Thank you for your review. I realized how much I missed my Seiko Marinemaster SBDX001 and SBDB001. So out of the blue, I decided to buy both of them back at SBDX017, and SBDB011 this week, sunk in almost $6g for the two of them. Now they both come with Diashield which I cannot tell at all, I don't see the difference in terms of color of the metal. You are definitely right about these Marinemasters, they are very well built and the moment I realized the new SLA021 does not have Marinemaster written across the dial, I had to find the latest SBDX017 and just buy one before it is all gone! Great Review!!!
Dude, your a bit of a legend for your honest and spot on assessment at the end. I also have an mm300 and i pretty much agree with you 100%, its a stunning watch that is almost perfect aesthetically but as you said it has those few flaws that really should have been addressed in the updated model you bought. the addition of diashield, whilst nice, definitely wasnt needed ahead of things like a better bracelet and clasp, sapphire and adjusted movt. A ti option would be killer as well since the watch wears very top heavy for its size. Great job man!
Thanks Albert, I appreciate that. Your comments are spot on.... It might be a long while before another update but let's hope Seiko addresses those points! Enjoy yours my friend 👍
+TeensierPython - the spring drive gs divers are ruined with the ugly pr meters for mine otherwise id agree they are perfect otherwise. actually the quartz gs diver comes closest but the price is too much even given it has the bespoke thermo movt. the mm300 is actually perfect looking, its just outdated in the way its made and im still surprised seiko didnt give it the modern overhaul it deserves. the competition has moved well on...
Thanks for the review, especially the size comparison with the SKX. I think you covered everything one needs to know about the watch in an enthusiastic and very objective manner. This watch has been on my mind for over a year, and I think it'll soon be time to get one!
The crystal is actually pretty protected as it sits around 1mm below the bezel. Also I think it looks way superior over sapphire crystal (reflections are pretty massive, but its great under water and its clearly a wanted design aspect to this watch), less likely to shatter and it also lets 98% percent less sunlight bleach your dial compared to sapphire. Mine runs 5s+/d also, gotta love this watch.
Love your video reviews Bruce. I am officially saving up to contemplate getting a MM 300 but first I would like to see one in the flesh since the price on this piece has jumped considerable since your video.
Great video! I have wanted one for the longest time. I sold a Sinn U1 for the reasons of bulkiness and I hope the MM300 is a little better in this area. Thanks for the vid!
Great review Bruce, been waiting for this since your unboxing! Firstly wow, it's simply stunning. There's just something about all the little nuances Seiko have incorporated from their ( as you elegantly phrased) 'rich heritage' that just makes it so aesthetically appealing. I love the angles of the monocoque case and the fact it differs to most dive watches due to the innovative design to prevent helium from entering the case. With regards to the few negatives of the watch you pointed out I honestly believe Seiko didn't use sapphire crystal or regulate the movement not for practical diving reasons but for a commercial ones. If they had done that the mm300 would have then been competing too closely with the Grand Seiko diver range and would have had a big impact on those sales. I believe (and think Seiko do too) a lot of potential grand Seiko diver customers would instead opt for the mm300 if it had sapphire crystal and or a regulated movement. I agree the X on the crown could have been thought out a bit better. A cool thing about it though is if you look closely it is in fact a 'P' and 'S' (ProSpex) that make up the X logo. All in all you can see why this watch is so revered by watch enthusiasts. It has a classic, vintage appearance derived from a strong diver heritage and this newer model like you pointed out is infused with the latest Seiko technology such as MEMS and the new LumiBrite. Again it was an excellent review and I look forward to seeing more of the sbdx017 on your channel.
+Jay K Jay, thanks for watching and for the comment, I think they are very valid points. I never noticed the P and S made up the logo before. Haha I like it a little more now! I know its easy to nit-pick and complain about what we wish brands or models would or wouldn't do. All in all this watch is wonderful, and I am happy to live with the little nuances that come along with it. More to come, cheers
After looking around for sometime. I just ran into one of these at the Seiko watch section, After tried out for a while, Now I am also a satisfied owner of SBDX017. Very happy with it. One of the factor that made me bought it is your review Thank you!
If Seiko added everything you are talking about it would be a $3000 watch and not a $2000 piece anymore. At $3K they would not sell nearly as many pieces as they do now....which is probably not a lot if we are being honest. It's also important to remember that this piece is a "throwback" to the 6159 so Seiko is looking to maintain the heritage to a degree and that is why the crystal is hardlex and why their is no sapphire or ceramic bezel and why the links on the bracelet are longer (although the 6159 didn't come with a bracelet AT ALL!). Frankly, the more I wear my MM300, the more amazed I am that it ONLY costs what it does.
Brilliant video! I like the fact you came out with the bad points along with the good ones. Anyone considering this watch would tip them over to buying it with this informative review.
beautiful review. not lengthy at all, very apt and informative and since it covers everything about the lovely watch, it had to have the required length. My MM300 is on its way and i cant wait man..
Hi, that's the best review of the MM I've see. Been wanting this watch for a few years now (am a big Seiko automatic fan). This review has helped me a lot, the only thing holding me back is there so hard to get hold of in the UK, I'd have to buy on line, and at this price I'd like to see it in the flesh first. Thanks again great review. P.S isn't the SKX just an incredible watch!! Never tire of wearing mine.
Thanks, that's very kind. I'm with you... Big Seiko automatic fan as well. I hear that fairly often with other UK watch fans... Tough and expensive to source. Hope you can see one in the flesh. I'm loving mine!
Bruce,Great review. Your opinions on Seiko are spot on! I have the Shogun and Seiko Ananta Multi-hand and love them. I was going to get a BLUMO but may pull the trigger on the MM300.
Excellent review! Objective and to the point. Although I'm currently in love with my Omega Seamaster I'm a big fan of Seiko divers and I own a couple - an acquired taste indeed. I was actually very, very close to getting a Marinemaster but in the end I was turned off (forever) by the fact that it's not regulated while it has a mono-block construction. While I assume it would be possible to have it regulated, it would certainly have to go back to Seiko and personally I would hate to have my brand new diver watch taken apart!
I'm pretty sure you can get the bezel buffed out if you wanted to spend the money. I think it's worth it. I already own two Seiko's my favorite is my Seiko SSC017P1 Diver in the blue accents. I plan on getting one of these Bad Boys in my collection. I also own my first Orient Orange MakoXL CEM7500-1M. I plan on getting a few more of the Orient's in my collection as well. I liked your video. It really helped with showing more of the watch and the description. Great video. Keep them coming. Happy Hunting.
Michael, thanks very much. I think you have a great start to your collection. It's amazing the value for money these great Japanese brands offer. I will keep the vids coming, thanks 👍
This is my second time watching you video. I do agree about you grading a B for it. Not to many people will like this BAD ASS Seiko time piece, but Not mine. I really like Seiko a lot after getting a few in my collection. I made up mind and decided to pull the trigger and get one. I will have to save for it cause I do not have a lot of money, but I think the more save the more I will appreciated it. So I'm on the hunt and I WILL own one. Your video was the turning point for me to appreciate Seiko's more and my Seiko SSC017P1 with the blue accents. Thank You Bro.
Michael, good choice man. Trust me it will be worth the wait, and like you said you will appreciate it more. It's a seriously cool watch, I'm wearing mine as I type. Thanks for watching again and I hope everything goes well!
Great review I think you may have talked me out of it with the few negatives! I have the $500 Seiko scuba 6R15 air divers & it’s really nice with the orange face I had now well over 5 years.the sbdx017 is a eye catcher. $1.900 something to think about. Thanks
What a fantastic and substantial review. Well done Bruce. It looks absolutely fantastic and I look forward to more videos about the Marine Master! The Sapphire and pins are disappointing at this price and I understand that they stand by the hardlex, but the added scratch resistance is just something your everyday wearer is expecting here I think. Even if it just consumer perception. Have a great weekend!
Such a beautiful watch, Bruce. I know I'll get this eventually, just not sure when. My lone hesitation is the weight. I really prefer watches that weight 120 - 180 grams, and I think this is well over 200, but it sounds like it is comfortable nonetheless. By the way, a sapphire mod will probably cost you only $50-80. I think they upgraded the crown a few years ago, that the complaints were from older models. Don't worry about the little scratches...they bring character.
+Jonny Casual Thanks Jonny. It is pretty hefty. Taking it off the bracelet certainly sheds some weight. I'd like to get a nice brown leather to wear with it casually on occasion. Similar to what you are doing with your Breitling. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it when you do get one. I think it would go really well alongside your Omegas and Breitlings. A good black on black beauty you are currently lacking. Excited for your decade movie lists btw
Bruce Williams Yeah, I'm really lacking a black-on-black watch, at least since I sold my quartz Seamaster a couple months ago. And I agree that it would be a nice complement to the Omegas and Breitlings.
Another great review. I really appreciate you doing a side by side comparison against the SKX, a watch I am very familiar with as I have several. I still believe this is still a bit too tall for my wrists. I'm also really digging the new SRP Turtles.
+Andrew Poon For sure, I think I will need to get the black and gold version (srp775 I think) such a good looking throwback! Planning on having the comparison vid done in the next couple weeks, thanks for watching :)
After watching your review, I think getting a U1 was the right decision for me :) but I definitely am happy for you and your MM300! Also now I'm totally sure that a Grand Seiko for a dress watch is the way to go for you. It would suit your collection down to the ground! And I totally agree with you about the crown logo. Imagine they put the "X" on the dial. I would have cried! Sure you won't get a Sinn U1 in the near future? lol I'd love to see you review one... Anyway, keep up the great work! Subscribed!
Dominik, haha yes if they put the x on the dial that would be a deal breaker... Would have gone for the older 001. Thanks for subscribing and I'll keep the vids coming. I won't say no to a u1 in the future. I have great respect for Sinn and Damasko... But as you know I'm saving for a dress piece so it wouldn't be for a long while most likely. You should do a review when you get yours!
Bruce, really terrific review, and one I've been looking for as I've been curious/intrigued by the MM300 for quite some time. Unfortunately,, I'm not sure if you pushed me closer to or farther from a purchase! I currently own an OM and a Blumo, both of which I love, especially the Blumo. Not sure if the value proposition is there for the MM,, if it's enough of an upgrade to justify the additional money. Thanks for the thought provoking vid!
+Romeo Toledo Thats the age old question haha! Marinemaster or Sumo. I've owned both (at different times, I sold my Sumo a couple years ago) and really can say both are excellent, and it comes down to preference. Personally I love the MM and don't see myself wearing a Sumo again if I had one back in my collection. The MM hogs my wrist time. Congrats on yours though. The sumo is imo the best value at around $400. Monster is a awesome watch too (had one of them years ago as well)
Great open minded review and it certainly is attractive. Their manufacturing innovations are interesting and aside from not being regulated the question then is can this be serviced locally or by Seiko in Japan.
Thanks for the review and providing some comparison to the SKX as it provides some perspective. At a 6.5" wrist I still think this may be too tall and and chunky for me. The crown X-cross threading has also kept me away.
What a beautiful watch. I was waiting on this review and... woww. I think for me a bit large ( i have a 44 mm Oriënt Mako xl, so maybe i am wrong ) and indeed there is no sapphire but a stunner, Bruce. A beauty
Thanks for the helpful, well balanced, fair, and intelligent review. I do wish it had sapphire and it looks so close to my Orient Saturation Diver and Sumo.
Your very welcome Jeff, thanks for compliment. Although the mm is so independent, I could see the difficulty in owning the orient and sumo in connection with the mm. One or both would likely be sold due to lack of wear. I've not owned the orient, but I do like the mm more than the sumo I used to have
+Jeffrey McMahon I think it really is a matter of steps: From the Sumo up a step to the OSD, up a step to the MM300. Everything I've read says that there are so many little things about the MM300 that add up to it being in a different category. It may even be closer to a Seamaster than it is the OSD. But then again, so much of this is subjective.
I was surprised to learn that the 8L35 movement doesn't have chronometer specifications. The appeal to me for this watch was mainly the movement as I thought it was more or less as accurate as the 9S movement of the Grand Seiko collection. A quick research learned that the accuracy is stated between +15 and -10 seconds which leaves a little to be desired imo. Seiko states that the accuracy of the 6R15 movement is between +25 and -15 seconds which is relative good given the much cheaper price tag.
Yes, they don't submit it for Chronometer certification and the specs sound a little ridiculous. Rest assured its a high quality movement with the same mems tech as the 9s Grand Seiko calibers. It is rather unfinished but very well designed and put together. My 8l always ran within Chronometer specs and had the 4hertz freqency the 6rs dont. Id pick a 8l35 over a similarly priced eta without hesitation
Nice review Bruce. Very cool watch. Didn't know about the hand painted lume, neat touch. Love the design of the case with the integrated back and interesting beveling. Was a bit surprised that it doesn't have a sapphire crystal - maybe a mod company can provide one? I don't own a Seiko diver but like you recommend I'm thinking Sumo/Blumo to start with. Cheers, John
Thanks for commenting John. Yes a sapphire mod is a pretty easy one to find. I guess a lot of people do it. I definitely think sumo is the way to go to start. It has a good movement, incredible finishing and killer lume- all things Seiko is great at. I think it's the best bang for buck diver under 500. Other one to consider is a new Seiko nicknamed the turtle. It's a remake of a popular vintage design. I'll probably end up getting the srp775
+Manmeet Anand Congrats!! One of the best feelings is finally getting that grail piece. I still smile every-time I put mine on :) Let me know what you think of it compared to your other Seikos when it arrives.
+Bruce Williams Hi Bruce! Had the MM for ~ 2 weeks now and finally understood what all the fuss was about. Amazing finishing and looks, a def keeper for me. Pins are a pain though, wish Seiko would re think that. Do you wear it on other straps?
+Manmeet Anand that's awesome I'm happy for you! Yes I would really like Seiko to reexamine the bracelet and update it with nice screw links. I wear my mm on bracelet most, then the factory rubber, then occasionally on NATO, leather, and a polished mesh. Looks awesome on all of them!
Will you be able to compare this to the old mm300? (Especially the lume) I am afraid that the new lume is too green for me and I prefer a white or even a beige one on the old mm300 But don't know if the difference in colour is really that significant I wish I can buy an old mm right now but I am still saving up and I will probably buy an mm in May when I visit Japan Hope I can still find a brand new old version Anyway a great review! One of the most detailed and comprehensive reviews I have ever watched👍🏿
+Anthony Wong I would love to but I don't own, or know anybody local to me that owns an 001 for comparison. If you want to email me at watchbw@gmail.com I would be glad to send you un-altered photos of my 017 in various lighting. It certainly has a slight green tint in daylight.
Good review, I've been mulling the MM for years but still resisting due to my 8" wrists and concern about the small dial. I shopped eBay for years for an SBDD001 which I had never seen prior to that and am ecstatic with it because it is is closer to 46mm and suits my wrist well. BTW you should read up about chronometer certification and Seiko's philosophy and history in this subject. There are good reasons for Seiko NOT pursuing this certification...read up you will be amazed.
It does have a pretty small dial proportionally speaking. I am familiar with COSC requirements as well as Seiko's history with chronometers and the 8l movement. Great comment
Bruce, I think you can give this an A-. I have this watch because it's not a Rolex somewhat hard to get. Just because the movement isn't COSC I can live without a sapphire. Just me though. Your thoughts by the B is what you say. Thanks
My thought is exactly as Bruce, this watch would’ve got an A- or even a solid A, had it got just a regulated movement(no need to be certified by COSC) (my watch gains 11 second per day consistently) and a saphire. If Seiko can put those features in much cheaper watches, then why not on this legendary model?!? As it is a monocoque case, which just makes it more difficult to adjust for accuracy.
Whats the difference on Marinemaster SBDX001 and this SBDX017? This is new and improved model? I really like Marinemaster and this was really good review.
Thanks, yes this is the newer version. The main differences are: the new one has diashield coating, new longer lasting lume, a signed prospex crown, mems manufacturing in the movement, and a metal keeper on the included rubber strap. I love mine!
This vs Omega 300 vs that red tutor? All the watches you've reviewed. Tell me your favorite I've tried on the other 2 but not the seiko. Would like your thoughts?
I would say I think the MM is arguably the most beautiful, unique and cool piece. The Tudor nails the comfortable versatile aspect, and the Omega is probably the nicest and my choice of the bunch. Cheers Joe
Hi Bruce, I just don't understand Seiko's thought process when they designed the mm300 (sbdx001) which I own, I am referring to the crown thread operation it really is the heart in the mouth time when threading back which tends to come to a stop way before full lock down, as I am not heavy handed I unscrew and start again, the crown operation on my sumo is a delight to use and a much cheaper watch just madness and in a way puts me of the watch plus wearing it too as I don't then have to face the crown issue shame really.
+Philip Seiler Philip, yes I owned a 'Shogun' a couple years ago (I had the original sbdc007) and unfortunately I didn't enjoy it as much as others have. It seems to be very respected in the watch-forums. The one I owned scratched fairly easily even with the diashield coating (most likely because it is titanium) I will admit it is very light, and comfortable but there were a few things that kept me from really liking it. The bezel action felt sticky and not well made (again don't know if it was a titanium on steel connection) and $800 is a lot to pay for that movement. I was actually much happier with the Sumo than the shogun, (same movement, same excellent finish work, same great lume, half the price) Thanks for asking!
Wonderful review! A really manly watch! Just great, functional, substantial, tough design without being ridiculously bulky or gaudy. Really interesting case design... conservative enough to look classic, tasteful but also unique and very "seiko" looking. Interesting that there's really almost no crown guard for being otherwise a really tank-like design. Cons: Disappointing case back. Lack of sapphire (yet again, but that's seiko) Pros: I'm loving the design. The tall profile. All the cons are small picky things that many people can ignore... (ie. questionable bracelet, no sapphire, etc)
Haha, no... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I have no video talent... but I'm telling you, your reviews are extremely good. You're going right to the top... I'm honored to have discovered you when you only have 900 followers... best of luck!
+Fred T sorry Fred, not trying to sound sarcastic. You thought through the pros and cons subjectively - just solid analysis. I think you could do reviews if you wanted. I appreciate the kind words. I'm a huge watch fan that decided I might as well share my watches on TH-cam, as I enjoy watching watch videos myself. It's been a pretty fun process. Cheers!
Love the vids Bruce, legit. Keep them coming. I have a Seiko Prospex SRP637, Rolex Submariner, Pepsi GMT, a Sinn and some other pieces. I really want this watch, but is it truly worth the 2K. I want this watch so bad. Let me know bro.
+Christian T. Peralta Thanks man I appreciate that. Well this is just my opinion but YES. By far one of my all time favorite watches and a joy to use. Its really dynamic and needs to be seen in person to truly appreciate. Mine is a keeper. I owned a 114060 a couple years ago and I enjoy my mm just as much as I ever did my sub
I enjoyed your video. I just wanted to ask you should I buy it on amazon or go to a certified seiko dealer? And more importantly is that an American model for the American market or is that watch reimported from overseas that bears a Asian model number that won't have a warranty in america?
Thanks Miro. I bought mine from Japan from a website called seiyajapan.com Its technically a Japanese Domestic Market model but the Seiko boutique stores in the US also sell it here. So I would imagine the warranty is worldwide.
Nice review. The MM300 looks nicely finished but I've never been a big fan. I tried it on at the Seiko boutique and it wears very big and tall. Plus looks a bit too similar to a submariner or other typical diver for me, I prefer the unique looks of the Tuna or the value proposition of the SKX.
FAQ when wearing a sub, usually in this exact order: 1) Is that a Rolex? 2) Is it real? 3) How much was it? and sometimes 4) You spend THAT much on a watch?! Seiya here I come!
Very nice piece of steel but no sapphire glas is a big downfall. Its a killer argument for buying one.. o bought myself a Davosa Argonautic black dial with some yellow. Its very very nice and it has sapphire glass and ceramic bezel insert and this for 650 buck. You should take close look at it
Thanks Jeremy, I hear you. Saving for one myself. I recommended to my local luxury AD that they should pick up GS. (No one in Utah has them) and was met with some funny looks haha
Thank you for the excellent video. I'd been on the fence about this watch mainly because I was afraid it would wear ridiculously large. You've allayed my fears - my wrist is exactly the same size as yours and the MM looks great on your wrist. Thanks for the SKX comparison - I've also got a 009 on exactly the same NATO, so that was helpful too. Now you've had the watch for 6 months and the honeymoon period is over, is it still a favourite of your collection?
Yes, I've worn it at least 5 days a week since getting it. Wearing it now in fact. I still absolutely love it. I'm planning on doing a 6 month update video some time this month :)
please please do that video lol urs is so far the best vids on this great watch, hv watched both many times thinking abt pulling the trigger on this except only my wrist is sub 7 inches.. might end up with the shogun
Thats a stunning watch, beautiful and rock solid. When you have a 2k seiko, you know it will survive a nuclear blast. Too bad about the crystal, but i know for a fact that hardlex is one tough sob. Like you say, the bracelet could be a bit better, but it looks solid enough. Maybe a dumb question, if you have to service it how do you reach the movement? Great watch with bags of character
Not a dumb question at all. You have to take off the crystal, hands, dial, and access the movement through the top. Its not ideal. Its also not a common movement, so apart from Seiko there is only one other place I would feel confident sending the watch to for a routine service
I owned rolex and i would go back to seiko no hands down seiko is a work horse rolex you have to baby it these watches are meant for action where ever you go its like they say Rolex impress others Seiko impress yourself in less the person is a watch buff beautiful watch sir thanks
Just for the record. I am wachdeaaler and sell the watch. They do regulate the watch, also the cheaper Prospex. However they do not regulate it like a chronometerwatch.
On the Seiya website they have put a disclaimer 'The chapter ring and index & bezel index and face index not being aligned perfectly. In general, Seiko's screw down crowns are not smooth as Swiss manufactures'. Bruce, does your piece show any signs of this? Slightly puts you off ordering one!
Yes I've seen the disclaimer. As many things great as Seiko does they do seem to have trouble with getting the bezel/chapter ring to line up. Mine lines up perfectly but I have seen them misaligned on lesser priced models. My turtle is really off
More of the MM300 please! One thing. You mentioned about having good experiences with Hardlex Crystal even though you would prefer sapphire.. What did you mean by this? Please share you stories :)
+wjdghaks No problem! I do prefer sapphire for the most part. However Seiko's hardlex crystal, to me, is just as clear as a sapphire and I've only managed to scratch one over the years. I've had a lot of the divers (SKX, Turtle, Monster, Sumo, Shogun, MM) and I'm pretty tough on my watches, I never baby them or hold back. Of them all I've only managed to put a hairline mark on my SKX. I believe the more expensive models also have a higher grade hardlex with anti-reflective treatment so it looks just as sharp as sapphire. So, from my experiences with the various hardlex crystals over the years..... overall very positive, and completely in line with my experiences with Sapphire (only put a hairline or two in those types as well) They survive my every activity and abuse with flying colors :)
+Bruce Williams You might be happy to know, I ordered my MM300 last night,, decision heavily influenced by your very helpful review. Thank you once again! I'm so excited and I can't wait for it to arrive :D
After watching this review for the 5th time by now, I forgot to mention that I think that the Hardlex crystal is not a negative. I think it has better optical attributes to it and it is more shatter proof than sapphire. I think you can complain about it once you managed to get it scratched up. Though I haven't heard of one scratched Hardlex crystal (in the MM300) yet. Seiko uses a higher grade of Hardlex in their higher end models. It's definitely not the same as in their SKX line. Furthermore it's in Seikos DNA and I like that they try to approach the whole crystal matter differently. We are just used to sapphire but that doesn't mean it's the only way to go IMO. The second thing I would like to add is that a big online watch seller I contacted recently asked Seiko about the 8L35 movement and he assured me that Seiko themselves said that they DO regulate the movement (by now)! So it isn't unregulated (anymore). Hope this helps you to now love the MM even more :)
Hey thanks! I did not know about varying hardlex grades or that Seiko starter adjusting the movements. Awesome! I've owned many hardlex over the years and only managed to scratch one (my skx recently) and yes I do love it more.... It's one of those watches you enjoy the more you wear and learn about it. Hope you enjoy the same with your incoming. Thanks mu friend
You know it's doing really well. No marks whatsoever on the Crystal. I have managed to put a little wear into the bracket clasp and case. I'm planning on doing a 6 month update in a couple weeks. I love it even more than ever haha
Between this and the grand seiko sbgr051 which do you advise me to buy for a good watch that i will keep my entire life , i kinda like the GS more than any of the watches , is absolutely perfect but it will keep the shining through time... and there is a big difference of price like 1200 or 1400 $ between them
+Stoica Mihai Yes, very big jump in price. I think both are generational quality. But that being said the SBGR I think makes a better case for a 'forever' watch. It has a traditional 37mm size, and absolutely exquisite finish work. The movement is nicer as well- beautifully decorated with a 72 hour power reserve and adjusted to 6 positions and temps. (Higher than COSC standards) So they both would last a lifetime, but I think the GS would weather the time in a more timeless way. I'm heavily considering the sbgr053 for myself)
+Cannibal Ronny Thanks, I appreciate that. To be honest I've never handled the OSD in person. So my opinion is just based on what I've read/seen. I like the Orient a lot and think what you get for the price is incredible. I considered it briefly for myself but knew from reviews it would be too big for me. The heft and height are very significant. As far as I can tell the finishing is excellent and I like the pr complication. If you bought one you would be getting great value and a really nice tool watch. But for my preferences (size/design/history) I much prefer the MM. As far as spec wise though they are very comparable, they even have the same ratcheting clasp mechanism. Lastly I don't know much about the movement Orient uses, but I do know the 8L35 in the Seiko is incredible. 28800 BPH, 50 hr power reserve, large balance assembly with a proprietary hairspring and lossier inner coil. Mine is running +2-3 sec per day.
Bruce Williams ThankYou Sir for your reply and the excellent explanation that came along with it.I am sure I will have the pleasure of watching you review many more watches in times to come,Good Day.
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I'm sorry, I come back to this video after 4 years and it's still tugging at my heartstrings are a beautiful and fantastic watch :)
Thank you for your review. I realized how much I missed my Seiko Marinemaster SBDX001 and SBDB001. So out of the blue, I decided to buy both of them back at SBDX017, and SBDB011 this week, sunk in almost $6g for the two of them. Now they both come with Diashield which I cannot tell at all, I don't see the difference in terms of color of the metal. You are definitely right about these Marinemasters, they are very well built and the moment I realized the new SLA021 does not have Marinemaster written across the dial, I had to find the latest SBDX017 and just buy one before it is all gone! Great Review!!!
This watch is Stealth Wealth at its finest
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger next week....thanks for this in depth review, peace!
Dude, your a bit of a legend for your honest and spot on assessment at the end. I also have an mm300 and i pretty much agree with you 100%, its a stunning watch that is almost perfect aesthetically but as you said it has those few flaws that really should have been addressed in the updated model you bought. the addition of diashield, whilst nice, definitely wasnt needed ahead of things like a better bracelet and clasp, sapphire and adjusted movt. A ti option would be killer as well since the watch wears very top heavy for its size.
Great job man!
Thanks Albert, I appreciate that. Your comments are spot on.... It might be a long while before another update but let's hope Seiko addresses those points! Enjoy yours my friend 👍
+TeensierPython - the spring drive gs divers are ruined with the ugly pr meters for mine otherwise id agree they are perfect otherwise. actually the quartz gs diver comes closest but the price is too much even given it has the bespoke thermo movt. the mm300 is actually perfect looking, its just outdated in the way its made and im still surprised seiko didnt give it the modern overhaul it deserves. the competition has moved well on...
Albert Kelly Don’t you mean regulated movement instead of adjusted?
Excellent review. One of the most thorough, with the right sensibilities, watch reviews I've seen.
Thanks for the review, especially the size comparison with the SKX. I think you covered everything one needs to know about the watch in an enthusiastic and very objective manner. This watch has been on my mind for over a year, and I think it'll soon be time to get one!
Thanks for watching and the compliment. It sure is an enjoyable watch, and I think you will like it just as much as I do. Cheers!
One of those watches that is on the radar. Very enjoyable review / watch. 😉👍
Hey thanks, I appreciate it. It's definitely a cool one
The crystal is actually pretty protected as it sits around 1mm below the bezel. Also I think it looks way superior over sapphire crystal (reflections are pretty massive, but its great under water and its clearly a wanted design aspect to this watch), less likely to shatter and it also lets 98% percent less sunlight bleach your dial compared to sapphire. Mine runs 5s+/d also, gotta love this watch.
recently purchased blue lagoon samurai and im totally in love wit it.
mm300 is my next purchase for sure.
Awesome review!
Hey I just bought the blue lagoon too, took a little getting used to but i love it, now found the MM300 and want one of those.
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Love your video reviews Bruce. I am officially saving up to contemplate getting a MM 300 but first I would like to see one in the flesh since the price on this piece has jumped considerable since your video.
Seiko sure has its own magic, its own allure. Beautiful watch, fine review.
Excelent review! Very professional and you covered every angle very complete! Would love to see an in depth review of the Seiko Sumo! Congrats!
+Fausto Padilla Thank you very much. I think it would be a great video to compare the Sumo and MM, maybe someday.
Great video!
I have wanted one for the longest time. I sold a Sinn U1 for the reasons of bulkiness and I hope the MM300 is a little better in this area. Thanks for the vid!
Hi Bruce, thanks to your videos, I finally bought a SBDX017.
Great review Bruce, been waiting for this since your unboxing!
Firstly wow, it's simply stunning. There's just something about all the little nuances Seiko have incorporated from their ( as you elegantly phrased) 'rich heritage' that just makes it so aesthetically appealing. I love the angles of the monocoque case and the fact it differs to most dive watches due to the innovative design to prevent helium from entering the case.
With regards to the few negatives of the watch you pointed out I honestly believe Seiko didn't use sapphire crystal or regulate the movement not for practical diving reasons but for a commercial ones. If they had done that the mm300 would have then been competing too closely with the Grand Seiko diver range and would have had a big impact on those sales. I believe (and think Seiko do too) a lot of potential grand Seiko diver customers would instead opt for the mm300 if it had sapphire crystal and or a regulated movement.
I agree the X on the crown could have been thought out a bit better. A cool thing about it though is if you look closely it is in fact a 'P' and 'S' (ProSpex) that make up the X logo.
All in all you can see why this watch is so revered by watch enthusiasts. It has a classic, vintage appearance derived from a strong diver heritage and this newer model like you pointed out is infused with the latest Seiko technology such as MEMS and the new LumiBrite.
Again it was an excellent review and I look forward to seeing more of the sbdx017 on your channel.
+Jay K Jay, thanks for watching and for the comment, I think they are very valid points. I never noticed the P and S made up the logo before. Haha I like it a little more now!
I know its easy to nit-pick and complain about what we wish brands or models would or wouldn't do. All in all this watch is wonderful, and I am happy to live with the little nuances that come along with it.
More to come, cheers
After looking around for sometime. I just ran into one of these at the Seiko watch section, After tried out for a while, Now I am also a satisfied owner of SBDX017. Very happy with it. One of the factor that made me bought it is your review Thank you!
+Leturane Congrats on your new MM! And thanks for the kind words. I'm loving mine, on wrist now as I type
If Seiko added everything you are talking about it would be a $3000 watch and not a $2000 piece anymore. At $3K they would not sell nearly as many pieces as they do now....which is probably not a lot if we are being honest. It's also important to remember that this piece is a "throwback" to the 6159 so Seiko is looking to maintain the heritage to a degree and that is why the crystal is hardlex and why their is no sapphire or ceramic bezel and why the links on the bracelet are longer (although the 6159 didn't come with a bracelet AT ALL!). Frankly, the more I wear my MM300, the more amazed I am that it ONLY costs what it does.
Brilliant video! I like the fact you came out with the bad points along with the good ones. Anyone considering this watch would tip them over to buying it with this informative review.
Thanks Neil. Always helpful to hear the full spectrum bot just the good. Planing on doing an 6month update soon. Still in love
Very informative review. I really appreciate the research and thought you put into this. You may have just tipped me into getting one!
Thanks! Its a pretty sweet watch
beautiful review. not lengthy at all, very apt and informative and since it covers everything about the lovely watch, it had to have the required length. My MM300 is on its way and i cant wait man..
Great review! This is on my radar. I have the skx009, new turtle, and the samurai. Can't go wrong with Seiko divers!
You have an excellent core, I'm sure you would enjoy this one my friend. Thanks for commenting
Hi, that's the best review of the MM I've see. Been wanting this watch for a few years now (am a big Seiko automatic fan). This review has helped me a lot, the only thing holding me back is there so hard to get hold of in the UK, I'd have to buy on line, and at this price I'd like to see it in the flesh first. Thanks again great review. P.S isn't the SKX just an incredible watch!! Never tire of wearing mine.
Thanks, that's very kind. I'm with you... Big Seiko automatic fan as well. I hear that fairly often with other UK watch fans... Tough and expensive to source. Hope you can see one in the flesh. I'm loving mine!
Bruce,Great review. Your opinions on Seiko are spot on! I have the Shogun and Seiko Ananta Multi-hand and love them. I was going to get a BLUMO but may pull the trigger on the MM300.
Thanks, I appreciate that. Nice collection btw! I love my mm, wearing it now as I type
Excellent review! Objective and to the point. Although I'm currently in love with my Omega Seamaster I'm a big fan of Seiko divers and I own a couple - an acquired taste indeed. I was actually very, very close to getting a Marinemaster but in the end I was turned off (forever) by the fact that it's not regulated while it has a mono-block construction. While I assume it would be possible to have it regulated, it would certainly have to go back to Seiko and personally I would hate to have my brand new diver watch taken apart!
Great honest review! Thanks! I have got mine MM as used watch and much under $1800. Love it!
That's great to hear, a great price makes the deal even sweeter!
I'm pretty sure you can get the bezel buffed out if you wanted to spend the money. I think it's worth it. I already own two Seiko's my favorite is my Seiko SSC017P1 Diver in the blue accents. I plan on getting one of these Bad Boys in my collection. I also own my first Orient Orange MakoXL CEM7500-1M. I plan on getting a few more of the Orient's in my collection as well. I liked your video. It really helped with showing more of the watch and the description. Great video. Keep them coming. Happy Hunting.
Michael, thanks very much. I think you have a great start to your collection. It's amazing the value for money these great Japanese brands offer. I will keep the vids coming, thanks 👍
+Bruce Williams Thank You. I can't wait to get started.
This is my second time watching you video. I do agree about you grading a B for it. Not to many people will like this BAD ASS Seiko time piece, but Not mine. I really like Seiko a lot after getting a few in my collection. I made up mind and decided to pull the trigger and get one. I will have to save for it cause I do not have a lot of money, but I think the more save the more I will appreciated it. So I'm on the hunt and I WILL own one. Your video was the turning point for me to appreciate Seiko's more and my Seiko SSC017P1 with the blue accents. Thank You Bro.
Michael, good choice man. Trust me it will be worth the wait, and like you said you will appreciate it more. It's a seriously cool watch, I'm wearing mine as I type. Thanks for watching again and I hope everything goes well!
+Bruce Williams Thanks Bro. You as well.
Great review I think you may have talked me out of it with the few negatives! I have the $500 Seiko scuba 6R15 air divers & it’s really nice with the orange face I had now well over 5 years.the sbdx017 is a eye catcher. $1.900 something to think about. Thanks
What a fantastic and substantial review. Well done Bruce. It looks absolutely fantastic and I look forward to more videos about the Marine Master! The Sapphire and pins are disappointing at this price and I understand that they stand by the hardlex, but the added scratch resistance is just something your everyday wearer is expecting here I think. Even if it just consumer perception. Have a great weekend!
Thanks CG, you as well!
Great review, I've been drooling over the updated MM300 👍
Thanks, it's a sweet one!
Such a beautiful watch, Bruce. I know I'll get this eventually, just not sure when. My lone hesitation is the weight. I really prefer watches that weight 120 - 180 grams, and I think this is well over 200, but it sounds like it is comfortable nonetheless.
By the way, a sapphire mod will probably cost you only $50-80.
I think they upgraded the crown a few years ago, that the complaints were from older models.
Don't worry about the little scratches...they bring character.
+Jonny Casual Thanks Jonny. It is pretty hefty. Taking it off the bracelet certainly sheds some weight. I'd like to get a nice brown leather to wear with it casually on occasion. Similar to what you are doing with your Breitling.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on it when you do get one. I think it would go really well alongside your Omegas and Breitlings. A good black on black beauty you are currently lacking.
Excited for your decade movie lists btw
Bruce Williams
Yeah, I'm really lacking a black-on-black watch, at least since I sold my quartz Seamaster a couple months ago. And I agree that it would be a nice complement to the Omegas and Breitlings.
Another great review. I really appreciate you doing a side by side comparison against the SKX, a watch I am very familiar with as I have several. I still believe this is still a bit too tall for my wrists. I'm also really digging the new SRP Turtles.
+Andrew Poon For sure, I think I will need to get the black and gold version (srp775 I think) such a good looking throwback! Planning on having the comparison vid done in the next couple weeks, thanks for watching :)
After watching your review, I think getting a U1 was the right decision for me :) but I definitely am happy for you and your MM300! Also now I'm totally sure that a Grand Seiko for a dress watch is the way to go for you. It would suit your collection down to the ground!
And I totally agree with you about the crown logo. Imagine they put the "X" on the dial. I would have cried!
Sure you won't get a Sinn U1 in the near future? lol I'd love to see you review one...
Anyway, keep up the great work! Subscribed!
Dominik, haha yes if they put the x on the dial that would be a deal breaker... Would have gone for the older 001. Thanks for subscribing and I'll keep the vids coming. I won't say no to a u1 in the future. I have great respect for Sinn and Damasko... But as you know I'm saving for a dress piece so it wouldn't be for a long while most likely. You should do a review when you get yours!
Bruce, really terrific review, and one I've been looking for as I've been curious/intrigued by the MM300 for quite some time. Unfortunately,, I'm not sure if you pushed me closer to or farther from a purchase! I currently own an OM and a Blumo, both of which I love, especially the Blumo. Not sure if the value proposition is there for the MM,, if it's enough of an upgrade to justify the additional money. Thanks for the thought provoking vid!
+Romeo Toledo Thats the age old question haha! Marinemaster or Sumo. I've owned both (at different times, I sold my Sumo a couple years ago) and really can say both are excellent, and it comes down to preference. Personally I love the MM and don't see myself wearing a Sumo again if I had one back in my collection. The MM hogs my wrist time. Congrats on yours though. The sumo is imo the best value at around $400. Monster is a awesome watch too (had one of them years ago as well)
Bruce, relieved to learn that it still winds while you're screwing down the crown. I was afraid I'd broken the Sumo.
+Michael Powell Yes I believe all the newer prospex models are now standard that way. A little alarming at first if you didn't know about it haha
Great open minded review and it certainly is attractive. Their manufacturing innovations are interesting and aside from not being regulated the question then is can this be serviced locally or by Seiko in Japan.
Agree about the sapphire, but would rather have a ceramic or sapphire covered bezel.
Thanks
That would be ideal
Actually that Marinemaster looks fine on your wrist, but that size is your limit. Great video!
I have a sbdx001 and a sbdx001 in my collection. 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for the review and providing some comparison to the SKX as it provides some perspective. At a 6.5" wrist I still think this may be too tall and and chunky for me. The crown X-cross threading has also kept me away.
+mikem2277 Yes, its certainly not for everyone. But dang! it sure is an intriguing piece. Thanks for watching and commenting
Found myself nodding several times.
Exemplary work!
Thank you!
What a beautiful watch. I was waiting on this review and... woww. I think for me a bit large ( i have a 44 mm Oriënt Mako xl, so maybe i am wrong ) and indeed there is no sapphire but a stunner, Bruce. A beauty
+AjaxForever Thanks a lot! If you could pull off an Mako XL you could pull the MM off if you wanted
Thanks for your thorough review of this beautiful watch.
Your welcome
Great in depth review. Thank you very much for this.
Your most welcome
It flies so well under the radar here in Oz that you can't currently buy one!
In my opinion, the Hardlex works better than you would expect.. Nice MM300!
Thanks for the helpful, well balanced, fair, and intelligent review. I do wish it had sapphire and it looks so close to my Orient Saturation Diver and Sumo.
Your very welcome Jeff, thanks for compliment. Although the mm is so independent, I could see the difficulty in owning the orient and sumo in connection with the mm. One or both would likely be sold due to lack of wear. I've not owned the orient, but I do like the mm more than the sumo I used to have
+Jeffrey McMahon I think it really is a matter of steps: From the Sumo up a step to the OSD, up a step to the MM300. Everything I've read says that there are so many little things about the MM300 that add up to it being in a different category. It may even be closer to a Seamaster than it is the OSD. But then again, so much of this is subjective.
The gap isn't dramatic enough between the OSD and the MM300 for me to make the jump.
Jeffrey McMahon That is probably wise. I feel, though, that the MM300 has enough extra touches in terms of finishing to make it dramatic enough
Probably, but I'm content enough with the OSD.
Nice crown but no guard probably due to the shape of the case. Lovely timepiece, enjoy it. Great video as well, thanks 😀
Nice review, Bruce. Is this MM300 SBDX013 as top heavy as the Breitling Avenger II Seawolf?
I was surprised to learn that the 8L35 movement doesn't have chronometer specifications. The appeal to me for this watch was mainly the movement as I thought it was more or less as accurate as the 9S movement of the Grand Seiko collection. A quick research learned that the accuracy is stated between +15 and -10 seconds which leaves a little to be desired imo. Seiko states that the accuracy of the 6R15 movement is between +25 and -15 seconds which is relative good given the much cheaper price tag.
Yes, they don't submit it for Chronometer certification and the specs sound a little ridiculous. Rest assured its a high quality movement with the same mems tech as the 9s Grand Seiko calibers. It is rather unfinished but very well designed and put together. My 8l always ran within Chronometer specs and had the 4hertz freqency the 6rs dont. Id pick a 8l35 over a similarly priced eta without hesitation
Nice review Bruce. Very cool watch. Didn't know about the hand painted lume, neat touch. Love the design of the case with the integrated back and interesting beveling. Was a bit surprised that it doesn't have a sapphire crystal - maybe a mod company can provide one? I don't own a Seiko diver but like you recommend I'm thinking Sumo/Blumo to start with. Cheers, John
Thanks for commenting John. Yes a sapphire mod is a pretty easy one to find. I guess a lot of people do it. I definitely think sumo is the way to go to start. It has a good movement, incredible finishing and killer lume- all things Seiko is great at. I think it's the best bang for buck diver under 500. Other one to consider is a new Seiko nicknamed the turtle. It's a remake of a popular vintage design. I'll probably end up getting the srp775
Very good review. Have one on order now :)
Have a Sumo and other Seikos, but this is the bomb. Grail achieved!
+Manmeet Anand Congrats!! One of the best feelings is finally getting that grail piece. I still smile every-time I put mine on :) Let me know what you think of it compared to your other Seikos when it arrives.
+Bruce Williams
Hi Bruce! Had the MM for ~ 2 weeks now and finally understood what all the fuss was about. Amazing finishing and looks, a def keeper for me. Pins are a pain though, wish Seiko would re think that. Do you wear it on other straps?
+Manmeet Anand that's awesome I'm happy for you! Yes I would really like Seiko to reexamine the bracelet and update it with nice screw links. I wear my mm on bracelet most, then the factory rubber, then occasionally on NATO, leather, and a polished mesh. Looks awesome on all of them!
I was hoping someone would make a review of this in English for some time now. I hope you'll continue to update on how it wears over time.
I sure will. Thanks for watching, still loving mine and it's on my wrist as I type :)
Oh and my wrist size is 7.25"
Will you be able to compare this to the old mm300? (Especially the lume)
I am afraid that the new lume is too green for me and I prefer a white or even a beige one on the old mm300
But don't know if the difference in colour is really that significant
I wish I can buy an old mm right now but I am still saving up and I will probably buy an mm in May when I visit Japan
Hope I can still find a brand new old version
Anyway a great review!
One of the most detailed and comprehensive reviews I have ever watched👍🏿
+Anthony Wong I would love to but I don't own, or know anybody local to me that owns an 001 for comparison. If you want to email me at watchbw@gmail.com I would be glad to send you un-altered photos of my 017 in various lighting. It certainly has a slight green tint in daylight.
Good review, I've been mulling the MM for years but still resisting due to my 8" wrists and concern about the small dial.
I shopped eBay for years for an SBDD001 which I had never seen prior to that and am ecstatic with it because it is is closer to 46mm and suits my wrist well. BTW you should read up about chronometer certification and Seiko's philosophy and history in this subject. There are good reasons for Seiko NOT pursuing this certification...read up you will be amazed.
It does have a pretty small dial proportionally speaking. I am familiar with COSC requirements as well as Seiko's history with chronometers and the 8l movement. Great comment
Bruce, I think you can give this an A-. I have this watch because it's not a Rolex somewhat hard to get. Just because the movement isn't COSC I can live without a sapphire. Just me though. Your thoughts by the B is what you say. Thanks
My thought is exactly as Bruce, this watch would’ve got an A- or even a solid A, had it got just a regulated movement(no need to be certified by COSC) (my watch gains 11 second per day consistently) and a saphire. If Seiko can put those features in much cheaper watches, then why not on this legendary model?!?
As it is a monocoque case, which just makes it more difficult to adjust for accuracy.
Whats the difference on Marinemaster SBDX001 and this SBDX017? This is new and improved model? I really like Marinemaster and this was really good review.
Thanks, yes this is the newer version. The main differences are: the new one has diashield coating, new longer lasting lume, a signed prospex crown, mems manufacturing in the movement, and a metal keeper on the included rubber strap. I love mine!
all that said it's a beautiful watch and the best review I've seen on this watch
Thanks very much
This vs Omega 300 vs that red tutor? All the watches you've reviewed. Tell me your favorite I've tried on the other 2 but not the seiko. Would like your thoughts?
I would say I think the MM is arguably the most beautiful, unique and cool piece. The Tudor nails the comfortable versatile aspect, and the Omega is probably the nicest and my choice of the bunch. Cheers Joe
Bruce Williams interesting
Hi Bruce, I just don't understand Seiko's thought process when they designed the mm300 (sbdx001) which I own, I am referring to the crown thread operation it really is the heart in the mouth time when threading back which tends to come to a stop way before full lock down, as I am not heavy handed I unscrew and start again, the crown operation on my sumo is a delight to use and a much cheaper watch just madness and in a way puts me of the watch plus wearing it too as I don't then have to face the crown issue shame really.
Hi Bruce, excellent review. Have you ever conceded the Seiko SBDC029 Titanium watch?
+Philip Seiler Philip, yes I owned a 'Shogun' a couple years ago (I had the original sbdc007) and unfortunately I didn't enjoy it as much as others have. It seems to be very respected in the watch-forums. The one I owned scratched fairly easily even with the diashield coating (most likely because it is titanium) I will admit it is very light, and comfortable but there were a few things that kept me from really liking it. The bezel action felt sticky and not well made (again don't know if it was a titanium on steel connection) and $800 is a lot to pay for that movement. I was actually much happier with the Sumo than the shogun, (same movement, same excellent finish work, same great lume, half the price) Thanks for asking!
This is a lovely watch. Question is do I sell my Speedmaster to get one. You have me thinking now.
Wonderful review!
A really manly watch! Just great, functional, substantial, tough design without being ridiculously bulky or gaudy. Really interesting case design... conservative enough to look classic, tasteful but also unique and very "seiko" looking. Interesting that there's really almost no crown guard for being otherwise a really tank-like design.
Cons: Disappointing case back. Lack of sapphire (yet again, but that's seiko)
Pros: I'm loving the design. The tall profile. All the cons are small picky things that many people can ignore... (ie. questionable bracelet, no sapphire, etc)
+Fred T Excellent analysis Fred, you should be making youtube reviews.
Haha, no... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I have no video talent... but I'm telling you, your reviews are extremely good. You're going right to the top... I'm honored to have discovered you when you only have 900 followers... best of luck!
+Fred T sorry Fred, not trying to sound sarcastic. You thought through the pros and cons subjectively - just solid analysis. I think you could do reviews if you wanted. I appreciate the kind words. I'm a huge watch fan that decided I might as well share my watches on TH-cam, as I enjoy watching watch videos myself. It's been a pretty fun process. Cheers!
Should I get this or a SUMO padi? I currently have a franken monster, starfish & arriving green turtle today. :]
Love the vids Bruce, legit. Keep them coming. I have a Seiko Prospex SRP637, Rolex Submariner, Pepsi GMT, a Sinn and some other pieces. I really want this watch, but is it truly worth the 2K. I want this watch so bad. Let me know bro.
+Christian T. Peralta Thanks man I appreciate that. Well this is just my opinion but YES. By far one of my all time favorite watches and a joy to use. Its really dynamic and needs to be seen in person to truly appreciate. Mine is a keeper. I owned a 114060 a couple years ago and I enjoy my mm just as much as I ever did my sub
Thanks for the review. That watch is awesome!!
I enjoyed your video. I just wanted to ask you should I buy it on amazon or go to a certified seiko dealer? And more importantly is that an American model for the American market or is that watch reimported from overseas that bears a Asian model number that won't have a warranty in america?
Thanks Miro. I bought mine from Japan from a website called seiyajapan.com Its technically a Japanese Domestic Market model but the Seiko boutique stores in the US also sell it here. So I would imagine the warranty is worldwide.
I love the mesh strap - any chance of sharing the name / amazon link?
Nice review. The MM300 looks nicely finished but I've never been a big fan. I tried it on at the Seiko boutique and it wears very big and tall. Plus looks a bit too similar to a submariner or other typical diver for me, I prefer the unique looks of the Tuna or the value proposition of the SKX.
+chillwill120 Thanks for commenting. I love the Tuna, would like to get one in the collection someday. Also a big fan of the SKX, I have an 009
chillwill120 looks like a submariner? If your Stevie wonder maybe...
Adb07d compared to a Tuna it does.
FAQ when wearing a sub, usually in this exact order:
1) Is that a Rolex?
2) Is it real?
3) How much was it?
and sometimes
4) You spend THAT much on a watch?!
Seiya here I come!
Lol I can see that!
Very nice piece of steel but no sapphire glas is a big downfall. Its a killer argument for buying one.. o bought myself a Davosa Argonautic black dial with some yellow. Its very very nice and it has sapphire glass and ceramic bezel insert and this for 650 buck. You should take close look at it
Love the Marine Master! Great video. Think I'll save up for the GS though.
Thanks Jeremy, I hear you. Saving for one myself. I recommended to my local luxury AD that they should pick up GS. (No one in Utah has them) and was met with some funny looks haha
Bruce Williams they don't know
Thank you for the excellent video.
I'd been on the fence about this watch mainly because I was afraid it would wear ridiculously large.
You've allayed my fears - my wrist is exactly the same size as yours and the MM looks great on your wrist.
Thanks for the SKX comparison - I've also got a 009 on exactly the same NATO, so that was helpful too.
Now you've had the watch for 6 months and the honeymoon period is over, is it still a favourite of your collection?
Yes, I've worn it at least 5 days a week since getting it. Wearing it now in fact. I still absolutely love it. I'm planning on doing a 6 month update video some time this month :)
+Bruce Williams Great! I'll look forward to that.
please please do that video lol
urs is so far the best vids on this great watch, hv watched both many times
thinking abt pulling the trigger on this except only my wrist is sub 7 inches.. might end up with the shogun
Planing on filming it this week Ane Urme. I wish seiko offered a 40-42 mm nice diver. They are missing one in the mid tier market for sure
Good review thank you
Thats a stunning watch, beautiful and rock solid. When you have a 2k seiko, you know it will survive a nuclear blast. Too bad about the crystal, but i know for a fact that hardlex is one tough sob. Like you say, the bracelet could be a bit better, but it looks solid enough. Maybe a dumb question, if you have to service it how do you reach the movement? Great watch with bags of character
Not a dumb question at all. You have to take off the crystal, hands, dial, and access the movement through the top. Its not ideal. Its also not a common movement, so apart from Seiko there is only one other place I would feel confident sending the watch to for a routine service
Thanks for the fantastic video
I owned rolex and i would go back to seiko no hands down seiko is a work horse rolex you have to baby it these watches are meant for action where ever you go its like they say Rolex impress others Seiko impress yourself in less the person is a watch buff beautiful watch sir thanks
Good review sir!
Thanks!
Just for the record. I am wachdeaaler and sell the watch. They do regulate the watch, also the cheaper Prospex. However they do not regulate it like a chronometerwatch.
Thanks for letting me know I asked Seiko but they never respond to me haha. Cheers Andre
André Stenstrup also there is some decoration just not to level of a Grand Seiko.
Why is it so much? Pins, no sapphire or ceramic? Those choices are functional, but why so expensive
great review and love that watch!
On the Seiya website they have put a disclaimer 'The chapter ring and index & bezel index and face index not being aligned perfectly. In general, Seiko's screw down crowns are not smooth as Swiss manufactures'. Bruce, does your piece show any signs of this? Slightly puts you off ordering one!
Yes I've seen the disclaimer. As many things great as Seiko does they do seem to have trouble with getting the bezel/chapter ring to line up. Mine lines up perfectly but I have seen them misaligned on lesser priced models. My turtle is really off
Yep - kinda long... :)
But I watched it anyway!
Great review - thanks for making it!
More of the MM300 please!
One thing. You mentioned about having good experiences with Hardlex Crystal even though you would prefer sapphire.. What did you mean by this? Please share you stories :)
+wjdghaks No problem! I do prefer sapphire for the most part. However Seiko's hardlex crystal, to me, is just as clear as a sapphire and I've only managed to scratch one over the years. I've had a lot of the divers (SKX, Turtle, Monster, Sumo, Shogun, MM) and I'm pretty tough on my watches, I never baby them or hold back. Of them all I've only managed to put a hairline mark on my SKX. I believe the more expensive models also have a higher grade hardlex with anti-reflective treatment so it looks just as sharp as sapphire. So, from my experiences with the various hardlex crystals over the years..... overall very positive, and completely in line with my experiences with Sapphire (only put a hairline or two in those types as well) They survive my every activity and abuse with flying colors :)
+Bruce Williams love your explainations, thanks very much! very helpful
+wjdghaks your welcome 👍
+Bruce Williams You might be happy to know, I ordered my MM300 last night,, decision heavily influenced by your very helpful review. Thank you once again! I'm so excited and I can't wait for it to arrive :D
+wjdghaks Haha thats awesome, I am excited for you! Its such a beauty and a joy to wear, congrats. Let me know how you like it
Top notch review!
Thanks Adrian
After watching this review for the 5th time by now, I forgot to mention that I think that the Hardlex crystal is not a negative. I think it has better optical attributes to it and it is more shatter proof than sapphire. I think you can complain about it once you managed to get it scratched up. Though I haven't heard of one scratched Hardlex crystal (in the MM300) yet. Seiko uses a higher grade of Hardlex in their higher end models. It's definitely not the same as in their SKX line. Furthermore it's in Seikos DNA and I like that they try to approach the whole crystal matter differently. We are just used to sapphire but that doesn't mean it's the only way to go IMO.
The second thing I would like to add is that a big online watch seller I contacted recently asked Seiko about the 8L35 movement and he assured me that Seiko themselves said that they DO regulate the movement (by now)! So it isn't unregulated (anymore).
Hope this helps you to now love the MM even more :)
Hey thanks! I did not know about varying hardlex grades or that Seiko starter adjusting the movements. Awesome! I've owned many hardlex over the years and only managed to scratch one (my skx recently) and yes I do love it more.... It's one of those watches you enjoy the more you wear and learn about it. Hope you enjoy the same with your incoming. Thanks mu friend
+Bruce Williams
My pleasure! I'm happy that I could also contribute something useful! :)
Looking forward to future updates of this watch!
Brue, have you weighed your SBDX017? The official weight, with the bracelet, is 212g. Does your watch match that weight?
I get 214 but my scale is old school. I would say the official weight is accurate
VGR....Very good review!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just subscribed. Great video of a great watch. Are they available in the UK?
Thanks Daniel. I've heard they are hard to come by in the UK. I bought mine from seiyajapan.com and I believe he ships worldwide 👍
Thanks for the info Bruce
what does +5s per day mean, does that mean in a year 365*5 s=1825 seconds=30 minutes difference?
How is the crystal holding up? And the bracelet? Any new insights after wearing it for a while now?
You know it's doing really well. No marks whatsoever on the Crystal. I have managed to put a little wear into the bracket clasp and case. I'm planning on doing a 6 month update in a couple weeks. I love it even more than ever haha
Extremely helpful video.
Thanks, gotta tuna review coming soon
Great. What model Tuna? I'll keep an eye out.
+Buzzsaw sbbn033 unboxing should be up later today and a review next week
Hey Bruce! can you tell me which mesh strap you are using for your MM300?
Definitely! Its a German brand called Staib. I bought the polished version. Its top notch. I got mine from Holbensfinewatchbands.com
Between this and the grand seiko sbgr051 which do you advise me to buy for a good watch that i will keep my entire life , i kinda like the GS more than any of the watches , is absolutely perfect but it will keep the shining through time... and there is a big difference of price like 1200 or 1400 $ between them
+Stoica Mihai Yes, very big jump in price. I think both are generational quality. But that being said the SBGR I think makes a better case for a 'forever' watch. It has a traditional 37mm size, and absolutely exquisite finish work. The movement is nicer as well- beautifully decorated with a 72 hour power reserve and adjusted to 6 positions and temps. (Higher than COSC standards) So they both would last a lifetime, but I think the GS would weather the time in a more timeless way. I'm heavily considering the sbgr053 for myself)
Excellent!
Great review how do u compare this with the Orient saturation diver
+Cannibal Ronny Thanks, I appreciate that. To be honest I've never handled the OSD in person. So my opinion is just based on what I've read/seen. I like the Orient a lot and think what you get for the price is incredible. I considered it briefly for myself but knew from reviews it would be too big for me. The heft and height are very significant. As far as I can tell the finishing is excellent and I like the pr complication. If you bought one you would be getting great value and a really nice tool watch. But for my preferences (size/design/history) I much prefer the MM. As far as spec wise though they are very comparable, they even have the same ratcheting clasp mechanism. Lastly I don't know much about the movement Orient uses, but I do know the 8L35 in the Seiko is incredible. 28800 BPH, 50 hr power reserve, large balance assembly with a proprietary hairspring and lossier inner coil. Mine is running +2-3 sec per day.
Bruce Williams ThankYou Sir for your reply and the excellent explanation that came along with it.I am sure I will have the pleasure of watching you review many more watches in times to come,Good Day.
Great review!
Thank you very much
Great review
thanks
Is it common to hear the rotor when you shake your wrist? I don't remember hearing when I first purchased the watch.
Not common