got a 2010 crown Vic police interceptor, and I noticed yours has a center console, where did you find that?!
I know it's a little late for questions about your Vic, but do you recall what kind of wind deflectors you had for your windows?
I prever the CVPI models .... Am all for heavy duty. :) keep up the good vids dude :) how old are u and how much is the typical insurance on one usually?
pretty sure a crown vic regardless of the model will be one of the cheapest cars to insure, they're one of the safest and most common cars on the road and aren't considered a sports car despite everything under the hood being the same as a mustang GT of the same year range.
Sooo a critical piece that was missed was rear end. The 3.27 or 3.55 rear axle makes up a lot of the difference from the 2.73 in the civilian.
Also one thing to be corrected is that the civilian does in fact come with dual exhaust as an option.
Civilian Crown Victoria's/Grand Marquis's come with dual exhausts if they were optioned with the trailering package, and they're standard equipment on all Lincoln Town Car's from 2003 onwards, bumping up the power to 239bhp. And if it weren't for the rear end differences, the civilian models with the dual exhaust would pretty much wipe out any performance advantage the P71 has, as the civilian one is about 100lbs lighter. On a side note, civilian Crown Vic's, and especially the Mercury and Lincoln equivalent (at least from my research) usually have less miles than a P71 of the same year, sometimes even significantly so, as the civilian models usually got bought by older folk, who didn't drive them near as much or as hard as P71's were. I have a civilian LTD Crown Vic from 1990 with about 148k miles on the Windsor 302 V8.
I have a 1989 LX.
Also I love how private citizens (police are civilians, too.. the distinction is peace officer and private citizen) owning these has become a "thing" on TH-cam fairly recently. I hope like in 4 years or so if I'm not able to get one by then, that all the ones with under 100k miles in good condition aren't gone...should be just a matter of time as they're no longer made since I think 2012.
I'm with you man. I owned an 05 grand marquis and traded it for my 07 p71. I like the crown vic because of the performance versatility and customizability and then of course with that go rhino bumper makes my mean cv a badass mean cv lol
hey what up well me personally I like the civilian model more for the fact of all the goodies
after driving crowns over many of years I can truly say I haven't been left on side of the road..o no AAA..OWN A P73 THAT I WOULDN'T HESITATE TO DRIVE TO CALIFORNIA.I LIVE IN FLORIDA.
I have an older P71, a 97 Crown Vic. Don't really see the P71 version of this body style that much anymore. In my small town I've only seen 3 Crown Vics this body style, but I have the only P71 in this body style.
there is a 2011 ford crown Victoria police cruiser for sale and it has everything including the divider between the back and front seats. they guy wants 3500 for it. feels good man.
I just got a x Arizona state highway patrol car , it’s a 2000 and I think it’s only rated at 215 hp but has 355 gears and dual exhaust, from what I read the cold air / mass airflow sensor make the difference between the 215 hp and 250 like yours . Your steering wheel is cooler looking than mine tho and your paint is better, you got a good looking car there.
By the way. You forgot that the sway bars are thicker. And the suspension sits about a half inch lower. The cam shaft and lifters are different in the police version as well. The headlights were way different in the late 90s and early 2000s the police version says on the dash that it can go is 140. However, at 129 the car is vibrating and is screaming lol. It's trying so hard to just keep at 129.
not true about the duel exhaust.
All interceptor models have DUAL exhaust..not all of them have a track loc
@@eriv4735 youre right but he said "only p71s camr with dual exhaust" which isnt true, my LX sport has dual exhausts too
piority9 That is true! The LX Sport, like the Marauder came with dual exhaust.
Ik this is 2 years late but same with the grille. My p71 came from a department and had the chrome horizontal grille. I ended up getting and replacing with a black honeycomb though.
Having the LX and the Police Interceptor... I like the LX better. Mainly because the interior. The leather seats are better than the cloth seats. Also have a bench seat in the front. Has a seat belt for a 3rd person in the middle. So you can fit up to 6 people. I can leave my keys in the car because it has a numeric code that I can press to get in. Sunglasses holder. The climate control. Multiple dome lights. The interior is just leagues ahead. My LX only came with one exhaust but the bumper has a cutout for duals... so I went and got magna flows (duals) put on. Also, it seems that Ford uses better paint. My LX has an off white color to it with pin stripes and the paint is still perfect. My PI peels. My PI definitely has more of a kick to it when driving though.
I've got an oddball for ya. 1999 Civilian/ CVPI factory hybrid. Air intake, coils, wiring, dual exhaust, drivetrain... but Civilian interior and exterior and air ride suspension that auto adjusts for weight and speed. 1 owner, bought from the factory through the dealer. Even had to sign an affidavit stating that the car would not be used for Police activities. Just turned 210,000 and she's gor plenty more in her.
Just bought a 2005 P71 with 80k for $1,400. Its dark blue so most likely a Sargent's car/Undercover. It runs great drove it 3 hours home with out a problem. They are pretty much bulletproof if you get a decent one. Anything below 125k and below 6k idle hours your just saving yourself some trouble just been in service longer.
By the way if you still havnt figured out what the switch on your dash does I seen a video of a police officer who had a dash switch and it would change the traffic lights to green in the direction he was going but wouldn't work unless his lights were on!
Strazzy it probably allows the car to run if the key is out of the ignition
No...officers do not control traffic lights ...internet myth
One thing I find really weird is that my 03 civilian car has dual exhaust and when I raced a 03+ lx I beat it by bus lengths I’ve talked with other enthusiasts about this and they are all confused as well because I know it’s not the rare lx sport model because it doesn’t have the console mounted shifter..
Mine too
I prefer a CVPI with the street appearance package
Have the same one too!
The music is so happy
Please kill me
Where did you get the center console? What electronics and communication do you have?
the P71 street package has the best of both worlds. most were used for municipal vehicles all the upgrades for performance but more plush and not abused.
I just want to know if the LX sport has the same brakes and suspension as the police interceptor. Also, did they have the same final drive?
How many Red Bulls did you have?
2:30 is when he FINALLY talks about the differences
The LX came with dual exhaust too
Will the transmission in a civilian model work in a police interceptor and vice versa
they are starting to dry up around here already didn't have the money and I have missed out on some crazy good deals because of it I am hoping to still snatch one up here in a year or so before they are all gone I love they simple interior and the black mirrors look sporty to me I see it as a poor mans mustang they are very close to 2003 and older performance back when 265 HP on the GT was a lot !! love your car enjoy it and try to stay out of trouble