Worth caveating that these are maximum possible losses in the aggregate, not necessarily the average loss since the distribution of Docksides across the player base isn't known. Still, terrific analysis, believable numbers. A+ from an Economics Professor.
Rudy from Alpha Investments made a good point, that this was entirely curated by WotC and the RC. Theres no way they ban cards like this, and tank the market if they had already planned on putting these cards in any future sets within the next 1-2 years. Thats a massive loss of money. It was likely done on purpose because theyre considering new even more powerful cards for people to chase after. All this did was hurt collectors and investors, and made a ton of people feel like they wasted their money chasing these cards in recent sets.
Anyone paying insane prices for single cards is wasting their money no matter if the cards end up getting banned or not, if people don't have enough money to quite literally burn it, they shouldn't use it to buy cards like this. Never expect for any of these to be "worth it" just like with risky investments of any kind
@@catboy57392 speak for yourself, some people do have money to burn and thats perfectly fine. If these cards arent “worth it” in some capacity then the boxes dont need to be $200.
Banning sol ring would make every single commander deck produced and sold by wotc illegal to play right out of the box. It would be a massive logistical nightmare and shit show
To be fair I don't either. People assigning a value to cardboard is not my business but that being the reason why game pieces are costly to participate in a game with friends is beyond stupid imo. Sometimes I feel the playerbase cares far far more about the price of their cardboard than the game and its integrity/accessibility itself.
Wow. Another great point in the video. It’s exactly Wizards who should be blame (besides people who spend those money). Wizards in the first place printed those broken cards it’s wizards who printed them in very limited run. It’s wizards who kept those prices so high to keep their very expensive special boosters to be popular. steering committee only try to keep the game fair and on the right level, it’s not their fault that wizards keep printing cards that never should be allowed into the format and in addition keep the prices so high.
I just got my Festival in a Box today. Can't wait to open two of the collector boosters in it. If I am lucky, really lucky, I might be able to pull a Jeweled Lotus and a Mana Crypt from them. Wish me luck 🙃
I sure hope there's some kind of legal repercussions for wizards because if they know this card was going to get banned over a year ago and then they still decided to print 6 variations of it and make it their Chase card in one of their most recent releases that seems a little fishy seems like they milked us for everything they could before they banned the card I know banning's happening so it's whatever but them knowing it was going to happen and then still hyping up the card like that it seems a little bit anti-consumer especially cuz I know the value of those cards. At the end of the day I only own one copy of each of these cards which I packed so I'm not too stressed on the price it just seems they are encouraging us to proxies the expensive cards and buy the cheap ones.
The cheapest copy of mana crypt is going for $150 nm, which is only a 25% loss in value. The market overreacted initially, but now it has mostly adjusted, although I wouldn't be surprised if the price continues to rise.
@@elderdingushighlander it was back up to $120 before WotC even took over commander. The market massively overreacted when the price was down to $80. I guarantee you it will not go under $100
@@elderdingushighlander wouldn't that be an even bigger loss of money? If it was unbanned, everyone that sold their crypt for $100 would have to pay at least $200 to re-buy it. Then they would be down $300 instead of $100.
That an unrelated rules commitee has that much influence in the market is scary. Yes these are artificial prices driven by the community but when WOTC is activly printing and selling cards for a "casual" format there should be stricker rules for the whole process...
I have many of these baned cards. I am not upset about the money, but I am annoyed by why they were banned. Where I play, we have three teirs of turnoments. One just percon, casule competitive ( no combos before turn 6 and certain cards in you deck will move you to the last teir), the last teir is cedh. I have decks that are in the second and third teir. I have no problem with any card to be played in cedh. But what I am annoyed with is the people who want to play casually whining about those who want to play card in their cedh decks. Do not play with people that play cedh. Why should the cedh players suffer because some do not like certain cards. Plus, people should not threathen anybody.
I actually disagree with your position on rule 0 Rule 0 should be fore "We are all friends and we trust each other not to cause an awful play experience and so we trust them with things we would not trust strangers with" Rule 0ing in cards that are bad is what rule 0 should before. Especially now that more and more EDH events are happening at conventions and what not where there isnt really time or space for Rule 0 talks. If the ban list is working correctly you can a group of strangers can sit down and you will likely have an OK game of magic, but if you are with your friends and you want to use the spiciest tech you can ask them to let you use an otherwise banned card.
Rule 0 does not work outside of a kitchen table environment. You can't show up to play with strangers with prebuilt decks and expect everyone to want the same experience. Rule 0 creates a meta amongst your friends in your home. Commander never should have left the environment it was designed for because it doesn't function correctly and was never meant to be played that way.
@@Dstinct regardless of the way it was designed , it is being used as the defacto format for MTG now. and considerations must be made to how it is being used now. Like how social security numbers are in America, they were never intended to be used as a catchall identifier of citizens (in fact the cards were originally printed with "Not to be used for purposes of identification") but because people didn't want to default to a more secure id system people just defaulted to using social security numbers (Here in Australia we use drivers licenses, and for those that do not want, or cannot drive there is an 18 plus card which is identical in all ways except it doesn't allow you to operate a motor vehicle) Likewise we have to understand that this is how EDH is being played and we have to make accommodations for that because you are not going to fix it
@herpderp66 I mean WotC has that list of cards that they can't reprint or they open themselves up to FULL legal litigation. How can people not sue the RC for losing millions for LGSs and players alike?
@@xenodarsh3475WoTC could get rid of the reserve list tomorrow and not a single suit would see a judge. Cards have come on and off that list many times and nothing happened. The reserve list is a joke
As a person who plays commander in a store weekly, this is good, a card game should not be the home to some speculative market for people to invest in and sell like stocks. Mana Crypt was prohibitively expensive to be a staple. The same fallout would happen if WOTC had just reprinted them enmasse, this is better for the health of the game
Jeweled Lotus isnt a Staple in every deck though, and id say neither is Mana Crypt. I played the game for years before i ever put a MC in a deck, and even now its only in 2 of my 11 decks. It sounds like people were upset because somebody spent more money and won slightly faster. They werent expensive because they were inherently good, its because they were good AND RARE. Card games have always had chase cards, and having a few that are worth more money shouldnt be the thing everyone fixates on if theyre trying to play for fun. Proxys are a thing, nobody was forcing anybody to buy $200 Mana Crypts for every deck.
This has NOTHING to do with the casual format. I run 3 different cEDH decks that I never use in local casual settings. This is actually horrible. With this ban, the RC just made sure that you will never be able to compete in the competitive realm by making cEDH twice as expensive to get into. All mono colored decks that were hanging on by a thread to complete in cEDH are now cut off completely. you wanna get into cEDH? Well now you have to buy a few dual lands. Now tell me, how the hell is this good?
@@mobius3339 If I may pose a question. If you were willing to spend $100 on a card that is good across all decks why couldn’t you use the same justification for a $500 dollar card that would be good in every competitive game AND that is guaranteed to never be reprinted for legal play? To jump into cedh demands a rather high amount of initial investment. I’ve seen budget brews but almost all of them are still over $250. That’s a pretty high ceiling to ask of someone for a 100 card singleton format. Also I guarantee a majority of these budget brews already weren’t relying on Crypt or Lotus to launch them. Also let’s not pretend that the Scalpers aren’t the real problem here.
Im still curious about the potential legal ramifications (if anyone wants to go down that route). Is this market manipulation? Inside Trading? These are all valid concerns, especially for people who are heavily invested. Let's be real about this, these things are assets in the same vein as art, stocks, gold, and such
@@Viryn art is handmade and isn't so widely distributed so that's a false comparison. Cards are more like printed copies of art and therefore aren't assets.
Hate to break it to you but your gamble on a CASUAL format is not an investment and all LGS's dont have warehouses full of these cards. As someone who was building a Zoo with 4 goyfs and Splinter Twin deck in Modern once upon a time this is part and parcel of the GAME. its not an invesmtnet. My LGS's are fine btw before anyone ask because their not morons. Also on your rule 0 point no thats exactly not how it works. Rule 0 was always meant to INCLUDE cards not EXCLUDE.
There is no loss, cards have no inherent value, the second hand market is why mtg is disappointing. Also, it’s a good thing that prices fell, making cards more affordable, and allowing more people to play the game (which is the point)
Your argument doesn't even make sense. Why would people buy these cards now that they are affordable BECAUSE they are banned in nearly every format ?? Have fun with your monopoly money my guy.
This game is 50/50 it's a game first but it is definitely a collectible otherwise the reserve list wouldn't exist if it was about accessibility there's a lot of cards on there that we could be using that are legal in every format and we are not so it is most definitely a collector game as well and you want some of the stuff you put money into to hold some kind of value
Money. Money. And.. Money again. Is this still a game? I’m so tired of those people crying about money they “lost”. No, they didn’t lost any money. They voluntarily SPEND their own money on cardboard pieces card game. Period. Be adult. Take responsibility for your decisions and actions and stop blaming others.
I want you to think about it like this your a young kid and want to put more into your deck so you decide to put 100 bucks into and drop a jeweled lotus into it because you enjoy the game and wants to put more into your hobby. there is nothing wrong with that. And now suddenly he gets ass blasted by the rules committee for daring make that decision and everyone else is dunking on him saying “WeLl ShOuLdNt HaVe SpEnT mOnEy On CaRdBoArD” when we all know damn well people buy DLCs for video games or micro transactions because they like the product they are playing, this is the exact same thing only when you buy something in a video game they don’t turn around and make it unplayable
@@DBDpurekiller 1. Many people don’t play those cards at all as are overpowered. 2. I’ve said it many times and I will said it: if someone is spending such big amount of money on cardboard rectangle for the game one is insane. And no. You do not need those cards to play commander. There is tons of strong and budget decks without high priced cards, but for many people it is more simple to throw money and take shortcuts. So do not blame anyone else for your decisions and choices.
They didn't ban Sol Ring because (1) it doesn't affect the game all that much and (2) it is as common as crabgrass. Doesn't suffer from rich-kid syndrome.
As man suffering with poor man ‘s syndrome I feel that the cards are fine. People need to run more interaction naturalize is a 20 cent card and force of vigor is an affordable card. If people are too lazy to run basic removal instead of another eight drop then it will be ok and if the format is causal then a ban list is not needed. You think people in standard mono black for fun? Short answer is no. Wotc events uses this ban list for events. What’s next JLK get made because someone tutor out a combo piece so they ban tutors. What about cards that fetches lands?
Sorry your $5 a week allowance that you spend on Cheetos isn't enough for you to save for rare cards. Forget about ever competing in a competitive format, because the RC just made sure that if you don't own a few dual lands you can go play with losers like you in the corner who will complain about everything. If you don't understand how this is bad for cEDH and for newer people getting into the format, you should probably keep your mouth shut.
Imo the worst part about mtg is the people who care exclusively about the prices of their cardboard... why can't everyone just enjoy the game. Maybe flesh and blood is just the way to go
It's the ones who don't have cards who cry about. Your mentality is going to a race and bringing a Ford escort while someone brings a Lamborghini, and your saybits not fair lol
Do not buy broken and overpriced pieces of cardboard. Play the game, have fun with it, exclude such silly inventions from your playgroup in rule 0 or… use proxies. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless or die because they do not have anything to eat and you’re crying because thousands of dollars lost on pieces of coloured paper. It’s disgusting.
You're super sincere until you throw up the Sol Ring argument and can't even really look into the Camera when you do... the availability of Sol ring makes it far less of a "villian" card...half the casual tables don't even run it. The easy solution to this is to separate cedh and edh, then every time you feel the need to ban a card in cedh, you ban it in EDH instead. (>")>~~~winnning~~~D
The RC only cares about the quality of play. The try-hards brought these cards to casual tables. Rule 0 did not help with this. So they banned those cards. People playing cEDH-level cards couldn't be trusted to play among their own kind. So their toys were confiscated. I have no pity for any of them, only the shops left holding the bag.
Wizards didn't make the decision but they need to address the decision. This isn't the office they can't just "Aww god Dwight picked the worst health plan, guess we gotta live with it, to late now." or don't and folks choose whether or not to accept being at the mercy of the RCs terrible decisions or to stop buying product.
The RC had been talking to Wotc for at least 12 months about this according to the RC.
Worth caveating that these are maximum possible losses in the aggregate, not necessarily the average loss since the distribution of Docksides across the player base isn't known. Still, terrific analysis, believable numbers. A+ from an Economics Professor.
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Festival in a Box is all the proof I need.
Rudy from Alpha Investments made a good point, that this was entirely curated by WotC and the RC. Theres no way they ban cards like this, and tank the market if they had already planned on putting these cards in any future sets within the next 1-2 years. Thats a massive loss of money. It was likely done on purpose because theyre considering new even more powerful cards for people to chase after. All this did was hurt collectors and investors, and made a ton of people feel like they wasted their money chasing these cards in recent sets.
Anyone paying insane prices for single cards is wasting their money no matter if the cards end up getting banned or not, if people don't have enough money to quite literally burn it, they shouldn't use it to buy cards like this. Never expect for any of these to be "worth it" just like with risky investments of any kind
@@catboy57392 speak for yourself, some people do have money to burn and thats perfectly fine. If these cards arent “worth it” in some capacity then the boxes dont need to be $200.
Classic Wizards pump and dump.
You say that Wizards both had to know ahead of time and yet aren’t responsible. The RC is doing what Wizards says not the other way around.
Its a slap in the face to cedh players
To everyone
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Commander RC is a bunch of clowns... Great video on financial analysis. Great work
Expecially when they didnt consult the CAG on it either
This video nails how I’m feeling.
Nice well rounded analysis! Good observations towards the issue.
Best video on the topic I’ve seen. And I’ve been watching a lot of videos😂
@@TheTc4jc thank you!!!
WOTC and the RC sucks.
They were in talks for 12 months
They really do
The Community should just tune out the RC at this point.
Hopefully this’ll lead to the cEDH community finally creating their own format. The RC can seriously go pound sand
You earned yourself a sub here with all the effort you put into this.
A great analysis and one of the best takes I've seen on what cards were banned and what should've been banned. We'll said.
Banning sol ring would make every single commander deck produced and sold by wotc illegal to play right out of the box. It would be a massive logistical nightmare and shit show
But would be the right move when you ban other colorless Mana Rocks
A lot of small businesses are losimg so much money. And WoTC doesnt care at all.
WOTC didn’t do this. Commander has a separate Rules Committee
To be fair I don't either. People assigning a value to cardboard is not my business but that being the reason why game pieces are costly to participate in a game with friends is beyond stupid imo. Sometimes I feel the playerbase cares far far more about the price of their cardboard than the game and its integrity/accessibility itself.
@Dapper422 : agreed. I feel bad for them, too.
@@KyonV13 : agreed. It does seem that way. Lotta flexing going on.
Stores got hit the most monetarily and cEDH players are affected the most by this ban.
Not sure the RC needs to care about either of them.
I would like to see a video on your process of calculating print runs
Wow. Another great point in the video. It’s exactly Wizards who should be blame (besides people who spend those money). Wizards in the first place printed those broken cards it’s wizards who printed them in very limited run. It’s wizards who kept those prices so high to keep their very expensive special boosters to be popular. steering committee only try to keep the game fair and on the right level, it’s not their fault that wizards keep printing cards that never should be allowed into the format and in addition keep the prices so high.
We demand stream soon. We need it.
Paradox Engine and Nadu had similar play style makes sense they were banned.
Agreed, but I miss paradox lol
I just got my Festival in a Box today. Can't wait to open two of the collector boosters in it. If I am lucky, really lucky, I might be able to pull a Jeweled Lotus and a Mana Crypt from them. Wish me luck 🙃
I sure hope there's some kind of legal repercussions for wizards because if they know this card was going to get banned over a year ago and then they still decided to print 6 variations of it and make it their Chase card in one of their most recent releases that seems a little fishy seems like they milked us for everything they could before they banned the card I know banning's happening so it's whatever but them knowing it was going to happen and then still hyping up the card like that it seems a little bit anti-consumer especially cuz I know the value of those cards. At the end of the day I only own one copy of each of these cards which I packed so I'm not too stressed on the price it just seems they are encouraging us to proxies the expensive cards and buy the cheap ones.
Haha good luck with that
The cheapest copy of mana crypt is going for $150 nm, which is only a 25% loss in value. The market overreacted initially, but now it has mostly adjusted, although I wouldn't be surprised if the price continues to rise.
The only reason it's back up is because people think it will be unbanned now that Wizards controls the ban list
@@elderdingushighlander it was back up to $120 before WotC even took over commander. The market massively overreacted when the price was down to $80. I guarantee you it will not go under $100
@prestonbeaulieu4379 well definitely not anymore, I would be shocked if it isn't unbanned
@@elderdingushighlander wouldn't that be an even bigger loss of money? If it was unbanned, everyone that sold their crypt for $100 would have to pay at least $200 to re-buy it. Then they would be down $300 instead of $100.
@@prestonbeaulieu4379 the people that sold would be down more, the people that held would be up, the people that bought would be up
That an unrelated rules commitee has that much influence in the market is scary. Yes these are artificial prices driven by the community but when WOTC is activly printing and selling cards for a "casual" format there should be stricker rules for the whole process...
Unrelated rules committee? Bro what do you mean? They literally made and run the format
@@DevinVT1 Yeah wrong wording there. Semantics aside it doesnt change anything..
@@eisberg7681 having the power that they have be in WOTC hands is even scarier. YUGIOH has it way worse and honestly im hoping for more bans.
There not gunna ban the one ring till right after they lose the ip
I loved the bans but if I had any of these cards I'd be upset
I have many of these baned cards. I am not upset about the money, but I am annoyed by why they were banned. Where I play, we have three teirs of turnoments. One just percon, casule competitive ( no combos before turn 6 and certain cards in you deck will move you to the last teir), the last teir is cedh. I have decks that are in the second and third teir. I have no problem with any card to be played in cedh. But what I am annoyed with is the people who want to play casually whining about those who want to play card in their cedh decks. Do not play with people that play cedh. Why should the cedh players suffer because some do not like certain cards. Plus, people should not threathen anybody.
I actually disagree with your position on rule 0
Rule 0 should be fore "We are all friends and we trust each other not to cause an awful play experience and so we trust them with things we would not trust strangers with"
Rule 0ing in cards that are bad is what rule 0 should before. Especially now that more and more EDH events are happening at conventions and what not where there isnt really time or space for Rule 0 talks.
If the ban list is working correctly you can a group of strangers can sit down and you will likely have an OK game of magic, but if you are with your friends and you want to use the spiciest tech you can ask them to let you use an otherwise banned card.
Rule 0 does not work outside of a kitchen table environment. You can't show up to play with strangers with prebuilt decks and expect everyone to want the same experience. Rule 0 creates a meta amongst your friends in your home. Commander never should have left the environment it was designed for because it doesn't function correctly and was never meant to be played that way.
@@Dstinct regardless of the way it was designed , it is being used as the defacto format for MTG now. and considerations must be made to how it is being used now.
Like how social security numbers are in America, they were never intended to be used as a catchall identifier of citizens (in fact the cards were originally printed with "Not to be used for purposes of identification") but because people didn't want to default to a more secure id system people just defaulted to using social security numbers (Here in Australia we use drivers licenses, and for those that do not want, or cannot drive there is an 18 plus card which is identical in all ways except it doesn't allow you to operate a motor vehicle)
Likewise we have to understand that this is how EDH is being played and we have to make accommodations for that because you are not going to fix it
RC didn't lose a penny...........in fact they might have made some..........
Sounds like it should be a class action.
I would be surprised if the RC doesn't get sued into the ground.
@herpderp66 I mean WotC has that list of cards that they can't reprint or they open themselves up to FULL legal litigation. How can people not sue the RC for losing millions for LGSs and players alike?
@@herpderp66 Name checks out
Why? The rc is not beholden yo secondary markets and wotc is not responisble for card value. The reserved lost was a mistake cause little babids cried
@@xenodarsh3475WoTC could get rid of the reserve list tomorrow and not a single suit would see a judge. Cards have come on and off that list many times and nothing happened. The reserve list is a joke
Why didn't they ban Sol Ring?
It would make most, if not all (not sure), precons illegal out of the box.
That's so satisfying to see
As a person who plays commander in a store weekly, this is good, a card game should not be the home to some speculative market for people to invest in and sell like stocks. Mana Crypt was prohibitively expensive to be a staple. The same fallout would happen if WOTC had just reprinted them enmasse, this is better for the health of the game
Jeweled Lotus isnt a Staple in every deck though, and id say neither is Mana Crypt. I played the game for years before i ever put a MC in a deck, and even now its only in 2 of my 11 decks. It sounds like people were upset because somebody spent more money and won slightly faster. They werent expensive because they were inherently good, its because they were good AND RARE. Card games have always had chase cards, and having a few that are worth more money shouldnt be the thing everyone fixates on if theyre trying to play for fun. Proxys are a thing, nobody was forcing anybody to buy $200 Mana Crypts for every deck.
Commander is a casual format, you can use proxies which are cheap.
This has NOTHING to do with the casual format. I run 3 different cEDH decks that I never use in local casual settings. This is actually horrible. With this ban, the RC just made sure that you will never be able to compete in the competitive realm by making cEDH twice as expensive to get into. All mono colored decks that were hanging on by a thread to complete in cEDH are now cut off completely. you wanna get into cEDH? Well now you have to buy a few dual lands. Now tell me, how the hell is this good?
@@mobius3339 If I may pose a question. If you were willing to spend $100 on a card that is good across all decks why couldn’t you use the same justification for a $500 dollar card that would be good in every competitive game AND that is guaranteed to never be reprinted for legal play? To jump into cedh demands a rather high amount of initial investment. I’ve seen budget brews but almost all of them are still over $250. That’s a pretty high ceiling to ask of someone for a 100 card singleton format. Also I guarantee a majority of these budget brews already weren’t relying on Crypt or Lotus to launch them. Also let’s not pretend that the Scalpers aren’t the real problem here.
I would rather them lost all value by reprints than be banned at least I can play them
Im still curious about the potential legal ramifications (if anyone wants to go down that route). Is this market manipulation? Inside Trading? These are all valid concerns, especially for people who are heavily invested.
Let's be real about this, these things are assets in the same vein as art, stocks, gold, and such
Lol expensive pieces of cardboard are definitely not assets
@kevinlee5753 interesting argument. Clearly, art is also just valueless clay and paint. Lithograph is probably the best analogy.
@@Viryn art is handmade and isn't so widely distributed so that's a false comparison. Cards are more like printed copies of art and therefore aren't assets.
A hand painting is one of a kind.
A bunch of prints are just copies.
I got my jeweled lotus @$20 for my binder n hoping the RC would change their minds.
Hate to break it to you but your gamble on a CASUAL format is not an investment and all LGS's dont have warehouses full of these cards.
As someone who was building a Zoo with 4 goyfs and Splinter Twin deck in Modern once upon a time this is part and parcel of the GAME. its not an invesmtnet. My LGS's are fine btw before anyone ask because their not morons.
Also on your rule 0 point no thats exactly not how it works. Rule 0 was always meant to INCLUDE cards not EXCLUDE.
Low volume
I didn't like the argument floating around of 'You lost 0 for a card you were never gonna sell'.
You still took a hit.
Dumb take imo, Am I wrong?
🤔 wizards of the Coast it’s probably listening to you or your Alexa 😳 lol
If your sound was better you probably would have more subscribers,
LGS' should class action sue the RC for insider trading an tortious interference
There is no loss, cards have no inherent value, the second hand market is why mtg is disappointing. Also, it’s a good thing that prices fell, making cards more affordable, and allowing more people to play the game (which is the point)
Your argument doesn't even make sense. Why would people buy these cards now that they are affordable BECAUSE they are banned in nearly every format ?? Have fun with your monopoly money my guy.
This game is 50/50 it's a game first but it is definitely a collectible otherwise the reserve list wouldn't exist if it was about accessibility there's a lot of cards on there that we could be using that are legal in every format and we are not so it is most definitely a collector game as well and you want some of the stuff you put money into to hold some kind of value
Money. Money. And.. Money again. Is this still a game? I’m so tired of those people crying about money they “lost”. No, they didn’t lost any money. They voluntarily SPEND their own money on cardboard pieces card game. Period. Be adult. Take responsibility for your decisions and actions and stop blaming others.
COLLECTOR BOX COLLECTOR BOX COLLECTOR BOX COLLECTOR BOX DO YOU UNDERSTAND LITTLE TIMMY?
I want you to think about it like this your a young kid and want to put more into your deck so you decide to put 100 bucks into and drop a jeweled lotus into it because you enjoy the game and wants to put more into your hobby. there is nothing wrong with that. And now suddenly he gets ass blasted by the rules committee for daring make that decision and everyone else is dunking on him saying “WeLl ShOuLdNt HaVe SpEnT mOnEy On CaRdBoArD” when we all know damn well people buy DLCs for video games or micro transactions because they like the product they are playing, this is the exact same thing only when you buy something in a video game they don’t turn around and make it unplayable
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@@DBDpurekiller 1. Many people don’t play those cards at all as are overpowered. 2. I’ve said it many times and I will said it: if someone is spending such big amount of money on cardboard rectangle for the game one is insane. And no. You do not need those cards to play commander. There is tons of strong and budget decks without high priced cards, but for many people it is more simple to throw money and take shortcuts. So do not blame anyone else for your decisions and choices.
What a brain dead take
these bans are much appreciated
No Time for Jokes Batgirl
For Timmy’s sake
They didn't ban Sol Ring because (1) it doesn't affect the game all that much and (2) it is as common as crabgrass. Doesn't suffer from rich-kid syndrome.
It affects a game just as much as mana crypt, but was guaranteed in every pod, potentially affecting every game played, while crypt wasn't
This is the erosion of the middle class magic
No card suffers from rich-kid syndrome in commander. This isn't legacy or modern, you can proxy everything.
As man suffering with poor man ‘s syndrome I feel that the cards are fine. People need to run more interaction naturalize is a 20 cent card and force of vigor is an affordable card. If people are too lazy to run basic removal instead of another eight drop then it will be ok and if the format is causal then a ban list is not needed. You think people in standard mono black for fun? Short answer is no. Wotc events uses this ban list for events. What’s next JLK get made because someone tutor out a combo piece so they ban tutors. What about cards that fetches lands?
Sorry your $5 a week allowance that you spend on Cheetos isn't enough for you to save for rare cards. Forget about ever competing in a competitive format, because the RC just made sure that if you don't own a few dual lands you can go play with losers like you in the corner who will complain about everything. If you don't understand how this is bad for cEDH and for newer people getting into the format, you should probably keep your mouth shut.
Imo the worst part about mtg is the people who care exclusively about the prices of their cardboard... why can't everyone just enjoy the game. Maybe flesh and blood is just the way to go
Good this is a children board card game, a card should never cost that high so let the whale cry about it 🥳😍
It's the ones who don't have cards who cry about. Your mentality is going to a race and bringing a Ford escort while someone brings a Lamborghini, and your saybits not fair lol
Good bannings
Do not buy broken and overpriced pieces of cardboard. Play the game, have fun with it, exclude such silly inventions from your playgroup in rule 0 or… use proxies.
Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless or die because they do not have anything to eat and you’re crying because thousands of dollars lost on pieces of coloured paper. It’s disgusting.
You're super sincere until you throw up the Sol Ring argument and can't even really look into the Camera when you do... the availability of Sol ring makes it far less of a "villian" card...half the casual tables don't even run it. The easy solution to this is to separate cedh and edh, then every time you feel the need to ban a card in cedh, you ban it in EDH instead. (>")>~~~winnning~~~D
The RC only cares about the quality of play. The try-hards brought these cards to casual tables. Rule 0 did not help with this. So they banned those cards. People playing cEDH-level cards couldn't be trusted to play among their own kind. So their toys were confiscated. I have no pity for any of them, only the shops left holding the bag.
The vast majority of cEDH players would never play those decks against casuals. It's usually high powered casual decks that lie about their powerlevel
@@elderdingushighlander : noted. I concur. I edited my post.
They shouldn't have been in casual decks. But Sol Ring is probably the biggest offender of lowering quality of play, yet untouched.
This was a corporate decision. Stop fooling yourself that the RC is independent of WotC.
@ayu5tails : and you know this how?
Homer voice - 127 million.... SO FAR
Wizards didn't make the decision but they need to address the decision. This isn't the office they can't just "Aww god Dwight picked the worst health plan, guess we gotta live with it, to late now." or don't and folks choose whether or not to accept being at the mercy of the RCs terrible decisions or to stop buying product.