This coda is exactly what Aristotle meant by giving the definition of ancient greek tragedy: the end of the play (the symphony, here) provides the audience with the feeling of what he called "catharsis", the feeling of justification, because what happened at the end was the right thing to happen.
@@paulbrower4265 thanks for your comment. I would like to clarify that with the term "tragedy" I neither refer to the somewhat modern meaning (failure, catastrophe) nor to an event filled with dire circumstances. I rather stick to the original definition of "tragedy", from which we can draw the conclusion that the heroes have their ups and downs, not always "slapped" by their destiny. E.g Antigone (Sophocles) ends with three suicides, if I am not mistaken, but on the other hand Helen (Euripides) ends with the couple reuniting against all odds, leading to transcendence. Just draw the same analogy to this symphony. "Tragedy" can be a broad term. I am Greek, we were taught those at school
Bruckner isn't only music, he creates an absolutely different experience something like a superior state of mind coming close to a religious stasis not human, but spiritual.
A good way to describe his music. Oddly, when I travelled to Vienna by train via Munich - Salzburg - Linz I had a strong feeling that you needed to have been in that area to understand where Bruckner's music comes from.
Every musician on that stage knew it was a privilege to perform Bruckner under Gunter Wand, as did every other orchestra he performed Bruckner with. My first Trombone teacher played under Wand at the BBC Symphony regularly and he was effusive about Wand, he was rarely effusive about anyone.
As much as I love Mahler, I love Bruckner too. I grew up listening to his 4th and 7th but as I got older I gravitated more to the 5th and 8th. I just love this ending, the way the violins have this sneaky motivic thing going under the long notes of the brass and then the eruption of sound. I can see this on the organ and pulling out all the stops. I listen to this over and over. I love the slow movement with its 2 note theme, just amazing. What can I say, I love them both in different ways.
Why do people call Mahler the father of epic music, when this finale is the most epic thing to probably ever come out of the classical symphonic repertoire?
Played with various soloists from the Munich Phil (trumpet, FHorn) under Celibidache. For them, rehearsals of Bruckner were really hard work. But for me, Celi was and is the reference.
Mi experiencia con Bruckner comenzó con la 4a y después la 7a. Ya con los años la 5a y la 8a. Escuché a Celi interpretando la 8a en París, en la Salle Pleyel (el concierto que más me ha impactado) y en Madrid. Inmensas sinfonías.
There’s certainly a spiritual dimension to his music, He was of course a church organist, wrote some beautiful sacred music (eg his three masses, the glorious Te Deum, and his motets) and was a devout Christian. Bruno Walter said that Mahler was searching for God, but Bruckner knew God!
@@mikeanndavis Thank-you so much to your inspirational and fabulous comments You are right I'm a Japanese Brucknerian Bruckner invigorates the human spirit , and immeasurable , unfathomable and beyond description , and is full of admiration , acclaim , tribute and deep emotion . By the way In Tokyo people are hustle and business of the increasing infected people and heat stroke and humidity and Olympics and vaccination Someday please come to Japan of spring of cherry blossom in full bloom Take care of yourself Good luck ！
I've always admired the final three notes of this coda. Bruckner took a creative risk by not ending on a semibreve or long note. Wand draws it out a bit here but it's simply a crotchet. Reminds me of Sibelius' even bolder move (but informed by earlier works such as this) at the end of his 5th.
@magicwheel1 Great perception - thanks. This coda recalls a little the ‘through the star-gate’ coda of the 4th. To my mind’s eye that fourth movement has three centres: the King, his generous-hearted and care-taking queen, and a sorcerer - who finally leads them to the beyond…….
Listening to Bruckner's symphonies Wand conducts , our souls are polished , and we can step into the way arriving at the spiritual enlightenment . From Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
Of all of the Bruckner Symphonies , I believe That This Is The one That Mahler wished He Had Composed !! I Can hear Gustav saying , " Okay Anton , I've Got to give you your props . You Beat Me To That One !!!..."
Heard NDR & and so often in the 90s. Best EVER concert was the 8th actually in 2000 in the old Hamburg Concert Hall. Went with my dad and we both left after the end speechless. Couldn't talk to each other for 5 to 10 minutes, the music reverberating still in us. Priceless. I got a recording of the very concert from The NDR, back then you could request a CD of concert and they'd send it to you. Good times.
Bruckner is a great Alchemist of the human soul The comfort of Bruckner’s symphonies is off the charts Bruckner’s symphony is the acme of the symphony, and unfathomable, and comfortable to the ear and the mind From Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
Holy shit! How did the audience not burst into immediate applause after that!?? Although I *hate* the guy at concerts who always shouts "bravo" immediately before the piece is even finished, I was fully expecting an immediate eruption of applause after such a monumental version of this finale..
I played on the stage in this performance 2nd wagner tuba. After the last chord was everything quiet for 16 seconds long! And not only here, always, if we played any Bruckner with him, it was the same situation! Here is the original version: th-cam.com/video/-pzTLk-thrQ/w-d-xo.html
Nope, it's almost customary at the end of works like this to pause some time before applauding. I mean, hopefully it's a moment of genuine silent awe, but there's an element of custom and not wanting to be that doofus that you mention.
Awesome is one of the words which could be used to describe this. The fact this has had only 180,000 views in the 5 years it has been on TH-cam says a lot about the sad state of our world.
esta música sublime y poderosa nos conduce a lo más profundo del Alma, del universo y a Dios, sólo los más grandes compositores sinfónicos han alcanzado esta proeza...Bruckner, Mahler, Scriabin.... Sobre Bruckner me gustaría decir que yo personalmente hubiera acabado su novena sinfonía añadiendo una Coda poderosa , larga y sublime apoyándome en una gran sección de viento metal , así la sinfonía quedaría completa y elevaría más la emoción del público en los conciertos .Es mi modesta opinión.
In the 8th I saw in Hamburg with him (I'm aditionto many other occasions such as actually this very one here) at the end I remember a moment where GW wiggled a finger at the trombones- and their sound rose up, insane. Unforgetable.
Recipe for clarity: Set aside 90 minutes undisturbed, add 7 oz of Brandy, a 90 minute cigar, and Wand conducting the entirety of Bruckner 8. At the end, all will be clear.
0:50-1:25 sounds like Parsifal Finale, but then again the Wagnerian influence is a commonality. Great piece a music, though a bit flat. I’m really enjoying just discovering Bruckner now. :)
Perfect tempo. Some versions are way too slow. I say Amen to the Wagner Tuben. They were well-miked and in great four-part harmony, better than trombones could do.
@@JeanPaul-Hol65 I agree. My favorite version is Celibidache's, who takes the coda at about the same pace. My comment related to "some versions are way too slow". I don't know a slower version than Wand/Celi. Most conductors - even the greatest Bruckner conductors such as Giulini or Jochum - tend to rush a bit through this most glorious ending.
You are close than you think: He broke his arm in 2002 and couldn't conduct an ymor,e being 90 years old - and died shortly after. I am convinced to this day that the conducting kept him going. At later concerts he had a chair behind him and sat down occasionally yet conducted frequently without score. Thee was a stand but that only had another baton in case he lost his.
“To him, time is different than it is to other composers. To a normal man, time is what comes after the beginning. To Bruckner, time is what comes after the end."
0:00 - 1:25 it kinda sounds like what you would hear in a world war 1/ world war 2 movie when something bad is gonna happen EDIT: not trying to be rude or controversial!!!
I listen to it, over and over again! I think I know why Günter Wand was the best Bruckner interpretor in my opinion. It is because both of them have been humble and modest persons. Bruckner is nothing for flamboyant cocks, that is for sure.
@@stephenjablonsky1941 I'm going to have to disagree with you, but I don't think a discussion between a Haydn and a Bruckner enthusiast would end well, so we'd probably end this here. I respect your opinion, and acknowledge that Haydn has composed some good music, but that's about it
@@felixpacher98 Bruckner fans tend to be very enthusiastic but totally wrong. Bruckner was the master of the musical non sequitur, but not much else. There are moments in his music that are quite affecting but the total structures fail dismally...and that's all I am going to say. End of story.
It's excerpts like these that help people get into new symphonies and new composers
so true. and if you can't find a good recording at a price you can afford, you have youtube videos. now that is a huge impmrovement over the past
I'm a bit reluctant to expose friends who are unfamiliar with AB to a symphony that lasts for 1 - 1 1/2 hours. I usually offer the no. 4 Scherzo.
I came here from trombone training meme
I suggest for you to listen the whole symphony. One of the best
Freccia rossa TRENO
Me too
interesting how that works
Same
This coda is exactly what Aristotle meant by giving the definition of ancient greek tragedy: the end of the play (the symphony, here) provides the audience with the feeling of what he called "catharsis", the feeling of justification, because what happened at the end was the right thing to happen.
But I hear no tragedy; I hear instead transcendence.
@@paulbrower4265 thanks for your comment. I would like to clarify that with the term "tragedy" I neither refer to the somewhat modern meaning (failure, catastrophe) nor to an event filled with dire circumstances. I rather stick to the original definition of "tragedy", from which we can draw the conclusion that the heroes have their ups and downs, not always "slapped" by their destiny. E.g Antigone (Sophocles) ends with three suicides, if I am not mistaken, but on the other hand Helen (Euripides) ends with the couple reuniting against all odds, leading to transcendence. Just draw the same analogy to this symphony. "Tragedy" can be a broad term. I am Greek, we were taught those at school
@@MaRio-cd2vv Italian, here, taught the same, at school and beyond, :)
@@MaRio-cd2vv thank you for the explanation!
I never thought of it that way before, but that's exactly what I feel at the end of this symphony. For me it's an intense emotional experience.
Director looks like he was at the premiere of this work
Gunter Wand (1912-2002) was born sixteen years after Bruckner died.
What a nasty remark. What have you done since you were born?
@@grangetowncardiff6935 Not a lot. I'm not saying that he's inferior to me in any way. .
2:22 I wasn't expecting to see Prokofiev himself playing Bruckner, lol
Bruckner isn't only music, he creates an absolutely different experience something like a superior state of mind coming close to a religious stasis not human, but spiritual.
I totally agree! 👍
Exactly ! And Mr Wand is a genius
i view his symphonies as arcitectural works
stasis ?
*Nirvana*
The best I can do in describing Bruckner is that he creates soundscapes.
His symphonic music especially, create such interesting, majestic worlds the audience gets invited in
I would describe it as creating space.
A good way to describe his music. Oddly, when I travelled to Vienna by train via Munich - Salzburg - Linz I had a strong feeling that you needed to have been in that area to understand where Bruckner's music comes from.
It's architectural as opposed to narrative.
Your description is PERFECT!
Every musician on that stage knew it was a privilege to perform Bruckner under Gunter Wand, as did every other orchestra he performed Bruckner with. My first Trombone teacher played under Wand at the BBC Symphony regularly and he was effusive about Wand, he was rarely effusive about anyone.
I feel privileged having had the chance to experience Bruckner by Wand with NDR Symphonieorchester back in the 90ies.
Too bad Bruckner didn’t use more brass.
hahaha
lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! There goes my morning coffee all over the keyboard.
Bruckner is the only reason why Orchestras have to hire trombonists and tubists 😬😬...
Lmaoooooo
This symphony that invigorates my tired spirit is beyond description , immeasurable , unfathomable and incomparable
As much as I love Mahler, I love Bruckner too. I grew up listening to his 4th and 7th but as I got older I gravitated more to the 5th and 8th. I just love this ending, the way the violins have this sneaky motivic thing going under the long notes of the brass and then the eruption of sound. I can see this on the organ and pulling out all the stops. I listen to this over and over. I love the slow movement with its 2 note theme, just amazing. What can I say, I love them both in different ways.
Name bias.. humble brag.
Why do people call Mahler the father of epic music, when this finale is the most epic thing to probably ever come out of the classical symphonic repertoire?
Played with various soloists from the Munich Phil (trumpet, FHorn) under Celibidache. For them, rehearsals of Bruckner were really hard work. But for me, Celi was and is the reference.
@@jadonharper1493 because they forget Bruckner was Mahler's teacher, and Mahler was a huge admirer of his :)
Mi experiencia con Bruckner comenzó con la 4a y después la 7a. Ya con los años la 5a y la 8a. Escuché a Celi interpretando la 8a en París, en la Salle Pleyel (el concierto que más me ha impactado) y en Madrid. Inmensas sinfonías.
Bruckner is the great gift of God
There is something extraordinary in this performance
There’s certainly a spiritual dimension to his music, He was of course a church organist, wrote some beautiful sacred music (eg his three masses, the glorious Te Deum, and his motets) and was a devout Christian. Bruno Walter said that Mahler was searching for God, but Bruckner knew God!
@@mikeanndavis
Thank-you so much to your inspirational and fabulous comments
You are right
I'm a Japanese Brucknerian
Bruckner invigorates the human spirit , and immeasurable , unfathomable and beyond description , and is full of admiration , acclaim , tribute and deep emotion .
By the way
In Tokyo
people are hustle and business of the increasing infected people and heat stroke and humidity and Olympics and vaccination
Someday please come to Japan of spring of cherry blossom in full bloom
Take care of yourself
Good luck ！
I heard him conduct the Schubert 9th in Chicago and will never forget the profound greatness of that performance.
Yes. Wand is a great Bruckner conductor, but I adore him even more as a Schubert conductor.
I've always admired the final three notes of this coda. Bruckner took a creative risk by not ending on a semibreve or long note. Wand draws it out a bit here but it's simply a crotchet. Reminds me of Sibelius' even bolder move (but informed by earlier works such as this) at the end of his 5th.
Sibelius is well known for having troubles with his endings if I recall correctly. the 5th is case in point, it's weird, but I love it
@@ciupenhauer
Is it not mythologically descriptive? The seven hammer blows of Thor?
@magicwheel1
Great perception - thanks.
This coda recalls a little the ‘through the star-gate’ coda of the 4th.
To my mind’s eye that fourth movement has three centres: the King, his generous-hearted and care-taking queen, and a sorcerer - who finally leads them to the beyond…….
@@ciupenhauer Apparently one overenthusiastic concert goer cheered after every one of the chords that end Sibelius 5!
@@jimthorne304 haaahahahahaha brilliant
Listening to Bruckner's symphonies Wand conducts ,
our souls are polished , and we can step into the way arriving at the spiritual enlightenment .
From
Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
Of all of the Bruckner Symphonies , I believe That This Is The one That Mahler wished He Had Composed !! I Can hear Gustav saying , " Okay Anton , I've Got to give you your props . You Beat Me To That One !!!..."
Heard NDR & and so often in the 90s. Best EVER concert was the 8th actually in 2000 in the old Hamburg Concert Hall. Went with my dad and we both left after the end speechless. Couldn't talk to each other for 5 to 10 minutes, the music reverberating still in us. Priceless. I got a recording of the very concert from The NDR, back then you could request a CD of concert and they'd send it to you. Good times.
How strange, I was scrolling through you tube and just fancied to fill my ears with this..
I love how listening to Bruckner always motivates me to write music, and ultimately fail every time and get angry😂
Writing music is never a failure. Like my own, it might not be good, but it isn't failure.
- How many horn players are needed to play this?
- Yes!
I don't know how ascending to heaven would sound like (and i think i won't experience it), but this... this can't be far from the real thing.
I've seen it suggested that the latest Philipps completion of no. 9 represents the gates of Heaven opening.
I like Wand as Bruckner conductor. I adore him as Schubert conductor.
I feel God!What a Sacred music!
The brass is so dramatic and inspiring.
That voice leading at 2:11 is just awesome.
1:00 Die tuben!! Mein gott! Die tuben!!
The most serious looking musicians I've ever seen. I am afraid to question them.
Brutal horns sound !!!!!
Words will never suffice here.
I think Gunter Wand must be regardet among the 2/3 best Bruckner recordings. The brass sounds very gloryus in this recording. Tank You gtsenov..
Legend, Masterwork Bruckner , thanks Wand
A true master at work👍
In this performance,
all is far superior splendor,
Bruckner’s symphonies soothe my soul
Made me smile to watch these guys and to think they even thought to do this :)
Look up Celibidachs's last moments of the 4th on TH-cam: Bruckner was always Bruckner. I love his music so much.
just beginning to listen to bruckner. wow. something so the feeling of LVB, Brahms, Wagner, but then something entirely else...
Bruckner is a great Alchemist of the human soul
The comfort of Bruckner’s symphonies is off the charts
Bruckner’s symphony is the acme of the symphony, and unfathomable, and comfortable to the ear and the mind
From
Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
This one is like accurate record. So good.
Esse final é uma revelação do divino ❤️
The build up sublime.
A silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Dark Knight.
That conductor moves like a machine
I have got to, absolutely got to see a live performance of this symphony.
unglaublich stark!
maravillosa interpretacion
24 degrees C and I've got goose pimples! Happens every time!
The intro sounds so heroic 😍
Conmovedora sinfonía de Bruckner que Gunter Wand eleva hasta lo espiritual. De todas las artes, la música es la más universalizadora.
Gracias
Holy shit! How did the audience not burst into immediate applause after that!?? Although I *hate* the guy at concerts who always shouts "bravo" immediately before the piece is even finished, I was fully expecting an immediate eruption of applause after such a monumental version of this finale..
I think they were left still from its beauty.
just waking up.
Everyone was so much in awe, it wasn't possible for them to clap.
I played on the stage in this performance 2nd wagner tuba. After the last chord was everything quiet for 16 seconds long! And not only here, always, if we played any Bruckner with him, it was the same situation! Here is the original version: th-cam.com/video/-pzTLk-thrQ/w-d-xo.html
Nope, it's almost customary at the end of works like this to pause some time before applauding. I mean, hopefully it's a moment of genuine silent awe, but there's an element of custom and not wanting to be that doofus that you mention.
Well. That saved me 90 minutes!
The 90 minutes are well spend listen to Bruckner ;)
Bravo! Love Bruckner!
Awesome is one of the words which could be used to describe this. The fact this has had only 180,000 views in the 5 years it has been on TH-cam says a lot about the sad state of our world.
Glorious!
Isto sim é felicidade
My favourite 3 minutes in all music.
Anton Bruckner Sinfonie Nr.8 "Apokalyptisch" IV.Satz-Finale(Coda) Sehr Majestätisch!
Sinfonias.
Mozart e Haydn popularizaram;
Beethoven e Brahms revolucionaram;
Mas Bruckner, Mahler e Shostakovich; elevaram aos cosmos.
Um BR aqui, olá amigo
@@guilhermedesouza3811 Olá
estou sempre por aqui, esta parte do youtube me mantém vivo
@@patricktulher certíssimo
I don't speak your language but I definitely understood and you're absolutely right❤
Deja de repetir y copiar frases de otros, no eres original
So much more than music...
Great music
... ends with Hot Cross Buns!! Epic!
The flowers make such a difference.
El más grande final del universo bruckneriano, el final de la octava sinfonía!
No .es la cuarta
@@miguelangelperez5176 Sí, yo creo que la cuarta es la mejor Coda.
esta música sublime y poderosa nos conduce a lo más profundo del Alma, del universo y a Dios, sólo los más grandes compositores sinfónicos han alcanzado esta proeza...Bruckner, Mahler, Scriabin.... Sobre Bruckner me gustaría decir que yo personalmente hubiera acabado su novena sinfonía añadiendo una Coda poderosa , larga y sublime apoyándome en una gran sección de viento metal , así la sinfonía quedaría completa y elevaría más la emoción del público en los conciertos .Es mi modesta opinión.
Gunter Wand is (was) a magician. Listen to the sound he gets.
In the 8th I saw in Hamburg with him (I'm aditionto many other occasions such as actually this very one here) at the end I remember a moment where GW wiggled a finger at the trombones- and their sound rose up, insane. Unforgetable.
@@grimmrad thanks
For me, Wand is the best for this work.
Recipe for clarity: Set aside 90 minutes undisturbed, add 7 oz of Brandy, a 90 minute cigar, and Wand conducting the entirety of Bruckner 8. At the end, all will be clear.
I haven't seen the low brass seated in the middle, between horns and trumpets, before.
Audible prayer.....
Bruckner does as much for me as Beethoven and Brahms.
For me Bruckner and Mahler are the best composers ever!!🤩
Thijn Mariman composers, and also i disagree, but ok
The Classical Nerd of Classical okay buddy, I didn’t ask for ur opinion right?
@@mariman1234 With all due respect, but no one asked for your opinion either lol
@@jimmythetrumpet3632 neither for you right?
where can I see full version?
0:41 When did George Lucas take up the violin?
0:50-1:25 sounds like Parsifal Finale, but then again the Wagnerian influence is a commonality. Great piece a music, though a bit flat. I’m really enjoying just discovering Bruckner now. :)
Beethoven The Prophet, Bruckner The Apostle.
Beauty
The chord at 2:11.
The finale is bright, a little smile is not superfluous. Half of violins play without vibrato, so the second layer is unclear
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Perfect tempo. Some versions are way too slow. I say Amen to the Wagner Tuben. They were well-miked and in great four-part harmony, better than trombones could do.
This is one of the slowest performances you will find.
@@herodot2 Yes, it's slow. But... how wonderful! ❤️
@@JeanPaul-Hol65 I agree. My favorite version is Celibidache's, who takes the coda at about the same pace.
My comment related to "some versions are way too slow". I don't know a slower version than Wand/Celi. Most conductors - even the greatest Bruckner conductors such as Giulini or Jochum - tend to rush a bit through this most glorious ending.
Well if you have the right trombones you have the best harmony you can get in the brass section because of the easy tuning possibilities
My soul Ìs purified
Bruckner, Mahler, Scriabin.... the music of God .....Heavenly Music ...Cosmic music ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
The hero ascends into Valhalla!
Какое изумительное крещендо, очень хороший оркестр,спасибо дирижёры,
I love Alexander Scriabin ....SCRIABIN IS THE BEST
Voll cool ich spiele auch horn ich werde Wienerphilharmoniker 🎉
God damn it, he got me, I looked into it!
Cataclysme subreptice et sublime.
Needs more brass
How old is the conductor? Supposedly the arm movement can help with longevity
You are close than you think: He broke his arm in 2002 and couldn't conduct an ymor,e being 90 years old - and died shortly after. I am convinced to this day that the conducting kept him going. At later concerts he had a chair behind him and sat down occasionally yet conducted frequently without score. Thee was a stand but that only had another baton in case he lost his.
I do wonder whether conducting is conducive to longevity, or whether it's just the long lived conductors that become famous!
YEAH HORNS
what is the instrument at 0:18
Wagner tubas.
@@gtsenov thank u habibi
How old is this conductor in this recording?
late 80s.
Yes.
Bruckner conducting his own symphony?
Mrekulli
0:37...
“To him, time is different than it is to other composers. To a normal man, time is what comes after the beginning. To Bruckner, time is what comes after the end."
Heavy metal.
Romance
K-Pop
0:00 - 1:25 it kinda sounds like what you would hear in a world war 1/ world war 2 movie when something bad is gonna happen
EDIT: not trying to be rude or controversial!!!
There is a clear resemblance to zarathustra
It’s posterior
Yes trombinis
Humans create music for God, but God created music for Bruckner.
hmmmm, the true is im still prefering mahler
I listen to it, over and over again! I think I know why Günter Wand was the best Bruckner interpretor in my opinion. It is because both of them have been humble and modest persons. Bruckner is nothing for flamboyant cocks, that is for sure.
Wand said he couldn't conduct Mahler. Never did. Go figure. (Btw I love both Bruckner and Mahler). Wand for Bruckner. Bernstein for Mahler.
Лучшая симфония Брукнера - Нулевая.
Can anyone correct Bruckner's percussion parts with better orchestration? I think Bruckner was absent when percussion lessons were taught.
Here is proof positive that Bruckner was almost a wonderful composer. There is an important difference between pompous and profound.
I'm sure, you're listening to Haydn
@@felixpacher98 You bet. Haydn had great skill and great taste. Bruckner did not
@@stephenjablonsky1941 I'm going to have to disagree with you, but I don't think a discussion between a Haydn and a Bruckner enthusiast would end well, so we'd probably end this here. I respect your opinion, and acknowledge that Haydn has composed some good music, but that's about it
@@felixpacher98 Bruckner fans tend to be very enthusiastic but totally wrong. Bruckner was the master of the musical non sequitur, but not much else. There are moments in his music that are quite affecting but the total structures fail dismally...and that's all I am going to say. End of story.