Honestly the entire Zabi family were the Federation's biggest asset. Nothing completely screws over a faction better than a family of power-hungry, dictators.
This is kind of flawed in a similar way to what ifs about the nazis during ww2. If they were more reasonable and didn’t do [insert whatever here] then they might have won, but it’s equally likely in that if they were that reasonable they would have never even started the conflict
Which is - I think - the issue with this particular speculative timeline. The idea that M'Quve would've been replaced with a superior commander like Ramba Ral runs into the issue of Zabi family internal politics. You might've ended up with someone better than M'Quve, but their merits as a commander would be secondary to whether or not Kycilia Zabi was satisfied with their unwavering personal loyalty... and I don't believe that's Ral.
@@t26e44 Oh the War would likely have started sooner or later. The Federation weren't going to let Zeon become independant (and had already put the squeeze on several 'Independant' colonies that ultimately capitulated), it became a matter then of WHEN the fight was going to happen. If Zeon didn't deliver the opening salvo they would likely have been put essentially in checkmate before they could even mobilize (shitton of ships set to basically turn the side into a Shoal Zone means any action ends the matter entirely with Mega Particle Gunfire) Now had Girhen not been LITERAL SPACE HITLER it likely wouldn't have gone near as bad.
Without the Zabi's Char would never have double crossed Zeon, therefore he would have fought full serious mode when Garma was around wich could have meant the defeat of the Withe Base Plus they wouldn't have killed themselves wich is definitely some less chaos wich helps in a battlefield
@@johnsouto5221 i don't think you understand the watchers role, they are not god, they are as the title obviously emphasizes "watchers" they observe and from time to time they report anomalies and deviations to the other entities with real power, they are watchers not interveners
"If only M'Quve had access to Skillshare" Skillshare, Udemy and Duolingo combined could not fix M'Quve's weapons grade incompetence Might have been worth a shot though
I could see Char eventually being able to entice Ramba Ral to his cause as well as searching out a post-war Amuro to join him in his quest to topple the Zabis.
To be absolutely fair, had his United Maintenence Plan gotten off the ground before the war even BEGAN, Zeon would be with a much stronger footing starting out.
M'quve reminds me of the real life ww2 german air commander and economy leader Hermann Goring - who was so incompetent the allies actually issued orders not to kill him of the opportunity ever presented itself
truth be told from what i see, M'quve is more suited to be a political diplomat taking charge more on foreign policy then a full position in the military, he is in his own right, suave, calculating, cultured, and cunning enough for that role as Zeon representative on Earth politics.
@@boxtank5288 He was a skilled combatant, logistically competent and a smooth talker and intelligent, but way too politically greedy and self centered for serving the overall good of the Zeon military.
@@LeoMidori Indeed, if he'd been placed in a position where ANY of those good traits were demanded of him instead? People wouldn't be going so damn hard on him.
I laughed how Commander Kelly from _Code Fairy_ said M'Quve was completely ill-equip to manage a planet wide invasion. The only reason Zeon lasted so long was M'Quve had traitor General Elden telling him Revel's plans. Ramba Ral would definitely have captured White Base since "Ramba Ral's Attack" which is the episode where Ral was denied his Doms by M'Quve had Amuro locked in the brig for deserting, Ryu away tracking down AWOL soldiers, and Sayla was piloting the Gundam. She does not have the skills to match the Blue Giant. At the very least, her only option was running away to get the Gundam to Jaburo. Another failure on M'Quve's part was how he conducted Odessa. He relied entirely on Eldren to ignore him and sent the remaining Tri-Stars to the rear to take down Whitebase. The Black Tri-Stars were considered as equal as an entire division so there is no way Kellarny would send them to the rear to take down one battleship not participating in the main battle. While I think Zeon would have eventually been driven from Earth due to Zabi in-fighting, Char's backstabbing, or by war of attrition. Zeon's real chance of success was to destroy the EFSF before they could get a foothold in Zeon space. That is a different matter.
Sayla didn't have the skills to match the Blue Giant. If only she had taken the "MS Ground Combat Operations Basics" and "MS Ground Basic Manuvering Techniques" courses on Skillshare! Skillshare is th
Kellarny was to busy trying to get both get back into space, and tried to get access info on the Aplsess mobile armor for his own gains. And we know what happened to him, when he crossed the mobile armor's creator. Ka_Boom!
I think many people wrongly believe Ramba Ral getting the Doms means the ends of the Gundam. In Gihren Greed, if the Doms are received, Rambal manage to capture the White Base, the Guntank and Guncannon with them, but Amuro and the Gundam escapes, and if you are playing Feds side, you can have Amuro return with the Pixy and destroy Ramba
@@johnsouto5221 A scenario that would NOT happen here due to Yuri being stuck on command duty over the whole of Odessa. Also Odessa not ending in defeat for Zeon.
A fun little thing to consider for anyone who isn't aware that the united maintenance plan is a retcon (originally the alt versions of the classic grunt MS in 0080 and 0083 were just different takes on the MS by different mechanical designers; those versions being variations/improvements was retconned in for ease of representation): A lot of that plan's success is attributed to M'Quve. It notes that he's apparently a logistics wizard, and that's a big part of what made the whole process work. My theory has always been that whoever conceived this retcon noticed that M'Quve ostensibly brings NOTHING to the table otherwise and, given his consistently god awful decision making, seems like an odd choice to be put in charge of anything (like, even beyond the strain of usual copouts like nepotism/favoritism/whatever). They thought it was a good opportunity to explain why ANYONE would let this useless POS have oversight of anything more important than a potted plant of some kind. I'm entirely convinced of this. It makes perfect sense.
Yes, because nearly every Gundam anime needs at least one masked rival or enemy. As the main influence of Char's first creation was in fact Darth Vader. Which only makes sense in a series made in 1979.
More or less the set up to -Z. Though M'Quve lives in that one. Ral capturing whitebase is a thing in Gihren's Greed if you give him Doms. Though reverse engineering white base is a waste because Zanzibars are cheaper and hold the same amount of Mobile Suits. Usually Amuro manages to escape. So I guess the Extra Gouf, Zaku and pilots were useful in this timeline. White did have a second gundam, the G-3, but they left it behind on Luna 2 where it got magnetic coating. But its gundam, so of course they had the spare parts to make another Gundam. They had enough to make 16, but Cargo forgot to tell Bright so they struggled. Along with the block of Luna Titanium to make Amuro his shield shapped boomerangs. Those were boomerangs right? Right?... At Jaburo, they were already producing Gms by the thousand. The first thirty that were complete were even sent as the honour guard for Revil during Odessa. The belief in Mobile Suits was already cemented. They shredded most of the Federations military in days. Though I like the bit about the air force. Outside of the show, they were deadly. Tenneth A Jung got like 20 Zaku kills in a saber fish. Which is badass. And everyone's favorite. The remanants of the Federation Fleeing to the Asteroid belt and later Jupiter. Where the Fleet sheltered them, as a way to acquire Federation and Zeon Military equipment and sepcification for their own army. After a few years in hiding, they would emerge to return to the Earth sphere and free it from Spacenoid oppression. Only to find the Earth Sphere gripped in a civil war between the Zabis domination and a forgotten pro-Zeon family faction called the AZUG. Backed by aces such as Quattro Bajeena and Amuro Ray piloting stolen Gundams from the Zabi Family.
Amuro and Definitely-not-char fighting on the same side is always something I like to see. Yes I know they worked together during zeta but only for a short time
If M'Quve died earlier, the chances of Zeon winning would rise exponentially. If he had defected, Amuro would be piloting a ball and Bright would've been a captain of a transport ship somewhere instead of the Whitebase.
This is actually allmost exactly what happens if you give Ramba Ral his Doms in the ghireens greed games. He captures the white base, saving ALOT of your Zeon aces from being KIAed by the white base team. So the assesment here that Mquve was pivotal in Zeon loosing the OYW is really on point. And everything cause of "Le´bling" XD
So instead of the AEUG, we get the AZUG. I wonder if Zeon would put together their own TITANS-esque group or not Another thing is neither side ever sees the potential of extremely powerful Newtypes like Amuro and Char in this timeline since Amuro is either dead or chilling in a prison cell for a significant chunk of the war and Char probably deserted sometime shortly after Odessa. A lot of the Newtype specialized weaponry would never come into existence...I'm mildy curious on how Blue Destiny goes in this new timeline (Maron is probably trapped forever in the EXAM system). Conversely, Zeon's MS development is going to go _INSANE_ over the gundams. Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if many mobile suits were completely overhauled once the Gundam's reactor was reverse-engineered to be more efficient, maybe even a few beam compatible early variants.
I doubt even if the EXAM system got that far in development that she would have been trapped forever; remember that The Federation lost the war Zeon would have no doubt found out about it, looked into it, freed her, and bring the Federation up on war crimes charges in a heartbeat.
@@garrettlittle1279 Zeon already knew where Marion was. She was at the Flanagan Institute, with all the other Zeon Newtypes. Dr. Chlust Moses was a Zeon scientist.
I'm not entirely sure thay Zeon would benefit that much from the Gundam if they won the war. It was already obsolete by the time the war ended, with both sides already mass producing machines equal or better than the Gundam, the GM Sniper II, and the Gelgoog.
@@garrettlittle1279 I don't think they would try to charge the Federation for the EXAM system, since Chlust Moses was originally a Zeon scientist. If they did, that would likely backfire due to the fact that both sides were using his work.
Kakarot: Amuro and the Gundam weren't among the biggest factors for the Federation. Also Kakarot: Without Amuro and the Gundam the Federation gets destroyed.
Amuro and the Gundam were not the greatest direct military asset to the Feds. It was White Base's mission to submit all their combat data to Jaburo that was, because that's what kicks off the space-ready GM for Star One. The whole "Zeon gets the Core Fighter" thing is about equally important as "The Feds get the Operation V data".
@@afelias Not just the core fighter and the data and Amuro, but Amuro NOT finding the spy. (Though WOULD Yuri be diplomatic enough to suborn a full blown general from the Federation side? M'Quve was incompetent as a commander, but he was a smooth talker and weaver of promises.
Amuro's greatest contribution to the Feddies is the fact he's a certified ace killer. Well, that and the fact he revealed the general to be a traitor. The ace killing is a major factor because there are plenty of aces historically that turned into instructors for new pilots. Most of Zeon's aces by the end of the war were either too busy fighting to stop and train new recruits or in many cases had been killed by Amuro personally like Ral and the Tri-Stars. White Base and the V Project weapons being captured not only gives Zeon better tech right off the bat (imagine if they had reverse engineered the gundam's reactor and got the Gelgoog running months earlier than canon) but it also means resources devoted to taking White Base wouldn't have been diverted like they were in canon. There's also the fact that if Ramba had captured the Gundam, not only does that prevent his death, it prevents the death of Dozle Zabi and the destruction of Big Zam, both major morale boosters. Anvil Gato wouldn't leave his post assuming the gundam had already been shot down as he did in canon (The legend of the B-Gundam never comes to pass). Amuro not killing certain people when he did causes a massive ripple effect down the line.
Honestly, I would be down for this what-if to continue, and more alternate realities to be explored. One that I think would be cool is what if Kira/Zaft had obtained the Astray rather than the G-Weapons
The only downside to this timeline is that we can’t have the only good thing he contributed and that was the Gyan. Honestly I just think fencing is cool and it becomes a thousand times cooler when a mech does it. My very first gunpla was the Gundam Rose and it has influenced my love for sword weapons. Heck, my dream custom for the RX-79 [G] Gundam Ground Type would carry six beam sabers. As much as I wanted to smack him with a vase, I thank him for designing the Gyan.
There's a reason Zeon decided not to produce the Gyan though; its only ranged weapon was ineffective, its shield didn't work very well as a shield, and its emphasis on fencing requires a lot more skill in melee combat that simply whacking a GM with a heathawk. Canceling the Gyan and using parts meant for it to merge with parts from the Gelgoog to make the Galbaldy Alpha was a better use, as the Galbaldy was a slightly higher performance Gelgoog and could be produced by Zimmad while Zeonic made the Gelgoog, since neither company produced parts for the other's MS designs, at least not until the United Maintenance Plan. Which M'Quve came up with.
@@Swindle1984 I'm well aware, but the designs of it and the machines in the official timeline where it was picked over the Gelgoog just have a certain charm to them that I personally prefer. Besides I was raised to give compliments where compliments are due and "The Gyan looks cool" is the only thing that I can give.
It surprised me how M'Quve wasn't even the one who denied Ramba Ral the Doms but his assistant who went behind his back. Plus there was a genuinely creepy scene where Kycelia interviews M'Quve for the job and the panel layout really makes it look like she's molesting him. He looks so uncomfortable during this that I actually felt bad for him.
I really hope this continues, because I thought at first this would be a repeat of the "What if Zeon won?" Ending from the Gihren's Greed games, but it ended up being far more interesting than a normal April Fool's Video!
Any timeline that keeps Ramba Ral and Crowley Hamon alive is a better timeline. As a diehard fan of the Zeon grunt suits and their pilots, it breaks my heart to see so many of them pass away due to plot armor and whatnot.
So basicly the compete reversal on the oyw with federation remnants in place of zeon remnents and vice versa makes u wonder if the feds loss were so great that titans or rather the whole of zeta be rewritten
that reminds me... the whole plot of Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam was exactly Zeon winning the One Year War and causing history to repeat during the time when we should get Gryps Conflict instead.
In an alternate universe where M’Cunte died early the Gyan would have a BIG happy family of itself along with variants and would be as commonplace as the Gelgoog.
Turning battle of Odessa from quick Federation victory into protracted meat grinder would be even worse for Zeon which was suffering from manpower shortages from beginning of the war.
@@Memelord1117 Highly doubtful, whoever wanted on uncle Gihren wild (genocidal) ride already joined up. Even if somehow that was the case the amount of now volunteers would never cover for the catastrophic losses of this alt Odessa, especially that all those new volunteers would be green as all hell.
What an absolutely gorgeous piece of alternate history! If only a moderately decent officer would have been put in command of the Zeon forces on Earth.... but all they got was that abysmal M'quve!
Honestly since you looked at the 8th MS team you know that particular guy will do anything to hold on to a base and if you can't hold on to a base you'll completely destroy it but the thing is with odessa's current Commander he was trying to hide stuff from people but this particular person if he died and this other person took over seriously you'll see that he's not hiding anything he'll give what's necessary and I don't think I'd go as the way they planned I think the Gundam would still win but honestly I think it would be heavily damaged and increased his skills and took out the gun Cannon or gun tank and did massive damage problem would be how much damage and how they took Odessa won't be as easy because then they won't catch the traitor and I think both sides will take heavy casualties
So, Ramba Rall defeated the White base and shot down an escaping Amuro.... Does this mean the OG cast of Gundam are dead in this timeline? This really is turning out to be more of a game changer early on than the Alex What if, of which it's awesome to hear you are gonna resume on continuing it soon.
Not, really. As mentioned in the video Ramba captured the White Base. So I am sure plenty of its crew are still alive, but in a Zeon Prisoner of War Camp somewhere in the Odessa Region. Or even sent to space.
Ramba Ral would have captured the White Base, knowing Sayla would be on it, I assume. Sayla would have still tried launching once. Only this time Ramba Ral would be in force instead of on a suicide mission, so he would spare the time to at least capture the White Base to ensure Sayla's safety.
@@afelias Actually Ramba did not know Sayla was on the White Base till he actually attacked the ship in his suicide. It was soon afterwards that he killed himself with the whole jumping out of the hole in the White Base and blowing himself up with a grenade.
@@robertdrexel2043 Oh right, Sayla's launch didn't amount to anything in terms of contacting Zeon at all. So I guess it's down to how hard the White Base will fight to its last or not, since now Ramba has no plan to attack it in a suicide mission by boarding.
@@afelias I think more interesting stories emerge from the White Base crew getting taken alive though pethaps not entirely unharmed. Captain Bright would look pretty cool with an eyepatch don't you think?
Have you thought about doing a Best Commanders video? I really loved Commander Kelly from _Code Fairy_ since she was fully aware the detriment of M'Quve favoring units based on their faction along with what a mistake it was sending so many of Zeon's best pilots to deal with White Base. While her strategies weren't on the level of Schmitzer, she knew how to use her squad's individual skills.
Congratulations Kakarot197 you created an interesting What-If scenario that could have occurred if a certain commander of Zeon's Odessa operations never made it to the Earth's surface.
Kakarot197: "Be careful today and don't believe everything you see on face value" Also Kakarot197: "I gotta go work on the next part of 'What if Amura got the Alex'" Seriously though, awesome sort of April Fool's day video! If Amuro survived the crash, could there be a possible team up between him and Quattro once again in this version of the Universal Century under different circumstances? ...Or perhaps something even darker?
m'quve is one of my favorite people in Gundam he is competent he was outnumbered 3-1 at Odessa he did well all things considered he based off of what has been seen he is probably a decent pilot he fought amuro at an advanced stage even char admitted it
Great video, although one detail I'd change is that the secret entrance to Jaburou wasn't found since Char didn't have to chase the White base around everywhere, making the siege on it more of an upfront siege that would still end in Zeon's victory
oh goddamn it please for all that is holy please continue this, you got me hooked on this what if plot line of your in only one video and now I NEED more.
Ramba Ral and the Black Tri-Stars would've been dangerous against the White Base if M'quve was dead or at the very least more competent than he originally was; too bad he kept dragging his butt around all the time.
So...now, instead of having to deal with Amuro in a Gundam, they now have to deal with the former top-ranking ace of Zeon...in a VERY high-performance mobile suit, like the GM Dominance. This...might go VERY badly for the Zeon space force once Char/Quattro got into that suit. He'd make a beeline straight for Degwin and Gihren at A Baoa Qu.
Really? Is M'Quve really that incompetent? I heard that without him the logistics of Zeon would have been still a mess. I really doubt whether Zeon can possibly mass produce anything they get from the federation. With respect to infrastructure and human resources, Zeon is no match to the federation. From the anime we also know the federation uses the white base as a distraction deliberately because they notice the Zeon military is focusing too much on it. Since Revil is in charge I think there must be some reason that Revil is that confident. Maybe the gundam team is not really that important, it's just they are the protaganists of the anime.
I'm pretty sure that death of M'Quve wouldn't change anything. For one, while incompetent, he was just following Kcyllia orders. She wanted resources for the post-war struggle with ghiren instead of supporting current war with Earth Federation, so any M'Quve replacement would also had to follow this line. For the same reason it's impossible that Ramba Ral would replace him, because he was Dozle men.
Not gonna lie, if I wrote the scenario, I'd probably have Amuro (who was just starting to feel sympathies for Zeon soldiers) live and be captured and live. Probably no Amuro fighting for Zeon unless a Char Uprising (a la Gihren's Greed scenario) happened.
Hey Kakarot, I've been thinking about an interesting scenario, one that wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility: What if Operation Stardust had failed at either Torrington or Mount Kilimanjaro? There's the big implication of no Titans, but it also means things like movable frame technology wouldn't be developed until a later point in the UC. Earth wouldn't be dependent on the Colonies for food and Axis Zeon wouldn't invade.
Without the Titans, the AEUG either wouldn't exist or be a much smaller rebellion. Char might have cut his losses and stuck with Axis and been there to help raise Mineva, Haman might not even hate him anymore. Kamille would live a normal life as his parents would still be alive.
This is gonna be interesting. In the main timeline the Titans were already corrupt and very extreme. However, in this timeline we may see an even more unhinged and corrupt Titans. On top of that we'll also get to see how Giren manages the principality post victory, which also has promise (especially if you've seen the endings of the Giren's greed games). Not to mention that in this timeline Haman wouldn't have been driven to extremes as a result of Zeon's loss, along with Char playing with her emotions for personal gain. We truly are in uncharted waters here.
Nah. Zeon is not reverse engeneering a battleship, a mobile suit and a fighter in 5-6 weeks before the war ends. The lore of the one year war is seriously restricted by it not only being one year long, but most of that year we experienced on camera being only the last 3 and a half months of that year. The F-22, still state of the art, was in development in the mid 1990s. (20+ years ago). The F-35 isnt much younger. Military programs are not planned and developed in the span of a month ever.
Love the Zeonic Front music in the background. M'Quve lives in the compilation movies... I dunno which version of the timeline is supposed to be canon anymore. Really, really cool video though.
I personally think that if this were to play through as was, Solomon would’ve been able to take advantage of the momentum on Earth to better focus on their weapon development. By the time the final push on Jaburo began, I believe it would be in tandem with a parallel space attack on Luna II, maybe even with a squad a newly mass produced Big Zams among other things? Even as a Feddy supporter, in this scenario, I don’t see Luna II surviving the war to be able to put up any form of resistance afterwards at all:/
Oh my gawd…..I just started rewatching SD Gundam Force And even in THAT series M’Quve screwed things over for his side As the Gian representative Dark Axis, Solitary Gian, led Zapper Zaku to being the blood thirsty shoot happy guy he is in the main series It’s also hilarious to know Solitary Gian is basically a M’Quve stand in, being a false chivalrous jerk who gets no respect from he’s fellow associates Also SD basically following Kakarot’s line of thought in that Gian tried to cheat to win by stealing Zapper’s guns since he had no proper guns himself, the ultimate flaw of the Gian
TH-cam Auto subs: "And amongst them was a certain Quattro Vagina. But that is a story for the next April Fools Day." I'm running short on breath laughing at this.
I am interested in seeing how Quattro and the Earth Federation remnants will defeat the more powerful Zeon in this timeline. I have hope that Amuro is still alive in this timeline. Thanks dude for keeping on making videos like this.
This is a late comment, but I love your alternate universe takes. Seeing Luna II effectively become this timeline's version of the Delaz Fleet (or Anti Zeon Union Group?) would make for this timeline's Stardust Memories equivalent interesting to theorycraft. Would love to see your take on additional 'what ifs', sort of like how Gihren's Greed let you as Zeon decide to give the Gyan further development love rather than the Gelgoog as in canon.
You'd think that with the capture of the gundam it'd push the gelgoog development far ahead of schedule with federation improvements like the gundams data, Luna titanium alloy and other features.
The weakness of Zeon to air power also shows the ignorance of Mobile Suit designers. Zeon could have made some type of variation with shoulder mounted or arm mounted autocannons, think Rifleman from Battletech or a walking Shilka tank, as an Anti Aircraft unit
Questions I'd like to ask: 1) The Sleeves aka 3rd Neo Zeon were known for the decorative ornaments on their MS that made them look like they were wearing European styled sleeves and collars. What was the point of these ornaments? 2) In the manga Johnny Ridden no Kikan, Chairman Gopp revealed that Anaheim Electronics only bought HALF the assets of the former Zeon MS companies while the E.F.S.F. bought the other half. We already know what Anaheim did with its half, but what happened to the assets that the Earth Federation bought?
A possible answer for the second question: The EFSF would use these acquired assets to repair/design variants of preexisting mobile suits, at a later point being reorganized into SNRI, the developers of the Formula series
@@jetblackangelX Good possibility. Another possibility I thought of is: Whatever the Federation acquired of the former Zeon companies was given to the Titans. This would somewhat explain how they managed to develop MS without Anaheim Electronics, why the vast majority of their MS were mono-eyed, and why the Federation would rely on Anaheim for MS development until they founded the SNRI
A lot of fun but for myself while I like the idea of M'Quve going in the first or second earth descent I don't see that being the case. Instead I see M'Quve's down fall coming by the hands of our resident group of badasses the Midnight Ferrir core. Just before the battle of Odyessy the Ferrir's comander would see what M'Quve was up given the squad was deployed to the front and realizing the terrible strategy riding on General Elron holding his troops back because M'Quve ordered him too, would use the situation to Zeon's benefit by labeling M'Quve a traitor. Stating the captain was a war profiteer, had kept vital assets from the late Ramba Ral, and sent the Black Tri Stars in blind against the White Base and her crew. And the moment M'Quve protested one of the senior officers would shoot the command structure the captain was in. Now the Midnight Core would redeploy with half the troops going to aide the remaining Black Tri Stars with the other half charges the front lines of General Revals units and is able to score a blow in pushing back the Federation main forces while the White Base is stalled in their advance.
Since you brought in Yuri Kellerne, I have a question about a certain form of WMD he used in the show: The Vapor or Vaporization Bomb. Originally, it was just a guise for a nuclear weapon which he simply called by another name to excuse it as not breaking the Treaty. I thought it was bull but then it came up again in Gundam Legacy. So what exactly is the deal with a Vaporization Bomb? It own things that makes the use of it exempt from the Treaty or just a nuke labeled in another name?
I think it was a deliberately mislabled nuke but the closest weapon to that description would be a Fuel-Air thermobaric, which are the next most destructive weapons IRL. And literally use aeresolized/vapor fuel.
You should do a development history of the Shining, Rising, and Burning/God Gundams. It's more in depth then you first think because of spin off manga. Yes, even Super Robots have some development history, and no one has covered the God Gundam in one of those types of videos.
Lore questions for 00: what if Veda had stuck to its original plan to use innovades as gundam meisters for armed interventions The load out being Bring in the Exia, Hiling in the Dynames, Revive in the Kyrios, Regene in Virtue and as support, Hixar in Rasiel What if Setsuna died/was never recruited and Fon Spaak was chosen to pilot Exia
For question of the week could you do a video on how many F97/X- Series units there are? As far as i know there's 14 units assuming there are units X-0 through X-13 and not including stuff like the Phantom Gundam since that's a Jupiter developed MS that's based on the data from the F99 Record Breaker.
Let’s make up our own mobile suits, I’ll go first. My first idea is the torque, it’s similar to the gouf, armed with a beam saber, a beam rifle, and a shield with cannons, the most famous unit is the lisa maroon custom, painted red with an extra beam saber. There are variations of this suit, the marine type, the ground type the high mobility type cannon type.The next fan made unit is the tarasque, this unit has some similarities with the gelgoog, armed with beam sabers, a beam hawk, Vulcan guns in the arm, and a beam bazooka. The variations are the ground type, the marine type, and the heavy artillery type. The most famous unit is the jack dragoon custom, it’s painted blue and has a beam bayonet. The next unit is the nebula Gundam. It’s armed with two beam sabers, a beam rifle, a beam shield, a meteor bazooka, and Vulcan guns on the head. It is piloted by dan wolven, it’s special features are its variable armor system, it’s a cross between the striker packs and g armor. It was developed by the galactic federation in the star century, along with its sister units, the force Gundam, the cobalt Gundam,the haze Gundam, and the aphro Gundam. The tarasque and torque were developed by the Kerberos empire. The next fan made mobile suit is the hawker, a mass produced mobile suit, it looks like a cross between the heavygun (trust me, this unit is MUCH better than those) and the strike dagger, with elements of layzner. It’s armed with beam sabers, proto beam rifles, beam shields and regular shields. The variations of the hawker are the marine type, the commander type, the light armor type, and the artillery type. The most famous unit is the Guliver will custom, painted green with a beam shield given to commander units. Any ideas?
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He truly was one of the Federation's greatest assets.
Rest in Peace
Rest in piss*
I wait for What if Gundam using Warhammer 40K style Classification instead of Prototype & Mass Product Pattern.How it would change in universe
without him the federation would have sued for piece
next video : what if dr tem ray join zeon
Oh, he is Gundam's Doofenshmirtz.
Honestly the entire Zabi family were the Federation's biggest asset. Nothing completely screws over a faction better than a family of power-hungry, dictators.
This is kind of flawed in a similar way to what ifs about the nazis during ww2. If they were more reasonable and didn’t do [insert whatever here] then they might have won, but it’s equally likely in that if they were that reasonable they would have never even started the conflict
@@t26e44 people like that never think they just throw tantrums
Which is - I think - the issue with this particular speculative timeline. The idea that M'Quve would've been replaced with a superior commander like Ramba Ral runs into the issue of Zabi family internal politics. You might've ended up with someone better than M'Quve, but their merits as a commander would be secondary to whether or not Kycilia Zabi was satisfied with their unwavering personal loyalty... and I don't believe that's Ral.
@@t26e44 Oh the War would likely have started sooner or later. The Federation weren't going to let Zeon become independant (and had already put the squeeze on several 'Independant' colonies that ultimately capitulated), it became a matter then of WHEN the fight was going to happen. If Zeon didn't deliver the opening salvo they would likely have been put essentially in checkmate before they could even mobilize (shitton of ships set to basically turn the side into a Shoal Zone means any action ends the matter entirely with Mega Particle Gunfire)
Now had Girhen not been LITERAL SPACE HITLER it likely wouldn't have gone near as bad.
Without the Zabi's Char would never have double crossed Zeon, therefore he would have fought full serious mode when Garma was around wich could have meant the defeat of the Withe Base
Plus they wouldn't have killed themselves wich is definitely some less chaos wich helps in a battlefield
Kakarot197: "I am The Watcher and I have seen many alternate realities from across the Gundam Multiverse."
Hey Watcher!! Stop giving Zeon Plot Armor!!! The edge that they Don’t deserve!!
@@johnsouto5221 i don't think you understand the watchers role, they are not god, they are as the title obviously emphasizes "watchers" they observe and from time to time they report anomalies and deviations to the other entities with real power, they are watchers not interveners
And funnily enough none of those multiverse had people making insufferable Wheedonesque quips. Truly, a paradise.
Is one of those universe were hero yui got the strike freedom?
@@johnsouto5221 They just have a better indoctrination program 🍻
"If only M'Quve had access to Skillshare"
Skillshare, Udemy and Duolingo combined could not fix M'Quve's weapons grade incompetence
Might have been worth a shot though
He was a Frog, you can't fix those people
I could see Char eventually being able to entice Ramba Ral to his cause as well as searching out a post-war Amuro to join him in his quest to topple the Zabis.
Assuming Amuro didn't die, that is
@@paulhorneschillings1212 indeed.
@@paulhorneschillings1212 probably roting in a jail cell as Ramba Ral wouldn't want to kill a kid
@@paulhorneschillings1212 I mean his wife did like Amuro probably would have asked him to spare the child.
@@ElHarmonyV amuro being adopted by Ramba? sign me up!
To be absolutely fair, had his United Maintenence Plan gotten off the ground before the war even BEGAN, Zeon would be with a much stronger footing starting out.
M'quve reminds me of the real life ww2 german air commander and economy leader Hermann Goring - who was so incompetent the allies actually issued orders not to kill him of the opportunity ever presented itself
truth be told from what i see, M'quve is more suited to be a political diplomat taking charge more on foreign policy then a full position in the military, he is in his own right, suave, calculating, cultured, and cunning enough for that role as Zeon representative on Earth politics.
@@silentecho92able Ironically he didn't do too bad in the fighting department.
@@boxtank5288 He was a skilled combatant, logistically competent and a smooth talker and intelligent, but way too politically greedy and self centered for serving the overall good of the Zeon military.
@@LeoMidori Indeed, if he'd been placed in a position where ANY of those good traits were demanded of him instead? People wouldn't be going so damn hard on him.
Ramba Ral piloting the RX-78 colored in blue with an added stun whip at 1 hand would be a nightmare to deal with.
The Gundouf.
THIS IS NO GUNDAM, BOY. NO GUNDAM
I laughed how Commander Kelly from _Code Fairy_ said M'Quve was completely ill-equip to manage a planet wide invasion. The only reason Zeon lasted so long was M'Quve had traitor General Elden telling him Revel's plans.
Ramba Ral would definitely have captured White Base since "Ramba Ral's Attack" which is the episode where Ral was denied his Doms by M'Quve had Amuro locked in the brig for deserting, Ryu away tracking down AWOL soldiers, and Sayla was piloting the Gundam. She does not have the skills to match the Blue Giant. At the very least, her only option was running away to get the Gundam to Jaburo.
Another failure on M'Quve's part was how he conducted Odessa. He relied entirely on Eldren to ignore him and sent the remaining Tri-Stars to the rear to take down Whitebase. The Black Tri-Stars were considered as equal as an entire division so there is no way Kellarny would send them to the rear to take down one battleship not participating in the main battle.
While I think Zeon would have eventually been driven from Earth due to Zabi in-fighting, Char's backstabbing, or by war of attrition. Zeon's real chance of success was to destroy the EFSF before they could get a foothold in Zeon space. That is a different matter.
Sayla didn't have the skills to match the Blue Giant. If only she had taken the "MS Ground Combat Operations Basics" and "MS Ground Basic Manuvering Techniques" courses on Skillshare! Skillshare is th
Kellarny was to busy trying to get both get back into space, and tried to get access info on the Aplsess mobile armor for his own gains. And we know what happened to him, when he crossed the mobile armor's creator. Ka_Boom!
I think many people wrongly believe Ramba Ral getting the Doms means the ends of the Gundam. In Gihren Greed, if the Doms are received, Rambal manage to capture the White Base, the Guntank and Guncannon with them, but Amuro and the Gundam escapes, and if you are playing Feds side, you can have Amuro return with the Pixy and destroy Ramba
@@johnsouto5221 A scenario that would NOT happen here due to Yuri being stuck on command duty over the whole of Odessa. Also Odessa not ending in defeat for Zeon.
@@gundamfacts I thought Amuro only gets away in the Core fighter and the rest of the gundam is self destructed.,
A fun little thing to consider for anyone who isn't aware that the united maintenance plan is a retcon (originally the alt versions of the classic grunt MS in 0080 and 0083 were just different takes on the MS by different mechanical designers; those versions being variations/improvements was retconned in for ease of representation):
A lot of that plan's success is attributed to M'Quve. It notes that he's apparently a logistics wizard, and that's a big part of what made the whole process work.
My theory has always been that whoever conceived this retcon noticed that M'Quve ostensibly brings NOTHING to the table otherwise and, given his consistently god awful decision making, seems like an odd choice to be put in charge of anything (like, even beyond the strain of usual copouts like nepotism/favoritism/whatever). They thought it was a good opportunity to explain why ANYONE would let this useless POS have oversight of anything more important than a potted plant of some kind.
I'm entirely convinced of this. It makes perfect sense.
Imagine a world without Char. Could never.
Yeah char is so important every timeline needs one even the build stuff made for kids
Yes, because nearly every Gundam anime needs at least one masked rival or enemy. As the main influence of Char's first creation was in fact Darth Vader. Which only makes sense in a series made in 1979.
There must always be a masked rival of some kind
You may or may not know this but kakarot has a series on this topic actually its still ongoing and is awesome
@@GPowtlaw2 the one where they kill off char yeah still pretty curious how it plays out
More or less the set up to -Z. Though M'Quve lives in that one.
Ral capturing whitebase is a thing in Gihren's Greed if you give him Doms. Though reverse engineering white base is a waste because Zanzibars are cheaper and hold the same amount of Mobile Suits. Usually Amuro manages to escape. So I guess the Extra Gouf, Zaku and pilots were useful in this timeline.
White did have a second gundam, the G-3, but they left it behind on Luna 2 where it got magnetic coating. But its gundam, so of course they had the spare parts to make another Gundam. They had enough to make 16, but Cargo forgot to tell Bright so they struggled. Along with the block of Luna Titanium to make Amuro his shield shapped boomerangs. Those were boomerangs right? Right?...
At Jaburo, they were already producing Gms by the thousand. The first thirty that were complete were even sent as the honour guard for Revil during Odessa. The belief in Mobile Suits was already cemented. They shredded most of the Federations military in days. Though I like the bit about the air force. Outside of the show, they were deadly. Tenneth A Jung got like 20 Zaku kills in a saber fish. Which is badass.
And everyone's favorite. The remanants of the Federation Fleeing to the Asteroid belt and later Jupiter. Where the Fleet sheltered them, as a way to acquire Federation and Zeon Military equipment and sepcification for their own army. After a few years in hiding, they would emerge to return to the Earth sphere and free it from Spacenoid oppression. Only to find the Earth Sphere gripped in a civil war between the Zabis domination and a forgotten pro-Zeon family faction called the AZUG. Backed by aces such as Quattro Bajeena and Amuro Ray piloting stolen Gundams from the Zabi Family.
Amuro and Definitely-not-char fighting on the same side is always something I like to see.
Yes I know they worked together during zeta but only for a short time
If M'Quve died earlier, the chances of Zeon winning would rise exponentially.
If he had defected, Amuro would be piloting a ball and Bright would've been a captain of a transport ship somewhere instead of the Whitebase.
This is actually allmost exactly what happens if you give Ramba Ral his Doms in the ghireens greed games. He captures the white base, saving ALOT of your Zeon aces from being KIAed by the white base team. So the assesment here that Mquve was pivotal in Zeon loosing the OYW is really on point.
And everything cause of "Le´bling" XD
I miss that abridgment team so much.
So instead of the AEUG, we get the AZUG. I wonder if Zeon would put together their own TITANS-esque group or not
Another thing is neither side ever sees the potential of extremely powerful Newtypes like Amuro and Char in this timeline since Amuro is either dead or chilling in a prison cell for a significant chunk of the war and Char probably deserted sometime shortly after Odessa.
A lot of the Newtype specialized weaponry would never come into existence...I'm mildy curious on how Blue Destiny goes in this new timeline (Maron is probably trapped forever in the EXAM system).
Conversely, Zeon's MS development is going to go _INSANE_ over the gundams. Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if many mobile suits were completely overhauled once the Gundam's reactor was reverse-engineered to be more efficient, maybe even a few beam compatible early variants.
I doubt even if the EXAM system got that far in development that she would have been trapped forever; remember that The Federation lost the war Zeon would have no doubt found out about it, looked into it, freed her, and bring the Federation up on war crimes charges in a heartbeat.
@@garrettlittle1279 Zeon already knew where Marion was. She was at the Flanagan Institute, with all the other Zeon Newtypes. Dr. Chlust Moses was a Zeon scientist.
I'm not entirely sure thay Zeon would benefit that much from the Gundam if they won the war. It was already obsolete by the time the war ended, with both sides already mass producing machines equal or better than the Gundam, the GM Sniper II, and the Gelgoog.
@@garrettlittle1279 I don't think they would try to charge the Federation for the EXAM system, since Chlust Moses was originally a Zeon scientist. If they did, that would likely backfire due to the fact that both sides were using his work.
Kakarot: Amuro and the Gundam weren't among the biggest factors for the Federation.
Also Kakarot: Without Amuro and the Gundam the Federation gets destroyed.
Amuro and the Gundam were not the greatest direct military asset to the Feds. It was White Base's mission to submit all their combat data to Jaburo that was, because that's what kicks off the space-ready GM for Star One. The whole "Zeon gets the Core Fighter" thing is about equally important as "The Feds get the Operation V data".
@@afelias Not just the core fighter and the data and Amuro, but Amuro NOT finding the spy. (Though WOULD Yuri be diplomatic enough to suborn a full blown general from the Federation side? M'Quve was incompetent as a commander, but he was a smooth talker and weaver of promises.
Amuro's greatest contribution to the Feddies is the fact he's a certified ace killer. Well, that and the fact he revealed the general to be a traitor.
The ace killing is a major factor because there are plenty of aces historically that turned into instructors for new pilots. Most of Zeon's aces by the end of the war were either too busy fighting to stop and train new recruits or in many cases had been killed by Amuro personally like Ral and the Tri-Stars.
White Base and the V Project weapons being captured not only gives Zeon better tech right off the bat (imagine if they had reverse engineered the gundam's reactor and got the Gelgoog running months earlier than canon) but it also means resources devoted to taking White Base wouldn't have been diverted like they were in canon. There's also the fact that if Ramba had captured the Gundam, not only does that prevent his death, it prevents the death of Dozle Zabi and the destruction of Big Zam, both major morale boosters. Anvil Gato wouldn't leave his post assuming the gundam had already been shot down as he did in canon (The legend of the B-Gundam never comes to pass). Amuro not killing certain people when he did causes a massive ripple effect down the line.
The White Base team was also supposed to be the decoy for the Federation, keeping Zeon forces off step.
Honestly, I would be down for this what-if to continue, and more alternate realities to be explored. One that I think would be cool is what if Kira/Zaft had obtained the Astray rather than the G-Weapons
Lowe would grab the strike and would build the ultimate striker pack
Think there might be a SEED Fanfic out there where that happens, but I'm not sure
@@matthewbrune5490 if not, there needs to be one.
This is so well written that I could ve believed that it was canon
The only downside to this timeline is that we can’t have the only good thing he contributed and that was the Gyan. Honestly I just think fencing is cool and it becomes a thousand times cooler when a mech does it. My very first gunpla was the Gundam Rose and it has influenced my love for sword weapons. Heck, my dream custom for the RX-79 [G] Gundam Ground Type would carry six beam sabers.
As much as I wanted to smack him with a vase, I thank him for designing the Gyan.
There's a reason Zeon decided not to produce the Gyan though; its only ranged weapon was ineffective, its shield didn't work very well as a shield, and its emphasis on fencing requires a lot more skill in melee combat that simply whacking a GM with a heathawk. Canceling the Gyan and using parts meant for it to merge with parts from the Gelgoog to make the Galbaldy Alpha was a better use, as the Galbaldy was a slightly higher performance Gelgoog and could be produced by Zimmad while Zeonic made the Gelgoog, since neither company produced parts for the other's MS designs, at least not until the United Maintenance Plan. Which M'Quve came up with.
@@Swindle1984 I'm well aware, but the designs of it and the machines in the official timeline where it was picked over the Gelgoog just have a certain charm to them that I personally prefer. Besides I was raised to give compliments where compliments are due and "The Gyan looks cool" is the only thing that I can give.
@@MasterArchfiend The Gyan DOES look cool, very medieval aesthetic.
M'Quve in the original Gundam TV show is a dikhead, but in the Origin he's a chad and gentlemen till the end.
In Char's Deleted Affair he was also portrayed much more as a gentleman.
I wanted to say I don't get why Kakarot hates M'Quve so much but then I realised that my most recent impression of him is origin
@@kakarot197 yeah it's a really good shift, and I personally prefer him to be like that type guy.
It surprised me how M'Quve wasn't even the one who denied Ramba Ral the Doms but his assistant who went behind his back. Plus there was a genuinely creepy scene where Kycelia interviews M'Quve for the job and the panel layout really makes it look like she's molesting him. He looks so uncomfortable during this that I actually felt bad for him.
@@wdcain1 which version are u referring to ?
Great Kakarot has turned into Andrew Waltfeld with his new found love of making the perfect cup of coffee. 🤣
I really hope this continues, because I thought at first this would be a repeat of the "What if Zeon won?" Ending from the Gihren's Greed games, but it ended up being far more interesting than a normal April Fool's Video!
Any timeline that keeps Ramba Ral and Crowley Hamon alive is a better timeline. As a diehard fan of the Zeon grunt suits and their pilots, it breaks my heart to see so many of them pass away due to plot armor and whatnot.
So basicly the compete reversal on the oyw with federation remnants in place of zeon remnents and vice versa makes u wonder if the feds loss were so great that titans or rather the whole of zeta be rewritten
that reminds me... the whole plot of Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam was exactly Zeon winning the One Year War and causing history to repeat during the time when we should get Gryps Conflict instead.
In an alternate universe where M’Cunte died early the Gyan would have a BIG happy family of itself along with variants and would be as commonplace as the Gelgoog.
Moreover, Zeon could upgrade their Gelgoog/Gyan by combining their specs into one unit, akin to Galbaldy Alpha.
Next April fools vid
*What if jerrid didn't insult kamilles name?*
Honestly that derails a LOT of things and has plenty of potential outcomes.
Bro literally signed his and the entire Titans' death warrant calling a kids name a "girls name".
Turning battle of Odessa from quick Federation victory into protracted meat grinder would be even worse for Zeon which was suffering from manpower shortages from beginning of the war.
Keeping Odessa could've swayed some potential people into joining.
@@Memelord1117 Highly doubtful, whoever wanted on uncle Gihren wild (genocidal) ride already joined up.
Even if somehow that was the case the amount of now volunteers would never cover for the catastrophic losses of this alt Odessa, especially that all those new volunteers would be green as all hell.
"I Said, LE DING!!"
-M'Quve
......probably
RIP MSGA, a hero taken before your time
What an absolutely gorgeous piece of alternate history! If only a moderately decent officer would have been put in command of the Zeon forces on Earth.... but all they got was that abysmal M'quve!
Honestly since you looked at the 8th MS team you know that particular guy will do anything to hold on to a base and if you can't hold on to a base you'll completely destroy it but the thing is with odessa's current Commander he was trying to hide stuff from people but this particular person if he died and this other person took over seriously you'll see that he's not hiding anything he'll give what's necessary and I don't think I'd go as the way they planned I think the Gundam would still win but honestly I think it would be heavily damaged and increased his skills and took out the gun Cannon or gun tank and did massive damage problem would be how much damage and how they took Odessa won't be as easy because then they won't catch the traitor and I think both sides will take heavy casualties
But would there BE a traitor if Yuri was running things? He isn't as smooth a talker as M'Quve and probably not as good at bribery.
So, Ramba Rall defeated the White base and shot down an escaping Amuro.... Does this mean the OG cast of Gundam are dead in this timeline? This really is turning out to be more of a game changer early on than the Alex What if, of which it's awesome to hear you are gonna resume on continuing it soon.
Not, really. As mentioned in the video Ramba captured the White Base. So I am sure plenty of its crew are still alive, but in a Zeon Prisoner of War Camp somewhere in the Odessa Region. Or even sent to space.
Ramba Ral would have captured the White Base, knowing Sayla would be on it, I assume. Sayla would have still tried launching once. Only this time Ramba Ral would be in force instead of on a suicide mission, so he would spare the time to at least capture the White Base to ensure Sayla's safety.
@@afelias Actually Ramba did not know Sayla was on the White Base till he actually attacked the ship in his suicide. It was soon afterwards that he killed himself with the whole jumping out of the hole in the White Base and blowing himself up with a grenade.
@@robertdrexel2043 Oh right, Sayla's launch didn't amount to anything in terms of contacting Zeon at all. So I guess it's down to how hard the White Base will fight to its last or not, since now Ramba has no plan to attack it in a suicide mission by boarding.
@@afelias I think more interesting stories emerge from the White Base crew getting taken alive though pethaps not entirely unharmed. Captain Bright would look pretty cool with an eyepatch don't you think?
God this is... Kinda depressing
I would love to see more of this alternate timeline
Have you thought about doing a Best Commanders video? I really loved Commander Kelly from _Code Fairy_ since she was fully aware the detriment of M'Quve favoring units based on their faction along with what a mistake it was sending so many of Zeon's best pilots to deal with White Base. While her strategies weren't on the level of Schmitzer, she knew how to use her squad's individual skills.
If he gave Ramba Ral those Doms he would’ve survived
I didn't realize it was a joke till the very end. The writing was so good it didn't register. Love these what if series.
Congratulations Kakarot197 you created an interesting What-If scenario that could have occurred if a certain commander of Zeon's Odessa operations never made it to the Earth's surface.
Honestly would love to see more of this timeline,it left on a very interesting note, would love to see how it would effect 0080-0105
He wouldn't have been able to tell Uragan to deliver the vase Lady Kacillia.....it's priceless!
I refuse this. Amuro would have still survived.
But at least we're finally getting more of what if the Amuro got the Alex.
Survived but been captured would have been the coolest.
Kakarot197: "Be careful today and don't believe everything you see on face value"
Also Kakarot197: "I gotta go work on the next part of 'What if Amura got the Alex'"
Seriously though, awesome sort of April Fool's day video! If Amuro survived the crash, could there be a possible team up between him and Quattro once again in this version of the Universal Century under different circumstances? ...Or perhaps something even darker?
Zeon calling him M'Quve
Fed calls him Ma man'Quve
You can say that M'Quve was one of the reason of Zeon's failure in the One Year War.
m'quve is one of my favorite people in Gundam he is competent he was outnumbered 3-1 at Odessa he did well all things considered he based off of what has been seen he is probably a decent pilot he fought amuro at an advanced stage even char admitted it
Great video, although one detail I'd change is that the secret entrance to Jaburou wasn't found since Char didn't have to chase the White base around everywhere, making the siege on it more of an upfront siege that would still end in Zeon's victory
I am quite sure Amuro would be able to overcome Ramba Ral still although far more damaged.
oh goddamn it please for all that is holy please continue this, you got me hooked on this what if plot line of your in only one video and now I NEED more.
Without him…the United Maintenance Plan wouldn’t exist. So he at least needs to live till that’s implemented.
I love these theory/what-if videos!
Ramba Ral and the Black Tri-Stars would've been dangerous against the White Base if M'quve was dead or at the very least more competent than he originally was; too bad he kept dragging his butt around all the time.
The joke is that M'quve singlehandedly screwed over zeon.
So...now, instead of having to deal with Amuro in a Gundam, they now have to deal with the former top-ranking ace of Zeon...in a VERY high-performance mobile suit, like the GM Dominance.
This...might go VERY badly for the Zeon space force once Char/Quattro got into that suit. He'd make a beeline straight for Degwin and Gihren at A Baoa Qu.
Imagine the video isn’t talking about maqube dying but he is a double agent
Really? Is M'Quve really that incompetent? I heard that without him the logistics of Zeon would have been still a mess. I really doubt whether Zeon can possibly mass produce anything they get from the federation. With respect to infrastructure and human resources, Zeon is no match to the federation. From the anime we also know the federation uses the white base as a distraction deliberately because they notice the Zeon military is focusing too much on it. Since Revil is in charge I think there must be some reason that Revil is that confident. Maybe the gundam team is not really that important, it's just they are the protaganists of the anime.
MQuve was on one of those zeon higher ups that was simultaneously keeping zeon together and destroying it at the same time.
I'm pretty sure that death of M'Quve wouldn't change anything. For one, while incompetent, he was just following Kcyllia orders. She wanted resources for the post-war struggle with ghiren instead of supporting current war with Earth Federation, so any M'Quve replacement would also had to follow this line. For the same reason it's impossible that Ramba Ral would replace him, because he was Dozle men.
Not gonna lie, if I wrote the scenario, I'd probably have Amuro (who was just starting to feel sympathies for Zeon soldiers) live and be captured and live. Probably no Amuro fighting for Zeon unless a Char Uprising (a la Gihren's Greed scenario) happened.
I wonder what happens if Yrui and the Apsalus guy don't come to blows.
Hey Kakarot, I've been thinking about an interesting scenario, one that wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility: What if Operation Stardust had failed at either Torrington or Mount Kilimanjaro? There's the big implication of no Titans, but it also means things like movable frame technology wouldn't be developed until a later point in the UC. Earth wouldn't be dependent on the Colonies for food and Axis Zeon wouldn't invade.
Without the Titans, the AEUG either wouldn't exist or be a much smaller rebellion. Char might have cut his losses and stuck with Axis and been there to help raise Mineva, Haman might not even hate him anymore.
Kamille would live a normal life as his parents would still be alive.
@@jetblackangelX If by normal, you mean continuous abuse and neglect.
The part about disabling all the aa equipment in jaburo reminds me of the 1st zeon jaburo level in gundam lost war chronicles (ps2)
This shit aint even an april fools joke. Its just true
Your April Fools joke got me pretty hyped. If you are definitely able to, you must continue the story.
This is gonna be interesting. In the main timeline the Titans were already corrupt and very extreme. However, in this timeline we may see an even more unhinged and corrupt Titans. On top of that we'll also get to see how Giren manages the principality post victory, which also has promise (especially if you've seen the endings of the Giren's greed games). Not to mention that in this timeline Haman wouldn't have been driven to extremes as a result of Zeon's loss, along with Char playing with her emotions for personal gain. We truly are in uncharted waters here.
Ha, that last part really got me, had my hopes up but I'm not gonna fall for it. Good one Kakarot
I know its been a while, but i hope you continue this scenario, its super interesting!
Nah. Zeon is not reverse engeneering a battleship, a mobile suit and a fighter in 5-6 weeks before the war ends. The lore of the one year war is seriously restricted by it not only being one year long, but most of that year we experienced on camera being only the last 3 and a half months of that year.
The F-22, still state of the art, was in development in the mid 1990s. (20+ years ago). The F-35 isnt much younger. Military programs are not planned and developed in the span of a month ever.
Love the Zeonic Front music in the background. M'Quve lives in the compilation movies... I dunno which version of the timeline is supposed to be canon anymore. Really, really cool video though.
Hopefully we get the sequel to this story.
Sets out to make a Shitpost
Accidentally makes his magnum opus
You kind of just realize how much of an incompetent idiot M'Quve was that him dying earlier would benefit Zeon in the long run.
I personally think that if this were to play through as was, Solomon would’ve been able to take advantage of the momentum on Earth to better focus on their weapon development. By the time the final push on Jaburo began, I believe it would be in tandem with a parallel space attack on Luna II, maybe even with a squad a newly mass produced Big Zams among other things? Even as a Feddy supporter, in this scenario, I don’t see Luna II surviving the war to be able to put up any form of resistance afterwards at all:/
Oh my gawd…..I just started rewatching SD Gundam Force
And even in THAT series M’Quve screwed things over for his side
As the Gian representative Dark Axis, Solitary Gian, led Zapper Zaku to being the blood thirsty shoot happy guy he is in the main series
It’s also hilarious to know Solitary Gian is basically a M’Quve stand in, being a false chivalrous jerk who gets no respect from he’s fellow associates
Also SD basically following Kakarot’s line of thought in that Gian tried to cheat to win by stealing Zapper’s guns since he had no proper guns himself, the ultimate flaw of the Gian
TH-cam Auto subs: "And amongst them was a certain Quattro Vagina. But that is a story for the next April Fools Day."
I'm running short on breath laughing at this.
this is really good! looking forward for the part 2.
M'Quve's greatest accomplishment was giving Gyanko from Build Fighters Try her main MS
I am interested in seeing how Quattro and the Earth Federation remnants will defeat the more powerful Zeon in this timeline. I have hope that Amuro is still alive in this timeline. Thanks dude for keeping on making videos like this.
This is a late comment, but I love your alternate universe takes. Seeing Luna II effectively become this timeline's version of the Delaz Fleet (or Anti Zeon Union Group?) would make for this timeline's Stardust Memories equivalent interesting to theorycraft.
Would love to see your take on additional 'what ifs', sort of like how Gihren's Greed let you as Zeon decide to give the Gyan further development love rather than the Gelgoog as in canon.
IF M'Quve never existed- World peace!
You'd think that with the capture of the gundam it'd push the gelgoog development far ahead of schedule with federation improvements like the gundams data, Luna titanium alloy and other features.
The weakness of Zeon to air power also shows the ignorance of Mobile Suit designers. Zeon could have made some type of variation with shoulder mounted or arm mounted autocannons, think Rifleman from Battletech or a walking Shilka tank, as an Anti Aircraft unit
They did it was vslled the zaku cannon
Hey hey hey don't make me wait for next April for this 🤣 this was getting good actually
You, also, did a great job coming up with a good story
THIS IS NO GOUF,BOY!?
NO GOUF!
I was hoping Ramba Ral could pilot the Gouf Flight test type against the Gundam.
I feel like Char wouldn't go for Luna 2, he might end up with Ramba Ral and Yuri ESPESCIALLY if his sister is alive in Ral's care.
Questions I'd like to ask:
1) The Sleeves aka 3rd Neo Zeon were known for the decorative ornaments on their MS that made them look like they were wearing European styled sleeves and collars. What was the point of these ornaments?
2) In the manga Johnny Ridden no Kikan, Chairman Gopp revealed that Anaheim Electronics only bought HALF the assets of the former Zeon MS companies while the E.F.S.F. bought the other half. We already know what Anaheim did with its half, but what happened to the assets that the Earth Federation bought?
A possible answer for the second question: The EFSF would use these acquired assets to repair/design variants of preexisting mobile suits, at a later point being reorganized into SNRI, the developers of the Formula series
@@jetblackangelX Good possibility. Another possibility I thought of is: Whatever the Federation acquired of the former Zeon companies was given to the Titans. This would somewhat explain how they managed to develop MS without Anaheim Electronics, why the vast majority of their MS were mono-eyed, and why the Federation would rely on Anaheim for MS development until they founded the SNRI
At first I thought this was going to be a joke but now I'm intrigued, I want to hear the rest of it.
Please, I am begging you, make a sequel sooner than next April first
A lot of fun but for myself while I like the idea of M'Quve going in the first or second earth descent I don't see that being the case. Instead I see M'Quve's down fall coming by the hands of our resident group of badasses the Midnight Ferrir core. Just before the battle of Odyessy the Ferrir's comander would see what M'Quve was up given the squad was deployed to the front and realizing the terrible strategy riding on General Elron holding his troops back because M'Quve ordered him too, would use the situation to Zeon's benefit by labeling M'Quve a traitor. Stating the captain was a war profiteer, had kept vital assets from the late Ramba Ral, and sent the Black Tri Stars in blind against the White Base and her crew. And the moment M'Quve protested one of the senior officers would shoot the command structure the captain was in. Now the Midnight Core would redeploy with half the troops going to aide the remaining Black Tri Stars with the other half charges the front lines of General Revals units and is able to score a blow in pushing back the Federation main forces while the White Base is stalled in their advance.
A coup like that would be much less effective.
The real victim of this April Fools was Kakarot all along
Since you brought in Yuri Kellerne, I have a question about a certain form of WMD he used in the show: The Vapor or Vaporization Bomb. Originally, it was just a guise for a nuclear weapon which he simply called by another name to excuse it as not breaking the Treaty. I thought it was bull but then it came up again in Gundam Legacy.
So what exactly is the deal with a Vaporization Bomb? It own things that makes the use of it exempt from the Treaty or just a nuke labeled in another name?
I think it was a deliberately mislabled nuke but the closest weapon to that description would be a Fuel-Air thermobaric, which are the next most destructive weapons IRL. And literally use aeresolized/vapor fuel.
I've never seen a video on April fools day ever destroy a character so bad that zeon would've been better without him
Seeing as Zeon won the OYW in this timeline, how would spacenoid independence look like in comparison to canon UC?
You should do a development history of the Shining, Rising, and Burning/God Gundams. It's more in depth then you first think because of spin off manga. Yes, even Super Robots have some development history, and no one has covered the God Gundam in one of those types of videos.
Lore questions for 00: what if Veda had stuck to its original plan to use innovades as gundam meisters for armed interventions
The load out being Bring in the Exia, Hiling in the Dynames, Revive in the Kyrios, Regene in Virtue and as support, Hixar in Rasiel
What if Setsuna died/was never recruited and Fon Spaak was chosen to pilot Exia
Can you do a video on Ramba Ral? Something like a timeline or character analysis, something like that
Ramba Ral in a blue RX-78 Gundam...Damn! That is a worst case scenario if there ever was one!
My personal theory is M'Quve was only in such a high-ranking position because he was sleeping with Kycilia.
For question of the week could you do a video on how many F97/X- Series units there are?
As far as i know there's 14 units assuming there are units X-0 through X-13 and not including stuff like the Phantom Gundam since that's a Jupiter developed MS that's based on the data from the F99 Record Breaker.
I’m just saying, every option to ignore Mquve in Gihrens Greed games give better outcomes
Let’s make up our own mobile suits, I’ll go first. My first idea is the torque, it’s similar to the gouf, armed with a beam saber, a beam rifle, and a shield with cannons, the most famous unit is the lisa maroon custom, painted red with an extra beam saber. There are variations of this suit, the marine type, the ground type the high mobility type cannon type.The next fan made unit is the tarasque, this unit has some similarities with the gelgoog, armed with beam sabers, a beam hawk, Vulcan guns in the arm, and a beam bazooka. The variations are the ground type, the marine type, and the heavy artillery type. The most famous unit is the jack dragoon custom, it’s painted blue and has a beam bayonet. The next unit is the nebula Gundam. It’s armed with two beam sabers, a beam rifle, a beam shield, a meteor bazooka, and Vulcan guns on the head. It is piloted by dan wolven, it’s special features are its variable armor system, it’s a cross between the striker packs and g armor. It was developed by the galactic federation in the star century, along with its sister units, the force Gundam, the cobalt Gundam,the haze Gundam, and the aphro Gundam. The tarasque and torque were developed by the Kerberos empire. The next fan made mobile suit is the hawker, a mass produced mobile suit, it looks like a cross between the heavygun (trust me, this unit is MUCH better than those) and the strike dagger, with elements of layzner. It’s armed with beam sabers, proto beam rifles, beam shields and regular shields. The variations of the hawker are the marine type, the commander type, the light armor type, and the artillery type. The most famous unit is the Guliver will custom, painted green with a beam shield given to commander units. Any ideas?