As far as I am concerned the second those AFDD's are mandatory is the second the industry officially switches from genuine safety into a money making scam for manufacturers to cream it in at the expense of consumers. Its a great way to discourage people from getting professionals in too, make it so expensive people bulk at the cost and go back to using their mate from the pub to do their electrical work.
If AFDDs become mandated, I won't be the only one routinely switching to departures just to get new boards on the wall. Not unless they cost the same as an RCBO and contain the same functionality like the Wylex ones (and fat chance of that).
@@dsesuk Totallt agree David I don’t see how it can be financially viable for the average household which requires a consumer unit upgrade or rewire etc to have these installed. I, like you think they will fall by the wayside or like yourself will be using the departures column on the installation Certs. Great content as always, I agree regarding board changes, as soon as the power is off and I’ve dismantled the existing installation, I always think “Think is the point of no return,8 do hope this isn’t an absolute arse 🤣”
Phoenix contact does a really skinny 3 level din module (1/3rd or something) with earth, neutral, line-line, neutral, earth connections top to bottom, with proper colors on the module as well, spring terminals that take all sorts of conductor types, and they can even be linked sideways. Not sure on the conductor sizes though, but the once I’ve used probably go up to 4mm2 at least. We use them a lot for mains distribution in panels, and it’s compact as can be.
That was a nice bit work . Nice tidy CU change, and Nigel measurement were spot on for for the meter box , you did a fantastic job with the CU . The someone comes in afterwords and spoils it by throwing a lump of flex in Fantastic video guy’s as always 👍👍👍❤️🎖
Proper job dude although I always thought hammertime should be switched off when core drilling. Please launch special brew at me Mick Dundee style if I am wrong. Board change was neat enough until captain wangman came along a ferked it all up.
I think the homeowner would be ill advised to consider air source heating in his type of structure. But unfortunately many companies are pushing it even if it is totally unsuitable for most houses in the Uk . Nice to see the dynamic duo back in action, spreading their own brand of peace joy and happiness . Best wishes and kind regards to you both 😀👍👍👍
Another excellent videogram from the master of electrical installations. I fitted an Elucian board this week and was most confused by the lack of instructions with the SPD. Today I returned to the local wholesalers and we decided to ring technical support. They advise that no breaker was required, the SPD fits where your master switch sits, the master switch moves to the left two spaces and the tails kit should screw into the new position. However early boards did not have the additional holes ( for the tails clamp) drilled in the DIN rail. So drill your own or bin it!. A PDF is available, and I have the article to hand, or you can probably download it. Regards TC
Oh. Well that's interesting! A lot of early SPD boards from other brands had the 'unprotected' SPD design, but they tended to fall out of favour. The likes of CP Fusebox for example changed theirs to include an MCB. Personally, I prefer an MCB for two reasons: firstly because the SPD could fail short-circuit and the unprotected design relies on spring-loaded solder joints within the SPD assembly melting to break contact before the main fuse blows. Secondly, figure 534.8 (p.169) defines the length between the OCPD and SPD which, if the OCPD is the main fuse, can't be satisfied it seems to me. If I were to fit another, I'd do it in the same way again.
Stellar work chaps. So annoying that the heat pump wombles couldn't do their bit tidyer - do you guys put any kinda sticker seals on boards for warranty or anything? We looked at the Boddingtons tail stripper at Elex a couple of years ago, definitely seemed to be something that earnt it's money.
Thanks Mr Ninja. We don't sticker the board with any tamper labels at present. Usually, I have the test data plus photographs of it before and after which makes for a very boring camera roll on my phone but serves to evidence what we did. I have considered tamper labels, and maybe it is something we should be putting on. With this one, I knew we'd be back in later weeks anyway, but then I also knew third parties would be making alterations, after all, I left spare MCBs in place specifically for them to run sub-boards off. I just hope the EV and PV guys recognise there are non-RCD circuitways with MCBs they can utilise and they don't go doing anything daft like breaking a sub-board into the tails.
Old Wylex fuse (wire) box above our bath with shower!!! We don't spray it with the shower and it is boxed off, but it is, along with the rest of the house, a wiring nightmare. It works though - but dreading an EICR 😡😡😡, or having to go down the electric car route.
I have the same issue with the armeg torque bit for the smaller star size last about 40 circuits then ping. Snaps and it's not doing a great deal of pressure ethier, The board looks decent still the double pole lad seems the way to go for me. But like you say its really what the wholesalers has and price. I laughed far more than I should have with the sat nav interruptions Great video again.
After 47 minutes of watching a hole being drilled, I was just wondering why these productions are so interesting when I and the other 22 thousand unsuspecting viewers were collectively referred to as 'arseholes'. This was both offensive and shocking (but not as shocking as that heat pump cabling..WTF?). I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms - Mr Moanrim of Tunbridge Wells. Joking aside, it is always good to watch your knowledgeable and conscientious take on the industry David.
"DEANO" never let's down especially when in a hurry. I've had my armeg torque driver snap twice on RCBOs. A quick trip to CEF and they change is free of charge.
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Nice to see Nige back in action. Linda was a great asset - she taught me a new phrase for the state of female excitation - I think I’ve been out of the UK for too long!!!
For stripping tails I use the knipex stripper, the one for flex. I run it round once and then the outer sheath comes off. then move it down and it cuts through leaving a little lip of inner insulation. works a treat.
I saw a picture on Instagram. No detail of release date or pricing though. It's the cost that will sink or swim AFDDs. If amendment 2 mandates them and the cost of a new CU ends up in the high hundreds or even into the thousands (as mine was), then there'll be an awful lot of certs showing departures.
I tried a Hager board to see the quality people shout about but I don’t think the bank balance can handle that again😂 I was a lewden chap but I must admit the fuse box boards are my go to now!😊 The SBS board sounds intriguing? Did you do a vid on it David? Keep on smiling😊
I find it interesting that there's a lot of hype around Hager, there's nothing a Hager board offers over a cheap brand. With more expensive brands your paying for certain features, like plugin devices or devices without fly leads, you don't get any of that from Hager. And these people should have seen the crap Hager were churning out in the early 90's, basically a plastic enclosure with a front end RCD. There were cheap, because the firm I was working for at the time fitted them on thousands of redrow houses.
@@acelectricalsecurity Hager's strength is their availability from pretty much any wholesaler, but other than that I don't find them any different to anyone else. It's good that they haven't changed their design for donkeys unlike, say, Eaton whose boards from twenty years ago are now hard to find spares for (and they cost a packet when you do). Hager's plastic CUs were awful though. How many have you come across where the lid is taped shut because it wouldn't stay shut?!
GOOD OLD PABLO TO THE RESCUE LOL. WINK WINK. Tell me why it’s ok to extend cables in plastic enclosure but have to update to metal consumer box. And don’t have to torque down isolator. Is it ok to leave 2 isolates in 3 if you count the board ? Nice to see grumpy bastards back lol
I spend most days working out my exiting strategy. I was contacxted by an EV firm asking if I wanted to get more and I explained that I was actually after less.
Nice little job mate And I think you did a fantastic job on that new CU , then some fecking idiot go’s in and spoils it Don’t you just love em Fantastic video David and Nigel got his measurements spot on ⚡️👍👍👍👍❤️🎖
I commented on another electricians channel i think the chop to size bussbars should be scrapped and fixed bars like crabtree starbreaker design should only be available it would certainly save a great deal of hassle with board changes.
Connexbox used produce an enclosure fitted with din rail mounting Wago Topjob through terminals to extend from the original consumer position? DRE-5 I think.
@@dsesuk no I haven’t but I have used a Connexbox central heating junction box (DRE-1?) and liked the fact that all through terminal access is visible making the insertion of conductors easy . Wago Topjob through terminals, and like everything Wago make, are good quality. My only slight criticism is the smaller sizes like 1.5mm are a bit flimsy and need side support. Got to be better than those pissy screw fixing, through terminal, connectors where you’re never sure if the connection is permanent! The 3 screw drivers that Wago sell, to have the correct size to release the wire clamp, for each csa size of Topjob thru terminal, makes life asier.
David try out the GARO single mod RCBO they take a miniature double pole busbar and have no earth or neatral fly leeds. Very handy and looks great installed.
@@dsesuk Exactly David, slight differances only not worth the mention and in the grand scheme of things id go as fare as saying "Universal" unlike the tosspot highschoolers at ABB who bent us over there perverial barrel and gave it to us hardstyle with there new busbar entry design some Fridays ago and heaven knows it always happens on a Friday at 3fuckingPM
There's a ton of secondary tradesy skills you sparktricians need to be able to do - does electrician school teach you those as well as the wirey stuff or is it up to everybody to learn on their own somehow?
There are basic practical lessons, but the general expectation is that you're already handy with tools as an adult learner or that you'll pick up the skills on the job as an apprentice.
I poo them out irregularly, but there's another working its way through the bowls ready to pass through your letterbox and plop onto your doormat in the coming days Gary.
I agree there shouldn't be a 'tested by' label included with the CU, it takes bugger all to print your business labels clearly identifying who did the work. The new build rental I'm currently in doesnt have the installers details on the CU, and if I'd done the work I doubt I would either. I do have the installation report that looks like a lot of very similar impedance readings and very round numbers.
It's just such a meaningless label if it doesn't identify who is making the claim for when the last inspection was carried out and what qualifies them to be stating when the next is due. It gives a false sense of security for a competent installation when, in fact, the person filling out that sticker could be any old homeowner or handyman.
I definately would of turned the supply off to the close couple cistern and moved it out the way, would have made life much easier. As for CU's I will fit what ever is in stock and suits the needs of the site, though I am more picky when it comes to commercial and industrial as most things around here are using Eaton so it's easier to fit those to match in with existing. Nice job over all.
@@simoncrabb I suppose it's down to a persons skill set, after all it's 4 fixings and one water connection + possibly a new doughnut washer. I tend to have everything on the van for doing both the job they were doing and the toilet. That said I would have liked to see sleeving through the cavity and into the box, that's our company's preference due to building movement and depending on age what the cavity is filled with either getting out or reacting with the outer insulation of the cable. Unfortunately because the cistern was in the way the hole was rather high so it can't be used to get an additional EV cable through in the future.
I like the Fusebox gear. I think they were started by ex-Lewden guys. I've no worries fitting their wares, but some like to stick with Hager just as a safe bet, and Hager know that so they keep their prices up.
Dave, what's your view on tails passing through the wall without mechanical or RCD protection? I can't see a problem if I'm being realistic, but I figure the >
Straight through a wall: fine, passing up a wall either buried or in a cavity is where things get problematic. That' when armouring or fault protection needs considering.
After drilling half inch with the core bit take the pilot bit out as it's not needed anymore as the bit will continue in the same direction AND u don't need to hav the hammer action on with that style of bit so no vibrations for that bolt to loosen and it should be out completely before it enters the hole anyway....hope this helps
Another great video Dave, fitted a few of these boards they need to get the rcbo identification bigger need my magnifying glass to see the details also screws that hold bus bar are shit, maybe someone with your contacts can get them told👍
I'd prefer a spring clamp solution for extending wires as it's then basically maintenance free and won't get loose over time, spring clamp DIN rail block would be best, keeping packs of the blocks in the van stock wouldn't be expensive, WAGO aren't the only people that make spring DIN blocks. That said industrial sparks have been working with screwclamp DIN blocks for donkeys years without problems.
I was just thinking , do any of you guys use through crimps with heat shrink these days . We were always concerned about any mechanical Joint that could over time reopen , especially if the circuit is of a high amperage ie shower or cooker . I suppose admittedly I was a bit belt and braces in my time , but I’d be interested in what any of you think Best wishes and kind regards 😀👍👍👍
I never was a great fan of crimps Michael, and to be honest, the only time I use them these days is to splice a 10mm cable (or above) which I would then heatshrink. With push-fit connectors available, the faff of crimps is largely dispensed with, although most manufacturers only have push-fits for up to 6mm cable.
@@heladas90 It was a perfectly fine board - it's just whether it's on the shelf next time I need one. Chances are, CP Fusebox will be more readily available at my local CEF.
Nothing worse than having someone come and lash a cable into a board you’ve taken so much pride in! That would piss me right off, trunking is not expensive absolute lash and dash merchants them!
Your not wrong, you would think the following guy would look at the existing job and think it's neat, I need to keep it the same, but no, they lash in a bit of T&E, I am surprised they used a gland.
If going from outside put a steel plate between pipes and the wall in case you miss, cable you can fix, hit pipes and you'll have to call in a filthy plumber and never hear the end of it!
Hi David and Nige, from old spark from the 60s. I really love the long videos, I must be a boring old fart I got engrossed.The one thing that intrigued me was the Ze Zs readings I wouldn't expect to be totally consistent 1 digit variation or so, but the parallel paths must be a bit high not make any difference in the reading except be slightly higher?, I guess that the difference between theory and the real world. Sorry that Nige is till festering I hope he gets well soon. Peter.
Thanks Peter. An even longer one coming soon you may be pleased, or dismayed, to hear! The incoming water service was plastic and the gas pipework, despite being bonded, doesn't seem to be making any odds here as far as parallel paths go!
At the moment the market seems saturated with boards, and they are all similar looking, personally I would like to see some innovation, such as push in terminals on devices and fly leads omitted. I think click may have come a bit late to the party, to me, it looks like they have seen the impact fuse box have made, then jumped on the band wagon, also I prefer no knockouts around the board, except maybe one for the tails. Apparently the guy that sold control gear is behind fusebox, so I guess he knows what he's doing, and will probably be around for a while, unless he flogs it, plus I hear they have an AFDD out. As for the others time will tell, mk have thrown their hat in the ring again with boards however that part is Chinese owned.
This is why I've been preferring the SBS boards of late - the dual busbar form factor does away with flyleads and offers true double-pole operation even on MCBs. I've seen a picture of the Fusebox AFDD on Insta, but there was no detail regarding availability and pricing, so for all I know it may be just proof of concept artwork rather than a product ready for market. We'll see Anthony!
Exactly the same happened to me with exactly the same drill bit - £8 from the local corner shop, they’ve tools above the normal and shop and had one of those cores.. brilliant till I lost the pilot!!!
The pilot's always held in by something that's an afterthought Webby - a friggin' grub screw or a bolt that sticks proud of the thing and catches on what you're drilling!
Not sure why boards need to be a wholesaler thing, wholesalers are for the quick jobs you need parts same or next day. Bigger jobs and box changes generally have a lead time and ordering online for delivery has to be a better use of your time than driving to the wholesaler?
I tend not to deal with internet orders too much as I prefer a local counter where I can source goods, return unused/unneeded items and replace or return faulty items without the hassle of postage and packing. Yes, the internet can be cheaper. No, I'm not generally organised enough to be placing orders in advance for hardware I suspect I'll need for upcoming jobs, neither is someone necessarily available in the day to take in deliveries. Within a five minute drive from base I have access to CEF, Eddies, Toolstation, Screwfix, Denmans, and Leamington Electrical Distributors (a local independent). They also happen to be near the likes of Greggs, McDonalds the fuel stations and supermarkets and the pub we frequent which is open for coffee from 08:00. We're basically heading past one of these wholesalers every morning, so they work better for me than ordering over the 'net.
@@dsesuk I've seen a similar situation where there was little more than a sheet of 19 mm chipboard between the meter and the tiles in the downstairs loo. Must have been cold in winter!
Surface mounted is the way to go for relocation of the cut out / meter even if it's a cavity wall. It's the construction side that would make the recess type difficult. Should really have a lintel and cavity tray /weep vents installed above the enclosure as you would be creating a structural opening. Far too much of a ball ache in my opinion.
@@Daniells1982 Oh yeah, it's not a job I'd undertake. If a client wanted flush mounting, I'd get a builder to do all the tough stuff, but it would command a premium cost over simply bolting a box to the wall!
The boys are back in town. Only Mr Savery could sexualise a consumer unit to such a degree 😂 Thank god you posted & saved me from the total shite that is strictly or another MK base range advert.... sorry I mean "review" I agree flexi tales are the dogs doodahs & that sat nav outburst & the end made me laugh 😂 A good honest review of the Click CU, I will give one a try in the future.
why dont you drill your core drill hole on the study side DAVE AND Nigel sounds a bit dicey drilling near that service cable a few years ago i drilled through power cable on a 30 amp fuse which i did not know was there buried in plaster and that went with a hell of a bang i can tell you the tip of the masonary bit melted and i was seeing stars the rest of the day dont drill there old chap i think 16000 amps and you on the end of it is not good i am sitting here on my chair clenching my buttocks waiting for the bang its not worth the risk you and Nigel are the Laurel and hardy of the electrical world i want to continue to watch your entertaining videos not you playing your harp in heaven. keep up the hilarious work.
Dave , I found me is a bit is be that essentially you have to use the same manufacturers CB,rccb, rcbo, while all.of those should be tested/rated to the same BS. So it should not matter which brand you use.
The trouble comes with type-testing rather than British Standards. Brand X certifies their boards only for use with their components, so if you stick in Brand Y, you accept responsibility for the manufacture. That is to say, if a fire occurs in a Wylex board after you shoehorned in a Hager breaker, then potentially you're the one in trouble as Wylex will say non-type tested equipment was installed (whether the fire was related to that or not). Regulation 536.4.203 appeared in 18th Edition for this and it makes mixing manufacturers a non compliance and your responsibility as the installer.
@@dsesuk Fair play, hopefully it'll blend in once painted same as the gas? Someone else has already said but that heat pump work is shocking, pun perhaps intended.
Interesting comment regarding hager V fusebox .I remember back in the 80's when hager first started appearing,the "ole boys" wouldn't use that foreign rubbish and stuck with the likes of wylex.
The sub-board and pump (on the other side of the house) were okay, it's just a shame to see the T&E coming out of my board like that and to have the SWA across the front face of the house. I'd have run it in the roof space above for the most part, having taken the feed through the rear of the CU and up the cupboard in the bathroom with all the other wiring to keep it concealed as much as possible. Still, that's the problem with the big renewable boys - just staple it on and move to the next one.
That circuit they have added for the heat pump looks utter shit! I mean who thinks a fucking cable flapping randomly down the wall in the breeze is acceptable?
Very kind Keith, but it's another one where I stand back and wince a little as I look at it. Well, at the stuff that's not on show anyway. What the customer sees is a nice looking Elucian board on their wall. Until someone comes along and wangs a dirty T&E off the bottom of it!
The spooky thing is that the radio only malfunctioned in this way on two days - on this job on both visits fourteen weeks apart. It hasn't done it at any other time. How odd is that?
Well this isn't wasn't what I had in mind when I searched '2 dicks 1 hole'.
This may end up as my highest visited video... and with the most thumbs-down.
Not my proudest fap I must say
@@dsesuk or thumbs in…..😂😂😂👍🇮🇲
Only you can get away with a title like this 😎
It'll probably be yet another one YT demonetises in short order for falling foul of one of their ever changing guidelines.
Loving the cross channel banter as always 😀
As far as I am concerned the second those AFDD's are mandatory is the second the industry officially switches from genuine safety into a money making scam for manufacturers to cream it in at the expense of consumers. Its a great way to discourage people from getting professionals in too, make it so expensive people bulk at the cost and go back to using their mate from the pub to do their electrical work.
If AFDDs become mandated, I won't be the only one routinely switching to departures just to get new boards on the wall. Not unless they cost the same as an RCBO and contain the same functionality like the Wylex ones (and fat chance of that).
@@dsesuk Totallt agree David I don’t see how it can be financially viable for the average household which requires a consumer unit upgrade or rewire etc to have these installed.
I, like you think they will fall by the wayside or like yourself will be using the departures column on the installation Certs.
Great content as always, I agree regarding board changes, as soon as the power is off and I’ve dismantled the existing installation, I always think “Think is the point of no return,8 do hope this isn’t an absolute arse 🤣”
'bulk' -> 'baulk' (or 'balk' if you prefer US English)
Phoenix contact does a really skinny 3 level din module (1/3rd or something) with earth, neutral, line-line, neutral, earth connections top to bottom, with proper colors on the module as well, spring terminals that take all sorts of conductor types, and they can even be linked sideways. Not sure on the conductor sizes though, but the once I’ve used probably go up to 4mm2 at least. We use them a lot for mains distribution in panels, and it’s compact as can be.
Kept bothering me, so I had to look it up, 3210538 is the part number, takes a 4mm2 conductor, but only rated to 24A sadly, so a bit anemic.
That was a nice bit work .
Nice tidy CU change, and Nigel measurement were spot on for for the meter box , you did a fantastic job with the CU . The someone comes in afterwords and spoils it by throwing a lump of flex in
Fantastic video guy’s as always 👍👍👍❤️🎖
Are core drill bits designed to be used with a hammer action ? what bit is that you are using that allows the SDS drill to be used ?
Proper job dude although I always thought hammertime should be switched off when core drilling. Please launch special brew at me Mick Dundee style if I am wrong. Board change was neat enough until captain wangman came along a ferked it all up.
The relationship you have with your satnav is goals, Sir!
She and I normally get on rather well. Of course, I don't always follow her directions.
I think the homeowner would be ill advised to consider air source heating in his type of structure. But unfortunately many companies are pushing it even if it is totally unsuitable for most houses in the Uk . Nice to see the dynamic duo back in action, spreading their own brand of peace joy and happiness . Best wishes and kind regards to you both 😀👍👍👍
Another excellent videogram from the master of electrical installations.
I fitted an Elucian board this week and was most confused by the lack of instructions with the SPD. Today I returned to the local wholesalers and we decided to ring technical support. They advise that no breaker was required, the SPD fits where your master switch sits, the master switch moves to the left two spaces and the tails kit should screw into the new position. However early boards did not have the additional holes ( for the tails clamp) drilled in the DIN rail. So drill your own or bin it!.
A PDF is available, and I have the article to hand, or you can probably download it.
Regards TC
Oh. Well that's interesting! A lot of early SPD boards from other brands had the 'unprotected' SPD design, but they tended to fall out of favour. The likes of CP Fusebox for example changed theirs to include an MCB. Personally, I prefer an MCB for two reasons: firstly because the SPD could fail short-circuit and the unprotected design relies on spring-loaded solder joints within the SPD assembly melting to break contact before the main fuse blows. Secondly, figure 534.8 (p.169) defines the length between the OCPD and SPD which, if the OCPD is the main fuse, can't be satisfied it seems to me. If I were to fit another, I'd do it in the same way again.
sounds like Dave likes hybrid minds drum and bass
Wago Topjobs are the push in type for din rail mount, no screws !!
You have been a good brand ambassador for Metrel , hope they are watching !
Stellar work chaps. So annoying that the heat pump wombles couldn't do their bit tidyer - do you guys put any kinda sticker seals on boards for warranty or anything?
We looked at the Boddingtons tail stripper at Elex a couple of years ago, definitely seemed to be something that earnt it's money.
Thanks Mr Ninja. We don't sticker the board with any tamper labels at present. Usually, I have the test data plus photographs of it before and after which makes for a very boring camera roll on my phone but serves to evidence what we did. I have considered tamper labels, and maybe it is something we should be putting on. With this one, I knew we'd be back in later weeks anyway, but then I also knew third parties would be making alterations, after all, I left spare MCBs in place specifically for them to run sub-boards off. I just hope the EV and PV guys recognise there are non-RCD circuitways with MCBs they can utilise and they don't go doing anything daft like breaking a sub-board into the tails.
Old Wylex fuse (wire) box above our bath with shower!!! We don't spray it with the shower and it is boxed off, but it is, along with the rest of the house, a wiring nightmare. It works though - but dreading an EICR 😡😡😡, or having to go down the electric car route.
I have the same issue with the armeg torque bit for the smaller star size last about 40 circuits then ping. Snaps and it's not doing a great deal of pressure ethier,
The board looks decent still the double pole lad seems the way to go for me. But like you say its really what the wholesalers has and price.
I laughed far more than I should have with the sat nav interruptions
Great video again.
After 47 minutes of watching a hole being drilled, I was just wondering why these productions are so interesting when I and the other 22 thousand unsuspecting viewers were collectively referred to as 'arseholes'. This was both offensive and shocking (but not as shocking as that heat pump cabling..WTF?). I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms - Mr Moanrim of Tunbridge Wells.
Joking aside, it is always good to watch your knowledgeable and conscientious take on the industry David.
"DEANO" never let's down especially when in a hurry. I've had my armeg torque driver snap twice on RCBOs. A quick trip to CEF and they change is free of charge.
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I'm quite happy for the network operator to be digging the hole and repairing the plumbing when it gets damaged!
We've found that with the Armeg torque driver bits too .. they seem to be overly brittle.
Their latest holesaws are shit too now they no longer look like the staratt ones
And what a wide hole it was.
Was the dropped nut ever found?
Love click mode accessories, probably might try the consumer unit hopefully they become as popular as there accessories, thanks Dave 😊 👍
Dave, you should name and shame the heat pump installers.
It's incredible that they think that's acceptable after seeing your work.
Nice to see Nige back in action. Linda was a great asset - she taught me a new phrase for the state of female excitation - I think I’ve been out of the UK for too long!!!
I'm sure Linda will be back again with more new words and phrases!
For stripping tails I use the knipex stripper, the one for flex. I run it round once and then the outer sheath comes off. then move it down and it cuts through leaving a little lip of inner insulation. works a treat.
I have one of those. Not sure why I didn't employ it here as I have used it on tails before.
FuseBox are meant to be bringing out an AFD shortly. I think it’s a single module, I hope it will have RCD and over current in it.
I saw a picture on Instagram. No detail of release date or pricing though. It's the cost that will sink or swim AFDDs. If amendment 2 mandates them and the cost of a new CU ends up in the high hundreds or even into the thousands (as mine was), then there'll be an awful lot of certs showing departures.
@@dsesuk What do you mean by certs showing departures (I'm a noob at all this)
I went to the wholestealers the other day wanting to buy a buzz bar none in stock.
Loads of bus bars though
My armeg torque screwdriver small modulo bit crumbled too. Think they might have an issue.
I tried a Hager board to see the quality people shout about but I don’t think the bank balance can handle that again😂
I was a lewden chap but I must admit the fuse box boards are my go to now!😊
The SBS board sounds intriguing? Did you do a vid on it David?
Keep on smiling😊
There are a couple of SBS vids, plus another to come, although that may be some time away.
@@dsesuk
Jeez that was a quick reply!
Has the beer run out?😂
@@bertiebassett1972 What can I say, sober October chief! The liver needs a holiday!
I find it interesting that there's a lot of hype around Hager, there's nothing a Hager board offers over a cheap brand.
With more expensive brands your paying for certain features, like plugin devices or devices without fly leads, you don't get any of that from Hager.
And these people should have seen the crap Hager were churning out in the early 90's, basically a plastic enclosure with a front end RCD. There were cheap, because the firm I was working for at the time fitted them on thousands of redrow houses.
@@acelectricalsecurity Hager's strength is their availability from pretty much any wholesaler, but other than that I don't find them any different to anyone else. It's good that they haven't changed their design for donkeys unlike, say, Eaton whose boards from twenty years ago are now hard to find spares for (and they cost a packet when you do). Hager's plastic CUs were awful though. How many have you come across where the lid is taped shut because it wouldn't stay shut?!
I've always fitted hager boards, but my new company use lewden and I actually rate them alot.
GOOD OLD PABLO TO THE RESCUE LOL. WINK WINK. Tell me why it’s ok to extend cables in plastic enclosure but have to update to metal consumer box. And don’t have to torque down isolator. Is it ok to leave 2 isolates in 3 if you count the board ? Nice to see grumpy bastards back lol
A set of connectors isn't "switchgear"
Half decent job there David, can’t stand dB changes either, in fact I can’t stand electrics all together now.
😂😂, I know the feeling👍
I spend most days working out my exiting strategy. I was contacxted by an EV firm asking if I wanted to get more and I explained that I was actually after less.
House bashing is just s***.
@@Monkey_slapping_keys all helps to paying the bills
Nice little job mate
And I think you did a fantastic job on that new CU , then some fecking idiot go’s in and spoils it
Don’t you just love em
Fantastic video David and Nigel got his measurements spot on
⚡️👍👍👍👍❤️🎖
Looks a good install of the D/B fair play Dave 👌💪👌
Luton town 5- 0 Coventry 😂😂👍 great title I'm fitting a fuse box tomorrow first time I've used them and I saw it first on your channel 👍
Is that a Fusebox fuse box you're fitting?
@@dsesuk i fit them all the time, never had an issue, and they beat hager at the x1 tripping, hagers often fail at the 180 x1 RCD test.
I commented on another electricians channel i think the chop to size bussbars should be scrapped and fixed bars like crabtree starbreaker design should only be available it would certainly save a great deal of hassle with board changes.
Connexbox used produce an enclosure fitted with din rail mounting Wago Topjob through terminals to extend from the original consumer position? DRE-5 I think.
Yeah, I saw that at Elex last month. Haven't tried it yet, have you?
@@dsesuk no I haven’t but I have used a Connexbox central heating junction box (DRE-1?) and liked the fact that all through terminal access is visible making the insertion of conductors easy . Wago Topjob through terminals, and like everything Wago make, are good quality. My only slight criticism is the smaller sizes like 1.5mm are a bit flimsy and need side support. Got to be better than those pissy screw fixing, through terminal, connectors where you’re never sure if the connection is permanent!
The 3 screw drivers that Wago sell, to have the correct size to release the wire clamp, for each csa size of Topjob thru terminal, makes life asier.
David try out the GARO single mod RCBO they take a miniature double pole busbar and have no earth or neatral fly leeds. Very handy and looks great installed.
I know Garo do double-module devices Noel, but have they a single module DP model out like SBS's stuff?
@@dsesuk Exactly David, slight differances only not worth the mention and in the grand scheme of things id go as fare as saying "Universal" unlike the tosspot highschoolers at ABB who bent us over there perverial barrel and gave it to us hardstyle with there new busbar entry design some Fridays ago and heaven knows it always happens on a Friday at 3fuckingPM
the video version of verbal diarrhoea - funny and entertaining though 🤣
There's a ton of secondary tradesy skills you sparktricians need to be able to do - does electrician school teach you those as well as the wirey stuff or is it up to everybody to learn on their own somehow?
There are basic practical lessons, but the general expectation is that you're already handy with tools as an adult learner or that you'll pick up the skills on the job as an apprentice.
@@dsesuk Gotcha, thank you, squire o7
I was thinking earlier that Mr Savery hasn't posted a video in ages, and then, as if by magic, one appears.
I poo them out irregularly, but there's another working its way through the bowls ready to pass through your letterbox and plop onto your doormat in the coming days Gary.
I await the next movement with interest.
Has nige ever done a full weeks work david?? 🤣 might aswell get rid an spend the extra dosh on special brew and brasses
I agree there shouldn't be a 'tested by' label included with the CU, it takes bugger all to print your business labels clearly identifying who did the work.
The new build rental I'm currently in doesnt have the installers details on the CU, and if I'd done the work I doubt I would either. I do have the installation report that looks like a lot of very similar impedance readings and very round numbers.
It's just such a meaningless label if it doesn't identify who is making the claim for when the last inspection was carried out and what qualifies them to be stating when the next is due. It gives a false sense of security for a competent installation when, in fact, the person filling out that sticker could be any old homeowner or handyman.
It sadly looks like that is who the label is aimed for.
I definately would of turned the supply off to the close couple cistern and moved it out the way, would have made life much easier. As for CU's I will fit what ever is in stock and suits the needs of the site, though I am more picky when it comes to commercial and industrial as most things around here are using Eaton so it's easier to fit those to match in with existing. Nice job over all.
I don't see the need to stay playing with fire and move the cistern, Nige seemed to manage just fine.
@@simoncrabb I suppose it's down to a persons skill set, after all it's 4 fixings and one water connection + possibly a new doughnut washer. I tend to have everything on the van for doing both the job they were doing and the toilet. That said I would have liked to see sleeving through the cavity and into the box, that's our company's preference due to building movement and depending on age what the cavity is filled with either getting out or reacting with the outer insulation of the cable. Unfortunately because the cistern was in the way the hole was rather high so it can't be used to get an additional EV cable through in the future.
Fusebox is here to stay I’ve fitted these for 2 years and never had a issue
I mean they are doing double pole A type RCBOS for cheaper than Hager and Wylex, it's a better product for cheaper it's a no brainer
I like the Fusebox gear. I think they were started by ex-Lewden guys. I've no worries fitting their wares, but some like to stick with Hager just as a safe bet, and Hager know that so they keep their prices up.
Dave, what's your view on tails passing through the wall without mechanical or RCD protection? I can't see a problem if I'm being realistic, but I figure the >
Straight through a wall: fine, passing up a wall either buried or in a cavity is where things get problematic. That' when armouring or fault protection needs considering.
After drilling half inch with the core bit take the pilot bit out as it's not needed anymore as the bit will continue in the same direction AND u don't need to hav the hammer action on with that style of bit so no vibrations for that bolt to loosen and it should be out completely before it enters the hole anyway....hope this helps
This type core drill needs hammer mode. The diamond core drill is the one that doesnt
Another great video Dave, fitted a few of these boards they need to get the rcbo identification bigger need my magnifying glass to see the details also screws that hold bus bar are shit, maybe someone with your contacts can get them told👍
That's a good point I failed to address John. The writing on the devices is tiny and it's tricky to identify the breaker value and type.
I was actually watching double penetration footage as this hit my notifications 🚨 the synchronicity of the lord…
A religious a-wank-ening.
A calling of the higher powers?
I'd prefer a spring clamp solution for extending wires as it's then basically maintenance free and won't get loose over time, spring clamp DIN rail block would be best, keeping packs of the blocks in the van stock wouldn't be expensive, WAGO aren't the only people that make spring DIN blocks. That said industrial sparks have been working with screwclamp DIN blocks for donkeys years without problems.
I was just thinking , do any of you guys use through crimps with heat shrink these days . We were always concerned about any mechanical Joint that could over time reopen , especially if the circuit is of a high amperage ie shower or cooker . I suppose admittedly I was a bit belt and braces in my time , but I’d be interested in what any of you think Best wishes and kind regards 😀👍👍👍
I never was a great fan of crimps Michael, and to be honest, the only time I use them these days is to splice a 10mm cable (or above) which I would then heatshrink. With push-fit connectors available, the faff of crimps is largely dispensed with, although most manufacturers only have push-fits for up to 6mm cable.
Where the tails next to the pipes hidden within the wall?
The years haven’t been kind to Maverick & Goose ..
You need to try a CP fuse box for your next board I think you'll like them.
I've other vids where we've put in CP Fusebox wares. They were my go-to in 2019/2020, but recently I've been favouring the SBS dual busbar boards.
This click board seemed a bit lackluster, Is that your last one do you think?
@@heladas90 It was a perfectly fine board - it's just whether it's on the shelf next time I need one. Chances are, CP Fusebox will be more readily available at my local CEF.
Nothing worse than having someone come and lash a cable into a board you’ve taken so much pride in! That would piss me right off, trunking is not expensive absolute lash and dash merchants them!
Your not wrong, you would think the following guy would look at the existing job and think it's neat, I need to keep it the same, but no, they lash in a bit of T&E, I am surprised they used a gland.
@@acelectricalsecurity You’d think wouldn’t you mate but some people are just rough as a badgers arse I’m afraid!
Am I missing something but couldn't you just fit the box a bit higher up so the holes matched up?
He wanted it to be level with the gas meter box right next to it.
If going from outside put a steel plate between pipes and the wall in case you miss, cable you can fix, hit pipes and you'll have to call in a filthy plumber and never hear the end of it!
Hi David and Nige, from old spark from the 60s. I really love the long videos, I must be a boring old fart I got engrossed.The one thing that intrigued me was the Ze Zs readings I wouldn't expect to be totally consistent 1 digit variation or so, but the parallel paths must be a bit high not make any difference in the reading except be slightly higher?, I guess that the difference between theory and the real world. Sorry that Nige is till festering I hope he gets well soon.
Peter.
Thanks Peter. An even longer one coming soon you may be pleased, or dismayed, to hear! The incoming water service was plastic and the gas pipework, despite being bonded, doesn't seem to be making any odds here as far as parallel paths go!
Nick looks smart in mag 🤔
All well and good folk relying on established brands... until the plug gets pulled... as per MK!
They even put brown and blue dots on the head 😂
Haha! I hadn't noticed that! Gives the guy hooking it up half a chance!
Firstly better than Shitley come dancing.
Board looked fine to me, and workmanship BTW.
Love Hager but they have just out priced themselves,
Anything's better than the loser-celeb talent show! I agree that Hager is a good marque, but they're too damned expensive. I just can't use 'em.
At the moment the market seems saturated with boards, and they are all similar looking, personally I would like to see some innovation, such as push in terminals on devices and fly leads omitted.
I think click may have come a bit late to the party, to me, it looks like they have seen the impact fuse box have made, then jumped on the band wagon, also I prefer no knockouts around the board, except maybe one for the tails.
Apparently the guy that sold control gear is behind fusebox, so I guess he knows what he's doing, and will probably be around for a while, unless he flogs it, plus I hear they have an AFDD out.
As for the others time will tell, mk have thrown their hat in the ring again with boards however that part is Chinese owned.
This is why I've been preferring the SBS boards of late - the dual busbar form factor does away with flyleads and offers true double-pole operation even on MCBs. I've seen a picture of the Fusebox AFDD on Insta, but there was no detail regarding availability and pricing, so for all I know it may be just proof of concept artwork rather than a product ready for market. We'll see Anthony!
39:46 is that Nige's new nickname? "Half a Hole" 😆😆😆
Half a hole Nige makes a change from half a job Nige! Cheers for the brew BTW.
@David Savery Electrical Services You're welcome 😎
Nigel u already have one of those jobs working with Dave
"it seems my van-cam has decided to apply a farting noise to its audio" It's the camera's built in profanity filter Mr Savery
Exactly the same happened to me with exactly the same drill bit - £8 from the local corner shop, they’ve tools above the normal and shop and had one of those cores.. brilliant till I lost the pilot!!!
The pilot's always held in by something that's an afterthought Webby - a friggin' grub screw or a bolt that sticks proud of the thing and catches on what you're drilling!
@@dsesuk I know I’ve got the exact same one pal, luckily I was drilling down and managed to find everytging
@@dsesuk sorry I didn’t explain myself to well - 5/6 tinnys in like!
@@Webbster77 Good man!
The pilot bit in a core drill is only intended to be used to get the outer hole started, then you remove it and core the hole without it.
I really enjoyed this video Dave!
UK electricians come into the stranges places!In a bathroom,of all places!!We in the Netherlands only see them in the Meter board.
That's not the norm I assure you Peter! This bathroom used to be a garage.
Not sure why boards need to be a wholesaler thing, wholesalers are for the quick jobs you need parts same or next day. Bigger jobs and box changes generally have a lead time and ordering online for delivery has to be a better use of your time than driving to the wholesaler?
I tend not to deal with internet orders too much as I prefer a local counter where I can source goods, return unused/unneeded items and replace or return faulty items without the hassle of postage and packing. Yes, the internet can be cheaper. No, I'm not generally organised enough to be placing orders in advance for hardware I suspect I'll need for upcoming jobs, neither is someone necessarily available in the day to take in deliveries. Within a five minute drive from base I have access to CEF, Eddies, Toolstation, Screwfix, Denmans, and Leamington Electrical Distributors (a local independent). They also happen to be near the likes of Greggs, McDonalds the fuel stations and supermarkets and the pub we frequent which is open for coffee from 08:00. We're basically heading past one of these wholesalers every morning, so they work better for me than ordering over the 'net.
With all the visits Pablo makes he'll be needing a helicopter🤣 Does he travel as far as Jersey 🇯🇪 🤔 asking for a friend obviously 🙄 😉
Surely he must live their by now, he must be a millionaire, he has the disconnection market sewn up, his own cartel 😂😂
@@acelectricalsecurity 🤣🤣🤣 O live here, and can confirm I'm not as rich as Pablo!
That heat pump twin and earth flapping about was just lazy.
At least Western Power polish their head helmets to a nice shiny finish !!!
Wankers!
Din Rail Terminals - just like giving pills to a cat
Haha! So true!
Seeing this title I was thinking it was a video of my mothering law 😂
Isn't that meter cab supposed to be sunk into the wall? 🤔 Otherwise awesome job. Looks a good consumer unit.
They can be sunk or surface mounted. In this case, it's a single skin wall, so sinking isn't an option or the back of it would be in the bathroom!
@@dsesuk I've seen a similar situation where there was little more than a sheet of 19 mm chipboard between the meter and the tiles in the downstairs loo. Must have been cold in winter!
Surface mounted is the way to go for relocation of the cut out / meter even if it's a cavity wall. It's the construction side that would make the recess type difficult. Should really have a lintel and cavity tray /weep vents installed above the enclosure as you would be creating a structural opening. Far too much of a ball ache in my opinion.
@@Daniells1982 Oh yeah, it's not a job I'd undertake. If a client wanted flush mounting, I'd get a builder to do all the tough stuff, but it would command a premium cost over simply bolting a box to the wall!
If it were my own house I'd want it sinking into the wall. It just looks nicer. Though I accept that in some cases it's not possible.
The boys are back in town.
Only Mr Savery could sexualise a consumer unit to such a degree 😂
Thank god you posted & saved me from the total shite that is strictly or another MK base range advert.... sorry I mean "review"
I agree flexi tales are the dogs doodahs & that sat nav outburst & the end made me laugh 😂
A good honest review of the Click CU, I will give one a try in the future.
Good video David …… did Nigel use Bundy10 for his 10% left of hair
Keep it up master electricians
I always knew Nige was a drum and bass head
why dont you drill your core drill hole on the study side DAVE AND Nigel sounds a bit dicey drilling near that service cable a few years ago i drilled through power cable on a 30 amp fuse which i did not know was there buried in plaster and that went with a hell of a bang i can tell you the tip of the masonary bit melted and i was seeing stars the rest of the day dont drill there old chap i think 16000 amps and you on the end of it is not good i am sitting here on my chair clenching my buttocks waiting for the bang its not worth the risk you and Nigel are the Laurel and hardy of the electrical world i want to continue to watch your entertaining videos not you playing your harp in heaven. keep up the hilarious work.
Great 👍 video thank you 🙏
Did you leave Nige on the job !!!!
What a sh1t connection to CU that the others installed. Can't beleive that they did not run the cable up the wall in a umch neater way.
Dave , I found me is a bit is be that essentially you have to use the same manufacturers CB,rccb, rcbo, while all.of those should be tested/rated to the same BS. So it should not matter which brand you use.
The trouble comes with type-testing rather than British Standards. Brand X certifies their boards only for use with their components, so if you stick in Brand Y, you accept responsibility for the manufacture. That is to say, if a fire occurs in a Wylex board after you shoehorned in a Hager breaker, then potentially you're the one in trouble as Wylex will say non-type tested equipment was installed (whether the fire was related to that or not). Regulation 536.4.203 appeared in 18th Edition for this and it makes mixing manufacturers a non compliance and your responsibility as the installer.
Such a shame the box wasn't sunken into the wall!
The meter box? That was a single skin wall, there was no cavity to it.
@@dsesuk Fair play, hopefully it'll blend in once painted same as the gas? Someone else has already said but that heat pump work is shocking, pun perhaps intended.
A brown paint job would be the first thing I would be doing if it was my house lol.
Yes Dave the rave loves the DnB!
Interesting comment regarding hager V fusebox .I remember back in the 80's when hager first started appearing,the "ole boys" wouldn't use that foreign rubbish and stuck with the likes of wylex.
Nice video as usual ...great workmanship and funny as fuck tom tom/gps interupts...like having a wife in the van lol
That heat pump work looks shit.
The sub-board and pump (on the other side of the house) were okay, it's just a shame to see the T&E coming out of my board like that and to have the SWA across the front face of the house. I'd have run it in the roof space above for the most part, having taken the feed through the rear of the CU and up the cupboard in the bathroom with all the other wiring to keep it concealed as much as possible. Still, that's the problem with the big renewable boys - just staple it on and move to the next one.
@@dsesuk I bet they didn't even terminate the SWA correctly in that wiska box...
Now this title is not suitable for the snow flakes in my college some one would throw a tantrum.
Nice job 😎
That circuit they have added for the heat pump looks utter shit! I mean who thinks a fucking cable flapping randomly down the wall in the breeze is acceptable?
Not a lot of thought seems to have gone into that bit.
Thoroughly entertaining. Bit disappointed though at the lack of swearing and sexual innuendo!
Dave seemed a bit stressed out. 🤪
Mental note*
Must keep WPD away from poo pipe.
Not their fault - it was a ceramic pipe buried in the concrete. They made a sterling effort to fix it though.
Fookin luv it!
Hi David and part time nigel
I do like your honest opinion on what you fit
And nothing wrong with your neatness .
But again honest
Very kind Keith, but it's another one where I stand back and wince a little as I look at it. Well, at the stuff that's not on show anyway. What the customer sees is a nice looking Elucian board on their wall. Until someone comes along and wangs a dirty T&E off the bottom of it!
He's one of the few on YT where you will get a credible review of a product
Sound quality in the van at the start was terrible David🙁
I know, I know. The camera used was fine in previous videos, but recently it seems to have developed a fault.
@@dsesuk Doesn’t detract from the inane babble and bullshit we’ve come to love and expect…….lol 👍💪😂🇮🇲💖
Good vid david
David a secret DnB head 🤣🤣 that old chestnut the radio kicked in 🤣
The spooky thing is that the radio only malfunctioned in this way on two days - on this job on both visits fourteen weeks apart. It hasn't done it at any other time. How odd is that?
@@dsesuk spooky the job must be haunted and the ghost of that house had come back with you and they have a keen interest in DnB
@@KnugenMooMoo Aye. That or my farting van cam is interfering with the bloody thing!
Keeps coming back for that farting Sir
Ha, great title
Dave the rave
Both of you should really have hearing protection on.