Steamboat Willie will still Copyright You if you do this
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- Steamboat Willie will still Copyright You if you do this
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Technically they shouldn’t even hold the copyright for that tune because it’s not their original tune anyway. It is from a 1911 song called “Steamboat Bill”
yeah but its legal trademark
@@MarvoulousdcGamer I'm sorry... who tf asked for your opinion? Public domain is public domain, so stfu and suck it! ^^
They held the copyright claim over their version of that song, but not after Jan. 1, 2024. I’m guessing it got claimed since TH-cam’s copyright claim systems are automated and they haven’t updated it.
Or money hungry third parties that have no right to claim@@hectormontes7056
And that song was inspired by a song called “The Ballad of Casey Jones” which was written in 1909.
Thats totally illegal lol. It's entered the public domain and Disney still won't get over it 😂
I think it's possible for sound and music falls under a different copyright then film does. What is it... Music is for the lifespan of the musician + 70 years after death?
We have to remember that just because something is in public domain does not really mean 100% of its is in public domain for there is multiple copyrights to one thing.
William Jackson the composer died in 1988 so his protection will expire in 2058
I read a few other comments saying the song is still copyrighted
I didn’t check myself tho
@@somebodykares1 This only applies to works published after January 1st 1978. Any creative work registered with the united states copyright office in 1928 or before is in the public domain. It does not matter if it is images, music, books, paintings, movies, etc.
The character is public domain now, not the song
@@theunicyclist3440No, the short film is in the public domain which includes the animation, characters and audio
He still used the same whistling tune? He didn't change it, so it TOTALLY wasn't him whistling it. Sounds the same, 10/10 would listen to again.
disney wishes this was in the beginning of all it's movies
Ive still see people use Mickey in a copyright way..
You can't give him red shorts.
You can't use the squeaky voice
This is going to be a repeat of Sherlock Holmes. When he entered the public domain, but some stories remained copyrighted, the owners of the remaining copyrights tried everything to sue people. They said you couldn't portray Sherlock as having emotions, since he became more emotional in later stories. Disney is going to do the same. (All original Sherlock Holmes stories are now public domain.)
@@waitithoughtihadtousemyrea5976 disney's about to be crying over the fact that their mascot for the past 100 years will enter colour soon, and then the modern voice will be here,
I would imagine the strike was probably automated. It would take a while for the system to be updated to not pick up Steamboat Willie as copyrighted music.
If it happens again though, or they refuse your counterclaim stating it is public domain, then it is copyright abuse.
It happened to me, lol
not probably, definitely. most strikes are automated.
It's a trademark thing, disney has the first few moments of that animation trademarked, and that trademark won't be expiring.
If you look on screen at 0:24 you will see disney strikes it so no
Well just realized I was wrong sorry you were rigth
TH-cam's system of copyright claiming is completely broken.
A few years ago me and a friend of mine got permission to use a song by a local band for our videos. When we tried uploading videos with the song included we were struck by automated claims on the band's behalf. Speaking to the band they assured us they had nothing to do with it and wanted us to use the song for our videos. They even tried contacting TH-cam about our permission to monetize the song but received an automated response that didn't resolve shit. We ended up never using the song on TH-cam but I'm still pissed we couldn't use a song we had explicit permission to use and monetize through our videos. Now that's a properly broken system made to benefit large copyright holders while screwing small creators.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. This is why I just use covers of songs that are available. You don't have to worry about any copyright claims this way.
It seems that TH-cam havent updated its content ID system. Some people uploaded the full Steamboat Willie clip, but their is no copyright attached to it in terms of music.
I do think its possible that TH-cam hasnt really considered what to do when a video in the content ID system's copyright *expires.* the content ID system is a separate system from the US copyright system, so it can still treat something as being copyrighted even if its uncopyrightable.
@@septiquaddoubleyou4019 Music is also under a completely different copyright system, it lasts for 70 years after the producer's death.
@@somebodykares1 according to the other guy your wrong
@@somebodykares1 That's only for music published after January 1st 1978
I uploaded the vid to see what happens and I still got copyrighted
It certainly SHOULD be completely public domain... since the music is a part of the short, it should be public domain too. Might just need to wait a few days for everything to get sorted out.
It is public domain. Disney is just throwing a hissy fit
It was probably an automated system that did this, not Disney.
It’s not Disney has copyright on the music and the characters as design marks do not use them outside steamboat willie or any parody or fair use do not commercialize
@@ironhell813The copyright on the music and characters expired when the copyright on the video expired. Mickey and Minnie Mouse are now in the public domain and you can do whatever you want with them. If someone was so inclined they could animate a video of Mickey shitting his balls out his ass while saying "I'm Mickey Mouse and boy howdy did Walt hate the Jews" and the Disney company couldn't do anything legally, especially if it's the version of Mickey shown in Steamboat Willy
@@ironhell813Disney does not have copyright on the music. It is public domain too. It was just an automatic system and if he appealed it he would be accepted if a real human even checks and not just a computer.
It's important to note that a lot of these claims popping up aren't actually from Disney. I uploaded a selection of public domain cartoons to my channel, privately, and received a copyright claim on Gallopin' Gaucho and Steamboat Willie from "UMG on behalf of Disney Records. "
So they're likely automated claims put in place years ago
Yes it is. Companies submit their request and youtube automatically flag your video and act according to their will.
Even if they are not right it dosen't matter unless you fight a civil court against them. Witch you loose even if you win, bc it is fucking expensive
@@katokianimation It's the automated system that detected a certain video, not a person behind the desk taking action from Disney.
@@ElectroBlastLuigi What does it matter whether it's automated or "a person behind a desk"? In fact, most everything at TH-cam related to claims and strikes is automated. The automated systems are directed by people behind desks acting "on behalf of Disney Records". So Disney and/or its agents need to update their auto-claim directives because the song and the video are in public domain now.
@@katokianimation which is backwards from how it is supposed to be.
the transition from the fnaf music to driftveil city to megalovania was wild
its toreador march
@@Killerwhale760 i know the name of it but most people know it as fnaf song so i just called it that
The cartoon and assets like the whistle are still in the content ID system.
Just dispute it and wait 30 days. Disney legally can't keep it claimed.
They definitely shouldn't do that
Ruins the whole "free domain" thing
The whistling part is trademarked to Disney’s animation studio.
lets su disney for that
It probably takes them a bit too update the copyright detection system
@@eric988 You cannot use copyright rules to enforce trademarks. It's a completely different system.
The whistled song transition at the end was arguably the best part of the whole video
It is not surprising to me at all they're still copyright-claiming it, I totally expected it. With how broken the copyright claim system is and how litigious Disney is, did anyone really think a little thing like being legally in the wrong would stop them?
Well we need to separate between illegal and wrong.
Yeah, Disney has been using the whistling tune in their movies as a way to keep up the brand association, so best not to use that opening bit.
You can still use that as long as it's not used to pretend your Disney.
It's unconstitutional to use trademarks in ways that copyright covers. Trademark is only used for identification of the source of production.
@@dibbidydoo4318 it's ILLEGAL. not unconstitutional. ILLEGAL. The government follows the constitution. Corporations and people are meant to follow the law.
@@cewla3348 I meant a judge ruling that the trademark is enforceable in that way would be unconstitutional and the court is the government.
@@cewla33481. The music ain't even copyrighted, disney just uses it
2. I read all of the wof graphic novels
3. I'm bored bye
THIS. IVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THIS but with the graphic since the wheel is used in movies so thats copyrighted
That’s strange since someone posted the whole video with the original audio and it’s just fine.
it'll get copyright struke but stay up with ads
Weird how reuploading the entire short is fine, but the one part where he whistles is off limits.
Music and Songs fall under a different copyright law, which is normally bond to the composer. William Jackson died in 1988 so his protection will expire in 2058. For Music is for Life +70
@@somebodykares1no according to others it applied after like 1970
@@somebodykares1so the 1920 smthn flim music should be usable
Did you know Walt Disney Animation Studios Logo is The exact clip of Steamboat Willie Whistling and driving the boat for 15 seconds I don't know if that's protected or not as a trademark
@@dexter10051 it would be trademarked because it's a logo, so dont use the clip as a logo ig
The whistling falls into trademark protection because it's used at the beginning of the Disney Animation Studios logo.
Second they started using steamboat willie as the opening logo I knew it was a hail mary attempt to keep him from entering the public domain
For real
It isn’t, the tune and the version in the short are public domain. Trademark would only apply if the creator is trying to deceive consumers into thinking Disney made it. This is just TH-cam’s copyright system not being updated.
Even if that's true that's abuse of a COPYRIGHT claim as its trademark infringement not copyright
That just means you can't use it as a trademark. You can still use it, as it's public domain. This is probably just TH-cam's systems not being updated.
That last bit took me.
All it takes are 9 notes
I MUST listen to the driftveil city theme now.
It seems like it's more something to do with TH-cam's content ID system not having the Steamboat Willy soundtrack cleared out of it than an actual copyright infringement
The same thing happened to me, it claimed I was using the version of the song from the game Toontown
Even ignoring the public domain, I feel like this should still be considered transformative
No, it definitely isn't copyrighted. Hell the song itself didn't even originate from Steamboat Willie and was already fully public domain a few years before this. Not even his color scheme and gloves are protected anymore, just the more "modern" 1939 design until around 2034 and anything else after it. (And other characters until the shorts they were introduced in have copyright expired as well) I think it's just a result of either Disney or TH-cam being stupid... or both. In any case you should definitely fight for your rights to get it monetized again, even if TH-cam won't do shit about it as always. Lol
If you're a popular channel, TH-cam will get erroneous copyright claims sorted.
I thought that might happen when I saw your video - we've been fighting copyright claims forever!
Can’t even escape from Disney in peace.
Same thing happened to me. My steamboat Willie video also got copyright claimed.
Disney finding every possible way to copyrighted people.
I freaked out when you started singing.
I recognised the beginning of that tune anywhere.
same thing happened to me, it was blocked in some countries.
I tried to upload it on a different channel with the whistling muted and other edits made, and it still wants to block it in several countries and make me take down the whole thing, so how this whole thing works is beyond me.
@@goldenninja9053my theory is that TH-cam’s copyright system basically works about as fast as internet explorer, especially in regards to a situation like this
it was automatically claimed because big companies don't bother following laws, and youtube is completely unprepared to update any automatic thing
Oh yeah, 1928 Mickey whistling an Undertale song, perfection
0:38 the toreador march (fnaf)
0:42 driftveil city
0:49 megalovania
yep its driftveil city
Now someone have to make this on SilvaGunner, in this sequence to reference this video
Last bit is my favorite of 2024
It's youtube's system that hasn't been updated yet to the changes in content that is now in the public domain.
Ah ah AH! I HEARD THAT! You can't fool me...
Har, har, har har, har, har har har har haaarrrrrr...
0:38 💀
We all need an extended version of the Driftveil City whistle
Brock Baker got copyright claimed, and he simply said something to youtube about it and Disney quickly withdrew their claim.
Soooo....replace the whistle with fart noises. Got it. ☁
It’s an automated response. I got one too when I took the cartoon, flipped it left to right and reposted it.
They cant do that the whole cartoon is in the public domain
It was probably just TH-cam's automatic bot system. Its still very much not up to date.
I thought that it will hapoen, copyright systems have no provisions for the copyrights actually expiring
The beginning of that whistle reminded me of something…
This is obviously a dirty trick by Disney or TH-cam! Someone ought to file a counterclaim and sue the pants off those who are making the false copyright claims!
In fact, I will do that, as soon as I figure out how I am going to enhance the video to put on my new channel! Hopefully I make 10 million bucks off their lying a$$es!!!!!
All the characters outside the shorts are illegal to use outside parody or fair use DO NOT MAKE DERIVATIVES OF THE CHARACTERS
There's a lot of fake groups that send false claims for music. They are a fake Warner Bros, a fake Sony, a fake Sega, a fake Nintendo, and probably a fake Nextone among others. These trollers are known to cause trouble.
Usually, it's "Warner Music Group" or "Sony Broadcasting Org" but "Nextone Inc" is a real annoying one.
Copyright and Patent law in this day and age need a total reworking. Both really hold progress back all in the name of profit. I'm surprised corporations haven't fudged a way for them to pay for indefinite patents and copyrights.
“Turkey in the straw”, aka the song whistled, has been in the public domain for a LONG time, many people claimed to have made it and a piano cover of it is totally legal. What isn’t legal is a copy write strike for using it. They can be sued for claiming its theirs because it is newly generated content using something in the public domain. And even if it wasn’t in the public domain, they would need to prove they made it, which they didnt.
They may have made the whistling cover, and where they have made a piano cover, they can not claim the song itself as theirs.
William Jackson the composer died in 1988 so his protection will expire in 2058, due to Music being protected for Composer's life +70 years.
According to others you are wrong as it applies to music after 1970
that only applies to music after 1970
TH-cam music copyright claim system is an absolute joke. People have their own music that THEY MADE copyright claimed. Bitch lasagna comes to mind as an infamous example. So this isn't on Disney, this is on TH-cam
It’s either automatic or could be worth noting that copyright laws may vary in other countries. In the US it’s free game but in others may still have that copyright.
US company, so US laws apply afaik
If everything in that short including the name and songs isnt public domain whats the point?
They legally have no right to do that. It was not their original song nor do they own it anymore
Dispute the claim. TH-cam might not have updated it.
No its updated the music is still within copyright for it falls under Music Copyright which is a different system from Animation Copyright, ones a sound and the other is visual.
@@somebodykares1that's for after 1970.
its in the public domain not the private domain
now its time to make a FNAF game themed on this Mickey Mouse because of the whistle edit
Five Nights at Treasure Island exists. It's pretty good and sufficiently scary. They even made a sequel.
I hope we live long enough to have Five Nights at Treasure Planet.
The reason could be because of Disney Animation Studio using the whistle as a intro for their movies so maybe using the whistle by itself infringes on that copyright.
That's trademark, not copyright
@@OhhCrapGuy do trademarks include whistling/sound?
Yeah they did me dirty when i was using it as satirical dig in my recent video. But ill guess i can see if i can remove that bit for now till youtube fix their crap.
You can’t say Mickey Mouse he’ll haunt your channel if you do
William the Rodentia
As an experiment, I uploaded a copy of Steamboat Willie to my TH-cam page yesterday (1/3/2024) and it was instantly flagged for copyright violation by Disney. I suspect that they have an AI that searches for Disney content and they're just too busy to tell it to ignore Steamboat Willie after 1/1/2024. Because that would take all of two minutes.
So the reason for this is probably the music modernization act. Tldr song recordings published prior to 1973 have a 100+ year copyright. Therefore, although the film is public domain the song recording is copyrighted for another 5 years. Recording your own cover of the song is perfectly legal though.
Other people also got copyright claimed by Disney for the music, but have since had the claim lifted. I wouldn't be surprised if yours gets lifted as well.
I just got recommended the whistle video lol
Counter the claim. Don't blame yourself for the faults that are not yours.
I posted the video as a short with different audio and it got a copyright claim and “limited viewing” or something like that.
Bruh, Disney doesn’t even own the song in the first place
A piano youtuber I used to watch got moonlight sonata copyright striked. The TH-cam system sucks.
Welp, Oh well! I was close to finishing my Steamboat Willie remix right now but I guess that won't be earning me much. Which is fine because I had fun doing it regardless. We probably have to wait until TH-cam's dumb copyright system to take effect Lol
(Atleast I hope.. Because other than that, Disney's really trying their hardest right now)
The song itself isn't copyrighted, but it could be due to the music modernization act. Covers of songs are protected for 100+ years after the recording.
@@borandolph1267 Interesting. But thankfully I didn't get copyright claimed when I posted it. (I was sure I was gonna get smacked with one Lol)
8:24 Tuesday January 2nd
Try disputing the claim. Maybe since it's in the public domain, your dispute should hopefully be accepted.
There’s so much weird misinformation in this comment section. Any work created between 1923 and 1977 will be protected under copyright for 95 years, after that they become public domain. Anything released after January 1st, 1978 will become public domain 70 years after the author’s death. Trademark only applies to a public domain works if the author is trying deceive consumers into thinking another company or person made it. Everything about this person’s original video is legal, it’s just TH-cam’s content ID system not being up to date.
Can’t escape from Disney
Every time I use Public Domain performances of classical or other old music, it gets flagged for some random recording of it. It's infuriating, and delays video releases for 1 month while I appeal.
I believe Public Domain applies to US only. Amosdoll is in Austrailia.
everything from that video including the music is a public domain. probably a glitch in the system
"Wait, that's illegal!"
And the problem is, if you do appeal the system will most likely backfire and terminate your whole channel.
That first part sounded like the Fnaf music 0:39
I knew Disney wouldn't really let this slide.
GOD LORD, now o require that whistle part entirely, all of them
0:39 *WAS THAT THE BITE OF 28*
Eh its probably just youtube copyright system being shit as always
0:39
FREDDY FAZBE-
0:38 was hur hur hur hur aka freedy fazbear meme
0:38 FREDRICK FAZZINGTON FAZBEAR!? WAS THAT THE NIBBLE OF 1928!?
I'm not surprised by this. TH-cam's copyright system is so bad that I just use people's covers of songs whenever I find them. Maybe TH-cam is readjusting the automated system. Give it some time and we'll see if things change but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I got copyrighted aswell
not only that mickeys whistle is from the song steamboat bill from 1910. so unless they are saying whistling a public domain song,
to which also would be from a now public domain cartoon. is copyright infingement. they are illegally inforcing nonsense
Not only that, Disney used the whistling scene for one of their newer logos, probably to fuck everyone over should the cartoon even try to get into the public domain.
Before it was in public domain, you'll get copyrighted so harshly if you use that clip on youtube?!
You know the entire thing enters public domain, right? Including the audio.
Whaaaaaat? That's ridiculous!
This clip is in one of the Disney intros
Same Here! My steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse video got a copyright claim with the music too. 😢 At least it’s not a strike.
Does anyone know the song at 0:43 ? I've been looking for it for a long time, heard it everywhere but never found the name
The music is still in their hands
This is just scammers trying to make a quick cash grab while people are excited about legally reposting an ancient cartoon.
Is that your TH-cam channel at 0:01?
I tried to upload it twice now and its states copyright!!
Either the bots haven’t been updated yet or Disney just won’t give it up
did i heared the fnaf theme and megalovania at the last part?💀💀💀💀☠️
y u forgot about driftveil city 😭
They're a skibidy toilet kid, they probably don't know what driftveil city is@@whateveridcanyways
name of the songs he whistled pls