@@screamer22222 execute anybody that is 0 or 1 stars, Interrogate anybody that is 2 or star. Kill kartina 3-5 times an hour, average 2 veil drops per hour. That's it. It's not that complicated. If you do all the shit in the video you'll lose time and money. But it's good to understand it.
@@kkeithftotally different farming strat than the video is talking about. The vid is about div card farming from gravisius. Thought that was pretty clear if you play the game.
Ironically I had just decided earlier today to try Gravicius and found your previous 3.24 Betrayal strategy video. After literally watching that video 3 times while setting up my board over the past 5 hours I FINALLY started to understand how this worked. And then TH-cam sent me to this video which you JUST posted so now I am going to spend hours watching this one and re-setup my board.
i am the same 😂😂😂, i dont want to rebuild again and I don't use scarb so, i will just continue rivals everyone to everyone, in the end i having fun and that what important
This is a world where the Syndicate are running their transportation department with a skeleton crew of two of the biggest lunatics they have, and EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM, and somehow that results in massive profits. This is an absolutely brilliant guide for a fascinating strategy, looks like I'm redoing my atlas tree again!
Thought “man another long video” but at the end I was disappointed it wasn’t longer 😂 so I could see you do it on a fresh board. Very informative and clear guide, subscribed!
Wanted to come and say, thanks for this video and the depth you put into it. I just pulled an apothecary stack at 10 hours of trying this method! Probably very lucky but wouldn't have been able to without your detail.
honestly that league i was a massive noob compared to the noob i am today, but boy am i glad i spent an unhealthy amount of hours farming harbour bridge that league... the decision making becomes "fluent" to understand eventually where you don't have to think much about it, though i was not smart enough to figure out these specific relation connections, was always trained on "just give everybody relations to everybody" but super keen to try this out
I always used to farm syndicate before the changes in 3.24. During the recombinator league when I was new to the game looking for money making strategy, I found a random underrated poe youtuber who simplified this to me in 20-30 mins. I tried that and sold my first Aisling after 2 tries. The more I tinkered around the mechanics the more shortcuts I found like having 100% mastermind intelligence right after finishing a katarina fight within 2-4 maps, how to get Aisling faster etc etc. To me betrayal was a very simple money making with no real investment other than buying sextants. Every league I made quite the money just from this. After the immense changes, I lost hope because for me it was the easiest way to make money without putting a lot of efforts lol. Now after seeing this video I regained my interest back to try betreyal again. Honestly I haven't got whole gist of your video yet, but after watching this again and again I will pull this off after some failed attempts. Thank you guiding me back to syndicate again ❤️, in a new way.
Thanks for this guide! All this time I've been doing hundreds of Catarina runs, chasing veiled orbs. This seems like much faster and more consistent way to generate profit.
After many years I guess I finally understood lol. I always run betrayal on league start for unveils and this league I was trying to get grav and was never getting transportation houses, i hope it remains the same next league lol Thank you for the video, your voice is amazing.
They've said they are in the process of reworking syndicate and that it might be ready next league (talked about it before the league launch). Hopefully they make the overall experience a lot smoother and rewarding.
Hey! after two week, I did it! now my board looks like yours they like spiderman webbing other people up now I feels like I controlled the Syndicate haha😆 thank for the tutorial! after 3.4 I left POE and several comeback ,I finally know how Syndicate works!
Absolutely brilliant. I think what you could try to show, and I don't want you to mess up your tree, is an initial setup. Some examples, even in paint. That'd help.
I've added to the video description a bit detailing the process of deranking, moving, and setting up initial relationships to try to help people out. Hope it helps you
@@simplyVizniz Im still completely uncertain on how you make rivalries. Is it just completely random as a bargain option? Also i never get the leader and only find one person encounters in transport all the time even with the scarab, whats happening here?
VERY IMPORTANT: - You need to spec out of Bribery when you are setting up the rivalrys for Gravicus and the other guy in transport. I have been shooting myself in the foot for 4 hours
@@ryckett I don’t think so. The execute option rarely shows up for the last two people on your screen bcus they often try to betray each other and the very last guy can never be executed. So, just speak to the ppl with missing stars first.
Nice, I just watched your previous video on this multiple times this week to learn the strat and I've been building my board up and now you drop this 😎
what ive been doing in the past (3.7) is just executing valuable scarab syndicate to intervention, demoting(interograte wanted syndicate from wrong safehouse), and expel unwanted one. i was raked ton of exalt from blood aqueduct farm only and bought my first HH within 3 days of farming.
I love the video, but I think it's important to highlight WHAT you are farming specifically so people can understand. Not everyone knows what gravicius does (myself included) and why this would be a valid strategy. If that was included as a quick segment in the intro that would be really cool for next time :)
Exactly this is making 0 sense I don't know what anyone of these guys gives or why I would want a certain category over the other this is not a Beginner Guide this is a Very Advanced Set Up !!! thanks For trying to help
I have 10k hours in PoE but only this league decided to actually learn Betrayal properly (I always despised the mechanic). This league in SSF with so many farming avenues nerfed to shit, I decided to hunt for cards with Gravicius and your guides are the only truly helpful ones I've found. He has given me a Kaom's Heart and two full sets of Divine Beauty so far, I'm gonna do this at leaguestart next league unless they nerf it again.
Fantastic video! The only thing I want to mention/warn others is: pretty sure that the phrase Captain and Leader got at least once confused with one another. Leader always refers to the lead position inside a safehouse. Even one star member can be leader. Captain is just another name for 3 star.
Oh didnt even bother to read description^^ Tbf confusing those two happend to me so many times already that I am quite aware of it :D The official phrase Captain is quite confusing imo. Thanks again for the sick content you provide regarding one of the most complex mechanics in this game
I've managed to do the 2-2-5-5 setup, Gravicius as leader of Transportation, Cameria as second, both rank 3, removed Bribery from Atlas, ranked all 5 members of Intervention and Research to 3 but still no trusted or rival relationship options found. Any time I run map with Jun the last person of 5 member faction has options to interrogate, release or as bargain I'm only getting remove member X from syndicate, remove all rivalries, destroy all items but nothing else. How can I get bargain option to provide any relationship effects like trusted, rivalry or neutral? I've ran around 70 maps with Jun with people in right places without seeing bargain giving relationship change option of any kind.
For anyone else wondering, you have to make them trusted first, so if you see something like "Cameria and Riker become trusted" take that, then later you'll get a betray option to make them rivals. it's RNG to get them to be trusted, but as others have noted, unspec'ing Bribery on the tree helps
Keeping Gravicius and Cameria in Transportation ensures that you can get 1-2 stacks of divination cards (full stacks) from Gravicius and a chance at a chase unique like Headhunter (nemesis league) ~ Timeworn Uniques. Gravicius can have some pretty nice full-sets of cards.
@@SuperCatacatayou can farm Catarina, if your goal is to farm veiled orbs. You can do this instead, (which is atleast ×10 faster) to get valuable items. I have gotten magebloods, house of Mirrors, headhunters etc.
@@SuperCatacata he did say it's good early league. Not much people crafting, veiled orbs are not that expensive. But you could get a lot of divine cards and other valuable cards at full stack and a chance at expensive uniques. Works well with a boss rush strat as well as he showcased
Im currently trying this and getting everyone to the correct position was so easy that i thought it wouldn't take much time, 3 hours later cameria and grav have no connections to anyone holy shit
Okay for anyone trying to set this up DO NOT TAKE THE BRIBERY NODE ON ATLAS PASSIVE SKILL TREE it makes so the bargain option is usually about items with veiled mods making it impossible to setup a board in less than 20 hours, after i removed it, cameria connected to everyone in 50 maps
@@Shadycrazy depends really its kinda of a big gamble, i got divine beauty and made 7 divs in 20 maps but hey thats my luck and it might not be yours, Yes i reallocate the node after i'm done and currently the veiled orbs are very expensive so its probably more stable for money, on the other hand you can replace cameria, which is a HUGE gamble for HH with Hillock for essence scarabs making way more profitable and stable, if you have any questions feel free to ask, Cheers
He's got a mageblood and a build that zooms more or less instantly across the map, no way casual players are getting 13 safehouses an hour in betrayal. The guide is good, but he's getting a lot more profit than a typical player can expect from this strategy.
You could play the typical heist league starter and run even faster than I do honestly. You're not wrong that I am going to go faster than others though since I'm used to the talking options but keep in mind that also applies to most things in the game right.
@@blahmaster6k Yes, we probably can't do 13/hr, but he started from 0 just like the rest of us. Grind, make currency, and we can get there eventually. I play for about 2 hr a day and can usually get a pretty powerful build together. Not this powerful but still satisfying...
You are a god sir, your plans goes over my head totally. Really dont understand why you would like to do this, i want to farm as much as possible xD I haven t even understand why not to the boss and let her be. chuckles by myself thinking this is why i never will be rich. :D
Would be nice to have a video showing how to setup the board from a fresh run. I'm working hard on getting all my relations untied. Thinking it might just be easier to run Katarina and start fresh.
What about a set up if I just want to spam mastermind over and over? Any tips on that, since it blanks your board every time? Or is it just as straight forward as Run missions, hope you encounter the leader, 3 star them, then interrogate/ get intel from them rinse repeat for 4 or 5 maps to get mastermind up?
Yeah you can also run the scarabs and the atlas nodes that give intel to random safe house. You’ll get mastermind very quickly, like within a few maps. This is really good for xp as well.
This honestly is the real simple way to do Betrayal now. The entire thing got gutted, and the board doesn't matter at all anymore. Veiled orb is it, and that drops off the boss. So execute everybody, jail the 3 stars, take intelligence bargains, do safe houses, unlock and kill mastermind. Repeat
This is an awesome guide Because most syndicate guides are " You move this member here and he does this and then you raid the house and get the reward" lol Thanks
I built the 2 2 5 5 setup. But i cannot seem to get any connection to my grav or cameria. Do they have to have a connection before i put them in the 2 2 5 5 setup?
Any advice on setting up the board before running the strat? Do you just put Grav + 1 on other divisions first to get the rivalries set up before getting him to transportation?
I set it up this league by getting members into their proper positions first (2/2/5/5) and using the Bargain options given to the last standing member in encounters to build trusted and then rival relationships. Doing it this way allows you to run transportation safehouses while building up the connections.
Today i had a trade offer while i was launching the map, took maybe a minute to get over with the trade, then as soon as i entered the map, an intervention popped instantly, so timer is running already after a while if you dont get inside asap (I've been farming this for a few days already
I know this is a minuscule sample size and this strategy is pure gamble. But if not for the EXP it gives i would feel even more like i'm running in place, hoping for a huge payout. I've done 70ish maps and ironically enough Grav payouts are mostly chaos with maybe something being around a div or two once. Ironically I got a Headhunter from a card when i was setting this whole board up and was very slow. Managed to sell it when it was still around 30 div. The biggest downside for me is the way filling up the hideout quota works and opening up portals in the map. Learned the hard way that if interact with a remaining member on the map, after opening the portal that empties the hideout. Not sure if just touching them or selecting an option is needed. Also my Transportation on the map was 0 reinforcements Grav or often running 2 encounter map, cause Transportation only filled when you opened the map, while Fort just ran out. So my time till Grav often extended to 3+ maps.
For people still confused. This a guide for betrayal, using his particular example/strategy for the betrayal board, as the demonstration. (Full stack rare Div cards) He breaks down how to set it up, what each option does, and the same principles can now be easily applied to set up a board for any strategy you want. For example Vorici in research/intervention to target harvest/deli scarabs Betrayal can take some more foresight in knowing what you want to target, They recently nerfed some of the rewards but still. They made yolo farming kat way easier with atlas nodes if you want to not think about it
is this setup better than farming for veiled orb? how often do you get jackpot card sets? im currently trying to farm veiled orbs and made a lot of div so far. i wanna get convinced that this setup is better
So after watching 200 hrs of betrayal videos, using cheat sheets, and doing betrayal for hundreds of hours in game - This mechanic still gives me nosebleeds and uncontrolled tears.
18:58 you mindfked me ... did you mean the opposite right? delay is recommended when gravicius is not 3 star yet is what you meant to say??? , and if so what happened when I release him? doesn't he loses all his connections doing that? and next encounter he'll join back to transportation guaranteed am I understanding this correctly? and what rank will he be next encounter will he reset to rank 1? and lastly does it matter which member end up in research, intervention and fortification? all I have to focus is gravicius and camera in transportation then?
Still pretty confusing tbh. I had no idea that the other members didn't matter where you put them and only realized hours into trying to get every single member to be like every single member on your board that it wasn't important. Would've appreciated you mentioning that rofl. What sorts of conditions make it so you can remove people from the board? I STILL don't have gravicius after hours, and I don't understand what conditions are needed for the "remove x from board" to occur. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
By not having any trusted connections you're missing out on the additional chance for the transportation guys to bring in trusted reinforcements. And if you kill Reasearch/Intervention (I think Transporation as well, but I'm not sure) encounters too quickly they don't spawn in all the reinforcements. Otherwise cool strategy! It's been a while since I've farmed it seriously myself, but always nice to see a fellow syndicate enjoyer out there. =D
Hey, I'm pretty new to poe. It's my 2nd league and I really want to try out the betrayal. is there any good guides on how I can get my board to look like yours? I dont understand how to move members to exactly where I want or how to get a lot of relations between them Also how long does it take to set up the board like this? Maybe this is a problem solver for me
This is mostly aimed more experienced players but I can try to help you through this. Moving members can be broken down to using various choices (although primarily Interrogation) to de-rank people down to 0* stars. You may notice this as members already who don't have a place and are floating around below the safehouses. If these members show up in an encounter you can talk with them and execute (+ ranks) to place them into the current encounter (research, intervention, fortification, or transportation). Using this method of de-ranking people to 0 and waiting until they appear in other safehouses you can begin the process of moving people to their proper locations. Building relationships can be done easily over a period of time by leaving members you want to have relationship last so they gain "Bargain" options that can build trusted (and later rival) relationships. These are independent of the members who show up in the encounter so reading the potential connections here is important. As for how long it can take to set this up typically experienced players doing single safehouse strategies (as opposed to double) can set it up in 5 or so hours. This time will be increased dramatically as less experienced players will be double checking the choices and reading more.
Do you first build rivalry with Cameria/Grav and other members and then stick them in transportation, or you can do 2-2-5-5 first, and then build rivalries? I spent few hours today in final setup without connections, and it was kind poor experience - impossible to rank up the guys i need. Maybe Im bad at betrayal tho, first time taking it seriously.
You can do 2-2-5-5 first and then leave them as the last standing member every time you come across them as you'll get Bargain options that can create links.
Two questions, why not block Research instead of Fortification as Research takes more time to run? And why do u rival them all instead of making them trusted? Also can i farm 3 members in transportation, or if i farm both transport and fort can there be 3 members in one of them?
I think thats becouse after you have everything set up. You want to find transport First on your maps. And fortification does not allow to skip it when it shows. But you Can skip research and you can skip intervention if you dont kill and hurry to find transport
Question, i have the board set up to the 2-2-5-5, but i have no betrayel except for one line of grav to janus, if the option to betray only shows up if they are in the same house, should i just do kata and set up betrayel earlier to set up betrayal or jsut play the rng
Fascinating. I've done hundreds of Syndicate encounters, but this video shows that I still don't understand the first thing about it. Why Gravicius and Cameria? Why rivalries and not the green connections? As in, what goals can one set up for themselves, what can you really get out of Syndicate (outside of the chaos resistance crafts, that was the only thing I ever used it for)? Can you recommend an introduction video please?
Grav rewards full divination card stacks, cameria for league specific uniques (death rush mainly early league) Connections help bring in additional people into encounters for more executions/interrogations (+ranks, +intelligence) and rivals have better options than trusted due to them not having betray options I would recommend checking out the rewards available from each member in the various safehouses on poewiki or poedb and seeing what you would be interested in.
so when is this strategy most profitable? early league since a lot of uniques have some value? or late league, when the chase items have become very expensive?
Wouldn't running Fortification safehouses with someone like Janus and Hillock also be a good idea, if you have the 2/2/5/5 setup, since the captain will be immediately bumped back into fortification, after you're done with the safehouse, and you basically get free scarabs?
so, rival relationship from Gravicious and secondary transportation member to every regular member (lieutenants not: captains/not boys in circle, box) in another divisions (expect fortification) is better than everyone having rival relationship with everyone, and this is most optimal board for transportation farming while using reinforcements+inteligence scarabs?
So this is a strat for a full set of div card and uniques like headhunter only, right? If I prefer to rush Catarina for a veiled orb, is there any strategy besides rushing every safehouse? I got lucky with 3 star Grav dropping a full set of The Sephirot with a veiled orb from Catarina and want to replicate it but looking at how running Catarina reset the whole board I probably just have to be lucky again.
Im in ssf, I am basically creating connections between everyone everytime the option appears. I understand that if I dont use the scarabs, I can also create connections to leaders right? Also, what is the benefit of running 2 2 5 5 members? And finally, if I have connections between the members that are not in transportation, should I restart my board only creating connections like in the video? Sorry for all the questions😅
You can and should create connections to the leaders. The 2s allow for you to interrogate/run the safehouse using the members inside without them bouncing around to another safehouse. It keeps them trapped within so no time is wasted getting them back. I wouldn't restart the board just move people to their appropriate places (only the reward members matter) and utilize the Bargain mechanic to build proper connections. Feel free to drop the Bribery atlas passive during the time you're building connections
Let's say I got all the people where I want them, but I'm still missing the rivalries - am I still able to get the rivalries? or do I need to build the rivalry relations before putting all of them where they should be?
Thanks for the guide. The only thing I would mention is how long it can take to make connections. I didn't connect them all just enough. Maybe there's an easier way to make them that I missed?
afaik: The objective: Kill as many 3 star gravicious per hour in the transportation safehouse as possible. Why? 3 star gravicious safehouse gives you one full stack of div cards. And if you are lucky, you get e.g. a mirror, mirror shards, a headhunter, mageblood, whatever div card exists. But of course you can't give this strategy a div/hour tag, as it's fully random what div cards you get.
hey, thanks for the update, I used your strategy last league and got full set of The Doctor from Grav in SSF, super cool! I often have/had an issue of only Gravicius spawning in transportation encounters few times in a row though, despite him being rival with 7 members. is it common and just rng, or do I do something wrong?
hey I have few questions if you dont mind: 1) Does Gravicius needs to be a leader? On your board you have Cameria as captain 2) Who you can recommend for transportation except Cameria/hh lottery? 3) I once opened safehouse on the map, and there were nobody there, door was shut and quest was saying "everybody fleed" how to avoid this? 4) I use use strat as addition to my main one, what the difference between your setup and setup without scarabs? Thank you!
Leadership for the safehouse rewards have no impact just that the leader will retain their stars after the safehouse which can lead to a quicker follow-up safehouse when Gravicius is leader since you don't have to rank him up again. Hillock is ok for essence scarabs, Leo for catalysts, vorici early in ssf for 50 fusings. Janus might be ok given the high price of chisels this league but I couldn't say having never used him. Hillock comes with the benefit of giving the fertile catalyst card often. You need to be sure there is no possibility of you entering an intervention encounter as the portals open by completely clearing the surrounding area. It can happen that as the portals are opening intervention occurs which will end the safehouse encounter. For safety you can open the portal after the intervention instead of after the first encounter. Setup without scarabs is just a bit slower due to the nature of having less reinforcements and lower intelligence gain. You make up for some of the delay by being able to connect leaders who have stronger intelligence gains overall and give access to large Bargain intelligence options. Betrayal is one of the those mechanics that plays very well alongside another mechanic although it is passive point hungry.
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This is going to be the 258,531 time that I think I finally understand what I am doing.
I wish you luck dude
Same, and again, I'm gonna think I understood and then realise I didnt
@@screamer22222 execute anybody that is 0 or 1 stars, Interrogate anybody that is 2 or star. Kill kartina 3-5 times an hour, average 2 veil drops per hour. That's it. It's not that complicated. If you do all the shit in the video you'll lose time and money. But it's good to understand it.
I won’t be fooled!!! I still don’t get it.
@@kkeithftotally different farming strat than the video is talking about. The vid is about div card farming from gravisius. Thought that was pretty clear if you play the game.
“Simplified setup” 30 min video. PoE is unmatched 😂
Unsimplified would be 30h. I won't even bother with Betrayal, making my head spin :D
I mean its poe you can spend well over 30 min trying to explain anything in this game
It's like the tutorial series for EVE online, part 1 of 30, 1 hour each
God dammit I am 11 hours late.
Try to look for "Factorio absolute train basics" :)
Most simple Poe league mechanic. Would recommend for beginners, thanks.
Lmao
Lmao
this is how i lost all my friends initially playing PoE. They all left the game after showing this vid.
Ironically I had just decided earlier today to try Gravicius and found your previous 3.24 Betrayal strategy video. After literally watching that video 3 times while setting up my board over the past 5 hours I FINALLY started to understand how this worked. And then TH-cam sent me to this video which you JUST posted so now I am going to spend hours watching this one and re-setup my board.
I'm so sorry but I hope this is easier for people to understand and has a much stronger synergy with scarabs
It will never end, it never ends, I've been in that rabbit hole for leagues on, and it never fucking ends.
I'm in the exact same situation 😂
i am the same 😂😂😂, i dont want to rebuild again and I don't use scarb
so, i will just continue rivals everyone to everyone, in the end i having fun and that what important
This is a world where the Syndicate are running their transportation department with a skeleton crew of two of the biggest lunatics they have, and EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM, and somehow that results in massive profits.
This is an absolutely brilliant guide for a fascinating strategy, looks like I'm redoing my atlas tree again!
Thought “man another long video” but at the end I was disappointed it wasn’t longer 😂 so I could see you do it on a fresh board. Very informative and clear guide, subscribed!
Wanted to come and say, thanks for this video and the depth you put into it. I just pulled an apothecary stack at 10 hours of trying this method! Probably very lucky but wouldn't have been able to without your detail.
I started in Betrayal, and after 7k hours of playing this game, this shit still makes my fucking head hurt.
I still get confused by some of it honestly
honestly that league i was a massive noob compared to the noob i am today, but boy am i glad i spent an unhealthy amount of hours farming harbour bridge that league... the decision making becomes "fluent" to understand eventually where you don't have to think much about it, though i was not smart enough to figure out these specific relation connections, was always trained on "just give everybody relations to everybody" but super keen to try this out
"My head still hurts" - Hillock
@@ChilledoutDevil Man I remember that. I was selling the +extra quality to gems or turn sockets white bench or whatever, from who was it, vorici?
Currently deciding whether I should learn this or get a PhD in electrical engineering.
I would study a million safehouse layouts over EE again.
Absolutely phenomenal guide man, explained everything clearly and provided a gameplay example of what to do.
Hope it helps!
I always used to farm syndicate before the changes in 3.24. During the recombinator league when I was new to the game looking for money making strategy, I found a random underrated poe youtuber who simplified this to me in 20-30 mins. I tried that and sold my first Aisling after 2 tries. The more I tinkered around the mechanics the more shortcuts I found like having 100% mastermind intelligence right after finishing a katarina fight within 2-4 maps, how to get Aisling faster etc etc. To me betrayal was a very simple money making with no real investment other than buying sextants. Every league I made quite the money just from this.
After the immense changes, I lost hope because for me it was the easiest way to make money without putting a lot of efforts lol. Now after seeing this video I regained my interest back to try betreyal again.
Honestly I haven't got whole gist of your video yet, but after watching this again and again I will pull this off after some failed attempts.
Thank you guiding me back to syndicate again ❤️, in a new way.
Actually one of the best guides on the complex Betrayl mechanics, great job
Thanks so much hope it helps ya
Accurate comment.
Getting grav in transport is not that complex
I wish i saw this video before league start. Great 33min SIMPLIFIED video xD. I think i can farm Safehouse next league!
Thanks for this guide!
All this time I've been doing hundreds of Catarina runs, chasing veiled orbs.
This seems like much faster and more consistent way to generate profit.
After many years I guess I finally understood lol. I always run betrayal on league start for unveils and this league I was trying to get grav and was never getting transportation houses, i hope it remains the same next league lol
Thank you for the video, your voice is amazing.
They've said they are in the process of reworking syndicate and that it might be ready next league (talked about it before the league launch). Hopefully they make the overall experience a lot smoother and rewarding.
Hey! after two week, I did it!
now my board looks like yours
they like spiderman webbing other people up
now I feels like I controlled the Syndicate haha😆
thank for the tutorial!
after 3.4 I left POE and several comeback ,I finally know how Syndicate works!
Absolutely brilliant. I think what you could try to show, and I don't want you to mess up your tree, is an initial setup. Some examples, even in paint. That'd help.
This. Because I understand what to do after we get the initiate setup, but I have no idea how to get the initial setup
I've written in the description recently some on the moving and initial relationship to try to help people out
I've added to the video description a bit detailing the process of deranking, moving, and setting up initial relationships to try to help people out. Hope it helps you
@@simplyVizniz Im still completely uncertain on how you make rivalries. Is it just completely random as a bargain option? Also i never get the leader and only find one person encounters in transport all the time even with the scarab, whats happening here?
VERY IMPORTANT:
- You need to spec out of Bribery when you are setting up the rivalrys for Gravicus and the other guy in transport. I have been shooting myself in the foot for 4 hours
yo me too lmao
Can that node make it so that Execute appears more rarely? Because sometimes it feels like I rarely get Execute or maybe I'm just unlucky.
@@ryckett I don’t think so. The execute option rarely shows up for the last two people on your screen bcus they often try to betray each other and the very last guy can never be executed. So, just speak to the ppl with missing stars first.
THIS. THANK YOU.
Just like you said, it's a lot easier to understand once you try it. Very nice guide, thank you.
Nice, I just watched your previous video on this multiple times this week to learn the strat and I've been building my board up and now you drop this 😎
I was looking around to see what others are doing in Betreyal and you have great explanation and showcase :)
got stack of apothecary today from gravicious, thanks mate for the guide!
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Love this strat!!!! thank you so much, is so fun to gamble and i just got a hh and a pack of divine beauty in the SAME try hahah ♥ amazing video!
tested just now in 10 maps, 3.8 divs made with 2 div investment (this investment is for 20 maps). its chill, nice and quick.
so hyped, just used the last of my chaos to do this Atlas, thank you!!
I should probably watch the last 24min of the vid
what ive been doing in the past (3.7) is just executing valuable scarab syndicate to intervention, demoting(interograte wanted syndicate from wrong safehouse), and expel unwanted one. i was raked ton of exalt from blood aqueduct farm only and bought my first HH within 3 days of farming.
Yeah back in the old days I remember doing the 2/2 research/intervention setup and it was pretty popular back then.
I love the video, but I think it's important to highlight WHAT you are farming specifically so people can understand. Not everyone knows what gravicius does (myself included) and why this would be a valid strategy.
If that was included as a quick segment in the intro that would be really cool for next time :)
That's exactly what I'm asking myself too...
Exactly this is making 0 sense I don't know what anyone of these guys gives or why I would want a certain category over the other this is not a Beginner Guide this is a Very Advanced Set Up !!! thanks For trying to help
I have 10k hours in PoE but only this league decided to actually learn Betrayal properly (I always despised the mechanic). This league in SSF with so many farming avenues nerfed to shit, I decided to hunt for cards with Gravicius and your guides are the only truly helpful ones I've found. He has given me a Kaom's Heart and two full sets of Divine Beauty so far, I'm gonna do this at leaguestart next league unless they nerf it again.
This just means, you spent to many hours killing monsters instead of learning the game more...
@@martinusgerbald yeah he spent his hours having fun
@@HelloWorldkz wrong. Everyone agrees on: more knowledge == more fun in poe
Fantastic video!
The only thing I want to mention/warn others is: pretty sure that the phrase Captain and Leader got at least once confused with one another.
Leader always refers to the lead position inside a safehouse. Even one star member can be leader.
Captain is just another name for 3 star.
For sure I added a note to the video description right after I posted it when I noticed but good to get the word out more
Oh didnt even bother to read description^^
Tbf confusing those two happend to me so many times already that I am quite aware of it :D
The official phrase Captain is quite confusing imo.
Thanks again for the sick content you provide regarding one of the most complex mechanics in this game
This was exactly what I needed! Thanks. Gonna look through the rest of your stuff now! =)
I've managed to do the 2-2-5-5 setup, Gravicius as leader of Transportation, Cameria as second, both rank 3, removed Bribery from Atlas, ranked all 5 members of Intervention and Research to 3 but still no trusted or rival relationship options found. Any time I run map with Jun the last person of 5 member faction has options to interrogate, release or as bargain I'm only getting remove member X from syndicate, remove all rivalries, destroy all items but nothing else.
How can I get bargain option to provide any relationship effects like trusted, rivalry or neutral? I've ran around 70 maps with Jun with people in right places without seeing bargain giving relationship change option of any kind.
I'm having the same issue, did you solve it?
For anyone else wondering, you have to make them trusted first, so if you see something like "Cameria and Riker become trusted" take that, then later you'll get a betray option to make them rivals. it's RNG to get them to be trusted, but as others have noted, unspec'ing Bribery on the tree helps
i was gonna make a video about syndicate simplified. As always there’s that one person that just has the edge. Nice video as always✌️👍👍
man you are a freaking legend what the hell
Maybe I missed it, but there was no explanation of the goal of the strat. Would be nice to have in the beginning, like a summary
Keeping Gravicius and Cameria in Transportation ensures that you can get 1-2 stacks of divination cards (full stacks) from Gravicius and a chance at a chase unique like Headhunter (nemesis league) ~ Timeworn Uniques. Gravicius can have some pretty nice full-sets of cards.
@@Wistz90 With the current price of Veiled orbs, I still don't see the point in running this over Catarina rushing.
@@SuperCatacatayou can farm Catarina, if your goal is to farm veiled orbs. You can do this instead, (which is atleast ×10 faster) to get valuable items. I have gotten magebloods, house of Mirrors, headhunters etc.
@@SuperCatacata he did say it's good early league. Not much people crafting, veiled orbs are not that expensive. But you could get a lot of divine cards and other valuable cards at full stack and a chance at expensive uniques.
Works well with a boss rush strat as well as he showcased
Im currently trying this and getting everyone to the correct position was so easy that i thought it wouldn't take much time, 3 hours later cameria and grav have no connections to anyone holy shit
Okay for anyone trying to set this up DO NOT TAKE THE BRIBERY NODE ON ATLAS PASSIVE SKILL TREE it makes so the bargain option is usually about items with veiled mods making it impossible to setup a board in less than 20 hours, after i removed it, cameria connected to everyone in 50 maps
@@ahazu1445do you reallocate that node after setup?
Also sorry for double tap but do you feel like farming transportation is better then farming mastermind for veiled?
@@Shadycrazy depends really its kinda of a big gamble, i got divine beauty and made 7 divs in 20 maps but hey thats my luck and it might not be yours, Yes i reallocate the node after i'm done and currently the veiled orbs are very expensive so its probably more stable for money, on the other hand you can replace cameria, which is a HUGE gamble for HH with Hillock for essence scarabs making way more profitable and stable, if you have any questions feel free to ask, Cheers
This reminds me of that damn labyrinth puzzle to open the gate to the treasure chest..
Good vid, very comprehensive guide.
holy moly ... forget the safehouse guide .. WTF is that build ? ...
My brain told me when you started show casing your run , looks expencive :P
He's got a mageblood and a build that zooms more or less instantly across the map, no way casual players are getting 13 safehouses an hour in betrayal. The guide is good, but he's getting a lot more profit than a typical player can expect from this strategy.
You could play the typical heist league starter and run even faster than I do honestly. You're not wrong that I am going to go faster than others though since I'm used to the talking options but keep in mind that also applies to most things in the game right.
Relic of the pact elementalist
this is what 1k+ hours of syndicate look like type of player, now there is 20+ mechanic including crafting, poe is casino game
@@blahmaster6k Yes, we probably can't do 13/hr, but he started from 0 just like the rest of us. Grind, make currency, and we can get there eventually. I play for about 2 hr a day and can usually get a pretty powerful build together. Not this powerful but still satisfying...
You are a god sir, your plans goes over my head totally. Really dont understand why you would like to do this, i want to farm as much as possible xD I haven
t even understand why not to the boss and let her be. chuckles by myself thinking this is why i never will be rich. :D
the goat returns with an updated video
Would be nice to have a video showing how to setup the board from a fresh run. I'm working hard on getting all my relations untied. Thinking it might just be easier to run Katarina and start fresh.
Thank you sir for explaining!
i am more like Ralf from the Simpsons...i am on fire - standing there and smile....hammer the mouse on what looks nice and hope for the best xD
What about a set up if I just want to spam mastermind over and over? Any tips on that, since it blanks your board every time? Or is it just as straight forward as
Run missions, hope you encounter the leader, 3 star them, then interrogate/ get intel from them
rinse repeat for 4 or 5 maps to get mastermind up?
Yeah you can also run the scarabs and the atlas nodes that give intel to random safe house. You’ll get mastermind very quickly, like within a few maps. This is really good for xp as well.
This honestly is the real simple way to do Betrayal now. The entire thing got gutted, and the board doesn't matter at all anymore. Veiled orb is it, and that drops off the boss. So execute everybody, jail the 3 stars, take intelligence bargains, do safe houses, unlock and kill mastermind. Repeat
As a comment above said, node that gives 10 int every map is huge, I could raid safehouse like every second map
you are insane bro!
very cool stuff thanks for sharing
Appreciate it
This is an awesome guide
Because most syndicate guides are
" You move this member here and he does this and then you raid the house and get the reward" lol
Thanks
I mean moving member between houses is pretty easy
kinda half assed it but got a sephirot on my 2nd grav lol good blueprint for understanding the mechanic thanks
yep im gonna learn about betrayal this time for sure!
Was watching Cutedog explain this on stream but I think I got dumber
Gonna be alot of haters on this vid but I think it is really well done and a great attempt at simplifying a complicated mechanic.
Appreciate the kind words
I built the 2 2 5 5 setup. But i cannot seem to get any connection to my grav or cameria. Do they have to have a connection before i put them in the 2 2 5 5 setup?
You can bring some people over and/or unspec Bribery to help Bargain creating connections
3 days of absolute cbt with setting up a board and undestanding it, just dropped house of mirrors, gg
gz!
Any advice on setting up the board before running the strat? Do you just put Grav + 1 on other divisions first to get the rivalries set up before getting him to transportation?
I set it up this league by getting members into their proper positions first (2/2/5/5) and using the Bargain options given to the last standing member in encounters to build trusted and then rival relationships. Doing it this way allows you to run transportation safehouses while building up the connections.
Today i had a trade offer while i was launching the map, took maybe a minute to get over with the trade, then as soon as i entered the map, an intervention popped instantly, so timer is running already after a while if you dont get inside asap
(I've been farming this for a few days already
Fantastic!
dude, DOPE! Nice work.
appreciated hope you enjoy
A great vid as usual
I know this is a minuscule sample size and this strategy is pure gamble. But if not for the EXP it gives i would feel even more like i'm running in place, hoping for a huge payout. I've done 70ish maps and ironically enough Grav payouts are mostly chaos with maybe something being around a div or two once. Ironically I got a Headhunter from a card when i was setting this whole board up and was very slow. Managed to sell it when it was still around 30 div.
The biggest downside for me is the way filling up the hideout quota works and opening up portals in the map. Learned the hard way that if interact with a remaining member on the map, after opening the portal that empties the hideout. Not sure if just touching them or selecting an option is needed. Also my Transportation on the map was 0 reinforcements Grav or often running 2 encounter map, cause Transportation only filled when you opened the map, while Fort just ran out. So my time till Grav often extended to 3+ maps.
Even better explained than previous Betrayal guide, time to redo my red-crossed betrayal menu and make it tidy like here
It looks so clean now
nice video, I didn't know that about connections
Farmed betrayal 3 leagues in a row now, I just now learned that you could open a hideout mid-map WTF!
Holy shit I had no idea you can open safehouses while in a map
its was like that ever since iirc
great video !! new to that and was very clear and helpfull
For people still confused. This a guide for betrayal, using his particular example/strategy for the betrayal board, as the demonstration. (Full stack rare Div cards)
He breaks down how to set it up, what each option does, and the same principles can now be easily applied to set up a board for any strategy you want. For example Vorici in research/intervention to target harvest/deli scarabs
Betrayal can take some more foresight in knowing what you want to target, They recently nerfed some of the rewards but still. They made yolo farming kat way easier with atlas nodes if you want to not think about it
is this setup better than farming for veiled orb? how often do you get jackpot card sets? im currently trying to farm veiled orbs and made a lot of div so far. i wanna get convinced that this setup is better
So after watching 200 hrs of betrayal videos, using cheat sheets, and doing betrayal for hundreds of hours in game - This mechanic still gives me nosebleeds and uncontrolled tears.
Soon we'll all be free from it when they release the rework surely
Great stuff!
nice now I understand how to do this mechanic
Glad to hear it
18:58 you mindfked me ... did you mean the opposite right? delay is recommended when gravicius is not 3 star yet is what you meant to say??? , and if so what happened when I release him? doesn't he loses all his connections doing that? and next encounter he'll join back to transportation guaranteed am I understanding this correctly? and what rank will he be next encounter will he reset to rank 1? and lastly does it matter which member end up in research, intervention and fortification? all I have to focus is gravicius and camera in transportation then?
beautiful ! subscribed
Still pretty confusing tbh. I had no idea that the other members didn't matter where you put them and only realized hours into trying to get every single member to be like every single member on your board that it wasn't important. Would've appreciated you mentioning that rofl. What sorts of conditions make it so you can remove people from the board? I STILL don't have gravicius after hours, and I don't understand what conditions are needed for the "remove x from board" to occur. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
and this is why we should have "kill things in a circle" leagues every now and then
Just got Cameria and Grav in transport... Now i gotta set up the rivalries
Do remember you need to do trusted options as those allow them to become rivals. Good luck to you!
@@simplyVizniz Ty so much for this guide. I didn't understand it till you broke it down so well I appreciate it!
I have a question.
do i need to rival them before setup the position or i can do that slowly after i setup them on right position?
Thanks for the headhunter ♥
By not having any trusted connections you're missing out on the additional chance for the transportation guys to bring in trusted reinforcements. And if you kill Reasearch/Intervention (I think Transporation as well, but I'm not sure) encounters too quickly they don't spawn in all the reinforcements.
Otherwise cool strategy! It's been a while since I've farmed it seriously myself, but always nice to see a fellow syndicate enjoyer out there. =D
Yes Intervention for sure can take time to spawn the reinforcements
So you are claiming to have more of a clue how betrayal works ? I dont think so.
Do I move Cameria and gravicius around to build trust/rivals first before putting them in transportation?
You can use that method or rely on Bargain options (unallocate Bribery atlas passive)
this cant be better than a catarina rush method, awesome guide tho
Early league it was stronger but yeah as veiled orbs prices continue to soar it is mostly a for fun option more than heavy profit.
Hey, I'm pretty new to poe. It's my 2nd league and I really want to try out the betrayal. is there any good guides on how I can get my board to look like yours? I dont understand how to move members to exactly where I want or how to get a lot of relations between them
Also how long does it take to set up the board like this? Maybe this is a problem solver for me
This is mostly aimed more experienced players but I can try to help you through this.
Moving members can be broken down to using various choices (although primarily Interrogation) to de-rank people down to 0* stars.
You may notice this as members already who don't have a place and are floating around below the safehouses.
If these members show up in an encounter you can talk with them and execute (+ ranks) to place them into the current encounter (research, intervention, fortification, or transportation).
Using this method of de-ranking people to 0 and waiting until they appear in other safehouses you can begin the process of moving people to their proper locations.
Building relationships can be done easily over a period of time by leaving members you want to have relationship last so they gain "Bargain" options that can build trusted (and later rival) relationships. These are independent of the members who show up in the encounter so reading the potential connections here is important.
As for how long it can take to set this up typically experienced players doing single safehouse strategies (as opposed to double) can set it up in 5 or so hours. This time will be increased dramatically as less experienced players will be double checking the choices and reading more.
@@simplyViznizI honestly didn't expect to get such an amazing response. This helps out a ton. Thank you so much!
Was just wanted to ask the same question, great answer! Would you mind putting this in the video description so more can see this?
@@siz0u Great idea
Do you first build rivalry with Cameria/Grav and other members and then stick them in transportation, or you can do 2-2-5-5 first, and then build rivalries? I spent few hours today in final setup without connections, and it was kind poor experience - impossible to rank up the guys i need. Maybe Im bad at betrayal tho, first time taking it seriously.
You can do 2-2-5-5 first and then leave them as the last standing member every time you come across them as you'll get Bargain options that can create links.
Great guide Ty! When can we get the build guide for the relic of the pact build? It looks badass!
Great guide!
Thanks. I hope it helps you out in some way.
great video, dude.
appreciated
Two questions, why not block Research instead of Fortification as Research takes more time to run?
And why do u rival them all instead of making them trusted?
Also can i farm 3 members in transportation, or if i farm both transport and fort can there be 3 members in one of them?
I think thats becouse after you have everything set up. You want to find transport First on your maps. And fortification does not allow to skip it when it shows.
But you Can skip research and you can skip intervention if you dont kill and hurry to find transport
also i just realized that transport and fort Cant spawn togheter in maps, its 50 50 one or the other
Question, i have the board set up to the 2-2-5-5, but i have no betrayel except for one line of grav to janus, if the option to betray only shows up if they are in the same house, should i just do kata and set up betrayel earlier to set up betrayal or jsut play the rng
Trying really hard to beat my A.D.D. and watch a 30 min simplified video
Is this better than rushing board and praying for a veil from catarina?
Fascinating. I've done hundreds of Syndicate encounters, but this video shows that I still don't understand the first thing about it. Why Gravicius and Cameria? Why rivalries and not the green connections?
As in, what goals can one set up for themselves, what can you really get out of Syndicate (outside of the chaos resistance crafts, that was the only thing I ever used it for)? Can you recommend an introduction video please?
Grav rewards full divination card stacks, cameria for league specific uniques (death rush mainly early league)
Connections help bring in additional people into encounters for more executions/interrogations (+ranks, +intelligence) and rivals have better options than trusted due to them not having betray options
I would recommend checking out the rewards available from each member in the various safehouses on poewiki or poedb and seeing what you would be interested in.
@@simplyVizniz Thank you so much! Things are actually starting to make sense... Cheers!
Does pressing "remove all rivalries" prevent any new rivalry to be formed?
>least convoluted Path of Exile content:
Thankfully they're finishing up a rework and betrayal can be a simple rewarding mechanic soon
so when is this strategy most profitable? early league since a lot of uniques have some value? or late league, when the chase items have become very expensive?
Wouldn't running Fortification safehouses with someone like Janus and Hillock also be a good idea, if you have the 2/2/5/5 setup, since the captain will be immediately bumped back into fortification, after you're done with the safehouse, and you basically get free scarabs?
so, rival relationship from Gravicious and secondary transportation member to every regular member (lieutenants not: captains/not boys in circle, box) in another divisions (expect fortification) is better than everyone having rival relationship with everyone, and this is most optimal board for transportation farming while using reinforcements+inteligence scarabs?
So this is a strat for a full set of div card and uniques like headhunter only, right? If I prefer to rush Catarina for a veiled orb, is there any strategy besides rushing every safehouse? I got lucky with 3 star Grav dropping a full set of The Sephirot with a veiled orb from Catarina and want to replicate it but looking at how running Catarina reset the whole board I probably just have to be lucky again.
Im in ssf, I am basically creating connections between everyone everytime the option appears. I understand that if I dont use the scarabs, I can also create connections to leaders right? Also, what is the benefit of running 2 2 5 5 members? And finally, if I have connections between the members that are not in transportation, should I restart my board only creating connections like in the video?
Sorry for all the questions😅
I have the same question
You can and should create connections to the leaders.
The 2s allow for you to interrogate/run the safehouse using the members inside without them bouncing around to another safehouse. It keeps them trapped within so no time is wasted getting them back.
I wouldn't restart the board just move people to their appropriate places (only the reward members matter) and utilize the Bargain mechanic to build proper connections. Feel free to drop the Bribery atlas passive during the time you're building connections
Answered
Let's say I got all the people where I want them, but I'm still missing the rivalries - am I still able to get the rivalries? or do I need to build the rivalry relations before putting all of them where they should be?
Thanks for the guide. The only thing I would mention is how long it can take to make connections. I didn't connect them all just enough. Maybe there's an easier way to make them that I missed?
Maybe you could start the video with an explanation, WHY we should set it up like that. What's the goal/profit here?
so much this, that should be the first thing.
I watched the whole 30 minute video and still have no idea what the purpose of all this effort is
afaik: The objective: Kill as many 3 star gravicious per hour in the transportation safehouse as possible. Why? 3 star gravicious safehouse gives you one full stack of div cards. And if you are lucky, you get e.g. a mirror, mirror shards, a headhunter, mageblood, whatever div card exists. But of course you can't give this strategy a div/hour tag, as it's fully random what div cards you get.
@@Raynhardx ahh makes sense, thanks. he does kat too ? or no ? sorry i didnt have the focus to watch it all ._.
@@tway1198 no Catarina, this strat is to just hunt for full stacked decks and uniques from Grav and Cameria
hey, thanks for the update, I used your strategy last league and got full set of The Doctor from Grav in SSF, super cool! I often have/had an issue of only Gravicius spawning in transportation encounters few times in a row though, despite him being rival with 7 members. is it common and just rng, or do I do something wrong?
It just happens they won't always bring people
hey I have few questions if you dont mind:
1) Does Gravicius needs to be a leader? On your board you have Cameria as captain
2) Who you can recommend for transportation except Cameria/hh lottery?
3) I once opened safehouse on the map, and there were nobody there, door was shut and quest was saying "everybody fleed" how to avoid this?
4) I use use strat as addition to my main one, what the difference between your setup and setup without scarabs?
Thank you!
Leadership for the safehouse rewards have no impact just that the leader will retain their stars after the safehouse which can lead to a quicker follow-up safehouse when Gravicius is leader since you don't have to rank him up again.
Hillock is ok for essence scarabs, Leo for catalysts, vorici early in ssf for 50 fusings. Janus might be ok given the high price of chisels this league but I couldn't say having never used him.
Hillock comes with the benefit of giving the fertile catalyst card often.
You need to be sure there is no possibility of you entering an intervention encounter as the portals open by completely clearing the surrounding area. It can happen that as the portals are opening intervention occurs which will end the safehouse encounter. For safety you can open the portal after the intervention instead of after the first encounter.
Setup without scarabs is just a bit slower due to the nature of having less reinforcements and lower intelligence gain. You make up for some of the delay by being able to connect leaders who have stronger intelligence gains overall and give access to large Bargain intelligence options.
Betrayal is one of the those mechanics that plays very well alongside another mechanic although it is passive point hungry.
@@simplyVizniz you the best