Seiko Marinemaster 300 - Original vs New!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- In todays video we compare the SBDX001 vs the SLA021/ SBDX023, the original Marinemaster vs the new!
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The MM 017 is a beast. Bought it impulsively a few years ago. Haven’t worn it often. Put it on today and it’s fantastic
Excellent comparison!!
I love the material upgrades of the new version but prefer the dial markings and writings of the old one
Appreciate that! I think alot of people feel that way. There's definitely a trade off for the upgraded of the newer one. Thanks.
Thanks for the video. This is exactly what I am looking for. I own the SBDX001 and now I am interested in the SLA021.
Can't go wrong with either of those two. Thanks for watching!
Excellent comparison! Thanks!
Appreciate that.
Great comparison, as a 017 owner I'd like it if the crystal and bezel from the new models would fit the older ones. I do prefer the older dial with the marinemaster text.
Really appreciate that. I actually came very close to making a deal for the 017 but it fell through. I was kind of open to any of the versions and found mine locally from a collector. Totally happy with it but I do like the older dial layout too. Thanks!
Wow, exactly the comparison I was looking for. Thank you!
Happy to help! Thanks for stopping by.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces I had the opportunity to buy a MM 300 in 2010. Had it on my wrist in Japan, but thought (stupidly) that it was a bit too big (it's not). Then I saw it again in 2013, but bought something else instead. Now the price has gone up and I regret not getting one.
@@raksh9 The first couple times I tried one I felt it was a little big too but something about the design just works great. Hopefully you're able to find one at some point. They're a great watch. Thanks again!
A couple of beauties; Chris definitely knows what's up when it comes to Seiko! currently watching this alongside the champions parade!
Definitely! He's on speed dial any time I have a question about a Seiko. Watching the parade too. Wish I could have made it👍👍
Fantastic vid fantastic review of the 2 marine masters
Appreciate that :)
Thank you thank you, this is the first side by side of new vs old, good job!. I have the SBDX017, 0010. I had noticed the meatball indices on the SLA021 looked different than mine and I was thinking they were larger, but you gave me visual proof they aren't. It's like you pointed out, the metal ring is wider. It gives an impression the hour indices are smaller on the SBD017. thanx again :)
Absolutely happy to help! Had alot of fun going through the differences but in the end I think they're all great watches. Thanks:)
Great comparison. Thanks Bob
Appreciate it Jon.
Great video as always Bob!
Thanks man👍👍
Congratulations to the Raptors from this 76ers fan, we’ll see you in the playoffs next year. Nice review Bob👍
Thanks Chris! Already looking forward to next season. Cheers :)
Good review. Hopefully i will own a Seiko Marine Master to add to my collection love the looks of both watches!
They're such cool divers. Big watches but they wear really good. Thanks Reggie.
Great side by side review, Bob! The Marinemaster is a great watch. The new version has the sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel improvements. But, besides that, the watch is the same. A beautiful beast tool watch. Love it
They're definitely very similar. Either is a good option for sure. Love both! Thanks Adrian.
My friend first of all well done for the comparison review.
Your choice for getting the new over the old one is wise, upgrades are welcome. Also I would like to add that the insert on the SLA is zirconia ceramic which is even tougher than the normal ceramic. 😀
Thanks for that. I'd read that but forgot to mention it. Cheers!
Thanks for this excellent comparison video. After watching this video I bought a SLA021 myself...👍
Appreciate that! I bet you'll love it when you get it. It's my favourite in the collection right now. Have a great weekend 👍👍
TimeToGo Travel And Timepieces: I already have it on my wrist for a couple of hours (my local watch shop had one in stock) and it sure is an awesome watch. Can’t keep my eyes of it...😂👍. Thanks again for taking the effort to put this video together and sharing it with us. Much appreciated, you made me a happy man. Have a great weekend...👍👍
@@Sibbe2560 Oh cool! Yeah it's hard to take your eyes off of it. Awesome you have it already. Enjoy :)
Such a great overview of both. The Raps were just beastly. I'm not going the injury route lol. Thanks dude. Now i definitely need a MM!!@🤣🤣🏀💪🏀💪
Thanks man. Definitely a fun ride through the playoffs this year and yes you do need a MM300😅👍
Great video and comparison. I still cant decide though lol! Thanks for the effort!
It's definitely a tough call. Thanks.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces I went with the new one, I´m very happy with my desicion. What sealed it for me was the sapphire / ceramic materials, and that the original 6159 didnt have "Marinemaster" on the dial.
hell of a review man! thanks for the great content as usual! at the end of the day i think it comes down to personal preference. i baby mine now because i have a skx or turtle as a beater lol
For sure! Either is an awesome watch. I'd be happy no matter which I owned. Thanks alot man and good luck tonight!! 👊
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces 🤞I have a good feeling
They are both great 👍 awesome review bob 😁
Thanks alot Chris 👍👍
I got my Seiko MM300 with the blue dial 21 days ago SLA023J1. I got it for a good price, and I wear it every day, I am totally happy with it! It looks and feels great.
Congrats on that beauty you have.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces
Thank you.
I love my SLA021 / SBDX023... dare say even more than my Omega Speedmaster as it gets more wrist time than all off my watches. Also, SEAL Team 10 guys wore MM300s... not sure if they bought them or what, but that was about 10yrs ago before I really got into watches.
I can say that this has definitely become my favourite in the collection. Hadn't heard of the Seal Team 10 guys wearing them. I'll have to look into that. Enjoy yours. Awesome watch to have!
What a great review man! Loving the content!
Appreciate that. Have a nice rest of the weekend!
I d say that i agree with people who says the "X" on the dial is too much 'cause the crown is already signed.. i prefer to see the Marine Master written on the dial and a signed (Prospex) crown.
So the sbdx017 then 👍🏻
Great video! I prefer the newer model with the sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel, and better lume. But you can’t go wrong either way. Such beautiful watches!
Thanks. Yeah they're awesome watches for sure.
Buffed up SKX...😁 great video again,m8.
Much appreciated. Cheers 👍👍
Seiko MM’s are my favorite watch. They are so beautiful!
One of my all time favorites too. Thanks!
I do like the new but if there is no clear on the lume I’m sure it’ll crack or chip over time so I’d go with the old..great review 👍
If there is a clear coat I'd say it's pretty thin. Thanks alot and have a great rest of the weekend!
Congrats on getting one with +4spd ! Mine runs between +8 to +12spd ... oh well.. at some point ill send it back for regulation i guess. that being said, the specs are still within manufacture tolerance of within 15s. I heard but from unconfirmed sources that 8L35 is an unregulated ver of GS 9S movement so i guess with a little regulation it should work like a charm ! The problem will be on getting to the movement in the first place !
Yeah not the easiest task to get in there for a regulation. It is a 9s (undecorated) from my understanding too. Bet you can get it regulated to be very accurate. Thanks and have a nice weekend :)
i know local guys who can service them. if not send it to japan for the full service.
chris marchese in the Toronto area? I’d love to know.
Both are great...the only thing to watch out with the original is that it will need to be serviced soon and it has a GS movement (expensive). The Crafter Blue is a great choice. Thank you for another great video :)
Yeah I wonder what the price tag for a service will be. Can't wait for my Crafter Blue to come in. So comfy.
if it aint broke dont fix it. ive heard of a few seikos that have been worn daily for 40 years and are still keeping time. seiko is kinda like some toyota models, they just never break lol
Here in Europe the service cost is €385.00 Not including any replacement parts.
Congratulations on Raptors win! I’m a Kings fan so seeing the Warriors lose is epic lol! I picked the SLA021 recently and absolutely love it! I love the upgrades compared to the first gen but I have to say I wish the Marinemaster text was somewhere. Love the gloss of bezel and deep black of dial also. What bracelet is on your SLA021?
Thanks man! Yeah the Warriors have had their fair share of titles. Love my SLA021 for all the same reasons as you. Totally awesome watch. The bracelet is a Strapcode Super Oyster. I like it but the Crafter Blue is really comfortable.
The MM300 is arguably the best diver under 10k. Yes, i rate it above the Sub!
It's definitely a favorite for me too. Thanks.
Arguably the best diver under 10K no chance, sloppy tolerances ie, movement play left to right between end link and case, sub 1k braclet the usual affair from seiko, fine crown thread begging
to be cross threaded, bezal inlay that costs a fortune to be replaced as its one unit with the bezal its self. Not regulated so no guarantee of running accuracy. All these issues not present with a Tudor BB for a few hundred more, I should know I own a MM300. God help watch brands if I ever had a watch channel.
@@marcocastagnetti7086 Your spot on with your comment. I agree with you. I too own a MM300
@@marcocastagnetti7086those are all fair criticisms, yet I sold my BB and bought the MM twice. For all of its faults, it’s better qualities make it a great watch.
I wonder if newer look more black dial because of sapphire?
The crafter blue is definitely the way to go. It keeps the watch from sliding around and takes away the top heavy feeling it has when it's on the bracelet. The rubber has a nice vanilla smell also.
I put mine on a Crafter Blue and hasn't been off it since. Totally changes the feel for the better. Thanks.
The lume on all my LCBS inserts are exposed too and always wear off over time. How is the lume on the MM holding up?
So far so good. Hopefully it stands up over time.
Great comparison! I'm considering getting a sla021 myself but was wondering about the feeling on the wrist. What's your wrist size? I've read it fits quite well on smaller wrists, but mine is 20cm so I don't want it to be too small.
I'm about 18.5cm. It wears well on smaller wrists from what I hear too but I don't think you'd find it small. Probably quite a good fit at 20cm.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces thanks 👍 I guess I need to go to my local AD then and see how it goes 😊 thanks!
@@bricewgr When you get to try it I'd love to hear what you think. Have a nice rest of the weekend 👍
I have the OG, with an upgraded sapphire crystal (IWW in Cary, NC). Mine was also regulated to +/-0 day originally, but is now about +4sec/day consistently (fell off my dresser during an earthquake!). I far prefer the OG version, but I do think I read somewhere that the crown on the newer model has an additional seal? This was a sticking point for some (not sure why-regardless, it's He-proof, and rater to 300+ meters) so at least a discussion point. In any case, you get a great deal on a world-class watch with either version
Well if that's the first time I've heard of a watch taking a hit due to an earthquake. Still pretty good at plus 4 a day though. I've heard something about the extra seal too. Not sure but both are definitely great watches. Thanks!
For me, the upgrade to a sapphire crystal tilts the balance heavily in the favor of the new model. I am NOT a fan of Hardlex, particularly at this price point. Like the dreaded helium escape valve “wart” on the Omega Seamaster or the placement of the logo on a Christopher Ward dial, watch enthusiasts can get pretty rworked up over the silliest things, the Pro-Spex “X” being another bone of contention. My goodness, some of the comments you read filled with hatred for the logo makes you wonder how some of these people get through their day without collapsing into a heap of smoldering rage.
Nice comparison, Bob. This is a unique opportunity to see the differences between two supremely capable automatic divers that offer tremendous value for less than half the retail price of their Swiss competitors. Me? I think the Tuna is the better buy in Seiko’s catalog, even with the dreaded Hardlex. It’s less top-heavy, more accurate, the same killer lume, and even more distinctively styled.
I found a thread that was about 50 pages long that was started when the sla was launched. Let's just say it was an interesting read and a good chunk of it was hatred of the logo. I just don't get worked up over things like that.
Definitely appreciative of the chance to check these out side by side. I actually spent a portion of yesterday looking at Tuna's. Top of the list for me for my next Seiko buy. That and possibly the new Arnie! Thanks Lee:)
Finally got the smallest scratch on my 021. What happens when they get worn. Still avoiding nasty door jams though.
Yeah it's an easy one to knock on a door jam for sure. The first scratch hurts a bit but once it happens I find it makes it easier to wear the watch in a way.
There was a 017 for sale on Touch of Modern the other day since it applies to this review an it's pretty hard to find .
I actually almost pulled the trigger on the 017 awhile back. You definitely don't seem to see them for sale as often.
I have the original...Great !!!
I was sooo close to the 023, but for that gold second hand, and the gold 300 print...
Pulled the trig on the 017 instead (still available), yes it's not sapphire but I've never had any issue with hardlex. The dial is virtually identical to the 001 here, and so I'm glad I sidestepped the 023. The 023 lacks a bit of gravitas I feel. That 001 is a beaut though.
A few people I've talked to weren't into the gold on the 023. I kind of like it but would be probably just as happy with owning the 001 or 017. Enjoy yours, it's a great watch for sure. Thanks.
Where did u find a 017? I couldn't find anywhere
What is the price for both,,is there any difference
I have reservations as well about the diashield coating, I mean if it’s so good why doesn’t Grand Seiko’s have it?
Nice comparison btw 👍
I think it's to soon to tell for sure. If ever I hear of an issue with it I'll definitely bring it up on the channel. Thanks:)
Thanks, Bob, for the excellent comparison. The crafter blue looks nice on the watch. Would like to get one for my mm. May i know if it fits to a 6.25 to 6.5" wrist. Is it comfortable? Which of the 3 color do you prefer?
It does fit your wrist size and I find it very comfortable. For me black is the way to go but I do like the orange too.
Thanks, Bob. Sorry, it will fit nicely into the original clasp, right? Ya, i like the orange too. Maybe buy two to swap.😅
@@canonyeo4286 Yes sir! I have the original clasp on it 😁👍
Tks, Bob. I have most of the popular seiko divers, including the 1st (new), 2nd(vintage), and 3rd(vintage) which i like a lot, but, it's the mm that is most rugged. Btw, you know where to get this same rubber strap in 22/18mm? I would like to get one for my GS diver with the same type of clasp. Have you seen the clasp on the new LX? I read it's better. 😊
@@canonyeo4286 Not 100% sure if they make a strap that would work.
Watching this video makes me almost regret having sold this watch twice. However, I remember how the MM300 was top heavy and the regrets fly away. The price of the new versions is too high. But what a beauty!
It is definitely a little top heavy. Not sure if you ever tried the Crafter Blue straps but they really make a difference with the comfort of the watch. Thanks :)
price of them is still undervalued imo
chris marchese Really? At the asking price, we could expect a much better bracelet and a regularized movement. Putting a Strapcode on a SKX is ok. But on a watch of this price, it's ridiculous.
@@maitrehg 1. If you shop around you dont pay retail 2. Original bracelet is great we just like to keep them mint. 3. It's a quarter of the price of a new submariner. That's ridiculous. In a good way to state the obvious
chris marchese I owned two so I know what I'm talking about. The bracelet is very bad and it should not end up on a watch of this price. In addition, the resale value of high-end Seikos is not terrible. For many people, Seiko stands for good low-end watches.
Love my new sla021! Have had the original and many tunas over the last 20 years. 021 is beautiful, zaratsu polishing, diashield and the brightest lume of all ! Nice review 👍🏻
It's such a great watch. I'm a big fan of the Tuna's too. Picked up one of the new ones s23633 last year and it's probably my most worn watch since. Thanks.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces cool. I still have my darth Sbbn013 in mint condition! 10 years old! Love the original darth!
Just sold my sla021 and picked up the sbdx001 in mint condition! The 001 was the first watch I picked up 15 years ago. Can’t wait to get the 001! Don’t get me wrong the sla021 is beautiful but the 001 is cream of vintage 😃
Just the text "MARINEMASTER" is gonna make the old one a collectible
I'm sure you're right about that.
Can anyone please tell me the price for both,,I want to know please guys help me
II believe the thicker bezel on the SLA is due to the fact that the insert is debossed into the bezel. Probably to protect the insert from impact. On the SBDX, the insert is embossed. More exposed, but it gives the bezel the right proportions imo. Ive always forund the SLA´s lume look a bit prefabricated?? As if it is not hand-lumed? (I believe the SBDX is handlumed) The SLA lume is very flat and sterile, while the SBDX is more uneaven. Both are ok, but the bone white color of the SBDX is a winner :-)
I think you're right on the difference with the bezel thickness. Not sure how the lume is applied on the SLA but it doesn't have the imperfections of the SBDX. I do like the look of that on the SBDX. Thanks.
I just bought one 15mins. ago.
It was a SBDX001 full set in excellent condition. 😁😁😁
Awesome! Congrats on the new watch 😁👍
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces Thanks.
The 001 has 8l35a which is undecorated and the new ones have 8l35v that is decorated. There are photos of the difference of movements.
Someone mentioned that to me. I'll have to take a look at the pictures.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces there is a new video of 8l35b movement from bruce williams, go and check them up. Its really awesome.
@@josejoaquinmiguel7099 the 8L35B is Zaratsu polished. My ealier sla017 also has this new mems movement.
One notable difference for my is the old domed crystal vs the new inner domed crystal. I'm a sucker for domed crystal. Also the bracelet you portrayed is not the original I think
Yes it was on a Strapcode. The older model that was leant in was on a Crafter Blue so I left the original bracelets out of the equation. Thanks.
My Seiko Marine Master 300 Luminescence stops at 20. Is this a defect or a design feature. Thankyou. My first Diving Watch, sorry.
No problem at all. Mine is the same. It's to do with timing dives.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepiecesThanks very much. I'm pleased now I know it's normal. I don't know why though.
Better, new. But the orignal is the original.
Hi, can I ask what metal thong you have on SBDX023? Thank you, Milan
That's a Strapcode Super Oyster.
@@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces Thanks
I prefer lume pips and domed crystals. The original bezel also looks more classy but the new version is still a very nice watch.
I'd definitely prefer the lume pip too now that I've spent more time with the watch. Can't go wrong with either though. Thanks!
What bracelet is it on the new one?
That's a Strapcode Super Oyster.
The new one is the better watch , I believe, hopefully one in my collection very soon
I absolutely love mine. Let me know if you get one!
Congrats Canada, who would have thought Toronto would have a basketball championship before a
Yeah it's been a long time coming. Lots of ups and downs since they joined the league. Thanks Ken!
The rubber strap.. is it an original strap from Seiko?
It's from Crafter Blue.
Crafter blue is the way to go. For an ultimate tool watch it needs rubber imo.
For those who hate the X logo of the prospex:
ALL THE LETTERS OF THE "PROSPEX" IS IN THAT "X"
It's a smart logo.
OG 001 Marinemaster is nicer IMO. Cleaner look. "Prospex" seems tacky to me
So what? Ugly as hell
ill take the new version please
It's gorgeous :)
I have baby mm with dio protection for overt 1 year no problem
Gimme the new one.
For me the old one
ok good morning from Athens . Giannis Sina Ougko Antetokounmpo is a Greek professional basketball player for the Milwaukee Bucks of the National Basketball Association
Very aware of him after the Raptors played Milwaukee in the playoffs. He's an excellent player.
SLA015 is the best!!!!
👍🏾
I just do not like the look of the gold second hand and 300. I'd go with a pre-owned 017 instead.
Actually came very close to picking up the 017 before the sla but the deal fell through.
The lume pip on the original looks way better.
Yeah. After owning the newer one awhile I do find I prefer the older pip too.
Why not lume the entire bezel?? Kinda dumb.
Love the Marine Master but seriously why does anyone need anything more than an SKX? That’s why I just can’t justify spending that amount of money on one. 🤔🤷♂️
I hear you. I have an SKX too but I just had to have the MM300 after trying a few on. Definitely up there in the cost department though. Thanks Ryan.
Skx on a strapcode super oyster made me get rid of the 001 many years ago. Kicked myself till I finally got the 021. I totally get it.
the original bracelet is way nicer than a strapcode.
Hockey championship.
DIFFERENCE. You could use it to get to your goal of accumulating funds but they are overpriced, if it was not fo the internet propaganda all watchmakers would find it challenging with selling Stainless steel watches for 10k+, it's all instagram hype likes and so on...
Give me the original cant stand that big X.
Can’t stand that “prospex” logo. Why why why
The X is a P S 😉
Lol! I know but thanks. 😁👍
Congrats on the Raptors win. Good luck keeping Kawhi because I need him to stay in the east! (Also, great video!)
Yeah I'd love to see him stay but he's a hard guy to read. Not sure where he'll end up. Thanks man!