It's crazy whiplash to find out that not only is Roland Emmerich gay, but he's a gay man that intentionally whitewashed the history of the Stonewall uprising for his movie. I love learning new things from Evasive
oh great, you're leaving more comments like this... stop trying to discount her efforts because of this fact that is fuckin ridiculous and insulting :| @@Andrei-sg7lu
It wasn't even that long ago, like it's not as if there is no historical record, he can't even say we don't know who was there and you definitely can't white wash it
It is a tragedy that Ray and Marsha in this movie act like they barely know each other. In reality they lived together and referred to each other as mother and daughter. They were absolutely inseparable.
The fact that Roland Emmerich, a gay man himself, doubled down by saying that Stonewall was a white event and defending his use of a white main character in order to attract straight audiences is insulting to say the least. This man should have never been given permission to make a movie about Stonewall.
did you even watch the video?? this is such a non-point. yes they were but it was mostly people of color. and this movie misrepresents that.@@Andrei-sg7lu
i knew this movie was bad, but that scene with the trans woman sexually abusing the main character, what was the point of that???? what does that have to do with stonewall at all???? what's the point of that character??? that felt so gratuitous, weird, vile, out of pocket, offensive, awful!! seriously, what the hell
"My movie is the definition of politically correct! It has trans people in it! Yeah they're played by cis male actors and they're portrayed as violent, old, ugly, creepy, grapists, or being viciously brutalized for the purpose of misery porn but they exist!" - Emmerich probably
That scene made no sense ! This was a time where (young) queer people had to do sex work to live, and it was probably closeted rich dudes paying for it. Not imaginary rich trans ladies. It feels like the point of the scene was to give cishet people someone to blame when they start feeling guilty about history. It’s gross.
maybe i'm being nit-picky, but does it rub anyone else the wrong way that they named ray, ray? the character is based off sylvia rivera and that's her deadname 😭
the way they portrayed that trans woman in that scene…like, i had to actually pause. that was really bad. i’m surprised not many people are talking about how awful that was. i’m glad i didn’t actually watch the movie.
yeah fuck this movie for real for that scene, as if we dont have enough movie trans people who are 1) evil and/or molesters and 2) more one-dimensional than my flat hank hill ass
they had a total of four trans women and all of them were treated terribly 😞 one was just comic relief every once in a while, two were the stereotype of being predatory, and one was just constantly being beaten up and harassed like some sort of trauma porn
What I heard is that it wasn't necessarily a brick that inspired the riot it was the fact that some cops threw a butch lesbian on the ground and roughed her up so she screamed at the crowd to don't just stand there and actually do something to help her EDIT: just rewatched the New York Times video about Stonewall where they interviewed several people who were present during the event and many of the interviewees agreed that the rioters formed not one but MULTIPLE Rockette style kick lines while facing down the cops
Does it really matter at the end of the day? Stonewall is part of the queer mythology now, as anything we think it to be is likely waaaaay more than what actually happened. It was not the start or most crucial point of gay rights either, just a very loud one. I personally just don't see the point of figuring out who threw the first brick (or whatever else led to escalation).
@fatfurie Oh for sure, we can say that this is most likely wrong. However, does it matter if Marsha P. Johnson threw a brick or if the cops abused a butch lesbian?
It has brought me to tears that they didn't hire trans people to play trans characters. As a trans actress who can't find a job despite having over a decade of experience with international projects behind and is discriminated against a lot when it comes to working or even finding a place to pay for, it breaks my heart that people won't even hire us to play US. To represent OUR history. :(
It's called acting. Straight people have acted as all types of sexualities and genders. Gay people have acted as straight people. That's what acting is! You can't gate keep just because you aren't a success. Live with it.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax this person just told you they struggle to get work as a trans person but youre out here still defending cis people taking trans roles? disgusting
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax it just so happens that I used to be a success until I came out. It justo so happens that queer people face discrimination in all kinds of aspects of their lives where straight, cisgender people don't, just like it happens with race, neurodivergencies and disabilities, which is not fair is it ?
when I was a freshman in college my first acting professor played one of the cops in this movie - not one featured in any big scene but I think he appears briefly on camera in a single scene. he swore by method acting and said that he stayed in character every day for shoot and seemed very proud to have made the actors uncomfortable. he was replaced by a different professor the next year and asked everyone in my class to sign a petition to get him hired back lol
That's genuinely hilarious to hear as somebody who went to a conservatory that taught you couldn't act if you had to rely on method and were, in fact, just delusional 💀💀💀
This inversely reminds me of Matilda, and Danny DeVito, who played Matilda’s Abusive father, BUT made sure the young child actress knew it was an act and was VERY doting to her on set, when off camera. Saying you are “method acting” as a cop and then potentially harassing queer people to “be more authentic for the role” is. . . so outrageously not fooling anybody, it’s almost laughable.
@@tigersily i was slapping myself over how easy that would have been but the director didnt see it and instead went with whatever 'i'm too mad to love anyone' means
"Is she dead?" "she IS dead" "nooo..." "Judy is dead babygirl" why was the delivery of this back and forth the funniest thing ive heard in weeks, i havent stopped giggling for like 5 minutes. 'judy is dead babygirl' is making into my lexicon i can FEEL it
REAL this was so funny... this and the part where the zodiac discussion distracts them from the gay se x scene are golden. If i had the skills i would want to make an animatic of those 😆
I've not seen this movie (why would I) but it feels like Emmerich should have just made a movie about a gay man in 60s New York, not about Stonewall. Forcing Stonewall to link into this weird plot regarding the club owner assaulting someone being stopped by the police raid feels really weird, Emmerich. It feels like Stonewall was tacked onto a drama film about a fictional character, it should just be about the ficitonal character.
@@christopherb501 Totally agree. Not every queer person in NYC was at Stonewall that night, but they heard about it. A story following someone on the peripherals of such an event, witnessing the impact from the sidelines, would still have been a story worth telling.
@@jijitters It would have been so much more interesting to write a story about the white main character realizing that he isn't the center of the universe. If it was a story about a white, cis gay guy grappling with his own privileged, conflict-adverse behaviour, to the point where he misses out on Stonewall because he'd rather be invisible and "respectable"...I think there's validity in a movie exploring that perspective. Yet it wasn't that, and they had him throw the first brick instead
the fact that this movie was written by a cis gay white man and is rewriting history so that stonewall was heralded by a cis gay white man 🤨 i dont think that or the lack of women in this movie is a coincidence
I think its also important to point out the absence of transmasculinity in the film. Storme wasn't just the only Lesbian in the film, she was the only instance of masculine GNC as she was a drag king (who so often gets overlooked because people don't think transmasculinity exists in any part of the masculine GNC and trans spectrum) I know one Papi Rossa was talking about how femmes always struggle and mascs get everything, and that is true...for some LGBTQ+ groups. Trans mascs, trans men, masc sapphics, and drag kings get so much shit that is never acknowledged, not by our erased history, not by LGBTQ+ people today, and definitely not by films like this, and we are rarely ever supported in fighting against it simply because of how much is erased that no one even knows we need the support.
This is so true, I regret not pointing it out yeah you’re right. Not a single character anywhere in this movie that could be considered trans masc or trans masc adjacent. It’s erasure, pure and simple
Yeah , erasure of the masculine side of the community has been a problem this past decade . I have seen people call masculine trans people ,gay men , sapphics/lesbians and drag queens as "straight passing" ,"cis passing" or that they are not in touch with their "gayness/transness" . No wonder this both sides are so different.
This movie is wrong in ever form and full of erasure, ill give you that. That being said, trans mascs have talked over me my whole adult life. I know several yt ones in particular who became pigs and/or military terrorists for our oppressors, literal traitors to the community. The only trans person that ever SA'd me was a trans man. Like, its really hard to work with trans mascs when so many of yall perpetuate the same male violence and patriarchal attitudes of the cis.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Roland Emmerich is the most financially successful gay director in Hollywood right now-Independence Day, Godzilla, 2012, and Day After Tomorrow-and his movies are the most heterosexual things ever
I know you’re joking. But.. imagine if, at the halfway point, aliens had invaded or something truly crazy happened. Like, if it’s not going for historical accuracy (and it’s directed by Roland Emerich), having the Stonewall patrons fight off an alien invasion is a movie I’d like to see.
Wow that was horrific. Rey was great ofc, I agree. But the whitewashing, the absense of lesbians, the rampant disgusting transphobia... It was worse than I could have imagined. And considering it came out *after* the legalization of gay marriage in the US and the reworking of the WPATH... Absolutely atrocious. And yes I agree, it should have been about Rey. Our girl was the star, and was treated horribly. Shameful. 😓
@@dasani.like.the.water.WHAT my jaw just dropped! I knew the name Sylvia Rivera and that “Ray” was based on her but I figured it was short for Rivera.. If it was literally any other name on the planet then some of this could have been chalked up to a rich gay white cis male obliviousness, but that was a goddamn choice.
_"I'm a gay man, so I know exactly how to make this movie about gay liberation, even though I have never made a movie about something like this before"_ -Roland Emerich
it's crazy because the movie is kind of like the modern-day Stonewall: passionately trying to capture the history of a deeply personal and powerful civil rights movement in American history but, at its core, best serving as a tourist attraction that doesn't connect people to the reality of the events that actually took place
Or similarly to actual events that happened after stonewall, the main focus was on the gay and lesbian people and they shoved the trans people under the bus because they saw their chance at being accepted
@@thezachman1I agree with your intention here, but I’m pretty sure if you asked people to name one person who was at Stonewall the first name on that list would be Marsha P Johnson. I can personally only name three: MPJ, Sylvia Rivera, and Stormé DeLarverie. All gender nonconforming, POC and/or women. I think the recent effort to give credit were it’s due has been pretty successful, honestly (this terrible movie excluded).
The fact that the director said he wanted "a transgender" to play Marsha P Johnson is a clear example of why he should NOT have been directing a film about the Stonewall uprising.
where are the lesbians in this movie. like there was no mention of them. the story goes that a black butch lesbian was being assaulted and shouted to the crowd to do something, and that inspired the violence. the historical inaccuracy is palpable even to people who don’t know very much about stonewall.
@@salem-01 but it’s better than the lukewarm rep they made of the trans characters that were in here… like they portray some of the trans women so horribly.. I don’t wanna imagine what would happen to the trans mascs.
@NavieNavira massively fucked up to tell someone “hey, stop complaining about being erased from history! At least you aren’t being portrayed badly.” Erasure is still bad and massively harmful and it’s something that’s done real lasting damage to AFAB queer people even within the queer community. Please stop telling people to just shut up and be happy with silencing and erasure.
There is zero doubt in my mind Roland Emmerich thought that guy gave the best audition. He couldn't tell who gave the best performance between a person and a tomato.
If they wanted to make it about a white cis straight acting guy they could have made it about Dave Van Ronk, a real guy who was an anarchist folk singer and saw the riot start from a diner across the street and immediately ran over to join in.
If you’re talking about who I think you’re talking about, you forgot to mention the best part. He didn’t even know why they were rioting, he just saw them and immediately joined
Tbf fair all Emmerich plots have this beautifully done self-erasure feature, Emmerich's only redeeming work, a biopic titled, "Eternal Sunshine of the Smoothbrain."
@@EvasiveOneIt feels like Roland got comfy in the closet and when he come out he took it with him everywhere. Cause no way a gay man who was an adult during the AIDS endemic could be this sheltered till the 2010s
Can I just say, the fact that the actor they got didn't even ATTEMPT to emulate the way Marsha P. Johnson actually spoke in real life, alongside her just being comedy relief is so insulting. This whole movie is just so insulting tbch. The audacity Roland Emmerich had to defend and double down on this. 😐🙃
So you're telling me that the man who believes icon Shakesqueer didn't write his own plays because he was poor and effeminate made a movie that is essentially revisionist history about queer people? Color. Me. Shocked.
Uhm, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but this comes off as you implying: "I'm thankful Marsha's dead so she doesn't have to see this.", and I hope that's not what you meant, you might wanna reword that. 😅
@@flummoxedgiles I don't know what this person means because I'm not inside their head, honestly I try to have faith in Humanity but it just so happens so people want me to die for simply being born the way I am, so, ... you know, it's difficult, especially on the Internet because people tend to lose their filter behind the shield of their screens. 💙💖🤍💖💙 And I mean that's *literally* what they're saying: they're glad that she can't see it, and why can't she see it? She's dead. The phrase needs to stop being used like this, it's so apathetic, "I'm glad [Insert name of murder victim.] can't see this", *like what*? 😨 You can understand my point at least *slightly* can't you? 🖤♠️💜🤍
@@Hunter_VanderMatthews it's not "glad she can't see it" though. it's "glad she didn't have to." you can safely infer a wayyy different intent from that. think of it this way, if she were still alive, the sentiment would likely be "i hope she hasn't and won't ever watch this movie"
as a non-american who only really heard about stonewall through memes about who threw the first brick, thank you for including info about the actual event at the start!
completely unrelated to the video but i really do love how in all of these videos evasive always brings in little snacks for the various queer ppl being tortured for her content. i too would watch horrible films in exchange for something to chew on while i suffered
@@strawberryqueen0382 HAH! A wonderful suggestion! Or alternatively, get the queer elders all good and liquored up and they can sing along to the music while watching the film. If they're drunk enough, TH-cam's copyright system won't recognize their singing as singing at all! (Because technically speaking, covers are still a breaking of copyright, sadly. There is still every possibility of getting a copyright strike for covering a song.)
It’s impressive how this movie, even when filtered through the lens of this review/reaction video felt the most uncomfortable and cringe-inducing for me out of all of the movies that you covered before in this series. Also make a video where you’re forcing gay men to watch Boat Trip (2002)
Why does finding out this was a passion project make me hate it more? Its like Ronald made up his own historical fanfiction self-insert and placed him inside the Stonewall riots and I hate it.
his willingness to be ignorant and insisting that stonewall was a white event and that anyone who says otherwise is the ignorant party is SO insane 😭😭 like thats such blatant racism
I find it quite interesting that a movie about Stonewall trying to sell itself to straight audiences had scenes with queer characters trying teach each other how to blend in with the rest of the world. Might as well had the end credits soundtracked by Michael Jackson singing “Keep it in the closet.”
@@Andrei-sg7lu My comment is more of a statement that maybe the director could’ve taken the lesson from the scenes in the script and maybe not tried to repeat all that and not placated the straight audience. But yeah I’m stupid and don’t know what year the movie took place!
I hate that inside a sh*tty offensive movie about Stonewall, Roland managed to showcase the plight of the fems so well. I credit that to the writer and actor, but like, where is our best character film!
I did NOT realize how recent this movie was, for some reason I thought it was from the early 2000's, it's too recent to make some of these choices lmao
i feel like roland wanted to make gay titanic by putting fictional characters into an historical event but it doesnt hit well when the story is about a specific group of people (and their struggle). its like if someone made a movie about rosa parks and the main character was the person who sat next to her
"Danny Winters" is such a default white guy name, it sounds like the name of a side character I'd have written aged 7 whose sister was called something like Emerald Ruby Quartz Winters the Third
I was going to make a silly comment but I just genuinely love your videos. ❤ as a queer person, it’s hard to find content to connect with these days. Queer people discussing movies in an unserious way, that’s what I’m talking about. And you also got plenty of laughs from me. Thanks for making things like this!
Ramona and Beezus?? Oh my gosh I haven't thought of that movie in forever. I bust out laughing hearing it. YES THAT'S WHERE I RECOGNIZE HER FROM THANK YOU!
They still abused the shit out of their LGBT patrons, reportedly keeping the bars in shit conditions and hiking up the prices of alcohol more than it was worth. The mafia broadly speaking did not respect queer people, they just offered a service and gays took it cause they had no other option
I get what you mean, but the mafia only created gay bars because queer people were easy to exploit. You can have a dingy, ratty place with overpriced watered-down alcohol in broken glasses because it's not like queer people have somewhere better to go, right? These bars were places to suck money out of vulnerable people sadly :(
@@randomusername1735 Eh whatever their motivation was, they did a good thing. It says so much about America that organized crime was more inclusive and accepting than the government lol.
Even the poster for this movie baffles me because it looks unreasonably happy for the subject matter. It reminds me of one of those fake AI-generated offensive Pixar movie posters like "Chernobyl" or "'Caust."
Stonewall wasn’t a movement it was an event, and important event, but an event. The queer rights movement started years even decades before stonewall. Stonewall was a racial diverse event for sure, but that shouldn’t be conflated with the rest of the movement. Most queer historians put the start of the gay liberation movement at Independence Hall in Philadelphia on July 4th, 1965, which was a point queer rights broke away from gay acceptance. Before that there were several large queer groups working towards gay acceptance. The majority of the figures before and after stonewall were white cis men and women. The reason? Money (white people had more money). There was also division in queer POC groups about whether they should focus on racial rights or queer rights (this also happened with women’s rights and it’s why white women are over represented in that movement).
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 although I was aware that the movement existed before stonewall, this really helped me understand it all better. Thank you for that
@@morbidsearch “If I had a nickel for every time Roland Emmerich directed a movie about New York events that were violent, I’d have two nickels which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice”
Hey just want you to know that your content has played a roll in helping me to deal with my bigotry. I use to be a raging Anti SJW saying all the dumb stuff like get woke go broke and called people horrible things like groomers and when ever there was a gay/trans or any minority represented in a movie I always thought it was part of a so called woke agenda. Anyway I have done alot of soul searching these past three years exposing myself to other types of people and trying to understand because before I was miserable and full of hate due to my ignorance but thankfully I am no longer that way and watching your videos and just seeing people from the LGBTQ community having fun,being funny while also hearing their perspectives on these films has really helped. So thank you
Lmao. I remember when this came out. The trailer had so much backlash that it just kind of fizzled out. 😂 To be fair though, I’m an asexual woman who has limited knowledge of queer history. So reading the angry comments on that trailer gave me a lot of useful knowledge about an event that I didn’t know much about. So thanks Roland Emerch. 👍🏼
You should make gay people watch Q force! It was that gay animated show that was absolutely BOTCHED and MURDERED by netflix's marketing team. They marketed the show to straight people and made it look like a shallow animation made by straight people for straight people about what they THINK queer people are like, but the actual show is genuinely REALLY good. I'm so mad that the marketing was botched because the target audience turned away from it after the marketing stunt.
I remember hearing about this movie way back in high school in our gsa. We were all a bunch of teenagers who were still learning the history of Stonewall and I just remember the people in charge of the club ragging on the film when the trailer came out. Somehow this movie is worst than teenage me could've imagined
You know this is a bad movie when the original Quantum Leap, season 4, episode 12, “Running for Honor - June 11, 1964” did a better job explaining what Stonewall was, even if it was a very brief mention at the end.
I decided to watch this with my trans friend, and we were both disgusted by the portrayal of trans people and making it JUST about gay cis white man like come on, bro 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I have enjoyed every movie group youve had, but THIS panel right here is without a doubt the most entertaining group of all time. Bring them back for another movie!
Honest to god the biggest shock is that the man behind Independence Day is not a straight man. Like, if he’s not straight what even is life? Has anyone taken a closer look at Michael Bay? What else am I unaware of?
Yah this confirms that you will find anything to get this movie on in the most patheticway possible. Scenery lighting is now an issue? (And that's WHO'S fault really???) I wonder what will an issue in 3 to 4 years from now, or is it just active desperation to find wrongs where there are none when you're desperate to make someone hurt like you hurt.
I really appreciate how you’re editing allows for the events to breathe. Nothing is overstated. Some TH-camrs would overplay certain events and hyperbolize. But you plainly state the facts and allow them to be as jarring as they actually would be. You had nothing up, because the story is already insane on its own. Please keep it up.
WOAH THATS ME! IM THE QUEER AVATAR AND DEVILMAN VIDEO, THANKS LOVE FOR HAVING ME ON IT WAS FUN
Devilman meaning Devilman Crybaby? That is a *hell* of a fucking anime and a massive kick in the balls.
i subbed to your channel! you were fucking hilarious in this vid keep making content queen
Absolutely love your avatar! ❤❤
@NotVille_ way to copy my comment lol
Devilman meaning Devilman Crybaby? That is a hell of a fucking anime and a massive kick in the balls
It's crazy whiplash to find out that not only is Roland Emmerich gay, but he's a gay man that intentionally whitewashed the history of the Stonewall uprising for his movie. I love learning new things from Evasive
diversity win?
Learning that a white gay dude made Independence Day explains so much
There's nothing respectable about respectability politics
It was like learning Tim Cook,(CEO of Apple) was gay but in the worst way possible
@@andriypredmyrskyy7791 what is Respectability Politics?
“Comic-relief Marsha P Johnson” is the darkest scariest thing I’ve ever heard
She's LEGENDARY. Marsha along with others started the GAY REVOLUTION
@kevincournoyer4789 Marsha didn't even arrive at Stonewall until hours later.
oh great, you're leaving more comments like this... stop trying to discount her efforts because of this fact that is fuckin ridiculous and insulting :| @@Andrei-sg7lu
@@kevincournoyer4789 Are you okay? Marsha didn't start the gay revolution. Where did you get that?😮
@@kevincournoyer4789 did u watch the video? lol...
"Stonewall was a white event" how can that dude fail to understand THAT BADLY
My genuine reaction to that quote: 😟
Have you SEEN his Shakespeare movie? I'd say it comes pretty naturally to him lol
@@minomushi_hitogata Yeah, I don't really expect historical accuracy coming from the guy who thinks that the Tudor rose was an actual flower.
_BECAUSE HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF 10000 BC;_ were you listening?
It wasn't even that long ago, like it's not as if there is no historical record, he can't even say we don't know who was there and you definitely can't white wash it
It is a tragedy that Ray and Marsha in this movie act like they barely know each other. In reality they lived together and referred to each other as mother and daughter. They were absolutely inseparable.
They had a couple brief scenes together that I didn’t show but besides that yeah, they may as well have been strangers
That hurts my heart 💔
This was a queer history lesson disguised as a movie review/summary. 10/10 would watch again
I was gonna comment, my favorite part of this was the context at the beginning
Learned SO much about Stonewall, and it wasn't from the movie.
I would love for the channel to just be Evasive summarizing movies.
The fact that Roland Emmerich, a gay man himself, doubled down by saying that Stonewall was a white event and defending his use of a white main character in order to attract straight audiences is insulting to say the least. This man should have never been given permission to make a movie about Stonewall.
White men were at Stonewall so...
did you even watch the video?? this is such a non-point. yes they were but it was mostly people of color. and this movie misrepresents that.@@Andrei-sg7lu
@Andrei-sg7lu are you being intentionally dense? No one is denying that
@@Andrei-sg7luAnd Women of Color were the ones who actually did more shit than them.
The white guy providing commentary on diversity just seems virtue signaling.
Evasive threw the last brick at Roland Emmerich.
Throwing Blaire White is NOT acceptable.
@@Djoodibooti😂😂😂
Be gay do crime
aww i wanted to throw that one :(((
@@DjoodibootiThrow her grifter ass out completely
i knew this movie was bad, but that scene with the trans woman sexually abusing the main character, what was the point of that???? what does that have to do with stonewall at all???? what's the point of that character??? that felt so gratuitous, weird, vile, out of pocket, offensive, awful!! seriously, what the hell
not just sexual abuse, LITERALLY quoting the Bible while ripping his pants off I don’t think you can make that scene more awful that that
"My movie is the definition of politically correct! It has trans people in it! Yeah they're played by cis male actors and they're portrayed as violent, old, ugly, creepy, grapists, or being viciously brutalized for the purpose of misery porn but they exist!" - Emmerich probably
That scene made no sense ! This was a time where (young) queer people had to do sex work to live, and it was probably closeted rich dudes paying for it. Not imaginary rich trans ladies.
It feels like the point of the scene was to give cishet people someone to blame when they start feeling guilty about history. It’s gross.
The only reason I can think of is projection.
Maybe Roland had a similar experience? If he was trying to build us up, he very much failed.
maybe i'm being nit-picky, but does it rub anyone else the wrong way that they named ray, ray? the character is based off sylvia rivera and that's her deadname 😭
I noticed that too but I didn’t wanna say anything because I didn’t want to be deadnaming her the entire video 🫠
@@EvasiveOneahh okay i figured, great video by the way! i really enjoyed this one!!
Ohhhhhhh, oh noooooooo...
I gasped reading this comment, that is vile 😢
Oh my god what the fuckkkk that’s messed up
"We were talking about horoscopes, and missed the gay sex scene!" is an experience I hope every fellow queer goes through at least once in their lives
the way they portrayed that trans woman in that scene…like, i had to actually pause. that was really bad. i’m surprised not many people are talking about how awful that was. i’m glad i didn’t actually watch the movie.
It helps it's one of the least seen movies ever seen by a blockbuster filmmaker ever.
yeah fuck this movie for real for that scene, as if we dont have enough movie trans people who are 1) evil and/or molesters and 2) more one-dimensional than my flat hank hill ass
they had a total of four trans women and all of them were treated terribly 😞 one was just comic relief every once in a while, two were the stereotype of being predatory, and one was just constantly being beaten up and harassed like some sort of trauma porn
I’m cis, and it still made me uncomfortable
The persona music in the backgroud is such a nice touch
Thanks so much Mac! ✨ Persona music has just been stuck in my head since age 14 tbh
i didnt even realise it but i 1000% agree, persona music is so damn good
based persona music enjoyers
and Yakuza at the end lmao
Woah, I did not expect you here but nice.
What I heard is that it wasn't necessarily a brick that inspired the riot it was the fact that some cops threw a butch lesbian on the ground and roughed her up so she screamed at the crowd to don't just stand there and actually do something to help her
EDIT: just rewatched the New York Times video about Stonewall where they interviewed several people who were present during the event and many of the interviewees agreed that the rioters formed not one but MULTIPLE Rockette style kick lines while facing down the cops
Does it really matter at the end of the day? Stonewall is part of the queer mythology now, as anything we think it to be is likely waaaaay more than what actually happened. It was not the start or most crucial point of gay rights either, just a very loud one. I personally just don't see the point of figuring out who threw the first brick (or whatever else led to escalation).
@@ByronAndOnAndOnare we even queer if we aren’t arguing about stonewall for fun 😂
@@ByronAndOnAndOn We wouldn't have annual pride celebrations. The first pride march was the one year anniversary of Stonewall.
@@ByronAndOnAndOn yes and no. yes because its being attributed to a white dude like everything else.. when it more than likely wasnt.
@fatfurie Oh for sure, we can say that this is most likely wrong. However, does it matter if Marsha P. Johnson threw a brick or if the cops abused a butch lesbian?
It has brought me to tears that they didn't hire trans people to play trans characters. As a trans actress who can't find a job despite having over a decade of experience with international projects behind and is discriminated against a lot when it comes to working or even finding a place to pay for, it breaks my heart that people won't even hire us to play US. To represent OUR history. :(
I feel you💖 this movie was a disaster in so many ways but that was the biggest one to me
It's called acting. Straight people have acted as all types of sexualities and genders. Gay people have acted as straight people. That's what acting is! You can't gate keep just because you aren't a success. Live with it.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax Shut. UP.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax this person just told you they struggle to get work as a trans person but youre out here still defending cis people taking trans roles? disgusting
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax it just so happens that I used to be a success until I came out. It justo so happens that queer people face discrimination in all kinds of aspects of their lives where straight, cisgender people don't, just like it happens with race, neurodivergencies and disabilities, which is not fair is it ?
when I was a freshman in college my first acting professor played one of the cops in this movie - not one featured in any big scene but I think he appears briefly on camera in a single scene. he swore by method acting and said that he stayed in character every day for shoot and seemed very proud to have made the actors uncomfortable. he was replaced by a different professor the next year and asked everyone in my class to sign a petition to get him hired back lol
oh my god that means he was probably mean and nasty to the gay actors even off camera and even though he was just an extra that’s so sad hahahaha
What the fuckkkk
That's genuinely hilarious to hear as somebody who went to a conservatory that taught you couldn't act if you had to rely on method and were, in fact, just delusional 💀💀💀
@@minomushi_hitogata actors only seem to use method acting as an excuse to be an asshole
This inversely reminds me of Matilda, and Danny DeVito, who played Matilda’s Abusive father, BUT made sure the young child actress knew it was an act and was VERY doting to her on set, when off camera.
Saying you are “method acting” as a cop and then potentially harassing queer people to “be more authentic for the role” is. . . so outrageously not fooling anybody, it’s almost laughable.
"I can't love you. I'm too mad to love anyone" is the most im12andthisisdeep line I've ever heard lmao
also was he too mad forever?? it doesn’t even make sense 😩
Not only that, but there was a perfect answer avail, "I'm not attracted to women"
@@tigersily i was slapping myself over how easy that would have been but the director didnt see it and instead went with whatever 'i'm too mad to love anyone' means
@@tigersily I was fully expecting him to say that he only like guys and then he said whatever that was 😭
finding out the guy who made independence day is gay from this video was wild
Independence Gay
Same
The fact that I2 movie was supposed to be a return to the disaster movie genre that roared in the 90s...to no one remembering it even exists.
"Is she dead?"
"she IS dead"
"nooo..."
"Judy is dead babygirl"
why was the delivery of this back and forth the funniest thing ive heard in weeks, i havent stopped giggling for like 5 minutes. 'judy is dead babygirl' is making into my lexicon i can FEEL it
It feels so genuine, like this is somehow their first time finding out that Judy Garland died
REAL this was so funny... this and the part where the zodiac discussion distracts them from the gay se x scene are golden. If i had the skills i would want to make an animatic of those 😆
I've not seen this movie (why would I) but it feels like Emmerich should have just made a movie about a gay man in 60s New York, not about Stonewall. Forcing Stonewall to link into this weird plot regarding the club owner assaulting someone being stopped by the police raid feels really weird, Emmerich. It feels like Stonewall was tacked onto a drama film about a fictional character, it should just be about the ficitonal character.
Even having Stonewall just as a backdrop event would have been fine in such a case.
@@christopherb501 Totally agree. Not every queer person in NYC was at Stonewall that night, but they heard about it. A story following someone on the peripherals of such an event, witnessing the impact from the sidelines, would still have been a story worth telling.
@@jijitters It would have been so much more interesting to write a story about the white main character realizing that he isn't the center of the universe. If it was a story about a white, cis gay guy grappling with his own privileged, conflict-adverse behaviour, to the point where he misses out on Stonewall because he'd rather be invisible and "respectable"...I think there's validity in a movie exploring that perspective.
Yet it wasn't that, and they had him throw the first brick instead
@@jijitters that would have been so much better than the actual movie
the fact that this movie was written by a cis gay white man and is rewriting history so that stonewall was heralded by a cis gay white man 🤨 i dont think that or the lack of women in this movie is a coincidence
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but cis white gay men were at Stonewall.
I think its also important to point out the absence of transmasculinity in the film. Storme wasn't just the only Lesbian in the film, she was the only instance of masculine GNC as she was a drag king (who so often gets overlooked because people don't think transmasculinity exists in any part of the masculine GNC and trans spectrum)
I know one Papi Rossa was talking about how femmes always struggle and mascs get everything, and that is true...for some LGBTQ+ groups. Trans mascs, trans men, masc sapphics, and drag kings get so much shit that is never acknowledged, not by our erased history, not by LGBTQ+ people today, and definitely not by films like this, and we are rarely ever supported in fighting against it simply because of how much is erased that no one even knows we need the support.
This is so true, I regret not pointing it out yeah you’re right. Not a single character anywhere in this movie that could be considered trans masc or trans masc adjacent. It’s erasure, pure and simple
Yeah , erasure of the masculine side of the community has been a problem this past decade .
I have seen people call masculine trans people ,gay men , sapphics/lesbians and drag queens as "straight passing" ,"cis passing" or that they are not in touch with their "gayness/transness" . No wonder this both sides are so different.
This movie is wrong in ever form and full of erasure, ill give you that.
That being said, trans mascs have talked over me my whole adult life. I know several yt ones in particular who became pigs and/or military terrorists for our oppressors, literal traitors to the community.
The only trans person that ever SA'd me was a trans man.
Like, its really hard to work with trans mascs when so many of yall perpetuate the same male violence and patriarchal attitudes of the cis.
I would rather be ignored than almost beat nearly to death because my voice cracked in the bathroom
@moffichu9150 as if that doesn’t also happen to masc afab people and transmascs
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Roland Emmerich is the most financially successful gay director in Hollywood right now-Independence Day, Godzilla, 2012, and Day After Tomorrow-and his movies are the most heterosexual things ever
the only other ones that come to mind are joel schumacher and john waters
Because he caters to straight cis audiences
Aside from this and Independence Day 2, do ANY of his movies have any explicitly queer characters?
Bryan Singer did direct the "X-Men" movies, but he's a predator.
Kenny Ortega's projects are surprisingly straight too.
Ronald Emmerich be like: “Actually it was the aliens from Independence Day that threw the first brick at stonewall.”
They also built the pyramids, did you know that?
Actually, this focus-tested mascot threw the first brick. And you can own your own for $19.95
Lol didn't expect to see you here
The only reason I'm not liking this comment is because it's currently at 69 likes, and I can't be the one to ruin that.
I know you’re joking. But.. imagine if, at the halfway point, aliens had invaded or something truly crazy happened. Like, if it’s not going for historical accuracy (and it’s directed by Roland Emerich), having the Stonewall patrons fight off an alien invasion is a movie I’d like to see.
"The Queer People"
It's like they're animals you've moved to a new habitat to study their reactions to new stimuli
A+ bit gets me every time
Help I was thinking this too!! It was like Evasive was narrating a nature documentary lmao💀💀
Wow that was horrific. Rey was great ofc, I agree. But the whitewashing, the absense of lesbians, the rampant disgusting transphobia...
It was worse than I could have imagined. And considering it came out *after* the legalization of gay marriage in the US and the reworking of the WPATH... Absolutely atrocious.
And yes I agree, it should have been about Rey. Our girl was the star, and was treated horribly. Shameful. 😓
I find the conservative gay man to be an enigma, mostly through internalized self loathing and guilt over being gay.
You do realize what year this film takes place in, right? 😂
@@Andrei-sg7lu having encountered several of your comments now I'm convinced this is actually Roland Emmerich's burner account
I wish that they gave Ray a different name. She’s based of Sylvia Rivera and they named her after her deadname :/
@@dasani.like.the.water.WHAT my jaw just dropped! I knew the name Sylvia Rivera and that “Ray” was based on her but I figured it was short for Rivera..
If it was literally any other name on the planet then some of this could have been chalked up to a rich gay white cis male obliviousness, but that was a goddamn choice.
_"I'm a gay man, so I know exactly how to make this movie about gay liberation, even though I have never made a movie about something like this before"_
-Roland Emerich
The D in Roland stands for Dunning-Kruger.
it's crazy because the movie is kind of like the modern-day Stonewall: passionately trying to capture the history of a deeply personal and powerful civil rights movement in American history but, at its core, best serving as a tourist attraction that doesn't connect people to the reality of the events that actually took place
Or similarly to actual events that happened after stonewall, the main focus was on the gay and lesbian people and they shoved the trans people under the bus because they saw their chance at being accepted
@goose9515 There's a lot to be said about how little we talk about Marsha P Johnson
@@thezachman1I agree with your intention here, but I’m pretty sure if you asked people to name one person who was at Stonewall the first name on that list would be Marsha P Johnson.
I can personally only name three: MPJ, Sylvia Rivera, and Stormé DeLarverie. All gender nonconforming, POC and/or women. I think the recent effort to give credit were it’s due has been pretty successful, honestly (this terrible movie excluded).
Kinda like Auschwitz, sadly enough (though I should note the Holocaust and Stonewall are different)
@@benya14-bo5rx they are, in reality, two different very events lol
17:16 EXTREMELY funny to me that the outing slur graffiti is in cursive
the hate crime has to be ~ aesthetic ~
I’m crying lmaoooo
I was hoping someone would point this out LOL
The fact that the director said he wanted "a transgender" to play Marsha P Johnson is a clear example of why he should NOT have been directing a film about the Stonewall uprising.
where are the lesbians in this movie. like there was no mention of them. the story goes that a black butch lesbian was being assaulted and shouted to the crowd to do something, and that inspired the violence. the historical inaccuracy is palpable even to people who don’t know very much about stonewall.
The lack of lesbians and trans mascs really is so frustrating like
@@salem-01 but it’s better than the lukewarm rep they made of the trans characters that were in here… like they portray some of the trans women so horribly.. I don’t wanna imagine what would happen to the trans mascs.
@@vividd8246 theyd prolly make the transmascs a fetish piece because cis straight man director
@@salem-01 On the contrary, you should be happy that they weren't butchered so awfully like anyone not a cis man in this movie.
@NavieNavira massively fucked up to tell someone “hey, stop complaining about being erased from history! At least you aren’t being portrayed badly.” Erasure is still bad and massively harmful and it’s something that’s done real lasting damage to AFAB queer people even within the queer community. Please stop telling people to just shut up and be happy with silencing and erasure.
we gotta get this woman more friends so she can keep making these
i've got my hand in the air i'm bouncing in my seat i'm muttering pick me pick me pick me under my breath
pick me, i say, knowing full well there is an entire atlantic ocean in the way
getting evasive as many friends as possible like she’s a sim with the Friend of the World aspiration
@@j_fenrir same lmao my ass lives on the other side of the country from NYC
@@fauxrowsdower7610 No literally if there’s ever an agender or aroace episode I am fr jumping waving yelling lmao
There is zero doubt in my mind Roland Emmerich thought that guy gave the best audition. He couldn't tell who gave the best performance between a person and a tomato.
LOL 🤣
If they wanted to make it about a white cis straight acting guy they could have made it about Dave Van Ronk, a real guy who was an anarchist folk singer and saw the riot start from a diner across the street and immediately ran over to join in.
If you’re talking about who I think you’re talking about, you forgot to mention the best part. He didn’t even know why they were rioting, he just saw them and immediately joined
@@Dr_Mortis_SCPking shit honestly
@@luthientinuviel3883 An absolute legend
Iconic behaviour 😊
Bruh, basically said "Man, i don't what's going on, but fuck da police" 😂
"Where's James Charles when you need him?"
"At the local elementary school."
OH MY GODS! 😂
That was hands down the best bit of the video. Such a quick and perfect response. XD
Girl, *God
Tumblr: boycotted this successfully
Twitter: couldn’t even boycott Chick Fil-A
The Love Simon book plugging Chick Fil A's Oreo milkshakes.
@@morbidsearchLeave Love, Simon out of this.
white people: couldnt even boycott fucking starbucks
The Activist and Identity Boycotting Bloc ain't what it used to be.
Tbf fair all Emmerich plots have this beautifully done self-erasure feature, Emmerich's only redeeming work, a biopic titled, "Eternal Sunshine of the Smoothbrain."
Him saying Stonewall was a “white event” gave me major whiplash, but also it sadly wasn’t that surprising.
"Gurl, that's pitbull. Don't do him like that." I almost broke a fucking rib laughing. Ouch.
Queer people are so funny, I wish they were real (I’m queer. I also don’t exist boo 👻)
Did Roland even google Stonewall? 😭 I think you did more research just making this video than he did when making a whole ass movie
TRULYYY it’s like he refused to fact check his script even once
@@EvasiveOneIt feels like Roland got comfy in the closet and when he come out he took it with him everywhere. Cause no way a gay man who was an adult during the AIDS endemic could be this sheltered till the 2010s
Can I just say, the fact that the actor they got didn't even ATTEMPT to emulate the way Marsha P. Johnson actually spoke in real life, alongside her just being comedy relief is so insulting. This whole movie is just so insulting tbch. The audacity Roland Emmerich had to defend and double down on this. 😐🙃
He definitely deserved better.
So you're telling me that the man who believes icon Shakesqueer didn't write his own plays because he was poor and effeminate made a movie that is essentially revisionist history about queer people? Color. Me. Shocked.
I totally forgot about that bullshit omg
No wonder the movie flopped. Bro got some internalized homophobia.
spongebob fish voice HE WHAT?!
you know you're in for a wild ride when Marsha P Johnson is the comic relief
Then she hits a dab
The guy who played Marsha is a terrible actor. Every time he came on screen I cringed. So glad Marsha didn’t have to see that portrayal of her.
Yeah it's really hard to believe that he was the best guy for the role
Uhm, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but this comes off as you implying: "I'm thankful Marsha's dead so she doesn't have to see this.", and I hope that's not what you meant, you might wanna reword that. 😅
@@Hunter_VanderMatthews man you Know that's not what they meant, pls
@@flummoxedgiles I don't know what this person means because I'm not inside their head, honestly I try to have faith in Humanity but it just so happens so people want me to die for simply being born the way I am, so, ... you know, it's difficult, especially on the Internet because people tend to lose their filter behind the shield of their screens.
💙💖🤍💖💙
And I mean that's *literally* what they're saying: they're glad that she can't see it, and why can't she see it? She's dead. The phrase needs to stop being used like this, it's so apathetic, "I'm glad [Insert name of murder victim.] can't see this", *like what*? 😨
You can understand my point at least *slightly* can't you?
🖤♠️💜🤍
@@Hunter_VanderMatthews it's not "glad she can't see it" though. it's "glad she didn't have to." you can safely infer a wayyy different intent from that.
think of it this way, if she were still alive, the sentiment would likely be "i hope she hasn't and won't ever watch this movie"
as a non-american who only really heard about stonewall through memes about who threw the first brick, thank you for including info about the actual event at the start!
queer people missing important details because we're too busy talking about astrology, finally some representation for ME
completely unrelated to the video but i really do love how in all of these videos evasive always brings in little snacks for the various queer ppl being tortured for her content. i too would watch horrible films in exchange for something to chew on while i suffered
I don't know how you keep finding so many charismatic, hilarious people to be on your show but I applaud that very much.
the secret is to do stand up comedy at gay bars 🤫
At least we can safely say that this is the best movie about the Stonewall riots directed by the guy who made "10 000 BC"
video #3 of asking for “I made queer elders watch Rent(2005)”
It’s on my list 👀 the struggle with that one though is I won’t be able to use any of the music because of copyright
@@EvasiveOnehere’s the trick, have the queer elders dub over the scene in post production by singing
@@strawberryqueen0382 oh that would be great, have them sing the songs? that would be one way to get around copyright.
@@strawberryqueen0382 HAH! A wonderful suggestion! Or alternatively, get the queer elders all good and liquored up and they can sing along to the music while watching the film. If they're drunk enough, TH-cam's copyright system won't recognize their singing as singing at all! (Because technically speaking, covers are still a breaking of copyright, sadly. There is still every possibility of getting a copyright strike for covering a song.)
@@wakawakatakeover that’s also great but I fully suspect they’d have some..*opinions to have* about the singing scenes
How can you forget Emmerichs great historic masterpiece Anonymous. Where Shakespeare wasnt the author of any of his plays.
I completely forgot that movie existed 😮💨
@@EvasiveOne Just as well. Playing into classism and conspiracy theories. The latter, not unlike 2012.
Sometimes it's okay to be oblivious to the world, because then you (aka me) don't have to be aware that this movie exists
It’s impressive how this movie, even when filtered through the lens of this review/reaction video felt the most uncomfortable and cringe-inducing for me out of all of the movies that you covered before in this series.
Also make a video where you’re forcing gay men to watch Boat Trip (2002)
It’s on my list! 💖
The other movies were comedies, this movie is trying to be serious.
Yay, corporate queerness! 🎉
All my homies hate rainbow capitalism.
"I'm sorry that I get h**ny when people treat me right" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Iconic
Also, Evasive, the comic face for ShaykStarr is super fun and was a great addition
I haven't been this excited since Trina Vega won an Oscar in 2003
Why does finding out this was a passion project make me hate it more? Its like Ronald made up his own historical fanfiction self-insert and placed him inside the Stonewall riots and I hate it.
That is honestly the most perfect way to describe this movie. This seems like such a self insert fantasy in retrospect
his willingness to be ignorant and insisting that stonewall was a white event and that anyone who says otherwise is the ignorant party is SO insane 😭😭 like thats such blatant racism
I find it quite interesting that a movie about Stonewall trying to sell itself to straight audiences had scenes with queer characters trying teach each other how to blend in with the rest of the world. Might as well had the end credits soundtracked by Michael Jackson singing “Keep it in the closet.”
You do realize what year this film takes place in right?😂
@@Andrei-sg7lu My comment is more of a statement that maybe the director could’ve taken the lesson from the scenes in the script and maybe not tried to repeat all that and not placated the straight audience. But yeah I’m stupid and don’t know what year the movie took place!
I hate that inside a sh*tty offensive movie about Stonewall, Roland managed to showcase the plight of the fems so well. I credit that to the writer and actor, but like, where is our best character film!
I did NOT realize how recent this movie was, for some reason I thought it was from the early 2000's, it's too recent to make some of these choices lmao
It probably was written in the early 2000s and it took a long time to get the funding to film it
Using Marsha P. Johnson as comedic relief enrages me, says so much about this movie
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As a pansexual, i must say, first point AND ONLY of critique, THE TEA SIPPING WASN'T LOUD ENOUGH!
10/10 VIDEO, AIN'T NOBODY DOING IT LIKE EVASIVE
i feel like roland wanted to make gay titanic by putting fictional characters into an historical event but it doesnt hit well when the story is about a specific group of people (and their struggle). its like if someone made a movie about rosa parks and the main character was the person who sat next to her
Oh god, you're right.
its like if hairspray wasnt self aware and treated itself like it was the new wave of queer and black activism 😭😭
Feliz confusing Indiana and Kansas multiple times is so fucking funny
Unless you live in either, there's no substantive difference.
@@christopherb501 I’ve lived in Indiana and been to Kansas several times. There is no difference.
"Danny Winters" is such a default white guy name, it sounds like the name of a side character I'd have written aged 7 whose sister was called something like Emerald Ruby Quartz Winters the Third
I bet his dad’s from Resident Evil.
I was going to make a silly comment but I just genuinely love your videos. ❤ as a queer person, it’s hard to find content to connect with these days. Queer people discussing movies in an unserious way, that’s what I’m talking about. And you also got plenty of laughs from me. Thanks for making things like this!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it 💖
You'd probably enjoy Zzavid. His reaction videos are the best and so much fun
@@Regmuslima he’s one of my favorite channels!! I love him. ❤️ his videos are both comforting & hilarious 😂
Genuinely had to pause the video when I saw Danny with the brick and take some deep breaths.
This sure is a movie!
Ramona and Beezus?? Oh my gosh I haven't thought of that movie in forever. I bust out laughing hearing it. YES THAT'S WHERE I RECOGNIZE HER FROM THANK YOU!
I love Joey King but I hadn’t realized she was Ramona!
Another day when Auntie Evasive brings the queer kids round for snacks, chat and 90-120 minutes of uncomfort
The hours of avatar-rendering on Feliz was so worth it
Honestly, and this is strange to say, but props to the fucking Mafia for providing a safe place for LBGTQ youth. The world is so fucking weird.
They still abused the shit out of their LGBT patrons, reportedly keeping the bars in shit conditions and hiking up the prices of alcohol more than it was worth. The mafia broadly speaking did not respect queer people, they just offered a service and gays took it cause they had no other option
I get what you mean, but the mafia only created gay bars because queer people were easy to exploit. You can have a dingy, ratty place with overpriced watered-down alcohol in broken glasses because it's not like queer people have somewhere better to go, right? These bars were places to suck money out of vulnerable people sadly :(
I'm guessing from their perspective it was just 1. There was a lot of money in it 2. It pissed off the cops
@@randomusername1735 Eh whatever their motivation was, they did a good thing. It says so much about America that organized crime was more inclusive and accepting than the government lol.
Nah they still exploited the community hardcore
I've never teared up out of secondhand embarrassment before but this movie sure did it. Y'all made it bearable tho thank u for ur service 🫡
i don’t wanna be rude lmao but after watching this there is No Way that guy was the best audition for Marsha P Johnson
I'm starting a conspiracy around Evasive cuz I don't know how she contacts that much people for her videos
the trick is to do stand up comedy at gay bars
"-Where's James Charles when you need him?
-At the local elementary school 💀💀💀"
jfc i had to pause it for a second after the director said “stonewall was a white event” i think he is the only person that believes that
we are waiting for “queer women watch chasing amy”
It’s coming 💖
@@EvasiveOne YAY
@@EvasiveOneoh my god I’m so excited
I appreciate how you include historical context + I LOVE HOW THEY SUMMONED RAY 35:24 w/a callback bit excellent
Take a sip every time Evasive says, “Personally, I think we should just be grateful” 😂
"White ranger 💪👊 also white ranger 💪👊 and also white ranger" got me lmfaoo😂
Even the poster for this movie baffles me because it looks unreasonably happy for the subject matter. It reminds me of one of those fake AI-generated offensive Pixar movie posters like "Chernobyl" or "'Caust."
To take a movement mostly led by black trans women and then cast a white cis dude as the lead role is.. not unexpected but still pretty disappointing
Stonewall wasn’t a movement it was an event, and important event, but an event. The queer rights movement started years even decades before stonewall. Stonewall was a racial diverse event for sure, but that shouldn’t be conflated with the rest of the movement.
Most queer historians put the start of the gay liberation movement at Independence Hall in Philadelphia on July 4th, 1965, which was a point queer rights broke away from gay acceptance. Before that there were several large queer groups working towards gay acceptance. The majority of the figures before and after stonewall were white cis men and women. The reason? Money (white people had more money). There was also division in queer POC groups about whether they should focus on racial rights or queer rights (this also happened with women’s rights and it’s why white women are over represented in that movement).
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 although I was aware that the movement existed before stonewall, this really helped me understand it all better. Thank you for that
…I mean this with no offense but I love when you make your friends watch potential hate crimes
😭😂
Roland Emmerich has directed two movies about violent new York events and they're both terrible
(Godzilla 98 is the other one)
Something something two nickels
@@morbidsearch “If I had a nickel for every time Roland Emmerich directed a movie about New York events that were violent, I’d have two nickels which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice”
Hey just want you to know that your content has played a roll in helping me to deal with my bigotry. I use to be a raging Anti SJW saying all the dumb stuff like get woke go broke and called people horrible things like groomers and when ever there was a gay/trans or any minority represented in a movie I always thought it was part of a so called woke agenda. Anyway I have done alot of soul searching these past three years exposing myself to other types of people and trying to understand because before I was miserable and full of hate due to my ignorance but thankfully I am no longer that way and watching your videos and just seeing people from the LGBTQ community having fun,being funny while also hearing their perspectives on these films has really helped. So thank you
I love to hear that! redemption arcs are so nice I’m so happy I could help make that possible thank you for sharing 💖💖💖💖💖
Lmao. I remember when this came out. The trailer had so much backlash that it just kind of fizzled out. 😂 To be fair though, I’m an asexual woman who has limited knowledge of queer history. So reading the angry comments on that trailer gave me a lot of useful knowledge about an event that I didn’t know much about. So thanks Roland Emerch. 👍🏼
You should make gay people watch Q force! It was that gay animated show that was absolutely BOTCHED and MURDERED by netflix's marketing team. They marketed the show to straight people and made it look like a shallow animation made by straight people for straight people about what they THINK queer people are like, but the actual show is genuinely REALLY good. I'm so mad that the marketing was botched because the target audience turned away from it after the marketing stunt.
I’ll investigate 👀
@@EvasiveOne YES YES I hope it’s redeemed bc it was made by a queer cast of VA’s and writers and they all were just fucked over by Netflix 😭
Yeah, I actually watched it, and it was actually pretty good! :)
I remember hearing about this movie way back in high school in our gsa. We were all a bunch of teenagers who were still learning the history of Stonewall and I just remember the people in charge of the club ragging on the film when the trailer came out. Somehow this movie is worst than teenage me could've imagined
You know this is a bad movie when the original Quantum Leap, season 4, episode 12, “Running for Honor - June 11, 1964” did a better job explaining what Stonewall was, even if it was a very brief mention at the end.
I decided to watch this with my trans friend, and we were both disgusted by the portrayal of trans people and making it JUST about gay cis white man like come on, bro 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I have enjoyed every movie group youve had, but THIS panel right here is without a doubt the most entertaining group of all time. Bring them back for another movie!
Bring them back and make them play Celebrity but all the celebrities are only str8-famous 😂
"That's Ms. Trevor Project!" STOP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kind of blown away by ray’s performance. That shit has me in the TRENCHES rn….what the fuck
I literally never heard of this Stonewall movie, but holy shit it massively underperforming under its large budget is extremely funny.
"Where is James Charles when you need him?"
"At the local elementary school"
💀💀💀
It’s so nice to find this type of content. Thanks for existing and making art @evasive
the pure silence of that super gross scene, omg fuck this movie
Honest to god the biggest shock is that the man behind Independence Day is not a straight man. Like, if he’s not straight what even is life? Has anyone taken a closer look at Michael Bay? What else am I unaware of?
The lighting alone in this "movie" is literally neurodivergent-deterrant
It's dreadful
Yah this confirms that you will find anything to get this movie on in the most patheticway possible. Scenery lighting is now an issue? (And that's WHO'S fault really???) I wonder what will an issue in 3 to 4 years from now, or is it just active desperation to find wrongs where there are none when you're desperate to make someone hurt like you hurt.
@@WitchKing-Of-Angmarsomeone’s angry 🍼
@@myshirtisonbackwards62 Oh yah, ignore all the important things I just said to get your quick insult in there.
I really appreciate how you’re editing allows for the events to breathe. Nothing is overstated. Some TH-camrs would overplay certain events and hyperbolize. But you plainly state the facts and allow them to be as jarring as they actually would be. You had nothing up, because the story is already insane on its own. Please keep it up.
the "but this is the director of 10.000 bc" running joke had me in TEARS😭