Right?? Like, it's baffling when I see older people whine about queer and gender nonconforming people existing, when so many still beloved artists of the 80s WERE famously queer and gender nonconforming. Even my Dad who told a sibling "they can have their bright coloured hair if they become a rockstar" Like. Why do average people have such weird limits on our expression? Why do you have to earn the right to be queer/flamboyant with corperate success??
That’s weird - I’m an old man & know for a fact that songs like YMCA & Bronski Beat’s Smalltown Boy were totally about the “gay flight” phenomena of the late 70s/early 80s. Where gay men would leave their provincial life for the big cities, by choice or by force. Often coalescing at hostels & YMCAs
Did the lead singer even read the lyrics? The whole song is about going to meet other men at a place known to be a gay hangout spot. If it's not gay, I couldn't tell you what is. I actually do wonder if he didn't realize what he was singing due to the fact a lot of the info was protected by Dorothy.
I assume he read the lyrics seeing as he wrote them 😂 He claims the lyrics are genuinely about all of the community activities (not a euphemism) the YMCA provides, yet in the past he’s also admitted that a lot of his lyrics contain double entendres.
Because trump doesn't give a shit. He doesn't respect anyone, or anything. Not even criminal charges. Why? Because he has money and because he hasn't experienced the thing known as consequences before, and the people who vote for him seem to be either stupid or malicious and definitely don't want *their* guy being held accountable.
@@dlwseattle That's not true. Aside from Victor Willis, out of the original lineup, Randy Jones (the cowboy) Felipe Rose (the Native American Indian), Alex Briley (the GI), and David Hodo (the construction worker) are all still alive. From what I know, none of them are happy about it.
@@dlwseattleI wrote a reply to you but TH-cam hid/deleted it 😡 I just wanted to correct you. Victor isn’t the only living member from the original line-up. At least 4 other original members are still alive, and they’re not happy.
it's giving that video of the Christian choir singing "Just Like a Prayer". like, sure, let's completely misunderstand, misuse, and/or misinterpret something LOL thanks for posting this cuz i feel like i'm going inSANE bro with inundation of fascist bigoted bullshit.
Are you referring to the actual Like A Prayer music video, or a video of a Christian choir singing it? Because the choir on Madonna’s Like a Prayer was an actual Christian gospel choir. It was Andraé Crouch’s choir. They featured on a lot of pop songs including Michael Jackson’s Man in the Mirror, and Andraé collaborated with loads of secular musicians including Elton John, Little Richard, Diana Ross, and Bob Dylan. He read the lyrics of Like a Prayer and didn’t consider them to be blasphemous (even though some Christians interpreted them that way). However he and the rest of the choir pulled out of the video when he read the treatment for it, because he felt it was too controversial. Crouch never tried to claim Like a Prayer was a Christian song, and he had no issue with queer musicians singing his music (from what I’ve heard, he was pretty progressive for a Christian musician of his era), so I don’t think it’s an equivalent comparison.
It's going to be so much funnier now that people will get to call the song "YMCA, which is NOT a gay anthem" every time they refer to it. Also my favourite village people music video is Sex Over the Phone
Ha, I love Sex Over The Phone! The video is so camp it's hilarious! That was during the brief era when they replaced the entire lineup and tried to go all new wave for some weird reason (so Victor wasn't actually in that video). Then when that era flopped, they brought back as many original members as they could and went back to making disco music.
@@CarysCreatesThings Their new wave phase was 80/81 the Renaissance album, the look was makeup and silly jackets, based on the British Blitz kids that Boy George and Pete Burns came out of. It was their labels idea, they hated it and there are just a couple people from their normal line up. If you should find the Renaissance album its a mess. "Diet" is a song about dieting, its really that bad.
I forgot what the YMCA dance is like, I've gotten so used to seeing Trump do his weirdly jerky flossing that looks like a worn-out animatronic that only had the budget for one moving part.
Saying its defamatory to call it a gay anthem is just pure homophobia. The only reason someone would be offended by that is because theyre afraid of being called gay, but the village people were strictly designed for gay culture. Nobody is going to tell me that the cover art for that album is not a troupe of gay men, because it very clearly is
i was pretty shocked when the lyrics went from “its fun to stay at the, Yyyyymca” to “its fun to stay at the, iiiiii hate the grays” was weird how the kept the other lyrics too
oh man. yeah the song started playing on my youtube and was baffled by the comments. i pointed out the complete lack of literacy there-very politely, might i add-and unsurprisingly, people jumped on a chance to call ME an idiot. and a bigot, for some reason? yeah. what intelligent people.
What a sell-out. Breaks my fucking heart. Im torn, here: i dont want to give this guy more money if he’s being a jackass about it, but I also don’t want conservatives to have it.
I grew up with this song as a staple of my high school dances in at a Catholic High School! It took me a few years to learn that many people consider it to be a gay anthem.
He can claim he didn't intend it to be a gay anthem when he wrote it. But he can't claim that the gay community haven't used it as an anthem, or that that hasn't shaped the impression of the rest of America about the song
Maybe part of the reason why Victor Willis is suing people for calling the YMCA a gay anthem is maybe just because he doesn't like people publicly spelling out the quiet part out loud.
I think it's probably just some dumb legal BS since YMCA is a licensed song about a real place whose owners could be homophobic (I dont know), also he didn't say anything about In the Navy and Macho Man sooo >:3
I know as artist we think the art we publish as something ours to command,but that is not the case once something gets released it can be ascribe a whole new meaning than the intended(not the case here).And i feel like that is fine in most cases .Just because it is not the intended way to enjoy it or see it doesnt mean its wrong i see manny people get hung up on that and wanting to enjoy something as intended....well the intended way might not be the best way...that is decided by you
Maybe he's trying to grenade the reputation of the song so The Orange won't get brownie points for using the song?? Literally no clue because this is beyond logic.
This is wild, I was just talking up the Village People to a friend as classic gay icons, and I'm starting to wonder if jinxing applies to even celebrity reputations now (recommended Neil Gaiman's work to a friend shortly before his nastiness came out too)
What can I say? Money itself is Morally Neutral, it's The Love For Money That Is The True Root Of All Evil. The Color Green does go hand in hand with the deadly sins of Greed and Envy very often.
That's the thing about anthems. Communities choose the songs. Bands don't choose the communities.
Did conservatives not listen to YMCA? Same energy as Queen playing at sports games
sports is also gay?
@@bruhspenningyes very gay
@@bruhspenning No, but queen is!
omg this! These homophobic ghouls chanting along to we will rock you! 🤪
Even as a kid this made no sense to me 😂
Right?? Like, it's baffling when I see older people whine about queer and gender nonconforming people existing, when so many still beloved artists of the 80s WERE famously queer and gender nonconforming.
Even my Dad who told a sibling "they can have their bright coloured hair if they become a rockstar"
Like. Why do average people have such weird limits on our expression? Why do you have to earn the right to be queer/flamboyant with corperate success??
YMCA was co-written with and produced by Jacques Morali, a gay man. Dunno why Victor would try to claimed it was never a gay anthem with this fact.
For money simple as a hat he sold out
That’s weird - I’m an old man & know for a fact that songs like YMCA & Bronski Beat’s Smalltown Boy were totally about the “gay flight” phenomena of the late 70s/early 80s. Where gay men would leave their provincial life for the big cities, by choice or by force. Often coalescing at hostels & YMCAs
Did the lead singer even read the lyrics? The whole song is about going to meet other men at a place known to be a gay hangout spot. If it's not gay, I couldn't tell you what is.
I actually do wonder if he didn't realize what he was singing due to the fact a lot of the info was protected by Dorothy.
according to the guy its a song about black men hanging out, no sexual identity is inferred, which I get, but doubt its something you can sue over.
I assume he read the lyrics seeing as he wrote them 😂 He claims the lyrics are genuinely about all of the community activities (not a euphemism) the YMCA provides, yet in the past he’s also admitted that a lot of his lyrics contain double entendres.
@@CarysCreatesThings he is lying.
@@phat-kidI know that. That’s kind of the point I was making (plus I was pointing out that of course he’s read the lyrics because he wrote them!)
"village people" "ymca" "gay anthem"
sorry gay people are acting "crazy" for saying this is gay???? maybe trump should've chosen a straighter song 🙄🙄
Like "Girls, Girls, Girls" by Van Halen, lol! 🤣😂😅😆
who would've guessed that money would win against integrity when it comes to famous people
So what happens if like 10+ news adjacent outlets all say THE YMCA SONG IS A GAY ANTHEM at the same time can he reasonably sue them all?
I don't think he can reasonably expect to win anything here, I fully understand his point, but its not a legal issue.
Its just awful. I dont know how he was able to continue using the song after the band said that they didnt want him using it.
Because trump doesn't give a shit. He doesn't respect anyone, or anything. Not even criminal charges. Why? Because he has money and because he hasn't experienced the thing known as consequences before, and the people who vote for him seem to be either stupid or malicious and definitely don't want *their* guy being held accountable.
Now we wait until In The Navy gets played at US Navy events.
I now want to know what the other Village People think of this
Victor Willis is the only one who is still alive
@@dlwseattle That's not true. Aside from Victor Willis, out of the original lineup, Randy Jones (the cowboy) Felipe Rose (the Native American Indian), Alex Briley (the GI), and David Hodo (the construction worker) are all still alive. From what I know, none of them are happy about it.
He did it on purpose.
@@dlwseattleI wrote a reply to you but TH-cam hid/deleted it 😡 I just wanted to correct you. Victor isn’t the only living member from the original line-up. At least 4 other original members are still alive, and they’re not happy.
it's giving that video of the Christian choir singing "Just Like a Prayer". like, sure, let's completely misunderstand, misuse, and/or misinterpret something LOL
thanks for posting this cuz i feel like i'm going inSANE bro with inundation of fascist bigoted bullshit.
Also insult to injury to bulls and animals colonialism also exploit and use in carnism and agriculture, too?
or "I'll be watching you" being played at *every* wedding 😂
Are you referring to the actual Like A Prayer music video, or a video of a Christian choir singing it? Because the choir on Madonna’s Like a Prayer was an actual Christian gospel choir. It was Andraé Crouch’s choir. They featured on a lot of pop songs including Michael Jackson’s Man in the Mirror, and Andraé collaborated with loads of secular musicians including Elton John, Little Richard, Diana Ross, and Bob Dylan. He read the lyrics of Like a Prayer and didn’t consider them to be blasphemous (even though some Christians interpreted them that way). However he and the rest of the choir pulled out of the video when he read the treatment for it, because he felt it was too controversial. Crouch never tried to claim Like a Prayer was a Christian song, and he had no issue with queer musicians singing his music (from what I’ve heard, he was pretty progressive for a Christian musician of his era), so I don’t think it’s an equivalent comparison.
@@PossumMedic Sting’s stalker song? Yeah, considering it’s trauma art, not romantic at all 😂
It's going to be so much funnier now that people will get to call the song "YMCA, which is NOT a gay anthem" every time they refer to it. Also my favourite village people music video is Sex Over the Phone
It’ll be the next “X, formerly Twitter”
Have you seen the film Can't Stop the Music? No homosexuality there, nope.
Ha, I love Sex Over The Phone! The video is so camp it's hilarious! That was during the brief era when they replaced the entire lineup and tried to go all new wave for some weird reason (so Victor wasn't actually in that video). Then when that era flopped, they brought back as many original members as they could and went back to making disco music.
@@CarysCreatesThings Their new wave phase was 80/81 the Renaissance album, the look was makeup and silly jackets, based on the British Blitz kids that Boy George and Pete Burns came out of. It was their labels idea, they hated it and there are just a couple people from their normal line up. If you should find the Renaissance album its a mess. "Diet" is a song about dieting, its really that bad.
Milkshake is just about dairy based beverages.
ymca is a gay anthem
I forgot what the YMCA dance is like, I've gotten so used to seeing Trump do his weirdly jerky flossing that looks like a worn-out animatronic that only had the budget for one moving part.
Saying its defamatory to call it a gay anthem is just pure homophobia. The only reason someone would be offended by that is because theyre afraid of being called gay, but the village people were strictly designed for gay culture.
Nobody is going to tell me that the cover art for that album is not a troupe of gay men, because it very clearly is
At least we still have HOT TO GO
Is he gonna sue me, cause I ain’t changing what I call it lol
i was pretty shocked when the lyrics went from “its fun to stay at the, Yyyyymca” to “its fun to stay at the, iiiiii hate the grays” was weird how the kept the other lyrics too
Knowing the internet, I’m sure this won’t backfire hilariously on him at ALL
oh man. yeah the song started playing on my youtube and was baffled by the comments. i pointed out the complete lack of literacy there-very politely, might i add-and unsurprisingly, people jumped on a chance to call ME an idiot.
and a bigot, for some reason? yeah. what intelligent people.
Everyone should go make a video saying "YMCA, which is OBVIOUSLY not a gay anthem "
It's so weird to make that statement. There's a flagging member of the Village People too. 😭
I’ve heard a lot of things about bands and artists from the 70s and 80s being conservative now. Very strange.
🤑🤑🤑
spineless sell-outs, all of 'em.
Pretty sure you cant sue for stating facts 🤔
What a sell-out. Breaks my fucking heart. Im torn, here: i dont want to give this guy more money if he’s being a jackass about it, but I also don’t want conservatives to have it.
I don't know if that homophobic clown is going to be profiting off it they can have it as far as I'm concerned
It's a shame though for sure!
I grew up with this song as a staple of my high school dances in at a Catholic High School! It took me a few years to learn that many people consider it to be a gay anthem.
The music video was shot in front of the gay leather club Ramrod for god-sake and the disco genre came out at the time in queer clubs.
..."Came out" heheheh...
But yeah. Dude's delusional. YMCA is a gay anthem. Sue me.
He can claim he didn't intend it to be a gay anthem when he wrote it.
But he can't claim that the gay community haven't used it as an anthem, or that that hasn't shaped the impression of the rest of America about the song
I thought they were all gay what happened 😭
The straights must’ve indoctrinated them 😔
When you said “terribly/off key” I was expecting it to sound bad & grating possibly, but it sounded really smooth and good to me!
thank you! I’ve never once in my life been accused of being a good singer lol so I figured a warning was fair.
Also theyre real cowboys and police trust me!
Maybe part of the reason why Victor Willis is suing people for calling the YMCA a gay anthem is maybe just because he doesn't like people publicly spelling out the quiet part out loud.
I think it's probably just some dumb legal BS since YMCA is a licensed song about a real place whose owners could be homophobic (I dont know), also he didn't say anything about In the Navy and Macho Man sooo >:3
Well if it wasn't, and it was, it definitely is now thanks to the streisand effect!
It's nost just a gay anthem, it's like, THE gay anthem :p
I know as artist we think the art we publish as something ours to command,but that is not the case once something gets released it can be ascribe a whole new meaning than the intended(not the case here).And i feel like that is fine in most cases .Just because it is not the intended way to enjoy it or see it doesnt mean its wrong i see manny people get hung up on that and wanting to enjoy something as intended....well the intended way might not be the best way...that is decided by you
he doesn't get to decide what's anthemic, the public does ... anyone's free to sue, they're also free to lose their lawsuits as he will
No gods no masters
Love your sign
Maybe he's trying to grenade the reputation of the song so The Orange won't get brownie points for using the song?? Literally no clue because this is beyond logic.
Trump actually used YMCA as a WWE entrance theme in the 2000s. It's not just recently he is using that.
So willes wants it too be a peoples gay anthem, but not be officially called a gay anthem?
Uh… oh… okayy?
This video just arrived in my feed, just like, oh yeah that’s a thing
This is wild, I was just talking up the Village People to a friend as classic gay icons, and I'm starting to wonder if jinxing applies to even celebrity reputations now (recommended Neil Gaiman's work to a friend shortly before his nastiness came out too)
What can I say? Money itself is Morally Neutral, it's The Love For Money That Is The True Root Of All Evil. The Color Green does go hand in hand with the deadly sins of Greed and Envy very often.
I dont mind but im gonna sue you if you say it
YMCA is about a homeless shelter for men, and after novelty of the song wore off it became a gay anthem in the late 70's.
He's a bit late
You are very funny 😆
Oh and cultural miss/in/appropriation and western capitalist propoganda?
Also speciesism in what they are wearing, too?
as a straight, Catholic, conservative-voting woman, I honestly don't care who decides to use the song