A proper builder's breakfast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- A call out to the same place featured in our toilet tripping video from June and where we have a new fault to find, only now some new electrical work has gone in as part of an extension. Coincidence? Or could this dog’s dinner be a builder’s breakfast? Hmmm... I wonder…
Yes, we informed the homeowner we were getting this one on camera so that we couldn’t be accused of any untoward meddling by the builder who has energised new circuits installed with all the workmanship of a boiled potato. Here, I’ve listed some of the basic regulatory non-compliances as we’ve gone along so that you can play the fun game of looking them up for yourselves, but it should be noted that the regulations identified are not necessarily exhaustive, indeed if you believe I’ve missed out any that are relevant to the horrors evident herein, feel free to pipe up in the comments.
In my telephonic argument with the asshat who performed this work, he not only angrily stated he was an electrician (snort!) but that he “does loads of work for the Council!” Oddly enough, I’ve heard that before - like council work is supposed to be some kind of badge of honour or high accreditation. I’m not sure why anyone would think they’re the dogs-bollocks by being able to say “I do low-cost repairs to cack social housing and cash-strapped public buildings for a bunch of public sector layabouts in cheap Tesco suits who haven’t the first clue about whether the workmanship is competent or not!” Still, he was sporting such as a chufty badge for whatever he thought it was worth, yet on my impressed-o-meter which has a calibrated scale of “so-f*cking-what” all the way up to “allow-me-to-give-you-oral-sex-right-now”, his boasting scored a lowly “piss-off-you-clown” which, needless to say, is waaaay down toward the bottom end.
If he can’t see what’s wrong with his work, then he’s ignorant at best. Unfortunately, he’ll likely kill someone else rather than himself as that generally seems to be the way the world works.
Anyway, you don’t need me to tell you this guy is a clueless liability, and you don’t need to hear any defence he may have for why he left this installation in the condition we found it in. The cold, hard facts are that numerous violations to BS7671 were evident in his work, and yet that hadn’t stopped him from energising it for a period of days. He’d left the installation in a more dangerous condition than before he started and he should never have made live any wiring that was not RCD protected, in contact with non-electrical services, sporting exposed basic insulation, lacking CPC continuity on live cabling, opened live parts to exposure in the consumer unit and with an insulation resistance fault introduced through his own cack-handedness that left this family home tripping off whenever high current loads were in use.
As for twisting cores and ringing a three-outlet circuit in a tiny extension… well, back to school with you sonny as you obviously haven’t been to a training college of any kind anytime recently, and for goodness sake, take a peek inside BS7671 you complete dickhead.
One thing I would say is that we ourselves have ballsed-up here as what we should have done to limit our own liability was ascertain at the CU that the fault was on the new wiring, disconnected that new wiring, plugged the CU gaps and walked away leaving the original installer to perform the fautfinding and to accept the responsibility of re-energising their circuits.
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I would of disconnected all the new circuits and issued a danger notice for him to give the builder. Stating all the faults you found in his substandard installation & the fact he energised it untested in a dangerous state. Has he given the customer a Cert? I doubt it I expect Pavlov down the pub hasn’t got round to it yet!
You're right Guy. We re-energised the sockets following some testing, but it would have been best to have just left it all disconnected at the CU. After all, how do we know other aspects of the installation are as required. For example, are cables buried in the walls even in prescribed zones? What we should have done here was identify there was a fault on the new wiring and left it as that: faulty but disconnected at the CU. We should then have patched up the holes in the CU to get the power back to legacy circuits while informing the homeowner of our concerns over the work for him to communicate to the installer the next day. Really, it was the installer's job to uncock his own errors, if he indeed had the skillset to do so, and to take responsibility for re-energising his work. We ballsed-up here up by interfering, correcting a fault and powering it back on, and had any incidents or accidents occurred through other issues on that shoddy work which we failed to notice in between our visit and the installer's return, we would have been liable.
@@dsesuk I’m not an electrician, but this is a classic example of a client taking the &!££. Across the two videos, it’s clear they’re quite happy to do jobs on the cheap and only invite the expert when things go wrong. Personally I think your reply to Guy is right, along with maybe an email or call to building control to alert them to a potentially substandard building project. Oh and next time they call, you’re busy ;)
@@jamessharples9186 agreed on be busy... customers like that will always cut corners :(
@@dsesuk dont think you would have been held liable as you work with due diligence and the tests with the meter exonerate you ! and the trouble with you and nigel is you are both good caring guys that do not like to see people took for a ride , it was my downfall in previous years and guaranteed that customer you bent over backwards to help will try and frame you taking your kindness as weakness !
@@jamessharples9186 The guy may want things on the cheap. That doesn’t stop new cables and sockets be routed and terminated to basic standards
The final five minutes of the video were legendary and exactly why I subscribe to this channel.
😄Yeah, he laid out the truth. Builders obviously trying to wriggle out of it.
No fancy editing, no arse trembling music, good honest fault finding. Another fine video old chap(s) 🍻
"What do you think Nyge"
*long pause, clearly deep in thought"
"Yeeeeee, builders breakfast" hahahaha
What frustrates me is the homeowner clearly has a problem with the electricians (builders) work but hasn’t got them back to rectify their own issue and then has the audacity to put you on speaker in front of the accused lol.
Great video Dave! Sterling effort by the both of you! 👍🏻
I think the homeowner has had some problems getting these chaps back to finish the job which tells you everything you need to know about them. I suspect it may have been troublesome for some days before we got called in to get the RCD stable.
Well it needs someone with test equipment. He also respects Dave for quickly finding the fault previously.
Would you let that bunch of Pilchards back in your home with tools?
I think getting a grown-up (DSES) to do the remedials is a MUCH better idea..
Personally I bill the brick-monkey for the work too!
Used to drink at my mates and he had a DIY dad and he showed me his garage, he added a socket below the board for his radio, ran nicely in conduit to a metal clad socket. He explained to me about all sockets having to be on a ring as its the law. He'd ran 2x2.5mm twins and put the 1 socket on a 32a ring haha.
Well at least he is garenteed to never overload that circuit.
But those sockets can pull 24amps all day long every day
@@richardpoulter2146 a single socket ( which I think dc27 meant) is only 13 amps, or 26 max if a double. To actually be pulling over 20 amps for any length of time from one socket would take some serious effort though, 2 space heaters would still only be 20 amps and unless its the depths of winter they won't be running for that long.
@@conorlanders8401 In garages I find they use welders that melt their own plugs don’t be basing everything on heaters 👍
@@richardpoulter2146 great for the getto blaster and amps
:)
I forgot to mention I really enjoyed the video. The non compliances found and corresponding regs numbers are a great idea, and it’s the first time I’ve seen it done. You’ve set a very good precedent Mr Savery!
Who argues with God. The builder should be saying sorry for disrespecting you. How dare he. Your people are with you. Great Vid.
God? I don't know about that. The wife shouts "Oh God!" when I ask her for sex if that means anything?
@@dsesuk "Oh God" I cant wait is what she means
@@dsesuk its not a straight piss off then :)
Great hard core sparkies (from South Africa), great channel.
You are completely in the right. The other guy has been caught out and is just trying to wriggle out of it to keep the homeowners on side. He should pay your bill! I would be interested to hear his particular interpretation of the regs that can justify leaving a installation in that condition!
this type of content on your channel is why i subscribed - informative and funny while exposing cack contractors
Great Video Dave, I like your no nonsense approach to fault finding. You made the most important point he (the builder) left the installation in a dangerous state and energised - end of story. The homeowner is lucky you like to fix problems and not just turn it off and stick a warning notice on it. They won’t get any certification and won’t give it a second thought. People need to hire professional electricians to do electrical work, most builders don’t work on gas because it is against the law but they are happy to have a go at the electrics and it is just as dangerous. I know so many people who have electrical work done by anyone but insist on a gas engineer fixing their boiler it makes no sense. Keep up the good fight Dave
I subscribe to a few different electrical channels, for different reasons, and while I still learn a fair bit from you guys what I really like is the typical down to earth style. no sugar coating, just telling it as it is!
Looking forward to the video where you report on the "finished" work and the cert was done from the van
Great Videos on Fault Finding And Arse Hole Workers
"Defies - Common Fucking Sense"
HAHAHA - I love you so much David x
never read the description before. brilliant Dave, keep it up.
Always worth checking for additional information and errata!
I used to watch your videos for fun but now I’m re training to become an electrician this crappy work hits differently when I watch it. Spooks me out how quick you find these faults and fly round that tester. Good work men.
Its sparks like that tw@ that gives us DIY tw@ts a bad name! 😂
Great vids, look forward to any follow ups on this job.
I have been in similar sinarios where you are asked to correct known faults then you highlight others issues and then made to feel like you are either trying to generate work for yourself or pick holes in other people's poor workmanship, never easy!! Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Absolutely agree with you, you bailed them out not once but twice, no chance I would be anywhere near back there personally doesn't sound worth the hassle but you are 100% you don't energise unless you are tested and sure everything is safe.
I hear Jordan has a big white blank transit van ??
A tour de force ! Well done all, particularly to the builders for providing us with so much material....enough for an entire conference
The removal of the gland allowing a finger to touch the busbar is unforgivable. Says it all that you had to fix it as required by being a qualified competent person. Excellent video as usual.
Well said and good on you, he called you when the chips were down, rather than his other 'electrician'...... jokers
Great video as usual, Dave. Just shows how much we need some sort of regulation in the electrics game. Amazing that some guy down the pub can buy a CU from B & Q and some wire and he's away!
Its the same in all trades, however because of previous training regimes where it was often just site based you have many cracking electricians who never went to college or like me did electrics as a second trade as companies wanted multitrade employees i am a joiner first and foremost and do have all my paperwork for that.
Mr. Savery, sorry for your troubles over this issue. You were clearly right in all your observations. The builder is a pillock that should be tarred, feathered and put out to sea.
Work in progress is the cables run adjacent to a consumer unit. Once you’ve opened the consumer unit and attached the conductors they are installed. The only exception to that would be the consumer unit tails are not connected, at which point the whole unit is a work in progress.
Once someone can flip a switch to make a circuit live, then it is installed; no amount hand waving, arguing to the contrary, or electrical tape over breaker switches (not in this case, but I’ve seen it done) should convince anyone it isn’t installed yet.
Even a temporary building site installation has to meet the regulations, and that is that could be claimed to be if it wasn’t the final installation.
Well put Bryn.
Professionals have a duty to care ('the duty of care' in legal terms) to their clients, but also to their 'profession'. If your client was savvy enough in this case he might realise that you had evidence enough for him to claim for the cost of the faulty work, as well as the cost of you rectifying it. As a lawyer who resolved an issue with a new window in my house put it 'Who is the professional? And what work did they perform?' - simples. Very informing vlog. PS Pink cocktail suits you...
Great clear video doing the megger tests. Also thanks for putting link to June video you refer to. I will watch that now. Also discussion about wiring standards requirements great. Metioning relevant wiring standards requirements great for apprentices.
TH-cams master electrician showing how it’s done best spark content…
Your customer instead of calling you with his builder ….. needs to sit back and think what if one of his kids put his finger in the 20mm hole in DB left by the builder
David savery the 4th emergency service
Good job lads keep up the good honest content
Last week we saw Nige's mythical spirit level, and this week, at 19:36, we see Dave doing some grunt work for once😜.
And you're 100% in the right. The other guy left it unsafe and not locked off, and if someone got electrocuted from that, the court isn't going to accept "AWW CAM'ON GUV'NAH! I AIN'T FINISHED T'WORK YET, INNIT!" as an excuse.
Somewhat spookily, that is exactly what this chap sounded like on the phone.
@@dsesuk it's temporary........so you can only die temporarily then
Well done Dave you have potentially saved someone’s life, these cowboys need to be held accountable. I am not a electrician but even I know that was left I such a dangerous state regardless of the works not being finished, the hole in the CU case inches from the live bus bar 😲
Fair play going back for free and doing an inspection to make sure it’s all safe, it shows you dedication to your customers and to the profession 👍👍👍👍
Have good new year Sir 😉
Top quality video as always, I never get why the owner clearly trusts you to get the job done right after the washing machine issue but still let this current person do the electrical work in lieu of yourself and Nige.
They are probably paying double anyways as they'll need you back each time to fix whatever has been done poorly.
You are right to challenge these cowboys Dave. You are keeping the standards of your trade where they should be.
The last bit killed me 😂
Your right about the back boxes I'm sure most conscientious electrician's use the deeper 35 mm boxes 25 mm are to shallow for USB sockets and its not much trouble to put in the deeper boxes at the first fixing stage.
If the walls are deep enough on new builds
Great video as usual Dave. Regarding 32:31, I should also say a more generalised thanks as a layman in the property sector because content like yours has allowed me to identify some questionable/dangerous work and some downright laughable EICRs. The last one being an instance where a letting agents electrician had provided a satisfactory EICR for a rented property which contained zero test results and an incorrect list and description of the circuits... the oven kept tripping the RCD and this was reported to the letting agents... the same electrician came back and his solution to solve the nuisance tripping was to simply remove the RCD altogether.
Crikey Peter, that guy is a liability, not an electrician! That's like taking your cat to a mechanic because the brakes squeal and him replacing the pads with bars of soap!
@@dsesuk Yeah, I told the letting agents what I think of the cowboy and that they should be reviewing any other certs or remedials he's done for them. Also reported him to Trading Standards which was three weeks ago now but they haven't got in touch yet. Scary to think how many boards the twat has touched if the letting agents were phoning him on the regular.
Another great video, truth known if it was a builder installing the electrics they probably wouldn’t have a clue how to fault find the issue, or even know how to use an MFT, it makes me sick what we electricians have to go through to get qualified, insured and accredited to do a simple job like that, yet a builder throws it together without compliance or any thought of it being a safe installation. Quite clearly “not” a professional electrician has installed that by twisting the CPCs together they obviously had no intention of testing, and as David said, should not have been energised without a dead test and verification. I really hope you do go back David Savery and check the finished install, and certification, I will be amazed if you find anything near satisfactory, look forward to a follow up video, SRP Electrical.
Even old building work can get you. The RCBO on one of the ring mains in my mother's house started tripping intermittently and (fortunately for fault determination) after a few days it went solid. Did all the normal things of unplugging everything, but no go. Disconnecting the ring, there was a low impedance fault from line to earth. After disconnecting sections of the ring, I pinned it down to a socket in the living room. The builders who had put in the conservatory had extended the ring from the back of the socket and taken a third cable for the conservatory light. All three 2.5mm twin & earths where shoved through the same 20mm knock-out hole in the back box without a grommet (not that there would have been room) and the metal edge had gradually cut it's way through the insulation.
However, this work was over 25 years ago. If you asked "what's changed", then I doubt that would have included building work done a quarter of a century before.
nb. this just confirms to me yet again that RCDs are the work of the devil, and RCBOs win every time. What's another £150 or so for something that is going to be in place for several decades.
Unless the rcbo's are dp then there isn't a massive benefit in the case of a neutral/earth fault
Absolutely brilliant! “I did a drive by” 👍
By golly gosh you chaps are feckin awesome at fault finding…..👍🇮🇲❤️
Sir david
Good diagnosis , The testing instrumentation are the eyes of the spark & simplify the fault
Top notch once again Dave and Nigel.
Definitely a builder's job, no clue what they're doing. "The lights work, what's the problem?"
You and Nigel are ‘A STAR’ quality and integrity. You always find incompetent people who do this sort of work hide behind a torrent of bullshit as it is all their Ill found ego brain network can process. God bless you both.
People always say "what if a kid sticks their finger in that huge hole!", but it's in a closet: stronger chance of a mop handle, umbrella, hanger, etc., getting jammed in and becoming live... which is bad news for anyone.
I’m glad that your fancy computer room doesn’t have ‘black’ lighting. Imagine what would show up on the walls!
Fucking *love* this sort of video where you go in studs-out on some numpty. Really wish you were in my area… I’d know my money was well spent hiring you and Nigel.
Your knowledge is wasted doing Domestic Dave, When I had my own business I found that it was a race to the bottom. I went out of my way to be as conscientious as possible. Customer doesn’t give a shit about IR & EFLI measurements. All they care about is if their dishwasher works. I wrapped up the business and went into Further learning and now an IE tech. Absolutely love it and you don’t deal with this nonsense. Love your videos.
I am impressed. Really great job and great explanation of how to make it right.
‘Civilians’ - tee hee. I had a pair of middle aged ladies in front of me wanting advice on gate latches. I could well have used the Argos metaphor too at the time. … also we probably need a visit back to see what ‘containment’ round a consumer unit entails. Needs a new wide metal CU and doing right if they’re going to add in circuits as the house grows.
32:33 classic Dave, absolutely brilliant
You were spot on Dave in every respect. You Fu**ing tell em mate.
Hi Dave. Totally agree. Don’t power up till all dead testing has been done and never leave the job worse than you find it.
It will be interesting what you find if your asked to go back. Ps brilliant channel
Regards. Steve.
Top stuff as always David, loving the thumbnail art work!
Definitely some Dunning-Kruger effect going on with that job, would love to see the cert & the job after he is done.
Nice touch with the on screen graphics with the regs.
Great to see some real world jobs & the issues that come with them, no BS just telling it like it is!
RIP "Real Boi" Huel bottle, you will be missed.
Dunning-Kruger very much going on in a lot of jobs we come across it seems! Don't worry about the Real Boi though, I have retrieved it and it contains a chocolate and vanilla Huel mix at this very moment!
Actually Dave I agree with you I am registered blind I have asked my gas supplier to fit an isolator so that I don’t have to put my unit off when I’m take meter readings I understand about electrics and so on because I am an amateur radio person who has to take licenses to facilitate my hobby and we have to have a basic and and advanced knowledge of how electricity works and how EMF affects the people outside of my property and so on when I first moved into this property the main fuse was hanging off the board was not even on the fire board connected correctly I could’ve had an electric shock however the main supplier actually refitted it even know it was due to the builders they weren’t prepared to leave it in that state for me to use I wish I could get an isolator fitted because I need to take meter readings still because the so-called smart meter readings are not being read often enough and I always seem to be overcharged I do love your videos thank you say it how it is and that’s how it should be regards David
Well done David (and Nigel). Don't take any crap from anyone!
I say this David not just because I’m a fan boy of yours and this channel but also because it’s right. You are totally in the right, you’ve been called to an issue with an RCD tripping where work has been carried out by others, I did think at first why haven’t they go the ordinal installed back in…then when you mentioned builders it’s all made sense and was shown in the video.
Interpretations of regs, yes there are certain aspects that can be subjective we I’m sure across various regs will agree to that to some degree BUT not the ones where you are mentioning, lack of dead testing, Gaping holes left in the DB & lighting circuits non RCD protected, let alone the basic insulation and live cables hanging out the ceiling.
That’s a cunts trick from the owner doing that, at least have the balls to say what you’re doing. You’ve helped them out here. I would be furious too. A great video and again a great education to clients to ensure they have properly vetted, qualified, competent and insured Electricians carry out work on their homes.
You are right to stick the boot in & I agree with what you said.
Living in ireland now with over 20 years experience in the electrical engineering trade in the UK. But carnt change a light bulb with out a certificate but can go the a DIY store and buy anything from fuse board to mcb to main 63amp fuses
That is very GOOD of you to offer to go back for free . You should give notice to the NUMPTY you will name and shame them ! rgds Don
b̶u̶i̶l̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ "competent persons" talking lip to sparks when they leave a live circuit hanging out the ceiling like that.
David is going back because it pissed him off and also he has to make sure the fuckwit isn't going to kill the client who just paid for the EICR.
I agree that it seems the new circuits weren't tested properly or sockets installed with any care. I think you got a little over excited about three sockets being wired in a ring and put on a 16 amp breaker though. It doesn't hurt to future proof an installation. Pretty crap not putting the new lighting cabling on an rcbo and leaving live cabling hanging out of the ceiling. A wago box isn't that expensive!
Another fine video, thanks for sharing! Regards from Chema
Is there any possibility of finding out who the other ‘electrician’ is, and the checking out if he is registered?
The installer of the new circuits is clearly not competent.
Probably a builder “who does a bit of electrical work’ or someone fresh out of a short course.
The drink was well deserved!
sounds like the UK needs elec laws like australia, if joe average/builder/self_proclaimed_expert_from_youtube_viewing does anything its massive fines, unlicensed folk cant even replace a plug end or power point here
Great fault finding explained. Many thanks Phil
'Its all open to interpretation' = My shit works been caught out and I don't have a fucking clue.
Bosch GO 2 is the best 3.6V hand tool conceived, it's my GO 2. Writes itself 😂
Quite honestly haven't got a clue what you've been talking about, but I know you want to do it right. I love the alcove with the monitors, even the old Amstrad. Man cave ++
Still use the ol' PCW for my word processing!
Hi David and nigel
Another great video thanks
I hope the guy who did work watchs this
We come across this sort of dross all to often with electrics is easy wire here wire there well it ain't it was lucky there was a rcd
They have no concept of testing or regs
Think I will open up a beer now
Super idea - get chugging Keith!
Properly good video this, keep up the good work Dave and Nige 👍🏻
I come across this more since part P was introduced. We are an easy target.
Amazing he couldn't get the "electrician" back to find the fault and called you in instead.
I went to a rental once and it was an absolute pile of crap. I had to turn nearly all of it off. I said to the tenants that there was no other option and i issued the danger notice. I told them to make sure the landlord was sending a registered sparks to sort the place out.
Next day the landlord appeared with the guy who rewired it, could barely speak english. The tenants denied him access to fix the circuits, to which the landlord said "well okay then, what if he only fixes the water leaks and we call the Electrician (Me) back?"
unreal
He did think it was the washing machine
Nice one Dave,100% agree with everything you say,it’s all about professionalism and a duty of care to the customer far to many people out there doing shoddy work on domestic properties,as for the pink your drinking hmmm carry on if it’s the weekend 😂
RCD trips every time the toilet is flushed, I've not had that one before 😂
Just here old fruit: th-cam.com/video/EL6RVAMUHmg/w-d-xo.html - a new one on me too!
I'd pay top dollar to watch you confront and correct cowboys for their shitey work. The end was hilarious, if not scary.
you are 100 percent correct keep up the good work
Your bang on Davo... The problem all started when they decided other trades could do a few weeks course and join a CPS and call themselves electricians. They have now increased the required qualifications to join a CPS very recently however thats like closing the door after the horse has bolted. Clearly this donut does not have an MFT or does not know how to use it, if this guy has passed an CPS assessment it does beg the question how..
You could argue the lighting is an extension of an existing circuit as its going into the same circuit breaker, bit more of a grey area about alterations requiring an RCD but considering its adding extra points I would say yes it needs putting on an RCD, especially as retrofitting an RCBO would be very easy. Nothing wrong with a ring on a 16A circuit breaker, can be useful if you ever want to extend it adding more sockets and change it to a 32A, did this recently to a garage workshop that was needing more load, builder had wired SWA (SWA not earthed but sorted that) via a 32A breaker to a garage consumer unit with RCD main switch, ring on a 16A, after doing the calculations and all required checks, changed the supply to a 40A breaker an after testing it was a proper ring with no spurs off spurs without FCU changed the 16A to a 32A. But I get what you are getting at clearly probably just puts all sockets on a ring. The holes in the board, cpc not connected, single insulated cables and clearly not testing circuit properly before livening is appalling...
It can be difficult as a customer as even when you catch these cowboys out they get all defensive and aggressive and the homeowner wants them to finish the job and they know this which is why they get so defensive, especially when they are doing things they are probably not confident doing... But until the powers that be decided actually you know what electricity is a bit dangerous, best to only have people that are electricians working on it and having those electricians more stringently tested. I mean come assessment time your gunna show the assessor your best job not your ropiest, CPS have the building certs, they should randomly contact customers and ask to inspect it without telling the electrician, try to catch out some of these cowboys.
Its simple really Builders play with their bricks, Plumbers play with their pipes, Carpenters play with their pencils and Electricians play with their beards
I always seem to end up behind the bloke at Screwfix who is on a day out shopping, getting the poor counter guy to bring out 1 set of things at a time, before eventually deciding he wanted the first set of fixings which were presented to him.
Good to see you uploading regularly again.
Oh, there probably won't be another one for months now! Out of interest Frank, how did you spot this one had gone live? I ask because I turned off notifications when I made it public as an experiment to see what would happen. Did YT tell you this was published?
@@dsesuk TH-cam sent me a notification
@@shaynemacdonald3051 Stupid busted platform.
@@dsesuk I didnt get a notification, saw it on my YT home page though.
@@dsesuk I got a notification of it going live, so I downed tools, armed myself with a cuppa and relaxed. First class content, as always 👍🏼
As a civilian, it was stumbling across your videos during lockdown that allowed me to spot the missing blanks in my mother's CU after the kitchen fitters made some alterations. Do you have a big box of them salvaged from previous jobs? I had a heck of a time on eBay finding blanks for a 1992 Wylex board.
Great video - well said.
The person who carried out the original install was clearly ignorant or just didn’t care. Membership of a CPS should remove the ignorance excuse but is only relevant on the assessment day. It’s the attitude problem that is most dangerous and hardest to remedy. Great video David, and Nige is such a good stooge,
Another very good video .
I suspect the homeowner knew what they were paying for. Why would they call you out on a monday if they had their "electrician" on site on Thursday or friday. I always take solace in the fact that when they needed a real electrician they knew who to call. Keep it coming.
This is such a frustrating issue we have in our industry and the lack of understanding of the general public makes it very difficult to get our points across. If it was gas installation would the home owner let the builder do it?! No chance, so why are electrics any different. Makes me so mad!
You saw the standard of the gas install right under the fusebox
Liking the references to 7671 that pop up 👍
Not necessarily exhaustive, just some I found relevant with a quick thumb-through!
Must have been the neutral that was shorting to earth, and not the damaged line conductor. Typically a L-E fault trips immediately on energising, taking the mcb out as well as the rcd. I often come across faults of this nature that must have been present for years, not quite shorting out. Then one day, they finally make contact and the tripping begins!
It depends on the resistivity of the fault. If the line copper was in direct contact with the earthed bar on the back of the socket, it would have gone with a bang as soon as energised. If there was still a small air gap or a bit of insulation preventing direct contact, then a leak to earth wouldn't necessarily happen straight away. All that said, there was a nick in the neutral too as mentioned but not captured on camera, so either or both of these installation errors could have caused trouble.
@@dsesuk the tripping was coinciding with heavy loads on adjacent circuits, protected by the same RCD. Coincidence perhaps, but most likely indicates neutral current from those loads that should have been passing back through the RCD, sneaking up the neutral of the faulty circuit and straying to earth at the fault. This fault would have to be on the neutral side of the faulty circuit, as there's no way it could make its way to the live side of the energised circuit. Fault finding is always interesting, the best part of the job IMO. Cheers
Fantastic video, I'm in the same situation as this guy at the moment... Garden room just been put in, builder supplies electrical work, I had to insist that I was given a EIC. A 'proper' spark shows up and says that the Zs is 18 Ohms, where the maximum permissable is 1.37... Now the builder is saying it's an issue with the existing consumer unit? No testing done before it was energised... The spark is caught up in middle of the argument. The original spark/builder has left the company too. Nightmare!
The argument ought to be straightforward - if the test reading is bad now, it's on whoever performed the modifications to prove it was good before work started, after all, regulation 132.16 states no alterations shall be made "unless it has been ascertained that the rating and condition of any existing equipment... will be adequate for the altered circumstances". If the builder hasn't proof that they checked it over before monkeying with it, then they accept the responsibility for how it is now. The "it must have already been like that" argument doesn't wash.
@@dsesuk As usual, perfect answer 😉. I guess Reg 132.16 is another good reason to do an EICR before doing a board change etc. I'm hoping the high reading is to do with the 3x RCDs in series aka 'RCD uplift' - new B32 in the office leading into existing B40 in another building connected to a B40 RCBO in the main consumer unit in the house. I wonder if the local building control people care...
@@charlieecosta5592 can't imagine getting 18 ohms off RCD uplift, typical values are sub 0.5 ohms. The only way the fault is not on your garden room wiring is if you've got the same high 18 ohms Zs reading at the board. Also, the max permissible Zs value for a 32A breaker on an EICR is usually recorded as 80% of the 1.37 value shown in BS7671 (1.1 ohms according to table B6 of the OSG)
@@havoctrousers All valid points, I appreciate the reply! Small update, there was a loose connection on the armoured supplying the building which has bought it down to 0.6 Ohms! Got into a quibble with the builder about testing and certification, he eventually backed down and it should be getting done tomorrow. I won't hold my breath...
As you had worked for the homeowner previously, why he didn’t ask you to wire his extension, that’s what I would have done. If money was the issue perhaps he shouldn’t have had the extension built.
It was a shabby trick to put a private conversation on speaker, but at least you have a video record of what you found and the work you did to correct it.
I’m not an electrician but I know there shouldn’t be holes in the board.
You know where you stand with DS... not known for holding back. Nice one 👍👍
The man that goes against Sir David Savery is a silly man.
Well said David!
Have you tried any of the new MK sockets with the "Wago" style connectors (rather than screw downs). If so - what do you think of them ? I'm not a fan of having sockets that have the USB's built into them. In my opinion the USB part will invariably fail with the need then to replace the socket. What's you view on the inbuilt USB's. It's always the quality of what you can't see that is the issue with building / DIY work. If anyone knows their "onions" regarding Electrical regs - it DSES with no mistake. Time to swing Homies - Bundy / CJR and the rest of the brigade into action.
board right next to the gas main. makes me teeth itch
The video description is an epic read 😆😆👆
I got to the impreso meter. And couldn’t reading any more 🤣
100% agree with you.
You were right to be angry.. i would of give him hell about it lol
Great comment ---"not necessarily dodgy they just dont know how bad they are" (26' 48'')
Fantastic Video as normal Mr Savery. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I just hope the client had no expensive electronics plugged in when you zapped the good old 500v down that house ring 😂😂😂
I think DS had L/N connected so no high voltage through the appliance, only checking for leakage to earth.
Down line and neutral at the same time old chap, so no potential difference across any plugtops to bother anything electronic. Only an SPD extension lead was bothered by the voltage.
@@dsesuk Yes sorry old chap i missed you put the old kewtech jump between line and neutral. 👌🏻 Anyway serves him bloody right if you didn’t!!! As for the “open to interpretation” comment by bodge the builder, that is the whole bloody problem with our industry. To many W⚓️s use that as a get out to cover the fact their work is actually a pile of shyte which they can’t accept they are in the wrong over. Until the industry acts on this crap and sorts it out and closes this “open to interpretation” loophole this shyte will always prevail. 😡
@@dsesuk yes, interesting to see the SPD break down at the higher voltage.