Customer States: AHHH! The quicky-lube stripped my oil pan! Honda aluminum pan Time-Sert repair.
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- ***Sorry in advance for the sound quality. I hadn't yet purchased a wireless mic yet and my phone case was muffling the sound. Also, realized a few vids later with the help of some commenters that I wasn't uploading at full volume. Thanks for watching, and check out my newer vids for better sound.
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Time sert drain plug repair kit:
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Great video. This channel is going to be huge, I can tell.
Just a quick tip for drilling out the old threads, put some grease on the drill bit so it holds on to the chips, same with the helicoil tap, saves a lot of chips in the pan.
I think your channel is going to blow up soon. You clearly know what you're doing and have a calmness about you. Keep up the great videos!
Hey, thanks so much for the comments. Really appreciate it, and would love to help people understand this industry in a bit more detail. Thanks again
Two things. One, I’ve done hundreds of Honda oil changes as a home mechanic, always used a torque wrench and new aluminum crush washer, and never had this problem. Two, this repair makes it better than new.
Makes good the argument for using a Fumoto drain valve before failure, so you never need to screw the threads again.
As soon as i bought my Honda, I ordered a fumoto drain valve and that was 5 years ago. Works like a charm and no worry about stripping those aluminum pans.
In 2006 I bought a new Honda Ridgeline. After the first two free dealer oil changes I installed a Fumoto drain valve. 15 years later and no problems at all. I suspect that the threads on these aluminum oil drains will eventually weaken after many tightenings even if properly torqued. You are unlikely to see a torque wrench in a rapid oil change place.
This is why I replace drain plugs and install Fumoto Valves on my cars. Once its on, you never have to touch it again. I've never had a leak and I will never have stripped out oil pans.
Great repair, sure beats replacing an entire oil pan
I guess I’m a dork too, I also use a torque wrench on oil drain plugs. Trained in my younger days as a helicopter mechanic in the army, and we torqued EVERYTHING, so it’s just how I treat my cars too. I appreciate precision and attention to detail like that on any repair/maintenance job, no matter how simple. Earned a subscribe from me for sure just for that! Looking forward to enjoying more of your content.
Thank you, plus it is also just satisfying to hear the click. Haha.
Just tighten it enough to not leak. Done.
Good work mate obviously many are suggesting simpler repairs like oversized plugs total agree with your approach it’s a proper repair and actually addresses the failure point in the pan there’s nothing wrong with an aluminium pan but I think they really should have a hardened steel insert from factory for something that gets removed and replaced every service aluminium is just too soft ps talk all you want I’m listening ;)
For a stripped drain plug, the factory service manual says to dispose of car and buy a new one.
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Put thick grease on your drill bit and tap to catch the shavings
Spee-Dee Oil Change stripped the drain plug in my son’s 93 Old’s. My son wanted to save me the fuss of changing his oil. When I went and told them, all I got were dumb looks. I managed to fix it for him. I like to exclusively use Honda crush washers. The after market ones are too hard and don’t give a good crush. My Honda dealer left the crush washer off completely once. You can’t trust them either. They said it was a defective crush washer, but they really left it off. I always check the oil after an oil change and put cardboard under the car for a few days. I couldn’t miss that pizza pan size oil spill in my garage courtesy of Honda.
Just subbed. Appears that you're about an hours drive from me. Now if light duty diesels were in your repertoire, I'd be on the phone.
Good to see those subscription numbers going up
From fast food employee to a oil change technician team member that strips drain plugs.
That’s why I change my own oil on my old Accord.
Wife’s Honda goes to the dealer for oil changes....
@Jon Does
LOL.....our Honda dealer....yep stripped the oil pan threads and then tried to LIE to us about it, when we reminded the service manager that the only place the car went was his dealer shop he finally shut his mouth and an reluctantly did a repair...dealers are shite often times too.
Dealer LMFAO. Then her oil is changed by a 10 dollar an hour oil boy that wont put his phone down. Dealers do employ very good machanics but those guys dont change oil.
My sister said the place she was going to said 60 dollars for a full synthetic oil change on her 2014 Kia 2.4 non-turbo,. I looked it up, its a blend, I told her bring it by me and I'll get Amsoil and a Wix filter... I had to drop that plastic windage shield under the engine and pound a smaller socket on the drain plug...Skip the quick-ee lubes...they are only concerned about the next car...
Amsoil is a waste of money and complety not.nessesary.
@@jamesvw769 With my preferred customer discount.(16 dollars yearly ) I can get a quart for OE 5W20 $5.85 ...I can't even find conventional oil any where at that price...OH...and the filter is about $ 6.00... I had to go to Advanced Auto to get the new drain plug....$5.00
I love the way you explain options and your decision making. I've often wondered how I'd approach a stripped plug, preparing for the day, which hasn't happened yet over forty years, ha ha. These are certainly more common with aluminum pans, and I'll guess many are caused by the guy before who crossthreaded the plug. Timesert is becoming more popular and is better, though helicoil prices have plunged now that the design is beyond copyright. Do you have any experience with doing this using a helicoil?
I've not used a helicoil in a pan. I don't love the idea because they're not made for constant removal and installation like you do every oil change. Time sert inserts are a solid/self swedging design that locks itself into the threads.
Have used helicoils however on bolt threads that are not meant to be removed frequently and they work fine as long as you understand their intended use and limitations.
Have started putting a camera on a shovel and sliding it up under the oil pan and filter while recording a video so I have before and after proof of the condition of the work area for these oil change butcher shops
Hi I had JIFFY LUBE , STRIPPED THE OIL DRAIN , ON 2 DIFFERENT FORD CARS I WAS PISSED, but then used those rubber plugs with the tool that extends it to remove/reinstall, but STOPPED USING THAT LOCATION . but they pay knuckleheads poorly , so they wind up with REVOLVING HELP. I asked them to grease 4 fittings, on my front end , ‘but they are sealed according to the computer’
so I said they are AFTERMARKET so they need grease , they said they did, but NEVER EVER GREASED THEM, then one tie rod fitting nearly wore out, my mechanic found it, when rotating wheels for me
Hey YOU CANNOT DRIVE IT, so he replaced it , That was the LAST TIME FOR JIFFY LUBE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@Flyby Airplane
You were "JiffyScrewed" LOL
We see so many over tightened drain plugs, amazing. Most only need 12-15 ft lbs. Same with oil filters, cranked on with tools. Smh
If it’s not too bad, you can use a oversized self threading plug. If it’s beyond .10 over, make jiffy lube pay for it. Small claims court always works 👍🏻
Their store owner did the right thing and paid me for it.
I got time serts in 2 or 4 spark plugs, work great I change the plugs a lot “race car” it’s a great fix.
Same, i have the 11mm toyota ones and the 14mm, almost needed and bought the 12mm for a customer the other day but we were able to chase and get a plug to feel right going in.
Just had to replace nasty 20k mile oil from my brother's mustang, quick lube place made him think he got the oil changed. Nope that thing was pasty and filled with thick sludge. Ran some solvents (seafoam) to get the initial change out then filled it with fresh oil and a diesel based flush, drained it and filled it with fresh. The rinse oil that came out of there looked as if it had 15k miles on it. Glad I caught it before he went off and destroyed the engine.
Ugh gross.
News flash the engine is destroyed.
hey dude, what you didn't explain was the size of the insert and the bolt size that you used to repair the stripped threads on the oil pan.
I can relate - my wife had a nice 92 Accord coupe when we got married. One of the quick lube places had an air gun jockey on deck and he stripped the d@mn plug and didn't tell us. That was the very last time, (save for major dealer services intervals) that anybody but me have ever changed the oil on any of our vehicles. I can do it quicker and cheaper than anybody else - just not worth risking some f'n moron destroying our vehicles.
RELAX
@@jamesvw769 I do, when I change my own oil keeping lazy, incompetent's airgun jockeys from breaking my vehicles.
Exactly why NOBODY touches may car except for warranty work!
Fumoto drain valves work well, intalled them on everything i can. Then never havta worry bout stripping threads again.
Good for diy, can't recommend in a professional setting however. 👍
@@2shops1roof but you just used a timesert in a professional setting, not sure how thats much different but i do understand what you mean. Could have recommended the fumoto valve to the customer after doin the reapair. Not sure how well timeserts hold up over time of loosening and tightening the bolt. Only time will tell. All in all wouldnt be a problem if somebody didnt over tighten the bolt. Ive used timeserts on exhaust studs and front fork axle bolt on motorcycle… they seem to work just fine tho. Take care and be well
Have you re-upped your cq red filters recently? I was told by AAP they are phasing them out for Fram Drive filters.
Interesting, yes I restock the ones we use a few times a week. Haven't gotten anything but red and blue carquest. But did see there is no more carquest oil(now is fram), not that I buy that, just an interesting thing I saw phased out so I wouldn't be surprised. Been thinking about stocking majority OEM filters recently, so switch to Fram may give me the shove to do that. Just so used to carquest part numbers.
@@2shops1roof I was at a different AAP today and they said they still carry the CQ red/blue filters but aren't advertising them to the public and aren't sure if the brand is going to last.
...that is why I never take my car(s) to places like Jiffy Lube, Economy Lube, etc. I really hate to even take it to places like Goodyear or Firestone. I really wished there were more honesty, knowledgeable mechanics like the host of this channel (don't know his name). So I end up sucking up the cost and taking my car(s) to Honda. I will pay more, but I know it is being done right.
This is a little off the subject but you should never replace oil plug with engine hot. I see this at quick lubes all the time. Next oil change when plug and drain hole are same temp they are seized together. I worked in machine shop for 40 yr and heli-coils saved a lot of parts.
I did change right after 3 hours of driving against heavy windy (4,500 miles on oil)
After I get home. I grab oil drain catcher and place under my hot car and drain oil right away. I have confident that all the sludges, metal shaving, etc washed away by high RPM.
Oil filter look good with no shiny particles.
need a mic! great vid keep it up
There's not a link to where I can the time-sert kit
Here you go, thanks for the support. amzn.to/3DogGZM
@@2shops1roof thank you! It happened to my crv
Sucks that you did not get payed to replace the pan. If I striped out my oil pan plug I would have replaced the pan. However I always use a torque wrench. Nice work.
He didn’t get paid to replace the pan because he didn’t need to replace the pan. He didn’t get paid to wash and wax the car either, because he didn’t.
@@sarahdeshay1394 If you strip out the the plug threads the proper repair would be to replace the oil pan. It is to bad that the shop that did the damage did not pay to have the repair done properly. It is not on dig on on the repair or the video. It is dig on the person and shop that striped the threads and was to cheep to fix it properly.
I have a question. I took my car to the Honda dealership for an oil change and they said the previous oil change shop stripped my plug and to keep an eye on it. It started leaking but it was not leaking before Honda. Is that possible or are they passing the blame off of them?
🤔 did they mean stripped the head or stripped the threads? If threads and they saw it but did nothing about it, they did you a dis-service. If the head, then the leak is probably from them re-using the crush washer. Not great but not going to cause the plug to come out and dump all of your oil. In either case, they shouldve notified you during service. But yes it couldve been them or the previous shop and nonway to know.
@@2shops1roof thank you so much for your reply. Yes the threads. Taking it to a new mechanic today. Not sure if they will be able to remedy it or if I will need a new oil pan. Sad when you can’t even trust a dealership. Thank you again.
What if those chips don’t all flush out? I would demand a new pan for sure.
It's possible of course, but I watched and the last bit that flushed out was clear.
@@2shops1roof if you use a heavy grease on the cutting threads the grease will capture the chips.
John RELAX
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. However, one small criticism....the audio is way too low.
As a retired professional film and tv sound recordist of over 35 years standing you should buy a lavalier radio mic. This will clip onto your shirt / T-shirt. If it comes with a windshield, always fit it to the mic, then working near fans will not give you an issue. If your recording device allows you to switch in a low pass filter (in the settings, normally), go ahead and switch it in. If you're using manual sound level control, ensure that when speaking normally, the level indicator does not exceed 0
dB on the VU scale.
Thanks, yes I got one and it'll be used for the next video.
I never accept the job if plug is over torqued. It is easy to measure by digital meter, readings goes too high goodbye. Or customer takes 100% responsibility if something happens.
What was wrong with the old/new filter? I hate regimented places!! It's not a fricken airplane!!! You don't die if your engine sputters! What I really hate is the guys that change the water pump with the timing belt! I happen to think the OEM water pump is probably better that most aftermarkets by a few factors!!! OMG!!
Most people replace the water pump cause it's right there and driven by the timing belt on most vehicles. From experience when you change a belt more tension is applied to the pulleys and can cause the old pump to leak. Customers aren't to happy when they have to pay the same labor again instead of a couple hundred bucks to replace it while your there. You can even replace it with a OEM one like I do so you get quality. If you replace the belt, tensioner, and the pulleys. Why not replace the last rotating part?
AAAAHH why are you using the valuable and precise torque wrench to break loose the drain plug?! Don't do that!
It isn't a very nice torque wrench that I use for oil changes.
Read the title and thought - they did what?
Heard of 4 different stripped plugs from Jiffy, Quick, Fast Lube drive through type places. What is it w/these guys, they have one simple job to do, put the drain plugs back in straight. Anyone who can't handle that obvious a task w/out supervision I do not want within 50' of my car. Few bucks more get a real mechanic to change your oil. Less heart ache
You say that, but I just raised my oil change price by $5 after reading these guys receipt that was in the front seat. 🤫
@@2shops1roof Heh heh, too bad your not local, I'd hire you to work on my truck instantly (05 Tundra) patched dif housing. Replace eventually I'm very far East
@@YABBAHEY1 I've always been a yota truck guy too 😁
Since you drilled through the old tred and made new why didn't you just use biger bolt it would of been much simpler.
Because this steel, locking insert makes stronger threads than the fatigue prone aluminum ones. Plus, I could reuse his drain plug in this case and every oil change from now on will require normal sized washers, not oversized stuff.
@@2shops1roof you did it right, everything back to factory 17mm. Nice job.
My case is the exact opposite: the oil drain bolt head was so damaged by the dealer that it is impossible to get any wrench or bolt extractor to remove it to do oil changes. I have to rely on a manual vacuum pump to change the oil thru the dipstick hole. The pan is aluminum as far as I can tell. Anybody care to share any ideas on how to remove it?
Ouch, yes in this case we use an air hammer with a chisel attachment to loosen it. Takes great care to use this method. A bolt extractor socket(turbo socket) may also work.
I bought a cheap jigsaw blade that can cut through metal.. sawed the drain off by hand (not easy). Are you still using the vacuum? Did it work?
@@2shops1roofthe bolt extractors suck, didn't work for me it broke.
What’s cost for this repair ?
With new oil and tax it was around US $175
12 ft lbs is doable with hand tight but not anything over that
They make oversize, self tapping pan plugs.
Yes, I discussed those. In my opinion, not a quality repair. But will get you down the road. ***however, I have had those not allow me to do a proper insert repair because they enlarged the hole bigger than my insert, so needed a pan replacement.
For hacks
I would flush out at least five times to make sure there's no metal shaving
@@SouthTexasSunsets because this is easier and cheaper
@@SouthTexasSunsets most car needs drop subframe but I would replace oil pan.cheaper than new engine
To much yappin bro
Love the videos. But the sound is very low.
A few have mentioned that, so I'll hop on Amazon and be looking for a wireless mic today. Thanks
@@2shops1roof Richard at Precision Transmition did that and it made a world of difference.
I just don’t get why it’s $170 lol
Why'd you speed through the Timesert part??? That's what I wanted to see!! You should've done it just the opposite way! I watched the whole video just to see you speed through the best part!!! I don't get it.
I'll get you next time
It’s not the oil change place the pans on those are junk I fix them multiple times a week
In this case the quick lube place overtightened and pulled threads. Their owner confirmed. I do agree the pans are weak, not junk, but like mentioned in the vid, I suspect threads weaken over time from people not torquing regularly.
Fumoto valve fixes this for 20 bucks and you never remove another drain plug.
Maybe a diy option. I've never used a valve for small small possibility of failure, but can't recommend this in a professional setting.
@@2shops1roof I hear you. I am a mechanic and will personally recommend fumoto valves as I have one on all 5 of my vehicles. Never leaked a drop..but if they do ever leak the company replaces it no questions asked. I know its not "proper"..but 20 bucks is much preferable to 700 or more to replace an oil pan should the tap and die route fail.
Your volume is very low
New wireless mic should arrive tomorrow
You spent 3/4 the video waffling on then speeded through the interesting bit.
Much of the idea for the channel is the why behind, not the how to turn a wrench clockwise. You'll see some of that but the intent is to teach and expose people to the business side and educate.
Would have been nice to have seen the actual insert process, in stead of fast forward scenes.
I'll get you next time
If it was my car, I would get a NEW Pan installed at dealer, then take Quick Lube to Small Claims Court for 100% reimbursement plus 100.00 or so for my time.
RELAX there not gonna pay.
@@jamesvw769 With a Court order they will pay.
first rule in medicine- if you can't fix the complications-don't do the procedure
lots of blah blah blah, then when it comes to the time-sert repair... it's time lapse!! Like really?? Do the quick time lapse of draining oil, filter, etc. Focus on the main topic. Good luck.
Nah man, Lil bubble gum round that drain plug throw it back in and your good.
That ain't no repair video. U fast forward everything and cut the video. F rating
You took alot of time before the procedure and then when you actually got to it and the part I wanted to see you speed it up. Terrible
It took 4 min before you finally removed the plug!! You talk too much. thumbs down
Thanks for watching for 4 minutes😁
Low volume and you talk to much, get to work.
I am the shop owner and an engineer by education, of course I talk too much. 😄 The channel is meant to teach and inform, not just be a "watch me work" series.
@@2shops1roof Keep doing your thing brother, those of us who appreciate what you do will keep watching.
Scott- u post to much. I like learning from him 😡
@Scotty B Barry
Buzzzzz off troll!
You post too much crap. lol
@@2shops1roof Don't ever pay attention to these bizarro trolls,
I'd ignore them entirely. I'm interested in learning and details are what I love to hear from channels like yours! Thanks.