Analyzing Good Map Design In Siege
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- I really like Rainbow Six Siege, and as someone who's somewhat interested in game design I thought I'd take a look at the maps in the game so I can find out just what a good Siege map looks like
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:24 Hard Breaches
2:04 Verticality
3:44 Areas Outside Site
5:42 Strong Points
7:40 Atmosphere
8:44 Conclusion
9:58 Outro
My monkey brain can't comprehend map design, but it also quite likes exploding walls so I agree with you about swiss chalet being the best
Same
You are indeed bad at comprehending map design. The Chalet map location is in France not Switzerland
The joke is that swiss chalet is a restaurant. He's not saying it's actually located in Switzerland
@@gahb4326 you are indeed STUPID 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 💀💀💀💀💀 _💀_
@@Minotaur4005 no its in switzerland
Aesthetically, the maps used to feel like I was raiding/defending an actual house, or an old theme park, etc. Now it just feels like I'm raiding/defending a multiplayer map.
also night maps strengthened the effect :(
Yeah, the maps play fine now sure but in terms of real life architecture they make no sense
Bank, Consulate, Border all feel like genuine military missions, attacking Nighthaven Labs feels like a Black Ops 3 map…
Newer maps just feel like a maze to me tbh. Like Consulate or Lair
Thank you I couldn't put my finger on it, but back at launch playing house at night felt amazing.
I get they don’t want maps to all feel the same but they should definitely look at why maps like Oregon, clubhouse, and chalet are considered the best maps. All the new maps are confusing and half the rooms are just put there to fill space and it either makes it too confusing or hard to roam clear the entire map
Lair is balls
I think a large part of why those are good maps that I failed to mention is just that the layout flows well. If you start at one staircase and start walking, you'll end up at another staircase rather quickly. Newer maps aren't so streamlined and there's a couple spots that just play with my mind
Nighthaven is one of the best maps on siege, just takes a minute to understand the layout
They definitely want maps to feel the same, thats why they reworked maps that didnt need to be like Consulate
That's not true, the Siege community are too stupid and lazy to actually learn maps. OGs and pros are able to play any map including Emerald Plains and Theme Park.
I think you really nailed the atmosphere aspect of maps. After 8 years of siege and playing from everywhere in gold to champion, one thing stays consistent, and it’s bans (at least after they were added)
The FEEL is more important than impact with both operator and map bans
People ban Jackal more than any other operator, despite the fact that several other attackers have a far greater impact on the game. Ying and Dok for example are arguably even stronger and also annoying, but nobody wants to be Jackal tracked because of the feeling. Kapkan’s ban rates have increased purely because he’s annoying.
Feeling is more important than impact
Balance ops❌
Ban them✅
Banning kapkan constantly ironically makes him more annoying because my teammates and I forget he exists sometimes. Of course, that’s on me, but I wish he didn’t get banned so often because I certainly hate when randoms will run into the traps and get both of us hurt even though I context pinged it and was attempting to shoot it out as Monty.
@@thegreatpapyrus2306this is exactly what I think, he's such a boring ban
Themepark is my favourite map especially the feel of it, idk why, but it could be cause it's one of the first maps I actually went out of my way to learn after its rework. Same with border.
I love getting tracked by Jackal... I use it as bait to get kills on rush heavy attackers
The feeling is very true. I ALWAYS lose on Kafe but I love playing it cause of how the map looks and the music lol
Same lol
The darkness part is so true, having an unnecessarily dark maps just totally kills the vibe
Night maps were fire tbh, which maps are dark for u?
@@gtiks7931probably he’s referring to lair
@@gtiks7931 might maps were great, I’m referring to something like Hereford where the whole inside is dark as hell
Very big disagree. Night maps were my introduction to this game and I always found them very cool. The overly dark thing never once applied to the interior, therefore defenders should simply not challenge outside windows or doors if they don't want to die in the first 60 seconds.
Bro you think THIS is dark?
I miss when maps had unconventional features that made them stand out. Stuff like nonconforming windows on old House or Chalet kitchen, or semi breachable walls that were on most old maps; hell even weird jank like Tower bomb site on old Oregon. New maps sometimes feel like they were made in a lab and the homogenization sucks. Great vid.
Never agreed with an r6 comment so much. You forgot plane as well! Ubisoft listening to the pros too much took away the character of the game tbh
@@justinmaxon12 listening to a tiny minority usually ends up alienating the majority
The maps are just amalgamations of rooms, the maps used to have inspiration and solid architectural design. Now they're just a bunch of rooms clumped together
That was back when feel, realism, and creativity were the focus over competitiveness. But corporate made them push esports hoping that would be higher revenue than being a fan favorite. Typical greedy myopic C suite story.
@@Fractured_Unitythe irony is that when corporations pick the “make as much money as possible route”, they end up making less money
Man this makes me so nostalgic for 2017 era seige.
I was expecting a variety of different types of comments, but I wasn't expecting to bring someone nostalgia. I'll take it lmao
I played mainly in that era, and now having a 2nd wind of feeling like playing the game. First day felt fresh, I was on point with everything, second day I got maps like theme park, which the old one I got somewhat used to, but the reworked one aint for me.
Also got introduced to reworked outback and consulate. Outback is just meh imo, almost felt like a maze, kinda took away it's previous charm.
@@DeViL11019 Yeah. And every time I've tried to get back into the game I've been too put off by the new characters and wacky cosmetics. I feel like the game jumped the shark with operation outbreak (which was cool at the time) and it's just been getting sillier from there.
i don't think i have played siege enough yet to really understand the fundamentals of map design in this game, but for me i generally feel like maps like chalet, bank or clubhouse are really intuitive and easy to understand, meanwhile for me maps like emerald plains or especially lair just feel like a mess of random hallways and same-looking rooms, that last one especially on lair
another thing, i really like the style of this video, it's really informative and easy to follow, like another person said i'd expect you to have a lot more views and subscribers, good job man)
That's a pretty understandable opinion. Emerald Plains and Lair are some of the newer maps, and it feels like Ubisoft is trying to make more competitive maps in the game to appeal to pro league instead of making them easy to memorize for new players like Chalet, Bank, or Clubhouse. This is odd because a lot of their other changes like the addition of the defender AI playlist caters much more towards newer players.
Glad to hear you liked the video, it means a lot to me. It took much longer than I would have liked to make, so videos moving forward will probably be of a similiar style (as I do like how it turned out) but have a little less clips required so it doesn't take a literal month to edit a 10 minute video
@Minotaur4005 probably true that they now more focus on the pro league for maps, just kinda sucks for newer or even more casual players (which i think take up a majority of the playerbase) since it'll take a lot more time for people to get used to them, but i can understand that approach as the pro scene in any game is very important for the game
and yeah, i think you can try to find some type of way to make this style of video take less time, but of course try not to fall into that trap of quantity over quality, but i think you got this man, no pressure. excited for the next upload)
@@sketched1462 I think out of all the things that could've been targeted towards pro league I'd prefer it wasn't the maps. Nighthaven is a great map on one hand, but on the other hand, Lair is the only map I haven't memorized yet. There was a whole extra minute of the script that was essentially me complaining about Lair but I decided to cut it because it didn't feel necessary and the video needed to be out sooner rather than later (this was around the 3 weeks mark).
I should be able to shorter production time a little while keeping quality, but that'll require some thinking ahead. I think you might have more confidence in me than I do lmao
@Minotaur4005 true aswell, i think the approach of focusing on pro league with maps works better for games like csgo or valorant due to their map designs, but with how complex siege is i can imagine simplicity is key
and that's normal, i'm working on a video myself on a different game, so from one to another, i know you got this, i'd say trust your gut and try not to overthink things)
and i know we basically only seen eachother over youtube comments lmao, but if you'd like any help with clips or anything like that i'd be ready to help)
@@sketched1462 I completely agree that simplicity is key. Oregon and Clubhouse haven't changed in a long time, and yet they've remained as some of the most popular maps in siege. The fact that you can go up one staircase and the map seemingly guides you to another is crazy.
I'll have to check your channel in a bit, you've gotten me curious now.
I might take you up on that offer, as the only dude I know who owns siege hates it, and it was like pulling teeth trying to get him online to help me record some clips. It took 20 minutes to record everything, but a week of convincing him to hop on.
One thing ubisoft has done the most is limit the amount of angles and long sightlines with cover. Everything is these claustrophobic corners and placement of indestructible objects that are clearly there to prevent a certain angle. The best use of this i could find is the gauges on the long stair hall in the chalet basement that lines the wall to stop an easy angle to hold for anyone there and forces a bit more of their body to peek out
I just want to say that for a 100 sub channel this video was fun to watch and it was well put together keep it up bro
Thank you :)
im sayin
Ubi really need more maps like chalet. I think the maps are what people mean when they want realism. Noone cares if the ops arent realistic as long as its scifi.
I hate lair and nighthaven because there way too big yet still defender sided somehow. I personally like villa as much as chalet but that was my 2nd ever season, so i was just starting to be competent. Also smaller maps works well for the short round time.
This is fantastic. I am studying game design at university and I want to focus on level design. I decided to get into siege very recently to see how developers design levels around seemingly complex systems, like a roster of 70 unique characters and gadgets, and destructible environments with objective based gameplay. It is very difficult to understand, even with it as my field of study, and you break it down fantastically. Thank you!
I honestly miss Secure Area in Ranked for that exact complaint about Villa. Secure Area was a mode that utilized every floor on a map and was just a nice change of pace from Bomb. People would dump on Secure Area and say it’s only for noobs or people who don’t want to think and just run in with no tactics. But what the hell has Bomb been for the last 4 or so years. Brain dead TDM. I remember playing Secure Area in ranked on PS4 for most of my Diamond seasons. But the reason Secure Area was so fun IMO was because it was to tell apart who is a team of rushing Lions, Finkas, Blitz, Ash’s, so on. VS who is a team that is actually tactical.
Sure you could just stack traps and wait for the push but that’s Bomb also. Secure Area meant that every part of a objective room is free ground to secure. As opposed to Bomb where there’s “Default plant spots” and angles, walls that are pushed every game. SA spiced things up, offered different line of thinking on how to defend a room that’s utterly non-defendable.
House, when it was ranked was a good example, you had to defend kids from outside because actually staying in that room was suicide. Or Villa Basement, you actually had to patrol basement and deny the Garage and Barrel pushes. Bomb also relies on person with diffuser not dying. When so many times I’ve had teammates run in with diffuser and die right away.
Secure Area let anyone clutch a game regardless of relying on plant. And man was there so many stand-off situations I’ve had in SA. Like the famous Laundry stairs on Oregon. At that point it was up to who had more balls to swing. Basically, Secure Area offered different game plans for each map, and actually utilized not so high traffic rooms. Instead of Bomb where only 1 maybe 2 sites are really good.
Rip Secure Area. Yes, there was casual but we all know that was tdm warm-ups for Bomb. I don’t even know if they still offer SA on the new maps.
Holy... i totally forgot about the oregon basement standoffs lmao... you would camp the stairs for like a minute or two and wait for the other guy to peek.. the memories
Removal of secure area is honestly a change that had a huge negative impact for me but nobody talks about it. Thanks for outlining what made it so good. I firmly believe eSports ruined what made siege fun. Maps feel the same, and the need for perfect competition could be achieved through operator balancing rather than massive, boring, cookie cutter maps
This was so well said, SA was so good man. The standoffs too were so intense. I’ve lost so many games because a random just decide to donate the bomb to the defense
Clubhouse, Oregon, and Chalet are probably my current top 3. For back in the casual however I loved plane lol. Man that one event that was like toy theme with Mr bear and stuff was my life
Rainbow is magic 🪄 🌈
I'm a plane enjoyer myself, but haven't seen that map in some time
This is honestly a pretty good and informational video that i would expect to have more than 60 views and come from a channel with thousands of subscribers. Good work, and good luck on future videos.
Thank you very much, this means a lot to me :)
nailed this one blud@@Minotaur4005
I really liked this Video. Not only bc you perfectly explained what everyone is feeling but doesnt exactly know why, but also the style of the video is pretty amazing. All the different shots look great and the way you sometimes look at the "camera" just feels very nice.
You did a good job on articulating on what makes a good map while briefly explaining game design decisions that affects it.
Very good video 👍
Hey dude! What a lovely video, I know how much effort it is going into match replay to get those freecam shots. And your use of top down views, first person, freecam, etc was just perfect! Really good job and I loved this analyzation. Looking forward to more!!
incredibly well made video, honestly. you can tell how much time went into it and it perfectly articulates a lot of the gripes i have with the map design. the newer maps genuinely feel like oversized mazes, just chores to navigate and painful to play on. only 1.1k subs is crazy.
Wow, I watched only 2 mins of video and can already say, that montage is amazing! Not just random gameplay or running around map, but many views from different angles. Well done, wanna watch full video later
All these points you made are very interesting and how I might never have thought about map design so much, it makes sense
This was super interesting! Chalet has always been my favourite and I always thought it was because of the atmosphere, but after considering how attacking/defending actually work, I can say that I love this map because it's well designed.
I think my overall map ranking probably looks similiar to yours as well. I tend to prefer being able to outthink the enemy as opposed to taking gunfights that I have a fifty-fifty shot of winning - which is why I play Seige and not COD.
I didn't really grow up with shooters, so my gun skill is crap. I much prefer making a good setup work rather than throwing myself at the sound of gunfire
This video is great! It’s genuinely interesting and really fun. You deserve way more traction! 🙏🙏
This was a solid video, informative, well thought out and put together. Well done sir.
The footage gathering and editing definitely took a long time. This video is high quality; keep up the content!
it took about a month, but don't worry, the next video shouldn't take as long to make
underrated channel, really like the indepth analysis
Extremely well done video, very educational that was condensed to a not too long and a boring video. IMO could have been longer because I got hooked and was very immersed in the video. But all in all a very good analysis.
I really like your style of videos. informational/ideological, but with funny 3rd person views. The top-down spectator view was very nice too
This was such a nice and calm video! You have earned a new subscriber
Man this was such a good video you've definietly dearned a sub! When I started watching this I thought this was from a youtuber with over 100k subs like no joke. I think that Chalet is an example of a timeless map that constantly is improved upon, you should told do a video on the design of it in depth and kinda glaze tf out of it. Thanks pookie.
I haven't kept up with Siege in a while
this helps me get familiar with how literally everything in this game is played again
pretty informative, good video 👍👍
This video has the quality of someone with 100,000 subs this channel is so underrated I hope you go viral someday bro you deserve it
Thanks lol, it'll be a very long while before I get to 100k I think
i find that border is another example of a good map, it uses breaches, soft floors, and good rotates. easily one of my favourite maps. also, clubhouse sucks, its just two hallways with some rooms sprinkled in, its a pain for both sides
hey, i just found your channel and you deserve more subs. Keep up the good work man
Genuinely thought this was a video from a huge TH-camr until I saw you didn't even have 1000 subs. Extremely underrated!!
As someone who does tend to like new maps, I agree with your assessment overall. More maps need to be designed like Chalet. Oregon and Club do get stale but Chalet it always feels like something is going on.
Labs I think has a very good competitive layout but it is upset by the very dull grey walls and atmosphere and poor readability. Plains has quite clean visibility but a wacky layout.
Lair is… well it definitely feels like an evil villain’s lair. But that doesn’t mean it’s fun to play on. It’s got such weird tones from the dark 2f to clean basement. Unclear paths and strange room placement. I like window and rappel fights and Lair doesn’t provide that either. Outdoor Breaching comes from 1 wall for the 2F site despite that site being very defender-sided making attacking annoying. It’s a cool map and concept but it just doesn’t work for Siege.
Out of all the "new" maps I actually like Labs quite a bit, I just don't like the unrealistic and almost sci fi nature of it.
I like Lair's 2f site, and both 1f sites, but everything connection them is confusing for me to traverse because it's just so large. I'm also not a fan of Deimos turning into a cliche villain with a knock off batcave, so I'm going to be biased whether I want to be or not.
Such a good video! Keep making content I love this
i really liked this video, although i think that coast does have more variability then most people think,i agree with everything else. i hope you keep pushing out content bro
love this type of video style keep it up
Chalet has such a cozy feel. Good think piece on maps. I happen to enjoy most maps now that I have knowledge of what to do on most of them, but I understand why ranked players don't like the cramped dark maps like Favela. But I really enjoy those maps for what they are, catered towards casuals
just a awesome video!!!! pls make more of what your doing
Great video my guy, keep up the hard work :)
First off, great video! You did well, and i enjoyed watching it.
I agree on Chalet being my favourite map, although not perfect in my opinion because I personally despise garage breach. I also think the idea that the aesthetics of the map matters so much is an interesting one. I always see people on youtube complain about the removal of old lightning and such but to me the gameplay reasons for the changes are always what stuck out more and im thankful for them. I suppose ultimately, this visual aspect is simply something that has never mattered to me.
This is interesting to me though because i am one of those few people who actually like Emerald Plains a lot, I feel they wanted to make something in the spirit of coastline and it was an absolute success. But obviously that is not a popular opinion and i have always wondered if me and my stack are just crazy or if someone liking coastline but not EP was just irrational. I had never considered that the visuals might be subconsciously making a huge difference.
PS I looove that outside wall on New Consulate and use it all the time attacking garage. You suggest that its redundant because there are already other ways to get down into servers. But outside wall allows you to get into servers without needing to enter the building and risk dying to someone holding lobby, plus not requiring a drop which is what a lot of defenders tend to listen for thus giving a decent chance of you being able to just sneak in. And even if you were going to have someone pushing those hatches, it gives you a way to have someone flank and make defending servers that much harder.
Amazing video! Thanks for your insight
When Contest matches were in ranked I loved to attack and defend the villa basement. You've got a lot of options to enter the site breaching.
villa basement was different!!
Something that I really enjoy about emerald plains is the decoration and detail. It’s fun getting creative with gadget placement. That paired with good information/cams can win easy rounds. I do agree about the highways with the shades
Really great informative video, you gained a sub!
what an amazing vid bro keep it up !!
That was really interesting and well made
4:46 i didnt even know this spot existed....
The more you know
This was amazing, you earned a sub
3:17 small correction: only one of them being accessible without a soft* breach
the barrels can be breached with any soft breach, a hard breach isn't required
Otherwise this is a cool analysis, I personally don't agree with a good amount of opinions you have but that's what opinions are for. I definitely enjoyed watching this and it gave me another perspective towards maps and how i will observe them in the future.
Great vid. Keep it up!
love this vid man!
This is my hot take, ubisoft should make a sandbox mode where you can design a map. (Similar to forge in halo)
I'd be on that 24/7 lmao
I agree with MOST of these, but I gotta add that Favela was one of my favourite maps, especially back when there was a night mode. I just loved the fireworks around the Jesus statue, and the fact that you could see the rest of the favela around, which made it feel bigger than it actually was. I love Chalet, but it's missing that aspect of freedom. I like being able to think to myself "Hey, if I was here in real life, I could just leave". Same reason I like Skyscraper - you're in the middle of a city, all you'd have to do is go down the stairs and go to the closest McDonald's and get a BigMac
This video is so well made
Incredible Video, keep it up
Amazing video! Although, got a quick suggestion… you should add background music to the video to add more ambiance.
You just explained to me why Chalet is my favourite map!
I never knew why I liked it so much more than many other maps and didnt realise it comes down to the map design itself
Great video and would love to see more like this!
i recall villa being called the most balanced map by the pros back when it released, still love it to this date
Theory comes easy to me in siege and I'm loving the game. I am a big thinker and I loved spending tens of hours just roaming around in custom and setting up and learning perspective from all the angles.
would love to see more in depth map analysis of siege and other games like cs 👍
The car garage on Chalet can also be used as a runout spot on people rapelling outside multiple windows in master bedroom, so even thats not wasted space
Very charming and knowledgeable. Keep it up good sir
I think this is pretty good. I wish you mentioned Lair. I feel like it has the safe defender spots, but it lacks those breachable walls into objective. One of the 1st floor sites has a great attack wall, but defenders never pick it. 2nd floor has an outer wall, but 2 windows look into it, and one window you can't even put an OSA shield, so it's literally a death trap if defenders figure that out. Lab has one decent attack wall into connector, but it would be better if it was directly into a site for planting.
Lair was in my original script, but I cut it out due to the fact that I had been working on the video for a month at this point and just wanted to get it out. It was essentially just a rant that had little point to it so I didn't feel bad about cutting it.
So the window part at the Liar top floor breach is quite an easy one to deal with, you have nothing to worry about if you take Sky bridge. It at same time opens up the opportunity to open up the wall into R6 room so you can set up a pinch into the site
@@rubanyan if defenders use the windows, you die...
@@grovePS3 that's why you take Sky bridge. It only takes one person, heck 2 claymores at both stairways would do
@@rubanyan oh, you're a bronze. Okay
This is really good man.
I think Kafe is such a beautiful map, the gold details, the classic paintings, the rappel gameplays that now replace the Consulate.And Outback I really love Outback,I'm from Brazil and here we love a gunfight
Well done!! I have to agree
Petition for every siege map to have a basement/garage with a breachable wall on the outside. These are the most fun sites imo.
Completely agree. Was kind of scared for the consulate rework, that basement site was one of my favourites of any map
You deserve success keep at it
Actually great video, im impressed
Thank you :)
Really solid vid. I agree with most of the points made as well, except... coastline *does* have breaches, several ones at that (90 breach to hookah, main breach to kitchen, vip breach to bedroom). I get that, to reach these, you have to expose yourself to several angles, but you can just clear/hold them with a teammate.
All of the breaches you just mentioned are unnecessary to successfully attack Coast
Cool video man
Lair and nighthaven are such good maps though. And imo they look pretty great.
great video❤
I agree in almost everything, but the points you made to say Theme Park looks wrong is why I like it- because it looks like a real abandoned place and there are so many nooks and crannies to execute shenanigangs (except the bathroom, that yes, makes no sense, but it's not worse than the bathroom in Presidential Plane that is completely empty)
Great, well made video 👍
Good Video, I agree with what you said.
Great vid
tbh, I haven’t gotten to play theme park yet, but everything you described about its atmosphere sounds great to me lol. It sounds similar to how Favela makes me feel: paranoid and like I shouldn’t be there. Not criticizing, just find it funny how subjective atmosphere can be.
(cool video btw👍)
This is great! I have my best games on Chalet I just realized that.
Shout out thatcher
Great video
This is a really well made video. Personally as someone whose played this game since year 1 I feel like a lot of the new maps lack character and my main gripe with them is they have built in cover and half walls that are made of metal or stone. It just feels like lazy design. Idk when I’m playing the OG maps a lot of rooms have less cover and allow for more interesting gunfights and dynamics
Older maps feel more like actual places while newer maps feel like game maps (which they are, but it doesn't feel as neat)
I think a good map that was never really understood is fortress. It has all the points you made in the video, think about it.
In general i don’t like maps with too much “objects” inside. Like i find emerald too “messy”. The best maps are very linear , the rooms are pretty clear. For example Oregon is very “plan and simple” but that’s why i find it more attractive and intuitive.
Great video, love to see content like this! You nailed it.
I never really liked fortress, but for the sole reason that I was bad at it
I love this video. But you should REALLY put very quiet music in the background. Just choose one off of the youtube one in the editor. It would really help IMO
Hot take
Coastline Border Villa were the best dlc maps that ubisoft had added to siege. Coastline and border are the perfect summary of taking gunfights and breach game play in a condensed package. Villa while not being vertical game play friendly still allows you to Come up with good strategies for clearing map and opening lines of sight into the objective. From Base game Oregon and chalet and Clubhouse are the best for ranked
Villa is almost great. Kitchen needs to have soft floors/ceilings. I hate attacking on that site.
Did you really just say breaching on Coastline is a thing...😮 There is not a single site on Coastline where breaching a wall is your win condition. Coastline is like said all about who gets the kills
@rubanyan you can take vertical on coastline easy you play breaches on second floor from vip and penthouse idk what you mean. One default take is opening vip wall and playing off there as an example. You gotta play more and find better strats
@@rubanyan sure coastline isn't a big breach based map but you can utilize it just like any other map.
@@MistaahWhitee I am saying that there isnt a point in breaching on Coast, yes you can utilize it but it hardly ever wins you the round
Nice video ❤️
please do make more videos like these
The (lack of) vertical play on Villa you mentioned is one reason why I really don’t like that map. The two best (or at least most common) sites are on the top floor, there’s not much vertical play as you mentioned, and not a lot of flank opportunities for roamers form the floor below. My friend group that plays Siege says Villa has 1.5 floors. It leads to the map being very repetitive and every round feeling the same.
That’s something you didn’t mention, at least directly, variety, although a map having some of these qualities leads to more variety between rounds.
you deserve more subs!
I like coastline because of penthouse site and kitchen site both are in my opinion some of the best sites in the game
I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong about Theme, but as a Theme lover I'll tell you why I enjoy it.
first off, the aesthetic and the darkness. I love Theme since its one of the most consistent and really makes sense within it's own world. Its an abandoned theme park where a gang as decided to hold up and make drugs. No room betrays that story. For the darkness, it makes sense with that story; though more importantly it's for gameplay. Siege maps need a certain level of clutter or general noise to actually hide drones and valk cams. Making stark maps is how you get the stadium maps where its basically impossible to set up a preplaced anywhere.
I will admit the 2 bottom sites arent great design wise. Throne is way too tough to attack and would greatly benifit from some Throne side vertical. Drug/lab is basically the exact opposite.
The top 2 sites though.... Those are near masterpieces. No other pair of sites feel so enjoyable to set up extensions on, Villa could never. The defender movement just feels so nice, moving from arcade in to cafe hall in to the rotate in to daycare where you can hold cafe door and yellow stairs with some headholes and when you get flushed out you have the choice of falling back though either the Office or Shrine rotate is just soooo nice. It's also THE best teaching tool about extensions for new to comp players, mainly due to both sites' set ups being mirrors of each other. You teach 2 halves of each set up, mash them together, and just who ever is roaming is the ones responsible for setting up the other site as an extension.
I will say there is some issues with the top floor. not all map design though. I believe its too hard to get out of cafe and in to the rest of the map as an attacker and attacking cash is really tough. I'd replace either cash door or dragon window with a breach. I'm not too sure about Cafe side
I think you missed a huge point being creativity with drones/cameras. You lightly touched on it when talking about chalet, but being able to set up drones that reward creative or smart players is huge on attack and a lot of maps implement a mini drone parkour game. This is one of the things I find most impressive when I'm looking at a map because you have to make them seem natural from the defender perspective and opportune from the attacker side. There's so many spots where cameras can be placed and they had to think about that. A very small detail I love is places drones can hide that defenders can actually destroy. The raised plants can be shot by a defender, but if it's not a drone could be placed there and it's both vertically hidden from the defender's sight as well as having the plant cover the drone as well. The same goes for many shelves, other plants, speakers, and basically any small destructible object.
I feel SO different about most maps, I love Oregon, Coastline, Kanal, Emerald Plains, Chalet, And Lair. To me they all offer a unique experience with different tactics, without it feeling overwhelming. I specifically dislike Bank in Particular, as there are many big open rooms, like office and main entrance, and breakable walls and hatches EVERYWHERE. I get how it gives Attackers a lot of options, but I feel like it may be too much…. Attacking on the map feels good, as you can change plans, breach walls, and just cause mayhem… But as a defender, it feels like you can never prepare enough, especially on 2F, the amount of windows, doors and breakable walls, make the experience terrible. No matter which side they push, they have or can create about 3-4 different angles on site, from 1 direction. Choke points make a map flow, hence I like Oregon so much, it feels like there is enough creativity for attackers while balancing it out with choke points that require to take the gun fight. Bank is the ONLY map I have never played an enjoyable match on, whether I win or lose, it just feels weird. For me Kafe is similar that way, but only for 3F, I actually really enjoy the other sites.
Personally my favorite maps are Kafe, Bank, and Chalet and no other map really comes close
I'm a cafe hater, but I understand the others
I see you are a fan of big halls, is that correct?
@@Lil_Makarov7 Never thought about it but I guess I do. I like the bright, open atmosphere
As someone who doesn’t have a lot of hours in siege, one of the main things that bothers me about newer maps is that they are uselessly big and all the rooms look the same. Hard to tell where I am when I’m in a maze of 12 identical rooms. It’s very easy to tell rooms apart in other maps since the important ones have distinct features or a distinct color scheme
i count 9 spots on that Theme Park frame, and another to the hard right behind the staircase wall where there could be a rotate hole, and another behind you where there could be a rotate hole
Crazy that this doesn’t even have 1k views