Is it MOZART or POKÉMON? Composers Take Quiz
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- Can you tell the difference between a melody by Mozart and one from a Pokémon game?
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Fun Fact: During an interview with Mozart, he admitted that during his childhood, he played a lot of Pokemon, so a lot of his music were inspired by Pokemon. That's why they're so similar.
did he say which one was his favourite?
@@infiltrate6807 Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red and Blue rescue team
Mozart would have called it quits after gen 2
Mozart went deaf from listening to "Pokemon Platinum | Cynthia's Theme (10 hours)" on repeat.
fun fact: beethoven influenced the black 2 and white 2 remakes
“Who’s that Pokemon?”
…pikachu?
“IT’S MOZART!!!”
*FUUUUU-*
"thaat was Mozart" said Salieri.
Oh wait no that was Pikachu
Seen from above
Hahaha! But some pun on Wolfgang would unironically be an excellent name for a new Pokémon. It could evolve into a pun on Amadeus and then on Mozart.
@@Mariposa-11-2007 hell no
we don't need another uri geller situation
this was fun bc its really boiled down for me to "its pokemon bc i recognize it"
same here except the one from the pikachu park thingy
SAME
EXACTLY
@BLACKFLAME4941 the pokepark games are some of the best games gamefreak has ever made. I loved those things as a kid.
Exactly, every gen 1 song nailed. And then, if you hear a trill step up it's 90% sure pokemon, because the music from those games loves trills
People obviously are more familiar with “Pokemon” than the composer’s name but I think he should get more credit: Junichi Masuda 👍🏆
Just one of, more than just him
@@BigPumpie-tf7tq my point stands, at least credit one of them or more as a fellow musician lol
To think he originally made these on a dinosaur which forced him to get creative, genius
If you're putting it in quotes it should be "Pokémon"
@@Kimberedkey such an unnecessary comment.
Mozart must have played a lot of Pokémon growing up!
so cool to see how a simple game can influence huge musicians like him
So inspiring
Wrong, he's the one who made Pokemon
Mozart was ahead of his time and probably inspired GameFreak
@@Just-J2 I said Mozart made Pokemon
Next up: is it a jazz standard or a sinnoh theme?
Answer is: yes
Is it a Random Trumpet Noise or From a GBA Game?
Sinnoh music is boring
@@internetguy7319 n o
@@internetguy7319 you couldn't be more wrong
As a classical musician who grew up playing ridiculous amounts of Pokémon I feel like I was born for this
as someone with pokemon music burned into my memory, it was just trial & error lmao
as someone who plays classical music and Pokemon, it is a huge w
As a virgin loser i feel like this video was made specifically for me
As a massive Pokemon fan who knows nothing about music theory and very little about classical music at all, I got a perfect score
Relatable my guy
I think the biggest difference is that Pokemon music is generally crafted to be listened to on repeat in quick succession. If you're on a route or in a battle or on a bike, you hear the same music on repeat. Mozart wasn't specifically planning for his audience to listen to the music multiple times immediately after having just heard it, so it isn't built to be repeated.
Exactly my strategy in guessing them
How can you tell it’s mean to be repeated
He can't, and being "built to be repeated" is meaningless, any 4 bar melody could be "repeated"
@@Marionettetc there was one where I reconised the loop point at the end which is what gave away to me that it was pokemon
Fun fact:
ArticUNO
ZapDOS
MolTRES
And if we invert the order and dont count the last 4 letters, that forms MOZART
So interesting to see you guys talk all music theory, when my reasoning is always "I don't remember hearing this in pokémon so it has to be Mozart"
Exactly
Videos like this really make me question how we approach academia. You can spend years studying the art of music, to try to articulate how Mozart must have definitely composed this song made by a contemporary Japanese person to evoke the feeling of riding a bicycle in a children’s game.
@@maximilian6829I mean that’s a very stupid take ngl
@@scarletempress2652
Okay, why?
That's my reasoning too. I don't typically play Pokemon games with the sound on these days though.
I love that they determined it from all this fancy music theory and were all “ah yes but this one doesn’t have the third minor florbledip so it must be Pokémon.” And I’m like “DATS THE BIKE SONG.”
third minor florbledip is a pretty big giveaway you gotta admit
Third minor florbledip hits different…
"snaps fingers and points at the screen" "DATS THE BIKE SONG."
"Third minor florbledip" sounds like one of Justin Roiland's improv'd lines for an Interdimensional Cable ep of Rick and Morty
saaaame. Im so smart. pokemon songs be imprinted on my brain
This is making me want to hear Mozart music done in 8-bit game boy sounds to see if I can imagine the compositions in a Pokemon game
That's pretty much what you already do. The music in gen 1 was very much inspired by classical music
@@aurelia8028That's actually true.
@@aurelia8028but it's not Mozart :p
oh, dude, look up classical entertainment system. the guy does all that and more. he takes requests, too.
The bike theme i heard it and immediately imagined riding my bike up and down so its ingrained
Watched a compilation of Mozart's progression from like aged 4 till 40ish and it was clear that a LOT of video game music is influenced by him. Being in the public domain helps a lot with it too.
How so?
Junichi Masuda clearly mentioned many classical artists, like Bach, shoshtakovich (spelling) inspired him.
It is actually because of the music limitations of generation 1 consoles, He had to study classical music for inspiration for meeting hardware requirements and it actually worked.
route 1 theme in Kanto borrows pretty heavily from Bach's sheep may safely graze
yes it generally goes from 5 to 35 years old, he died at the latter age.
@@haaendaaz3619bro some of the Mozart sounds like it COULD be Pokémon
Me, brute-forcing my way through this with 20+ years of Pokemon music burned into my skull: Wow, I'm really good at understanding Mozart's musical signatures.
Got me like “Am I an expert on music theory? *maybe*!”
Yep. The PMD one I recognized instantly through "ah yes, I heard this in the Treasure Town PMD explorers cutscene"
to me i played so much zelda i can tell nintendo music
I haven't played half of the pokemon games they have shown and don't listen to classical music. Yet somehow I got a 9 out of 9 despite them sounding very similar. I can't explain how, I just could tell whether it "felt like pokemon" to me or not (not counting the obvious themes from the first gen). I don't know if I just got lucky on the ones I didn't know, but this was a really weird experience.
@@bouboulroz first few generations of pokemon had to have the music all fit on Gameboys so I think anyone who played OG sorta just has pokemon ears now if that makes sense lol. Like GB's were 8bit so gen 1-3 music is quite limited in the different sounds they could use, so more recognizable patterns can be established in repeated players.
Okay, this is a pretty genius idea.
Oh hey cool to see you here
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My second favorite poketuber
You should do this with another poketuber but try to guess what game the song is from or the name of the song.
Oh you here? Love your vids and greetings from germany
The funniest fact about this is that you can play it even if you have no idea about one of the two things, because it is then just “Mozart or not” or “Pokémon or not”!
Yeah that’s how 50/50 works
@@xshxrcry more
@@joedavid4545and you still probably got 50/50 wrong
Pro tip for distinguishing Mozart and Pokémon themes: try to find the one that can be played on loop in perpetuity that one is the Pokémon theme. Although Mozart music is usually centered around a theme, seldom is that theme the thing on repeat, usually it’s restated in context with other contour, harmonies, etc.
But they only have little snippets to work with.
@@ggdk2865 In most of the examples you could (usually) tell if it was meant to be looped depending on if the last chord was unresolved and the first one was resolved. Pokemon music does it like that (or the other way around) because that way the jump between the beginning and end of the track doesn't feel jarring.
@@miroaja1951it’s still a snippet
What was your score?
@@neyok3198 yep, but thats exactly why this works so well, pokemon music is usually composed around a few parts that loop by themselves or together, which most non pokemon/game music doesn't do
It goes to show that Junichi Masuda actually was trained classically at a young age!
Similarly, if they do this again, they could put in some of Tsukasa Tawada’s work.
Somebody like that is naturally talented, not trained like you people wish you could
@@tiff1913 How pretentious. Even if someone has an affinity towards a skill, they'll still have to train and put in the work to be great/stay on top of things.
@@thrownaway6020 don't worry about them, they're just lazy and making excuses
@@tiff1913 All I can read here is someone making excuses because probably they're unable to do anything well
As a Pokemon fan I went 8/8 based purely on "does that feel like a Pokemon song?" 😂
Exactly 😂
Same!!!
I wouldn’t know Mozart if it bit me in the ass. So if I didn’t recognize it, it probably wasn’t Pokémon :P
Exactlyy
Same
The original Cinnabar Island music is quite cheery. The reason the one in the vid is slower is because in the Red/Green/Blue/Yellow games, Cinnabar Island was a thriving touristy community with a Pokémon Gym. But between Red/Green/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal, the settlement was destroyed by the island's volcano and the Cinnabar Gym Leader Blaine had to move his Gym to the nearby Seafoam Islands. The slower music in HeartGold and SoulSilver for Cinnabar Island reflects what happened to it. The only building present on the island is the Pokémon Center.
I love how cheery Pokémon music tends to be, it motivates you as you continue on your journey. So this Mozart vs Pokémon game was easy for me.
And then there's Gen 1 and FR/LG's lavender town theme
because you already know Pokémon songs duh
Fun fact:
ArticUNO
ZapDOS
MolTRES
And if we invert the order and dont count the last 4 letters, that forms MOZART
Pls pin me
@@PudimRebaixadocongrats, you figured out anagrams
@@PudimRebaixado "And if we invert the order and dont count the last 4 letters, that forms MOZART"
No, that forms MolZaArti. If you don't count the last FIVE letters, you get MoZArt, also known as one of the really common fan names for the fused Legendary Bird we see in the Pokemon Adventures manga. Also 1. don't beg for pins. It's cringey and self-important. 2. Pretty sure you can't pin a reply to a comment.
A big tip of the hat to Junichi Masuda, the primary composer for the Pokemon franchise. I suspect he's a big Mozart fan given how similar the melody and song structures are when stripped down to their basic elements.
He was mostly just on battle theme duty after GSC. Go Ichinose, Hitomi Sato, Shota Kageyama and Minako Adachi all made most Pokemon music starting from RSE.
For each one, they have a deep, technical discussion, that I can barely understand, to determine the composer. Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here, yelling "EASY, that's the Bicycle Theme from Red, Blue, and Yellow!"
You are not alone my friend
That's kind of why I don't believe them. If they really are composers, shouldn't they know all of Mozart's pieces already?
@@inakiaraquistain5731 No? Of course not. Mozart wrote over 600 pieces according to a Google search, typically way longer than your average piece in a video game.
And it's not like Mozart is the only composer of classical music to have existed. Why would you assume they can recognise every Mozart piece based on a few seconds of music?
@@inakiaraquistain5731 when studying old compositions it wouldn’t make sense to listen to 1 a hundred times and then move on to another since there are SO many compositions and composers. But in Pokémon the only music you listen to is what’s on each route so a typical Pokémon player will here that tune every time they pass that area making it a lot easier to subconsciously memorize
It does feel odd as a layman to recognize Mozart immediately when they are debating it and so unsure. I get they have a lot of music in those brains, but I feel like Mozart has quite a few pieces that are just widely recognizable anyway? I knew most of them from nostalgia, having heard them as a child and/or in movies. It's just interesting.
The biggest thing that sticks out to me about a pokemon song is that they seem to set up a resolution at the end of the sentence for looping the track, whereas Mozart doesn't. So when the end of the 2nd measure comes around and my brain expects it to start over, instead of continuing whatever progression, that's my biggest tell
Well put
i noticed this since the intro; as soon as it reached the “end” i knew it was made to loop and was a pokemon theme
Definitely, mozart stuff feels like it's going to develop more imo
Agreed.
For me it's also obvious to me that Pokémon adds more notes, sometimes quickens the pace and what sticks out to me is that Pokémon sounds more modern and not quick but it feels like it's more like it's summarizing itself before I've heard the real, story?
That's what I've gathered. I've taken Choir for all my years of Middle School, one year was Band and Choir. And so far for two years of High School I've been in Choir.
I'm not at all a musical scholar or whatever but a huge goal in life is to be one lol.
Edit:
I know no one needed to know that extra stuff but I just wanted to say that, not to just tell the world that I'm in Choir or whatever but to just say that I at least have a reason to explain this much about this music? I dunno.
The loops aren't that short so it's just a coincidence if they seem to loop
A lot of these were originally constructed with 8bit and 16bit sound’s making this all the more impressive
Hey, Nobuo Uematsu's been touring the world for 15 years with a full orchestra playing the music he wrote for Final Fantasy back in 1987.
@@cyanimation1605Uematsu is the greatest living composer
There are a lot of things to take into account when evaluating a composer's work and that is indeed one of them.
They were all limited in one way or another.
the gameboy is 4 bit.
@@GameyRaccoon It very clearly is indicated as being 8-bit, the CPU is a modified Sharp z80. It's sound chip has 4 sound channels: 2 square waves, 1 programmable wave and 1 noise generator.
#5 was incredibly different. It didn’t feel classical, it felt like you were entering the climax of a Pokémon journey. Yet I couldn’t help but pick Mozart.
Same, I had played the game and yet it completely threw me off
just felt like something Mozart would do
#5 really wasn't arranged correctly. The original mozart had a B natural in the viola part and implied the harmony for the full 2nd measure is a G7, but the arrangement incorrectly assigned a Bb, completely changing the chord, harmonic sequence, etc, and it being a typo Bb was the entire basis for why one them even guessed Pokemon instead of Mozart
the tune at the start made me feel like it was pokemon; plus it felt like it could be played on loop so it just had to be
Originally I thought it had to be a Victory Road theme. But I switched my guess because I couldnt recall any Pokemon theme like it.
Love this challenge. Dragon Quest vs a classical composer would be very interesting too. The Dragon Quest soundtrack is known for being very classically inspired.
Good call maybe we'll do a Dragon Quest sequel!
@@RyanLeach Oh, please do!
@@RyanLeach please do!!!
@@RyanLeach YES PUHLEASE
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night would also be a great pick for this very reason as well.
This illustrates how ALL aspects of music are important. We elevate the composer, but the way it is played, the instruments used, the production, the medium, the cultural connotations, even the environment in which we are listening affect how music is perceived.
also the counterpoint and technique - a melody can be super simple and intuitive but Mozart has a way of weaving counterpoint that makes it sound richer. But the SS Anne theme also has that tenor line that sounds so good.
EDIT: FIGURED BASS TOO
For me, the genius of Junichi Masuda is being able to create all these songs only with 8-bits.
And importantly, this is true of all art
If anything, this is showing the OPPOSITE. It's pretentious to think that Mozart's music is better than Pokémon's, a music professor couldn't even tell the difference. The "way it is played, the instruments used, the production, the medium, the cultural connotations, even the environment in which we are listening" do not matter. There's a reason people love Pokémon games music so much, it's because it's good music.
@@yuzan3607 I think you completely misunderstood my comment. That's what I'm saying. Those things are SUPER important to the way music is PERCEIVED. I didn't make any claims about which was better. However, the subtext of my comment implies neither.
One consistent thing about Pokemon games has been the music, no matter how bad the games are or mediocre they are they just deliver with the music
I prefer the battle music over the pale impressions of Western classical/dance music.
hoenn music with the trumpet abuse is so fire
The music has actually been getting consistently better each gen
@@Greggortolimitations of the GBA
that's true
The Cinnabar Island theme has some interesting stuff going on that this quick game unfortunately couldn't accomodate. If you'll indulge me:
The simplified sheet music rendition is more similar to the theme in the original Pokémon Red and Blue versions, which is upbeat and uptempo. In the sequels Gold and Silver, the slower, melancholic rendition shown in the video plays. The reason for this change? In the time between when Red/Blue and Gold/Silver take place, the volcano atop the island erupted, destroying the small town that fans were returning to. That slow and quiet performance is a reflection of the player's sadness as they revisit a burned-down town from memories past.
I loved this video idea! I got all of them right, and tbh, I basically know nothing about Mozart, but I know everything about Pokémon hahah. So it was as simple as: "Oh, this one IS from Pokémon" or "Never heard this one in any Pokémon game before, therefore, it's Mozart" hahaha. I would love to see more videos like this!
Same here. Except I listen to Mozart regularly and this video made me realize that they have a lot of similarities. Interesting how some ornaments can make them sound different at first listen
Same lol
@@alexmunoz9529 Yes, they really do! I love how Nintendo's 2 biggest composers come from 2 totally different "schools" of composition, with Koji Kondo basically being a Jazz composer and Junichi Masuda being a Classical composer. Also, goes to show how important orchestration is! Once the other instruments kicked in, it was clear to them which was Mozart and which was Pokémon. Amazing concept for a video.
@@alexmunoz9529 Kinda makes you want to hear someone arrange Pokemon themes in the style of Mozart.
@@Picksqueal th-cam.com/video/1oGh_L-5AF/w-d-xo.html
18:40 who ever made this quiz is so smart cuz the harmonic rhythm in this is definitely supposed to remind you of the iconic poke center theme
Absol-utely. I for sure thought that was what it was.
This was the only Mozart one that I actually knew as a piece of music from outside of this video, so it was an easy one for me. I heard it, and went ‘It’s definitely Mozart, I’ve heard it before.’
Oh now I know why this one got me the most! I was very sure it would be from Pokemon, while for the others i guessed correctly
Yeah, i thought it was the pokécenter theme
i'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed! it really is almost the same melody, the Pokemon Center version is just slightly simplified from the Mozart one, and has gone on to have several variations. it feels to me as if Junichi Masuda heard the Mozart piece and wanted (and succeeded!) in giving it new life. it may not be in the form of the original composition, but it means so many things (childhood, nostalgia, simplicity, the 90's, chiptune, safe space, etc) to a lot of people now, and that's worth something, isn't it?
Why Pokémon game soundtrack sounds so similar to Mozart music scores is because the Pokémon composer, Junichi Masuda was inspired by a lot of movie and classical scores.
This was interesting especially since I’m a composer who likes Pokémon. A lot of the game’s soundtrack was inspired by classical music which makes sense and I think it’s pretty cool
For the Cinnabar Island theme, there’s a much “happier” version than the one you played. Between the two games where this place exists, the island’s volcano erupts and the town is abandoned, you heard the post-eruption music.
Wait really? Would you mind explaining the story behind that a little more?
@@Alex_Eh thats pretty much as far as it goes. in pokemon red/blue, cinnabar island is happy and cheerful. in the games sequels, gold/silver, they are not. this is because of the island being struck by a volcano eruption. in both games they have the same melody, but at different tempos and with different instruments to represent pre-eruption vs post-eruption
@@Alex_Eh The pokemon series can be confusing in how they constantly re-release old games with new graphics. The story of red/blue/yellow is the same as firered/leafgreen and Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee. If you look up the Cinnabar Island theme from any of these games you’ll get the cheerful music. Gold/Silver/Crystal were made to be sequels to the Red/Blue/Yellow story, and HeartGold/SoulSilver are basically the same as G/S/C. However, in G/S/C, the music that plays on Cinnabar is not related to the cheerful theme from the first games. In HG/SS, though, the original music is remade into a gloomy version of itself, that’s the music that plays in the video.
@@Alex_Eh Cinnabar Island has a volcano. In Red/Blue the town is small but cheerful with a cutting edge laboratory, an abandoned chateau where scientists were experimenting with clones and a gym. Gold/Silver occurs three years after the events of Red/Blue, at some point in those three years the volcano erupted and the town is no more. Everyone was evacuated on time luckily, but there's nothing in the island anymore.
Yeah I though it was strange that version was chosen
This has to be one of the all time nerdiest videos on the internet and I'm 200% here for it.
And speaking of nerdy, "Across the Stars" could also fit Anakin Solo and Tahiri Veila.
I'm 300% here for it.
The Poképark melody brought back so many memories, I was actually about to tear up a bit. It's such an underrated Pokémon game
9:02 It’s not nearly that slow in the original. The RBY Cinnabar Island theme is in the key that the sample was in, and much closer to that tempo
Whomever set this up for them did not do the best job setting up the Pokemon references for them
That was the Gold and Silver version. It's different because the volcano exploded and the town is abandoned, the music reflects that
Honestly i hope this helps people see that "video game" music is real music. To hear about how a teacher taught a lesson on music theory about pokemon would literally be the most heart warming thing ever. These video game music composers are geniuses themselves too.
My favorite music is from bloodborne so yah I agree game music is real music.
If you want example look up Ludwigs theme
My favorite pokemon music trivia will forever be that one guy who made his entire 40 pages thesis on music theory about PMD music
Nintendo has one of the best video game music composed. Lets scrap that and make it Japanese. Some real composing geniuses are behind a lot of japanese developed games. Zelda, Metroid, final fantasy series all have amazing pieces.
@@siragon756 that’s not that uncommon. I knew someone in college who went on to write their 170 page phd thesis about their wow guild.
Scala radio in UK has a scheduled program called "The Console" hosted by Luci Holland 60mins of video game music, broadcast over the air each week. not sure if its available outside the UK
Zelda vs Tchaikovsky. Koji Kondo has been compared to Tchaikovsky's and other romantic composers "energetic" pieces, that would be fun :D
as soon as a piece in 13/16 came about (looking at you, final battle from OoT, you beautiful masterpiece) it would be a dead giveaway.
Koji Kondo has a very distinctive style that's immediately recognizable, so trying to make a video comparison with him in it would be a lot of fun, but probably incredibly easy.
The stalfos theme from Skyward Sword sounds just like Tchaikovsky, especially at 0:16 when it sounds exactly like Swan Lake.
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Awesome idea!
@@vixencaw7551 that wasn't composed by Kondo
@@papersonic9941 Oh you're right, my bad. It's actually by Mahito Yokota.
The fact that there even is a challenge to differenciate the music of mozart from the Pokemon themes speaks for itself. The creators of the Pokemon themes are the real underappreciated heroes (Gen V especially :D)
FR/LG version of Gen2 johto route, Sevii islands theme, is one of the best but you might not know this one gen well
I love their breakdowns because as soon as i hear a pokemon song im like yea it’s pokemon and pokemon gives it self away because i feel like it has a signature a feel to it that makes it distinct
Pokémon music is actually incredible, over the 9 generations and their spin off games, it’s insane how much great music there has been
Well considering they gave 0 VA they kinda need it lmao.
Gen 9 has one of my new favorite OSTs for Pokémon. Area Zero and the final boss will never cease to give me goosebumps.
I love how no matter what people feel about the actual games, all pokemon fans agree the music slaps
I think one of my favorite pieces is the kanto/mewto battletheme in x and y. Also the song thats played by the kimono girls before the ho oh battle starts in heart gold. But there are so many good pokemon songs its incredible
Steven's theme from gen 3 has always been my favorite. So intense.
This is awesome. The other day I heard Rite of Spring by Stravinsky and could have sworn it was from a Pokémon game, it’s general familiarity without putting my finger on where I knew it from. So there’s definitely classical roots in Masuda’s writing style that continued to influence music in Pokémon games he didn’t compose for.
Wikipedia cites classical music as well as Stravinsky as some of Masuda's major influences.
You probably already know but Rite of Spring can be clearly heard in the opening of One Winged Angel in ff7 so it definitely goes to show how groundbreaking it was and how important it still is. You wouldn't be surprised if someone told you it was from 100 years later. The same part is also the main melody of the Shark theme by John Williams of course
@@Ghost-xu3xs One Winged Angel is a tacky butchering of music, I wouldn't use that to demonstrate musical importance.
@@BloodrealmX I'm sorry but "tacky butchering of music" sounds a bit harsh for one of the most important and famous video game compositions ever.
And also even if you're convinced of that it doesn't change the fact that the opening of that piece is directly derived from the rite of Spring and even deaf people would recognise it, so there is musical importance and relevancy. (Btw I wasn't a big fan of One Winged Angel either until I heard it live in a theater and it blew the whole room away)
@@BloodrealmX it doesn't sound that great on a ps1 but a live orchestra makes the ps1 version sound like child's play. it's absurd hearing that song played live.
I'm proud to say that I understood more than 22% of the terms and phrases in this video.
2/9ths? Well done!
12:30 "You can't just sit on a note"
La Monte Young: "Hold my pencil..."
As someone with a Masters in conducting, and an AVID Pokemon fan from childhood... THIS VIDEO WAS AWESOME FOR SO MANY REASONS!
As someone who only took a music course in the eight grade. I also concur
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
As someone who took half a music course in the sixth grade, I also concur
As a pokemon master (whos caught all original 151) i can whole heartily agree
As A Casual Pokemon Fan Who's Caught All 1005 Pokemon. I Love This.
I’m glad there was Mystery Dungeon representation because the PMD series has such amazing music that the series is almost more known for its music than its gameplay
I play mystery dungeon music during homework
Mystery Dungeon is mostly known for its story
@@10meisterballe I said almost. It’s not an attack on the stories of the games, I think most of them are wonderfully written and much more complex than the main line games without being overly convoluted or watered down. They treat the kids that are their intended audience with the respect of assuming they’re actually intelligent. However, I was saying that the PMD music absolutely slaps. It’s some of the best video game music I’ve ever heard
@@jaredadkinson Also, gameplay and story are two separate elements, so you're right. Without the music and the story, it would be nothing more than a dungeon crawler.
PMD gang!
I've never heard of "Codename St. Anne" I've always just considered it the SS Anne theme from Pokemon Red and Blue, which was one of my favorite tracks in all of Pokemon. I legitimately have it downloaded to my Itunes.
would love to see a series like this! subscribed.
This challenge is so interesting. To clear this, you either have to be an extremely talented musician with a lot of knowledge of musical history, or just really good at a 24 year old game you played as a child. 😂
And I proudly fall in the latter
Hah. I wasn't sure whether to be proud that I got all of them right (except the bonus questions I had no idea about). lol
The intro song I knew from pokemon red and was like "I might be able to win this"
Actually, it's older than 25 years now. We just had the 25 year celebration.
@@ElysetheEevee miscalculation, my bad. I haven't played the original games in a while, I've mostly played RSE and upwards
For me there is slight rhythmic alterations between Mozart and Pokémon and a good understanding of Pokémon rhythm and some basic structures of Mozart. So yeah all that helped me get them all right
It seems easier for a pokémon fan to recognise music that doesn't sound like pokémon, than for a composer to recognise music that doesn't sound like Mozart.
I didn't recognise any of these songs (apart from Awakening/Heartwarming - though I didn't recognise it when it was simplified), but pokémon music seems to have a very distinctive sound.
Every generation in pokemon alone is pretty distinct music wise. Gen 3 was very trumpet heavy, gen 4 had piano, gen 8 had alot of rock music, etc.
Of course, mozart is a composer who made these pieces to match various styles while pokemon is just a series with a coherent style. I'm sure if you did Mozart vs all the works of Junichi Masuda (the composer for the pokemon games), it'd be more difficult.
Yeah, it was fascinating - I got all of them right as a Pokemon fan, but that included the Pikachu's Adventure theme, which I had never heard before. I figured it had to be from a game I hadn't played or just didn't know that well, because something about it sounded too Pokemon to me.
Makes sense. Mozart obviously is older than Pokémon so Pokémon's composers can be inspired by him and add their own elements.
It's easier to distinguish the added elements once you can recognise them than it is to distinguish the original from something it influenced.
@@lukedetering4490 In structure though, they all are very similar. If you play it all on the same instrument, without knowing which game it comes from, they'll sound very similar. (I guess not counting S+M onward)
Absolutely awesome video and I will be definitely looking at those courses. Amazing
Really appreciate the historically informed recordings! 😊
Next you should try Castlevania vs Baroque composers! Some pieces like the Wood Carving Partita from Symphony of the Night could easily pass.
It's gonna be easier because they don't have Bach or Handel works written when they were five years old (or written by someone else, like the Symphony #3 which wasn't actually written by Mozart). It wouldn't be as easy to confuse any of the adult compositions of those composers.
I love the concept of this video, but as someone with trained ears who frequently transcribes Pokémon music for fun, it bugs me that a number of chord progressions in these simplified arrangements are incorrect lol. mm.7 of the bike theme should be a ii going to a V instead of being a V right away, the pedal point for the first four measures of St. Anne isn’t accurate, the V7 chord on m.1 beat 3 of Cinnabar should be a ii in second inversion, etc etc. Add to that the fact that Gen 1 Pokémon music has been rearranged and reharmonized several times at this point, even within official media, and you kind of have a mess haha.
When I tried to figure out where the St. Anne music came from, I ended up associating it to the Pokemon Sapphire Oceanic Museum, which is ironically also using the same theme, but slowed down and with more emphasis on the main melody. The various remixes in Fire Red almost remove the main melody entirely. It's fascinating how many remixes and alerations there are to some of the main melodies.
Trust me, the Mozart ones are as incorrect if not more, on one of the examples you can hear 3 g major chords 3 bars in a row, something Mozart would never have done in that way, and when you look at the original you can see that there is a D major on every third beat.
@@z.a.4801 Yes, this should have been pure melody instead of bad simplified arrangements. The chord progressions were simplified in a way that made almost all of them sound really unnatural. Weird voicings, weird bass notes, bad voice leading...
@@z.a.4801 I was really irritated that they omitted the leading note in one of the Mozart examples. That's the reason why they both felt it couldn't be Mozart and why they both looked uncomfortable on those chords. Makes the whole excercise pointless.
I'd love to see a poketuber and a music expert repeat this same challenge.
Poketuber would smoke the composer
I would like to see Jaden animations try to do this challenge I feel like that would be fun
I’d want the Pokétuber to also guess where the song is played LOL
Poketuber with a music degree be a good pick
Too easy for someone with hundreds of hours on Pokemon.
I haven't played one in almost a decade now, and I still got right most of them 😂
One thing that helps with a few of these... game music has to be able to run continuously, which in most cases means it has to loop somewhere - and that somewhere is "soon" if it has to fit on a game boy cartridge where the series started. So it has to get in, make its point, and get back before it runs out of file space.
I really love the existence of this video
I think what gives away some of the Pokémon ones are how the melody doesn’t start on the downbeat. Back on the gameboy, it could only play 4 pitches at once, so it usually played the bass note and start of an arpegiating chord on the downbeat, and then the melody came in on the next beat. It really forced the composers to write songs around the hardware at that time, so even when the track was remastered on more powerful hardware, it still had the same structure.
Thanks for the fact
Wow. I do remember that TH-cam channel 'Retro Game Mechanics Explained' touched on the audio capabilities of the original Game Boy in one of their videos, but I don't think they ever did a video specifically about what you mentioned.
That's some impressive trivia. Thanks.
True though pokemon has been on hardware that can do much more now, so those restrictions don't apply. Though I guess artists will be more inclined to keep the themes of their older work around.
@@Roboshi2007 Exactly. By the time the series got to that significantly better hardware, Pokémon music had developed a distinctive sound and it would've been weird for the fans if they'd heard something too different. It's really developed into something of a proto-genre by this point, same as a lot of the classic composers.
Well, I scored 100%. For me, Mozart melodies want to grow to become other things (deveolpment during the pice), while Pokemon, due to the nature of the looped music, tend to be repeatable. That Mozart symphony (number 5 question), for example, going from a minor context to a major relative.
Exactly.
I felt the same way. The Pokemon themes always seem to find, or approach, resolution. Mozart's pieces seem to be just getting started.
Yeah same
So you could say that Mozart's music.... evolves? Like a Pokemon? 😄
Mozart's music tends to have each phrase make a distinct statement, yet that statement is an unresolved part of a larger whole. Pokémon themes tend to not say as much, and yet resolve as if they weren't really going anywhere in the first place. I did get one wrong, but got 8/9 paying attention to this idea.
I’ve only missed cinnabar island’s and the pokepark themes… I was surprisingly able to recognize leitmotifs from the pokemon side games, even if I didn’t know the songs themselves. For the bonus questions I had two of the four before they spoiled me, but would have gotten three without their help (I didn’t identify the Indiana jones one correctly).
A bit advantaged here since I listened to a lot of classical music growing up and am pretty familiar with Pokemon music in general, even without knowing the exact songs, there are pretty distinct telltales signs from classical music of Mozart's era that make it different from Pokemon music that I can't quite put into words. I would say only #7 was difficult.
Yeah, Pokémon music is so mozartian. It's childlish, graceful, magical, funny and deeply melodical at the same time. I love both and this challenge was sort of easy for me lol. You could put every Mozart sonata on a PKMN game and it would fit there perfectly. I've enjoyed a lot this video.
What I find fascinating is that this quiz uses simplified piano versions of the tracks, and yet doesn't include a single Sinnoh track (the pokemon region most known for its excellent piano music).
Probably so we can't easily point out if it's a sinnoh song too easily
Sinnoh music is fantastic but sounds nothing like Mozart.
Cynthia's theme intensifies
It sounds more like jazz quartets in Sinnoh, may have been too easy . Such beautiful songs though and I'm definitely listening after this.
Ah, yes, the region known for great piano music, like the nighttime pokemon center theme, or the home town theme, or THE TRACK. We all know THE TRACK. It's our version of one winged angel. And we all learned the meaning of humility to it.
I need a part 2!!!
Very fun concept! This was a great watch
This is really fun, my strategy was seeing if it sounded like it could loop indefinitely because video game music doesn’t have a set beginning or end.
As a Japanese-American, I grew up listening to Japanese music as well as classical music and something about the Pokémon harmonies and melodies feel more Japanese while Mozart’s feel European.
To be specific, if I listened through the entire peace and felt like it had “flavor” I picked Pokémon, if it listened and went “Hm don’t really feel any flavor” I went with Mozart. I’m halfway through and have gotten everything right so far.
Edit: nvm I got one wrong
One of the ones they got wrong has a part that sounds like a South Korean pop song called Kiseki. So I thought that had to be Pokémon.
It’s the royal road chord progression
u talk mad tuff for somone with a furry pfp
@@yankeeshoota I- I was talking about music theory?????
As someone with pretty much no musical skill but much pokemon knowledge, I'm astounded to have gotten a perfect score, dispute most of these themes not even being the popular ones. Many were spinoff games with themes that sounded just close enough to to the popular themes
I got it right every time using 2 rules
1: can it stand on it own as a single voice or it feels like it missing something? If it can be complete on it own, Pokémon, if it sounds like it missing other parts, Mozart. (Pokémon started on hardware that couldn't do many voices, so had to be composed to work as a single voice, a style that carried on, Mozart was writing for many musicians as a court composer)
2: clearness, if it gives a very clear emotional picture, Pokémon, if it feels emotionally vague, Mozart (video game music is there to put you in the right mood for the game/moment and needs to be super clear, Mozart was writing to be listened to, and vagueness and shifting emotions work better for that style)
I’d like to see “Is it classical or is it Metal” next
That would be too hard.
@@bobsala7780 Nah, that would be like the easiest challenge ever, unless it's specifically neo-classical metal. The melodic and harmonic vocabulary of classical are vastly different from metal.
@@MaggaraMarine it’s a joke
@@8722jojo Not sure. There are a lot of people who actually believe that metal is really close to classical.
Symphonic metal could actually give then a run for their money
It blows my mind that people still refuse to believe video game music is at the same level as great musicians.
The amount of times I’ve shown somebody a song and had them react positively until I tell them it’s from a game and all of the sudden they hate it…
My husband and I snuck videogame music on our playlist for our wedding. A few of our friends figured it out but the family was clueless
Nice! I got 7/8 before the bonus round, only missed the first one. Super cool video idea and a fun little challenge to play along with.
The Kanto bicycle theme was a popular tune back in its day.
I think this is much easier for a pokemon fan than it is for a classical music nerd
Mozart's repertoire is too large for anyone other than a dedicated scholar to have heard all his songs. Meanwhile you listen to every track while playing the game. So this video is essentially obscure Mozart comps vs common Pokemon songs
@@ApathyBM eh the mystery dungeon & pokepark songs are pretty obscure as far as the whole series goes, the first few pokemon songs though definitely are pretty common
@@ApathyBM there is like 5hours of Ost for pmd alone I think there is a lot of obscure pokemon jinggles there are like 30 pokemon games. But its impressive how many nice little melodies the pokemon games have, one of the things game freak somehow held up the quality off
Not unless you have played every game of every gens. I stopped at Gen 3, I couldn't recognize all of the tracks.
@@marugochan131 man you should play at least heart gold/soul silver. They are the perfect remake and better then the originals in every aspect.
Anyone else really craving some chip-tune Mozart rn?
This was something I didn’t realize I needed until you specifically said it
I'm going to Google search that now
Edit: okay this one slaps. th-cam.com/video/EttYkXS0KCc/w-d-xo.html
Searched up 8-bit mozart rn and they are bangers
I feel like SiIvaGunner has to have some Pokemon rips with that premise
@@Sebb_Music he has a REALLY good Turkish march remix that’s remixed off of attack of the killer queen from deltarune. I listen to it regularly, it’s so good
What a great idea for a quiz! I wanted to play along fairly so badly, but I immediately recognize any Pokemon music from the first chord xD
pmd mentioned INSTANTLY might have to watch this rn
Having listened to Pokemon music continuously from age six to now, it was easy to identify the Pokemon ones but it's really interesting to hear how they compare and contrast to Mozart
Also, the Cinnebar Island theme at 8:56 is a really unusual arrangement of that song. Most of the games that feature this song have a much faster melody. I'm assuming it was turned into this slow, music box theme to reflect how the island city had been destroyed in this sequel installment
Its the heartgold soul silver version actually
@@UmbraStarWolf no hgss is a remake of gold and silver which is the sequel instalment to red blue
@@EpicEric25 the cinnabar track used is from hgss
A lot of the timing on some of these transcriptions sound off to me. They don't sound correct even with a remix or alteration in mind. Some are just skip too slow or too fast to what they typically would be. I don't know. I wish my dad played Pokemon haha, I could ask him. I dropped learning more about music theory and reading music earlier on, while he's done it his entire life, even professionally.
@@UmbraStarWolf You're not disagreeing with the OP. HGSS is a remake of a sequel to the original series of Pokémon games. In the original the music is more upbeat, but in the second generation, a volcano decimated the island and left us with this dreary mood shift.
Early 8-bit games could only have 3 voices sounding at any given time, so it almost forced the composers to use a more contrapuntal style to fill the most space possible
Isn't that what people call midi music?
@@JesusProtects Sort of. MIDI music is made by a computer and is basically code to tell the computer how to play the song. Like if the song was a script, to be read out and played. 8bit music basically is midi music but while only allowing a max of 4 voices: either 4 notes or 3 notes and a percussion layer (not much better sounding).
@@JesusProtects MIDI can have more voices.
Could you both do an episode on temperament? It could be fantastic to introduce people how temperament changes things- equal temperament was only introduced in 1917 AD. The unequal temperaments are so much fun - every key has its’s own character!
Number 5 was actually the first one where I was really uncertain. The others all felt very solid to me in their styles, 5 was the first one where I was unsure whether it was Mozart or Pokemon
Musical memory is amazing. Even though I haven’t played some of the Pokémon games on the list in years, my brain was still able to recognize them. The Pokepark one was especially surprising; I haven’t played that game since I was a small child, but my brain was STILL able to recognize the melody after all this time, even though I couldn’t remember which game I had heard it from. I got every one right just from the sheer strength of musical memory, since these games were really special to me growing up.
Same, I don't know where its from, I think it might be HGSS or Yellow, the PokePark version still good tho
I ended up getting all but the last one(and none of the bonus round) almost entirely off "I know Pokemon Music in my heart, if it does not resonate with that memory its probably the Mozart's genius instead"
This was fun! Number 5 is an interesting one! I've been listening to Mozart for over 30 years and recognized the melody right away. The left hand part throws things off a little. Anyways, back to what makes this particular piece so interesting... It was neither originally composed by Mozart, nor was it a Pokemon tune. It was actually the andante of Carl Friedrich Abel's Symphony in B-Flat Major, Op.7. It was earlier misattributed to Mozart, because it was copied as a study piece by the young Mozart (then only 8 years old!) while he was visting London. A manuscript of the symphony written in his hand exsited and was categorized as his 3rd in the first complete published edition of his works. Mozart did change the score a little by replacing the oboe parts with clarinets and changing the key to E-Flat Major. I just thought I would share this interesting tidbit of info, because it illustrates the fact that even great composers start out by copying, studying and adapting the the works of established professionals. Everybody has to start somewhere! Mozart studied and assimilated the styles of prominent composers of his time, such as C.F. Abel, J.C. Bach, C.P.E. Bach and many others to eventually evolve into the masterful, influental composer we know today!
I very much appreciated learning about the history of this piece. Thank you
Fascinating stuff! Thank you for sharing.
Love this reply. Thanks for the cool information
Hearing those pokemon melodies in this context put such a huge smile on my face. They're all just burned into my brain from childhood.
I have no knowledge in music theory or whatever and very little knowledge in pokemon that would help differentiate this but i was able to distinctly tell which was which by the gaminess of the pokemon tracks, it had a lot of up and down simple tones that progressed into a somewhat happy melody and it just made me feel like i was playing a game
It really speaks to the quality of the music composing in Pokémon that it's genuinely difficult to distinguish from Mozart's work.
@@kapo5636 Are you saying the professor in music theory and the composer that are having difficulty telling the two apart in this video are untrained as well?
May I ask what kind of training you have had that makes this such a trivial task to you?
@@SentientMeatbag if this professor was really what he claims to be, then be should have gotten every single one correct. He's just a fraud
@@SentientMeatbag hours of hearing pokemon music made him have a bias
@@kapo5636 L
If he was classically trained and got a doctorate in it, he was paid to do years of research in this field. Mozart, Hayden, and Bach are some of the simplest studies in his field. This means thousands of hours of training just to understand theory of Mozart's music.
This sad excuse of a professor has no place getting confused between Mozart and a video game
I love how I came into this from the exact opposite point of view as you. You kept looking into the music theory and seeing if it sounded like Mozart, meanwhile I was just listening to see if it sounded like Pokémon.
I think at Symphony No.3 in Eb major Andante the problem is, that the baseline in tact two is just a chord. So how it is there probably everyone guesses Pokémon.
I was able to tell just on whether or not it sounded Pokémon, and it freaking worked. Even if I’ve never heard of it. I never played Kanto and was able to name Bike theme though, so I guess my years of Pokemon have served me well
To be fair to you both, they picked some really good Pokémon songs that could be mixed up. There are some tracks that there would be 0 doubts
True but then what is the point. They also could have picked an excerpt from one of Mozart’s most famous pieces
I'd love to watch Mozart take this quiz.
He'd probably be annoyed at how bad the piano transcriptions are. And so would Masuda for that matter ;)
Get ze ouija board
He has an unfair advantage though
Sure I’ll go dig him for you
@@pjkorab both of them had wrong transcription, that makes it fair!
So something else to consider is as a music producer I think about how that track would be used in the game. Does that 8 bar loop lend itself to being looped pretty easily because that’s quite often how a lot of games make their sounds
I also got 5/9
I only played the first pokemon and I only played a little mozart in band class
It was fun because I don't have the words to talk about music (music theory boggles my brains), but a lot of the things they mentioned were what "felt weird" or not like the other style to me, too. So I learned a bunch ✨
I think it was such a big missed opportunity to not include Cynthia's pre-battle music. So if you should decide to make another one of these, please have this one in it. And great video btw!
I have limited classical knowledge but I’m pretty sure Cynthia’s pre theme, while classical isn’t based on the style of Mozart particularly. They will know it right away.
Well that may be true but i still wanna see their reaction when they hear it :)
It's too much of a give away because it doesn't have similar elements to Mozart. It's too frenetic.
Cynthia's battle theme gives me Beethoven vibes. If you compare moonlight sonata 3rd movement to it, it's quite uncanny how much was inspired.
@@RadenWA i mean some of these others ones they are stumped on are pretty obviously not Mozart either haha. But yes they could do it again with a Romantic Era composer and it would be a better fit!
If you are a Pokémon fan, it's really easy to differentiate - they have a certain wistful, dreamy feel to them. 😊
I don't know - I got number 6 wrong (having not played Mystery Dungeon or any game where this theme appears obviously).
There were 2 or 3 notes in there that got me thinking "That does sound wrong for Pokemon", but then again, I do think that Pokemon may have had different composers over the years.
I only got the Pikachu park one wrong; I can see why this might be hard if you're not familiar with Pokemon, but there's a certain theme tying almost all of their music together if you're familiar with it.
@@james64ibm
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon was made by Hudsonsoft instead of Gamefreak, so it usually has a different vibe to its music. The final boss/level themes in particular are pretty distinct from most of the mainline games.
I don't play game with sound so I wasn't able to tell
Wasn't really surprised though lmao
@@james64ibm as a person who has a masters in music. 6 got me too. It sounded very Mozartian
Loved this video!
Damn!! The second song you play is the first song that came to my mind when playing the video!! It's such a melodic masterpiece!
I've heard several famous Mozart pieces, as well as a lot from main-series Pokemon, but most of the spin-off games are completely unfamiliar to me.
Out of the 8 pieces, the bike theme was the only one I recognized immediately, but I still got most of them right just by asking myself "could this be looped infinitely without driving the listener mad, or is it meant to go somewhere else after this?"
I have heard it said that all modern-day music is based on Bach; in that it is derived from someone, who derived it from someone, who derived it from someone, who derived it from Bach.
Makes me wonder if maybe "Bach or Pokemon" would be even harder to tell apart.
Funny you say that… I had a theory teacher in college who said if you think you’ve heard something new, Bach already did it somewhere in his work
A lot of the melodies in the video sounded like something from The Golberg Variations to me.
I don't know anything about music but I'd still bet money that somebody somewhere is singing something that can be traced back to traditional folk music written by people who never had the capacity to ever hear anything that could be traced to Bach.
Great Video!
The nostalgia is strong here and it almost made me cry 🥲