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- I was contacted by a viewer to help with a roofing issue, but unfortunately I was very busy. However, the crew at Cassone's RV was willing to help an owner in dire straights.
His 2003 Fleetwood Discovery had a rotten roof and the old membrane was removed by another business. Unfortunately, that business did not want to finish the job so the owner was left stranded. He wanted a commercial TPO roof on his unit like the guys at @RVROOFINSTALL does. He provided the materials and just needed assistance installing the membrane and he would take care of the rest.
This is a GAF roofing system I and the rest of the Cassone Crew has never done before, so obviously it was a learning experience for us too. Sta-bond 183 was used to replace the luan decking like a Winnebago roof. We did our best to follow the manufacturer's directions but I am positive we did not do it perfectly.
Thanks!
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The real way to bond TPO is gluing the deck and the sheet. Roll it in once it's tacky. I see all these rvs fail because roofs are put on wrong, gluing only deck. Of coarse I am a commercial roofer of 25 years so have significant experience
And whose You Tube channel did the owner watch hmmmm
Moron , moron , I think I know also lol
I believe they are out of Georgia
The put more on guy! 😆
I believe it is too.
The only guy that puts more on is a moron lol!!! I am curious if you think it is worth the extra cost of this material ?
Boy do I miss the old day of metal roofs. My RV trailer in New Zealand that came from England had an aluminum roof and was amazing.
A single piece of aluminium or joined pieces?
Im doing mine this summer to get it over with and its gonna be commercial for ever, worked with epdm and tpo for the last 7 years you cant go wrong.Good Job!!!
You Tubers!!!! I get your point though, people on here present themselves as experts and do not have the slightest clue. Do not jump on the first video you see on any given subject. Explore and learn, take the time to get multiple points of view. Or just go to AZ Expert first!!!
I was mostly making fun of myself. I watch youtube videos all the time for help too.
@@AZExpert It's a great source for DIY, but some people(my wife) think you can fix and build everything with staples and super glue!!!!!! They are on there too.
When you mentioned ‘down in Georgia how they do things’ I had to think. You’re talking the ‘rv roof install’ guys who also have a TH-cam channel and do the seam welding etc. They’re amazing guys and do incredible work too. Not unlike yourself, Chad and Micah. Thanks James.
Thanks
I watched videos about that roof stuff from some company in the east. They make curbs and heat weld it all together. It’s good stuff. Expensive but it will out last the coach. Good video 👍🏼
yes they do a very good job and have a great shop
They do a good job but unaffordable. Cost more to install then the rv is worth, when I got a quote. Have to figure out how to do it on my own, material not expensive only the guys doing the work.
RV Roof Install in Georgia are experts in installing commercial 60 mil TPO roofs with curbs. They showcase their work but it is not a DYI channel. Why laugh at people finding a TH-cam Channel where roofs are installed? Maybe you could learn something from RV Roof Install. Try standing on the crap from Dicor or using their crappy products. It a lot thicker because it’s quality and will last a lot longer than typical RV roofs.
Thanks for the comment
Nice video. Do you have to use the Contact Cement? I thought TPO roofs use a different glue, not contact cement.
“ It’s load bearing aluminum foil “, lmao! Don’t tell them I that, they will believe you! I love your work ethic and informative videos. Been doing this almost 4 decades but it’s always great to see other techs going through the same process. Keep it up, your videos are always fun to watch.
When I used to do laminate on cabinets, if it was a long run we would use pipes every so often to keep it from touching it until we laid it down I don’t know if that something you could try or think about next time.Pipes would be maybe a foot to a foot n half apart and then you would pull pipe out smooth that out to the next pipe then pull that pipe out.u get the idea. Something to think about
we thought about it but didnt trust the process not to fail
I’m not sure if this will get seen since this is an older video, but…Why isn’t marine grade plywood used in place of that crappy luan? I know cost & weight might be the first thoughts but wouldn’t that be a better option? Would there be a problem with the adhesive binding to the marine plywood or some sort of other waterproofing ?
I’m just wondering after watching nearly all of your roof replacement videos…LoL! Great Information Channel for existing and new RV owners!
Azdel is what's used to replace lauan board these days in RVs.
Thanks for showing us this. It would be great if the owner provides us some updates on how he finished the job. RV roofs do seem to be problematic and prone to failure and the industry should do something to improve the long term outlook. The commercial roof route seem to have some advantages over the RV roofs even if it's much harder to apply.
You're welcome
Even though it's hard to work with, that roof will last. Well worth using, at least from an owners view. Looks like yall did a great job!
Thanks 👍
Now you know why we are the best James. It's not easy by no means. Although we do have full wrap scaffolding and we are inside. I'll bet you all got stones with that solvent adhesive...lol. Dicor may be easier to out down but it certainly isn't better. We don't use GAF anymore. I may have to make a road trip to show you all how to get it done...lol.
never doubted your roof or method and have always been jealous of your catwalk. Luckily we were in a well ventilated location! Thanks!
@@AZExpert that's is a structured membrane... that's the weave or mesh you see. 45 mil is a bit easier to work with. We use 60. I'd like to see his curbs as well. Takes me 1.5 hrs to build one and I designed them. Critical welds on the curbs.
This is awesome my 2 favorite youtubers complimenting one another. Just started my 5th wheel rebuild July 6th. Lots of dry rot. Wall with slider is leaning in. Kids and wife want me to set trailer on fire. Buy another but I am debt free wanna remain that way
Is it a good idea to glue 45mil tpo to 1/4" luan that's glued to foam board on a aluminum trussed roof?
What ever happened to that vent pipe you cut off? How did you reattach it if you did?
James you're beginning to be very popular you had over a hundred views in the first 16 minutes you posted that so that's pretty terrific now you won't be able to go any place that people recognizing you
it's somewhat strange to be sure, thank you!
Aside from your incredible talent and work ethic, your positive and cheerful attitude makes this channel exceptional.
Thank you so much 😀
What is the “curbing” you were talking about? Maybe a video showing that?
Watch any of their videos. They make their own curbing. It’s gotta be pricey, but if I were to buy another RV, I’d seriously consider them before I ever used the thing.
th-cam.com/users/RVROOFINSTALL
Firestone has a TPO peel and stick roll that is flexible like EPDM called Flex Adhered, you might like it.....just started watching your videos because I just bought an RV.
Thanks for watching!
I did this on my prowler fifthwheel but just fastened it and I live in northern Quebec went true much heavy off road in winter never leak never ripen but I got to find metals max air some day 😁
Thanks for sharing!
What do you mean you just fastened it? You didn’t glue it?
Hi James, Thanks for your videos I live in Ga and after watching your instructions I acquired a 2000 30Q hurricane and did a complete redo, and installed the PVC roof I wanted the Commercial TPO but it was way out of my price range, With your instructions the PVC was a very doable job. they had the PVC membrane but no glue I asked them what was required to comply with the warranty and was told and sourced and completed thanks again
I'm glad to hear it. Thanks!
How thick was the pvc and the decking that it was glued to?
Did mine last year same way. I highly recommend it but definitely not for a amature. Built my own curbs and all. After doing standard rv too roofs I will never go back to rv standards. Bought another rv last month and even though the roof is in good shape I'll be replacing it with GAF and curbs. I was quoted $10k to have my roof replaced. I did it for less than $2k
that's really impressive, I think the supplies for this job were more than that. It's a big job for sure.
I like that TPO roof better then the cheap stuff that comes from the factory to bad they didnt install this from the factory you guys did a great job!
thank you!
I'm looking for air conditioner curbs for a pair of Pelican model air conditioners. Stock they just have a piece of foam sealing them, not good. I just installed a new TPO with your instructions, but the AC units lak. Thanks
We were looking forward to a road trip to Arizona and contacting you soon to utilize your expert and skillfully professional talents to tackle a small water delamination corner spot on our Snowriver Truck Camper. We only wanted the best in the industry. Have you retired from repair and just do inspections now? All the best to you. Stay Safe and Free.
I'm so busy I don't have time to take on any new work! Thanks for the thought though
What is that super thin wooden roof material called? cant find it for the life of me. Is it 1/8 plywood?
For one such as myself who keeps RVs for a very long time this seems like the way to go aside from difficulty of installation
I'm sure like all things it gets easier, but it is strong
I wonder about a metal roof. Been looking to find information but not finding much.
What is best way to glue sides? Or what type of sealant or adhesive?
Micah and Chad, you can admire there work, just awesome. The Picasso’s of repairs. Nice camera work James.
thank you
"Commercial grade TPO" is identified as 60mil or thicker by the WSRCA, NRCA, and by nearly every manufacturer since 2009.
And that's 60 before you factor things like fleece thickness. The reason why is TPO naturally erodes, losing thickness every year. Especially those utilizing halogenated fire retardants as opposed to the more modern formulas which prefer magnesium.
After all that work you would have thought the owner would have let you guy's complete the whole job. Another great job!!
We have never heat welded or built curbing so it would be a difficult job to stand behind
On a plus note, it's not going to balloon. Jajaja!😜
i sure hope not!
That stuff will outlast the RV ....
That is the hope
i tried to do it on my 2×6 slide roof..😢😢the plywoodwas out of my slide.i cut pvc .put glue on and when i applied pvc i missed the mark and it stuck..epic fail .you need two people even with a small piece..
do you have a materials list and 60 mil, torch down?, Is that beautiful or if you got coal tar and asphalt or vinyl composite?
What do think about rv manufacturers using thin aluminum in place rubber. The benefits are no UV damage. Tear resistant min cost increase
No, not a one man job... that is my model coach..I see it quite a lot on youtube, I hope that just means it's very popular. uhg...
Great video James. Where you cut the wires was where I had my leak problem. It originally had foam that had dried out and turned to dust. I squirted silicon into it like the ones you removed. Still had a leak, so I foamed it again. No more leak so far. Best Wishes! Kevin
I'm glad you got it fixed, it's very surprising how little thought is given to openings in walls and roofs
Sounds like it is the material the manufactures should have used....
While on the topic of roof repair, I have got my own little project going on. I am repairing the edpm (auto correct inserted Rodman then Edomite in place of “edpm”. You gotta love the auto correct feature.) roof on my 23’ travel trailer. So, it has been a zen practice removing the flaking paint from the “Rodman” roof. I started with Dawn, water and stiff bristle brush to get the big patches. I am now down to a putty knife with a sharpened edge to coax some of the remainder. If it doesn’t come up willing, I leave it and move on. I will be applying Pro Guard Liquid Roof (primers and sealant). I have on occasion lost focus and nicked the roof down to the black (
Me looking at the TPO : "Damn boi he thick, Thats a thick ass boi!!" - th-cam.com/users/shortsoPJkZpcMJFs
Can you tell us what kind of roof we have, can’t figure it out? We have National Sea View, love her but we watch you and we’ll want to treat her right !
Put the air conditioners where they belong use a mini split heat pump system and get those damn holes out of your roof quit putting holes in RV roofs
The TPO ROOFING I HAVE IS SMOOTH ON ONE SIDE AND TEXTURE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHAT SIDE GOES UP, THANKS
what about using a bitumen (bitchaThane) snow/ice shield product?
the spray on Rhino lining is the way to do it now , I would never do this , to easy to damage it
What is the name of the tarp you put on the roof? Where can I get it online and have it sent to Mexico?
i used this on my class A over 10 years ago .. good stuff but glue not so much as i have spots that came up but with driving speeds it does not care can stays where you put it , lots of trees tested my roof as i am 12.6 high with out ac units and did not hurt it . hard part was dicor of any kind does not like to stick to it at all and comes right off 6 months latter
that's good to know about the dicor. Thanks
What would a 38" Class A cost for a new roof with all new wood cost?
CONTEXT viz., CONTENT
u talk way too much
Without priming the surface first no caulking will stick to these roofs. I’ve learned from experience you don’t prime it will leak.
THanks for the comment
Awesome video James!
Glad you enjoyed it
❤ Having worked with plastic laminate (mica) liquor thinner will cut the glue. Not sure what it will do to the TPO.
not advised for use
thank you for the video this is exactly what I'm putting on my Monaco Windsor this week I'm gooing to leave everything off the roof I already replaced all the wood thanks again
You're welcome
Where do i get a roll of this type of membrane
How much does a job like that cost?
This is Amazing Content - it’s great to see such skill in action.
I have a 19 ft RV how much do they cost?
Owner should have had the channel that specializes in 60 mil TPO roofs do it. It should be noted that it seems that this fairly long Class A owner was trying to get this done on the very cheap. Even with purchasing the commercial TPO roof for this size coach, $2k to do the install is way too cheap. We did have a roof replacement for our very much smaller 25' 6" estimated by the other channel and it was too expensive for us but with a warranty that would probably outlive us and maybe even RVROOFINSTALL. If you want a 60 mil TPO roof, go to the experts that do that, however, be prepared to pay for it. For AZ Expert and for Cassone RV that did this one, congratulations! You were very kind to this owner, and we hope you got paid correctly for your efforts.
While I feel your intention of your comment was good, giving advice to the owner against my channel seems less than good natured. As a warning to others, still unkind. Cassone's RV merely helped a RVer that had been taken advantage of and had a roof exposed to the weather, I just brought interested viewers along and helped where I could.
@@AZExpert No, you're misconstruing our comment! Love your channel and would not give against it! We were chastising the owner for trying to get others to do work that for $2k was unreasonable! Note the end of the comment where we say you are very kind and did excellent work on that owners coach!
Sounds great!! It can be difficult to know the emotions of words. Thank you for the kind words and support :)
How do we contact you for an estimate?
Hello, I am just wondering what certifications are needed to do work on a trailer/RV, as far as gas, propane, and electrical go do you have to be licensed in this specific trades? Looking to get into a business fixing them.
RVIA certification
This field is not regulated so there is no requirements, check your state. It may be best to have some sort of RVIA credentials to help kick start your business. I am not much of a fan of RVIA they make you pay for "the decal" when you purchase most RVs. You do not get anything for it but support their organization. I am sure other professional organizations would love to automatically get paid from the buyer/client to support them.
I repaired my pop up. I don't know what the fabric is called but, I got it from my client. He transports wine in 18 wheeler containers. It's a big 20x10 ft Bladder that holds wine.
The fabric is plastic and has cloth inside of it. Very tough fabric...
I did the 60 mil tpo on my coach also built the curbs myself . I also used m-1 chemlink adhesive sealant with primer .
That's very impressive too! I'm confident I would not do the curbs correctly.
I'm about to do the same to my coach. 60mil GAF TPO. I had already fabricated the curbs, used GAF detail membrane and heat welded all together. It's a VERY tedious and time consuming process! I made a few mistakes along the way and had to redo a few. That's expected when you're learning to do this but gets easier over time. Now I'm ready to install next week!
That just seems like a lot of work. Do you think the commercial stuff will pass the cost-benefit sniff test?
he got a commercial roof cheaper than most dealers would have charged for a RV membrane so I think so. But I don't know if I'd like to do it again? :)
@@AZExpert I could tell that for sure. Seemed like a lot of things can go very wrong with that old school contact adhesive.
Good job first time. Rolling glue too thin. The bubbles will gas out. Don't use 40 minute rule. Roll in once it's tacky or else it over dries
You removed the awning arms all wrong....ha ha...does that make me negative? Good job, bad Chad !!
not at all, I wouldn't be a good RV tech if I didn't do things wrong a few times first.
im struggleing with my pop out roof..the first try was a fail .the glue folded and what a mess.now i had a local roofing place glue the roof on the wood first .but there are bubbles that im not shure if the slide seals will lay over...its pvc thick roof....my question is can the slide roof free float with only glue in spots and the surrounding screws holding it on....do i have to glue the whole roof to the wood..
I can see why you didn't take this job or have time for it lol. Damn 1000lb roll of tpo. Last person was probably like ya I'm not dealing with this roll of tpo lmao.
I'm thinking about going with 45mil Tpo. But I'm not sure if 1/4" luan is sufficient to bond it to. One supplier says that 1/2" plywood must be used. I have a 2006 Rockwood ultralite with aluminum roof supports and 1/4" luan glued to foam.
Any advice would be appreciated.
That's the roof material that manufacturers SHOULD be using.
I'll be replacing our 5th wheel roof with that when it's time.
It’s obvious that the owner was watching videos from RV roof install. Why didn’t he just go to them? They use commercial TPO with curbs
I have a truck camper where the front has a crack in it apparently from a roof leak that collected water and broke through the outer material. I am new to this camper and have never had a roof leak. As you know this water was from all the rain we got recently here in Phoenix Metro. Would the tpo material be a good replacement for this crack?
I'm putting a rubber roof on my Winnebago as, yes, it blew off in a wind storm. Can you tell me what you used to roll on the adhesive here? It looks like just a standard paint roll brush but want to make sure as I would think they would absorb too much stuff. Any quick answers would be appreciated. Awesome channel. Thanks,
Another QUALITY repair…. 👍💪💯
Thanks 👍
SOUNDS TO ME .....LIKE YOU DID THIS JOB TWICE .... first and last !
I have a sun lite slide in pickup camper, the roof looks to be rubber with felt backing, what glue would I use?
I haven’t removed anything as yet would this have luanne or plywood?
The side walls seam soft so I’ll have to remove the aluminum siding.
Wish you were near me here in Georgia. I need my trailer top replaced and can't get anyone to do it,no return calls or they dont answer the phone.
Hi i just saw this and i will like to ask would it be possible to use fiberglass instead or is it more expensive or harder to work with seeing that you have to sand it then paint i like how you work and how you explain things its always good to see a master at work i love rv but where i live unfortunately we don't have them here so much but one day i'll have my own
Not to change your subject I have a water heater that hot water doesn't leave the water tank I've drained it filled it up or turn the water on with the plug out water goes into it fills it what not but will not leave do you have any suggestions stranded thanks Matt
Harder to work with, but if you can find a niche installing it, it may be worth it.
Sounds like he found the TH-cam channel RV ROOF INSTALL. He correctly installs a roof and will warranty it for 20 years. He is the best RV roof installer period. Check out his channel.
sure thanks
Where can I buy this commercial grade roofing material? .. and all the materials?
As a roofer myself, tpo is actually garbage. I wouldn't install it on a residential or commercial buildings.
Yeah they're ok on RVs, I'm installing it on my travel trailer replacing some dry rot. But if you're installing tpo on your RV, then I'd recommend coating your camper roof with GE silicone on the wood, then lay the TPO (creates great adhesion and no moist can seap under it), fasten it with screws, then coat the entire tpo 2-3 times using the GE silicone roofing coating.
It will get pricey but you're roof will last a loooong time. The GE silicone is UV resistant, stays elastic all its life which is great when traveling and all that movement on your roof. Also great when it gets hot/cold when your roof is breathing expanding and contrapting due it being elastic.
Just leaving your tpo under the sun, the sun will cook it due tpo being plastic and not UV resistant.
Thanks for watching
I came across this channel and got a lot to learn from the rv specialist thanks for sharing my man
The guy has been watching too much RV Roof Repair. Wanting to make risers and melt the GAF together. They only show so much on that channel. Just enough to keep you interested. All I can say is good luck. 😆🤣
I've been doing roof repairs for 20 years so....
That’s pretty neat
Thanks for watching! :)
12:10 where do I find this wood? Thats where I am at. I have the exact same roof and doing the TPO thing...but this wood...lol. Thank you SO MUCH for what you do for us!
it's just 1/8 luan from Home Depot
Can you install a Commercial TPO Membrane on a Winnebago motor home. we have a 40 foot itasca ellipse 2006?
I have seen RV Roof installs do it, but I would not be able to .
If the roll is that incredibly heavy, should there be concern about the added weight to the overall weight, against it's limits? Did you advise the customer on its limitations? Does anyone else have comments on this? It seems like the greatest weak spots are the edges, and UV resistance, rather than roofing material thickness, provided no one is going to have to be up there, walking around and working on a recurring basis.
You should be up there inspecting the roof 2 times a year
No Chad, No Chad!....bad Chad. 😆
Well that thick tpo stuff just makes a heck of a lot more sense! Vs the thin, easy stretch, easy rip crap. Cheers 🍻
it is far superior indeed
Thanks for showing me a roof that I should not buy ever.......
My motor homes gonna have an aluminum or steel roof.....lol
Good choice
Whats the average cost of a roll of tpo? My 5th wheel is a 39ft keystone montana. Probably a good idea to start getting my materials ready🤦♂️
Depends on what you want, Google is your friend
That seems like it would be a true monster of a roof once installed but the installation process itself, wow😳
Perhaps better suited as a factory option as a custom-ordered feature. I would pay extra for a roof like that... presuming the factory installs it correctly of course.
I am surprised it's not offered too, I understand as production RV is a very streamlined operation, but the new PVC roofs seem to be about the same quality.
I had the same idea of using a material designed for building construction with a 30 plus year life span rather than the cheap crap they put on RVs in the factory.
You still have to inspect it twice a year
👍 Maybe you didn't 100% work on it, but the owner of the Discovery is lucky at least to have you check out the work your buddies did and help out here and there when you had the time in between jobs.
I can't thank Cassone's RV enough for helping him out.
Curious about the cost of a new roof if the structure is good,? I have a 20ft 2008 Thor toyhauler and the roof is decenigrating
It is still thousands
Why don't they just use aluminum or better yet fiberglass, why the rubber junk that does not last. Boats last 40 years.
price mostly, and the customers don't demand it
Good job as usual.. It does look more difficult job with the thicker material... When i drive past Cassone's RV I wave.
Thanks 👍
why not just fiberglass the whole roof
Would he be interested in selling his leftovers?
it's possible
yes, I would sell the leftovers, PM me.
@@cbr900rrr crap I never saw this response. Any chance you Stull have it and willing to sell? Not sure how to PM but I'll trying to find out how
Hi your videos are incredible, love watching them. I have a 2006 Itasca approximately to replace the roof on it. No leaks but the membrane is loose in a few areas. We are snowbirds from Canada and head down to Arizona for the winters.
Keep an eye on it