I'm a lil nervous. First, I like how Cedric is host with a few anecdotes and really enables Patrick. It is a great dynamic and they bounce good chemistry and humour off each other. I am not sure that Chapin will fit that same role. Second, Chapin has, at times in the past, preferred to sound clever then useful. He has argued that counterspell is strictly better then mana leak, and also not, at different times, quibbling over the mana cost, or ignoring it, as the case may be. He is 100% capable of being insightful, fun, and great to listen to. And I hope that is what he brings to the show. (he argued with Joey Pasco that mana leak was in some cases better then counterspell during an SCG broadcast, and with Mike Flores during their podcast that counterspell was strictly better, the mana thing wasn't important. It doesn't really matter specifics, its just a specific example of him wanting to be the most clever person in the conversation). I just don't want to hear two Patrick's argue about whether a card is good design or not. It has a real chance of getting lost in the weeds instead of having some quips and moving on.
@@tyboar1926 is that getting caught in the weeds or just a podcast about magic the gathering? Chapin is probably the most badass magic player of all time, cant wait to hear his takes
@@tyboar1926 that seems like a nitpick but i think i could interpret that as him being very thoughtful about the game's design and play texture which i appreciate. i think it speaks better to evaluation to not actually be consistent on which one you think is better than to be entirely rigid on it
totally agree. i been wondering about that dude for awhile now hoping for new content and hearing hes coming out of the shadows to land here is awesome . good luck cedric lets see that geddon
In fairness, this being a pre-recorded and semi scripted show helps eliminate the unnecessary tangents in post. We will hear only the good stuff and not as much of what you are nervous of (I hope). Should be fun all the same🙌
Congrats to Ced on moving to WotC, so many good memories of you two on coverage together and other projects over the years. Here's to the future and cool stuff to come on all sides
Here in Japan, whenever a new set is released, 1-2 guides to the set will be released in the nation's major book stores. MTG isn't as popular here, but there is sincere demand for publications delving into the set.
Developer "Charlie Keldono" is Charlie Catino. It was a running gag to intentionally misspell his name in the credits since it was misspelled in the set credits for Revised and Fourth Edition as Charlie Cateeno.
So as a personal anecdote counterpoint, I had the Blue Red deck as a kid and loved it. Yeah the other decks are better for explaining "here's an interesting mechanical theme" but when you're 9 years old, sometimes the only thing you need at a starter level is having an aggressive creature deck that turns things sideways. Deck made me fall in love with the block's basics as well as several of the individual cards in the deck, even if they're awful, just because they were fun for me to play with at a beginner level. Loved the coverage of this block that was incredibly formative to me growing up on the whole. Best of luck to Cedric on the new role at Wizards!
“Sometimes the only thing you need at a starter level is having an aggressive creature deck that turns things sideways.” So true. When learning magic nowadays, understanding combat is crucial and is the way that new players will interact with the game the most. All starter content should include aggro.
Aaawww I'm not on social media so this is the first time I'm hearing the news! I'm sad cause I love Cedric however I'm happy to hear the show is still going. Also happy to hear Cedric is going to be really involved in MTG. I have a feeling g this isn't the last time we see Cedric.
The banter at the end about what cards you wanna push through was great. Idea for the future: a post-mortem for things Cedric has worked on at WotC (to the extent he's allowed to, or when sufficient time has passed) that Patrick can critique/praise/dryly tear to shreds.
Happy New Years guys! Glad you haven't given up on this series as it's so daunting! We are in my first wave of nostalgia as this is the time when I first played MTG, so every end of episode showcase is a rush of nostalgia! Edit: Spoke too soon! It's been fun big guy! Thank you for helping birth this great series!
I want to say thank you to Cedric for being one of the best co-hosts in a fantastic podcast. I will miss his presence here but I'm excited to see what he does at WOTC
@2:05:30 great point about 'Fixed Necropotence'. 20+ years later, they STILL get themselves in trouble chasing narrow goals. No one needed a playable Lotus Vale. WotC insisted, and we're stuck with Lotus Field. No one asked for Scapeshift to have something to do in Standard for those last 2 months; being an availability reprint in M19 was enough. WotC insisted on that narrow goal, and we got Field of the Dead, banned in more places than Happy Fun Ball.
ugh, i'm choked up. Cedric my dude, I can't begin to explain how much I've appreciated your work on this series. This series has taken me back through a time of making meaningful friendships that I hold to this day. It's ignited my imagination about design and game play. It's been a companion to me in the hear and now when I've been sick. I've laughed so hard I've had to pause and my wife asked "what are you watching?!?". The absolute best of luck to you at WotC. I hope to see you as a special guest back here one day. Be well my dude.
Wish I could have commented earlier guys! You two are the best pair on TH-cam. Keep up the good work! It brightens my day every time a new episode drops!
Not to mention, Plow Under was printed in a time that it shared a deck with Llanowar elves, priest of Titania, Birds of Paradise, and then Avalanche Riders, Stone Rain, and Rishadan Port... So, it was pretty devastating in that build. Which was, in my opinion, one of the best Ponza decks ever.
Big ups to Cedric on the new gig. Excited for what the future holds for the pod and looking forward to the Patricks chronicling the upcoming sets, lotta bangers coming up.
I'm excited for both of you and the Pups. We get to see Ced move on to something awesome and keep hearing from Patrick. Thank you both for all the content and the content yet to be made!
My favourite Illusions/Donate story was one match: Game 1 - they play it T3 with mox, They have Donate in their hand (thanks to Intuition) I play Winter Orb - and they lock themselves from the game. Game 2 - sideboarded - They play T5 Illusions with Donate mana up, trigger on the stack, I play Erase. Two FoWs later - Erase resolves. KO. Yes, I was playing my favourite deck ever - SuperGrow
So many fond memories of this one. The first, and only, set I ever fully collected. Didn’t know much about powerlevel back then, but the whole art direction just spoke to me. Good times at the kitchen table; use Elvish Piper to get out Thorn Elemental, next turn pump it with Might of Oaks and hit em in the dome for 14. Or get a Horseshoe Crab with Opposition and tap all of their stuff forever.
Thanks for bringing what you brought to this show, Cedric! Good luck at wotc. The audience will miss you! I'm looking forward to the future of resleevables. I'm so glad Patrick decided to continue the show!
The "cycling from play" creatures get a lot more appealing when you remember that back then you could put damage on the stack. e.g. with Marker Beetles, you could put it in front of a 3/2 and have your bear block theirs, but instead of two trades OR you sac the beetles to draw, back then you could put damage on the stack, sac the beetles, draw a card, and save your bear with the pump. Then damage would resolve, they lose both of their creatures, you don't lose anything. It's a situation players nowadays would probably not run into, but when everybody was a lot worse at Magic, seeing lines like that made you a king
Rofellos's Gift are kind of an additional part of the Scent cycle and probably the most powerful and interesting cards with that mechanic from the set. Rofellos's Gift is a common for some reason so I've tried so badly to make it pauper playable
Congrats Ced, well deserved and wizards are lucky to have you. You'll be missed, but if anyone can fill the giant hole you leave, it's chapin. The future is looking up and i cant wait to see what's in store
these guys arent lore guys, my personal feelings are that I am also sad there is no lore, but from watching the lore in the past Cedric had to do way too much research for very little pay off. Please be understanding of the level of research it takes
@@leroygardner8529 I feel like you could at least do a story summary without having to do a ton of extra research. You don’t have to include every single story beat; just acknowledge who the main characters are, where they are, and what they’re up to.
@@christopherlundgren1700 yeah that counts as a lore section and I am honestly proud of how you dodged my point completely, ever since youre a lazy person right and you have never achieved anything so you assume everything is easy, its not, its hard work, stay in your lane and apologise to Cedric
@@leroygardner8529 I didn’t “dodge” your point; I refuted it. In other words, I’m saying that I don’t agree that doing a little plot summary would be a lot of extra work for little payoff. This would be in contrast to many of the earlier episodes, like Homelands for instance, where it’s very understandable that Cedric might think the juice of going so in-depth wasn’t worth the squeeze. What I’m suggesting would take like 5 minutes to look up and I think a lot of viewers would appreciate it.
Been listening since the pandemic episodes, thank you very much for getting me through my overnight shifts guys! Good luck Cedric i look forward to the stories one day on the pod!
@ they very much had episodes before this, they have consistently said this lol. They did a few sets during the pandemic that weren’t on TH-cam they were on Spotify and it was exactly the same as this but they were still working for SCG. If you listen they very much tell you they did this at the very end of this exact episode
I had no idea this was Cedric's last show. Wish you the best at your future endeavors The bar is going to be set super high chemistry wise, it's what made this show so great IMO.
Destiny is my favorite expansion. Opened two boxes the week it came out and the first set I completed. I regret selling my set, but am sure glad the foil Replenish was lost amongst baseball cards for twenty years. I think the art direction and card quality was at peak in this era.
Maro did a drive to work podcast on the topic of the one designer issue if I remember right it was a manpower issue everyone had other projects no one had time so Bill asked if he'd do it also charlie cantino is probably the new guy he misspelled his name differently on every set he worked an inside joke
Love the Cloudstone Curio story. As a dedicated Elves aficionado, Curio Elves is pretty much the most complicated combo version of Elves, even more complex than Combo Elves in Legacy. Kinda wish that sort of strategy was more common or viable in today's Modern or even Standard formats, but it seems like that's sort of a thing of the past. I kinda want to rebuild it just for fun
When I started to play magic Thorn Elemental was THE card at my school. I stopped playing and came back when Squadron Hawk was dominant in Standard along JTMS etc. Theses two cards make happy, because now I can evaluate cards better and see, one card was bad, the other was good. But on the other hand I'm really sad, that I can't replicate the "Oh wow! Thorn Elemental, best there is" experience. Therefore I have both in my binder, next to each other. Btw: love your Videos.
This was the first set I ever drafted! I was age 12 and I'm sure I did horribly but the idea of opening that many packs at once was pretty mind-blowing, especially with people pulling foils. Fun memories.
Really enjoyed the shoutout to Yavimaya elder. Was my favorite card from the set as it just smoothed out the magic landscrew experience like no other card
I played during that time, as soon your opponent misses something you call judge and they lose. We all knew the rules, we all knew to be careful and there's no conversation. I've had it happen to me and there is no mercy in this dojo.
Okay, that is the first one that you chose to miss on chronology, and you skipped 6th edition. Good thing really - I would do the same, but also very interesting from other perspective - UD is the first "expert" set under 6th edition, with the stack and damage on stack, and with one thing more - this is the moment when Morphling became so much better that it dominated
had replenish at the time and was even able to get all cards that could be foiled, foiled and the cards i couldn't was in simplify chinese. loved that deck so much.
an important part about Negator was that all these decks play Dark Ritual anyway so you got a good chance of slipping it in under a Counterspell. Masticore propably isnt even broken in Standard if you didnt need to discard a card.
I think they were specifically talking about cards from Urza block lacking Echo ltb triggers. But yeah, Time Spiral block added a few Echo cards with ltb abilities, and one with an Echo cost of discarding a card, so they did try to update the mechanic in some ways later on.
Sorry, wrong name.. Goblin Marshall. They mentioned the 1 green creature that gives +1/+1 counters, but goblin marshall also has leaves the battlefield trigger.
Yeah they did, and forgot. Lol. I used to play it in a deck with Recurring Nightmare. The ECHO triggers even if reanimated. So you could recurring nightmare back marshall, get 2 tokens. It would die on upkeep, 2 more tokens. Then you can use a token for Recurring Nightmare, get 2 more, next upkeep... So on and so forth. It would spiral out of control pretty quick. And this was in a deck with hippies, hymns, sedge trolls, and other forms of B/R control from the era.. was a decent deck.
Dunno if any1 else hav ever called Pat + Ced the Dynamic Duo of SCG coverage but they forever will b G.O.A.T. team in my mind. Heck, I might b down with watching them do anything together, even if it’s them jus staring at a blank wall… so long s they keep yappin to each other😬 Cedric, you will b missed in that seat but trust that you’ll do much good at WotC! Patrick, pls keep truckin on for every1’s sake. Who knows, 1 day you might get to tag in Cedric again for another great one! That double-team finisher move (haven’t thought of any good name fer it yet) would b a show to die for.
I played during Urza's Block, but I didnt do many tournaments until RTR and I played a lot of Slaughter Games and I remember hitting a dudes Elspeth from Theros which was his wincon. I also hit a couple of his spells, Detention Sphere and Supreme Verdict. He popped Elixir of Immortality five times and made the game really long, but I finally beat him with Stormbreath Dragon and hit him for damage of his hand size. These cycles remind me of that lol.
First thing first, gonna miss Cedric a lot. I'm hyped for Chapin, but this duo is special. Best of luck on the new job! And for as much as I like a good lore review, if we need to cut something to add the notable cards of the set, I think that is a good deal
Printed game guides still exist, but as far as I know they're usually marketed more as collector's items now, kind of blurring the lines between art books and traditional game guides.
Been enjoying your podcast version of this since they came out, and my favourite parts of those were your tournament anecdotes, memorable moments, plays, and people you played with and against at the time, as well as Patricks Upper Deck stories. Are those going to come back here at some point?
When I played X-Wing Miniatures I loved denying people missed triggers. One time at a store championship an opponent pre-measured his attacks out of order, thereby skipping over all of his attacks. So then I unloaded on him point blank and the 3 time world champion of the game called me a waste of humanity on the forums. I regret nothing.
If you combine the cycling cards with the cycle from in play add up to sensible numbers for a cycle? It seems like it both could and should but it was hard to track as you were adding some on the fly. Also I know Rosewater has talked about how he wished yavimaya Elder and company said cycling on them in some way because not enough people got that it was cycling from in play,
Rofelos seems even more dumb now with yavimaya, cradle of growth being created. Since its a cabal coffers/cabal stronghold that doesnt require mana to activate, it would make even more mana from your nonbasic lands also becoming forests
The most powerful but questionable sideboarding I remember being amazing was out of a mono-red burn splashing blue deck I played in Legacy 2 Mans on MtGO. I'd previously been playing Dredge and wanted graveyard hate worth mulliganing to, over graveyard hate that I could play on turn 3 and it would help a little. I wouldn't say Reanimator was splash damage per-say cause they signed up to deal with graveyard hate, especially post board and they were the other reason I had room for dedicated graveyard hate slots in my sideboard. But I got a turn zero concession from a Reanimator player that told me in chat he wasn't prepared for Leyline of the Void out of a deck that didn't have black mana sources.
Man, I'm not sure about the Lurking Jackals thing. I'm not saying it's good, but if you play creatures, beat the opponent down to ten, and then get Wrathed, it's a pretty good comeback creature, isn't it? It feels like it at least has a purpose.
Just a comment on the call out about the lack of pump spells - I think they really need the stack to get the juices flowing. We're still on batches, right? And so the timing of bolt versus giant growth doesn't make for an interesting decision point just yet. Thankfully 6th edition is next
I was under the impression that Rancor was meant to cost 1G but somehow wound up losing the 1 at the printing press making it the powerhouse it wound up being. Was that faulty school yard lore I picked up decades ago?
Regarding the "masticore incident" story, thats true thats how magic was back then, i actually qualified for a nationals because my oponnent drew a card after he didnt pay for a pact of negation upkeep 😂
plow under was so gross. sure, the first one 'only' sets them back 2 draws and 2 lands but then they get back to where they were and you play the second plow under... truly backbreaking!
Regarding "would False Prophet be good in standard", Day of Judgment (Wrath of God without the "Can't be regenerated clause) was printed in Foundations and doesn't really see that much play. I assume the same would go for False Prophet, but maybe the 2/2 body and exile would make a difference.
Very rarely do they print actual game strategy guides anymore. It's only for very select games. The last two games I can remember getting guides for were Cyberpunk 2077 and Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. Holding a strategy guide in your hands is way more satisfying than looking it up on the internet.
End of an era but Chapin is exactly the kind of person I want to hear about magic sets from.
I'm a lil nervous. First, I like how Cedric is host with a few anecdotes and really enables Patrick. It is a great dynamic and they bounce good chemistry and humour off each other. I am not sure that Chapin will fit that same role. Second, Chapin has, at times in the past, preferred to sound clever then useful. He has argued that counterspell is strictly better then mana leak, and also not, at different times, quibbling over the mana cost, or ignoring it, as the case may be. He is 100% capable of being insightful, fun, and great to listen to. And I hope that is what he brings to the show.
(he argued with Joey Pasco that mana leak was in some cases better then counterspell during an SCG broadcast, and with Mike Flores during their podcast that counterspell was strictly better, the mana thing wasn't important. It doesn't really matter specifics, its just a specific example of him wanting to be the most clever person in the conversation).
I just don't want to hear two Patrick's argue about whether a card is good design or not. It has a real chance of getting lost in the weeds instead of having some quips and moving on.
@@tyboar1926 is that getting caught in the weeds or just a podcast about magic the gathering? Chapin is probably the most badass magic player of all time, cant wait to hear his takes
@@tyboar1926 that seems like a nitpick but i think i could interpret that as him being very thoughtful about the game's design and play texture which i appreciate. i think it speaks better to evaluation to not actually be consistent on which one you think is better than to be entirely rigid on it
totally agree. i been wondering about that dude for awhile now hoping for new content and hearing hes coming out of the shadows to land here is awesome . good luck cedric lets see that geddon
In fairness, this being a pre-recorded and semi scripted show helps eliminate the unnecessary tangents in post. We will hear only the good stuff and not as much of what you are nervous of (I hope). Should be fun all the same🙌
Bye, Cedric! Good luck, you rock! Excited the Patricks are continuing the show, too
Congrats to Ced on moving to WotC, so many good memories of you two on coverage together and other projects over the years. Here's to the future and cool stuff to come on all sides
Here in Japan, whenever a new set is released, 1-2 guides to the set will be released in the nation's major book stores. MTG isn't as popular here, but there is sincere demand for publications delving into the set.
Developer "Charlie Keldono" is Charlie Catino. It was a running gag to intentionally misspell his name in the credits since it was misspelled in the set credits for Revised and Fourth Edition as Charlie Cateeno.
addendum: it was misspelled this way in the alpha rulebook
The end of an era!!
Academy Rector is one of my favorite cards
So as a personal anecdote counterpoint, I had the Blue Red deck as a kid and loved it. Yeah the other decks are better for explaining "here's an interesting mechanical theme" but when you're 9 years old, sometimes the only thing you need at a starter level is having an aggressive creature deck that turns things sideways. Deck made me fall in love with the block's basics as well as several of the individual cards in the deck, even if they're awful, just because they were fun for me to play with at a beginner level.
Loved the coverage of this block that was incredibly formative to me growing up on the whole. Best of luck to Cedric on the new role at Wizards!
“Sometimes the only thing you need at a starter level is having an aggressive creature deck that turns things sideways.”
So true. When learning magic nowadays, understanding combat is crucial and is the way that new players will interact with the game the most. All starter content should include aggro.
Love the shout-out, Cedric! Haha. Those were fun days.
All the best to you at WOTC.
RIP Ceddy P 😢
Aaawww I'm not on social media so this is the first time I'm hearing the news! I'm sad cause I love Cedric however I'm happy to hear the show is still going. Also happy to hear Cedric is going to be really involved in MTG. I have a feeling g this isn't the last time we see Cedric.
The banter at the end about what cards you wanna push through was great. Idea for the future: a post-mortem for things Cedric has worked on at WotC (to the extent he's allowed to, or when sufficient time has passed) that Patrick can critique/praise/dryly tear to shreds.
Thank you CED, best of luck in the future!
Happy New Years guys! Glad you haven't given up on this series as it's so daunting! We are in my first wave of nostalgia as this is the time when I first played MTG, so every end of episode showcase is a rush of nostalgia! Edit: Spoke too soon! It's been fun big guy! Thank you for helping birth this great series!
I want to say thank you to Cedric for being one of the best co-hosts in a fantastic podcast. I will miss his presence here but I'm excited to see what he does at WOTC
@2:05:30 great point about 'Fixed Necropotence'. 20+ years later, they STILL get themselves in trouble chasing narrow goals. No one needed a playable Lotus Vale. WotC insisted, and we're stuck with Lotus Field. No one asked for Scapeshift to have something to do in Standard for those last 2 months; being an availability reprint in M19 was enough. WotC insisted on that narrow goal, and we got Field of the Dead, banned in more places than Happy Fun Ball.
ugh, i'm choked up. Cedric my dude, I can't begin to explain how much I've appreciated your work on this series. This series has taken me back through a time of making meaningful friendships that I hold to this day. It's ignited my imagination about design and game play. It's been a companion to me in the hear and now when I've been sick. I've laughed so hard I've had to pause and my wife asked "what are you watching?!?". The absolute best of luck to you at WotC. I hope to see you as a special guest back here one day. Be well my dude.
Excited for Mercadian Masques. I got boxes of Masques for Christmas that year.
Wish I could have commented earlier guys! You two are the best pair on TH-cam. Keep up the good work! It brightens my day every time a new episode drops!
Not to mention, Plow Under was printed in a time that it shared a deck with Llanowar elves, priest of Titania, Birds of Paradise, and then Avalanche Riders, Stone Rain, and Rishadan Port...
So, it was pretty devastating in that build. Which was, in my opinion, one of the best Ponza decks ever.
It was, they had Dust Bowl too...
Yep, tho usually a 1-of. But still, great deck. Also finished with Blastoderms, Saproling Burst, and Phyrexian Processor... I loved this era of magic.
literally so excited for chapin to appear on the show! much luck to cedric
As someone who has sowing salted a tron land you're right, you'll never convince me it was wrong
I think if Reckless Abandon was called Live Munitions it'd be far more beloved
Big ups to Cedric on the new gig. Excited for what the future holds for the pod and looking forward to the Patricks chronicling the upcoming sets, lotta bangers coming up.
Lol love this block, gotta work on that scryfall advanced search my man lol
I'm excited for both of you and the Pups. We get to see Ced move on to something awesome and keep hearing from Patrick. Thank you both for all the content and the content yet to be made!
My favourite Illusions/Donate story was one match:
Game 1 - they play it T3 with mox, They have Donate in their hand (thanks to Intuition)
I play Winter Orb - and they lock themselves from the game.
Game 2 - sideboarded - They play T5 Illusions with Donate mana up, trigger on the stack, I play Erase. Two FoWs later - Erase resolves. KO.
Yes, I was playing my favourite deck ever - SuperGrow
So many fond memories of this one. The first, and only, set I ever fully collected. Didn’t know much about powerlevel back then, but the whole art direction just spoke to me. Good times at the kitchen table; use Elvish Piper to get out Thorn Elemental, next turn pump it with Might of Oaks and hit em in the dome for 14. Or get a Horseshoe Crab with Opposition and tap all of their stuff forever.
I don’t think I was at that PTQ but Flores has absolutely made me sacrifice my Masticore in a tournament at that time.
Thanks for bringing what you brought to this show, Cedric! Good luck at wotc. The audience will miss you!
I'm looking forward to the future of resleevables. I'm so glad Patrick decided to continue the show!
The "cycling from play" creatures get a lot more appealing when you remember that back then you could put damage on the stack. e.g. with Marker Beetles, you could put it in front of a 3/2 and have your bear block theirs, but instead of two trades OR you sac the beetles to draw, back then you could put damage on the stack, sac the beetles, draw a card, and save your bear with the pump. Then damage would resolve, they lose both of their creatures, you don't lose anything. It's a situation players nowadays would probably not run into, but when everybody was a lot worse at Magic, seeing lines like that made you a king
Rofellos's Gift are kind of an additional part of the Scent cycle and probably the most powerful and interesting cards with that mechanic from the set.
Rofellos's Gift is a common for some reason so I've tried so badly to make it pauper playable
Also shout outs to black high tide Bubbling Muck
Best show about MTG out there, and best duo period. Cedric will be missed but I am excited for the next era!
Congrats Ced, well deserved and wizards are lucky to have you. You'll be missed, but if anyone can fill the giant hole you leave, it's chapin. The future is looking up and i cant wait to see what's in store
Happy Trails Cedric, enjoy your new job!
thankyou for acknowledging our comments about the lore Cedric, I also want to acknowledge that it is too much work with little payoff
Actually Powder Keg has seem some increased legacy play (from the sideboard) again, love the card!
kidna sad theres no lore section
these guys arent lore guys, my personal feelings are that I am also sad there is no lore, but from watching the lore in the past Cedric had to do way too much research for very little pay off. Please be understanding of the level of research it takes
@@leroygardner8529 I feel like you could at least do a story summary without having to do a ton of extra research. You don’t have to include every single story beat; just acknowledge who the main characters are, where they are, and what they’re up to.
@@christopherlundgren1700 yeah that counts as a lore section and I am honestly proud of how you dodged my point completely, ever since youre a lazy person right and you have never achieved anything so you assume everything is easy, its not, its hard work, stay in your lane and apologise to Cedric
@@leroygardner8529 I didn’t “dodge” your point; I refuted it. In other words, I’m saying that I don’t agree that doing a little plot summary would be a lot of extra work for little payoff. This would be in contrast to many of the earlier episodes, like Homelands for instance, where it’s very understandable that Cedric might think the juice of going so in-depth wasn’t worth the squeeze. What I’m suggesting would take like 5 minutes to look up and I think a lot of viewers would appreciate it.
@@christopherlundgren1700 gotta love no hopers
Been listening since the pandemic episodes, thank you very much for getting me through my overnight shifts guys! Good luck Cedric i look forward to the stories one day on the pod!
they only started a year ago, whatchu on about?
@ they very much had episodes before this, they have consistently said this lol. They did a few sets during the pandemic that weren’t on TH-cam they were on Spotify and it was exactly the same as this but they were still working for SCG. If you listen they very much tell you they did this at the very end of this exact episode
@@nickswift6044 gotta love fake fans
I had no idea this was Cedric's last show. Wish you the best at your future endeavors The bar is going to be set super high chemistry wise, it's what made this show so great IMO.
Destiny is my favorite expansion. Opened two boxes the week it came out and the first set I completed. I regret selling my set, but am sure glad the foil Replenish was lost amongst baseball cards for twenty years. I think the art direction and card quality was at peak in this era.
Masticore story is peak Magic
Stoked to see Cedric's work at the mothership, and stoked to see Chapin joining!
Maro did a drive to work podcast on the topic of the one designer issue if I remember right it was a manpower issue everyone had other projects no one had time so Bill asked if he'd do it also charlie cantino is probably the new guy he misspelled his name differently on every set he worked an inside joke
Thank you for the show!
Can't wait for more Armageddons, two good ones just isn't enough nowadays. Godspeed, Cedric
Love the Cloudstone Curio story. As a dedicated Elves aficionado, Curio Elves is pretty much the most complicated combo version of Elves, even more complex than Combo Elves in Legacy. Kinda wish that sort of strategy was more common or viable in today's Modern or even Standard formats, but it seems like that's sort of a thing of the past. I kinda want to rebuild it just for fun
28:11 - somewhere Pat's parents' eyes just shot open in fury
When I started to play magic Thorn Elemental was THE card at my school. I stopped playing and came back when Squadron Hawk was dominant in Standard along JTMS etc.
Theses two cards make happy, because now I can evaluate cards better and see, one card was bad, the other was good. But on the other hand I'm really sad, that I can't replicate the "Oh wow! Thorn Elemental, best there is" experience.
Therefore I have both in my binder, next to each other.
Btw: love your Videos.
This was the first set I ever drafted! I was age 12 and I'm sure I did horribly but the idea of opening that many packs at once was pretty mind-blowing, especially with people pulling foils. Fun memories.
Verdant Touch + Eradicate was some nice play to show off in casual
Really enjoyed the shoutout to Yavimaya elder. Was my favorite card from the set as it just smoothed out the magic landscrew experience like no other card
The podcast is continuing??? Thank goodness, genuinely fabulous
I’m old enough to remember playing keldon champion in cube. Sick curve topper for mono red
Going to miss you man, thanks and good luck.
I played during that time, as soon your opponent misses something you call judge and they lose.
We all knew the rules, we all knew to be careful and there's no conversation. I've had it happen to me and there is no mercy in this dojo.
Sad to see Cedric leave, thnx for the content! Chapin is probably a good replacenent, always like bis sharp SCG commentary :)
Okay, that is the first one that you chose to miss on chronology, and you skipped 6th edition. Good thing really - I would do the same, but also very interesting from other perspective - UD is the first "expert" set under 6th edition, with the stack and damage on stack, and with one thing more - this is the moment when Morphling became so much better that it dominated
had replenish at the time and was even able to get all cards that could be foiled, foiled and the cards i couldn't was in simplify chinese. loved that deck so much.
an important part about Negator was that all these decks play Dark Ritual anyway so you got a good chance of slipping it in under a Counterspell.
Masticore propably isnt even broken in Standard if you didnt need to discard a card.
2:05:36 From another perspective, they had already made a fixed Necropotence -- in fact, before they had even made Necropotence -- namely Greed.
THE KINGS ARE BACK!!! HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!
Mogg War Marshall also has a leaves the battlefield trigger..
I think they were specifically talking about cards from Urza block lacking Echo ltb triggers. But yeah, Time Spiral block added a few Echo cards with ltb abilities, and one with an Echo cost of discarding a card, so they did try to update the mechanic in some ways later on.
Sorry, wrong name.. Goblin Marshall. They mentioned the 1 green creature that gives +1/+1 counters, but goblin marshall also has leaves the battlefield trigger.
@@nicholaslott4575 Oh yeah, they even showed it on screen a few times lol
Yeah they did, and forgot. Lol.
I used to play it in a deck with Recurring Nightmare. The ECHO triggers even if reanimated. So you could recurring nightmare back marshall, get 2 tokens. It would die on upkeep, 2 more tokens.
Then you can use a token for Recurring Nightmare, get 2 more, next upkeep... So on and so forth. It would spiral out of control pretty quick. And this was in a deck with hippies, hymns, sedge trolls, and other forms of B/R control from the era.. was a decent deck.
Dunno if any1 else hav ever called Pat + Ced the Dynamic Duo of SCG coverage but they forever will b G.O.A.T. team in my mind.
Heck, I might b down with watching them do anything together, even if it’s them jus staring at a blank wall… so long s they keep yappin to each other😬
Cedric, you will b missed in that seat but trust that you’ll do much good at WotC!
Patrick, pls keep truckin on for every1’s sake. Who knows, 1 day you might get to tag in Cedric again for another great one! That double-team finisher move (haven’t thought of any good name fer it yet) would b a show to die for.
I jammed the jasmine and nightshade seers to stall for vile requim to tick up, while behind an island santuary
I played during Urza's Block, but I didnt do many tournaments until RTR and I played a lot of Slaughter Games and I remember hitting a dudes Elspeth from Theros which was his wincon. I also hit a couple of his spells, Detention Sphere and Supreme Verdict. He popped Elixir of Immortality five times and made the game really long, but I finally beat him with Stormbreath Dragon and hit him for damage of his hand size. These cycles remind me of that lol.
You could also get Enduring Renewal and/or Goblin Bombardment with Academy Rector. 👌
First thing first, gonna miss Cedric a lot. I'm hyped for Chapin, but this duo is special. Best of luck on the new job!
And for as much as I like a good lore review, if we need to cut something to add the notable cards of the set, I think that is a good deal
Printed game guides still exist, but as far as I know they're usually marketed more as collector's items now, kind of blurring the lines between art books and traditional game guides.
Been enjoying your podcast version of this since they came out, and my favourite parts of those were your tournament anecdotes, memorable moments, plays, and people you played with and against at the time, as well as Patricks Upper Deck stories. Are those going to come back here at some point?
The only place I still see the guides is Pokémon ETBs (their version of bundles) comes with a guide to the set
@18:47 Was that a subtle AEW Will Osprey reference there?
When I played X-Wing Miniatures I loved denying people missed triggers. One time at a store championship an opponent pre-measured his attacks out of order, thereby skipping over all of his attacks. So then I unloaded on him point blank and the 3 time world champion of the game called me a waste of humanity on the forums.
I regret nothing.
You forgot Rofellos's Gift as the honorable member of the scent cycle!
Horshoe Crab+ Hermetic Study+ Sigil of Sleep
If you combine the cycling cards with the cycle from in play add up to sensible numbers for a cycle? It seems like it both could and should but it was hard to track as you were adding some on the fly.
Also I know Rosewater has talked about how he wished yavimaya Elder and company said cycling on them in some way because not enough people got that it was cycling from in play,
Rofelos seems even more dumb now with yavimaya, cradle of growth being created. Since its a cabal coffers/cabal stronghold that doesnt require mana to activate, it would make even more mana from your nonbasic lands also becoming forests
I miss the days in Modern when Michael Jacob was playing Mono Green Devotion, and Plow Under was so back-breaking in that deck. Good times...
The most powerful but questionable sideboarding I remember being amazing was out of a mono-red burn splashing blue deck I played in Legacy 2 Mans on MtGO.
I'd previously been playing Dredge and wanted graveyard hate worth mulliganing to, over graveyard hate that I could play on turn 3 and it would help a little. I wouldn't say Reanimator was splash damage per-say cause they signed up to deal with graveyard hate, especially post board and they were the other reason I had room for dedicated graveyard hate slots in my sideboard. But I got a turn zero concession from a Reanimator player that told me in chat he wasn't prepared for Leyline of the Void out of a deck that didn't have black mana sources.
Man, I'm not sure about the Lurking Jackals thing. I'm not saying it's good, but if you play creatures, beat the opponent down to ten, and then get Wrathed, it's a pretty good comeback creature, isn't it? It feels like it at least has a purpose.
Good luck Cedric!
Urza's block completed!!
Back in the day you would PICK UP YOUR OPPONENTS MASTICORE AND PUT IT IN THE GY. we were so toxic
Go crush it Cedrick!
Just a comment on the call out about the lack of pump spells - I think they really need the stack to get the juices flowing. We're still on batches, right? And so the timing of bolt versus giant growth doesn't make for an interesting decision point just yet. Thankfully 6th edition is next
Shouldn't Metalworker be listed as a part of the seer cycle though?
I was under the impression that Rancor was meant to cost 1G but somehow wound up losing the 1 at the printing press making it the powerhouse it wound up being. Was that faulty school yard lore I picked up decades ago?
Regarding the "masticore incident" story, thats true thats how magic was back then, i actually qualified for a nationals because my oponnent drew a card after he didnt pay for a pact of negation upkeep 😂
Yavimaya Elder was the best non-rare guys.
plow under was so gross. sure, the first one 'only' sets them back 2 draws and 2 lands but then they get back to where they were and you play the second plow under... truly backbreaking!
Regarding "would False Prophet be good in standard", Day of Judgment (Wrath of God without the "Can't be regenerated clause) was printed in Foundations and doesn't really see that much play. I assume the same would go for False Prophet, but maybe the 2/2 body and exile would make a difference.
Also the pay 2 sac is cycling from play that's the innovation
The last time I was this early, I was at the DMV.
I had an Acerak cEDH build that played Carnival of Souls and it would just drain the table when my commander cost B.
You can do the urza saga lore in the brothers war episode
Goodbye Cedric, you will always be a jackal pop
I’m gonna miss Cedric’s cool wrestling references
1:28:25 What????? Last episode?!?!
Very rarely do they print actual game strategy guides anymore. It's only for very select games. The last two games I can remember getting guides for were Cyberpunk 2077 and Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. Holding a strategy guide in your hands is way more satisfying than looking it up on the internet.
Futurepress puts out high quality guides for a few high profile games each year and every Fromsoft game, I would check them out
Thanks for the great show ced. Magically hope you fix wizards lol
such a cool set
Masticore is still decent in pre-modern