Even if it wasn’t offensive, it still would not be funny. The film has no decent jokes, and I am non-binary. There are plenty of jokes that can be made at my expense that I might actually laugh at.
I find it interesting that the mystery of Pat's identity could not be solved when the movie came out, but now that we live in more enlightened times it's evident to whoever watches the film that Pat's gender is Annoying
@@paulhammond6978 I like both!!! But that makes me wonder do I still have time to make it my drag queen name as well as my band name Or has someone taken it already? I need something for pride and I’m rainbow panicking.
@@Franklyfun935 at least 433 people care and you cared enough to decide leaving an at best idiotic comment under a video that is about this exact topic that has been watched over 300.000 times and liked by 19.000 plus people...I'd be willing to bet people do care and you are just a hateful asshole.
I love how intimidated Pat was by being asked what their sex is, but not scared to walk up to random black men and accuse them of being thieves and gangsters.
A reminder from an older Non-binary person. In the 80's and 90's society had a very polar view of androgyny and gender uncertainty. If you were beautiful, in a band or some kind of pop icon, then androgyny was celebrated and people loved it. If you were just ordinary, awkward, a body type that the public didn't decide was hot, then people were cruel and horrible stereotypes defined it. Pat was just another example of how people created horrid characters to depict people who were different. The same period was pretty horrible with one dimensional gay and lesbian characters. Of course people looking at Pat today would see it as a pretty horrible interpretation of androgyny and a very biased one intended to make mainstream people at that time laugh. The same way racist cartoons did in the 1940s. I was fairly androgynous in the 80-90s, but I was very alternative, so it only led to problems with toxic male strangers when out in the city. But I had a friend who was overweight, shy and pretty terrible at social interactions. She looked gender ambiguous and people gave her hell for it all the time, so much so that she lashed out at people often and made things worst. She didn't survive the 1990s after turning to self destructive behavior and self hate. Pat reminds me of that time, before we had terms and any kind of support in a society that was pretty terrible and cruel.
they unintentionally slayed with the concept of everyone being obsessed with 'figuring out pat's sex' only for it to be always avoided in cartoonishly convoluted ways
Growing up (in the 90's and 00's), I vividly remember my dad often shrugging and saying "It's Pat!" whenever confused conversation happened related to androgyny. I had literally never heard of this character or film until just now. Apparently my dad was at least aware of it enough to reference them pretty frequently. The weirdest part about this is, I'm pretty confident my dad never actually watched this film, and whenever he shrugged and said "It's Pat!" about someone or something it wasn't as a mockery. It was more of a "I guess I just won't ever/dont need to know their assigned gender!" which, in a completely ironic way, was really a form of 90's/00's LGBT+ acceptance. I started to say "It's Pat," and so did the rest of my nuclear family, but we all meant it as "don't ask further about their gender, we don't need to know" in our own family short-form. We all know the correct language now, of course, but I'm honestly stunned to learn that a genderless nickname my family once used has its origins in such a hateful character/film! I feel terrible now!
Pat defender here: your family was picking up on something that wasn't commonly in the discourse at the time and was open to it. I like to think this shorthand actually led to acceptance rather than ridicule ... mileage may vary
That's a really sweet story! Honestly I feel like if Pat had been written and played somewhat differently, it could have shifted into a positive portrayal where the point is that you never get to know Pat's sex and that's ok, and the butt of the joke is people being weird and nosy trying to figure it out, and revealing their reliance on stereotypes and sexism. I honestly feel like someone (very brave) could reboot Pat for the modern day, but with that shift in concept.
It's PAT! was shorthand for mind your own fucking business. Queer shit in the 90's/00's (ESPECIALLY in middle america) was necessarily "the best defense is a good offense". Leave me the fuck alone was the prompt for a lot of high school GSA's in the heartland.
To be fair, it started in the sketches, which are just way more of a kind-of ignorant "We don't know people like this so it's just the bit" type of thing. Like, it's not coming from a place of malice, it's just the only way people have to understand what this is. It's basically the nonbinary equivalent of someone walking up to a black guy and quoting Snoop Dog. Not great, but at least I get the impression they're kind-of trying? It's just VERY much driven by ignorance where all they have to go off of is super limited glimpses into the thing from pop culture. Representation! It matters.
I have this weird appreciation for Pat because, as a nonbinary kid in the south who didn't have the language to express myself, Pat was the closest thing to comprehending my gender at the time. Like... I had no concept of what was good or bad queer representation (I was literally in elementary school when I saw this movie) So I was just like "Ohhh people can look like both? People can look at me and be confused? People don't have to know what gender I am the second they see me? I want that! I want that soooo bad!" People at school, and in my family, started calling me Pat when I began to dressing in a way that reflected my gender, which was pretty close to how Pat dressed tbh. And yeah, that sucked, but I still felt seen by Pat. Because Pat "got it". Pat dressed in a way that made them comfy, and I wanted that comfort too. Obviously I don't feel that for Pat anymore and recognize how harmful the character was, but 1998 me loved that problematic mess of a character.
*PAT* was not a bad queer representation because Pat was not trying to represent anything. You are so self centered that you are projecting that onto a character you know nothing about. Stop being played like a puppet following these elite agendas to get you triggered. Seek Truth, not excessive self centeredness.
It's really weird to revisit these sketches in 2023 after not seeing them since I was a literal child. Learning that the character only came to fruition after Julia Sweeney basically just sucked at being a drag king is kind of hilarious though
@@janerecluse4344it’s not hard? It was about how others reacted. So unless you can successfully convince people you are the opposite sex, you wouldn’t be believable either. And, hate to break it to you, everyone knows what sex other people are.
@@bobbythompson4268 LOL that's funny, when people are stopping cis women from going into restrooms because they have short hair or dungarees and MIGHT BE TRANS!!! or calling cis men girls because they have long hair but no, you're right, people just automatically know what sex someone is by the merest glance...
@@ZiddersRooFurry not difficult at all for me to see who’s really what they are and who’s playing dress up. Nothing wrong with it, I can just always tell.
Yep - you just keep proving what a load of rubbish the whole concept is - you know what would happen if you you tried driving a car with 2 steering wheels? You crash 😂
okay so i’m back to rewatch this cause i just remembered that after watching this movie as a kid i made up a sort of ‘game’ with my friends. the premise of this ‘game’ was basically me roleplaying as pat 😭 while my friends would throw out reaons for me being a boy or a girl. anyway i’m transgender now
I’ve gotten so many comments like this I knew the existence of Pat had a bad effect on some people but I didn’t know just how widespread it was until now
@@CreoTanYeah! People respect David Bowie's artistry to this day and Tim Curry served absolute cunt in that movie. Pat Riley just sucks and is annoying
9:05 As an also nonbinary named Chris, I have to agree, I *do* deserve better than Pat. I'm not going to stop watching this video, but I still deserve better than Pat.
Just like how they had the opportunity to use Peter Allen for their pride celebrations every year. Here's why I say this: The musical about his life is called The Boy From Oz and Disney owns the rights to The Wizard of Oz. Disney can afford the rights to use Peter Allen's songs and likeness for a pride parade. It would be incredible to see them make Wizard of Oz parade float based on the Wizard of Oz references in the Only An Older Woman song from The Boy From Oz. Also, the original version of the When I Get My Name In Lights song from Peter Allen's Legs Diamond musical would be perfect as the opening song that would begin this hypothetical parade.
I guess Pat's sex was the friends we made along the way all along. Imagine living in a world with people obsessed and losing sleep over what other people have between their legs, so glad that only happens in fiction ;(
@@christoffesedao3579 I would recommend doing basic research on what "sexuality" is before replying to comment obviously referring to biological sex, your age is showing. [That age being really young or old is up for debate]
It's not that someone is "obsessed" as if the confused person has some sort of neurosis. In fact, the most significant difference between any two people is defined by their sex, and the human brain is wired so that's the first thing you notice about someone, before their size or race or anything else. Male and female is in our DNA, and the complementary attributes of our sex form the foundations of human society. So, like it or not, people are naturally and innately disturbed when someone is around and it's not clear what they are. It's not even a conscious choice. You can decide it doesn't matter, sure, but it's still there. This character, movie, etc., just made fun of all that.
@@moemoetheclown7996 Replace “sexuality” with any other term related to sex, biological sex, gender identity, race, political stance, etc. These are all materialistic temporary things. You avoid the bigger issue by trying to personally attack me and discredit me. That does not work. My credibility and age do not change truth. These false identities are being obsessed over and idolized. We are so much more than our sexuality, gender identity, nationality, or political party. These things are being used to blind us of spiritual eternity. You need to step out of these deceptions and seek the Truth. Your woke deception is showing. “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6 Yeshua / Jesus from the Gospel of John “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9
I'm AMAB somewhere in the neighborhood of transfeminine non binary. Legally transitioned to female. Anyhoo. I give Julia Sweeney a pass. She is trying to make amends and 29 yrs ago we were not on most people's radar. She seems to be a person of goodwill. I'm old lol. I was 33 when this came out. I remember watching it on SNL and found it hurtful but I also thought the people involved in writing and acting didn't know any better. I stayed in the closet until 2016. I really think it is an indictment of our society and explains why so many people are traumatized with internalized transphobia. We didn't want anyone to know our deep dark secret because we had been brainwashed along with everyone else to think it was shameful and funny. I wish I was 20 something and coming of age now. But on the other hand I am glad I wasn't born 100 yrs ago and would have taken this secret to my grave. I am a very public gender non conforming person with lots of cishet friends. I am glad I am helping move the needle in society toward justice and acceptance. There is still a long way to go especially lately. Thank you for posting this.
I’m just a straight guy who was a teenager in the 90s. My upbringing in evangelicalism taught me that gay people were sinful, and that we were in a culture war against them. My mom and dad boycotted Disney and other companies (for a while) when they came out in support. As an adult I look back and see the many errors of what I was taught. I learned to accept and see that gay people are actually a totally normal thing, in part due to recent interactions, and in part due to stories that I reflected on from my childhood. I have also learned to understand trans people better, but I will admit I still struggle to understand. It will come with time, I am sure, just like it did with gay people. But here is one thing that I have found helpful: I started to re-watch some of my faves, such as ace ventura, life of Brian, etc. There are some direct and/or indirect jests at trans people in those movies. I still appreciate the movies for what they are, but now I also make an acknowledgment of the shortcomings toward these people that unfortunately weren’t really true humor with them, rather, humor at their expense. How did this help me? Because it was a history lesson: It showed me that these people have always existed… i mean when was life of Brian made, in the ‘70s? I never even noticed these parts of these movies in the past, but now they stick out to me like a sore thumb. And the fact that these different types of people have always existed tells me that it’s a real legitimate thing to be like that. The mistakes of movie past help me remember this is legit thing (if it didn’t exist they wouldn’t have been making fun of it). I truly hope we can have some good comedy in The future that makes fun of all of us (laughing with, not against), because that’s what would truly be funny with no cringe moments for decades to come. My apologies if my reply is not very well worded, but basically a little bit of film history showed me just how real people are that are different from me. Yes, the jabs in these movies are unfortunate and were hurtful at the time as well as now, but at least it can point out that these people are real, and we should change our perspectives now because of that. I have both gay and trans people in my life and love them so much. I may not always understand, but sometimes I remind myself that I don’t have to fully understand everything to still love and accept.
Junior (with Arnold Schwarzenegger) was really interesting, simultaneously less feminist and more feminist than you think it will be, simultaneously less transphobic and more transphobic than you think it will be.
I physically crumpled when Pat's pants got torn off. The humiliation and trauma inflicted on a character for the sake of a bad joke. I need to wash that scene out of my eyes
Its amazing that it was a different era and we weren't trained to virtue signal. We knew it was a fake show with wicked mean humour such as many of the other characters. We knew not to treat people like that in real life.
I physically crumpled reading how triggered you are by a fictitious character that everyone laughed about in the 90s, including us gay and trans people. Get over yourself. You are being deceived by an elite agenda to get you in your feelings instead of seeking truth. You are being played and trapped into excessive self centeredness. It’s a disease to keep the masses blind and dumb.
@@VelveteenRabbit77 "I cackle with laughter as I watch a marginalised character get bullied and humiliated for being different. The joke is that they got their clothes torn off and all the normal people were disgusted by their weird naked body. It's funny because the people in the audience are normal, and Pat is abnormal. I think it's funny when people who are outside the norm get mocked and humiliated. That makes me laugh. I'm not a bad person because.... ummm... dark humour? It's just fictional anyway. If real people got bullied as a result of this movie I don't care. If real people saw a reflection of the way they were bullied in real life, and then turned to see the whole audience laughing along with the bullies, laughing at someone like them being shamed... well I don't care! I'm one of the people laughing! Bullying marginalised people and making them feel even more alienated and ashamed is hilarious, and if you say it isn't you're just virtue signalling!!!"
"Hey, you know how the big problem with SNL movies is that they're based on a character who has 1 joke that's funny in a 1 minute sketch but not in a full movie?" "Yeah." "Well how about we make a movie based on a character who has 1 joke that's not funny ever, even in a 1 minute sketch? "...I'm in."
Ive always been fascinated with this charicter. I was a pretty adrodgyns kid and I liked seeing someone else deal with the same shit I was. I also liked how Pat never actually revealed their gender and people just had to deal with it. I tried to be like that. It gave me comfort. I know i cant spell..
Same. The part that stuck with me most was how badly other people *needed* Pat's gender to be clearly defined as a woman or a man and the absurd lengths they would go to try to force an answer. To me, that was the joke. I clearly forgot the more problematic aspects of the character, but as a kid I saw Pat's neurotic personality as a reaction to how inappropriate and persistent other people always were about their androgyny.
And this, right here, is why most people claim to be non-binary. Desperate need to be paid attention to. Desperate need to be special. Desperate need to be able to attack anyone who doesn't go along with their imaginary status.
Pat could have been an Icon if she would have just played the character as heartwarming and charming- making everyone wanna know what's in their pants because they want to sleep with them, ending the sketches with them doing it without ever finding out. also, you aren't being supportive enough!!
Notice how everyone liked Chris? The Kids in the Hall were always so successful in drag because they did it with such sincerity, as actors doing a role rather than making a joke. Chris is what could have been.
Basically the bunch who insist they're "non binary" are just people who are desperate for attention, and manage to be horribly ugly in the process. I don't see that in this group, but the ones screaming about it all the time are hideous. Nobody wants to be forced to have sex with someone that has the wrong genitalia. Being supportive would be telling you people that you aren't a special creation, and you need to stop pretending that imaginary sexual status means you're trans. Trans people don't want to be part of your fad and they don't want you pretending to be one of them. Pay attention to Actual Trans People and stop with this nonsense. The proof that you're full of it are all the ones that think they can change their "pronouns" at a whim. Get over yourselves. "Non binary" is not the same as trans. Trans people have a very specific mental condition that made them that way. They didn't decide they were trans because it was a great way to get everyone paying attention to them. You people are as delusional as trump supporters. The same sort of illogical thinking aimed in a totally different direction.
They kinda did this on SNL a few seasons after It's Pat's heyday with a character called Mango, really flamboyant androgynous dancer played by Chris Kattan. Not sure how well those aged by comparison tbh but the joke was basically a subversion of Pat
@shikonaori I felt Mango succeeded in the humor department. Pat was always annoying. Gender aside, I just found Pat an annoying nerd trope à la Urkel.
That wouldn't have worked in the 90's. The comedy back then was different and a sign of the times. I thought the movie was so funny when I saw it as a teenager back then.
Ok honestly the "Thats a federal offense, Pat." "...being gay?" caught me so off gaurd i actually laughed out loud. That was funny Also, Spokane is pronounced Spo-can. I dont know why its spelled the way it is, everyone who isnt from here pronounes it Spo-cane because thats what makes sense from the way its spelled, but it is :L Also also, you're hilarious & i will now have to check out the rest of your video catalog
I grew up with Pat and as a kid I never understood why knowing their gender was so important. I still don’t understand why knowing gender is important. I just thought Pat existing was cool.
This is pretty much the non binary experience, we are us, something in between, both, nothing or beyond and we know who we are and just want to exist. The world distinctly wishes to label us, we make minds cramp because we are not easily categorized or “figured out”
I’d presume that people want to know so they know how to flirt, flirting depends on the person and which sex they are. The creepy neighbor even admitted he wanted to persue a sexual relationship but needed to know if they were physically compatible. Whatever that ended up being, if pat was argue opposite then it probably wouldn’t work out
Today's younger generation basically do not care. It is the older people, who grew up before "non binary" terms existed ... they cant handle it because they lived before these terms/titles existed, so that they cant understand ... people are always afraid of things that they cant understand to the point that it angers them and they need to clarify it.
Hoping to see a beautiful alliance of solidarity and support between non binary people and the seemingly real cis guy that pat is apparently an unbelievably cruel caricature of
Irony of it all is that I know a very much cis-het guy who is exactly like every single awful aspect of Pat....whiny, unemployable, annoying af, and I swear to gods this guy has the same awful .... laugh? Luckily the guy I know (who is also a colossal homophobe and transphobe) lives far enough away and out of my social circles to keep him from becoming my first homicide victim.
Honestly i was waiting for someone to cover this movie. As a non-binary person i appreciate your sacrifice of watching this movie(?) Edit: Alright, i did some thinking and i ain't non-binary, the point still stands tho
I had literally no idea this existed and it’s like discovering a whole new genre of offensive jokes. This feels like it’s from a different universe that’s just as transphobic, but where everyone knows nonbinary people exist. But like, they’re Not happy about it.
It isn't transphobic to be against an imaginary status. Trans people don't want to be part of your fantasy world. Trans people actually exist, and the bandwagon jumpers are not part of their group, as desperate as they are to be special, and treated that way.
@@anastasiae.5338 As a trans woman, don't assume you speak for us, because you don't. Non-Binary people absolutely exist, and their gender identities are just as valid as anyone else's. Just because someone doesn't identify with she/her pronouns or he/him pronouns, doesn't mean that their gender isn't valid. Don't be a "pick-me" trans person, or a transmedicalist (both of those are really just horrible cases of internalized transphobia and a lack of self esteem anyway), and most certainly don't take the hatred given to us and turn it back on Non-Binary people, they don't deserve it just like we don't deserve it.
@@anastasiae.5338 real ballsy move to claim nonbinary people arent real when theyve not only been around longer than you but basically since the begining of time
"You're not being supportive enough!" I'm AMAB and relate more to Chris's presentation, but I have Pat's eyebrows. I used to have Pat's taste in shirts too, but I'm past that part of my life now.
Best shot was you screaming into your pillow😂. I watched this back in the 90's, I'm 70. And never found it remotely funny. But when non binary was explained i knew that was me. At different times in my life ive been called sir and madam 😂. But im just Willo🎉. Thanks for a great video😊
me, as an asexual, have always wanted to watch The 40 year Old Virgin just to suffer. i haven't done that yet, and honestly i don't really know if it would be that offensive to asexuals, but here's a suggestion! these videos are very entertaining lol
I’m ace. I’ve seen it. It’s horrendous. Main character’s friends start off supportive, but then seem to be embarrassed their friend has never had sex. They force him to jerk off by shoving porn at him, they send a sex worker to his house without warning… It’d be one thing if main character approved of that but he didn’t. The rest of the movie doesn’t help either. Steve Carrell is essentially a level-headed Michael Scott and the movie begins with his neighbours mumbling to each other “He needs to get laid”.
@@d_alistair-years The only funny part I remember about that movie is Steve Carrell saying that he thinks breasts are like "bags full of sand". The rest was cringe
Stop calling people cis when they don't want to be called that. Plus we're not fucking obsessed with it we get it shoved down our fucking throats constantly. To the point of saying biological sex isn't real and that I have to use certain words or I go to jail. Yea that's more than people just being obsessed. You see it from one side only and don't even try to see it differently. Also when you start bringing kids into it of course people are going to talk about it. Having people chant "were coming for your kids" isn't a good look bo matter who it is. Plus having kids in pride parades with naked men in front of the kids bending over and letting them see all the kink shit and watch grown men ride bikes naked yea we have a fucking problem with it.
I’d say he might be more like a cis man who’s bi/pan and projects the image that he’s progressive while sexualizing and objectifying trans people and/or everyone (I’ve met this type of guy)
I remember really enjoying It's Pat when I was a kid, because I didn't know what non-binary was yet, but I knew I wanted to be as confusingly androgynous as Pat.
I don't believe that it had formed officially. David Bowie - gender bender. Tim Curry - Sweet transvestite. Actually two original Sailor Moon characters were non binary, in the original Japanese. They always had a culture of androgyny.
i feel like in better hands, Pat would’ve been an excellent critique on cis society’s obsession with gender roles. the joke of Kyle getting utterly obsessed with Pat’s assigned sex has genuine potential. but no. me when the movie isn’t being supportive enough.
I feel like rebooting already well-received, popular movies is so stupid and I TRULY WISH they would start re-making movies that had a decent concept and atrocious execution..
I was a teenager during the Pat sketches, and it may have been due to my youthful inexperience, but I always thought the purpose of them was to highlight the foolishness of people trying to assign Pat into a "category." Idk. I was young.
Even in their current terrible shape the skits sometimes feel like they're mocking people's "need" to know. If Sweeney had completely dropped their original idea and ran with the single joke, the skits would be a lot more ambiguous even without intending it.
SMH no need to use cis. It’s society in general. Not only straight people believe in gender roles. Wtf is y’all’s issue with not using the cis term you aren’t even using it correctly
I want an A24 spiritual sequel that's all about Chris learning to love themself enough to date someone who isn't a self-centered [insert genitalia-based insult here]. (also 12:40 yOU'rE nOt bEIng sUppOrtivE EnOUgh)
You want her to support delusional people? Is that what you're insisting? That she play along with the fantasy world you live in? Being supportive is not helping people delude themselves. It's giving them reality straight without coddling them.
I was in college in 1994. I am overweight and nonbinary (and my gender expression was more femme back then). I *continue* to be compared to Pat by contemporaries. Nowadays my gender expression is pretty androgynous ( I get read as both a boy and girl equally), and it's only gotten worse since then.
It’s a huge shame that Showtime removed Work in Progress from streaming already because the effect that Pat had like that is a major plot point and the show explicitly does not try to redeem Sweeney for it even though she’s in the show
I bet it doesn't keep you from spewing bile at anyone who doesn't play along with it, though, does it? Imagine all of these people so obsessed with being special that they have to announce "what" they are at the drop of a hat. I don't know if it's the desperation to be special or the desperation to be paid attention to. So you're either gay or you never got out of your tom boy phase. Or both. Or you're a guy. I don't even really care. Nobody else really does either. The only thing that's gotten worse is people thinking they get to assign themselves special genders because there's nothing else to them. There is absolutely no reason a grown adult should be buying into this nonsense.
@@eeeeks It wasn’t cancelled like that, non-binary people loved that show too I think everyone who saw it loved it. It was cancelled after 2 seasons by Showtime because it wasn’t pulling in enough views sadly. I have no idea why it isn’t available to stream though, streaming services removing exclusive content is a huge issue now. Some of these things don’t get physical media released either so they basically get lost forever. At least Work in Progress is available to buy but I wish they would just put it back on Showtime
I’m happy that this movie is getting more attention because Ween is in it and they’re amazing. I grew up watching Pat skits on SNL with my aunt and her VERY CLOSE FRIEND Pat. Who was a lot more Long Island than the character. But, maybe just because of the times and the fact that I haven’t given a critical watch with my better eyes, but it always felt more like an inside joke that I was a part of, and we were freaking out the squares who couldn’t understand our absurdist mystery.
@@elkpapa apparently I don't love them enough to pay $500+ for a single ticket to their most recent show buuuuuut they still put the twirl on my world.
The first time I watched this I had just an intense attraction for Chris and it made me realize some really important things about myself so for that reason I appreciate its existence
@@TheeCharlieCollective That was more what I was thinking the thought process was. "The man would obviously be the one who drives so... what if they're both driving?!" "Genius!" "Box Office Dynamite!"
@@jadedheartsz what I was referring to wasn't about her performance. I was talking about the jokes, the script, and other things regarding the production.
Back then, it was just so HORRIBLY awful that it became hysterical the first few skits that she did. Could never have worked as a full-length film. I think it's just that so many people have to admit they've seen people like this and were obsessed with "knowing one way or another". And then realizing it was "just a person" and it really was "none of our business".
And as a suggestion, I would show queer young adults (born after 1994) Torch Song Trilogy. It's a pretty honest look at gay life in the early 80s. It depicts a reality that doesn't exist in the same way in the 2010's and 2020's. It was written and starred a very young (and very thin) Harvey Firestein, as well as Matthew Broderick. I will admit, it's one of my favorite movies, but mostly for showing a time in queer history that could be easily forgotten. We lost an entire generation of storytellers and historians to the HIV/AIDS crisis. This movie helps fill some of the holes without being a dry documentary.
"It's a Sin" is a recent TV series by Russell T Davies that covers a similar period (80s gay life) but from a British perspective - and it is excellent.
Another great one is _Parting Glances_ (1986). It not only is Steve Buscemi's second feature film, but it has Kathy Kinney appearing in an actual role. The film was a low-budget but high-quality labor of love by writer and director Bill Sherwood, who made just this one film before his death from AIDS in 1990 at age 37.
See, the problem with your videos Eva, is that you explain the bad movies in a way that's too funny. After seeing this I unironically want to see the film lmao. 😂😂
It's very bad don't watch it. Even aside from the obvious reasons it's problematic it's just very poorly written and they spend the entire running time beating the one very unfunny joke to death.
"Chris deserves better." ❤ Film recommendation: "Dressed To Kill". It's absolute garbage but it's a guilty pleasure. Brian DePalma directed and it stars Angie Dickinson and Michael Caine. Most of the movie feels inspired by Hitchcock except dirtier. The offensive part is at the end when the twist is revealed. It's bananas.
Maybe a hot take, but here goes. I feel like a decent amount of the jokes in the Pat-o-verse could work as a solid cultural critique, even today, in that they gravitate around cis people's inability to deal with non-binary people and with ambiguity in a general sense. Their inability to move on from the "mystery" and their repeating failure to discover the "truth" of Pat's sex could potentially play, given the right writing and circumstances. If Pat were confident and successful, the humor would land so differently. It could still feel gross in that they're crossing personal lines (like speculating about your coworker's favorite sexual positions), but that's within the realm of a skillful writer, and it's no longer at Pat's expense. Instead, Pat is intentionally written as an offputting freakshow, and Pat's clueless or intentionally confusing behavior toward the question doesn't help either. This was not the right character to be many people's first exposure to the concept of non-binary people, and even now it'd still be pretty impossible to do right.
Exactly !! I think some people are missing the point by thinking that the jokes alone are what's offensive, but it's mostly the way they portrayed Pat that sucks. I totally agree that this concept could work if it was done with a little more tact and understanding
Agreed! The negative recent comments are unhinged. The joke is how everyone used gender-neutral terms so easily, but somehow still wanted to know whether Pat was born male or female. Truly a hilarious gem, and I love how accepting they are to Pat. But let's be honest - in that day and age, someone would have straight up asked or used a gendered term just to figure it out, with no hesitation, like that "hood" guy did.
Agreed. I think if Pat was a loveable character, still a bit weird even but not in an off-putting way, it would be a lot different. The main message could that they get frustrated with their coworkers constantly trying to figure out what's in their pants so they go through jobs like crazy, because someone always end up going too far, or even that they get fired a lot because they get blamed for a bunch of mishaps. It could be a classic "it's what's on the inside that counts" (and more subtlety "don't be weird/nosy towards people's personal lives") message, rather than whatever it already is. But alas, this was the 90s.
OH MY GOD- you just unlocked so many memories Non binary person here, when I first started talking to my dad about being more gender neutral he immediately went “OH! Like Pat!” And I was very confused, so he had me look up some clips and they were… interesting, I tried to remember it was years ago it was made but couldn’t help but take some offense. I mean at least he got the idea!
@@tatehildyard5332 (I like it too, but tbf, I'm one of the bisexuals who could, if pressed, punch a lesbian over their failure to acknowledge the textual evidence that Alyssa is actually bi but when faced with heteronormativity, threw in her lot with lesbians because she hoped they would understand her more.)
@@erraticonteuse I'm bi too and I can see why this movie can rub a lot of people the wrong way, but I think it's heart is consistently in the right place enough, it was cool seeing a bi person with as much personal and social agency as Alyssa, Banky's latent (bro)mo-erotic tension with both Holden and Hooper...spoke to me, and it rightfully makes Holden out to be an entitled, judgmental asshole.
I love that you did this so much. It's Pat did not need to exist as a piece of media. But since it did, it needs to be looked at contexrtually. This stuff was on when I was a young adult, my peers learned the wrong ways to treat people from it, and it made me uncomfortable but back then I didn't have the language of why. I am so happy to see how things have improved in my lifetime but we have so far to go. I am gonna subscribe as probably your most elderly viewer
So a mean-spirited impersonation of her colleague snowballed into a mean-spirited caricature of all gender nonconforming people, and this was somehow easier than just taking acting classes? Actually most shocking is that people still treat this as some kind of subversive, ahead-of-its-time comic masterpiece when it runs on _one joke_
So a bunch of tik tokers have made a bunch of desperate people decide they're "gender non conforming"? What happened to just being bisexual or gay? Not enough to be special anymore? What's mean spirited is the people pushing your agenda and accusing anyone who doesn't feed into your fantasy world as some sort of "phobe". You people need to grow up and stop being so self-obsessed.
Even watching the old SNL skits as a kid, I was confused by how offputting and unlikeable Pat was. It's just such a strange choice, especially when the theme song talks about acceptance. Was that supposed to be ironic?
Wait...who is treating this like some kind of subebersive,ahead-of-its-time comic masterpiece? I thought everybody was like me and completely forgot about this movie almost immediately.
Ok, I want to make it clear I'm not disagreeing with you. This is of it's time, and I'm thankful it's now looked down on.... however, I was in high school during this period of SNL and me and my queer friends at the time (especially my butch girlfriend) loved SNL because there was almost no representation in media at all. And we were just trying to get through highschool while being bullied daily. So, when people talk about it being in some way groundbreaking, that's what they mean. When there's no representation, even a bad joke feels like it's better than nothing... or it did then. It was bringing up the issue of gender non-conformity before most people knew what it was.
"It's Pat" was on TV once in the mid-90s. It's one of the few times I can remember most of my family actually just randomly watching a movie together. We were transfixed ... that's the only word I can think to use there but it feels weird in the moment. Anyway, sometimes I feel sad that the nature of media is such that my son will never be randomly sucked into a movie he would normally never watch just because it happened to be on TV. Then I remember what happened to my family and "It's Pat."
Honestly Chris is the true nonbinary dream for me, they have a confusing gender presentation that no one can figure out what they wete assigned at birth, yet is sweet and nice. They deserved the best yet they got pat
*PAT* was not a misrepresentation of trans people. Pat was not trans. You are projecting that onto Pat. You really need to stop being manipulated by the elite agendas to get you triggered. Seek Truth, not self centeredness.
I distinctly remember when Pat sketches started on SNL. I'm embarrassed to admit that I thought it was cool that there was a character who was neither a boy or a girl! I was a little kid and didn't realize that Pat *wasn't* neither a boy or girl but was actually a hateful joke.
No it wasn't. There have always been people who are questionable. Just not so many of them insisting that they get to be some new, imaginary sexual status. People have grown more pathetic in their attempts to get everyone paying attention to them. If they had banned Tik Tok sooner, most of you would be focusing on something that actually mattered.
I'm non-binary and back in the day I remember seeing it's Pat on television and enjoying the film. The characters seemed a little weird but I'm a little weird too. At the time I wasn't as sensitive to a lot of the way that hateful people act and didn't realize how terrible a lot of these jokes were. Honestly I'm glad that I got to see non-binary and androgynous characters represented on television and I wish I could pull off androgyny but are glad that movies like this don't really get made anymore as well. We have a far richer vocabulary for discussing these issues these days and I am thankful for it. Being a little bit too old for SpongeBob oh, it's Pat is literally the only thing I know about ween
I remember my mom explaining pat to me as a kid and I said “I don’t get it?” And she was like “you can’t tell if pat is a boy or a girl, that’s why it’s funny” and even as a kid I was like “um, what?” The whole concept didn’t sit right with me and I didn’t know why. I’m a non-binary trans man so it came full circle.
@@adamcunningham3763 not everyone has a gender expression that sits completely within the two binaries (masc-fem) some people lean more masc or fem with agender or nonbinary or gender neutral being a secondary gender they experience. I myself am bigender/gender flux between demigirl and nutrois.
I had a cis friend who was obsessed with "It's Pat" and he would make our DnD group watch clips from it all the time. I was actually thinking about it again recently. Obviously the point here is the movie breaks down when you stop caring about Pat's gender and start caring about what a terrible person Pat is to just about everyone lol. Also surely Pat could be any gender, and also be intersex which is what I always assumed was the distasteful joke, but looking at it now, even that would be too complex and nuanced for an 80s - 90s SNL sketch. Anyways, I'm glad I could revisit the horror of "It's Pat" in a safe and controlled environment lol
First two Cross dressers I met were, married, straight men. Glam rock and independent fim had gender bender behavior. David Bowie in the labrinth. And he was a 'cis' man - but an icon to the queer community. The word cis is being forced out. I'm practicing.
Very interesting take. Great vid. I found this movie to be hilarious, but mostly because pat is insufferable. I didn't know anything about non-binary or gender fluid folks during my first watch and I'm sure some of it would be SUPER cringe now😅 But the absurd lengths they'd got to just to NOT answer the question is what made me laugh the most. They guy stepping in front of the captions STILL cracks me up😂 I'm kinda glad this movie wouldn't fly today though.
As a cishet guy, I was aware at the time of the lgbt community in general and accepting of it, I knew about intersex from bio class, I didn't know about nonbinary though. So, this was really the only exposure to it I had, and halfway through even a skit, I no longer wondered about Pat's gender or sexuality, I just found them nauseatingly annoying, slightly racist and a rather terrible person. It was at that moment I wanted them to get hit by a bus for that reason lol! That was my takeaway, how they were was far more of an issue than who they were, a person's character being far more important than their identity and all that. Anyway, to all my lgbtqia+ folks, love y'all and fuck anyone who doesn't! ❤
Honestly at this point I’m surprised they haven’t stuck this movie on Disney+ as an addition to the Pride month collection along with Owl House and two episodes of Black-ish or whatever
One funny thing about Pat in my family is that my mom had remembered Pat but not in a negative light. She thought Pat was annoying but was always super pro androgyny and gender non conformity. Just a funny thing to remember about her. To no one's surprise she was super accepting about me being trans and was my biggest supporter! I just like to share memories about her in the comments of videos so that others can know about the kind of woman she was.
Work in Progress does a really good job of addressing this *with* Julia Sweeney in a way that allows her to meaningfully apologize for the harm she caused the queer community with the queer community driving the conversation, in a way that validates queer people. Also it’s just a great show in general that deserved a much wider audience than it got. Recommend!
As a cis man named Pat who has been ma’amed multiple times, I do not claim this movie. It is not representative of me or… any human being really. I would, however, also date Chris.
i found the steering wheel joke really funny, actually. i suspect it had to do with the "man" typically driving, but since they were both androgynous, they both drove. That and the original sex symbol being a question mark did make me chuckle. Also, the guy obsessed with Pat seemed like a good element. I'd like to see actual nb people make something good of those ideas
@@EvasiveOneI like to fill the tub and then put on the shower. Next, I start screaming arm the torpedoes while flailing around. You gotta learn to stop and enjoy the little things. I learned that from Oprah. This video hurt my brain a bit, I think.
Kids in the Hall did the best drag, because the joke wasn't just "Look how dumb women are!" I had such a crush on Dave Foley and he was so gorgeous in drag.
I just want to say how grateful I am for you're content because... It's nice to see and feel the point of view of us (queer people), like I didn't know that shit existed and it really put things in perspective... that's crazy... i feel disgusted, like I understand that it's a comedy, but I don't get the joke, and if there was one.. it's just sad.. and that's where "our" society is from that was normal... i don't know. P.s.: I just saw the scene where they reveal the genitalias like... I felt that... like oufff .
Just saw this in my recommendations and got me curious on what this was since I am a fellow nonbinary myself and wrow... that sure was a movie! I used to watch some of the older snl stuff, but this came out before I was even born so that's probably why I've never heard of or seen this, lol. I really like how you got nonbinary folks to react to this; it just makes me feel happy to see more nb and really any gender non conforming folks out here existing 💜! Also definitely going to check out your other videos now!
If anyone is wondering "Why WEEN?" They probably thought it sounded fun to do, but the fact that they made it do a Disney film is surprising as they are even more weirdo's than the people here. The songs are Pork Roll Egg and Cheese, and Don't Get 2 Close (2 My Fantasy) by the way.
As a nonbinary person, the clips that you showed made me giggle* and there was a part of me that felt like this isn't so bad because they're not so much saying that Pat is weird for being non-binary. It was more like they were saying that everyone else was weird for desperately trying to figure out what was under their clothes, including having the neighbor go psychotic on them. And then you showed the end scene where their clothes get ripped off on stage in front of everyone and everyone cheers. And I just wanted to cry. Because it was like we just sexually assaulted this person but now all of the cis people have their answer and they can understand how to think about Pat now and that makes them more comfortable and so that makes it okay. No! It's not ok. 😭 *I want to point out that not all the scenes made me giggle. I thought the racist stuff was particularly disgusting. I was giggling at the scenes where I could actually relate to the character because of how people were treating them. It was more like this movie was giving me permission to laugh at the cringiness of my own life because the life of a nonbinary person is pretty cringe a lot of the time because other people are so disgusting about us and our bodies and I didn't hate seeing that on the screen.
no but deadass the clips shown in the video had me chuckling, it could be that im entirely too unserious of a person or there is genuine potential in some of the jokes presented, but i kept thinking "wait with some tweaks that joke would go so hard". i also cant help but appreciate that we know as much about pat's identity at the end of the movie as we did at the beginning, because at the end of the day what matters the most isnt what's in pat's pants, it's why are they so insufferable jesus Christ but to be fair if i had to sit through 78 straight minutes of this i would be calling every medical professional in the country begging them to give me a lobotomy
Liked and subscribed! Thanks for making this series! I was a tween when Pat was popular and I've been watching SNL my whole life. As horrible as it was for you all to experience this I'm very grateful to not feel alone in my reactions lol. If y'all haven't watched it yet, Ace Ventura, it came out around the same time. Jr High was hard in the mid 90s lol
As a GenX queer, I was glad to have lost the memory of Pat until 2019, I really liked work in progress, they did deal with the Character further in a NY way. As for trans/NB folx being a bit woo woo, I worked at a metaphysical bookshop in LA in the 90s LOL there was a lot of making fun of all woowoo people. Which was interesting to me when I would have celebrities call for books or Psychic readings. Roseanne's daughter was a co-worker at one point.
hey i actually watched this movie for the first time earlier this year, and because i grew up reading the most bottom-barrel transphobic gender swap manga growing up just so i could get a sweet sweet taste of "fictional stories about gender stuff that i can project to as a nb person" i thought i could handle it. i couldn't. I'm so sorry you and your friends watched it's pat.
I watched it about 12 years ago and I wish I could forget it, but no a friend shared this video with me... about the only thing in it I appreciated was Kyle's fall much deserved.
10:26 "Why are they all still watching? At this point they should leave." I kind of wonder if the person asking that was thinking about themself, stuck watching It's Pat.
I'm 40 and yeah Chris is absolutely being mocked as another type of androgyny, the very 90s hippy-ish "broken down gender till you can't tell what's what" type, a bit like that one Brendan Frasier movie with a bit where he plays an openly emotional 90s man who breaks down crying all the time. woowoo equates to womanly in a bad way at the time, basically. And yeah this always made me massively uncomfortable as a child and tbf some of that is clearly just like... look at Pat and Chris kiss. It's both "romantic" in a way that uses body language to code it as gross and awkward. That sense of grossness really is the whole tone of it and I think that's part of why the whole thing made no sense to me as a kid. Nm my own gender issues which I really really wasn't aware of until recently.
@@GALL0WSHUM0R oh absolutely. A lot of rep is bad rep but still weirdly helpful. Chris actually seems like a decent person and character if the movie itself weren't set on mockery.
So fun fact: I remember watching the Pat sketches and movie as a CHILD when it first came out. I'm transmasc/genderqueer and float a bit under the non-binary label, but when I was a child I remember thinking "man. Chris is so much better than Pat, and deserves better." I also remember thinking that the "joke" with the Pat sketches was meant to be the people trying to "guess" which sex Pat was, or just Pat themselves being super annoying as a person. I never realized until I was older that the joke was meant to be at Pat's expense for being "grossly androgynous". I just thought the people trying to figure it out were...really fucking weird people, because I'd never seen in real life anyone be that dogged about trying to figure out someone's gender. When I was a kid, no one could tell what my gender was, and so people would just...pick one and assume, and then I'd either correct them (or because I wanted to be seen as a boy even then, I Didn't correct them). So to see grown adults like...invading someone's personal space and trying so hard to figure it out, and then often always being thwarted by SOMETHING blocking out the "truth" about Pat, was really funny to me. Then when I got older and learned that it was just...a really transphobic and often homophobic sketch meant to other Pat for traits that they should NOT have been mocked for, I hated the character. I felt really betrayed by it, because I vividly remember adults sometimes referencing Pat as an insult to someone they found androgynous and unattractive. I also remember in this movie I just hated Pat because they were an asshole, and was so mad that Chris got back together with them. I also remember hating the chaser neighbor Kyle too because, well, he's a fucking creep.
As an older person just coming to terms with being nonbinary, this SNL skit turned movie spoke to me on so many levels. I will never stop loving this movie for the ideas this character awoke in me.
As a child, this movie fascinated me not because of the subject matter, which I also never found funny, but because of the weird, bizarro 90s visual gags. The two steering wheels are embedded into my brain. I would later find out that this was directed by Adam Bernstein who was a big music video director in the 90s, but most prominently known for launching the MTV careers of They Might Be Giants with some of their most iconic videos. He also directed a bunch of stuff for Nickelodeon, including several episodes of Pete & Pete. Suddenly, this movies distinct nonsense visuals make so much more sense. I honestly wonder if TMBG was approached to be in this before Ween. Sidenote: I think you could do a fun version of It's Pat...but if Pat themselves weren't so utterly obnoxious. Like, the joke should be on the cis people trying to figure Pat out and going crazy in the process, while Pat remains the most normal person in the room, just doing whatever. Make it a commentary on how cis people legitimately can't understand the concepts of androgyny, while Pat just exists. And to the movie's credit, Kyle (played by the late, great Charle Rocket) DOES kind of do that, but Pat doesn't work as a foil because they're just awful. There's no real satisfaction to the gotcha moment at the end because we're not rooting for Pat at all. I think it was just a trend in the 90s to have overly obnoxious and loud characters for the sake of being just those things, but it deflates a lot of progressive comedic potential.
Pat was hilarious. Got over yourselves.
“got over yourselves”??
Yes! PLEASE DO!!!
Even if it wasn’t offensive, it still would not be funny. The film has no decent jokes, and I am non-binary. There are plenty of jokes that can be made at my expense that I might actually laugh at.
Wrong @mimehollow
Pin of shame
I find it interesting that the mystery of Pat's identity could not be solved when the movie came out, but now that we live in more enlightened times it's evident to whoever watches the film that Pat's gender is Annoying
...and that's all the data we need at the end of the day.
Pat is not a man or a woman, they are a nnoying
@@dyld921Annyong?
@@NA-AN Annoying
@@NA-AN annyong-haseyo (안녕하세요)
Don’t know why “they were speechless the entire movie” made me laugh so hard. Just came for the free food I guess
Hey! Look at you having a supreme sense of humor. ♥️🥰🤣
Their Millennials.... what else would you expect! 😂
The actual reason the MPA gave for it's PG-13 rating is, *and I quote* "Bizarre gender-related humor!"
That’s my new band name. 😂
@@AbahJake I think that's a better band name than "Ween", btw.
@@paulhammond6978 I like both!!! But that makes me wonder do I still have time to make it my drag queen name as well as my band name Or has someone taken it already? I need something for pride and I’m rainbow panicking.
@@paulhammond6978 Ween is awesome. Listen to "pure guava"
@@paulhammond6978nope, have you seriously not heard Ween before this? God Ween Satan and the pod and pure guava are great albums.
ok but when they ask pat if they're a man or a woman AND PAT JUST RUNS, its very relatable imo
KFNHAHAHA REAL!! me too
Fr 😭😭
that so real
As a non-binary person named Pat, we don't claim them
Pat isn't non-binary fk nut. Pat is androgynous. Like David Bowie, desire from sandman or Franken furter. 🙄
No one cares.
@@Franklyfun935 at least 433 people care and you cared enough to decide leaving an at best idiotic comment under a video that is about this exact topic that has been watched over 300.000 times and liked by 19.000 plus people...I'd be willing to bet people do care and you are just a hateful asshole.
@@Franklyfun935 huh 😭
@@Franklyfun935 girl seems like you care a lot
I love how intimidated Pat was by being asked what their sex is, but not scared to walk up to random black men and accuse them of being thieves and gangsters.
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The times I guess
Therein lays the irony!
Fr, the audacity
Yeah except one is a racial stereotype that isn’t true and the other is an permanently intrinsic reality of your existence
A reminder from an older Non-binary person. In the 80's and 90's society had a very polar view of androgyny and gender uncertainty. If you were beautiful, in a band or some kind of pop icon, then androgyny was celebrated and people loved it. If you were just ordinary, awkward, a body type that the public didn't decide was hot, then people were cruel and horrible stereotypes defined it. Pat was just another example of how people created horrid characters to depict people who were different. The same period was pretty horrible with one dimensional gay and lesbian characters.
Of course people looking at Pat today would see it as a pretty horrible interpretation of androgyny and a very biased one intended to make mainstream people at that time laugh. The same way racist cartoons did in the 1940s.
I was fairly androgynous in the 80-90s, but I was very alternative, so it only led to problems with toxic male strangers when out in the city. But I had a friend who was overweight, shy and pretty terrible at social interactions. She looked gender ambiguous and people gave her hell for it all the time, so much so that she lashed out at people often and made things worst. She didn't survive the 1990s after turning to self destructive behavior and self hate. Pat reminds me of that time, before we had terms and any kind of support in a society that was pretty terrible and cruel.
I love Gen Z and millennials for finally giving a name to what I have been all my life.
The '90s we're a great time you weridos.
@@ramirobenavidez1975 didn't say they weren't, skippy.
@@ramirobenavidez1975 thanks skippy!
@@ramirobenavidez1975 🤣 lmao.
Can't wait for, 'I Made Gay People Watch "I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry"'
yes!!!
Im more of a fan of Ben And Arthur but this would be more in line with this videos
Perfect idea for the next entry in this series
That movie was so effing hard to watch as a young girl because of the way they objectified Jessica Biel.. It was sickening.
@@mundaneamazingSteer clear of MOST Happy Madison, then.
they unintentionally slayed with the concept of everyone being obsessed with 'figuring out pat's sex' only for it to be always avoided in cartoonishly convoluted ways
Growing up (in the 90's and 00's), I vividly remember my dad often shrugging and saying "It's Pat!" whenever confused conversation happened related to androgyny. I had literally never heard of this character or film until just now. Apparently my dad was at least aware of it enough to reference them pretty frequently. The weirdest part about this is, I'm pretty confident my dad never actually watched this film, and whenever he shrugged and said "It's Pat!" about someone or something it wasn't as a mockery. It was more of a "I guess I just won't ever/dont need to know their assigned gender!" which, in a completely ironic way, was really a form of 90's/00's LGBT+ acceptance.
I started to say "It's Pat," and so did the rest of my nuclear family, but we all meant it as "don't ask further about their gender, we don't need to know" in our own family short-form. We all know the correct language now, of course, but I'm honestly stunned to learn that a genderless nickname my family once used has its origins in such a hateful character/film! I feel terrible now!
Pat defender here: your family was picking up on something that wasn't commonly in the discourse at the time and was open to it. I like to think this shorthand actually led to acceptance rather than ridicule ... mileage may vary
That's a really sweet story! Honestly I feel like if Pat had been written and played somewhat differently, it could have shifted into a positive portrayal where the point is that you never get to know Pat's sex and that's ok, and the butt of the joke is people being weird and nosy trying to figure it out, and revealing their reliance on stereotypes and sexism. I honestly feel like someone (very brave) could reboot Pat for the modern day, but with that shift in concept.
It's PAT! was shorthand for mind your own fucking business. Queer shit in the 90's/00's (ESPECIALLY in middle america) was necessarily "the best defense is a good offense". Leave me the fuck alone was the prompt for a lot of high school GSA's in the heartland.
I also never saw the movie, but this was at a time near peak SNL. Everybody watched SNL.
To be fair, it started in the sketches, which are just way more of a kind-of ignorant "We don't know people like this so it's just the bit" type of thing. Like, it's not coming from a place of malice, it's just the only way people have to understand what this is.
It's basically the nonbinary equivalent of someone walking up to a black guy and quoting Snoop Dog. Not great, but at least I get the impression they're kind-of trying? It's just VERY much driven by ignorance where all they have to go off of is super limited glimpses into the thing from pop culture.
Representation! It matters.
I have this weird appreciation for Pat because, as a nonbinary kid in the south who didn't have the language to express myself, Pat was the closest thing to comprehending my gender at the time. Like... I had no concept of what was good or bad queer representation (I was literally in elementary school when I saw this movie) So I was just like "Ohhh people can look like both? People can look at me and be confused? People don't have to know what gender I am the second they see me? I want that! I want that soooo bad!" People at school, and in my family, started calling me Pat when I began to dressing in a way that reflected my gender, which was pretty close to how Pat dressed tbh. And yeah, that sucked, but I still felt seen by Pat. Because Pat "got it". Pat dressed in a way that made them comfy, and I wanted that comfort too. Obviously I don't feel that for Pat anymore and recognize how harmful the character was, but 1998 me loved that problematic mess of a character.
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I very much agree with this sentimement.
Totally get latching on to whatever representation you can find.
*PAT* was not a bad queer representation because Pat was not trying to represent anything. You are so self centered that you are projecting that onto a character you know nothing about. Stop being played like a puppet following these elite agendas to get you triggered. Seek Truth, not excessive self centeredness.
@@christoffesedao3579 if thats how you feel you seem to be watching the wrong youtube show my fellow child of god.
It's really weird to revisit these sketches in 2023 after not seeing them since I was a literal child. Learning that the character only came to fruition after Julia Sweeney basically just sucked at being a drag king is kind of hilarious though
Gotta say, it ain't that hard. 😂
@@janerecluse4344it’s not hard? It was about how others reacted. So unless you can successfully convince people you are the opposite sex, you wouldn’t be believable either. And, hate to break it to you, everyone knows what sex other people are.
@@bobbythompson4268 LOL that's funny, when people are stopping cis women from going into restrooms because they have short hair or dungarees and MIGHT BE TRANS!!! or calling cis men girls because they have long hair but no, you're right, people just automatically know what sex someone is by the merest glance...
@@bobbythompson4268 Uh...no.
@@ZiddersRooFurry not difficult at all for me to see who’s really what they are and who’s playing dress up. Nothing wrong with it, I can just always tell.
Driving a car with two steering wheels is exactly what it’s like to be non binary.
I just assumed that Pat stole a car from a driving instructor business.
Yep - you just keep proving what a load of rubbish the whole concept is - you know what would happen if you you tried driving a car with 2 steering wheels? You crash 😂
@ilibana sure, but where's the excitement and adventure in not at least trying? Lmao
Thats why I rock two Gas pedals w/ no brakes
@@williamdixon-gk2sk Slay
okay so i’m back to rewatch this cause i just remembered that after watching this movie as a kid i made up a sort of ‘game’ with my friends. the premise of this ‘game’ was basically me roleplaying as pat 😭 while my friends would throw out reaons for me being a boy or a girl. anyway i’m transgender now
omg it’s a shame that ween is in this movie 😭😭 i love ween
I was 14 years old when Julia Sweeney introduced the world to Pat. I cannot tell you how miserable this sketch made my adolescence.
I’ve gotten so many comments like this I knew the existence of Pat had a bad effect on some people but I didn’t know just how widespread it was until now
I was 11 and same
That's absurd. Did David Bowie and Tim Curry in rocky horror make you mad too?
@@WillianyAmillthe difference is that people LIKE David Bowie and Tim curry. The point of Pat is that they’re annoying made to be mocked.
@@CreoTanYeah! People respect David Bowie's artistry to this day and Tim Curry served absolute cunt in that movie. Pat Riley just sucks and is annoying
9:05
As an also nonbinary named Chris, I have to agree, I *do* deserve better than Pat. I'm not going to stop watching this video, but I still deserve better than Pat.
Everyone who isn't Pat deserves someone better than Pat.
As someone named Pat you 100% do and apologize for their existence 😭
Why?
There weren’t any “non binary” people in the movie.
No such thing as 'non binary.' You're either male or female.
Disney literally had the opportunity to use Pat as part of it's (hypocritical) pride celebrations every June
Just like how they had the opportunity to use Peter Allen for their pride celebrations every year. Here's why I say this:
The musical about his life is called The Boy From Oz and Disney owns the rights to The Wizard of Oz. Disney can afford the rights to use Peter Allen's songs and likeness for a pride parade. It would be incredible to see them make Wizard of Oz parade float based on the Wizard of Oz references in the Only An Older Woman song from The Boy From Oz. Also, the original version of the When I Get My Name In Lights song from Peter Allen's Legs Diamond musical would be perfect as the opening song that would begin this hypothetical parade.
Could u imagine this movie coming out (pun intended) every June with rainbow box art?
@@Jakeinlivincolor I will advocate for that to happen
What does Pat have to do with Pride though?
@@3DJapan what does a Non Binary character have to do with pride? You tell me....
I guess Pat's sex was the friends we made along the way all along. Imagine living in a world with people obsessed and losing sleep over what other people have between their legs, so glad that only happens in fiction ;(
Obsessing over sexuality? You mean like this video and everyone in the comments including yourself.
@@christoffesedao3579 I would recommend doing basic research on what "sexuality" is before replying to comment obviously referring to biological sex, your age is showing.
[That age being really young or old is up for debate]
It's not that someone is "obsessed" as if the confused person has some sort of neurosis. In fact, the most significant difference between any two people is defined by their sex, and the human brain is wired so that's the first thing you notice about someone, before their size or race or anything else. Male and female is in our DNA, and the complementary attributes of our sex form the foundations of human society. So, like it or not, people are naturally and innately disturbed when someone is around and it's not clear what they are. It's not even a conscious choice. You can decide it doesn't matter, sure, but it's still there. This character, movie, etc., just made fun of all that.
I see what you did there. Clever.
@@moemoetheclown7996 Replace “sexuality” with any other term related to sex, biological sex, gender identity, race, political stance, etc. These are all materialistic temporary things. You avoid the bigger issue by trying to personally attack me and discredit me. That does not work. My credibility and age do not change truth. These false identities are being obsessed over and idolized. We are so much more than our sexuality, gender identity, nationality, or political party. These things are being used to blind us of spiritual eternity. You need to step out of these deceptions and seek the Truth. Your woke deception is showing.
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.”
John 14:6
Yeshua / Jesus from the Gospel of John
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
1 John 1:9
I'm AMAB somewhere in the neighborhood of transfeminine non binary. Legally transitioned to female. Anyhoo. I give Julia Sweeney a pass. She is trying to make amends and 29 yrs ago we were not on most people's radar. She seems to be a person of goodwill. I'm old lol. I was 33 when this came out. I remember watching it on SNL and found it hurtful but I also thought the people involved in writing and acting didn't know any better. I stayed in the closet until 2016. I really think it is an indictment of our society and explains why so many people are traumatized with internalized transphobia. We didn't want anyone to know our deep dark secret because we had been brainwashed along with everyone else to think it was shameful and funny. I wish I was 20 something and coming of age now. But on the other hand I am glad I wasn't born 100 yrs ago and would have taken this secret to my grave. I am a very public gender non conforming person with lots of cishet friends. I am glad I am helping move the needle in society toward justice and acceptance. There is still a long way to go especially lately. Thank you for posting this.
I’m just a straight guy who was a teenager in the 90s. My upbringing in evangelicalism taught me that gay people were sinful, and that we were in a culture war against them. My mom and dad boycotted Disney and other companies (for a while) when they came out in support.
As an adult I look back and see the many errors of what I was taught. I learned to accept and see that gay people are actually a totally normal thing, in part due to recent interactions, and in part due to stories that I reflected on from my childhood. I have also learned to understand trans people better, but I will admit I still struggle to understand. It will come with time, I am sure, just like it did with gay people. But here is one thing that I have found helpful: I started to re-watch some of my faves, such as ace ventura, life of Brian, etc. There are some direct and/or indirect jests at trans people in those movies. I still appreciate the movies for what they are, but now I also make an acknowledgment of the shortcomings toward these people that unfortunately weren’t really true humor with them, rather, humor at their expense. How did this help me? Because it was a history lesson: It showed me that these people have always existed… i mean when was life of Brian made, in the ‘70s? I never even noticed these parts of these movies in the past, but now they stick out to me like a sore thumb. And the fact that these different types of people have always existed tells me that it’s a real legitimate thing to be like that. The mistakes of movie past help me remember this is legit thing (if it didn’t exist they wouldn’t have been making fun of it). I truly hope we can have some good comedy in The future that makes fun of all of us (laughing with, not against), because that’s what would truly be funny with no cringe moments for decades to come. My apologies if my reply is not very well worded, but basically a little bit of film history showed me just how real people are that are different from me. Yes, the jabs in these movies are unfortunate and were hurtful at the time as well as now, but at least it can point out that these people are real, and we should change our perspectives now because of that. I have both gay and trans people in my life and love them so much. I may not always understand, but sometimes I remind myself that I don’t have to fully understand everything to still love and accept.
You're right: the people who wrote this on SNL in the 1990s really didn't know any better.
"It's time for androgyny" is gonna be my high school yearbook quote
Junior (with Arnold Schwarzenegger) was really interesting, simultaneously less feminist and more feminist than you think it will be, simultaneously less transphobic and more transphobic than you think it will be.
Oh, I would watch a video of trans people reacting to Junior in a heartbeat!
Is that the mpreg movie w Danny devito?
@@neverendinglute3125 yep :3
@@neverendinglute3125mpreg AND danny devito? how have I never heard of this movie until now?
@pastelk Yeah Danny DeVito is in there, who do you think got Arnold pregnant?
In a thrilling upcoming sequel, Pat joins the military and becomes a helicopter pilot! Because the writers only thought of one new joke in 30 years
I physically crumpled when Pat's pants got torn off. The humiliation and trauma inflicted on a character for the sake of a bad joke. I need to wash that scene out of my eyes
Its amazing that it was a different era and we weren't trained to virtue signal. We knew it was a fake show with wicked mean humour such as many of the other characters. We knew not to treat people like that in real life.
I physically crumpled reading how triggered you are by a fictitious character that everyone laughed about in the 90s, including us gay and trans people. Get over yourself. You are being deceived by an elite agenda to get you in your feelings instead of seeking truth. You are being played and trapped into excessive self centeredness. It’s a disease to keep the masses blind and dumb.
@@VelveteenRabbit77virtue signaling is when sympathy.
@@VelveteenRabbit77 "I cackle with laughter as I watch a marginalised character get bullied and humiliated for being different. The joke is that they got their clothes torn off and all the normal people were disgusted by their weird naked body. It's funny because the people in the audience are normal, and Pat is abnormal. I think it's funny when people who are outside the norm get mocked and humiliated. That makes me laugh. I'm not a bad person because.... ummm... dark humour? It's just fictional anyway. If real people got bullied as a result of this movie I don't care. If real people saw a reflection of the way they were bullied in real life, and then turned to see the whole audience laughing along with the bullies, laughing at someone like them being shamed... well I don't care! I'm one of the people laughing! Bullying marginalised people and making them feel even more alienated and ashamed is hilarious, and if you say it isn't you're just virtue signalling!!!"
@@VelveteenRabbit77wait until you find out about how people treat nonbinary people in real life. You’re gonna lose your shit.
"Hey, you know how the big problem with SNL movies is that they're based on a character who has 1 joke that's funny in a 1 minute sketch but not in a full movie?"
"Yeah."
"Well how about we make a movie based on a character who has 1 joke that's not funny ever, even in a 1 minute sketch?
"...I'm in."
Ive always been fascinated with this charicter. I was a pretty adrodgyns kid and I liked seeing someone else deal with the same shit I was. I also liked how Pat never actually revealed their gender and people just had to deal with it. I tried to be like that. It gave me comfort. I know i cant spell..
Same. The part that stuck with me most was how badly other people *needed* Pat's gender to be clearly defined as a woman or a man and the absurd lengths they would go to try to force an answer. To me, that was the joke. I clearly forgot the more problematic aspects of the character, but as a kid I saw Pat's neurotic personality as a reaction to how inappropriate and persistent other people always were about their androgyny.
Pat does NOT deserve to so effortlessly cause the level of confusion I wish I could
Pat knows the secrets to becoming completely stealth as a non-binary person
And this, right here, is why most people claim to be non-binary. Desperate need to be paid attention to. Desperate need to be special. Desperate need to be able to attack anyone who doesn't go along with their imaginary status.
@@EvasiveOne how about the movie "The Crying Game"...?
So you're just looking for attention?
@@SuperAndybarrett how did you even came to that conclusion? Genuinely wondering how your brain works
Pat could have been an Icon if she would have just played the character as heartwarming and charming- making everyone wanna know what's in their pants because they want to sleep with them, ending the sketches with them doing it without ever finding out. also, you aren't being supportive enough!!
Notice how everyone liked Chris? The Kids in the Hall were always so successful in drag because they did it with such sincerity, as actors doing a role rather than making a joke. Chris is what could have been.
Basically the bunch who insist they're "non binary" are just people who are desperate for attention, and manage to be horribly ugly in the process. I don't see that in this group, but the ones screaming about it all the time are hideous. Nobody wants to be forced to have sex with someone that has the wrong genitalia. Being supportive would be telling you people that you aren't a special creation, and you need to stop pretending that imaginary sexual status means you're trans. Trans people don't want to be part of your fad and they don't want you pretending to be one of them. Pay attention to Actual Trans People and stop with this nonsense.
The proof that you're full of it are all the ones that think they can change their "pronouns" at a whim. Get over yourselves. "Non binary" is not the same as trans. Trans people have a very specific mental condition that made them that way. They didn't decide they were trans because it was a great way to get everyone paying attention to them. You people are as delusional as trump supporters. The same sort of illogical thinking aimed in a totally different direction.
They kinda did this on SNL a few seasons after It's Pat's heyday with a character called Mango, really flamboyant androgynous dancer played by Chris Kattan. Not sure how well those aged by comparison tbh but the joke was basically a subversion of Pat
@shikonaori
I felt Mango succeeded in the humor department. Pat was always annoying. Gender aside, I just found Pat an annoying nerd trope à la Urkel.
That wouldn't have worked in the 90's. The comedy back then was different and a sign of the times. I thought the movie was so funny when I saw it as a teenager back then.
the giant hook -> nudity -> applause sequence rendered me speechless
The lengths cis ppl fantasize about going in order to see trans genitals is batshit insane. And they are allowed to do it! At airports at least
Ok honestly the "Thats a federal offense, Pat." "...being gay?" caught me so off gaurd i actually laughed out loud. That was funny
Also, Spokane is pronounced Spo-can. I dont know why its spelled the way it is, everyone who isnt from here pronounes it Spo-cane because thats what makes sense from the way its spelled, but it is :L
Also also, you're hilarious & i will now have to check out the rest of your video catalog
I grew up with Pat and as a kid I never understood why knowing their gender was so important. I still don’t understand why knowing gender is important. I just thought Pat existing was cool.
The other characters' obsession with Pat's gender just makes them seem so nosy, or at least it would in a better version of this movie.
This is pretty much the non binary experience, we are us, something in between, both, nothing or beyond and we know who we are and just want to exist. The world distinctly wishes to label us, we make minds cramp because we are not easily categorized or “figured out”
I’d presume that people want to know so they know how to flirt, flirting depends on the person and which sex they are.
The creepy neighbor even admitted he wanted to persue a sexual relationship but needed to know if they were physically compatible. Whatever that ended up being, if pat was argue opposite then it probably wouldn’t work out
Today's younger generation basically do not care.
It is the older people, who grew up before "non binary" terms existed ... they cant handle it because they lived before these terms/titles existed, so that they cant understand ... people are always afraid of things that they cant understand to the point that it angers them and they need to clarify it.
love you too
Hoping to see a beautiful alliance of solidarity and support between non binary people and the seemingly real cis guy that pat is apparently an unbelievably cruel caricature of
He's an honorary enby, whoever he is
Irony of it all is that I know a very much cis-het guy who is exactly like every single awful aspect of Pat....whiny, unemployable, annoying af, and I swear to gods this guy has the same awful .... laugh? Luckily the guy I know (who is also a colossal homophobe and transphobe) lives far enough away and out of my social circles to keep him from becoming my first homicide victim.
she
@@hollyshaw-elliemaewhat??? What is this in response to
@@maddieb.4282 the person who played the character pat is a she
Honestly i was waiting for someone to cover this movie. As a non-binary person i appreciate your sacrifice of watching this movie(?)
Edit: Alright, i did some thinking and i ain't non-binary, the point still stands tho
The media is right NB people are annoying af
Calling this a “movie” is very generous.
@@richardcleveland6091that's why i put the question mark
@@richardcleveland6091 eh i've seen worse
it's like saying I made a giggalo watch bruce giggaLo the male giggAlo LOL I can't spell correct that right u get what I mean I hope
I had literally no idea this existed and it’s like discovering a whole new genre of offensive jokes. This feels like it’s from a different universe that’s just as transphobic, but where everyone knows nonbinary people exist. But like, they’re Not happy about it.
It isn't transphobic to be against an imaginary status. Trans people don't want to be part of your fantasy world. Trans people actually exist, and the bandwagon jumpers are not part of their group, as desperate as they are to be special, and treated that way.
@@anastasiae.5338 Sounds very much like the most basic of transphobia to me, but alright 👍🏻
@@anastasiae.5338 What are you talking about?
@@anastasiae.5338 As a trans woman, don't assume you speak for us, because you don't. Non-Binary people absolutely exist, and their gender identities are just as valid as anyone else's. Just because someone doesn't identify with she/her pronouns or he/him pronouns, doesn't mean that their gender isn't valid. Don't be a "pick-me" trans person, or a transmedicalist (both of those are really just horrible cases of internalized transphobia and a lack of self esteem anyway), and most certainly don't take the hatred given to us and turn it back on Non-Binary people, they don't deserve it just like we don't deserve it.
@@anastasiae.5338 real ballsy move to claim nonbinary people arent real when theyve not only been around longer than you but basically since the begining of time
"You're not being supportive enough!" I'm AMAB and relate more to Chris's presentation, but I have Pat's eyebrows. I used to have Pat's taste in shirts too, but I'm past that part of my life now.
Best shot was you screaming into your pillow😂. I watched this back in the 90's, I'm 70. And never found it remotely funny. But when non binary was explained i knew that was me. At different times in my life ive been called sir and madam 😂. But im just Willo🎉. Thanks for a great video😊
Thanks for stopping by Willo! 🫡💕
I also use the name Willow :)
me, as an asexual, have always wanted to watch The 40 year Old Virgin just to suffer. i haven't done that yet, and honestly i don't really know if it would be that offensive to asexuals, but here's a suggestion! these videos are very entertaining lol
Oh god well, it can’t be worse than this!
I’m ace. I’ve seen it. It’s horrendous. Main character’s friends start off supportive, but then seem to be embarrassed their friend has never had sex. They force him to jerk off by shoving porn at him, they send a sex worker to his house without warning… It’d be one thing if main character approved of that but he didn’t. The rest of the movie doesn’t help either. Steve Carrell is essentially a level-headed Michael Scott and the movie begins with his neighbours mumbling to each other “He needs to get laid”.
@@d_alistair-years The only funny part I remember about that movie is Steve Carrell saying that he thinks breasts are like "bags full of sand". The rest was cringe
@@FeministCatwoman”I don’t want your big box of p*rn Andy” is a good line
The racism in it is abhorrent
@@d_alistair-years I remember one scene from the film, and that’s when he goes to get his body waxed. I hate that that is a memory still in my brain.
Kyle is the most true to life representation of the 2023 Trans obsessed conservative CIS Male.
Stop calling people cis when they don't want to be called that.
Plus we're not fucking obsessed with it we get it shoved down our fucking throats constantly. To the point of saying biological sex isn't real and that I have to use certain words or I go to jail. Yea that's more than people just being obsessed.
You see it from one side only and don't even try to see it differently.
Also when you start bringing kids into it of course people are going to talk about it. Having people chant "were coming for your kids" isn't a good look bo matter who it is. Plus having kids in pride parades with naked men in front of the kids bending over and letting them see all the kink shit and watch grown men ride bikes naked yea we have a fucking problem with it.
He's the "head vampire" of Kyles
I’d say he might be more like a cis man who’s bi/pan and projects the image that he’s progressive while sexualizing and objectifying trans people and/or everyone (I’ve met this type of guy)
@tiagobaenre5973 It's not normal to get offended by a simple word that delineates trans from not-trans.
@tiagobaenre5973 whatever you need to tell yourself cis honey
the neighbor was enamored with pat's t-boy swag
FACTS
'he does not care what's under there,he just wants to be a part of that world' 😊
Exactly!
I remember really enjoying It's Pat when I was a kid, because I didn't know what non-binary was yet, but I knew I wanted to be as confusingly androgynous as Pat.
Non-Binary is pseudo crap. Thanks for asking
I don't believe that it had formed officially. David Bowie - gender bender. Tim Curry - Sweet transvestite. Actually two original Sailor Moon characters were non binary, in the original Japanese.
They always had a culture of androgyny.
i feel like in better hands, Pat would’ve been an excellent critique on cis society’s obsession with gender roles. the joke of Kyle getting utterly obsessed with Pat’s assigned sex has genuine potential. but no. me when the movie isn’t being supportive enough.
I feel like rebooting already well-received, popular movies is so stupid and I TRULY WISH they would start re-making movies that had a decent concept and atrocious execution..
Isn't Kyle basically Nate Jacobs?
I was a teenager during the Pat sketches, and it may have been due to my youthful inexperience, but I always thought the purpose of them was to highlight the foolishness of people trying to assign Pat into a "category." Idk. I was young.
Even in their current terrible shape the skits sometimes feel like they're mocking people's "need" to know. If Sweeney had completely dropped their original idea and ran with the single joke, the skits would be a lot more ambiguous even without intending it.
SMH no need to use cis. It’s society in general. Not only straight people believe in gender roles. Wtf is y’all’s issue with not using the cis term you aren’t even using it correctly
I want an A24 spiritual sequel that's all about Chris learning to love themself enough to date someone who isn't a self-centered [insert genitalia-based insult here].
(also 12:40 yOU'rE nOt bEIng sUppOrtivE EnOUgh)
You want her to support delusional people? Is that what you're insisting? That she play along with the fantasy world you live in? Being supportive is not helping people delude themselves. It's giving them reality straight without coddling them.
@@anastasiae.5338 most well-adjusted transphobe spotted
@@anastasiae.5338Go outside.
I was in college in 1994. I am overweight and nonbinary (and my gender expression was more femme back then). I *continue* to be compared to Pat by contemporaries. Nowadays my gender expression is pretty androgynous ( I get read as both a boy and girl equally), and it's only gotten worse since then.
It’s a huge shame that Showtime removed Work in Progress from streaming already because the effect that Pat had like that is a major plot point and the show explicitly does not try to redeem Sweeney for it even though she’s in the show
I bet it doesn't keep you from spewing bile at anyone who doesn't play along with it, though, does it? Imagine all of these people so obsessed with being special that they have to announce "what" they are at the drop of a hat. I don't know if it's the desperation to be special or the desperation to be paid attention to. So you're either gay or you never got out of your tom boy phase. Or both. Or you're a guy. I don't even really care. Nobody else really does either. The only thing that's gotten worse is people thinking they get to assign themselves special genders because there's nothing else to them. There is absolutely no reason a grown adult should be buying into this nonsense.
I had a similar experience as you. It's transphobia and it made my disphoria even worse. College was not a good time.
@@anastasiae.5338 Why the fuck is a bigot like you even here.
@@eeeeks It wasn’t cancelled like that, non-binary people loved that show too I think everyone who saw it loved it. It was cancelled after 2 seasons by Showtime because it wasn’t pulling in enough views sadly.
I have no idea why it isn’t available to stream though, streaming services removing exclusive content is a huge issue now. Some of these things don’t get physical media released either so they basically get lost forever. At least Work in Progress is available to buy but I wish they would just put it back on Showtime
I’m happy that this movie is getting more attention because Ween is in it and they’re amazing. I grew up watching Pat skits on SNL with my aunt and her VERY CLOSE FRIEND Pat. Who was a lot more Long Island than the character. But, maybe just because of the times and the fact that I haven’t given a critical watch with my better eyes, but it always felt more like an inside joke that I was a part of, and we were freaking out the squares who couldn’t understand our absurdist mystery.
SAME!
(also I still deeply love Ween)
@@elkpapa apparently I don't love them enough to pay $500+ for a single ticket to their most recent show buuuuuut they still put the twirl on my world.
I learned about Ween from this movie.
The first time I watched this I had just an intense attraction for Chris and it made me realize some really important things about myself so for that reason I appreciate its existence
I hate that I know the explanation as to why Chris's car has two steering wheels. Chris is a driver's ed teacher.
I thought I remembered that!
I hate that I know that they used the same gag in the Coneheads movie.
I also think the reason they have them both driving too is because of an ancient story type of "women can't drive" or some bs too.
@@TheeCharlieCollective That was more what I was thinking the thought process was. "The man would obviously be the one who drives so... what if they're both driving?!" "Genius!" "Box Office Dynamite!"
I guess an eight-million-dollar budget isn't enough to get steering wheels that turn together like airplane control yokes.
Not gonna lie that gag of the person walking in front of the subtitles actually made me laugh
Yeah, that was a clever joke, so I'll give them that. This is the only complement this movie deserves.
@@MoonshineTheDragThing disagree
@@jadedheartsz can you explain why?
I thought Julia Sweeney was pretty good as Pat.
@@jadedheartsz what I was referring to wasn't about her performance. I was talking about the jokes, the script, and other things regarding the production.
Very happy to hear how apologetic Julia Sweeney is about this whole thing. She always seemed like a nice person... who made a VERY big mistake.
She was recently on Lovett or Leave It, and it was a great interview.
Back then, it was just so HORRIBLY awful that it became hysterical the first few skits that she did. Could never have worked as a full-length film. I think it's just that so many people have to admit they've seen people like this and were obsessed with "knowing one way or another". And then realizing it was "just a person" and it really was "none of our business".
Yeah, honestly, the point of the sketches was making fun of the people who became obsessed with “finding out” Pat’s secret.
"This is my favorite Sondheim song" has me on the floor 💀💀
As one of the 4 people alive who knows what It's Pat is, I am terrified and very very interested to watch this.
That was awful and made me feel bad, thank you Evasive.
Five people. I remember It’s Pat really well, and that fact makes me sad.
I watched "Work in Progress" because Lilly Wachowski and there's long arc in s1 about this show
I saw a few scenes on tv as a kid and oh god. hated.
I found out from Drew goodens snl review. Amd a video essay about snl movies.
And as a suggestion, I would show queer young adults (born after 1994) Torch Song Trilogy. It's a pretty honest look at gay life in the early 80s. It depicts a reality that doesn't exist in the same way in the 2010's and 2020's. It was written and starred a very young (and very thin) Harvey Firestein, as well as Matthew Broderick. I will admit, it's one of my favorite movies, but mostly for showing a time in queer history that could be easily forgotten. We lost an entire generation of storytellers and historians to the HIV/AIDS crisis. This movie helps fill some of the holes without being a dry documentary.
Thank you for this recommendation I will check it out ❤️
"It's a Sin" is a recent TV series by Russell T Davies that covers a similar period (80s gay life) but from a British perspective - and it is excellent.
It’s a great film, but grab a few boxes of Kleenex before watching it. Sh¡t gets dark.
Another great one is _Parting Glances_ (1986). It not only is Steve Buscemi's second feature film, but it has Kathy Kinney appearing in an actual role. The film was a low-budget but high-quality labor of love by writer and director Bill Sherwood, who made just this one film before his death from AIDS in 1990 at age 37.
See, the problem with your videos Eva, is that you explain the bad movies in a way that's too funny. After seeing this I unironically want to see the film lmao. 😂😂
Yes! And I already know that this movie is a bomb!
It's very bad don't watch it. Even aside from the obvious reasons it's problematic it's just very poorly written and they spend the entire running time beating the one very unfunny joke to death.
"Chris deserves better." ❤
Film recommendation: "Dressed To Kill". It's absolute garbage but it's a guilty pleasure. Brian DePalma directed and it stars Angie Dickinson and Michael Caine. Most of the movie feels inspired by Hitchcock except dirtier. The offensive part is at the end when the twist is revealed. It's bananas.
the funniest part of pat is the story of them, cause "i couldn't do drag well enough so i made them gender ambiguous" is funny
Maybe a hot take, but here goes. I feel like a decent amount of the jokes in the Pat-o-verse could work as a solid cultural critique, even today, in that they gravitate around cis people's inability to deal with non-binary people and with ambiguity in a general sense. Their inability to move on from the "mystery" and their repeating failure to discover the "truth" of Pat's sex could potentially play, given the right writing and circumstances. If Pat were confident and successful, the humor would land so differently. It could still feel gross in that they're crossing personal lines (like speculating about your coworker's favorite sexual positions), but that's within the realm of a skillful writer, and it's no longer at Pat's expense.
Instead, Pat is intentionally written as an offputting freakshow, and Pat's clueless or intentionally confusing behavior toward the question doesn't help either. This was not the right character to be many people's first exposure to the concept of non-binary people, and even now it'd still be pretty impossible to do right.
Exactly !! I think some people are missing the point by thinking that the jokes alone are what's offensive, but it's mostly the way they portrayed Pat that sucks. I totally agree that this concept could work if it was done with a little more tact and understanding
Agreed! The negative recent comments are unhinged. The joke is how everyone used gender-neutral terms so easily, but somehow still wanted to know whether Pat was born male or female. Truly a hilarious gem, and I love how accepting they are to Pat. But let's be honest - in that day and age, someone would have straight up asked or used a gendered term just to figure it out, with no hesitation, like that "hood" guy did.
I would like to see that version of It's Pat. Society's obsession with gender and what people "should" be based on predetermined rules is a joke.
Kids in the hall could have done it a bit better.
Agreed. I think if Pat was a loveable character, still a bit weird even but not in an off-putting way, it would be a lot different. The main message could that they get frustrated with their coworkers constantly trying to figure out what's in their pants so they go through jobs like crazy, because someone always end up going too far, or even that they get fired a lot because they get blamed for a bunch of mishaps. It could be a classic "it's what's on the inside that counts" (and more subtlety "don't be weird/nosy towards people's personal lives") message, rather than whatever it already is. But alas, this was the 90s.
OH MY GOD- you just unlocked so many memories
Non binary person here, when I first started talking to my dad about being more gender neutral he immediately went “OH! Like Pat!” And I was very confused, so he had me look up some clips and they were… interesting, I tried to remember it was years ago it was made but couldn’t help but take some offense. I mean at least he got the idea!
Make lesbians and bisexual women watch Chasing Amy
Good way to start a fistfight
that's a hate crime right there
….I like it :(
@@tatehildyard5332 (I like it too, but tbf, I'm one of the bisexuals who could, if pressed, punch a lesbian over their failure to acknowledge the textual evidence that Alyssa is actually bi but when faced with heteronormativity, threw in her lot with lesbians because she hoped they would understand her more.)
@@erraticonteuse I'm bi too and I can see why this movie can rub a lot of people the wrong way, but I think it's heart is consistently in the right place enough, it was cool seeing a bi person with as much personal and social agency as Alyssa, Banky's latent (bro)mo-erotic tension with both Holden and Hooper...spoke to me, and it rightfully makes Holden out to be an entitled, judgmental asshole.
I love that you did this so much. It's Pat did not need to exist as a piece of media. But since it did, it needs to be looked at contexrtually. This stuff was on when I was a young adult, my peers learned the wrong ways to treat people from it, and it made me uncomfortable but back then I didn't have the language of why. I am so happy to see how things have improved in my lifetime but we have so far to go. I am gonna subscribe as probably your most elderly viewer
Thank you so so much!
i watched this movie last year bc i was super into ween and now im so #patpilled i could fix this movie i know it in my heart
Shout out to my fellow enbies, wishing Chris a MUCH better partner than Pat
So a mean-spirited impersonation of her colleague snowballed into a mean-spirited caricature of all gender nonconforming people, and this was somehow easier than just taking acting classes? Actually most shocking is that people still treat this as some kind of subversive, ahead-of-its-time comic masterpiece when it runs on _one joke_
So a bunch of tik tokers have made a bunch of desperate people decide they're "gender non conforming"? What happened to just being bisexual or gay? Not enough to be special anymore? What's mean spirited is the people pushing your agenda and accusing anyone who doesn't feed into your fantasy world as some sort of "phobe". You people need to grow up and stop being so self-obsessed.
Even watching the old SNL skits as a kid, I was confused by how offputting and unlikeable Pat was. It's just such a strange choice, especially when the theme song talks about acceptance. Was that supposed to be ironic?
Or by making them a highschool boy instead of an adult
Wait...who is treating this like some kind of subebersive,ahead-of-its-time comic masterpiece? I thought everybody was like me and completely forgot about this movie almost immediately.
Ok, I want to make it clear I'm not disagreeing with you. This is of it's time, and I'm thankful it's now looked down on.... however, I was in high school during this period of SNL and me and my queer friends at the time (especially my butch girlfriend) loved SNL because there was almost no representation in media at all. And we were just trying to get through highschool while being bullied daily. So, when people talk about it being in some way groundbreaking, that's what they mean. When there's no representation, even a bad joke feels like it's better than nothing... or it did then. It was bringing up the issue of gender non-conformity before most people knew what it was.
"It's Pat" was on TV once in the mid-90s. It's one of the few times I can remember most of my family actually just randomly watching a movie together. We were transfixed ... that's the only word I can think to use there but it feels weird in the moment. Anyway, sometimes I feel sad that the nature of media is such that my son will never be randomly sucked into a movie he would normally never watch just because it happened to be on TV. Then I remember what happened to my family and "It's Pat."
I thank you and every Enby for their service in sacrificing their time and sanity on this.....”film”.
Honestly Chris is the true nonbinary dream for me, they have a confusing gender presentation that no one can figure out what they wete assigned at birth, yet is sweet and nice. They deserved the best yet they got pat
YES! More trans people reacting to bad representation please! You have no idea how much I'm loving this "series"
*PAT* was not a misrepresentation of trans people. Pat was not trans. You are projecting that onto Pat. You really need to stop being manipulated by the elite agendas to get you triggered. Seek Truth, not self centeredness.
I distinctly remember when Pat sketches started on SNL. I'm embarrassed to admit that I thought it was cool that there was a character who was neither a boy or a girl! I was a little kid and didn't realize that Pat *wasn't* neither a boy or girl but was actually a hateful joke.
Little you was more wholesome and based than the writers of SNL and most people in society at that time. Cheers to little you!
No it wasn't. There have always been people who are questionable. Just not so many of them insisting that they get to be some new, imaginary sexual status. People have grown more pathetic in their attempts to get everyone paying attention to them. If they had banned Tik Tok sooner, most of you would be focusing on something that actually mattered.
@@anastasiae.5338non binary existed before tik tok
OMG, me too. 😂
I'm non-binary and back in the day I remember seeing it's Pat on television and enjoying the film. The characters seemed a little weird but I'm a little weird too. At the time I wasn't as sensitive to a lot of the way that hateful people act and didn't realize how terrible a lot of these jokes were. Honestly I'm glad that I got to see non-binary and androgynous characters represented on television and I wish I could pull off androgyny but are glad that movies like this don't really get made anymore as well. We have a far richer vocabulary for discussing these issues these days and I am thankful for it. Being a little bit too old for SpongeBob oh, it's Pat is literally the only thing I know about ween
I remember my mom explaining pat to me as a kid and I said “I don’t get it?” And she was like “you can’t tell if pat is a boy or a girl, that’s why it’s funny” and even as a kid I was like “um, what?” The whole concept didn’t sit right with me and I didn’t know why. I’m a non-binary trans man so it came full circle.
How?
@@adamcunningham3763 how what?
@@salemsmith777 is it possible to be a man and non-binary?
@@adamcunningham3763 not everyone has a gender expression that sits completely within the two binaries (masc-fem) some people lean more masc or fem with agender or nonbinary or gender neutral being a secondary gender they experience. I myself am bigender/gender flux between demigirl and nutrois.
@@emicontained6870 this sounds made up and dumb
I had a cis friend who was obsessed with "It's Pat" and he would make our DnD group watch clips from it all the time. I was actually thinking about it again recently. Obviously the point here is the movie breaks down when you stop caring about Pat's gender and start caring about what a terrible person Pat is to just about everyone lol. Also surely Pat could be any gender, and also be intersex which is what I always assumed was the distasteful joke, but looking at it now, even that would be too complex and nuanced for an 80s - 90s SNL sketch.
Anyways, I'm glad I could revisit the horror of "It's Pat" in a safe and controlled environment lol
First two Cross dressers I met were, married, straight men. Glam rock and independent fim had gender bender behavior.
David Bowie in the labrinth. And he was a 'cis' man - but an icon to the queer community.
The word cis is being forced out. I'm practicing.
Very interesting take. Great vid. I found this movie to be hilarious, but mostly because pat is insufferable. I didn't know anything about non-binary or gender fluid folks during my first watch and I'm sure some of it would be SUPER cringe now😅 But the absurd lengths they'd got to just to NOT answer the question is what made me laugh the most. They guy stepping in front of the captions STILL cracks me up😂 I'm kinda glad this movie wouldn't fly today though.
As a cishet guy, I was aware at the time of the lgbt community in general and accepting of it, I knew about intersex from bio class, I didn't know about nonbinary though. So, this was really the only exposure to it I had, and halfway through even a skit, I no longer wondered about Pat's gender or sexuality, I just found them nauseatingly annoying, slightly racist and a rather terrible person. It was at that moment I wanted them to get hit by a bus for that reason lol! That was my takeaway, how they were was far more of an issue than who they were, a person's character being far more important than their identity and all that. Anyway, to all my lgbtqia+ folks, love y'all and fuck anyone who doesn't! ❤
Honestly at this point I’m surprised they haven’t stuck this movie on Disney+ as an addition to the Pride month collection along with Owl House and two episodes of Black-ish or whatever
I don't usually condone entrapment, but this here is for a good cause
This kind of cruel and inhumane treatment has to be against international law, they should sue for 20 years worth of free HRT as recompense lol
The pizza they got looked good at least
One funny thing about Pat in my family is that my mom had remembered Pat but not in a negative light. She thought Pat was annoying but was always super pro androgyny and gender non conformity. Just a funny thing to remember about her. To no one's surprise she was super accepting about me being trans and was my biggest supporter! I just like to share memories about her in the comments of videos so that others can know about the kind of woman she was.
Abby McEnany addressed the "Pat" issue brilliantly in her show, Work in Progress, with Julia Sweeney starring as herself.
Work in Progress does a really good job of addressing this *with* Julia Sweeney in a way that allows her to meaningfully apologize for the harm she caused the queer community with the queer community driving the conversation, in a way that validates queer people. Also it’s just a great show in general that deserved a much wider audience than it got. Recommend!
As a cis man named Pat who has been ma’amed multiple times, I do not claim this movie. It is not representative of me or… any human being really.
I would, however, also date Chris.
i found the steering wheel joke really funny, actually. i suspect it had to do with the "man" typically driving, but since they were both androgynous, they both drove. That and the original sex symbol being a question mark did make me chuckle. Also, the guy obsessed with Pat seemed like a good element. I'd like to see actual nb people make something good of those ideas
I hate to tell you this but the steering wheel joke is because chris is a driving instructor in the original snl sketches
Ooh so that’s what that was. Dang that’s pretty cool then if so
I just want to say that as a gnc person, I wanna be like Pat in that I want to become SO androgynous that no one can figure me out
It’s Pat was HILARIOUS!!! 😂😂😂 Thanks for the walk down memory lane. These were awesome clips! Shows you appreciate good humor. Keep it up !!! 👍
I got an ad for an Epoch Times-created docudrama about the dangers of childhood transition and being "brainwashed into transition" before this
TH-cam really let’s anyone advertise it’s crazy lol so many straight up scams.
Good. Ad well wasted.
Long shower followed by footage of a bathtub tap running. Was it a shower or a bath?! The world needs to know this much more than anything about Pat.
showers and baths are so binary why can’t I have both at the same time
@@EvasiveOneI like to fill the tub and then put on the shower. Next, I start screaming arm the torpedoes while flailing around. You gotta learn to stop and enjoy the little things. I learned that from Oprah.
This video hurt my brain a bit, I think.
I call it a bower. Basically, just run the shower while plugging the drain.
I like the casting of Dave Foley as Chris, his work in drag always made me feel some kind of way growing up lol
He is so pretty in drag!
Didn’t recognize him at all, thought it was Jack McBrayer
Omfg I had the biggest crush on Chris 🥴🙈
@@evanlinden4410OOOF
Kids in the Hall did the best drag, because the joke wasn't just "Look how dumb women are!" I had such a crush on Dave Foley and he was so gorgeous in drag.
I just want to say how grateful I am for you're content because... It's nice to see and feel the point of view of us (queer people), like I didn't know that shit existed and it really put things in perspective... that's crazy... i feel disgusted, like I understand that it's a comedy, but I don't get the joke, and if there was one.. it's just sad.. and that's where "our" society is from that was normal... i don't know.
P.s.: I just saw the scene where they reveal the genitalias like... I felt that... like oufff .
Just saw this in my recommendations and got me curious on what this was since I am a fellow nonbinary myself and wrow... that sure was a movie! I used to watch some of the older snl stuff, but this came out before I was even born so that's probably why I've never heard of or seen this, lol. I really like how you got nonbinary folks to react to this; it just makes me feel happy to see more nb and really any gender non conforming folks out here existing 💜!
Also definitely going to check out your other videos now!
If anyone is wondering "Why WEEN?" They probably thought it sounded fun to do, but the fact that they made it do a Disney film is surprising as they are even more weirdo's than the people here. The songs are Pork Roll Egg and Cheese, and Don't Get 2 Close (2 My Fantasy) by the way.
Also the director of this movie did the Push Th' Little Daisies video.
I played with the Ween 😂
I don't think I've ever been happy to see a sponsored segment in a video before. You deserve it.
Same!!!
Also same, hell yeah!
As a nonbinary person, the clips that you showed made me giggle* and there was a part of me that felt like this isn't so bad because they're not so much saying that Pat is weird for being non-binary. It was more like they were saying that everyone else was weird for desperately trying to figure out what was under their clothes, including having the neighbor go psychotic on them. And then you showed the end scene where their clothes get ripped off on stage in front of everyone and everyone cheers. And I just wanted to cry. Because it was like we just sexually assaulted this person but now all of the cis people have their answer and they can understand how to think about Pat now and that makes them more comfortable and so that makes it okay.
No! It's not ok. 😭
*I want to point out that not all the scenes made me giggle. I thought the racist stuff was particularly disgusting. I was giggling at the scenes where I could actually relate to the character because of how people were treating them. It was more like this movie was giving me permission to laugh at the cringiness of my own life because the life of a nonbinary person is pretty cringe a lot of the time because other people are so disgusting about us and our bodies and I didn't hate seeing that on the screen.
no but deadass the clips shown in the video had me chuckling, it could be that im entirely too unserious of a person or there is genuine potential in some of the jokes presented, but i kept thinking "wait with some tweaks that joke would go so hard". i also cant help but appreciate that we know as much about pat's identity at the end of the movie as we did at the beginning, because at the end of the day what matters the most isnt what's in pat's pants, it's why are they so insufferable jesus Christ
but to be fair if i had to sit through 78 straight minutes of this i would be calling every medical professional in the country begging them to give me a lobotomy
I bruised my hand slamming against my desk in hysterics at13:00. That delivery is so perfect.
Liked and subscribed! Thanks for making this series! I was a tween when Pat was popular and I've been watching SNL my whole life. As horrible as it was for you all to experience this I'm very grateful to not feel alone in my reactions lol. If y'all haven't watched it yet, Ace Ventura, it came out around the same time. Jr High was hard in the mid 90s lol
As a GenX queer, I was glad to have lost the memory of Pat until 2019, I really liked work in progress, they did deal with the Character further in a NY way. As for trans/NB folx being a bit woo woo, I worked at a metaphysical bookshop in LA in the 90s LOL there was a lot of making fun of all woowoo people. Which was interesting to me when I would have celebrities call for books or Psychic readings. Roseanne's daughter was a co-worker at one point.
pat's head superimposed onto a kingdom hearts intro transformed a terrible day into a brilliant one, tysm evasive
hey i actually watched this movie for the first time earlier this year, and because i grew up reading the most bottom-barrel transphobic gender swap manga growing up just so i could get a sweet sweet taste of "fictional stories about gender stuff that i can project to as a nb person" i thought i could handle it. i couldn't. I'm so sorry you and your friends watched it's pat.
"non binary" is not the same as trans. Pay attention to any actual trans people and you'd know the difference.
Kinda reminds me of this on manga I read when I was 12 called “Pretty Face” and it was horrible
I watched it about 12 years ago and I wish I could forget it, but no a friend shared this video with me... about the only thing in it I appreciated was Kyle's fall much deserved.
Anyone else get compared to Ranma one half? Every time they are exposed to water, they become the opposite sex. It's just horrible.
this kinda felt like a papercut on an old scar
10:26 "Why are they all still watching? At this point they should leave." I kind of wonder if the person asking that was thinking about themself, stuck watching It's Pat.
I'm 40 and yeah Chris is absolutely being mocked as another type of androgyny, the very 90s hippy-ish "broken down gender till you can't tell what's what" type, a bit like that one Brendan Frasier movie with a bit where he plays an openly emotional 90s man who breaks down crying all the time. woowoo equates to womanly in a bad way at the time, basically.
And yeah this always made me massively uncomfortable as a child and tbf some of that is clearly just like... look at Pat and Chris kiss. It's both "romantic" in a way that uses body language to code it as gross and awkward. That sense of grossness really is the whole tone of it and I think that's part of why the whole thing made no sense to me as a kid. Nm my own gender issues which I really really wasn't aware of until recently.
Chris is honestly goals tho. Gender envy has me wanting to watch this trash fire lol
@@GALL0WSHUM0R oh absolutely. A lot of rep is bad rep but still weirdly helpful. Chris actually seems like a decent person and character if the movie itself weren't set on mockery.
What Brendan Fraser film?
@@steamboatwill3.367 It was one of the alternate Brendan's in Bedazzled.
So fun fact: I remember watching the Pat sketches and movie as a CHILD when it first came out. I'm transmasc/genderqueer and float a bit under the non-binary label, but when I was a child I remember thinking "man. Chris is so much better than Pat, and deserves better."
I also remember thinking that the "joke" with the Pat sketches was meant to be the people trying to "guess" which sex Pat was, or just Pat themselves being super annoying as a person. I never realized until I was older that the joke was meant to be at Pat's expense for being "grossly androgynous". I just thought the people trying to figure it out were...really fucking weird people, because I'd never seen in real life anyone be that dogged about trying to figure out someone's gender. When I was a kid, no one could tell what my gender was, and so people would just...pick one and assume, and then I'd either correct them (or because I wanted to be seen as a boy even then, I Didn't correct them). So to see grown adults like...invading someone's personal space and trying so hard to figure it out, and then often always being thwarted by SOMETHING blocking out the "truth" about Pat, was really funny to me.
Then when I got older and learned that it was just...a really transphobic and often homophobic sketch meant to other Pat for traits that they should NOT have been mocked for, I hated the character. I felt really betrayed by it, because I vividly remember adults sometimes referencing Pat as an insult to someone they found androgynous and unattractive.
I also remember in this movie I just hated Pat because they were an asshole, and was so mad that Chris got back together with them. I also remember hating the chaser neighbor Kyle too because, well, he's a fucking creep.
As an older person just coming to terms with being nonbinary, this SNL skit turned movie spoke to me on so many levels. I will never stop loving this movie for the ideas this character awoke in me.
We've come a long way since then, but this is what we had back in the day.
As a child, this movie fascinated me not because of the subject matter, which I also never found funny, but because of the weird, bizarro 90s visual gags. The two steering wheels are embedded into my brain. I would later find out that this was directed by Adam Bernstein who was a big music video director in the 90s, but most prominently known for launching the MTV careers of They Might Be Giants with some of their most iconic videos. He also directed a bunch of stuff for Nickelodeon, including several episodes of Pete & Pete. Suddenly, this movies distinct nonsense visuals make so much more sense. I honestly wonder if TMBG was approached to be in this before Ween.
Sidenote: I think you could do a fun version of It's Pat...but if Pat themselves weren't so utterly obnoxious. Like, the joke should be on the cis people trying to figure Pat out and going crazy in the process, while Pat remains the most normal person in the room, just doing whatever. Make it a commentary on how cis people legitimately can't understand the concepts of androgyny, while Pat just exists. And to the movie's credit, Kyle (played by the late, great Charle Rocket) DOES kind of do that, but Pat doesn't work as a foil because they're just awful. There's no real satisfaction to the gotcha moment at the end because we're not rooting for Pat at all. I think it was just a trend in the 90s to have overly obnoxious and loud characters for the sake of being just those things, but it deflates a lot of progressive comedic potential.